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---Logopened Tue Sep 07 00:00:29 2010
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00:36<traveler>bare-bones minimal install. May go awesome wm, maybe dwm. Any tips on a lean and mean base? bizcard or netinstall?
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00:38<blarson>traveler: all installers can install the same stuff. It's just what's included on the cd vs what needs to be downloaded.
00:38<traveler>righto, blarson. the xorg mess tends to trip me up and add a lot of bloat.
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00:39<traveler>bizcard has the rep for being lighter, i have always used netinstall.
00:40<traveler>maybe that is a better way to sask. netinstall vs bizcard.
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00:40<traveler>ask* sorry.
00:41<traveler>the only gnome mess i use right now is nm-applet. maybe that helps.
00:42<uofm426>hardware question am2/am3
00:44<traveler>ok, no big deal. I'll study up more. carry on.
00:44<uofm426>im looking to build a new custem built pc because of some problem with laptop
00:45<uofm426>i want to use my laptop cpu in the new build
00:46<uofm426>it a amd x2 BE-2400 45 watt am2 cpu running at 2.3 ghz
00:47<uofm426>key is 45w cpu i see mother boards limited to 45w 65w 95w 140w and so on
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00:49<uofm426>so in a 140w limited mother can i run a 45w cpu now and upgrade later
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01:19<ups>hi
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01:44<twb>Does "pptpsetup --create" create a config file, or the tunnel itself, or both?
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01:44<twb>I need to set up a pptp connection, but I *don't* want it to be automatically created at boot time or whatever.
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01:45<twb>(Yes, I know PPTP is a shitty protocol. I don't get to choose this time.)
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01:46<twb>pptpsetup is just a perl script, so I read it. It appears to both configure and raise (pppd [...] updetach) the tunnel.
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01:48<twb>Oh, --start.
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02:10<twb>Well it works, once I boot a kernel with PPP in it.
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02:19<mAniAk->found some mail on a server yesterday, exim has been deleting them since, and theres 200k left
02:19<mAniAk->i love my job
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02:25<twb>I couldn't work out how to tell "pppd call" to run "ip route add", so I'm just calling it manually.
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02:31<gsimmons>twb: Define ipparam in your peer configuration and create a file in /etc/ppp/ip-up.d/ referring to it. See http://pptpclient.sf.net/routing.phtml#automatic-setup
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02:48<valdyn>twb: why not use interfaces for this?
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02:49<twb>valdyn: that was basically plan B
02:50<twb>Mainly because I'm already using openvpn and vpnc by manually invoking them, rather than via interfaces(5)
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03:12<tuxcrafter>i want to request a new lenny backports version of ntp and grub what is the best way to make my case
03:12<tuxcrafter>i wanted to use reportbug?
03:12<gsimmons>tuxcrafter: No, the BTS isn't for backports. Try the debian-backports mailing list.
03:13<twb>IMO it should be now that bpo is on debian.org
03:13<lindi->gsimmons: the announcement says that yes but different maintainers seem to have different opinions
03:13<twb>A la wnpp
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03:55<tuxcrafter>gsimmons: twb i now used both the backports-users mailinglist and the reportbug tool to make the request
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04:35<matjas>hello, how to use pbuilder with sid and enable local repository with UNRELEASED packages, which are build dependencies for the next build?
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04:36<pololoq>ls
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04:36<twb>matjas: I do it via magic
04:37<twb>http://paste.debian.net/88319/ is my /etc/cron.daily/apt-ftparchive
04:37<twb>http://paste.debian.net/88320/ is my ~/.pbuilderrc
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04:38<twb>matjas: see also #debian-mentors
04:39<matjas>twb: I've already setup mini-dinstall and dput
04:39<twb>matjas: so what's the problem?
04:39<matjas>twb: pbuild doesn't satisfying build dependencies from UNRELEASED
04:40<twb>matjas: PBUILDERSATISFYDEPENDSCMD=/usr/lib/pbuilder/pbuilder-satisfydepends-experimental
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04:41<matjas>twb: that goes to the ~/.pbuilderrc ?
04:41<twb>yes
04:41<matjas>twb: ok, thanks, I'll try
04:42<twb>You'll also probably need to extend OTHERMIRROR and BINDMOUNTS.
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04:44<matjas>twb: for, now it seems to satisfied all the build-dependencies, now it fetches the packages
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04:45<matjas>twb: so thank you very much ;]
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04:59<medium_>народ
04:59<medium_>есть кто?)
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05:01<medium_>Народ помогите
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05:02<medium_>блин
05:02<cthuluh>medium_: russian?
05:02<medium_>yes
05:02<cthuluh>!ru
05:02<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net. or use English here.
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05:03<medium_>=/
05:06<jpinx-eeepc>medium_: what's your language?
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05:08<matjas>twb: still problems, it installed dependencies from sid, not from UNRELEASED
05:10<twb>matjas: obviously
05:11<twb>matjas: if it can satisfy dependencies using released software, it will do so.
