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---Logopened Thu Sep 09 00:00:32 2010
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00:04<wx9j>dual boot , win xp and debian, after install xp worked but after debian install xp wont boot, Debian still does.
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00:05<seeS>does it have an option to boot winxp?
00:05<worellana>wx9j: apt-get install osprober
00:06<wx9j>Yes it does, and it starts but then BSOD and says unmountable boot
00:06<wx9j>worellana, what is that ?
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00:07<worellana>wx9j: nevermind
00:08<wx9j>worellana, I am doing it now, just want to learn a bit more
00:08<worellana>wx9j: http://joey.kitenet.net/code/os-prober/
00:09<wx9j>worellana, thanks
00:09<worellana>wx9j: you're welcome
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00:10<wx9j>woodcruft, I switched from Ubuntu to learn a bit more , seems the folks here are easier to answer new guys
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00:59<nancy>bye
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01:07<knoppix_>hi
01:07<knoppix_>anyone here?
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01:07<Guest161>hi
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01:11<Guest161>i need help please :(
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01:12<Guest161>how do i install firefox?
01:13<Pryon>apt-get install iceweasel
01:13<Pryon>or aptitude install iceweasel
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01:16<Guest161>not iceweasel i mean firefox
01:17<Pryon>http://download.mozilla.org/?product=firefox-3.6.9&os=linux&lang=en-US
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01:19<Guest161>ok its open in zarchiver
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01:19<Guest161>xarchiver
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01:20<mAniAk->follow some howto or the readme
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01:25<Guest161>well the real issue is just getting videos to play on the web browser
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01:33<Guest161>well...thanx
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01:38<paranoidphreak>hi everybody, i'm trying to give a user named mike access to a root command ("imsniff"); i want this command to be able to run without using: "sudo imsniff", just imsniff; i tried adding the following commands within visudo: "mike ALL= NOPASSWD: /usr/sbin/imsniff" and also tried the following in a seperate occasion: "mike ALL= NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/imsniff" but it still doesn't give the user permission to execute this command. can anyone help me plz?
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01:41<ansgar>paranoidphreak: Adding entries to sudoers will not magically make the system run sudo. Try a shell alias ('alias imsniff="sudo imsniff").
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01:43<Guest161>can anyone help me get youtube working?
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01:50<paranoidphreak>ansgar: i'm sorry but i'm new to linux; do you mean adding the following command in sudoers file to just run this command inside a terminal? by the way, the only reason i want this is because sometimes this program closes unexpectedly and i want in to be relaunched; i have written several lines within a script with the following command on each line: "sudo imsniff >> imfile" but when it closes unexpectedly, it continues command on the next line bu
01:50<paranoidphreak>t it won't execute until i provide the password. is there any other way to get around the password request or i should do as you said earlier?
01:51<paranoidphreak>to just run this command inside -----> "or just run this command inside"
01:52<lindi->paranoidphreak: try 'mike ALL=(root) NOPASSWD:/usr/sbin/imsniff ""' and then 'sudo /usr/sbin/imsniff'
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01:54<lindi->paranoidphreak: you omit the "" then you might just as well run everything as root...
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01:58<lindi->I bet there's a security vulnerability in imsniff that allows you to execute code
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02:01<paranoidphreak>lindi-: should i add the following commands on the same sudoers line because it didn't accept it when i added it on two different lines
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02:02<paranoidphreak>lindi-: what do you mean security vulnerability? it's an IM sniffer
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02:04<lindi->paranoidphreak: what following commands?
02:05<lindi->paranoidphreak: yeah, 1) you run the sniffer as root 2) I send a malicious packet 3) imsniff does not handle the packet and allows me to take control of it => I control your PC
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02:08<paranoidphreak>lindi-: i've added the following commands within 'sudoers': mike ALL=(root) NOPASSWD:/usr/sbin/imsniff "" and on a seperate line i added: sudo /usr/sbin/imsniff but it gives me an error
02:09<paranoidphreak>lindi-: oh shoot; so, should i stick with msgsnarf instead?
