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#debian IRC Logs for 2010-09-02

---Logopened Thu Sep 02 00:00:15 2010
00:00<Devlin>I'm in a bit of a shitty situation regarding my laptop
00:01<Devlin>because I don't want to put winders on it, and nearly all linux distros have this same weird problem with the screen
00:01<Devlin>I had lenny with no ill effects (post backported-kernel update) but because the software was largely out of date I had no end to package issues
00:02<Devlin>anything newer now and I only have the tty sessions to play with
00:02<Devlin>I've been trying to sort it out now all afternoon, night and now morning
00:03<bja>Devlin: Have you done the lspci dance ?
00:03<Devlin>the lspci dance?
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00:03<Devlin>I can't dance
00:04<Devlin>All the hardware is supported
00:04<Devlin>Otherwise lenny and other distros wouldn't work
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00:05<Devlin>I could give you a tally of what actually worked and what didn't - I tried ubuntu 10.04, ubuntu 9.10, opensuse, fedora and knoppix
00:06<Devlin>both ubuntus gave same issue as debian, opensuse worked but was stupid slow and the font rendering was weird broken with lines through all the letters and some icons
00:06<Devlin>fedora, well the less said about that the better
00:06<Devlin>and knoppix never made it past the boot sequence
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00:07<Xenguy>Devlin: what is the "problem with the screen" though? You mean you can't get X/GUI, or ...?
00:07<Devlin>I can log into the graphical session
00:07<Devlin>But it will blank the screen
00:07<Devlin>and turn it off
00:07<Devlin>then turn on the screen
00:07<Devlin>and cycle forever
00:07<Devlin>until it decides to hang
00:07<Nemoder>sounds like unsupported resolution
00:07<Devlin>During the cycle only the power button responds
00:08<Devlin>What, 1024x768?
00:08<Devlin>I tried hooking up a monitor to the VGA
00:08<Devlin>But it did the same with that - screens were cloned
00:08<Xenguy>Devlin: does /etc/X11/xorg.conf exist ?
00:09<Devlin>No, which is why I'm stumped.
00:09<Devlin>Normally i'd dive into that and fiddle till it works
00:09<Devlin>Right now, i'm ssh'd into my shell
00:09<Xenguy>Devlin: apparently debian is not supposed to need that file anymore
00:10<Nemoder>xorg will still use it if it's there but it isn't required
00:10<Devlin>Okidoke
00:10<Devlin>Can I force xorg to generate one for me?
00:10<Xenguy>Maybe in this case it is 'required' ?
00:10<Devlin>Yeah, i'm wondering that
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00:10<Nemoder>Devlin: what is your gpu? lspci | grep VGA
00:11<Devlin>How do I copy/paste in terminals
00:11<Devlin>I'm textmode only, no gui
00:11<Xenguy>Devlin: screen helps
00:11<Devlin>but how do I select it to copy
00:11<Nemoder>!pastebinit
00:11<dpkg>[pastebinit] a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>; convenient if you don't have a graphical interface. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". In lenny, use "pastebinit -b http://yourpaste.net", because it's broken for most other sites (#572728).
00:12<Devlin>oh just pipe it to an app?
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00:12<Nemoder>probably easiest
00:13<Xenguy>Devlin: Ctrl-A <spacebar> sets a start, and repeating that sets the end of the text to copy
00:13<Xenguy>Devlin: then Ctrl-A ] to paste
00:13<Xenguy>Devlin: I'm speaking of 'screen' here
00:13<Nemoder>Xenguy: the usefulness of that might depend on what ssh client he's using
00:14<Xenguy>Nemoder: hrm, I don't think that would matter, but dunno for sure
00:14<Devlin>I'm using the ssh command
00:14<Xenguy>Devlin: so run 'screen'
00:14<bja>Gentlemen about the CAD ?
00:14<Devlin>Right now, tty1 is logged in as root
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00:14<Devlin>tty2 is this ssh session
00:15<Xenguy>Devlin: I usually ssh into a remote box, then run screen
00:15<Devlin>http://pastebin.com/YNhQ637Y
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00:16<Nemoder>intel 855GM
00:16<Xenguy>Devlin: and then, as above, screen provides a built-in (if primitive) copy/paste (plus lots of other wonderful features :-)
00:17<Devlin>the laptop is a frankenstein fujitsu siemens amilo pro v2000
00:17<Devlin>screen, keyboard, ram, wireless card, hard disk
00:17<Devlin>modem is removed
00:17<Nemoder>well the good news is you dont need to install any proprietary graphics driver. the bad news is you're stuck with the open one :)
00:17<Xenguy>heheh
00:17<Devlin>pretty much everything has been replaced
00:18<Devlin>Is this a driver fault?
