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00:41<jairo>hola
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00:46<samuel2010>Anyone here?
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01:17<pyrokamileon>I just install Lenny on this box, I plan to turn it into a mythth box but there's this strange thing happening with the screen
01:18<pyrokamileon>even here in xchat... the area where the text is supposed to flow still looks like the wallpaper until it has to refresh the line with text
01:18<pyrokamileon>does that sound familiar to anyone?
01:21<xjjk>can you take a screenshot?
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01:22<pyrokamileon>i just installed this system, what's a good screenshot app to install?
01:22<xjjk>the bare minimum is import
01:23<xjjk>it's a command-line utility included with imagemagick
01:23<xjjk>type import screenshot.jpg
01:23<xjjk>in a terminal
01:23<xjjk>if you're using gnome, I think a good app is gscrot? kde, ksnapshot
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01:33<homestar>hello
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01:35<pyrokamileon>it seems that running cli apps are fine but running too many gui apps will bring the system to a halt and I don't have the patience so I just reboot it
01:35<homestar>i want to install debian...do i really need to download all of those 650mb isos??? last time i installed ubuntu the entire OS installer fit on one CD....
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01:36<blarson>homestar: No, you can just download the first cd, or a netinst cd (even smaller) and install the other packages from the network.
01:37*homestar breathes a sigh of relief
01:37<homestar>I thought for a while there everyone was trying to compete with M$ bloated installers
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01:39<homestar>is there a place to check hardware compatibility before installing?
01:39<homestar>this box is 2 years old... i tried installing ubuntu x86 when i first got it and it failed to work... i want to try debian now so hopefully there is compatibility
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01:46<dondelelcaro>homestar: not really, but most older hardware should work fine
01:46<homestar>thanks dondelelcaro
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01:47<homestar>im looking at the dvd/cd isos now... so if i download debian-506-amd64-CD-1.iso that should be enough to get me going? they also have debian-update-5.0.6-amd64-CD-1.iso ... do i need to apply updates after installing or what is that for?
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01:48<dondelelcaro>homestar: if you have a reasonable connection, you just need the netinst
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01:51<homestar>:\ i would be happier if i was on fios
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02:55<Pascal_1>hello
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02:56<Pascal_1>does somebody know if it's possible to use "quotacheck" on a mounted partition? i need to use it because it seem that my quotas files are corrupted
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02:56<Pascal_1>my problem is that the partition is in use
02:59<mjt>man quotacheck
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03:04<billhome>I was always having to replace blue tape.
03:04<billhome>p.s. boo wireless!
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03:37<twb>When running "dpkg-reconfigure -a", I get
03:37<twb>dpkg-maintscript-helper: error: couldn't identify the package
03:37<twb>...and dpkg-reconfigure stops dead in its tracks.
03:37<twb>How do I isolate the bug?
03:39<blarson>twb: sounds like a bug in dpkg-reconfigure (-a option doesn't work). Use reportbug to report it.
03:40<twb>blarson: I think it's more likely to be a missing line in some package's debconf template or something
03:40<twb>Note that it doesn't happen straight away - it happens after configuring a bunch of packages
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04:07<toobaz>Hello. I'm trying to understand the last comment of bug 587722. How am I supposed to say to the radeon module "hey, there is KMS enabled"?
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04:07<twb>toobaz: well, for i915 it's "modprobe i915 modeset=1"
04:08<toobaz>ehm... I should have written "the radeon _X driver_", not the module
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04:09<twb>I don't know, sorry.
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04:09<twb>toobaz: Cyril is Kibi in #debian-x, try there
04:09<toobaz>thanks anyway
04:09<toobaz>ok
04:09<toobaz>great
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04:13<blarson>twb: If you want to try debugging further, you could see if setting DEBCONF_DEBUG=developer gives more output.
04:14<twb>blarson: that's the one. I forgot its name
04:14<blarson>twb: found in "man debconf"
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04:14<twb>(Admittedly, I wasn't looking.)
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04:15<twb>Bleh, that only shows db_get and db_set
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04:45<kenny>hi ppl
04:46<kenny>I am sore from hitting my head against a brick wall :) Anyone fancy helping me with a sound issue?
04:46<muep>!ask
04:46<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
04:46<twb>!tell kenny -about anyone
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04:47<kenny>I cant seem to get 5.1 working correctly
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04:48<kenny>00:14.2 Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA)
04:48<twb>Were you asking about this yesterday?
04:48<kenny>me? nope
04:49<twb>Go into alsamixer and hit tab until it lists "all" controls. See if there's a switch there to turn mic into your second output channel.
04:49<kenny>aplay -L lists the mode I want to use
04:49<twb>If that doesn't help, I don't know.
04:49<blowback>kenny: go grab alsa 1.3 drivers. there's a script somewhere to pull them down and compile them.
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04:51<kenny>?
04:52<kenny>do you mean 1.0.23?
04:52<blowback>maybe. Or more likely 1.0.3
04:52<blowback>Whatever's the latest.
04:52<blowback>Grab the source, compile it, and you should have working sound on reboot.
04:53<kenny>Im on alsa.org. 1.0.23 is the current version
04:53<kenny>Hmm, I tried that. Im hoping that I have a stupid configuration issue ;)
04:53<locklace>kenny: http://www.cse.ohio-state.edu/~bondhugu/alsamch.shtml
04:54<felixs>kenny: on squeeze, you get 1.0.23 by typing m-a a-i alsa-source
04:54<felixs>(after installing module-assistant...)
04:54<kenny>cheers locklace. I'll have a look at that
04:55<kenny>cheers felixs. I've tried compiling from source, but I'll give m-a a try. Its likely to be more sane than what I've done.
04:56<blowback>kenny: The sound's part of an ATI graphics/sound subsystem?
04:56<kenny>yeah
04:56<kenny>well, its an AM3 platform with an nvidia card to be exact
04:56<blowback>Ok, well, I've dealt with similar.. persist in your efforts, you'll get it working.
04:57<kenny>cheers for +ve vibe blowback :)
04:57<blowback>8)
04:59<blowback>kenny: This is listed for Ubuntu, but I suspect it should work on Debian too. http://www.stchman.com/alsa_update.html
04:59<blowback>Might be worth giving that a spin.
05:00<kenny>jeez, its getting worse. SMP oops'ing building alsa - heh
05:02<kenny>thanks blowback, i'll take a look
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05:14<rpetre>on a newly installed squeeze machine, the fonts in tk applications (like gitk) look awful. my laptop looks a bit better, any idea what font packages should i install or what font-fu i need to do?
05:15<blowback>rpetre: Make sure you have sub-pixel antialisaing on for starters.
05:15<blowback>rpetre: If you want a _decent_ display font, try droid-ttf.
05:15<rpetre>i think i do, the gtk apps look fine
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05:16<blowback>Ah, QT issue?
05:16<rpetre>just installing it would do, or do i have to do some font selecting?
05:16<rpetre>nope, gnome
05:16<muep>hmm, isn't that just characteristic of tk apps?
05:16<blowback>Hmm.. droid? you need to configure it.
05:16<rpetre>muep: well, uglier than usual :)
05:17<amphi>rpetre: I think you can set the default font for tk, but it's long since I messed with it
05:17<rpetre>blowback: the font selecting operations are one of the large mysteries for me :)
05:18<rpetre>i need to demo some cool linux tools for git for my boss and i don't want them to scoff at how ugly linux is :)
05:18<amphi>I recall it using hideous fonts by default
05:18<blowback>In Gnome, it should be under settings -> appearance on thereabouts..
05:18<amphi>blowback: that won't affect tk at all, I wouldn't think
05:18<amphi>rpetre: gitk?
05:18<blowback>amphi: Ah, possibly not.
05:19<rpetre>i or is it gtk1?
05:19<rpetre>gitk and gitgui are the apps that look horrific
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05:20<th3j35t3r>greetz
05:21<rpetre>what package is droid-ttf in?
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05:21<blowback>ttf-droid ?
05:22<rpetre>not found
05:22<rpetre>all i found is: ttf-wqy-microhei - A droid derived Sans-Seri style CJK font
05:22<blowback>Maybe you need to configure some extra repos.. not sure exactly where it is.. or you can grab it manually.