02:09<lindi->paranoidphreak: er? "sudo /usr/sbin/imsniff" is a command. not something you put to sudoers
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02:10<paranoidphreak>lindi-: oh....got it
02:10<lindi->paranoidphreak: no idea
02:10<lindi->but imsniff source code does not impress me
02:11<paranoidphreak>lindi-: ok, i'll keep that in mind; i'm not a programmer by the way
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02:12<paranoidphreak>lindi-: thanks alot, it did the trick
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02:15<paranoidphreak>lindi-: i only run these sniffing tools within my network and i'm the only one who has some knowledge of this stuff and my family members are noob
02:16<lindi->paranoidphreak: that brings up some ethical questions
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02:17<Yodaki>What's up all. Anyone alive?
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02:19<l337>xmonad is very simple
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02:20<l337>dzen is a pain
02:20<paranoidphreak>lindi-: yes i understand but i like to keep tabs on my children's online behaviours; i can't install a keylogger on their laptops because they take it to school and i don't want to take a risk of others having access to the logged info. so, i could only monitor them within my network
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02:21<l337>creepy
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02:21<Yodaki>You gotta do what you gotta do, feel me?
02:22<l337>no
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02:23<Yodaki>Well in pertaining to what paranoidphreak was saying...
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02:23<l337>I understand that
02:24<l337>but still
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02:24<Yodaki>I was saying how I could agree with that, if I had kids, and all.
02:25<l337>if I was your kid I'd wouldn't like you
02:25<Yodaki>Tough.
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02:26<paranoidphreak>l337: lol, yeah tough luck......kids can do some stupid things
02:26<Yodaki>I mean, I was exposed to things of an adult nature at a very young age due to my parents not knowing about Internet security.
02:26<l337>Unless your child gives you a reason to suspect they are hacking government computers or watching animal porn
02:27<l337>I don't see why
02:27<l337>But to each there own
02:27<paranoidphreak>Yodaki: i really don't care if they watch porn....i'm more worried about drugs and those types of things
02:28<l337>lol
02:28<l337>if your that worried they have progs that block adult content
02:28<paranoidphreak>Yodaki, l337: come on, watching porn is natural
02:29<Yodaki>Well yeah, I guess.
02:29<l337>the idea of spying is just a little much
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02:29<paranoidphreak>Yodaki, l337: but drugs can ruin your life
02:29<l337>when you have an option to block them all together
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02:30<l337>well your computer doesn't hand you drugs does it?
02:30<l337>if anything you'll find information about them
02:31<l337>which can be a good thing
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02:31<paranoidphreak>l337: yeah, i guess but from logging their conversations, you can have better understanding of whether they are on the path of really f***ing up
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02:32<l337>well chat sessions thats a whole different ball game
02:32<Yodaki>I do "drugs".
02:33<l337>ok
02:33<l337>well I guess your sn suits you
02:33<paranoidphreak>Yodaki: prescriptions??? lol
02:33<l337>he's scared
02:34<l337>Its ok we know
02:34<paranoidphreak>ok, cya, i gotta get some sleep
02:35<l337>well don't let your kiddos know about your little sceam
02:35<l337>I wouldn't like the idea of my parents watching everything I talk about and do on my computer
02:36<l337>anywho
02:36<Yodaki>In a sense.
02:36<l337>good luck parenting!
02:36<Yodaki>Marijuana is the shit...
02:36<l337>LOL
02:36<l337>it is
02:36<l337>but it also is a .... drug!
02:37<l337>drug = means dried herb
02:37<l337>drived from the word drog I believe
02:37<l337>something to that effect
02:38<l337>pills aren't drugs
02:38<l337>they are chemicals
02:38<l337>:)
02:38<l337>marijuana is a drug
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02:39<l337>anywho completely off topic
02:40<Yodaki>I mean "weed" is moreorless a plant.
02:40<Yodaki>And nothing more.
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02:41<bremner>you might be interested in channel #debian-offtopic
02:41<l337>lol
02:41<l337>yeah
02:41<l337>#offtopic
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02:42<l337>well I'm having trouble with dzen
02:42<l337>in xmonad
02:42<l337>window manger
02:43<l337>I can't get dzen to work
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02:43<bremner>l337: there are a few xmonad users here, but of course the best place is #xmonad on freednode
02:43<bremner>I use xmonad, but not dzen
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03:03<Yodaki>Wow, dead.
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03:04<Hydroxide>Yodaki: not that many time zones are paying attention to IRC now, at least not that speak english and want Debian support :)
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03:05<Yodaki>I feel that.
03:05<Yodaki>I speak more than one language...