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05:14<matjas>twb: the problem is that the build dependency is higher, kdelibs5-dev (>= 4:4.5) and the pbuilder installed the 4.4.5-1 version
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05:15<matjas>twb: I will check yout pbuilderrc once more
05:15<matjas>*your
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05:30<liyaqiao>hello
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05:36<twb>matjas: then there's a bug
05:36<twb>If your build-depends say (>= 2) and it installs 1, that is a bug
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05:42<matjas>twb: probably yes
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05:49<matjas>twb: got it done, copied the packages manually to the local repo and ran: apt-ftparchive packages . > ./sid/Packages, then gzipped it and updated the pbuilder, while uploading using dput I had to change in the *.changes file from UNRELEASED to sid to get the packages on place, but that also didn't help, now it works
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05:50<twb>Whatever
05:51<matjas>twb: I just love those workarounds...
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06:01<murthy>hi raghu
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06:51<starke>hey can anyone tell me how to upgrade to 5.0.6 dpkg isnt speaking in words i can understand
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06:51<rudi_s>!tell starke about 5.0.6
06:51<rudi_s>!point release
06:51<dpkg>Point releases are updates to <stable> and <oldstable>, fixing security and grave bug fixes. You can upgrade to the latest point release by referencing a Debian <mirror> in /etc/apt/sources.list, then "aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade". For Etch and prior, these were known as "4.0rX" but from Lenny onwards they are called "5.0.X" etc. See <5.0.6>, <4.0r9>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases/PointReleases
06:52<rudi_s>starke: If you have a normal debian lenny installation just running aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade as root should work.
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06:54<twb>rudi_s: I suspect he wants !etch->lenny
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06:55<starke>twb, already have lenny
06:55<starke>and aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade
06:55<starke>doesnt work
06:55<twb>starke: define "doesn't work"
06:55<starke>No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed.
06:55<starke>0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
06:55<starke>]
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06:56<twb>Run "script -c 'sudo aptitude update; sudo aptitude -sy full-upgrade'", then pastebin the contents of the file "typescript".
06:57<minotaur>hello everybody, my graphic card is "Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS/GME, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller"
06:57<twb>minotaur: and?
06:57<minotaur>is it a i915 or a i810 ? thank u
06:58<minotaur>or what is i915 or i810?
06:58<twb>minotaur: it's an 945, which is bigger than 915, so it's an i915
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06:58<twb>i810 is for stuff from 2000 to 2004 or so
06:58<twb>Maybe even earlier
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06:59<twb>minotaur: for background reading, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_GMA
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07:05<starke>twb, http://pastebin.com/d2Hfexsj
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07:06<twb>starke: OK, so it's working, and there are no updates
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07:11<maniman_i2s>hi good morning sirs , I need help , I wanna know if someone try to do this
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07:12<maniman_i2s>i need to add/remove a startup program to sessions (in X) from a shell script
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07:12<maniman_i2s>i be looking diferent conf files over the home but i dont find absolutely nothing
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07:14<maniman_i2s>where are the session startup programs ? In which file ?
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07:14<maniman_i2s>somewhere that options are stored ?
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07:17<maniman_i2s>i cant believe , nobody try to do this never , its relatively easy (an undocumented , too )
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07:21<starke>msg dpkg lenny->squeeze
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07:24<DrNo>is there someone who could install the fglrx package on testing without crashing the driver after install and get segfaults on fglrxinfo glxinfo. Or could build build packages with the run file from the AMD website without getting the "x710 no such file or directory" failure? What is AMD thinking? The gave pre-realease stable drivers to RedHat and Ubuntu but not to the community -.-
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07:28<twb>maniman_i2s: /etc/X11/Xsession.d
07:28<twb>maniman_i2s: or google for "XDG autostart", which is the trendy modern way of doint it
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07:34<maniman_i2s>aha , very interesting , thanks to trhow the light on twb
07:34<twb>Well, I *am* a genius
07:35<maniman_i2s>we are tryng to balance our application between 2 servers , and the "genius" who makes de app makes it QT
07:36<maniman_i2s>totally stupid
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07:38<maniman_i2s>I must write thousand of scprits to check the other server fail , and add the app to the sessions and reboot the machine to take the other server witness
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07:45<twb>"thousands of scripts" probably means you're doing it wrong
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07:47<maniman_i2s>yes , totally true , im doing worst
07:47<maniman_i2s>can do it better
07:48<maniman_i2s>what is right wrong ?
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08:02<th3j35t3r>Howdy all, remote killswitch? anybody created one recently?
08:03<petemc>ssh root@host halt ?
08:04<th3j35t3r>hey man thanks but need it to remotely nuke encrypted home directory, via twitter or something.
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08:05<th3j35t3r>or email anything whereby I send a code to email/twitter, remote host reads code and kills itself dead.
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08:05<petemc>very cloak and dagger
08:05<petemc>gnu shred can do devices
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08:05<petemc>shred /dev/sda1
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08:06<th3j35t3r>Sorry Ganneff - didnt mean to offend your sensibilities.