05:23<rpetre>give me a name for apt-file
05:23<rpetre>droid.ttf doesn't match
05:23<blowback>ttf-droid is the correct package name.
05:23<gsimmons>Which isn't in Debian (BTS #511036).
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05:24<rpetre>anyway, sticking to my issue, how do i convince tk (or whatever gitk uses) to use some decent fonts, droid or not?
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05:26<rpetre>on the laptop i messed long ago with the font packages and font-utils and i don't quite remember how i made it look decent, i'd like to set the new workstation too
05:28<amanita>Is there any painless method to upgrade to testing from Lenny?
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05:30<amphi>rpetre: gitk is tk
05:30<rpetre>amphi: ok, how does it select fonts?
05:30<amphi>rpetre: you can set them in its preferences
05:31<rpetre>i just installed xfonts-scalable, no cookie, and fontconfig looks a bit scary to muck with
05:31<amphi>rpetre: but there is a way to set the default tk fonts globally, I think - but perhaps the former would do for your demo
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05:31<rpetre>amphi: i'd like the global solution, i might have some other apps
05:32<locklace>dpkg: tell amanita about lenny->squeeze
05:32<rpetre>git-gui too
05:34<blowback>rpetre: Re droid: http://www.jukie.net/bart/blog/ttf-droid
05:34<rpetre>hm, i'll start by doing an aptitude search ~i~nfont on my laptop and install those on my workstation :)
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05:35<rpetre>blowback: thanks, i'll look at it (though i like my current fonts, dejavu sans)
05:35<blowback>rpetre: I challenge you not to like droid more :)
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05:39<rpetre>neah, looks too rounded for my tastes :)
05:40<blowback>You won't get a sense of how it looks until you configure it for desktop use, but ok :)
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05:40*rpetre is a sysadmin, i stare at consoles all day and i want my fonts to be readable :)
05:41<twb>blowback: you can just put the .ttf in ~/.fonts/
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05:42<blowback>twb: Sure.. and then you have to rebuild the fontcache, no?
05:42<twb>I thought that was automatic, but otherwise just run "fc-cache" as your normal user
05:42<blowback>Yup, yup.
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05:46<rpetre>tk doesn't use fontconfig and i might need to restart my x font server, no?
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05:47<dasenjo>Hello!
05:47<twb>Can one simply wget the .ttfs from somewhere?
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05:47<blowback>twb: sure.
05:47<twb>rpetre: you aren't using an X font server.
05:47<luser>Is there a way to make make-kpkg create packages that install themselves not as the default kernel?
05:47<twb>(Unless you're REALLY weird.)
05:47<blowback>twb: Specific fonts or just generally?
05:47<twb>blowback: those droid fonts, specifically
05:47<rpetre>twb: beats me :)
05:48<dasenjo>I need some help installing a kernel ... I have a leeny debootstrap. After doing a chroot I try to install a kernel and get an error
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05:48<blowback>twb: Yeah, they're around somewhere as ttfs.. giyf :)
05:48<twb>rpetre: anything not using xft probably needs the X server itself restarted
05:48<rpetre>meh
05:48<rpetre>ok, thanls
05:48<rpetre>s/l/k/
05:48<twb>rpetre: you'd also need <glue> to make ttfs visible to the X font system, which IIRC is x-ttcid-fontsomething
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05:50<blowback>rpetre: fwiw, droid sans mono is emminently readable in the terminal :)
05:50<rpetre>hm, funny think is that my laptop's gitk uses helvetica and courier as well, but probablly different sizes or with aliasing
05:50<rpetre>blowback: i think ubuntu uses it, i hate it, makes me reread some characters to make sure i haven't read them wrong
05:50<dasenjo>http://pastebin.ca/1935633
05:50<twb>blowback: ITYM terminal *emulator*
05:51<rpetre>:D
05:51<dasenjo>How can I know the configure error?
05:51<blowback>rpetre: No, Ubuntu doesn't.. Ubuntu I believe has its own new font.. prior to that, DejaVu I think was default.
05:51<rpetre>there's a popular "fluffy" one in various screenshots
05:51<blowback>twb: Indeed I do ;)
05:52<twb>dasenjo: I think it's breaking somewhere inside grub
05:52<blowback>rpetre: Yeah, that's the new Ubuntu commisioned font.
05:52<rpetre>but i accept it's a highly personal choice
05:52*blowback nods and smiles.
05:52<dasenjo>twb, maybe ... let me see something about grub ..
05:53<twb>I tend to use Terminus and DVSM/BVSM
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05:53<twb>Stuff like consolas just doesn't reduce to 12x6px very well.
05:53<rpetre>anyway, why the tk on the new machine doesn't do font scale/alias/beautification/thingamajig?
05:53<twb>At least, not in xft.
05:54<twb>dasenjo: do you even NEED grub installed for a domu?
05:54<dasenjo>twb, not so much to do ..
05:55<twb>dasenjo: so don't install it; problem solved
05:55<dasenjo>twb, I want to use pygrub .. I think so ..
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05:55<rpetre>dasenjo: the question is if you want ot manage the kernel from inside the domu or outside of it
05:56<dasenjo>I want to make a debian domU inside a centos dom0 ..
05:56<rpetre>and pygrub and grub2 don't lay well together iird
05:56<dasenjo>so I thought I needed a grub and a kernel ..
05:56<rpetre>yes!
05:56<rpetre>#573311
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05:57<dasenjo>the worst part is that I did install a machine like that two days ago ... and now I can't remember what I have done ... :p
05:59<rpetre>dasenjo: you probably used grub1 :)
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06:00<blowback>If you're multibooting, burg is worth a look if you can get it installed. (random factoid).
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06:02<dasenjo>rpetre, indeed
06:04<twb>Meh. grub can FOAD. It has given me nothing but grief, especially grub2. extlinux actually *works*.
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06:04<longhena>list
06:05<longhena>!list
06:05<dpkg>longhena: VATTENE VIA!
06:05<longhena>!list
06:05<dpkg>longhena: VATTENE VIA!
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06:12<mattgun>does anyone know if the newest version of KDE is stable for debian?
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06:14<twb>Define "newest" and "stable"
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06:16<dasenjo>rpetre, I install grub 0.97-47lenny2 but its the same I'm trying to install now ..
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06:27<nickkk>hi, i'm having a small issue. my .xinitrc refuses to be merged by xrdb, even if it's a oneliner that only execs my window manager, saying i'm missing a colon on line 1 and that it will ignore the line. is there anything i could do?
06:28<lindi->nickkk: isn't xrdb for resources?
06:28<felixs>nickkk: xrdb is meant to merge resource files, not shell scripts (which .xinitrc should be)
06:29<lindi->is .xinitrc even used with todays gdm setups? At least .xsession is not even read afaik
06:29<nickkk>indeed it's supposed to merge resources, however, the x server will not parse it if it has more than one line, often ignoring everything except the window manager
06:29<nickkk>i do not use gdm for that matter, either.
06:30<luser>xdm reads .xsession, dunno about gdm
06:30<luser>most of the stuff behind this is human-readable shell scripts
06:31<nickkk>well aware, i'd like it to run my window manager and feh to set a background, however, it never gets around setting the background.
06:32<felixs>nickkk: paste your .xsession file
06:33<felixs>nickkk: or xinitrc or whatever you use
06:33<nickkk>feh --bg-scale /home/nickkk/wallpaper-264364.jpg
06:33<nickkk>exec xmonad
06:34<dasenjo>twb, rpetre so ... any other advice? is there any way to debug the grub configuration or so? dpk --configure grub doesnt say anything bad ..
06:34<felixs>maybe wou want nohup feh?
06:34<twb>dasenjo: sorry, I don't care about xxen
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06:35<felixs>does feh come back when called this way? (sorry, i dont know feh)
06:35<nickkk>yes, it does come back
06:36<nickkk>it worked in a new x server i just started, thanks.
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06:42<MrFrood>felixs: try ...
06:43<MrFrood>felixs: (sleep 5 && feh ...stuff...) &
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06:50<njm>Hey Guys, where's the best place to goto for Exim support?