00:18<Devlin>Please say it isn't :(
00:18<Nemoder>check your /var/log/Xorg.0.log
00:18<Nemoder>or pastebin it
00:19<Devlin>what's evdev
00:19<Devlin>it's tried to unload it four times
00:19<bja>Devlin: You never know who you work for :) Hope you solve your isue. Got to catch some sleep now
00:19<Devlin>and there's about 6 Xorg logs
00:19<Devlin>bja: I don't have a job right now
00:20<Devlin>nn fella
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00:21<Nemoder>evdev is input driver
00:21<Devlin>hm
00:22<Devlin>input isn't to do with display
00:22<Devlin>Let's have a poke at the old logs
00:22<Nemoder>no, just kb/mouse/trackpad etc
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00:25<Devlin>EH
00:26<Devlin>Give me a sec to do this
00:26*Xenguy hands Devlin a bag of time...
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00:27<Devlin>http://pastebin.com/bs3Dq2iH
00:27<Devlin>Look at the end of that
00:27<Devlin>It's trying to set a screen resolution of 270x203?
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00:28<Devlin>Or did I misread
00:29<Devlin>Every previous Xorg.n.log ends that way
00:29<Devlin>with that notification then a fatal error
00:29<Nemoder>i dont think physical size is the same as resolution
00:29<Nemoder>but i'm not sure what it means
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00:30<Devlin>I'm confused because there's that weird fatal error
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00:31<Nemoder>http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/intel-82845g-788563/
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00:31<Devlin>Nemoder: I'd love to read that page, but I have a little issue in that I have no web browser
00:32<Nemoder>lynx :D
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00:32<bja>Devlin: w3m
00:32<Devlin>Have you loaded it up in lynx?
00:33<Devlin>I get nothing but html source, making the whole thing unreadable
00:35<Nemoder>i'm just googling for that fatal error but i'm not sure there is any good solution
00:36<Nemoder>intel GPUs have always been a headache for me
00:36<Devlin>Hmm
00:36<Devlin>How would I downgrade the driver
00:36<Devlin>I know it works perfectly in lenny and previous
00:38<Nemoder>if the graphical login is working then maybe you can still make it work by just creating a custom xorg.conf with a different resolution
00:38<Devlin>But what if it breaks still?
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00:39<Nemoder>problem with downgrading video driver for xorg is you'ld likely have to downgrade all of xorg, and maybe the kernel
00:39<Nemoder>and that will block a lot of new apps dependant on the new xorg
00:40-!-mode/#debian [+l 385] by debhelper
00:40<Devlin>great
00:40<Devlin>Well I need up to date stuff
00:40<Devlin>I do testing which means I need an up to date and working linux on my laptop
00:42<Nemoder>well look at /usr/share/doc/xserver-xorg/examples/xorg.conf
00:42<Nemoder>might be able to get something working based on that
00:42<Devlin>I generated one using Xorg -configure
00:42<Devlin>I'll see what that does first
00:43<Devlin>Then if it breaks
00:43<Devlin>I'll be back
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00:45<hachi>hey folks, I'm trying to install debian from a USB key, something that I used to do somewhat often
00:46<hachi>fat32 formatted, ISO in the root directory, loading the kernel and the initrd
00:46<hachi>but I get an error saying that it can't find the data from the removable media
00:46<hachi>dmesg says that it's mounting the partition, but it just doesn't see the iso
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01:12<k-man>appart from grepping /etc/passwd, is there a command to see if a user already exists?
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01:15<gsimmons>k-man: man getent
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01:19<avinash>config files in debain kernel
01:19<k-man>gsimmons: interesting, thanks
01:19<avinash>which is the location for config files in debain kernel
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01:28<Torsten_W>avinash, /boot/config-$(uname -r)
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01:49<stas>ыфеы
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01:57<pagoline>oi
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03:33<Wooga>hello, can anyone help me with getting matching set of boot.img.gz (bootloader for e.g. usb devices) and netinstall image of debian squeeze i386 ?
