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---Logopened Wed Sep 01 00:00:03 2010
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00:02<zendeavor__>hardbop200: I don't know about that exactly, but It's not hard to get Deluge to do it, especially if you use Firefox/Iceweasel
00:04<techhelper1>i thought opera could do it
00:04<hardbop200>zendeavor__: thanks for the response! I'll check it out now...
00:04<techhelper1>since it has the bittorrent client built in
00:04<zendeavor__>techhelper1: I don't use Opera myself, but that would only make sense, really
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00:11<hardbop200>zendeavor__: deluge worked like a champ, thank you!
00:11<zendeavor__>figured it would, no problem
00:12<zendeavor__>have fun, you dirty rotten pirate scoundrel :P
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00:13<hardbop200>indeed ;)
00:14<zendeavor__>how 'bout that Diaspora then everyone?
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01:07<fireman112>anyone know how to use apt:// address in Debian Lenny? FF and opera does't work!
01:08<fireman112>i just know that it can be used to install software in Ubuntu when i use FF/opera
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01:11<fireman112>Anyone here? who can answer me ?
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01:17<cahoot>search for apt in about:config on your ubuntu?
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01:18<franki^>fireman112: I think you need to install aptlinex or something
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01:20<fireman112>ok. thanks frnki^, iwill try to install aptlinex!
01:23<fireman112>ok, it's just what i want! thank you franki^
01:23<fireman112>"This addon allows installing Debian packages from iceweasel, firefox, galeon or konqueror just clicking on a web link."
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01:35<prem>hi all.,am getting a strange problem after upgrading my system to squeeze.
01:35<prem>when am trying to run debmirror command it starts downlaoding very fast but struck in middle with a "Timeout error occured: at /usr/share/perl5/LWP/Protocol/ line 426. at /usr/share/perl5/LWP/ line 844." error
01:36<prem>this happens for both http and ftp connection
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01:54<vishnu>i am want to download old debian-user mailing list on a windows machine. how can i accomplish this ? Sylpheed has a windows version, how can i download using the Sylpheed client ?
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02:06<reklipz>is there anyway to lock the machine upon suspend, when invoked manually or otherwise, without enabling suspend on screensaver and ensuring the screensaver kicks in before the suspend timeout?
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02:09<reklipz>it looks like this is documented here,
02:09<reklipz>rather hard to find via google though
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03:39<q_a_z_steve>is there a release schedule for squeeze?
03:39<blarson>q_a_z_steve: when it's ready
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03:42<q_a_z_steve>hilarious. I'm comparing to say Ubuntu, which has LTS and regular releases scheduled for years out... as opposed to say gentoo or arch's rolling release
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06:01<ere>any one help i am getting following error "/opt/ /opt/ version `PRIVATE_1.1' not found (required by /opt/
06:01<ere>when install the software
06:01<lindi->ere: where did you get that software?
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06:02<ere>i dont know i tried make developmnet with oenoffice
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06:10<AndyJ>Can anyone point me to instructions for how to mount SDHC cards in debian?
06:11<AndyJ>I'm having no trouble with standard SD cards...
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06:11<AndyJ>But cannot read SDHC cards.
06:11<AndyJ>Nor can I mount my Samsung Captivate|Vibrant|Galaxy i9000 - but I'm guessing this is the same problem.
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06:12<Elessar>That would be a hardware problem. As far as I know, for the OS there is no difference between SD and SDHC, but for the drive, yes there is.
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06:13<AndyJ>same hardware problem affecting three different cards? i.e. two in the phone and one separate?
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06:14<AndyJ>I'm seeing the same error in each case: Unable to mount. No media in drive.
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06:15<AndyJ>Ordinary SD cards are mounting automatically.
06:16<AndyJ>The cards are recognised by the telephone...
06:17<Elessar>What does a telephone do in that topic?
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06:17<Elessar>This looks like you have a card reader that does not support SDHC.
06:17<AndyJ>The Telephone is the Samsung i9000, it contains two SDHC cards.
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06:17<AndyJ>I have purchased a new card reader which supports SDHC
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06:18<AndyJ>debian cannot mount the cards, either when they are in the telephone, or when they are in the card reader.
06:18<lindi->Elessar: I think there's a difference to the OS
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06:18<lindi->Elessar: since different u-boot versions support different cards...
06:18<lindi->Elessar: openmoko wiki has a large table
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06:19<Elessar>Well, I can put eaither an SD or an SDHC on my reader, I get a block device. Now, maybe Linux is doing some different abstraction in both cases, but from a user space, it is the same.
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06:20<lindi->Elessar: probably that only applies to readers that are connected via usb?
06:20<AndyJ>lindi-: please note, this card reader is connected via USB
06:20<AndyJ>The cards appear as devices, but cannot be mounted.
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06:22<lindi->AndyJ: please publish the output of sudo file -sL /dev/disk/by-id/*
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06:23<AndyJ>OK... I'm on a wrong track here perhaps... I've just tried a 16Gb SDHC, and that has been recognised!
06:23<lindi->AndyJ: sounds like you just lack a filesystem
06:24<lindi->AndyJ: yeah, you need to choose what filesystem you want on the card
06:24<AndyJ>The cards are being used on the phone, and have been formatted...
06:24<lindi->AndyJ: please run the above command so that we can be sure
06:24<AndyJ>Is it possible that they're formatted to a standard that debian doesn't recognise.
06:24<AndyJ>One sec. running.
06:25<AndyJ>can you remind me of the location of pastebin please?
06:26<Elessar>Err, maybe only paste.
06:26<Elessar>Yes, that is it: <>.
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06:29<lindi->AndyJ: '/dev/disk/by-id/usb-Generic_STORAGE_DEVICE_000000009744-0:2-part1: x86 boot sector' does not look like a valid fs to me
06:30<lindi->AndyJ: but try mount with "-t vfat"
06:30<lindi->AndyJ: and tell us the mount command you are using anyway
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06:32<AndyJ>The last part is difficult... I was relying on the automount under X... I'll see if I can tell which device is which, and get the device id...
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06:34<lindi->AndyJ: sudo mount -t vfat -o ro '/dev/disk/by-id/usb-Generic_STORAGE_DEVICE_000000009744-0:2-part1' /mnt
06:34<AndyJ>lindi-: That drive is the 16Gb SDHC card and it has automounted as VFAT
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06:35<lindi->AndyJ: which one is the other card then?
06:35<AndyJ>I'll unmount that one, and try one of the other cards again.
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06:37<AndyJ>Curiouser and curiouser... The 8 Gb card has now automounted correctly...
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06:38<AndyJ>The options that it has automounted with are rw nosuid nodev uid=1000 fmask=0022 dmask=0022 codepage=cp437 iocharset=utf8
06:39<AndyJ>I'm going to unmount that one and try the phone again...
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06:40<AndyJ>Output of the file command reads: /dev/disk/by-id/usb-SAMSUNG_GT-I9000_9000a2c55bfe-0:1: writable, no read permission
06:41<AndyJ>... usb-SAMSUNG_GT-I9000_Card_9000a2c55bfe-0:0: writable, no read permission
06:42<AndyJ>dmesg sees it as two scsi removable disks sdc and sdd
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06:48<AndyJ>lindi-: I'm trying to mount the Samsung phone, but I think I've malformed your suggested mount command...