06:50<felixs>MrFrood: nickkk has quit already. i dont think i want to install feh
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06:54<MrFrood>felixs: yeah, he quit while I was typing - not sure why I put your name (sorry)... but feh is nice, every one should install it :)
06:55<lindi->luser: I think I used systemtap to verify that gdm does not read ~/.xsession a while back
06:56<mjt>.xsession is read by shell
06:56<mjt>gdm does not understand shell language
06:57<mjt>and it's read when you choose "traditional X session" in gdm - i don't remember the exact name of it
06:57<MrFrood>.xinitrc is read by the shell, .xsessionrc is read by a DM
06:57<mjt>um. ;)
06:58<MrFrood>note .xsesionrc not .xession
06:58<mjt>for traditional x session, it checks if there's .xinitrc and executes that if found. if not, it does some more stuff and checks for .xsession
06:58<mjt>see /etc/X11/Xsession*
06:59<luser>looks like gdm's being a bit 'too clever'. I should check out systemtap though
07:00<lindi->luser: well ~/.xsession is bit tricky to handle
07:00<mjt>it knows how to start certain types of sessions - like gnome etc, and for these, it executes corresponding stuff in /usr/bin directly
07:00<lindi->luser: you can't offer a GUI for parsing and modifying it really
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07:00<mjt>its trivially handled in vi :)
07:00<luser>hmmm, is there an !editorwar ?
07:01<lindi->mjt: yeah for vi users :)
07:01<mjt>ok, in $EDITOR or $VISUAL
07:01<lindi->mjt: yeah but many users are not familiar with those
07:01<lindi->(yes, really!)
07:01<mjt>sure, i know
07:01<mjt>and aren't familiar with sh too
07:01<lindi->Afaik gdm users $HOME/.dmrc which is a machine parseable file
07:02<mjt>to store the preferred session type
07:02<lindi->(not a shell script but a grouped key-value store)
07:02<lindi->and there's some autostartup directory for starting stuff on login
07:02<mjt>and it definitely does not read any other .*rc files like .xinitrc or .xsessionrc
07:03<mjt>um, that depends on session manager
07:03<lindi->and a GUI for adding/removing items to the autostartup
07:03<mjt>but most honour autostart nowadays
07:03<mjt>~/.config/autostart/
07:03<mjt>with .desktop files
07:03<lindi->yep
07:04<mjt>with the horrible .desktop files ;)
07:04<mjt>(it's like .lnk files in windoze)
07:04<lindi->sure but it's bit better than having commands sequentially in ~/.xsession with no programmable way to add/remove items
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07:05<dasenjo>twb, i could help it with a weird remove/install remove/install sequence ... thanks any way :)
07:05<mjt>i'm not complaining. i'm not complaining about autostart dir. Just.. horrible format ;) I wish there's a way to put plain executables into there too... ;)
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07:05<mjt>(primarily .sh scripts)
07:05<mjt>dpkg: wb
07:05<dpkg>thanks, mjt. It's good to be back.
07:05<luser>lindi "with no programmable way" is just plain nonsense.
07:06<mjt>it's not
07:06<luser>remove things programattically - simple, that's a sed command
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07:06<luser>or a grep
07:06<mjt>you can put any complex construct into there, making it unparseable for automated editing tools
07:06<lindi->luser: it's not possible to parse a shell script in any intelligent way really
07:07<lindi->luser: if you allow the user to put whatever he likes there
07:07<luser>the shell seems able to do it
07:07<mjt>it is posible to parse: shell does it. But shell does not edit it.
07:07<luser>Well it's the old power/ease trade-off
07:07<lindi->luser: you can hook your custom scripts to autostart too
07:08<mjt>so we've both .xsession for manual editing and autostart/ for gui tools
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07:09<mjt>(and you can place something else to autostart/, confusing the hell out of your session manager and gui menu editing tools by doing that... ;)
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07:34<pup>hello
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07:35<luser>!ask
07:35<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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07:52<pup>how to use mtftar ?
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07:54<Pengnucon>hello world. i wonder what's the command in the cli in order to display the genre of commands. it's kinda like "prospro" or something like that...
07:54<babilen>pup: What is mtftar? If you refer to http://gpl.internetconnection.net/mtftar.readme that page might provide some insights
07:54<Pengnucon>i mean; the command that displays other commands.
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07:54<babilen>Pengnucon: "apropos" maybe?
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07:55<Pengnucon>yes, that's right. thank you very much :)
07:55<pup>mtftar converts .bkf to .tar but i don't know how convert it
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07:56<babilen>Pengnucon: No problem :)
07:57<Pengnucon>another Q: what's the best software emulator does linux provide for programming PIC using the C programming language?
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08:00<babilen>Pengnucon: No idea - But https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/PIC_microcontroller#Open_source might be a good start
08:02*Pengnucon is counting his fingers...
08:02<Pengnucon>hello world, again?
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08:03<Pengnucon>oh, ok. sorry if i flooded a little bit and thank you very much! :D
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08:58<kcynice>hi, how to watch all its opened network connections of a process? im not sure how to use netstat to do this task
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09:00<koollman>kcynice: perhaps something like 'netstat -ntp | grep yourprocessid'
09:01<koollman>that would be only tcp connectin. you can remove the 't' for it
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09:01<duke->kcynice: lsof -i | grep processname
09:03<kcynice>koollman, yes i tried -t but found nothing. -ntp yet. duke's lsof works well. thanks, all.
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09:08<koollman>kcynice: the -p parts show process name and pid
09:09<kcynice>and i have another question about gstm. for add a new channel, it seems there is nowhere to specified the password.
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09:10<svaksha>Hi,this is regarding gnumed, I had reinstalled Postgres but restarting it after editing the pg_hba.conf file produces this error: http://pastebin.com/W9qmxBQ3
09:10<svaksha>pg_alchemist: http://pastebin.com/u9dL3AAg
09:10<svaksha>oops, http://pastebin.com/u9dL3AAg
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09:10<svaksha>its a known not-a-bug in LP, https://bugs.launchpad.net/gnumed/+bug/478114
09:10<svaksha>thanks
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09:11<kcynice>koollman, it works now
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10:11<node3667>hello, with the squeeze Alpha1 release of the installer (i386), i downloaded the cfdisk module, and when i ran ~ # cfdisk , i got : cfdisk: error while loading shared libraries: libncurses.so.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory, is it a bug i should report ? where ?
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10:19<node3667>reported.
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10:22<gsimmons>ls
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10:22<gsimmons>Gah.
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10:47<hmca>hdparm -d 1 /dev/sdl , HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device ..... how 2 manage sata dma/performance 2.6.32-up ?
10:47<Torsten_W>libata activates dma by default
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10:49<hmca>Torsten , dmesg shows that a 3GBs link is started then droped to 1.5GBs , using Sil3124 raid controlers and port multiplyers, can't get more than 40 40mbs read on sata 2 1TB disk, i have ten more wd green with 1.5TB not using full speed
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10:51<hmca>!libata
10:51<dpkg>libata is a Linux library supporting ATA controllers and devices. Devices handled by libata appear as SCSI devices with associated device names: 'sd' (hard drive, instead of 'hd'), 'sr' (optical), 'st' (tape). The old IDE (PATA) drivers are replaced with libata in Debian kernel images as of linux-2.6 2.6.32-10, see /usr/share/doc/linux-image-2.6.32-*5*/NEWS.Debian.gz. http://ata.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Libata_FAQ . See also <uuid>.
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10:58<CosmicRay>anyone have the idea of the total size of a squeeze i386 mirror, binaries only, or where I could discover this information?
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11:00<ansgar>CosmicRay: http://www.debian.org/mirror/size
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11:00<CosmicRay>ansgar: that includes lenny, squeeze, and sid on the i386 line
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11:00<CosmicRay>ansgar: I want the size of just one
11:01<ansgar>CosmicRay: Oh, right. I have a Lenny mirror for i386, amd64 and source and think it took 25 GB or so. Maybe helps as a rough estimate.
11:02<CosmicRay>ansgar: thanks, that's useful. appreciate it
11:02<luser>cosmicray - sum these? http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.6/i386/iso-dvd/
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11:04<CosmicRay>luser: nice idea, but using http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-dvd/
11:04<CosmicRay>that came to 32.3GB. do those DVD sets include source?