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08:13<dawid>Hi Everybody. Could Sb help me with my Xserver problem? It doesn't remember resolution settings - if I set it (1280x720) in KDE as normal user and log out everything is ok, when log in again - ok, but after reloading Xserver it becale again "1366x768 (auto)"
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08:24<bzed>cd cli
08:24<bzed>gah :D
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08:24<locklace>!coffee bzed
08:24*dpkg decants a fine mug of organic, fair trade Jamaican Blue Mountain for bzed, courtesy of locklace
08:24<bzed>thanks locklace and dpkg :)
08:24<starke>msg dpkg find r8168
08:25<dawid>Hi Everybody. Could Sb help me with my Xserver problem? It doesn't remember resolution settings - if I set it (1280x720) in KDE as normal user and log out everything is ok, when log in again - ok, but after reloading Xserver it becale again "1366x768 (auto)"??
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09:52<Atractivo_sur>hola
09:53<Atractivo_sur>hola?
09:53<simo>ciao
09:53<Atractivo_sur>alguien puede decirme como me conecto al irc hispano?
09:53<simo>i dont know what is the addres
09:54<simo>do you know it?
09:54<simo>try with //join #debian-es
09:55<Yoda`Taff>!es
09:55<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat
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10:50<RuiT>good afternoon
10:51<RuiT>im looking for help on debian, im a linux noob and im bagging my head on the wall with a problem i cant seem to fix
10:51<locklace>!ask
10:51<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
10:51<RuiT>anyone able to give me a hand ?
10:52<RuiT>well im not sure what version of debian im running
10:52<locklace>!version
10:52<dpkg>Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version. Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distributions.
10:52<RuiT>i want to update the mysql engine on the machine
10:52<RuiT>lol ok
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10:52<RuiT>2.4.27-1-386
10:54<RuiT>i have a problem upgrading the kernel. im running 2.4.27 and i cant upgrade to the newest kernel
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10:54<themill>thre's a lot more than mysql that needs upgrading on that machine
10:54<RuiT>i need to upgrade the gcc lib but the gcc lib needs new kernel and the kernel needs gcc lib
10:54<RuiT>yes
10:56<RuiT>i tried to get the 2.6 kernel but i need to upgrade alot of modules first, including LibC
10:56<RuiT>libc says that cant be upgraded because kernel is too old
10:56<RuiT>kernel wont upgrade because libc is too old
10:56<RuiT>and im stuck
10:57<RuiT>The error im getting is:
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10:57<RuiT>The installation of a 2.6 kernel _could_ ask you to install a new libc
10:57<RuiT>first, this is NOT a bug, and should *NOT* be reported. In that case,
10:57<RuiT>please add etch sources to your /etc/apt/sources.list and run:
10:57<RuiT> apt-get install -t etch linux-image-2.6
10:57<RuiT>Then reboot into this new kernel, and proceed with your upgrade
10:57<RuiT>dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libc6_2.7-18lenny4_i386.deb (--unpack):
10:57<dpkg>ruit: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin).
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10:58<RuiT>hold on
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11:00<gaborn>Hello :) Is there anybody for private little talk about debian-based distros ? I am looking to pick one and I am not really happy with my ubuntu right now... Thx
11:02<locklace>!why debian
11:02<dpkg>Debian strives to maintain your freedom whilst also paying close attention to the technical aspects of making a great OS. Debian is stable, upgradable and well tested. See also http://www.debian.org/intro/free http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ (archived at http://wiki.debian.org/WhyDebian) http://www.aboutdebian.com/ . As an added bonus, you get to ask questions in #debian.
11:02<gaborn>!why debian
11:02<dpkg>Debian strives to maintain your freedom whilst also paying close attention to the technical aspects of making a great OS. Debian is stable, upgradable and well tested. See also http://www.debian.org/intro/free http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ (archived at http://wiki.debian.org/WhyDebian) http://www.aboutdebian.com/ . As an added bonus, you get to ask questions in #debian.
11:02<themill>RuiT: you're mixing sarge and etch and lenny. There's no mystery as to why this isn't working out.
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11:08<Myth`>Background : I tried to recompile kernel 2.6.26.8 with the realtime patch. I screwed up somewhere and the system won't boot. I have reverted to an older kernel grub listed.
11:08<Myth`>Question : Is there an easy way that I get back on 2.6.26.8 without recompiling?
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11:20<RuiT>dpkg a bot?
11:20<RuiT>i think i broke him lol
11:20<RuiT>any one that can give me a hand?
11:20<RuiT>themill i have no idea what you talking about
11:20<RuiT>can you give me a hand?
11:21<RuiT>how do i see whats the correct one for my system?
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11:27<hmca>!mdadm
11:27<dpkg>mdadm is a tool for administering Linux multi-disk (MD) arrays. Debian mdadm FAQ: http://git.debian.org/?p=pkg-mdadm/mdadm.git;a=blob_plain;f=debian/FAQ;hb=HEAD . Linux RAID mdadm FAQ: https://raid.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Mdadm-faq . See also <MD>.
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11:29<locklace>!tell hmca about selftell
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11:29<uofm426>her anyone now much about am2/am2+ and am3 boards
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11:29<uofm426>hey anyone now much about am2/am2+ and am3 boards
11:29<bzed>!tell uofm426 about anyone
11:30<uofm426>hey anyone know much about am2/am2+ and am3 boards
11:30<bzed>uofm426: shut the fuck up.