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06:48<AndyJ>mount -t vfat -o ro '/dev/disk/by-id/usb-SAMSUNG_GT-I9000_9000a2c55bfe-0:1:'/mnt
06:49<lindi->AndyJ: you need a space before /mnt
06:49<lindi->AndyJ: and you have extra : there too
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06:49<AndyJ>mount: no medium found
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06:52<AndyJ>I'm trying this with the phone's USB set to "debug mode" at the moment, I'll try set the phone back to "Mass storage device" and try again...
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06:55<AndyJ>no joy.
06:56<AndyJ>I've seen references to this phone needing CONFIG_SCSI_MULTI_LUN activated in the kernel... but have found no way of checking or achieving this...
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06:57<lindi->AndyJ: grep MULTI_LUN /boot/config-$(uname -r)
06:58<AndyJ>It's activated :( CONFIG_SCSI_MULTI_LUN=y
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07:01<AndyJ>I've just had a look at /dev and can see two devices sdc and sdd... should I be able to look at them with fdisk -l ?
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07:03<lindi->AndyJ: if file can't read them, neither can fdisk
07:03<AndyJ>no good...
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07:03<AndyJ>I'm intrigued by the line: "writable but no read permission"
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07:06<AndyJ>Kill me now. I've just found this:
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07:07<AndyJ>The phone was asking for permission to mount, and it wasn't obvious...
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07:07<AndyJ>I now have /media/disk/dcim/camera open on the desktop.
07:08<AndyJ>My apologies lindi- for wasting your time.
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07:40<dandi8>Help! Debian is very slow on my laptop when doing graphical tasks (my gfx card is Intel 82852/855)
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07:48<TCW>dandi8, what graphical tasks?
07:48<TCW>what kind of?
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07:53<dandi8>all of them
07:53<dandi8>I think it doesn't do hardware acceleration for some reason
07:53<dandi8>was same with Ubuntu
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07:53<dandi8>then Mint
07:54<dandi8>now I installed the source
07:54<dandi8>being Debian
07:54<dandi8>AFAIK something's wrong with the Intel 82852/855 support
07:54<dandi8>in Ubuntu, whenever I moved the window, CPU Usage would go up to 100%
07:55<dandi8>here I dunno, as I haven't yet figure out how to get to the System Monitor
07:55<dandi8>but it's slow to even open menus
07:55<dandi8>it has a 2-3 second lagg
07:55<dandi8>although sometimes it's less
07:55<dandi8>but I still can't, for example, play Tux Racer
07:55<dandi8>it's too choppy
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07:55<dandi8>and my laptop did pretty well with games on WinXP
07:56<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
07:56<TCW>dandi8, what does glxinfo|grep direct return?
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07:57<dandi8>it returns command not found XD
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07:57<TCW>dandi8, then chances are you are missing a whole bunch of important packages as well :)
07:57<dandi8>I just updated
07:57<dandi8>update manager says it's up to date
07:58<dandi8>I also installed from a just-downloaded iso
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07:58<dandi8>which downloaded stuff off the net during install AFAIK
07:58<TCW>dandi8, that does not say anything about missing packages for (lets say) 3D stuff... but under normal circumstances a ootb lenny computer should have all the packages needed... but let's see
07:58<dandi8>I've heard there's been some sort of regression in Ubuntu since 9.04, perhaps it was also because of Debian itself
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07:59<dandi8>also, I just tried to sudo
07:59<TCW>dandi8, apart from intel developers messing with the gfx drivers... ther is no regression in debian :)
07:59<dandi8>it says I'm not in the sudoers file
07:59<dandi8>for whatever reason it won't let me sudo
07:59<TCW>dandi8, _wait_! Don't run commands just in the hope they may help!
07:59<dandi8>I don't
08:00<dandi8>I'm not too experienced with Linux
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08:00<dandi8>but I know my way around some stuff
08:00<TCW>sudo is not enabled in debian default (and I consider that a good thing)
08:00<dandi8>I consider that a bad thing :)
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08:00<dandi8>I can't apt-get stuff without it
08:00<TCW>dandi8, and you are wrong... at least the way ubuntu enables sudo is _bad_
08:00<dandi8>oh ok
08:00<TCW>dandi8, you have the root password?
08:01<dandi8>well, like I said, I'm a newb to Linux, although experienced with Windows
08:01<dandi8>I just installed the damn thing, sure I do :)
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08:01<TCW>dandi8, so open a terminal (konsole, gnome-terminal, xterm, aterm, whatever), type "su -" and enter, enter the password when asked
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08:02<TCW>dandi8, in that very terminal / console, you are root now, understood?
08:02<dandi8>it appears so
08:02<TCW>dandi8, so no need for sudo... so run "apt-get update; apt-get install mesa-utils"
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08:03<XayOn>14:01 < dandi8> done
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08:03<XayOn>14:01 < ashmael> hi
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08:03<ashmael>i'm trying for several days to make the opengl driver to work,
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08:03<dandi8>a couple of errors
08:03<TCW>dandi8, paste them to
08:03<ashmael>I use lenny and my video card is ATI 3400 HD
08:03<XayOn>Sorry, central click fail.
08:03<dandi8>E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
08:03<dandi8>E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
08:03<dandi8>E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
08:03<dandi8>E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
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08:04<ashmael>can anyone help me?
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08:04<dandi8>well that was a bad idea
08:04<TCW>ashmael, maybe... you need to be a bit mor specific
08:04<ashmael>i installed the fglrx diver
08:05<ashmael>i found some tutorials on th net, but it's worse!
08:05<TCW>dandi8, it was! No channel flooding (that means more than 2 lines) use for pasting
08:05<dandi8>will do
08:05<Elessar>ashmael: fglrx is a proprietary, poorly integrated driver. It requires manual configuration.
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08:06<ashmael>i used the steps on this link
08:06<Elessar>ashmael: And it requires a kernel module. And it is completely incompatible with any other driver.
08:06<TCW>ashmael, fglrx is a real pita imho, but it may be the only hope for now to get 3D / OpenGL with your card, as the free drivers in lenny *may* not support your card very good yet.
08:06<dandi8>update manager says there are new updates tho
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08:06<dandi8>among them, an intel driver from lenny7 to lenny8. Should I give it a go?
08:06<TCW>dandi8, is update manager / synaptic / package manager running right now?
08:06<dandi8>I just ran it
08:06<dandi8>I mean
08:07<TCW>dandi8, close it!
08:07<dandi8>it notified me that there are updates
08:07<TCW>dandi8, no graphical tools for now please, only console based tools (that way pasting is possible)
08:07<Elessar>ashmael: Can you paste your xorg.conf to <>?