03:05<Hydroxide>Yodaki: me too :)
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03:06<Hydroxide>Yodaki: anyway, stick around for the next 12-16 hours and you'll have a huge amount of chatter in your #debian window
03:08<Yodaki>I feel that.
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04:38<Yodaki>nickserv
04:39<Yodaki>Bah, humbug.
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05:10<lethias>Question, I know ubuntu has adobe air for installation, but is debian able to install adobe air the same as well?
05:13<EmleyMoor>lethias: I have heard it may work on i386 but I have found it not possible on amd64
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05:19<pololoq>lethias: you may want to try this, but never tested it: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=52614
05:19<lethias>EmleyMoor, ok, thats what I wondered.
05:20<lethias>I've ran a version of ubuntu with it on it but it was 32bit, but the system I'm currently on is lenny amd64
05:22<lethias>pololoq, thanks, probably won't, not feelin adventurous enough. haha just got my system running smoothly.
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05:23<locklace>look at the bright side: without adobe software, your system runs much better
05:24<lethias>so very true lol
05:25<lethias>Only reason I was wanting it was to use tweetdeck, and to install twitlive desktop app. Nothing true essential.
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05:27<lethias>I'd use twitux for twitter, but I'm not liking that app for twitter at all.
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05:37<lethias>Thank ya for the help.
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05:59<evil-e>Hey everybody.
06:00<zeroXten>any reason why an mdadm --grow wouldn't actually grow the device, but also not return an error?
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06:23<usuario>ola
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06:26<tuxcrafter>i forgot how to check what serial belongs to a adapter
06:26<tuxcrafter>can somebody help me out
06:26<tuxcrafter>i got /dev/ttyS0 to S4
06:29<petemc>dmesg
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06:30<stork>is there a way to safely remove totem? when i apt-get remove totem-commons it also removes all the Gnome packages, all the forums say not to do it, but there must be a way
06:31<tuxcrafter>i found it
06:31<tuxcrafter>lspci -nn -d 14d2:8010 -vv
06:31<tuxcrafter>setserial -g /dev/ttyS*
06:31<tuxcrafter>check for irq
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06:37<the-dude>tuxcrafter: dmesg|grep -i tty ?
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06:45<tuxcrafter>the-dude: will also work on pci id [ 0.439259] 0000:05:06.0: ttyS0 at I/O 0xae00 (irq = 20) is a 16550A
06:46<tuxcrafter>just a bid wierd my serial console does not work with inittab rules i used for other serial systemens with build in serial ports
06:47<tuxcrafter>cant figure out if i need a strait of nullmodem cable
06:47<the-dude>afaik null
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06:51<tuxcrafter>jups null modem works
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06:56<tuxcrafter>so now i finaly saw wat was wrong
06:56<tuxcrafter>hwclock --systohc
06:58<tuxcrafter>hmms also lots and lots of /devices/virtual/block/md2 issues
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06:58<tuxcrafter>with udev and mdadm
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07:28<tuxcrafter>any idea what udevd[67]: get_netlink_msg: unable to receive kernel netlink message: No buffer space available
07:28<tuxcrafter> means
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07:34<tuxcrafter>http://debian.pastebin.com/t3gsYTLd
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07:34<tuxcrafter>somebody that know why mdadm and udev are givving issues
07:34<tuxcrafter>my screen doesn have a bigger backscrol
07:35<SOUL_OF_R00T>nice day to all
07:35<tuxcrafter>if somebody know how to make screen have a bigger buffer for scrollbacks then i can capture the complete boot
07:36<rpetre>tuxcrafter: man screen says -h
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07:46<ICETEA>test
07:47<ICETEA>..
07:47<tuxcrafter>i use T0:23:respawn:/sbin/getty -f /etc/issue.linuxlogo.ascii -L ttyS0 115200 vt100
07:48<tuxcrafter>but i cant get it to work on the systems i am working on
07:48<tuxcrafter>the diffrence with other systems is that this system has a pci serial adapter instead of a build in
07:48<tuxcrafter>i know ttyS0 is the right device
07:48<tuxcrafter>my boot option do work
07:49<tuxcrafter>GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="rootfstype=ext4 elevator=deadline acpi=off ipv6.disable=1 console=ttyS0,115200"
07:49<tuxcrafter>tghat works
07:49<tuxcrafter>so i see the boot log but dont get a login
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07:54<ICETEA>any backtrack forum here?