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11:05<luser>cosmic - nope, taht's bigger
11:05<luser>or not: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/source/iso-dvd/
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11:07<hmca>Torsten_W : after greping arrounf libata FAQ from what i have understood is that libata is also reponsable for my PATA boot disk as as so it will limit the speed to it's minimun , possible answer could be AHCI in bios, or a better boot disk.... md0 recovery finish in 2156 min , only after this i can reboot.
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11:12<ansgar>CosmicRay: *coughs* 25 GB was wrong. I just looked and it takes 48 GB.
11:13<cockroach>hey, i'm having a weird issue with wireless on an older thinkpad (ipw2100): i can't seem to change the frequency. trying to do so with iwconfig i get "Operation not supported" - any idea?
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11:14<cockroach>(in managed mode. seems to work in ad-hoc mode)
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11:17<amanita>Hi, just upgraded to testing(Squeeze), solved some problems, like udev and stuff. I still got weird messages after boot
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11:24<dominick>Hi! I'm using the latest version of squeeze. I'm not able to change the Login Screen for gdm. Earlier, it could be changed through System->Administration->Login Screen, but now it contains settings for auto-login only! Please help!
11:24<dominick>s/gdm/gdm3
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11:27<Cygnus>dominick: go to /etc/gdm3/ there you will find the config file, edit it as root and set the image you want to appear on the splashscreen
11:28<dominick>Cygnus, only the image? earlier It was the entire theme/interface that could be changed!
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11:29<Cygnus>dominick: you will have to research a little more if you want something else. IWFM
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11:55<dominick>how do I change the default login screen in gdm3? Earlier I used to System->Administration->Login Screen, but now it doesn't show me the list of logins. I used the latest squeeze!
11:55<P|P0>Regards to all, could help me I have a problem I have two servers installed separate offices with Debian, and the one I have installed Openfire office, all pidgin users have installed as a client, now users of the office one can send and receive files between them, as with users of office in February, but a user of an office can not send a file to another another office
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11:56<P|P0>I did a test with the team and a friend who has installed Debian that is out of the office and get the file perfectly, that means it probably is the firewall
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11:58<P|P0>open ports handling the Openfire 5222, 5229, 7777 and 9090 and yet I can not send files, sorry for my English I'm from Venezuela and all this is a translation of google
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12:08<dominick>!es
12:08<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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12:16<jespada>Hi guys, I'm trying to create a vserver with newvserver script..but i got an error that is seems not be related to it
12:16<jespada>/etc/init.d/rc: line 74: /etc/default/rcS: No such file or directory
12:16<jespada>error: '/etc/init.d/rc' exited outside the expected code flow.
12:16<jespada>debian lenny
12:16<jespada>2.6.26-2-vserver-amd64
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12:30<alephnull>What's the deal with hugetlbfs on amd64 (squeeze). I see that the kernel has it compiled in but I can't create any pages.
12:33<alephnull>http://paste.debian.net/88629/
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12:37<kisisten>hi, is there an ethernet monitoring software like ethereal for squeeze?
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12:38<cmn>kisisten: ehtereal is called wireshark now
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12:39<kisisten>cmn: thank you
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12:41<kikinovak>Hi. I'm a CentOS user, and I'm considering moving to Debian. What's the support cycle for Debian releases ?
12:41<Ganneff>next stable release plus a year
12:41<Ganneff>3 til 5 that is
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12:41<kikinovak>I heard that starting from Squeeze, releases will be due every year. Is that true ?
12:42<Ganneff>muahahahahaha
12:42<Ganneff>err. i mean - no.
12:42<old>kikinovak: Every two years.
12:42<kikinovak>OK.
12:42<old>kikinovak: ... I think...
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12:43<kisisten>cmn: can i launch it in my laptop as a non su account?
12:43<kikinovak>Is there some "official" support policy ? (Like : CentOS = 7 years ; Fedora = next release + two ; ...) ?
12:43<Ganneff>kikinovak: read what i wrote
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12:43<kikinovak>ah is that the official one ?
12:44<cmn>kikinovak: you can launch it, but you won't be able to capture packets from the network
12:44<cmn>kikinovak: sorry, meant kisisten
12:44<kikinovak>cmn ok
12:45<old>kikinovak: http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090729
12:45<kisisten>cmn: goot it, thanks
12:45<cmn>np
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12:45<kikinovak>old thanks
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12:46<kisisten>cmn: as root I get "Running as user root and group root could be dangerous" Which group should I be in?
12:47<kikinovak>I've been 100% GNU/Linux since 2001, and using Slackware, Debian and CentOS. Only reason I stuck with CentOS was the extra-long support (which is handy on servers). But lately, I thought 3 1/2 years is too long to wait for a new release. Hence my move to Debian.
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12:47<cmn>kisisten: what it means is that running stuff as root is always potentially dangerous
12:47<cmn>it's not about the group
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12:47<kisisten>cmn: but I only can run it as root
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12:48<kisisten>even if I "sudo wireshark" i get same message
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12:48<cmn>it's not only used to capture packets, you can also read packet capture files
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12:48<th3j35t3r>Hi all - having problems with dd I think I have been looking at it too long and cant see wood for trees.
12:49<cmn>which could potentially lead to exploits and if it's running as root, code could do anything
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12:49<icebrain>kisisten: see http://wiki.wireshark.org/CaptureSetup/CapturePrivileges
12:49<th3j35t3r>cat encryptedfile.aes256 | openssl enc -d -aes-256-cbc -pass "pass:$PASS" | dd bs=8 count=1 2>/dev/null
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12:49<kisisten>cmn: ok, so I could just ignore it
12:49<th3j35t3r>keep getting error writing output file
12:49<th3j35t3r>any ideas?
12:50<locklace>dpkg: any ideas?
12:50<dpkg>Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a box full of condoms, a little sauerkraut, and a dozen sex-crazed platypuses. And keep the NSA off my back for the next few minutes!
12:50<old>kikinovak: There is a nice graph illustrating Debian release times on a Wikipedia article.
12:51<kisisten>icebrain: thanks
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13:33<darkferret9>hello
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13:33<darkferret9>I am using Debian Squeeze and I am having trouble configuring xorg
13:34<darkferret9>Every time I start xorg up, it goes to a black screen
13:34<darkferret9>I am using an Intel 855GM graphics controller
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13:42<kelvin>I installed Debian Lxde for a kid but the site he uses says upgrade your browser or install flash plugin
13:42<kelvin>the plugin didn't work
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13:45<devil>kelvin: 64-bit?
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13:45<kelvin>32 bit
13:46<devil>kelvin: then flash should work™.
13:46<devil>kelvin: and whast is: the plugin didn't work?
13:46<kelvin>i installed with aptitude
13:46<devil>installed what?
13:46<kelvin>right it didnt work
13:47<kelvin>i installed the flask plugin
13:47<devil>kelvin: dpkg -l flash* | grep ii gives what
13:47<devil>?
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13:48<kelvin>no package found
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13:48<kelvin> dpkg -l flash* | grep ii right?
13:48<dpkg>ii flash* | grep ii right 2.2-12.3 kelvin's private stamp collection
13:48<devil>kelvin: aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree
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13:49<kelvin>that is what i was told to install
13:49<devil>well, its not installed
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14:07<kelvin>How do i add non-free to /etc/apt/sources.list
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14:09<gilles>kelvin : just add non-free at the end of the line "deb ..."
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14:15<kelvin> etc/apt/source.list Permission denied
14:15<weasel>you need to edit it as root
14:15<kelvin>i logged in as su
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14:17<kelvin>will this work aptitude install synaptic?
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14:17<kelvin>it works
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14:18<kyojin>hello, xchat is not able to open irc links from iceweasel, it always says I misspelled the server, anyone know how to fix this???
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14:35<jhutchins_lt>kyojin: Check the settings for what browser to use and the command it's using to pass the URL.
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14:59<Torsten_W>why schould we do that?