03:34<Wooga>by "matching set" i mean same kernel in bootloader and in iso image modules
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03:37*Efreak touches Wooga
03:38<Wooga>Efreak: yes?
03:38<Efreak>google is your friend
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03:38<Wooga>i tried, but i had kernel version mismatch
03:38<syntx>hey
03:39<syntx>sup peeps
03:39<Wooga>and thus wasn't able to load any modules to continue installation
03:39<Efreak>the sky
03:39<Efreak>(syntx)
03:39<syntx>lol
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04:25<darsie>I filed a duplicate bug. Shall I mark it as dupe? How? Where is the documentation for this? Or shall I close it?
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04:26<@Ganneff>merge them
04:26<darsie>ok
04:26<@Ganneff>docs on bugs.debian.org
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04:26<darsie>I fournd something on merging.
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05:20<qwazzzzzz>ïðèâåò
05:20<themill>!ru
05:20<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net. or use English here.
05:22<mjt>um. I wonder how ppl set their character encodings. By default - when choosing russian during install - debian sets it to utf8...
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07:02<pleb2>Hi, I'm having a problem with debian... I have put my DNS servers in /etc/resolv.conf ... when I type ping servername.domainname.local it fails, says unknown host
07:02<pleb2>when I type nslookup servername.domainname.local it lists all the ip addresses
07:02<pleb2>If I add the server into hosts... it works fine :\
07:02<pleb2>Is Debian ignoring DNS for local entries?? if I do either ping www.google.com or nslookup www.google.com it works fine
07:03<weasel>what does your /etc/nsswitch.conf look like?
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07:04<pleb2>http://pastebin.com/LT75Ff1g
07:04<pleb2>it hasnt been changed
07:04<pleb2>standard install
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07:05<pleb2>I have changed two things, resolv.conf, which I added nameserver 10.0.0.63
07:05<pleb2>and, interfaces, to set a static IP
07:06<pleb2>http://pastebin.com/Y1wxFa3W is my interfaces file
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07:07<weasel>| hosts: files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns mdns4
07:07<weasel>I'd get rid of everything but files and dns
07:07<pleb2>Sorry??
07:07<themill>doesn't he need mdns stuff in there for .local to work?
07:07<pleb2>sadly, I need NTLM auth working on this server
07:07<weasel>that depends on where he defined it
07:08<weasel>if he created a .local zone on his nameserver then it's probably hurting more than helping
07:08<pleb2>The domain has a .local suffix
07:08<pleb2>and so all the dns entries do
07:08<themill>Ahh yes. I was assuming that he wanted zeroconf.
07:09<weasel>get rid of the mdns crap in your /etc/nsswitch.conf.
07:09<weasel>themill: people give their local domains all sorts of bad names
07:09<themill>quite
07:09<pleb2>Was installed by County professionals :P.. so its legacy,
07:09<pleb2>althought I most likely would have done the same
07:09<themill>pleb2: .local is "reserved" for use with mdns so you can't have both mdns stuff running and use .local as your domain name with bind etc at the same time
07:10<weasel>"professionals" only mean they take money, not that they know what they're doing
07:10<pleb2>BIND isnt running, the only DNS server is the microsft one
07:10<weasel>pleb2: I'm not going to tell you a third time
07:10<pleb2>I'm on it weasel
07:10<pleb2>sorry :)
07:10<themill>pleb2: s/bind/random other dns server/
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07:12<pleb2>how would I tell debian to reload nsswitch.conf?
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07:12<pleb2>do I need to ifupdown?
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07:12<weasel>no
07:12<pleb2>ahh
07:12<pleb2>yeah it works :)
07:13<pleb2>Thanks!!
07:13<weasel>'getent hosts <foo>' is what you want to see if your system can resolve stuff
07:13<weasel>(nslookup only does dns (and is obsolete at that); getent does the libc stuff)
07:13<s4br3>i, I trying to resize a partition, but KDE Partition Manager complains my HD is busy. Using "fuser -mv /dev/sda4", all I can see is gam_server and a lot of KDE resources. gam_server refuses to die and killing KDE, well... That is Catch 22. What could I do?
07:14<pleb2>Its not suprising im still using outdated commands...
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07:14<pleb2>Weasel, on the same subject... is there any way to make linux automatically append domain name if it cannot resolve hostname?