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11:31<Myth`>Is a XEON E5345 considered a 'Core2/New Xeon' when building the kernel? It was launched in Q4 of 2006.
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11:31<rpetre>does anyone have any idea if i can use some keyboard shortcut to trigger middle-mouse-button paste? (in squeeze's xorg+gnome)
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11:32<uofm426>im building a custom pc i have a question about cpu watts
11:32<bzed>Myth`: I think the description for the old xeons describe what ehy are not
11:32<bzed>Myth`: so if the old xeon doesn't fit on your CPU, you have a new one :)
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11:32<Myth`>bzed, Thanks
11:32<bzed>uofm426: ask in #hardware or so than
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11:33<uofm426>no one is there
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11:35<uofm426>some motherboards max at 45w some 65w and 95w or 140w
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11:36<uofm426>i just want to start a working pc with the option to go up to a phanom
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11:37<uofm426>i have a am2 45w AMD x2 BE2400 2.3ghz
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11:39<uofm426>looking for a board that can take the 45w cpu with out fring it and that can be upgrade for a bit of time
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11:42<bzed>uofm426: you are wrong here.
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11:43<hmca>"echo 30000 > /sys/block/mdX/md/sync_speed " doesnt seem to incrise my raid6 recovery speed, anyone here using mdadm ?
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11:44<rpetre>hmca: it might be limited by other (hardware) factors
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11:46<uofm426>bzed pull your panties out your ass and show some respect
11:46<hmca>rpetre: such as ? using silicon image controler and backplanes for sata2 3GBs on wd Green drives of 1.5TB, currently 8 running out of ten , 2 disks where kicked out the array this weekend , only 11MBs seems .... it will take for ever
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11:47<rpetre>hmca: also try to increase /proc/sys/dev/raid/speed_limit_max
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11:48<rpetre>(i didn't know about the /sys stuff before)
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11:49<hmca>i have speed_limit 30000 speed_limit_max 100000 speed_limit_min 50000 , but aprently they are not been read i think
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11:51<hmca>rpetre: recovery = 4.4% finish=1999.2min speed-11655k/sec , witch was the value on speed_limit at boot time
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11:52<rpetre>hmca: sorry, at this point i just assume that's the bandwidth i will get and live with it :)
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11:53<rpetre>hmca: look in top for the "md0_raid6" thread and see if it maxes cpu or something
11:54<hmca>rpetre: md0_raid6 10% out of a dual core 3.3 with 4gb memory
11:55<rpetre>well shucks then, no idea what is the bottleneck
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11:56<hmca>rpetre: mybe i need to do a mdadm -S and -R after to use the new values..
11:57<rpetre>hmca: let me know if you find something else, i am curious too
11:58<hmca>rpetre: 45 bays 67 or 90GB storage , onlye with 10 disks right now, sure i'll post here more results/questions :)
11:59<hmca>rpetre: TB i mean
11:59<rpetre>woohoo, good luck
11:59<hmca>rpetre: 90TB raid6
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12:00<thefatloverboy>how to stop nautilus when it is runinig ?
12:01<hmca>thefatloverby: try CTRL+ALT+ESC and touch the bastard, dont know if it works
12:01<thefatloverboy>ok
12:02<thefatloverboy>i will see
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12:03<thefatloverboy>how to use my xfce desktop when im using nautilus?
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12:05<thefatloverboy>how to use my xfce desktop when im using nautilus?
12:06<rpetre>thefatloverboy: i think nautilus has a flag to run as filemanager only (and please don't repeat the question unnecessarily)
12:07<thefatloverboy>pok
12:07<rpetre>the manpage suggests --no-desktop
12:07<thefatloverboy>ok
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12:38<dupondje>Good evening. Does somebody know if its possible to encrypt a partition on the fly ?
12:38<dupondje>so without the need to format it ?
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12:41<locklace>what would be the point of encrypting on-the-fly an unencrypted partition
12:42<dupondje>Its not unencrypted? Want to encrypt it, but don't want to format it ...
12:42<locklace>what does that even mean
12:43<dupondje>what part you don't get ?
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12:55<frogbert>hello
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12:56<frogbert>someone who has successfully built an debian-installer with custom kernel with aid of kernel-wedge and could help me with some probs?
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13:02<frogbert>the custom kernel (well 2.6.35.4-vanilla) would be needed to install testing on a mac-mini: discs wont be recognised otherwise until 2.6.35
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14:31<kl4q>hi, i made a haiku usb stick from my pendrive, anyone knows how i recover the partition on it back? fdisk doesn't recognize it, dmesg shows that it mount it as /dev/sdb but then there's an error "device descriptor read/64, error -71"
14:32<kl4q>i used dd to get image on pendrive
14:32<jordanm>kl4q: what do you mean fdisk doesn't recognize it? Do you get an error for "fdisk /dev/sdb"? what version of debian do you run?
14:32<kl4q>testing
14:33<kl4q>he says there is no such partition
14:33<kl4q>but after
14:33<kl4q>dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb
14:34<kl4q>it works, but says i have to set cylinder
14:34<kl4q>s
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14:34<kl4q>(someone advised me to do so)
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14:35<jordanm>kl4q: try cfdisk
14:36<kl4q>nor cfdisk sees it
14:37<jordanm>kl4q: are you root?