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15:00<_mrn_ver_>i have a clumsy problem : i am using kernel 2.6.32.4 now wnat to upgrade to 2.6.35.4
15:00<_mrn_ver_>i have a clumsy problem : i am using kernel 2.6.32.4 now wnat to upgrade to 2.6.35.4
15:00<_mrn_ver_>i have followed all the instructions of holy book "linux in nutshell"
15:01<_mrn_ver_>everything works fine for configuration ,building and all.but when i restart my system for that entry it shows the kernl panic and shows that /sbin/init not in filesystem
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15:01<_mrn_ver_>and it is also showing that wrong filesystem (root) mounted
15:01<Torsten_W>then you have done something wrong
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15:01<Torsten_W>linux in nutshell is nothing about the debian way of building kernel
15:02<_mrn_ver_>so what to follow?
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15:02<Torsten_W>i would install 2.6.35 from experimental
15:03<Torsten_W>or read a howto about building a kernel on debian way
15:03<_mrn_ver_>will u please explore ur idea?
15:03<locklace>!u
15:03<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201
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15:09<slush>!tell _mrn_ver_ about make-kpkg
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15:10<mAniAk->what could it be if the processor usage shoots through the roof but nothing shows up in top
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15:10<mAniAk->afaik it could be a kernel module but how can you tell
15:11<_mrn_ver_>slush, : i tried "man make-kpkg" in my ubuntu system it is not showing manual entry
15:12<_mrn_ver_>now i am going to google for it
15:13<slush>well, this isn't #ubuntu in the first place, secondly you must have kernel-package installed
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15:15<_mrn_ver_>slush: thank you friend for help
15:15<_mrn_ver_>:)
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15:44<newb>Hello all! I'm with a problem with PHP and GD: the PNG module do not works, the images are always corrupt;;;
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15:44<newb>Tried install png libs, but no sucess
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15:45<kop>newb: You used aptitude to install stock debian packages?
15:45<newb>kop: yes, and the PHP version is 5.2
15:46<kop>!tell newb about errors
15:46<newb>kop: No broken package at sstem
15:46<kop>newb: Nothing in the logs?
15:46<newb>kop: let me force here and see apache logs
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15:49<newb>kop: nothing... thousand of lines, but no good info.... at access log only the get call "192.168.254.18 - - [08/Sep/2010:16:47:50 -0300] "GET ...." and at error log only other errors (file not found for favicon.ico and other files) :(
15:49<newb>let me post the php file
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15:50<kop>newb: If you don't get an answer here try on a php support list, unless you know the code works on another system.
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15:52<newb>kop: http://pastebin.com/qShLXqEb
15:53<newb>kop: The file is simple, it works with jpg, but I need here png
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15:57<newb>kop: The code works at Xampp (M$ Win) machines :(
15:57<jordanm>same php version?
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15:58<newb>let me check
15:58<mAniAk->what could it be if the processor usage (% and load average in top) shoots up through the roof but no process shows up in top
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16:03<newb>jordanm: Debian version: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny8 and sorry, not Xampp, it's wamp 2 with PHP 5.2.11
16:04<jordanm>both being 5.2, I would expect it to be close enough
16:04<kop>mAniAk-: Brute force ssh attackers that come and go quickly?
16:04<jordanm>newb: have you enabled the needed modules in php.ini?
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16:05<kop>mAniAk-: Or something kernel related. Try vmstat.
16:05<newb>jordanm: I think yes, but my problem can be here, can you help me to check the configs?
16:05<kop>mAniAk-: (But I wouldn't think the kernel would raise the load average.
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16:06<kop>newb: use phpinfo() (I think that's the function name) to report on your setup.
16:06<jordanm>newb: no, I am not very familar with with it, outside of enabling modules that a particular web application tells me to
16:07<insigne>marly lima frois
16:07<newb>kop, jordanm: phpinfo() returns me "PNG Support enabled "
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16:08<newb>GD Version 2.0 or higher
16:08<newb>:(
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16:12<kop>,versions php
16:12<judd>Sorry, no package named 'php' was found.
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16:14<kop>newb: Maybe something newer will help. See backports.org.
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16:15<mAniAk->kop: not sur if it has vmstat, its debian sarge D;
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16:17<newb>jordanm, kop: thanks :)
16:20<kop>mAniAk-: Sarge does.
16:20<kop>mAniAk-: Time to upgrade!
16:20<mAniAk->kop: i know
16:20<mAniAk->i started working there last week
16:20<kop>mAniAk-: Follow the release notes.
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16:21<mAniAk->gonna try and clone it and test upgrading and see how fucked up it gets
16:21<kop>mAniAk-: I suppose you could also be rooted.
16:22<kop>mAniAk-: Check the md5 sums on top.
16:22<mAniAk->hmm
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16:25<mAniAk->ill check tomorrow then
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16:25<mAniAk->wonder if iotop works
16:25<mAniAk->kernel is prodably a bit old for that
16:26<jordanm>sarge could run linux 2.6 IIRC
16:26<mAniAk->could yes
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16:29<neocortex>Hello! Anyone knows why flashplugin-nonfree is not present in multimedia?
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16:33<jordanm>neocortex: are you on amd64?\
16:33<neocortex>no
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16:33<neocortex>regular i386
16:33<jordanm>neocortex: well, I believe it is in backports, not multimedia
16:33<jordanm>,versions flashplugin-nonfree
16:33<judd>flashplugin-nonfree -- etch-backports/contrib: 1:1.4~bpo40+1; lenny-backports/contrib: 1:2.8.1~bpo50+1; sid/contrib: 1:2.8.1
16:33<jordanm>yep
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16:33<neocortex>jordanm, it should be in multimedia
16:33<neocortex>jordanm, but it is not in backports too
16:34<jordanm>neocortex: yes it is
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16:34*Supaplex grabs sources to figure out where lspci -k gets its module info
16:34<jordanm>neocortex: do you have contrib enabled for backports? what does uname -r say?
16:35<jordanm>neocortex: http://packages.debian.org/lenny-backports/flashplugin-nonfree
16:35<neocortex>jordanm, 2.6.32-5-686
16:35<jordanm>neocortex: you are on squeeze?
16:35<neocortex>yes
16:36<jordanm>there are no backports for squeeze and its already been removed for the freeze. grab it from sid/contrib
16:36<jordanm>squeeze backports will not start until after it releases
16:37<neocortex>jordanm, And why it is not present in multimedia?
16:37<jordanm>neocortex: I have never known it to be there
16:37<neocortex>jordanm, Yes, it is there
16:37<jordanm>but then again, I don't use multimedia
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16:38<jordanm>neocortex: ask #debian-multimedia
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16:39<neocortex>jordanm, Check: http://www.debianadmin.com/how-to-install-adobe-flash-in-debian-etchlennysid.html
16:40<jordanm>neocortex: that is a two year old article oriented towards etch
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16:40<jordanm>you will have to ask them why they no longer host it, because I don't know nor care
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16:41<neocortex>jordanm, thanks
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16:47*Supaplex ponders atheros_eth might be a remant in the atl1e sources
16:48<Cygnus>I've been trying to update a machine from lenny to squeeze for the whole day. when it reaches open 77481; closed: 220452; deferred 257 conflict 1045 the little .oO animation stops, the cpu used by aptitude drops. Any ideas what might be wrong ?
16:48-!-thkoch [~thkoch@236-12.79-83.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #debian
16:48<Cygnus>The thing never goes beyond the Resolving dependencies part
16:50<mjt>does apt work?
16:50<mjt>apt-get even
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16:50<Cygnus>mjt: yes afaik
16:51<mjt>maybe try updating aptitude first ;)
16:51<Cygnus>mjt: aptitude and the kernel are allready updated
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16:53<mjt>dunno. i usually use apt-get for that stuff
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16:53<mjt>smells like a bug in aptitude
16:53<Supaplex>a bug? nevar!
16:53<Cygnus>mjt: well if it is a bug then tsome serious debugging needs to be done
16:54<mjt>probably
16:54<mjt>but not when it's 00:54 o'clock and sleepy :)
16:55<Cygnus>mjt: thx anyway. Different time zone here
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16:57<Supaplex>interesting. I think I just nailed a kernel module bug. time to reroll some code (one line)
16:58<Cygnus>Supaplex: kernel module dell_laptop seems to have a bug. Blacklisting it makes the wifi work flawlessly
16:58<jordanm>Cygnus: you are trying to use "upgrade" or "safe-upgrade" instead of full-upgrade
16:59<jordanm>Cygnus: it seems that with lenny->squeeze, safe-upgrade never finds a valid solution
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16:59<jordanm>this will likely be documented in the release notes when the time comes
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17:00<Cygnus>jordanm: ok so it was safe-upgrade, switching to full-upgrade
17:00<Supaplex>Cygnus: atl1e aka atheros recently aquired. lspci -k gives spurious info because the driver name does not match the module name. here goes nothing. (compiled, but modprobe -r and reloading new one now)
17:00<jordanm>Cygnus: are you aware of udev issues?