08:07<dandi8>looks like I had another one on... closed it and trying again
08:08<dandi8>I think it's done
08:08<TCW>dandi8, you think? Make sure! So... paste
08:08<dandi8>I got control back
08:08<dandi8>so I'm pretty sure it's done
08:08<dandi8>no error messages or anything
08:09<dandi8>last message from it is setting up mesa utils
08:09<TCW>dandi8, pretty sure is crap :p so please paste the output of everything in that console
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08:10<ashmael>done it
08:10<TCW>ashmael, done what?
08:10<ashmael>paste the xorg.conf
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08:10<dandi8>looks done to me, although I'm accustomed to big flashy DONE! buttons
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08:10<TCW>ashmael, you see the url that dandi8 pasted?
08:11<TCW>dandi8, ok, it worked :) so now: glxinfi|grep direct
08:11<TCW>glxinfo even
08:11<ashmael> I used tis one
08:11<dandi8>"Unable to open display"
08:11<TCW>dandi8, in another opened terminal... not the "root one"
08:12<TCW>one with your normal user account
08:12<Elessar>ashmael: What error do you get, actually?
08:12<dandi8>direct rendering: yes
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08:12<TCW>dandi8, run (as user): glxgears
08:13<ashmael>Elessar: it doesn't recognize my opengl, or direct 3D
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08:13<dandi8>woot... they're actually rotating! And not stuttering!
08:13<ashmael>and my resolution sux big time
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08:13<dandi8>200+ FPS
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08:13<Elessar>ashmael: What do you mean by “it doesn't recognize my opengl, or direct 3D”?
08:14<TCW>dandi8, what CPU is in that machine?
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08:14<dandi8>Intel Celeron 2.5GHz
08:14<TCW>dandi8, laptop?
08:14<dandi8>I thought I said it was a laptop at the beginning o.O
08:14<ashmael>first my screen is stuck on 1080 x 800 and my optimal display is 1280x1080
08:14<dandi8>oh well
08:15<dandi8>It's a Toshiba Satelite A10 if that helps
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08:15<ashmael>i barely distinguish what are u writing
08:15<TCW>dandi8, for starters... the performance will not be like a rocket... it is fairly old hardware... but in principle 3D should work
08:15<TCW>dandi8, funny.. I have the very same machine here in a shelf :)
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08:16<ashmael>my counter strike lags.... unplayable, warcraft .. the same
08:16<Elessar>ashmael: It seems that the driver is used correctly, or you would not have any display at all, but an error at X.Org startup. Then, it can only be a problem in the driver itself.
08:16<dandi8>Hey, don't go dissing my Toshiba! It runs many games perfectly
08:16<TCW>dandi8, I diss it as I wish, as I onw that machine too! :p
08:16<dandi8>I just recently ran Soul Reaver 2 or 3 (can't remember) on it
08:16<ashmael>and I may say that i'm a little addicted to this 2
08:17<dandi8>and most of all, Tux Racer should work everywhere
08:17<dandi8>and I can't even get it to a playable state here
08:17<ashmael>and my sistem is a dell studio 1535
08:17<dandi8>so something's definetely wrong
08:17<TCW>dandi8, I did only test compiz on my A10 for testing 3D performance
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08:17<dandi8>Compiz on Fedora crashed on me :-/
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08:18<TCW>dandi8, it runs on lenny very well here
08:18<dandi8>And performance here is A LOT worse than with XP
08:18<Elessar>ashmael: Do you have the fglrx kernel module loaded?
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08:18<Elessar>ashmael: lsmod | grep fglrx
08:18<dandi8>are you sure your A10 is a Satelite?
08:18<TCW>dandi8, no idea about gaming, but would you mind installing compiz?
08:18<dandi8>Because there's also Tecra which seems to be having better results with Debian-base systems
08:19<dandi8>not at all
08:19<dandi8>just tell me how
08:19<TCW>dandi8, if you want I can power it up
08:19<ashmael>I think yes
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08:19<ashmael>i modify the etc/module file to auto load it
08:19<dandi8>all I know is so far the performance is far worse than XP, and I want it to be better :)
08:19<Elessar>ashmael: Please check it with lsmod.
08:20<ashmael>done it
08:20<ashmael>fglrx 1939228 29
08:20<TCW>dandi8, the box is booting... let me see what compit related packages are installed there
08:20<dandi8>and I hope it can be fixed fast (one can wish, huh?) as I'll probably be dragged off to the vet to help with the cat XD
08:20<Elessar>ashmael: Okay, and what does glxinfo give?
08:20<ashmael>agpgart 28808 2 fglrx,intel_agp
08:20<ashmael>the last 2 lines i wrote
08:20<dandi8>what are we trying to achieve with Compiz, anyway?
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08:21<TCW>dandi8, to see if 3D is working in principle
08:21<dandi8>oh, ok
08:21<dandi8>doesn't Tux Racer prove that, tho?
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08:21<TCW>dandi8, as I do have the same box here... it is perfect for comparasion
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08:22<TCW>dandi8, I don't use tuxracer...
08:22<dandi8>it runs everywhere
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08:22<dandi8>it's like the most basic game ever
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08:22<dandi8>And I ran it on WinXp no problem :)
08:22<ashmael>and hen i go System>preferences>3d acceleration i get an error that no drirect-rendering devices detected
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08:23<TCW>dandi8, oops, apparently I was wrong: "Product Name: Satellite Pro A40"
08:23<dandi8>thought so
08:23<dandi8>still, I'm sure Compiz would either crash or run slow as heck
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08:23<TCW>dandi8, lspci |grep -i vga please
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08:23<ashmael>and by all means this was a top video card when i bought the laptop, an is a dedicated video card
08:23<Elessar>ashmael: glxinfo
08:24<dandi8>00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics Device (rev 01)
08:24<ashmael>command not found
08:24<TCW>00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics Device (rev 02) <- dandi8, more or less the same here
08:24<Elessar>ashmael: Then install mesa-utils.
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08:24<ashmael>Elessar: command not found
08:24<dandi8>ah, the one revision...
08:24<Elessar>ashmael: aptitude install mesa-utils, as root.
08:25<TCW>dandi8, lspci|grep IDE
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08:25<ashmael>i know thAT
08:25<ashmael>DONE IT
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08:25<dandi8>00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801DBM (ICH4-M) IDE Controller (rev 03)
08:26<ashmael>and i'll paste the outcome of glxinfo
08:26<ashmael>it's big
08:26<TCW>00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801DBM (ICH4-M) IDE Controller (rev 03) <- I guess the internales may be more or less the same
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08:26<Elessar>ashmael: <>, not here.
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08:28<Elessar>ashmael: Well, that means that your driver is correctly installed and works as it should. So if there is a problem, it is due to the driver itself.
08:28<dandi8>so, umm... what now?
08:28<Elessar>ashmael: Your installation is perfect, now you can only complain to ATI.
08:28<ashmael>dam it ....
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08:29<ashmael>ok brb, i'll restart my system
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08:30<TCW>dandi8, yes?
08:30<dandi8>what do I do now? :(
08:31<dandi8>everything seems to be in check and yet it's so slooooow
08:31<TCW>dandi8, I am not sure...
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08:31<dandi8>it's as if those installed drivers didn't really work
08:31<TCW>dandi8, as somehow I don't expect to run games (not even tuxracer) on such hardware...