14:37<kl4q>i am
14:38<jordanm>kl4q: start by giving the full errors, not summaries. fdisk /dev/sdb returns what?
14:39<kl4q>astaniec:/home/artur# fdisk /dev/sdb
14:39<kl4q>You must set cylinders.
14:39<kl4q>You can do this from the extra functions menu.
14:39<kl4q>WARNING: DOS-compatible mode is deprecated. It's strongly recommended to
14:39<kl4q> switch off the mode (command 'c') and change display units to
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14:40<kl4q>but as I said I ran "dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb" cause someone told me to do so
14:41<gmarselis>is there a web interface to submit bugs for packages?
14:41<gmarselis>kl4q: ugh
14:41<gmarselis>kl4q: you just messed up your hard drive
14:41<gmarselis>start from scratch.
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14:42<kl4q>it's just pendrive
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14:48<mAniAk->http://twitter.com/opvard/status/23248892609
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14:54<jordanm>gmarselis: yes, there is gmail for example
14:54<jordanm>gmarselis: however, you should still use reportbug to create the report if you choose to send through webmail
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14:55<jordanm>gmarselis: --output=file
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15:05<eightyeight>where can i find what configure flags were passed when building the binaries for a specific package?
15:05<eightyeight>i've seen this before, but it's slipped my mind atm
15:06<cahoot>IIRC you need the debian src
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15:06<eightyeight>the .dsc?
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15:06<cahoot>rules I think
15:07<eightyeight>ah, that's it
15:07<eightyeight>cahoot: thx
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15:22<gmarselis>jordanm: yeah yeah i was just thinking if there's a GUI like in mozilla bugtrac to submit new mistakes, but i guess the lack of a "submit new bug button" is deliberate by design.
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15:22<george1502>hello
15:22<gmarselis>which iss file as well
15:22<gmarselis>hi george
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15:23<jordanm>gmarselis: its all email oriented, as with everything in debian development
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15:23<george1502>How secure is it to mix stable and testing on a productive system?
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15:26<jordanm>george1502: highly not recommended, even for non-production environments
15:26<jordanm>mixes of testing and stable often end up broken. backport source packages as needed
15:28<george1502>If I change to testing completely?
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15:28<george1502>Now I have Lenny.
15:29<jordanm>george1502: what is your need/goal for this?
15:30<george1502>I want the new version of ooo and firefox.
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15:31<jordanm>george1502: both are available from backports
15:31<jordanm>!bpo
15:31<dpkg>backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ to enable and use. See also <bpo key> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo kernel> <bdo users>. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100905
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15:31<jordanm>official as of this week!
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15:31<george1502>zhx
15:31<george1502>thx should it be.
15:32<jordanm>george1502: its been around and tested much longer than a week though. I have been using ooo from those repos for over a year now
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15:32<george1502>Is someone here, who lives near Duisburg/Duesseldorf Germany?
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15:33<jordanm>!de
15:33<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
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15:33<george1502>jordanm: I don't need help in German.
15:34<george1502>I wanted to infor here about an exhibition happening round that area.
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15:35<jordanm>george1502: well, you are more likely to find them there I would think
15:36<george1502>Thank you for your help.
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15:57<goorrurdy>http://AnonTalk.se/ - tuxcrafter judd djw hobbestigrou_ lenap RichiH LM klando trench ifvoid real kutio matth blue Judas_PhD Amorphous fabrianchi AbsintheSyringe darthanubis jmho_ chk law dwatson mib_xc93eb hide Aleric Unmenschlich dinomite lsm5 moto_ carlos CompWizrd heffay Plain_Flavored srw simonrvn rudi_s chpln klh_ funkyHat doomcup[lappy] prahal [fFf] CyberRat sney BlackFate imperia dane__ Slydder lbt_ Gingerbread-Man magellanino dotslash skyegg_a