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17:01<Cygnus>jordanm: second machine on this bumpy road now
17:01<jespada>Cygnus,
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17:01<jordanm>!tell Cygnus about udev squeeze
17:01<jespada>try this:
17:01*jordanm has likely done 10+ upgrades...
17:01<Supaplex>dpkg: test
17:01<dpkg>Test failed.
17:02<Supaplex>haha. awesome. some tcp retransmits later, and I'm still alive. :P
17:02<jespada>UPGRADING DEBIAN
17:02<jespada>1- UPDATE
17:02<jespada> # apt-get update
17:02<jespada>2- UPGRADE
17:02<jespada> # apt-get upgrade (Install The Latest Etch Updates Before upgrading to Lenny, install the latest updates for Etch)
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17:03<Supaplex>buhuhaha. sed -i s/atheros_eth/atl1e/ src/at_common_main.c ftw
17:03<Supaplex>lspci -k is happy now.
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17:04<Cygnus>jordanm: it seems everything is running at the moment
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17:29<marios>jnn
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17:31<iAmerikan>Can someone direct me to the sid #?
17:31<Cygnus>ITYM #sidux @irc.freenode.net
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17:32<iAmerikan>ITIM debian testing
17:33<Cygnus>iAmerikan: if you need to ask you are not ready yet
17:33<iAmerikan>Not ready for what, exactly?
17:34<Cygnus>!debian
17:34<dpkg>hmm... debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents
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17:34<iAmerikan>I love the pretentiousness
17:34<iAmerikan>really great touch
17:35<iAmerikan>Is there a python repo somewhere? Or a way I can update my python to at least 2.6.6-1
17:36<retrospectacus>sid is not really supported anywhere. sid users are expected to be able to fix their own problems, which will be many
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17:37<bremner>iAmerikan: 2.6.6 is in sid
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17:38<iAmerikan>Well let's pretend I didn't mention sid at all, I'm trying to install the hplip driver, it requires python v. 2.6.6-1 but I have 2.6.5-13, is there an easy way to update it?
17:38<old>retrospectacus: Not that many unless one is running some experimental software.
17:39<Cygnus>!tell iAmerikan about ssb
17:39<blarson>,versions python
17:39<judd>python -- etch: 2.4.4-2; lenny: 2.5.2-3; squeeze: 2.6.5-13; sid: 2.6.6-1
17:39<Cygnus>iAmerikan: Although i've heard it is a pain to compile
17:40<old>iAmerikan: If you already have 2.6 it should be safe to upgrade from sid without switching the whole system to it.
17:40<iAmerikan>judd, I'm using squeeze with sid sources.
17:41<Cygnus>iAmerikan: you should be ok getting python from sid directly
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17:41<old>iAmerikan: You have failed the anti-Touring test. ;) Judd is a bot.
17:42<old>s/ou/u/
17:43<old>iAmerikan: Is `apt-get -t unstable install python` what you are looking for?
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17:44<lindi->old: really?
17:44<lindi->hearing "safe", "python" and "unstable" in the same sentence sounds wrong
17:45<luser>If you want to be safe, avoid python unstable ;-p
17:45<iAmerikan>I would if hplip didn't throw a dependency fit.
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17:46<iAmerikan>I solved the problem thanks for the 'help' #debian
17:46<bremner>what hplip are you installing?
17:47<Cygnus>depends hplip --release squeeze
17:47<Cygnus>,depends hplip --release squeeze
17:47<judd>hplip -- depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6~), libcups2 (>= 1.4.0), libdbus-1-3 (>= 1.0.2), libhpmud0 (= 3.10.6-1), libsane (>= 1.0.11-3), libssl0.9.8 (>= 0.9.8m-1), hplip-data (= 3.10.6-1), hplip-cups (= 3.10.6-1), libsane-hpaio (= 3.10.6-1), python (>> 2.6), python (<< 2.7), python-support (>= 0.90.0), python-dbus (>= 0.80), python-imaging, python-pexpect, coreutils (>= 5.1.0), lsb-base (>= 3), adduser (>= 3.34), cups
17:47<judd>(>= 1.1.20), cups-client (>= 1.1.20), policykit-1.
17:47<old>lindi-: I meant it should be dependency hell safe. I didn't know Python is unsafe...
17:47<lindi->old: a lot of stuff depends on python
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17:48<mallards>i recently rebooted my 5.0.6 system and when it came back back up /dev/sdc is missing - any ideas?
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17:49<mallards>dmesg doesnt show the drive at all
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17:50<old>lindi-: Right, but most of it doesn't require specific version after the second point. (I am missing vocabulary here, sorry)
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17:51<bremner>minor version>
17:51<bremner>?
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18:00<old>bremner: Thank you. Or isn't it a revision?
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18:06<Cygnus>While installing i keep getting this "manconv cant't set the locale; make sure $LC_* and *LANG are correct" I know it will get fixed eventually through out the install process, Question is can it be avoided ?
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18:06<luser>cygnus - yup, unset all LANG and LC_ environmental variables before runnning the perl script
18:07<Cygnus>luser: that is part of the upgrade process ?
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18:09<luser>no - get into a shell and do it all by command line
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18:11<Cygnus>luser: naahh I'll let perl complain till it gets bored or the right locales get installed :)
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18:17<luser>cygnus - the complaints are harmless
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18:18<luser>I put up with them for about 6 months and then decided I didn't give a fork about locales, so just went for the default
18:18<Cygnus>luser: problem is that user of this machine does not speak English :(
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18:19<luser>cygnus - sorry, not in a position to help :-I
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18:20<luser>cygnus - but AFAICT tghe warnings are harmless
18:21<Cygnus>luser: yes, eventually when the upgrade reaches the locales part they will automagically disappear
18:21<luser>*phew*, so no harm done.
18:22<luser>I hare unnnecessary wrnings
18:22<luser>r=t
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18:50<Cygnus>For the record the upgrade from lenny to squeeze refused to update xfce4 it dropped me into gnome by default
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18:51<luser>it's almost the same
18:51<abrotman>are you saying you didn't even have gnome installed? and it installed it ?
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18:52<witte>Cygnus: is xfce4 removed, or is gdm updated and the default session has changed?
18:52<Cygnus>abrotman: i believe this machine had also gnome installed but it refused to upgrade xfce
18:52<Cygnus>witte: xfce4 war removed
18:52<Cygnus>s/war/was/
18:53<luser>Are you saying that you _do_? Man, the world's gone on a steep downward spiral in the last 20 years...
18:53<abrotman>luser: do you need help?
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18:53<luser>Yes - but I ask it in #debianppc
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18:54<amphi>DEs are a plague
18:54<Cygnus>actually gdm was not updated to gdm3 as i expected
18:54<abrotman>does anyone actually want to help him ?
18:54<luser>of course, when I say 20 years, I probaly mean 30
18:55<abrotman>Cygnus: it wouldn't be, you're to explicitly install gdm3 (though there is a separate set of conditions that can suck it in)
18:55<Cygnus>abrotman: does gdm will still be supported after squeeze ?
18:55<abrotman>judd: info gdm --release squeeze
18:55<judd>gdm (gnome, optional): GNOME Display Manager. Version: 2.20.11-1; Size: 4684.0k; Installed: 16432k; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/gdm
18:55<abrotman>sure seems that way
18:55<abrotman>dunno about after squeeze, but it is currently
18:56<abrotman>if it is not after squeeze, they will make 'gdm' a transitional package in wheezy
18:56<Cygnus>abrotman: i do happen to support windows machines using xdmcp wich depends on gdm for the moment
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18:56<Cygnus>abrotman: thx for the info
18:57<luser>cygnus - it's always worth checking what's being pulled in as a dependency when you upgrade something.