08:31<dandi8>then you're making a big mistake
08:31<dandi8>I ran A LOT of games on that hardware
08:31<dandi8>and don't plan to stop now
08:32<dandi8>I just hope it doesn't mean having to reinstall WinXP
08:32<dandi8>which did A LOT better than Debian or Debian based alternatives :-/
08:32<TCW>dandi8, ok... let me install tuxracer and see how it performs here
08:32<dandi8>I get what I would think is about 5 frames per second
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08:34<TCW>dandi8, the packges name was extremetuxracer?
08:34<ashmael>anyone got some ideas?
08:34<dandi8>something like that, yes
08:35<TCW>dandi8, something like that is crap! :p dpkg -l extremetuxracer
08:35<dandi8>what do you mean?
08:35<ashmael>the problem itself is that when i first installed deb, the resolution was 1280x1080
08:35<TCW>dandi8, run "dpkg -l extremetuxracer" and paste the output
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08:36<ashmael>and now with the 1080x800 i barely see the text
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08:37<m013>i live in spain
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08:37<themel>can anyone tell me how to use libc6-dbg or what it is actually supposed to do? i can't seem to find any documentation.
08:37<Elessar>ashmael: This is because the proprietary driver from ATI sucks, I would say. The free driver worked better, in terms of resolution detection.
08:37<TCW>dandi8, ok... so it is that package... let me install it
08:38<Elessar>ashmael: It may be solvable by tuning the xorg.conf, though.
08:38<ashmael>Elessar: can u help me please?
08:39<ashmael>Elessar: on what and how to modify in it ...
08:40<m013>None of here speak Spanish? xD
08:40<Elessar>ashmael: Not really. I am used to the quality free drivers, that do not require any configuration.
08:40<TCW>dandi8, run etracer in a user console
08:40<Elessar>m013: I do, but you will find more on #debian-es, I think.
08:41<ashmael>Elessar: anyway, thanx a lot for ur time!
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08:41<Elessar>ashmael: Good luck.
08:41<dandi8>that's Tux Racer o.O
08:41<dandi8>and it laggs
08:41<dandi8>as I checked
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08:42<dandi8>even the sound laggs
08:42<Elessar>ashmael: These proprietary drivers are bad. Often better performance than free ones, but in terms of integration, quality and stability, they just suck. And I do not even know if they have any kind of public bug tracker.
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08:44<TCW>dandi8, runs here... but slow fps (maybe around 8 or so)
08:44<dandi8>yeah well, then it seems your laptop also has the same problem
08:44<dandi8>and you're not even aware of it :-/
08:44<m013>well, I'm having server if I find any Spanish but I do not think lol, because English is not enough, the main thing to defend something hahaha.
08:45<dandi8>I think I might just go back to WinXP, with its 20 times better performance... at least on this laptop
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08:45<TCW>dandi8, the the intel linux drivers in lenny may just suck more than I expected
08:45<dandi8>every single Linux distro I try has that problem
08:45<dandi8>granted, I mainly tried the Debian based ones
08:45<dandi8>but Fedora wasn't too fast either
08:45<dandi8>I don't know what to do :(
08:46<TCW>dandi8, there is no sense in testing so many distros when they all use the same driver
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08:46<dandi8>I figured
08:46<ashmael>Elessar: i've dl now a driver from their page ... i'll try that, maybe ... maybe it will work with it
08:46<dandi8>but I found out Mint is based on Ubuntu when I already had it on disc
08:46<dandi8>Ubuntu was my first choice
08:46<dandi8>after that I tried Fedora
08:46<dandi8>and now I got Debian
08:46<dandi8>I'm running out of newb-friendly distros
08:47<TCW>dandi8, btw. glxgears gives me 420fps.... but remember, glxgears is NOT a performnce tool it is just there to give a rough estimation if 3D works
08:47<dandi8>I think I might give slackware a chance
08:47<dandi8>but I'm not sure if I even should
08:47<dandi8>what do I do?
08:47<TCW>dandi8, slackware and new-user-friendlier than debian / ubuntu?
08:48<dandi8>o.O What do you mean?
08:48<rpetre>dandi8: unless you have very strong reasons to use it, i'd advise against it
08:48<TCW>14:46:57 <dandi8> I'm running out of newb-friendly distros <-
08:48<dandi8>I don't know the first thing about SLackware, I just heard it's not that hard
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08:48<dandi8>what other distro would you reccommend that could have working intel drivers?
08:49<TCW>dandi8, _none_ to make it short
08:49<Elessar>ashmael: Maybe it will work, but what is sure is that it *will* break your system to a point it will be difficult to switch back.
08:49<TCW>dandi8, and they do work, just not very good
08:49<dandi8>then what do I do?
08:49<dandi8>go back to WinXP?
08:49<TCW>dandi8, wait until the drivers get better I suppose?
08:49<MAPBuH>dandi8: are we talking about chipset or graphics driver ?
08:49<dandi8>how long?
08:49<TCW>dandi8, how should I know?
08:49<dandi8>Intel 82852/855
08:50<Elessar>ashmael: The original ATI driver replaces files of the X.Org server, overwriting the ones put by the package manager.
08:50<dandi8>I dunno if it's a chipset or driver problen
08:50<TCW>marpin generell gfx chip
08:50<dandi8>I guess driver
08:50<TCW>MAPBuH, even
08:50<Elessar>ashmael: So installing it will break your install, and it will be hard to switch back to any other driver without reinstalling completely the X server.
08:50<dandi8>so I'm stuck with no working OS on the laptop -_-
08:51<TCW>dandi8, if you mean for gaming... you may be right
08:51<dandi8>and I don't even know what to do
08:51<dandi8>I guess I'll have to try to reinstall WinXP :-/
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08:51<TCW>but then again... to choose GNU/Linux for the sole purpose of a gaming platform... strange decision
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08:51<dandi8>I didn't choose it for the sole purpose of a gaming platform
08:51<ashmael>Elessar: if it breaks it, it breaks! better try than moan all day
08:52<dandi8>but I like to game from time to time
08:52<dandi8>and the OS itself is slow right now
08:52<Elessar>ashmael: Then, good luck.
08:52<TCW>dandi8, me too... ever heard of dual booting?
08:52<dandi8>I can't even turn on eye candy
08:52<ashmael>done it .. now the restart :))
08:52<dandi8>I was hoping to get rid of WinXP
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08:52<TCW>dandi8, as said... eye-candy (as in compiz) should work good enough
08:52<dandi8>and it kind of beats the purpose
08:52<ashmael>all of u keep ur fingers crossed !
08:53<dandi8>it won't if even the menus take long to load
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08:53<Elessar>dandi8: I suspect that your problem is not related to the graphic card or driver, if everything is slow.
08:54<dandi8>everything is slow in LINUX
08:54<Elessar>dandi8: You may be out of memory and swapping, or having a hard disk that is dying.