07:15<pleb2>as in ping server, becomes ping server.domain.local
07:15<bzed>pleb2: man resolv.conf
07:15<weasel>edit /etc/resolv.conf?
07:16<weasel>(search foo.bar qux.quxx ...)
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07:17<pleb2>doh, cheers!
07:19<pleb2>meant to be taking my LPIC 1 next month, lotsa reading to do :P
07:19<pleb2>Thanks again guys!
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07:23<pleb2>weasel, the dns issue is resolved so thanks, but you dont feel like helping me out with my winbind problem do you, or should I ask in the winbind chan??
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07:27<nickzxcv>i just installed squeeze, and i was hoping to try upstart instead of sysvinit
07:27<nickzxcv>but it still installed sysvinit
07:28<nickzxcv>is there a choice in the installer somewhere to use upstart instead?
07:28<nickzxcv>i had read a while ago that upstart would be the default in squeeze
07:28<bzed>thanks a lot it is not.
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07:29<pleb2>Solved my problem, Thanks Everyone !!
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07:32<eseasons>Enter text here...
07:32<eseasons>www.e-seasons.gr Outdoor furniture eshop must see!!!!!!!!!!!
07:33<eseasons>www.e-seasons.gr Outdoor furniture eshop must see!!!!!!!!!!!
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07:59<ArSn>hi
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08:01<ArSn>Can anyone help me understand user groups? I read serveral manuals but can't figure out the following: I set a file to be owned and "grouped" (if thats the right word) by "www-data", so I set another user ("kolja") to be in the group "www-data". That works quite well, but: why can't I read the files owned and "grouped" to "www-data" as kolja when they have move g+rwx ?! what the hell?
08:02<ArSn>wait, I can read them, I just can't move them oO
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08:03<ArSn>Has it to do with umask? *wwaah*
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08:07<Myon>ArSn: that's the directory's permissions
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08:10<ArSn>Myon: How do you know? I did
08:10<ArSn>chmod g+rwx me
08:11<ArSn>and then cd´ed to me/, tried to mv index.php to bla.php
08:11<ArSn>gives me "no permissons..." :/
08:12<ArSn>-rwsrwxrwt 1 www-data www-data 18K 31. Aug 18:49 index.php
08:13<ArSn>Seems right actually, doesn't it ?
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08:31<dood>Uh..
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08:33<psych0fren1a>evrybody can help me?
08:33<spyder4>what's the problem?
08:36<psych0fren1a>i want to remaster ubuntu 9.10 but i cant change boot loader
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08:36<psych0fren1a>what must i do?
08:36<lindi->psych0fren1a: maybe ask on #ubuntu?
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08:37<psych0fren1a>lindi:ok thanks,,sorry coz i'm new with irc
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08:59<sh0rty>hi
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09:00<sh0rty>i need help im new in debian
09:00<slush>!ask
09:00<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
09:02<sh0rty>im new and need some totorials to start how to mount how to configure. Can you say me which book is good for beginning with debian ?
09:02<sh0rty>ore maybe a how to
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09:02<rpetre>sh0rty: http://qref.sourceforge.net/Debian/reference/index.en.html
09:03<sh0rty>k thx
09:03<sh0rty>site down ?
09:04<CutMeOwnThroat>!reference
09:04<dpkg>The Debian Reference will answer most of your questions about Debian. The latest version (v2) is at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ . Read it after installing Debian and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. You can install this too, the package name is debian-reference: 'aptitude install debian-reference'
09:04<sh0rty>k thx
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09:47<twb>So I run cdebootstrap --include linux-image-686 --foreign ...
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09:47<twb>It unpacks the debs but doesn't run their pre/post config, right.
09:47<twb>So, why isn't there a vmlinuz- in target/boot/ ?
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11:49<sidney>How do i install a qimo-wallpaper-2.0.0.tar.gz in LXDE
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11:50<tacomaster>ster
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11:51<mmendes> /msg dpkg etch->lenny
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11:56<sidney>I want to install a kid friendly OS called Qimo. I was instructed to use LXDE then go from there but the packages are tar what can i do
11:57<twb>!not debian
11:57<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't know what changes were made by your distribution and it probably falls short of Debian's standards. #debian only supports Debian; you should respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent.
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11:58<twb>Oh, qimo is a DE, not an OS.
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11:58<twb>"Qimo is based on Xubuntu" -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qimo
11:58<twb>sidney: try #xubuntu or #ubuntu on Freenode.