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19:00<Cygnus>abrotman: looking further into the problem it was lxde, sorry a confusion on my part and it was the lxde-settings-daemon that was preventing lxde from beeing installed guess aptitude thought it was not needed at all
19:01<abrotman>weird
19:01<cockroach>hey. i'm trying to get a laptop with an ipw2100 card to work but it can't seem to connect to wpa networks - i keep getting "wpa_supplicant[1598]: Association request to the driver failed"
19:02<cockroach>(don't have a non-encrypted network to try whether it's a wpa issue)
19:02<Cygnus>cockroach: check that you can scan for other networks using iwlist scan
19:03<cockroach>Cygnus: i can, i seem them all
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19:05<luser>cockroach - have you worked your way through http://www.wirelessdefence.org/Contents/LinuxWirelessCommands.htm
19:05<cockroach>Cygnus: i guess this is related: if i try to change the card's channel (iwconfig wlan chan 2) i get "SET failed on device wlan ; Operation not supported"...
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19:06<cockroach>luser: thanks for the link, i'm quite familiar with the commands though (also, just in case, i tried a few frontends like network-manager and, err, the other thing)
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19:07<cockroach>the other thing == wicd
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19:07<cockroach>also, it *used* to work (the same machine was running lenny a few weeks ago, then the hard drive crashed and i installed squeeze. now it's not working anymore)
19:08<traveler>did you try turning it off and back on again? ;)
19:08<cockroach>i tried downgrading the kernel and the ipw firmware to lenny, didn't help
19:08<cockroach>traveler: lol
19:08<traveler>=)
19:08<cockroach>traveler: also, yes. i even put the harddrive + wlan card in another, identical laptop. still doesn't work
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19:09<Cygnus>cockroach: first of all set network-manager off on squeeze it interferes a lot with manual configuration
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19:09<Cygnus>cockroach: second step be sure that you have the correct firmware
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19:10<Cygnus>configure it manually till you can scan for networks
19:10<witte>!ipw2100
19:10<dpkg>ipw2100 is the driver for Intel PRO/Wireless 2100 802.11b chipsets, included in Linux since 2.6.14. Firmware is required, ask me about <non-free sources> and install the firmware-ipw2x00 package to provide. http://wiki.debian.org/ipw2200 #ipw2100 on irc.freenode.net.
19:10<traveler>not that familiar with that chipset, but on my broadcom i do have to blacklist
19:10<cockroach>Cygnus: ok, turned off nm. i did check the firmware, it seems to be the same version as on the upstream website (at least it says so and the file size is identical, didn't check md5 though)
19:11<witte>cockroach: dmesg should say something about firmware or ipw i think
19:11<cockroach>as for the wiki page: yes, the firmware is loaded and the LED is on :)
19:12<cockroach>witte: it says "pw2100 0000:02:02.0: firmware: requesting ipw2100-1.3.fw" and doesn't complain afterwards - i assume this means that it was successful?
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19:12<Cygnus>cockroach: lsmod |grep ipw
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19:13<cockroach>Cygnus: contains ipw2100, libipw and lib80211
19:13<witte>cockroach: looks like that is ok if it does not complain (don't have that card, so i can't check what it should say)
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19:14<witte>cockroach: are your wpa combinations correct: wpa/wpa2 TKIP/AES/...
19:14<cockroach>witte: iirc it complains if it's missing - has been a while, though
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19:15<cockroach>witte: you mean on the other side? afaict yes, i can connect using my other laptops (one lenny, one mac), my cell phone and the ps3 - should be ok :)
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19:16<witte>ok, that is usually my problem, i know that it is wpa2, but than you still have several option, and it usually takes a while to figure out which one on my laptop fits :-)
19:16<cockroach>heh
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19:17<cockroach>i mean, it *could* be that this particular card doesn't like that combination, i don't know how much of it is hardware dependant
19:18<witte>if it worked before it should work now as well...
19:18<cockroach>but the only other card that i can fit in the laptop is an aironet one and from what i hear they're not entirely problem-free either
19:18<Cygnus>cockroach: hmm just checking the laptop i am upgrading and it seems as witte all ready said that everything looks fine.
19:18<witte>stupid question, but you did install wpasupplicant
19:18<cockroach>witte: that's the one thing that i cannot verify - i'm not sure i ever used it here, i know it used to work on other networks...
19:18<cockroach>witte: lol, yes
19:19<witte>cockroach: just checking :-)
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19:19<cockroach>witte: otherwise i probably wouldn't get the "wpa_supplicant[1815]: Association request to the driver failed" message :)
19:19<cockroach>witte: heh, i know
19:19<witte>cockroach: you have a point there :-)
19:20<Cygnus>cockroach: the only way i know that firmware can be checked is scanning for nearby networks without connecting to them
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19:20<cockroach>Cygnus: so the fact that i get that list (13 networks) should imply that the firmware is ok?
19:21<cockroach>also, i still think the fact that i cannot switch channel with iwconfig is ... rather interesting
19:21<cockroach>(i *can* switch channel if i use ad-hoc mode)
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19:22<Cygnus>cockroach: yes
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19:23<luser>To be honest, I'd not trust error values reported by wlan drivers
19:23<cockroach>then again, interestingly, when i ifdown the interface and try to bring it up manually i have what looks like unicode garbage in the essid field. might point to some issue between firmware/kernel/userspace. *sigh* :)
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19:24<luser>cockroach - that looks like a kernel issue, the interface is trivial, it's a sequence of octets
19:25<cockroach>luser: but i also tried with 2.6.26 from lenny, doesn't work any better
19:25<luser>cockroach - could well be the kernel's been buggy since then
19:25<luser>I discovered a kernel bug from 2008 just yesterday
19:25<cockroach>luser: then why did it work before the reinstall? :)
19:25<cockroach>luser: lol
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19:26<luser>cockroach, it depends on what you re-installed. And no, I wasn't joking, my $DAYJOB is kernel developer, and I did discover a very mundane bug
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19:27<cockroach>also, i failed to get the aironet card to connect too, thus i'm wondering whether it might actually be a user-space issue (with eg. wpasupplicant). but from what i read it could also be that the aironet driver needs to be custom made & stuff to support wpa.
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19:27<pyr00>where can i get some help setting up a debian server as web and ftp server only...?? i tried to search google but almost everything points to setting up debian as ISPConfig server....
19:28<cockroach>luser: sweet, kernel developer. i'm a little scared now :)
19:28<luser>cocckroach - me too
19:28<cockroach>luser: everything. fresh install from scratch (installed lenny base system, then dist-upgraded to squeeze)
19:28<luser>Gonna submit a patch to lkml tomorrow with 'braindead' in the subject line, criticising Linus's code from about 1995
19:29<cockroach>oh noes, you'll have your virtual ass kicked...
19:29<witte>cockroach: there is an ipw2100 channel on freenode
19:29<amphi>luser: that'll go down well ;)
19:29<cockroach>witte: ah, sweet, hadn't thought of that. will try, thanks.
19:30<witte>and there seem to be many people with issues on getting online with wpa and that card, but many of them are old posts or use ubuntu
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19:30<luser>amphi - I've been dared to do do it by my workmates (I work for one of the top 20 kernel contributors), and I'm that kind of idiot I might just do it.
19:30<cockroach>witte: yep, i saw lots of those but somehow issues from 2006 seem ... hopefully irrelevant :)
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19:31<amphi>luser: ;)
19:32<luser>cockroach - was it actually unicode garbage, or just 8-bit garbage?
19:32<cockroach>luser: not sure, probably just 8-bit garbage. i'll paste-bin it once i get back inside
19:33<luser>unicode would be weird. sounds more like it would be uninitialised memory
19:34<cockroach>luser: it does look like uninitialized memory to me - then again, i'm not an expert there
19:34<cockroach>also, since i'm using a unicode xterm, unicode garbage it highly unlikely. sometimes a little thinking might help :)
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19:36<cockroach>luser: looks like this: http://pastebin.ca/1936164
19:37<luser>holy moses - that's some pretty messed up data
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19:38<cockroach>heh, indeed
19:38<cockroach>also, stupid laptop won't take my ipw2200 card because it's not in the list of allowed devices, so i can't completely rule out hardware issues...