08:54<dandi8>everything is nice and relatively fast in WinXP
08:54<dandi8>I just played some games on this laptop two days ago
08:54<dandi8>was pretty fine
08:54<dandi8>ofc, it was all on WinXP
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08:55<dandi8>is it possible to install windows drivers on Linux? Probably not, but worth asking
08:55<Elessar>dandi8: I would suggest that you try Windows XP again with a live CD, but such a thing does not exist. :-)
08:55<TCW>dandi8, things change... so even hardware may die from one moment to the other
08:55<MAPBuH>dandi8: only for WiFi AFAIK
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08:55<dandi8>and I assure you
08:55<dandi8>it's NOT my laptop
08:55<TCW>dandi8, but we are just guessing here...
08:55<dandi8>even your laptop can't handle Linu
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08:55<dandi8>TCW has a similar laptop
08:55<Elessar>I have many computers running Debian very fine.
08:56<dandi8>and it too has problems running 3D stuff
08:56<TCW>dandi8, wrong... I have several laptops and all run Debian like a charme...
08:56<MAPBuH>same here :)
08:56<dandi8>I meant the Toshiba one...
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08:56<dandi8>Toshiba A10
08:56<Elessar>dandi8: What is slow? 3D? Or everything?
08:56<dandi8>anything graphic-related pretty much
08:56<dandi8>opening menus
08:56<dandi8>playing games
08:56<TCW>dandi8, I said compiz runs well enough and I don't expect to to be a rocket when it comes to gaming... big difference!
08:56<dandi8>graphic software
08:56<dandi8>you CAN'T EVEN RUN TUX RACER dude
08:56<Elessar>Opening menus is not heavy at all to the graphic system.
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08:57<dandi8>that's like the most basic game ever
08:57<deavid>i'm having some problems using brasero to burn a DVD-video disc, but i don't know where i can ask.
08:57<Elessar>dandi8: Tux Racer is a 3D Stuff. Do you have problems with 2D stuff?
08:57<dandi8>as I said
08:57<Elessar>dandi8: Or even with console-based things?
08:57<dandi8>the OS is slow all-round
08:57<TCW>dandi8, it is not the most basic game... it uses OpenGL
08:57<dandi8>console-based it's fine
08:57<dandi8>still, TCW
08:57<dandi8>I could play it on much older hardware
08:57<dandi8>I could play it on WInXP
08:57<dandi8>I could play A LOT MORE resource-expensive games on WinXP
08:57<Elessar>I could. Can it still?
08:58<dandi8>and WinXP was ten times faster than this
08:58<Elessar>Was. Is it still?
08:58<dandi8>yes, IT IS
08:58<Elessar>So you have Windows XP installed?
08:58<dandi8>I had a performance drop when I first installed Ubuntu in place of WinXP
08:58<dandi8>in the same day, in the same hour
08:58<dandi8>and I just cleaned this laptop from the inside a couple of days ago
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08:58<dandi8>replaced thermal paste
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08:59<TCW>dandi8, as said... desktop performace in 2D/3D is here ok, no reason to complain for me. ANd I am a admin, I see lots of WIndows workstations, so I may notice the difference
08:59<dandi8>cleaned the heatsink
08:59<dandi8>then tested on WInXP
08:59<dandi8>you're saying that a decent laptop that can't run Tux Racer(!!) is ok 2D/3D performance...
08:59<TCW>anyway... bbl
08:59<dandi8>I pity you :-/
08:59<dandi8>that laptop of yours could do a lot more on WinXP
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09:00<dandi8>simply because Intel drivers are most likely crap for Linux
09:00<Elessar>No, they are not.
09:00<dandi8>then why won't they work for me?
09:00<TCW>dandi8, this A40 laptop with intel gfx hardware CAN run tuxracer, it is just not that fast and not enjoyable (which isn't tuxracer in general imho)
09:00<Elessar>All my computers have Intel graphic cards, and they work like a charm.
09:00<dandi8>my laptop
09:00<dandi8>which is worse than yours
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09:00<dandi8>can run TuxRacer
09:00<dandi8>with a GREAT framerate
09:00<dandi8>as in 30+
09:01<dandi8>I'd actually say as far as 60+
09:01<dandi8>you're neglecting a problem
09:01<TCW>that's why I guessed the linux drivers in lenny may just be crap... when it comes to 3D performnce
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09:01<TCW>anyway, I am gone... bbl
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09:01<dandi8>if the 3D performance is crap, you can't say it's "ok"
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09:02<dandi8>it's neglecting a problem
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09:02<dandi8>anyways, I see I don't have much choice but to either try other non-debian distros or go back to WinXP
09:02<Elessar>Or try Debian testing.
09:02<dandi8>Debian testing?
09:03<Elessar>This is the future version of Debian, still in test.
09:03<Elessar>It is usable, just not yet officially released.
09:03<dandi8>even Ubuntu Maverick couldn't handle it
09:03<dandi8>same with Mint 9
09:03<Elessar>I suggest that you try a Debian testing live-CD.
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09:03<dandi8>I might
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09:04<dandi8>but I don't think it'll work, sadly
09:04<dandi8>oh well
09:04<dandi8>I'm off to burn me another distro CD
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09:04<dandi8>thx for the link
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09:04<Elessar>You can use an USB key, too.
09:04<Elessar>Too late.
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09:16<ashmael>Kelessar: done it ... it stuck a first but with a aticonfig --install -f i was trough!
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09:16<ashmael>Kelessar: at least my resolution is good now!
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09:21<ashmael>Elessar: done it ... it stuck a first but with a aticonfig --install -f i was trough!
09:21<ashmael>Elessar: at least my resolution is good now!
09:21<Elessar>ashmael: I have read. Good. Any problem left?
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09:22<ashmael>some ... no direct 3d
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09:22<Elessar>What do you mean?
09:22<ashmael>can't get in cs
09:22<ashmael>and the DIR still fails
09:22<Elessar>Try glxgears and see what frame rate you get.
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09:23<chaos>how do i find out which debian package has the php statistics libraries?
09:24<ashmael>something like that
09:24<chaos>apt-cache search php |grep -i stat didn't work :)
09:24<Elessar>chaos: If that library is call PHP statistics, then, if packaged, it wuold be called php-statistics.
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09:24<themill>chaos: what php statistics libraries do you mean?
09:24<Elessar>ashmael: Your direct rendering works perfectly, then.
09:25<chaos-ir1si>elessar / themill: which ever has this function :)
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09:25<Elessar>chaos-ir1si: It does not seem to be packaged.
09:26<ashmael>seams so ...
09:26<chaos>thanks :(
09:26<themill>chaos: that looks like a pecl extension that isn't packaged at all. You should be able to install it using pecl from the php-pear package.
09:27<Elessar>ashmael: CS is a Windows game, right?
09:27<ashmael>Elessar: yes ..
09:27<ashmael>Elessar: but I run it on linux before
09:27<Elessar>ashmael: Be sure to make it use OpenGL rather than DirectX, if possible.
09:28<Elessar>ashmael: There is no DirectX under GNU/Linux, only an on-the-fly translation to OpenGL that slows things downs.