15:57<goorrurdy>http://AnonTalk.se/ - the-dude dba TCW bzed ralph Tero ghantoos Sigur raccoon derfel lavaramano cmot chihchun clocker hdon Exavion dmz blowback soloflyer tonsofpcs raboof Cap_J_L_Picard jeremiah spion Alam_Squeeze swaj kenyon Knorrie zobel samferry project2501a Deepy luizxx kichimi pos mAniAk- Internat QPrime ssb creyon_ Bucciarati nil disposable coruja xzu skule niekie jurg ichdasich joar Zathraz EmleyMoor gbp elbing koollman annttu_ swistak35_ dooglu
15:57<goorrurdy>http://AnonTalk.se/ - gravity phorce1_home Emmanuel_Chanel duke- cuba33ci mariusv sherr miksuh murisfurder pbn Gorgon kingsley kmshanah_ oyashiro|box ryanc chaos chaos-irssi noi colby CosmicRay qq- pi_ dotCOMmie sutula Pryon nirvani stitch Daniel_Duesentrieb dwon fnmueller tlyu phorce1 SEJeff marnold kmap [machine] BLarg timfreund jordanm Perihelion sfyn darius xsdg_ buffoon_work nou jerome_ HarryS ArthurLiu LoRez wzf lionel semitry jww_ Maulkin zmoeln
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15:57<Boivainfiva>http://AnonTalk.se/ - Boivainfiva goorrurdy mentor jeflui Zander008 m42 vuj Fernando1asso Piet locklace komputes BarackO valessio GNu_Joe hggdh george1502 freex Nazcafan jibel gibbs-hosting Blacker47 ant sitinavra_ vapaa_afk mjk kaziem tazz__ flub gutterslob Lanz amphi lenios devil fddfoo user01 quaker66 icebrain raviolicode Brian_R Ganneff DLange ffws flo Kd0 Guest916 Shuba_ przemoc grummund_ edhunter futex ItalianPlumber KrimZon xyz-zyx reklipz arw
15:57<Boivainfiva>http://AnonTalk.se/ - sebash_ rmayorga lish BjoernC dupondje ottoshmidt Jussi debalance `Jack davyg faheem streuner rsteig infernix ernesto jespada kaolbrec SQlvpapir yofel_ aliceinwire johns change_ ptr Myth` massmc jacks__ wasi snorre jpinx-eeepc jgarvey dajhorn Mr_Queue adi jthomas_sb_ behanw patofiero ram0 majlo JanC FairyCosmo AmberJ xifle spacepluk paggas dpkg AzaToth jrib jcwu OkropNick pinger_ johfel ant_ davi Martian67 scrp3l llimeht_ ao2 tr
15:57<Boivainfiva>http://AnonTalk.se/ - ct tuxcrafter judd djw hobbestigrou_ lenap RichiH LM klando trench ifvoid real kutio matth blue Judas_PhD Amorphous fabrianchi AbsintheSyringe darthanubis jmho_ chk law dwatson mib_xc93eb hide Aleric Unmenschlich dinomite lsm5 moto_ carlos CompWizrd heffay Plain_Flavored srw simonrvn rudi_s chpln klh_ funkyHat doomcup[lappy] prahal [fFf] CyberRat sney BlackFate imperia dane__ Slydder lbt_ Gingerbread-Man magellanino dotslash sky
15:57<Boivainfiva>http://AnonTalk.se/ - MoDaX the-dude dba TCW bzed ralph Tero ghantoos Sigur raccoon derfel lavaramano cmot chihchun clocker hdon Exavion dmz blowback soloflyer tonsofpcs raboof Cap_J_L_Picard jeremiah spion Alam_Squeeze swaj kenyon Knorrie zobel samferry project2501a Deepy luizxx kichimi pos Internat QPrime ssb creyon_ Bucciarati nil disposable coruja xzu skule niekie jurg ichdasich joar Zathraz EmleyMoor gbp elbing koollman annttu_ swistak35_ dooglu
15:57<Boivainfiva>http://AnonTalk.se/ - gravity phorce1_home Emmanuel_Chanel duke- cuba33ci mariusv sherr miksuh murisfurder pbn Gorgon kingsley kmshanah_ oyashiro|box ryanc chaos chaos-irssi noi colby CosmicRay qq- pi_ dotCOMmie sutula Pryon nirvani stitch Daniel_Duesentrieb dwon fnmueller tlyu phorce1 SEJeff marnold kmap [machine] BLarg timfreund jordanm Perihelion sfyn darius xsdg_ buffoon_work nou jerome_ HarryS ArthurLiu LoRez wzf lionel semitry jww_ Maulkin zmoe
15:57<Boivainfiva>http://AnonTalk.se/ - msantana_afk adfjk morruth hachi alsobrsp__ retrospectacus Sanitoeter tamentis cthuluh aaronyy Alvin XayOn ivan` Kvant Newa magyar jrabbit Yoda-BZH graytron varun_ astronut Omahn ctaylor eightyeight jmarsden NCommander Efreak jhujhiti jhutchins blarson Celelibi FloodServ tapel Myon petemc franki^ guide mjt musca idebug olasd_ xxtjaxx Hunger quasisane nb JohnDoh fugit kov Nemoder atrus Daviey groulder gsimmons damien Hydroxide Ar
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15:57<Piet>yeay spam
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15:57<quaker66>bot attack again? >.>
15:57<ant>ugh
15:58-!-grummund_ is now known as grummund
15:58<ernesto>please, ban
15:58<project2501a>i would not call that an attack
15:58<doomcup[lappy]>What has gotten into anontalk?
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15:58<mentor>They're being autokilled
15:58<Martian67>who cares
15:58<doomcup[lappy]>They normally raid chickenshit stuff
15:58<Martian67>nobody is gonna visit because of this shit
15:58<SQlvpapir>on OFTC now, too :(
15:58<Martian67>waste of their time
15:58<quaker66>seriously, thats not even funny now
15:58<doomcup[lappy]>Yeah, it's pathetic
15:58<dondelelcaro>folks, lets not discuss spam here, please.
15:58<doomcup[lappy]>Nobody knows how to raid now
15:58<doomcup[lappy]>Okay, sorry
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16:01<GNu_Joe>Question: found this demo of Stack and Tile, ( http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~lutteroth/videos/stack-and-tile.html ) Think it should be considered by Gnome but how to get it to there attation?