11:59<bja>sidney: I suppose you need to unpack it and follow the direction that Qimo gives you :)
11:59<twb>bja: I suspect it's really just a different xfwm theme and a different list of default packages
12:00<bja>twb: Fairly decent assumption, But it will not harm to unpack it and look for some kind of README.FIRST file
12:01<twb>Well, I can't be bothered :P
12:01<twb>prejudice is easier
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12:14<retrospe1tacus>!qotd0
12:14<dpkg><wokker> initech, i thought greycat disliked him as well, but then i read that he wanted to lick him ... i was most confused
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12:29<semitry>how do i grab the last 5 megs or so of a binary file and store that into another binary file?
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12:39<minotaur>nterface unloaded
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12:39<minotaur>Failed to emerge dev-perl/XML-Parser-2.36-r1
12:39<minotaur>help me
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12:39<cahoot>emerge?
12:39<cahoot>gentoo?
12:39<richard>That sounds eerily gentoo.
12:40<minotaur>yes
12:40<minotaur>!paste
12:40<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <paste2pastebin.pl>, <wgetpaste>.
12:40<richard>This is #debian. o.O
12:40<cahoot>try #gentoo
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12:40<cahoot>on freenode iirc
12:40<minotaur>gentoo no reply, bad ...
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12:41<richard>minotaur, It's a gentoo thing, #gentoo will be better able to help you. :)
12:41<minotaur>well, OK!
12:41<richard>:)
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12:44<oliver__>hi
12:44<bja>low
12:45<richard>Hi oliver__.
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13:45<jpinx-eeepc>anyone know *anything* about getting bluetooth to work?
13:45<locklace->!anyone
13:45<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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13:52<poopyheadfenton>hiiiiiiii
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13:53<poopyheadfenton>dfsds
13:53<poopyheadfenton>dsfsfs
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13:53<Juanma>hello
13:54<poopyheadfenton>hello
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13:54<Juanma>k dices???
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13:54<Juanma>ablar
13:54<poopyheadfenton>???
13:55<Juanma>k pasa no entiendes???
13:55<Maulkin>!es
13:55<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat
13:55<poopyheadfenton>english!!!
13:55<Maulkin>poopyheadfenton: Do you have a debian question?
13:55<Juanma>not eapañol
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13:56<poopyheadfenton>maulkin: no
13:56<gmvrpn>hello
13:56<Juanma>k tal
13:56<Maulkin>poopyheadfenton: I'd suggest #moocows may be better suited for you then
13:56<Juanma>yo soy español
13:56<Juanma>español
13:56<gmvrpn>bien
13:56<Juanma>español
13:57<Juanma>y yo tambien
13:57<Maulkin>Juanma: /j #debian-es
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13:57<poopyheadfenton>maulkin: thanks
13:57<gmvrpn>q dices
13:57<Maulkin>!es
13:57<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat
13:57<gmvrpn>e q dices
13:58<gmvrpn>no me vengas con tonterias
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13:58<dominick>hi! I have downloaded a tarball for a program. Which is the most appropriate place to extract it?
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13:58<retrospe1tacus>dominick: probably in an empty folder in ~
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14:00<dominick>retrospectacus, thought of that, but it's a program that'll be used by all users. I'll symlink it in /usr/lib! Isn't there a place already set by the debian file hierarchy for this purpose?
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14:03<dominick>hmm! I think I answered myself. Does it break any specification if I extract the program in /usr/lib?
14:03<mju>dominick: there is /usr/local/bin , it should already be in your path. I would put the executable there.
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14:04<mju>dominick: why do you want to put it in "lib"?
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14:04<dominick>mju, i don't know where to put it. I see packages in /usr/lib, so I thought that might be the appropriate place!
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14:05<dominick>i'll place the symlink in /usr/local/bin as you said, but am unable to decide where the actual package goes!
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14:06<mju>dominick: well, AFAIK /usr/local is not touched by the package manager, so it's a good idea to put local stuff there.
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14:07<mju>dominick: oh, ok. I don't know much about filesystem standards. Maybe just create anything under /usr/local/ as you like?
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14:08<dominick>mju, I see a /usr/local/lib. I guess that's appropriate!
14:08<xxtjaxx>it is actually the place in which local additions ought to go according to FHS
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14:09<xxtjaxx>mju dominick see http://proton.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#USRLOCALLOCALHIERARCHY
14:10*dominick opens the link!