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09:33<ashmael>Elessar: ok, Thanx
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10:34<locklace>!lart tri
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10:38<themill>tri: perhaps you want #ubuntu-id on
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10:47<ben_>Is there any way I can make a mount point unwritable when nothing is mounted there? I have a program that writes to my USB drive at /mnt/usb1, but when I unmount the drive I want the program to throw an error. Instead it writes to the folder /mnt/usb1.
10:49<weasel>why is your /mnt/usb1 writable by your user?
10:50<ben_>The program is run as root from a startup script
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10:51<ben_>It is in a bash script in /etc/init.d. It needs root privileges to use some of its commands
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10:52<blarson>ben_: you could make it immutable, but I don't know if you can mount on an immutable directory.
10:53<blarson>If you know the name of the file it will write, an empty immutable file should cause no problem.
10:54<ben_>Ok, I'll try that. I'm not familiar with immutable files; how would I create one?
10:55<blarson>ben_: chattr
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11:06<Zathraz>Hi. I have a Perl CGI script which starts with: #!/usr/bin/perl -w -I /var/www/app/perlpath
11:06<Zathraz>however the perl-path set with -I seems to get ignored
11:08<cthuluh>you'd better ask in #perl
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11:09<Zathraz>or in httpd, but as it could be a Debian config quirk I also wanted to drop it here
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11:23<M_Looking>hi all
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12:08<amphi>minotaur: what about it?
12:08<minotaur>sorry I want to join into
12:08<minotaur>but I don't know how to ^^
12:08<amphi>/connect should do it
12:09<ichdasich>minotaur: /connect irc.freenode.norg
12:09<ichdasich>minotaur: /connect
12:09<minotaur>thank u all
12:09<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See
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12:10<minotaur>I have run that, now am I in
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12:10<amphi>minotaur: what client are you using?
12:11<amphi>minotaur: you are still talking in #debian on oftc
12:12<amphi>minotaur: I don't know how you select a connected server in xchat; you need to select freenode, and then join whatever channels you want
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12:13<minotaur>amphi, Thank u, I have joined gentoo^^
12:13<amphi>how distressing
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12:28<Devlin[TWL]>hey guys
12:28<Devlin[TWL]>my phone internet connection might die and I might lose shell so sorry if I just stop replying
12:29<Devlin[TWL]>but i'm having a problem
12:29<Devlin[TWL]>in when I log into my laptop via gdm, power manager goes nuts and it goes into an endless sleep/wake cycle
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12:30<Devlin[TWL]>If I go into another terminal (via ctrl-alt-f1/f2) it works fine
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12:31<Devlin[TWL]>but when i go into my graphical session I get stuck and have to turn off the laptop
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12:37<retrospectacus>Devlin[TWL]: you should probably reconfigure or remove the power management features from the tty
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12:48<Devlin[TWL]>retrospectacus can i just stop the services?
12:48<Devlin[TWL]>sorry phone touch keyboard sucks
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12:51<retrospectacus>Devlin, maybe. I'm not on a laptop so not sure. Check the output of "ps fax" for a process to kill, or /etc/init.d/power-something stop
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12:52<retrospectacus>You can also join this irc from the laptop, if you have 'net
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12:52<Devlin[TWL]>okidoke. is it safe to stop acpid?
12:53<retrospectacus>hmm don't think so
12:53<@Ganneff>yes it is
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12:53<Devlin[TWL]>i can't use my laptop atm or i would be on it
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12:53<retrospectacus>ok, it is safe
12:54<Devlin[TWL]>i will turn off gnome's thing
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12:54<Devlin[TWL]>then kill acpid if that doesn't work
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12:58<retrospectacus>Devlin: hop back in here with irssi from tty2 if it doesn't work
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12:59<Devlin[TWL]>yeah ok
12:59<Devlin[TWL]>it might be a lil' while though
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13:03<retrospectacus>someone will be here :)
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13:06<PovAddict>the saa7134 kernel module doesn't autodetect my video capture card
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13:06<PovAddict>I have to run "rmmod saa7134; modprobe saa7134 card=107" after every boot
13:07<@Ganneff>set the modprobe options in the config
13:07<PovAddict>is there any config file that would make it load with the proper parameter automatically?
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14:18<Derric>I installed runit and my printer stopped working
14:18<Derric>It seems runit fails to start cups
14:19<Derric>When I start cups manually, the printer still fails to work.
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14:22<Juanma>zoy mezzi
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14:22<jordanm>Derric: "runit" or "runit-run"?
14:23<Juanma>ezke nadie me va a contezraz
14:23<Juanma>mierda o mierdun???
14:23<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat
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14:24<Juanma>wachu ler??
14:24<Juanma>que me veintis
14:24<Elessar>Hey, this is an english-speaking channel.
14:24<Juanma>abla ya
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14:25<Juanma>elessar yo no entender a ti yo no inges yo ablo español
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14:25<jordanm>!tell Juanma about es
14:26<Elessar>Juanma: Si esto es castellano, yo soy la reina de Inglaterra.
14:26<Juanma>que me estas kontando morraya???
14:27<Elessar>*k*ontando. What is that horribly modified spanish?
14:27<Juanma>mira tu idioma no lo entiendo o me ablas español o no me ablas
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14:28<Elessar>Pero de toda manera, aquí se habla inglés. Para hablar de Debian en castellano → #debian-es.
14:28<Derric> jordanm: I would like to go back to sysvinit. I think runit-run is a part of the runit system.
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14:29<jordanm>Derric: runit includes the sysv replacement. the runit-run package is what actually does the replacing of sysvinit. Two days ago, it was declared not suitable for release because it breaks systems
14:30<Elessar>Juanma: Aquí no tendrás ninguna discusión en castellano, sino que te dirán de ir sobre #debian-es.
14:30<Juanma>en ingles????
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14:31<Elessar>Juanma: Aquí, si, se halba inglés. Bueno, basta ya, para hablar castellano, no es el buen canal.
14:32<Elessar>Y no sé que idioma hablas, pero en castellano “ablar” no es nada, si escribe “hablar”.
14:32<Derric>Welp, yeah. Although my system mostly works. The I have to shut down as supervisor, which is OK
14:32<jordanm>Derric: what version of debian?
14:32<Juanma>what you are??
14:32<Derric>And other than that, my printer is out of commision, and it fails to mount USB drives.
14:33<Derric>I think I'm using lenny
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14:33<Derric>with a custom kernel
14:33<Juanma>what no entendre
14:33<jordanm>Derric: well, I believe instructions for proceeding with runit-run is in /usr/share/doc/runit-run/README.Debian
14:34<jordanm>Derric: your best bet on removing it may be to restore a backup
14:34<Juanma>what no understand
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14:35<Derric>Proceeding? How about removing?
14:35<jordanm>Derric: if it is not also documented in that file, restore from backup
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14:35<Juanma>Escribe texto o la dirección de un sitio web o traduce un documento.
14:35<Juanma>traducción del español al inglés
14:35<Juanma>talk and
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14:38<Derric>I know better, no backup.
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14:39<jordanm>Derric: the debian-user mailing list is also an option
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14:39<Juanma>i am shon
14:39<dpkg>Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
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14:40<Derric>If I can make it work that would be good too.