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16:13<george1502>So ladies and gentlemen, I am away for some sleep.
16:13<george1502>Have a niche time.
16:13<george1502>-h
16:14<george1502>bye
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16:32<TCW>GNu_Joe, they have IRC channels, mailinglists, a bugtracker...
16:32-!-marcus87 [~chatzilla@d51A59CD8.access.telenet.be] has joined #debian
16:33<marcus87>Hey all
16:33<marcus87>I am the n00b of all n00bs at linux and was wondering if anybody could help me out
16:33<locklace>!noob
16:33<dpkg>Dear visitor, please don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. Please don't bother telling us you're not a "newb", "noob" or "n00b" either. We can tell that too, you probably are, if you have to say you are not.
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16:34<marcus87>lol, ok ;)
16:34<bzed>!anybody
16:34<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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16:35<GNu_Joe>TCW: bugtracker.... HA HA enter it as a bug that will get me noticed for sure "Lifetime ban"
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16:35<cahoot>marcus87: just making you feel welcome
16:36<marcus87>Thanks :)
16:37<marcus87>So I'm installing Debian Linux 5.0, and my Ethernet card does not appear to be supporterd. So as one would I googled and found a proper driver. However it is in tar.gz format. and when I mount my USB stick and try to search for the installer, it gives an error that the driver has not been found. So I tried extracting the files using tar -zxvf <file> in ubuntu and repeating the process,...
16:37<marcus87>...unfortunately I've had no luck
16:37<locklace>marcus87: you can stop after "in tar.gz format"
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16:37<locklace>marcus87: paste the output of lspci -knn at http://paste.debian.net and try the kernel from backports
16:38<locklace>!tell marcus87 about bpo
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16:38<marcus87>Thanks I'm gonna read an try this :)
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16:42<marcus87>So I'm in the debian installer and don't have access to the commandline I'm following the install instructions from debian.org (http://www.aboutdebian.com/install5.htm) and am in a text-based installer
16:43<locklace>marcus87: use the kmuto installer instead
16:43<jordanm>marcus87: if you have not finished installation, use the kmuto installer
16:43<locklace>!kmuto
16:43<dpkg>For Debian Lenny installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ . The <bnx2> and <bnx2x> firmware files for Linux 2.6.32 are included in 0116 images.
16:43<jordanm>marcus87: backports is for after the installation
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16:46<marcus87>Thanks! Well I know for a fact that I have this NIC (Intel (R) 82578DC Gigabit network connection), and I have found a driver that is supported, but can I be sure that kmuto includes this driver so I don't waste another DVD?
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16:46<TCW>GNu_Joe, why shopuld they ban you? Be nice and not rude, just suggest it, try to write in convincing words, let them see your point and obviously don't mark it as an ordinary bug, mark it as "wishlist".
16:46<jordanm>mentor: dvd? its 150mb cd. if you can provide the pciid (lspci -nn), you can know for sure
16:46<jordanm>marcus87: ^
16:46<jordanm>mentor: tab fail, sorry
16:47<marcus87>No problem
16:47<marcus87>Ah ok, my bad :)
16:47<jordanm>marcus87: intel is pretty well supported, and I think it would be unlikely that it is not supported in the newer kernel
16:47<jordanm>those drivers from their website get submitted to the upstream kernel
16:48<locklace>!e1000e
16:48<dpkg>e1000e is the Linux kernel driver for Intel PRO/1000 Ethernet adapters. Support for the 82574L controller was introduced in linux-2.6 2.6.26-18. Support for the 82567LF-3, 82567LM-3, 82567LM-4 and 82583V controllers was added in linux-2.6 2.6.26-25, ask me about <5.0.6>. 82577/82578 GbE LOM parts supported as of Linux 2.6.31, ask me about <kmuto> for use of these at Debian installation time. See also <e1000e oot>.
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16:49<marcus87>Alright, I will try this now, thanks a lot jordanm, end you to dpkg. Sorry all this is just a little chinese for me at the moment =)
16:50<marcus87>and*
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16:53<GNu_Joe>TCW: was being snarky
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17:09<marcus_87>Thanks a lot guys, the new kernel is working ^^
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17:10<locklace>!congratulate marcus_87
17:10<dpkg>Woohoo marcus_87, you did it!
17:10<bja>!beer locklace
17:10*dpkg pours a litre of Green Flash IPA for locklace
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17:11<marcus_87>However I am the type of guy that wants to know how to fix this himself, but I suppose once I get better I will learn
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17:22<Zander008>hi, have a question about apt-get. does it download the applications and other required packages on it's own? or do i need to download them first? right now it seems like apt-get is only looking at the cd drive for the package.. it's telling me E: Couldn't find package xxx.
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17:23<bja>!sources.list
17:23<dpkg>The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian lenny main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <lenny security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
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17:28<Zander008>thank you very much.
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17:38<Vladio>hello
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17:39<Vladio>i am about to install ubuntu to my pc, to sdc drive to keep vista in dualboot. Where do I need to install the grub?
17:39<Vladio>sda? sda1? sdc? sdc1?