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14:15<mju>interesting. Thanks xxtjaxx.
14:16<mju>\me decides to delete /usr/local/Adobe
14:16<mju>oops.
14:16<dominick>xxtjaxx, the link was helpful. It told me I can place the package in /opt!
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14:17<xxtjaxx>dominick: can you tell me where you got that package from and what yu try to accomplish with it=
14:17<xxtjaxx>?
14:17<dominick>xxtjaxx, it's an email client: spicebird
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14:18<dominick>several users have it in their ~, so I thought I'd share it for everyone!
14:18<retrospectacus>you just unzip the executable? Usually you unpack, compile and "make install" puts it where it should go
14:19<dominick>retrospectacus, err. it's not the code!
14:19*dominick asks dpkg if tarball is a source
14:19<retrospectacus>whatever works for you I guess!
14:20<xxtjaxx>dominick: where did you get it from? Btw quoting from the site:" Spicebird is a collaboration application built on top of various other open source software,"
14:21<warper>anyone know how to increase the brightness in xubuntu 10.04 ? Can not find any GUI settings and the Fn- keys does not work
14:22<blarson>!tell warper about ubuntu
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14:22<dominick>xxtjaxx, that's the website! I've a same copy in the users home!
14:22<xxtjaxx>dominick: so it isnt actualky a mail client is it?
14:22<cahoot>warper: 1 - this is #debian - you should ask in an ubuntu channel. 2 - might try xbacklight
14:23<warper>sorry..
14:23<xxtjaxx>warper: or check your panel widgets. you ought to add one for brightness
14:23<dominick>xxtjaxx, yes. It's got lot more features than just a mail client! I haven't used it though!
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14:25*dominick is disappointed as the links are broken!
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14:30<pavi>what does debian dvd 1 contain ? Any link to a summary of packages in DVD 1 ?
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14:31<xxtjaxx>dominick: dont worry it appears to be quite fresh still so it will happen with the time maybe ask them if you can contribute?
14:33<valdyn>!cd contents
14:33<dpkg>To find out what is on what disk, examine the package lists within the list-{cd,dvd} subdirectories for the relevant architecture at http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/ (e.g. http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/i386/list-cd/).
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14:33<valdyn>pavi: probably anything you ever need as packages are sorted by popularity across the disks
14:34<pavi>valdyn, I mean a summary not the entire package lists .. tell me does it have KDE , GNOME ,OO,fluxbox,Apache etc ?
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14:44<valdyn>pavi: thats not visible in the package list?
14:45<pavi>valdyn, sorting out !
14:45<valdyn>pavi: bet it does though, since thats some of the more popular stuff
14:45<pavi>sorted by popularity ?
14:45<valdyn>pavi: yes
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14:47<pavi>valdyn, the above file is sorted by name :P
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15:33<tim_uiuc>Hi, can anyone tell me why running "which g++" returns nothing but I have g++ in /usr/bin pointing to g++-3.4 ?
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15:36<tamentis>tim_uiuc: does your $PATH contain /usr/bin ?
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15:38<tamentis>tim_uiuc: also, does g++-3.4 exist in the $PATH?
15:38<muep>would it need to?
15:38<tim_uiuc>tamentis, how do i check what my $PATH is?
15:39<tamentis>muep: yes
15:39<muep>echo $PATH
15:40<tim_uiuc>tamentis, it reads "/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/usr/X11R6/bin"
15:40<tim_uiuc>so yes, it looks like it's in there
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15:41<muep>tamentis: I do not think so. At least I have long symlinked stuff outside my PATH to $HOME/bin which is in PATH
15:41<valdyn>pavi: packages being distributed accross the disks in order of popularity does not mean you cant sort each disks list by name
15:41<pavi>ok
15:41<tamentis>muep: I just renamed my g++-4.3 and which does not find g++
15:42<tim_uiuc>tamentis, I'm sorry?
15:42<tamentis>tim_uiuc: do you have g++-3.4 in /usr/bin
15:42<tim_uiuc>tamentis, yes, and it's symbolically linked to g++
15:42<tamentis>muep: but these symlinks are absolute, not relative, right?