14:40<Derric>It seems I've limited myself to that option
14:40<Juanma>what no you are bike
14:40<Derric>If I want to keep things easy...
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14:41<Derric>I'll go do some reading.
14:41<jordanm>Derric: replacing init was not exactly the "easy" route :)
14:41<Juanma>run what shadow
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14:41<jordanm>!ops Juanma needs help finding the spanish channel
14:41<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: jordanm complains about: Juanma needs help finding the spanish channel
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14:42<Juanma>bery goods cenkiu
14:42<Derric>The whole thing was just to get a faster boot.
14:42<Juanma>si si mucho mucho
14:42<Derric>The boot was already just 30 seconds.
14:42<Juanma>mucho ingles pero poco español
14:43<Juanma>si 30 seconds si ya
14:43<Derric>Skipping the ramdisk shaved off about 3-5 seconds, that's why the custom kernel.
14:43<jordanm>Derric: 30 secs sounds very reasonable to me
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14:43<Derric>Runit ended up being about the same speed as sysvinit.
14:44<Juanma>yo no entiendo na
14:44<Derric>Yeah right, good enough is good enough. Should have just left alone there.
14:44<ant>Anyone know how to install a maverick vserver on a debian box? upstart is causing it to fail
14:44<Juanma>yo soy español no idiota
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14:44<jordanm>Ganneff: thanks
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14:54<ram0>Hello, is there a switch to available package managers to 'just download' packages with broken dependencies?
14:55<ram0>..or should one rather ftp them?
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15:01<mju>ram0: aptitude download seems to do the job.
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15:06<ram0>mju: appreciate..
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15:06<hotwings>getting an initramfs issue regarding a kernel that isnt even installed.. anyone know how to fix this?
15:07<jordanm>hotwings: why isn't a kernel installed? is it a chroot or vserver?
15:07<jordanm>hotwings: what does uname -r say?
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15:09<hotwings>i have 3 kernels installed, all custom;,,
15:09<jens>I'm installing debian 5.0.5 on a sun fire V890
15:09<jordanm>hotwings: what does uname -r say, and did you use kernel-package for those custom kernels?
15:09<hotwings>thats it. i assume that old kernel was the one that was installed when the system was installed but that has long since been purged
15:09<jordanm>jens: is that SPARC?
15:09<jens>after boot I get console handover: boot [earlyprom0] -> real [tty0]
15:10<jens>but there is nothing connected to tty0, in fact, I don't even know what tty0 is
15:10<jens>I have a serial console attached to it, and an rsc console
15:10<themill>hotwings: initramfs stuff seems to think that an old etch kernel is still installed and there are presumably files left around from that.
15:10<jens>this is my boot log:
15:11<jens>i have no way of getting into the machine
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15:11<jens>i don't get a tty on the serial console, neither at the rcs console
15:11<dpkg>[sparc] the CPU architecture used in Sun's proprietary hardware. Non-embedded systems usually run Solaris. For more information about SPARC, see and . To install Debian, ask me about <install guide> and see . For help with Debian on SPARC, join #debian-sparc on
15:11<jordanm>jens: I think you will have better luck on the sparc specific channel
15:12<jens>ok; thx :)
15:12<hotwings>themill - is there some kind of config file for initramfs or something? not sure why any remains would be left after a dpkg -P on that kernel
15:12<themill>hotwings: there's some amount of state information kept in /var/lib/initramfs-tools
15:12<jordanm>hotwings: there is initramfs.conf, but I am not sure it is used by update-initramfs
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15:14<hotwings>ok, will start looking there.. thanks fellas
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15:15<themill>hotwings: it appears to use that directory and the initramfs images that you have in /boot as a guide for what it should update
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15:15<hotwings>found two things: /boot/initrd.img-2.6.18-6-486 and /var/lib/initramfs-tools/2.6.18-6-486... deleted both and now update-initramfs works without that error
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15:15<hotwings>i dont even use initrd's anyways
15:15<hotwings>thanks for the help
15:16<jordanm>why bother generating them?
15:17<hotwings>i didnt generate that, just noticed it during a package update just now and wanted to fix it
15:17<hotwings>when i update-initramfs, it was just to see if the error was fixed
15:17<jens>could anyone just tell me how I can change the console handover console?
15:17<jens>it says console handover: boot [earlyprom0] -> real [tty0]
15:17<jens>and i just want it to handover to ttya or ttyS0
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15:19<Nemoder>jens: isn't all that setup in inittab?
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15:21<jens>Nemoder: it doesn't say anything about a handover
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15:24<jens>or how can I set console=ttyS0 as a kernel argument?
15:25<jens>is this in lilo.conf?
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15:51<mario>Hi all, I read contradictory info on the debian website, does testing get security updates on a timely manner or not?
15:52<jordanm>!testing security
15:52<dpkg>Now that squeeze is frozen, security support for testing start SOON. Put "deb squeeze/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file. Regularly update your APT index and upgrade (e.g. # aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade) to keep up-to-date on security updates in Squeeze. Keep up to date by reading <d-d-a>. Also ask about <d-s-a>, <apt-listchanges>.
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15:54<mario>But that's for the next release, I read that testing does not get security updates (like stable) but then I read about a security team for testing.
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15:57<themill>mario: testing does not currently get timely security support and shouldn't be used somewhere where such support is required. We have stable for that.
15:58<mario>Ok thank you.
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16:17<Xeross>For some unknown reason mails dont send when using the mail() function in PHP, all I can find is, not too sure if its related though
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16:18<Xeross>just confirmed that that is the entry in question
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16:18<Xeross>still I never receieve a mail
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16:47<monfis>jak jest jebac to wszystko po angielsku
16:47<monfis>fuck dis eweryting
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16:57<bremner>monfis: try "/join #debian-pl"
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17:03<bartek>hi every one
17:03<bartek>debian is super
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17:04<retrospectacus>I like those users :)
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17:19<Derric>Hey Jordan still there?
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17:21<retrospectacus>!seen jordanm
17:21<dpkg>jordanm is currently on #debian (1h 4m 14s), last said: 'Empis: fdisk -l as root'.
17:21<retrospectacus>Derric: yes
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17:22<iman>can i change my mobile os to debian ?
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17:22<Derric>Well, I got my system booting again with sysvinit.
17:22<Derric>It was a very simple switch back actually.
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17:23<jhutchins_lt>iman: Pick a server.
17:23<Derric>Just put in init parameter in grub that send the kernel to /sbin/init.sysv.
17:23<tjader>I've been getting lots of "warning, in file '/var/lib/dpkg/updates/0033' near line 5 package 'rlwrap': description
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17:23<Derric>Which is what runit-run renames the sysvinit to during installation.
17:24<tjader>missing" when I install packages lately
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17:25<jhutchins_lt>,versions rlwrap
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17:25<judd>rlwrap -- etch: 0.24-2; lenny: 0.28-2; sid: 0.37-1; squeeze: 0.37-1
17:25<tjader>That's been happening with several packages, not only that one.
17:26<jhutchins_lt>tjader: Which release? What mirrors?