17:40<locklace>!ubuntu
17:40<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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17:40<Vladio>ok, thanks
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17:41<Vladio>bye
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17:43<marcus_87>I'm creating partitions with the debian intaller, in the tutorial I am following it says to create a "swap" partition. suggested size: 256 MB. But then they not it should be 1.5 to 2 times the amount of RAM I have. seeing that I have 6144MB of ram, isn't 4546MB for a swap partition over the top or is this normal?
17:43<marcus_87>not = note*
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17:45<locklace>marcus_87: if you want to suspend-to-disk, swap size should be >= ram size. otherwise don't bother making it more than 2gb
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17:47<marcus_87>Alright thanks, I'm actually trying to setup a webserver, so I will look into this :)
17:47<locklace>marcus_87: although i myself would recommend just making a 32gb / and a 256mb /boot at install time, then putting the rest on lvm, including swap
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17:51<marcus_87>hrm that last bit is chinese to me, so 256mb for the swap partition? and 32gb for the boot?
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17:52<locklace>no
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17:53<marcus_87>alright, sry
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18:20<bja>locklace: why swap on lvm ?
18:20<locklace>why not
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18:24<rpetre>bja: if the lvm is on an encrypted volume, for instance (to use a single md-crypt device for multiple filesystems+swap)
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18:57<MrFrood>set irc.server.oftc.command "/msg NickServe IDENTIFY FortyTwo"
18:57<amphi>43, eh?
18:57<amphi>er, 42
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18:58<MrFrood>bugger I'll need to change that password :P
18:58<amphi>heh
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19:02<MrFrood>ok password changed my nick is safe'ish once again
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19:07<rudi_s>I hope you've used a better password ;-)
19:08<amphi>it would terrible to have to become MrsFrood
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19:30<kl4q>hi, i'm using debian squeeze i did command dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/[mypendrive] and now i can't access it
19:31<bja>kl4q: you got rid of the mbr now you need to fix it
19:31<kl4q>http://pastebin.com/rHqmSfiU <-- what i get from dmesg
19:31<rudi_s>bja: MBR?
19:31<kl4q>yeah, possibly, but i can't even mount it
19:32<rudi_s>kl4q: Reformat it.
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19:32<bja>rudi_s: Master Boot Record with all the little tables needed to access the rest of the deice
19:32<bja>s/deice/device
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19:32<rudi_s>bja: Ah, thanks. I thought MBR was only necessary for booting, didn't know it stores the partition table.
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19:33<bja>kl4q: as rudi_s suggested reformat it to your liking
19:33<kl4q>i would but it doesn't mount
19:33<bja>rudi_s: MBR is still a sector inside the device. At leas that is what i understand. I might be uterly wrong
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19:34<rudi_s>bja: No, you're right. I just checked it, it was just new to me ;-)
19:35<rudi_s>kl4q: You can't mount it because you destroyed the partition table. Use fdisk or similar tools to partition it and then format the first partition with a file system of your liking.
19:35<rudi_s>Then mount that file system.
19:36<kl4q>sorry, i put it badly
19:36<kl4q>fdisk doesn't see it
19:36<kl4q>nor cfdisk
19:37<rudi_s>kl4q: "see it", which error message? Is it in /dev?
19:37<kl4q>http://pastebin.com/rHqmSfiU <- that's all the feedback i get
19:37<kl4q>it isn't
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19:38<rudi_s>kl4q: Hm, no idea then. Sorry.
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19:39<kl4q>ok, thanks for trying to help me ;)
19:40<rudi_s>np
19:40<kl4q>i made a haiku usb stick then it didn't mount but i could get more info from dmesg
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19:40<kl4q>i made a bootable flash with dd
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19:41<kl4q>like it's recognised in /dev/sdb and then error
19:42<kl4q>and it didn't mount nor was in fdisk then i did the trick with dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb
19:43<kl4q>and it died
19:43<retrospectacus>kl4q: try plugging into windows and see if it will format it
19:43<kl4q>i did
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19:43<kl4q>it recognised it at first
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19:44<kl4q>i tried to format it but halfway windows said me it can't format it
19:44<kl4q>and then all i got when plugging it in that it's not recognised usb device
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19:52<qq->kl4q, buy a new one $10
19:52<retrospectacus>yeah sounds busted
19:53<kl4q>qq, yeah, it's not eco ;p
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19:54<qq->kl4q, waste 24 h electricity to fix it is ecolo ?
19:55<kl4q>qq, alright, then i like it, and i don't want new one ;)
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19:58<Cygnus>If i have postfix 2.8 running on lenny what will happen when this server gets upgraded to squeeze ?
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20:00<Cygnus>,versions postfix
20:00<judd>postfix -- etch: 2.3.8-2+etch1; etch-security: 2.3.8-2+etch1; etch-backports: 2.5.5-1~bpo40+1; lenny: 2.5.5-1.1; sid: 2.7.1-1; squeeze: 2.7.1-1
20:01<Cygnus>Never mind I think i know what will happen anyway
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22:14<zhenbeiju>有人在马
22:16<blarson>!zh
22:16<dpkg>cn is, like, China, or for help in chinese please join irc.oftc.net #debian-zh, Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see http://tinyurl.com/8yrj9 | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读
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