15:43<muep>tamentis: usually relative, IIRC
15:43<tim_uiuc>tamentis, sorry: other way around: g++-3.4 is linked to g++
15:43<muep>probably both
15:43<tim_uiuc>and both are in /usr/bin
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15:43<tamentis>tim_uiuc: so g++-3.4 is not a symlink?
15:43<muep>tim_uiuc: does the symlink work if you call if by the full path?
15:44<tim_uiuc>that's a good question, let me check
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15:46<tim_uiuc>tamentis, and muep, i think i linked to the wrong g++
15:46<tim_uiuc>well actually g++-3.4 doesn't even exist! so no wonder...
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15:51<tamentis>tim_uiuc: did you create this symlink yourself?
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15:52<tim_uiuc>tamentis, yes, I did "ln -s gcc-3.4 gcc"
15:54<tim_uiuc>in my /usr/bin
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16:05<dominick>Hi! I'm unable to eject my CD! Help!
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16:07<mju>dominick: is it mounted?
16:07<dominick>mju, yes
16:07<mju>dominick: then unmount it?
16:08<dominick>err... done! Don't understand why the eject button didn't work as usual!
16:09<mju>dominick: because you first have to unmount it. There could be programs writing, eh, reading it. (Do the same for thumbdrives!)
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16:10<mju>dominick: if you want to learn about it, open a shell, go into a directory on a mounted drive and try to unmount it.
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16:36<moldovean>, versions chromium-browser
16:36<judd>chromium-browser -- sid: 5.0.375.127~r55887-1; squeeze: 5.0.375.127~r55887-1; experimental: 6.0.472.53~r57914-1
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16:39<jordanm>moldovean: 6.x may get a squeeze exception
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16:43<moldovean>jordanm, so installable in 6.0 ?
16:44<jordanm>moldovean: huh?
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16:45<moldovean>nvm , just joking
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16:45*amphi mumbles something about midori
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16:47*jordanm is an xfce user and doesn't even us midori
16:47<amphi>jordanm: it's part of xfce?
16:48<amphi>it works well here, but I build both midori and webkit from git
16:48<jordanm>yes, its officially part of the xfce4-goodies upstream, although not packaged as such in debian
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16:49<jordanm>http://goodies.xfce.org/projects/applications/start
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16:49<amphi>I'd forgotten that the git repo is at xfce.org
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17:08<netronix>hello!
17:08<Jon>good evening
17:09<netronix>Jon: hello ! i'm currently trying irssi !
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17:10<netronix>does a debian-fr exist ?
17:10<themill>!fr
17:10<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net.
17:10<Jon>netronix: I hope you enjoy irssi
17:12<netronix>it's not so easy at the begining ! i'm onlinux since 2 days !it's a bit hard to do everything in command line !
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17:15<netronix>Jon: howi can know if someone is speaking on a channel ?
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17:15<Jon>netronix: perhaps irssi is too tough for someone as new as you. Have you tried xchat?
17:16<netronix>yes of course ! but mydebienisonlyworkingincommandline !
17:16<netronix>hum
17:17<netronix>yes of course ! but my debian is only working in commandline !
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17:21<Jon>netronix: ah, ok. well - with irssi, by default, the number identifying the channel towards the bottom of the screen will be bold white if there has been chat on it, and a dull blue if there hasn't
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17:23<netronix>Jon: ok thank you ! and, how i can do for speak to someonein private ?
17:23<netronix>*how can i do
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17:27<Jon>netronix: type '/query <nickname>' and it will open a new (private) window to <nickname>. Note that, it is polite to agree to a private chat (in public, say) before starting one
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17:31<amphi>netronix: FWIW, you may find the adv_windowlist.pl script for irssi useful
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17:33<netronix>amphi: what is FWIW ?
17:33<amphi>!fwiw
17:33<dpkg>rumour has it, fwiw is for {what,whatever} it's worth
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17:35<netronix>for {what,whatever} it's worth
17:35<netronix>for {what,whatever} it's worth
17:35<netronix>for {what,whatever} it's worth
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17:35<netronix>excuseme :-s
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17:36<amphi>heh
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17:49<Zathras_>can someone tell me something about the qa pages? For instance: squirrelmail. Latest version is: 2:1.4.21-1 while on it's website the upstream version is 1.4.21 : why the 2: and -1 additions and what do they mean?