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19:39<luser>the problem with ipw2100 is that the source of the data is within a non-open-source blob. You could probaby recompile the kernel with some more debug info for the open source side of the driver, but that might not help at all
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19:40<cockroach>the ipw2100 module has a debug option but that didn't tell me any particularly useful things (such as, anything containing words like "error" etc.)...
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19:47<luser>module_param(debug, int, 0444);
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19:50<luser>look slike the real debug stuff can only be enabled at compile time
19:50<cockroach>ah, sucks
19:51<witte>cockroach: another stupid question: the router is not only 802.11g, right?
19:51<luser>install kernel-package, and build your own kernel with all that crap in the modules!
19:51<witte>as the ipw2100 is a 11b module
19:51<cockroach>witte: good question, actually. let me check
19:52<cockroach>witte: i think it is, iwconfig says "IEEE 802.11g". i guess ipw2100 doesn't do g? :)
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19:54<witte>don't know, but they kind of forget to put b/g on this page: http://ipw2100.sourceforge.net/
19:54<witte>cockroach: most routers can be configured to do both (and are default set to that)
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19:55*blarson has never seen a device that can do g but not b.
19:56<cockroach>witte: i'm trying atm, that is i already told it to do b+g (it's openwrt) but it seems to ignore me...
19:56<luser>is https://bugs.launchpad.net/intellinuxwireless/+bug/24776 relevant?
19:57<luser>different error message, but lots of keywords similar
19:57<cockroach>luser: i didn't see any firmware restart messages, but i'll check my logs
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20:00<cockroach>ok, fail. utter and complete fail. after changing the router to b+g it works. sorry for wasting everybody's time :)
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20:00<amphi>cockroach: ipw2100 is only b, I think; ipw2200 introduce g support
20:00<amphi>*introduced
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20:00<cockroach>witte: also, thanks for the suggestions, i'd *NEVER* have thought of that.
20:01<luser>cockroach - I have an ipw2100 myself - I never use it, but I might be included to try now!
20:01<cockroach>also, i wasted roughly 10 hours trying to fix that, including the transport of a second laptop through half my country (it's kinda small), i guess that's punishment enough :)
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20:02<luser>Oi! your country;s not small!
20:02<cockroach>no, the country :)
20:02<cockroach>huh, i fail at typing. i meant to say "yes, it is" :)
20:02<luser>good call witte!
20:03<witte>cockroach: lucky guess :-)
20:03<witte>cockroach: there was not much more that could be the cause
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20:03<luser>witte - you don;t know the guys behind our wireless driver - I'd blame them 9 times out of 10!
20:04<cockroach>witte: true, but still, it's one of those "i should have thought of that" moments. i *hate* those :)
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20:05<cockroach>luser: i tend to blame driver devs too. i had some highly frustrating times with madwifi, i'm not sure i'll ever fully recover from that.
20:06<luser>witte: I'd still say it was an ipw2100 driver problem - error reporting is an important part of driver development
20:06<luser>oh, a memory allocation failed - who cares!
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20:07<cockroach>i'm still puzzled by the inability to change frequencies though. that was weird.
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20:08<cockroach>ok, next completely unrelated question: what's the best way of posting a follow-up on a bug report that was closed? should i reopen it? or leave that to the maintainer?
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20:13<witte>cockroach: how long is it closed?
20:14<witte>cockroach: if it is relatively recent i would reopen it, else i would make a new one and refer to the other (but i only reported a few bugs so far...)
20:14<cockroach>witte: 10 Jul 2010
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20:15<witte>cockroach: i think i would reopen it if you are sure it is the same
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20:16<cockroach>witte: it is the same, i was the original reporter :)
20:17<cockroach>witte: ok, will reopen. thanks.
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20:30<l337>anyone use e17?
20:30<l337>??
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20:30<l337>anyone here?
20:31<dondelelcaro>l337: best to just ask your question
20:31<l337>lol
20:31<blarson>!tell l337 about anyone
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20:32<l337>well ok then
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20:32<l337>how stable is E17 w/ debian?
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20:33<l337>say maybe a svn version?
20:33<dondelelcaro>l337: you can see the bugs here: http://bugs.debian.org/src:e17
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20:33<l337>awsome
20:34<witte>l337: seems that it is only in unstable
20:35<l337>I'm aware
20:35<l337>I've tried it with ubuntu and find that it crashes too much
20:36<dondelelcaro>she didn't actually know them off the top of her head; someone else who is working part time did the actual experiments, and was busy
20:36<dondelelcaro>err, echan
20:36<l337>E16 all the way for now
20:36*abrotman was trying to fit that in somewhere
20:36<dondelelcaro>l337: honestly, if it were me, I'd switch to something like awesome or similar, but YMMV
20:37<l337>Never heard
20:37<l337>will lookup
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20:41<amphi>l337: or xmonad ;)
20:43<franki^>l337: Or Openbox (If we're plugging our favourite WMs)
20:44<l337>I'm fond of E 16 so far, and Openbox as a second choice.
20:45<franki^>Good second choice ;)
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20:49<amphi>yeah, I liked openbox
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20:51<l337>hmm xmonad looks promising
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20:52<l337>is it light on resources?
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20:53<amphi>l337: yes
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20:53<amphi>l337: using ~9MB ATM here
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21:21<EmleyMoor>Is there a way to inhibit the screensaver when running xine?
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23:25<yodaki>What's up all.
23:26<yodaki>I need some help with something. Can anyone help?
23:26<EmleyMoor>!ask
23:26<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
23:26<Xenguy>yodaki: just ask
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23:27<yodaki>I need to find out how to upload a new server.
23:27<yodaki>Well connect to one, that is.
23:28<EmleyMoor>What kind of server?
23:28<Xenguy>yodaki: what do you actually want to accomplish?
23:28<yodaki>One my friend put up...
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23:29<EmleyMoor>Connect to the whatever-it-is server with a whatever-it-is client. If you need more information, so do we
23:29*Xenguy waits for a coherent response...
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23:29<Xenguy>hah
23:30<Xenguy>it was just too much for him to speak clearly - the mental effort
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23:30<Xenguy>he's back - speak
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23:30<yodaki>Sorry about that.
23:31<yodaki>So then... how would I go about resolving my issue?
23:31<Xenguy>yodaki: describe it clearly =)
23:31<EmleyMoor>yodaki: First, tell us exactly what it is you are trying to do
23:32<Xenguy>.oO(good questions = good answers)
23:32<yodaki>I'm trying to connect to my friend's server...
23:32<Xenguy>and do what?
23:32<yodaki>Talk to him.
23:32<yodaki><_<
23:32<EmleyMoor>And what does your friend's server serve?
23:32<yodaki>Excuse me?
23:32<Xenguy>yodaki: talk to him how?
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23:33<yodaki>The way I'm talking to you two.
23:33<Xenguy>yodaki: IRC?
23:33<EmleyMoor>Oh, you mean he's running an IRC server?
23:33<yodaki>There you go.
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23:33<Xenguy>yodaki: no, there *you* go
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23:33<EmleyMoor>Do you have the FQDN or public IP of his system?
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23:34<yodaki>Yeah I do.
23:34<EmleyMoor>OK - /server it
23:34<Xenguy>or possibly /connect
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23:36*Xenguy waits with bated breath...
23:36<EmleyMoor>/connect maybe - that's irssi - /server is the closest thing IRC has to a standard command for it
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23:36<Xenguy>EmleyMoor: makes sense
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23:37*Xenguy shrugs...
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23:38<yodaki>...
23:38<yodaki>No dice.
23:38<yodaki>It might not be up.
23:38<EmleyMoor>What happened?
23:38<EmleyMoor>Ah, well, that's possible
23:39<Xenguy>yodaki: can you ping it?
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23:40<yodaki>msg
23:40<yodaki>Sweet. I'm starting to remember commands.
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23:41<yodaki>msg Xenguy I'll try.
23:41<Xenguy>yodaki: or maybe telnet foo 6667 ?
23:41<Xenguy>yodaki: not sure if the last one works
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23:43<yodaki>I'll see.
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23:44<Xenguy>try ping first
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23:45<yodaki>I'll brb...
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