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17:30<tjader>this time I got it near lines 5 and 6 twice each, once description missing, once maintainer missing
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17:32<jhutchins_lt>tjader: Ok. It's unstable. What did you expect?
17:32<tjader>that's why I waited about a week to see if it solved itself.
17:32<tjader>Then came here to ask if someone else noticed it.
17:33<tjader>I've been using unstable for some time, and these warnings only started to show up last week.
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17:38<iman>dpkg, tell me about dpkg
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17:42<smv>!tell iman -about selftell
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17:43<iman>smv, thank you
17:43<iman>smv, i want to know what's dpkg source, its open source ?
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17:45<smv>iman, see
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17:55<mycae>Hello, I am having some problems using wicd to connect to a wpa2 wifi network (badpass even though pass is good). I am running squeeze and using the rt2860sta driver. WEP/WPA work fine, Does anyone have any debugging tips?
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18:17<imperia>mycae: try sudo aptitude remove network-manager ; sudo /etc/init.d/wicd restart
18:18<mycae>network manager is not installed
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18:19<imperia>mycae: check it may help you
18:19<mycae>I saw that... Is there any way to downgrade with squeeze?
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18:20<mycae>Im running 1.7.0+ds1-5
18:20<mycae>They recommended 1.6
18:22<tjader>mycae: add lenny to sources.list
18:22<mycae>Will that work if I pin? Or do I have to install a whole new libc and up?
18:23<tjader>It may work or ot may not work.
18:23<tjader>Try with pinning
18:23<tjader>If no blocks happen it should work
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18:30<mycae>hmm. It keeps grabbing the wrong wicd. "sudo aptitude remove wicd && sudo aptitude -t stable install wicd"
18:30<mycae>it grabs 1.7.0
18:30<mycae>from testing
18:31<mycae>Am I doing that wrong? I did the sudo aptitude update
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18:37<jhutchins_lt>,versions wicd
18:37<judd>wicd -- lenny-backports:; sid: 1.7.0+ds1-5; squeeze: 1.7.0+ds1-5
18:37<jhutchins_lt>mycae: Looks like it's not in lenny-official.
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18:42<mycae>ah. so I have to add the backports repo?
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18:43<mycae>I thought backports did not exist any more.
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18:48<mycae>ok, that added, but now I get conflicts trying to install wicd-gtk :(
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19:00<mycae>Attempting to authenticate..., wpa_supplicant rescan forced..., wpa_supplicant authentication may have failed, Setting static IP : ,Setting default gateway :
19:00<mycae>Verifying AP association,Connection Failed: Failed to ping the access point!
19:00<mycae>but at least lenny-backport worked :)
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20:09<dpkg><penguin> If I run a command int the background like $command & <penguin> What happens if I turn the computer off
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20:48<smhar>I am having a strange problem with my 3g usb modem, I am using wvdial in squeeze on a desktop and a notebook. on the desktop, the connection is alive for days with no problem, but on the notebook, it get disconnected, where should I look?
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20:54<tamentis>smhar: have you checked your logs when it gets disconnected?
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20:57<smhar>this is the error I got: , I had to manually run wvdial each time
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21:32<tamentis>smhar_: have you checked your /var/log/messages as wvdial suggests?
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21:35<Devlin[TWL]>earlier I had an issue regarding my graphical session forcing my laptop in a uninterruptable sleep/wake cycle - so far, I've tried stopping the acpid service, killing gnome-power-manager and doing both has resulted in no result
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21:36<Devlin[TWL]>I'm now somewhat stuck - I've tried installing xdm incase it's gdm3 causing the problem
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22:02<Devlin[TWL]>Hmm, I can't connect to this channel from my home connection
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22:02<smhar_>tamentis, I had to reboot and connect again, I am waiting for the 'next' disconnection. anyway this is my messages file: Sep 1 12:47:31 aristotle pppd[15865]: pppd 2.4.5 started by root, uid 0
22:02<smhar_>Sep 1 12:47:31 aristotle pppd[15865]: Using interface ppp0
22:02<smhar_>Sep 1 12:47:31 aristotle pppd[15865]: Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/ttyUSB0
22:02<smhar_>Sep 1 12:47:31 aristotle pppd[15865]: CHAP authentication succeeded
22:02<smhar_>Sep 1 12:47:31 aristotle pppd[15865]: CHAP authentication succeeded
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22:03<smhar_>Sep 1 12:47:33 aristotle pppd[15865]: secondary DNS address
22:03<smhar_>Sep 1 13:15:46 aristotle kernel: [ 5180.678864] usb 2-3: USB disconnect, address 4
22:03<smhar_>oops, copy and paste problem
22:04<smhar_>tamentis, this is the /var/log/messages part related to my problem:
22:05<tamentis>Looks like something is causing your modem to get disconnected, does this happen when you don't even touch your laptop?
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22:06<smhar_>yes, it does not matter if I was using it or not. even when I leave it and go do so other work, when I come back it is disconnected
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22:08<tamentis>smhar_: what's your laptop?
22:09<smhar_>tamentis, dell inspiron running Linux aristotle 2.6.32-5-686 #1 SMP Thu Aug 12 13:38:27 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux
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22:12<tamentis>smhar_: feels like you've got some kind of usb issue here, I'd try disabling acpi maybe?
22:13<smhar_>tamentis, you mean disabling it at boot?
22:15<tamentis>smhar_: do you notice usb disconnects with any other device (grepping through your messages log)
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22:22<smhar__>just got disconnected .. again . I checked and nothing showing in grep disconnect /var/log/messages other than the 3g device, but I rarely use usb devices lately, even a mouse.
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22:23<smhar__>speaking of the mouse, I used to have some 'hanged pointer' issues sometimes that I just replug the mouse and it worked. did not think any thing about that .. at the time
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22:24<smhar__>tamentis, probably I should try to disable acpi and see
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22:26<tamentis>smhar__: yes, I'd give it a shot, then I'd ask google for other people having the same usb issue with your laptop
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22:27<smhar__>tamentis, can I disable acpi after booting or do I need to reboot?
22:28<Devlin>smhar__: it can be done like /etc/init.d/acpid stop ?
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22:47<emopart>remote syslogd with host rules... any suggestions ?
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22:47<emopart>i have a bunch of stuff kind of all over i want reporting to one machine but i awnt that machine only to respond to certain ip ranges
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23:17<smhar_>tamentis, Devlin, I did a /etc/init.d/acpid stop and less than half an hour again, I got disconnected again :-(
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23:50<bja>Does anyone know of a CAD program under Debian that is not qt dependant ?
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23:54<Xenguy>bja: just wondering why qt would be a show-stopper?
23:54<Devlin>i believe the question is why not? :p
23:54<Xenguy>Devlin: oh come on now :P
23:55<Devlin>I've never found a QT-based app that didn't require 90% of the KDE libs as well
23:57<Xenguy>Devlin: I know what you mean, but hey, disk space is cheap and all that
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23:59<Nemoder>Devlin: there are lots of apps that work fine without kde libs, just check if the deps are libqt or kdelibs
23:59<Devlin>disk space may be cheap, but I don't have the money for it
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