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17:51<Efreak>Zathraz: http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-pkg_basics.en.html
17:51<Efreak>look at 7.3
17:52<Efreak>in fact, if you go to http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-pkg_basics.en.html#s-pkgname, it'll pop up in the right place
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17:54<Zathras_>euhm. that is about filenames. Does not tell the whole story about the numbers. might explain the -1 in the example given, but how about the 2: ?
17:54<themill>Zathras_: for the 2: /msg dpkg version epoch ; for the -1 /msg dpkg debian revision
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17:55<Zathras_>aha. ty
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18:10<Zathras_>is the pure main/upstream-version retrievable from the qa pages besides parsing the above string?
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19:09<Zathras_>can anyone tell me what the correct URI for PTS SOAP is please?
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19:21<anton>доброй ночи!как попасть в русским? (Good night! how to get into Russian?)
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19:24<moldovean>!ru
19:24<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net. or use English here.
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19:48<ironm>Good evening :) - I need few pbuild hints - tnx in advance *_*
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19:50<ironm>I have downloaded sources (dget url.dsc), changed some code and would like to build a mdified package
19:51<ironm>I guess I can't use "pbuilder --build file.dsc" as I have modified the soruce a bit
19:51<ironm>how to handle it in the proper way?
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20:27<safatb>hi everybody from Turkey
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20:38<HarryS>Hello, is there a way I can have portt 323 bindable by user "anyo", without needing root? Some way to make just port 323 bindable by that user, without some daemon running as root..
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20:46<cthuluh>authbind seems to do the trick
20:46<cthuluh>HarryS: ^
20:47<HarryS>cool, would that not require a daemon to be run as root though? or does it do some fancy kernel magic?
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20:48<cthuluh>or privbind
20:48<HarryS>I like to have nothing at all running a root unless I *need* to. Less stuff running as root the better
20:48<cthuluh>I don't use them, so I can't tell
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20:49<cthuluh>daemons usually can drop privileges just after having performed the bind() call, so I guess it's not so problematic
20:49<HarryS>>authbind currently only supports IPv4 sockets
20:49<HarryS>darn
20:49<cthuluh>hehe, you're asking way too much! :)
20:49<HarryS>I know! :D
20:50<HarryS>I just don't want someone to do bad stuff on my server if they find a bug in a DNS perl script.
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20:51<Knorrie>DNAT would be an option, but then you don't get the ipv6 after all, so no win
20:52<HarryS>Hm, I can't tell if privbind would work with v6, time to test.
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20:54<HarryS>But if someone finds a bug in $bindasnonrootprogram, THEN I am screwed :)
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21:04<HarryS>:~$ sudo privbind -u dnsuser -n 1 /home/dnsuser/dnsscript.pl - privbind: exec: Permission denied
21:04<HarryS>:(
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21:08<HarryS>chmod +x fixed that
21:08<HarryS>:D
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21:44<SelfishMan>any idea on when squeeze will be officially released?
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21:45<dvs>SelfishMan: this year
21:45<SelfishMan>dvs: so...December 31st?
21:46<franki^>It'll be over by Christmas, as they say.
21:46<SelfishMan>This will be a fun email to compose
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22:27<drew>anyone using debian on a laptop with Broadcom Corporation BCM4312 802.11b/g wireless ?
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22:29<pdg1>I'm having a problem seeing my other HDD's after installing Debian. Both are in ext3... how can i find them?
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22:36<NFischer>hi all
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22:46<pdg1>hi
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22:59<bgat>anyone here have any suggestions on how to modify debian-installer to support/deal with ubifs?
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23:02<Mythographvs>Hello.
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23:07<kurumin>hi
23:08<kurumin>how are you?
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23:08<kurumin>have somebody here?
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23:12<Mythographvs>Oops.
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23:16<GhostlyDeath>Hello, I just installed the WINE package and everything wants to open up in WINE now
23:17<GhostlyDeath>that is, View page source in Epiphany open in notepad instead of gedit
23:17<GhostlyDeath>PNGs open in some wine program instead of eye of gnome
23:17<GhostlyDeath>Seems wine wants everything to open up in it's own stuff
23:18<GhostlyDeath>which reduces functionality greatly, to unuseable
23:18<GhostlyDeath>Is there a way to have WINE installed and have it not mess with any associations?
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23:19<GhostlyDeath>If I were to test an application in WINE, I now have to install wine, test it, then purge the package
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23:19<GhostlyDeath>since it messes with everything
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23:45<Mythographvs>Hi.;
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