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08:08<imperia>how do i set gfxpayload=keep for grub .. without editing grub.cfg manually or 00_header file... can i set this in /etc/default/grub ?
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08:12<tuxcrafter>http://debian.pastebin.com/drq64AkN < can somebody help me with this issue?
08:12<tuxcrafter>its about mdadm and udev issues at boot
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08:13<tuxcrafter>rpetre: -h worked thanks! you have to put the -h in front of the other options else it does not seem to work
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08:17<tuxcrafter>i found http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=590319
08:17<tuxcrafter>but it is closed as fixed upstream
08:17<tuxcrafter>but that does not help when using testing
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09:07<tuxcrafter>nobody?
09:08<gsimmons>imperia: GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX=keep should do what you want.
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09:13<seck5hun8>Not a lot of talk in here
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09:17<imperia>gsimmons: in /etc/default/grub?
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09:17<gsimmons>imperia: That's right.
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09:18<imperia>thanks!
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09:35<tuxcrafter>http://debian.pastebin.com/QJQNY9ge
09:35<tuxcrafter>i copied my inittab over from a working system
09:35<tuxcrafter>i want to have a tty on my vga and on my serial console
09:36<tuxcrafter>howerver i dont get a getty process at all
09:36<tuxcrafter>if i start getty manually from a ssh login
09:36<tuxcrafter>it will pop up
09:36<tuxcrafter>but i cant figure out why it is not starting automaticly
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09:52<aggoonn-h3c>hello
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09:54<tuxcrafter>i found my issue
09:54<nathans1900>hi just had to move my hdd cuz pc blow everything works but cant get new nic to show up
09:54<tuxcrafter>there was a haning process at rc.local
09:55<tuxcrafter> /haning/hanging
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09:55<jordanm>nathans1900: what is the pciid? (lspci -nn). what version of debian?
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09:56<sun>hi i was wondering if anyone can recommend a usb (wired) headset for use with skype? ive had problems with my gn netcom, so i got a wireless asus, which is also not quite what i want.. ?
09:56<sun>im running testing
09:56<nathans1900>0200 deb 5
09:57<nathans1900>not sure what bit to look at for pciid
09:58<nathans1900>i know its debian 5 though
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09:58<jordanm>05:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Linksys Gigabit Network Adapter [1737:1032] (rev 10)
09:58<jordanm>the pciid is 1737:1032 in the above example
09:58<nathans1900>one sec
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09:59<nathans1900>ok then 8086:1229
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10:01<jordanm>,pciid 8086:1229
10:01<judd>[8086:1229] is '82557/8/9/0/1 Ethernet Pro 100' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'e100', 'eepro100' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:1229
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10:01<jordanm>nathans1900: that card should have no issues with debian 5. does it show up with ifconfig -a?
10:01<nathans1900>one sec
10:02<jordanm>there is a good chance it is eth1 if this is old hard drive on new hardware
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10:03<nathans1900>ok umm
10:03<nathans1900>i see eth5 sth6 cant see before that
10:05<nathans1900>ok i get some info on eth5 and 6 but nothing on 0 to 4
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10:05<jordanm>nathans1900: do you have two cards?
10:05<nathans1900>so that would suggest it is them
10:05<jordanm>!70
10:05<dpkg>udev has the ability to statically rename Ethernet cards based on MAC address since version 0.090. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules (Lenny, Squeeze) or /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules (Etch). If you want the mappings to change, edit the respective file. To apply changes: "udevadm trigger" ("udevtrigger" on Etch) or reload the relevant driver module. See also <forcedeth mac>, <udev>.
10:06<jordanm>nathans1900: likely, you can get away with just deleting the 70 file instead of editing it
10:06<nathans1900>it is a dual
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10:07<jordanm>ah, ok
10:08<SOUL_OF_R00T>anyone knows tell me if squeeze have ati hd4290 (new fglrx!)driver built in
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10:09<nathans1900>ok just deleted it and am rebooting
10:09<jordanm>!tell SOUL_OF_R00T about cross-post
10:11<nathans1900>thank you
10:11<nathans1900>all sorted
10:11*nathans1900 bounces
10:11<nathans1900>that was giving me a head ache
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10:13<jordanm>nathans1900: anytime
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10:14<nathans1900>just waiting to see if it gets an ip
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10:24<GNu_Joe>When will Sid get a new kernel and what might it be?
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10:27<jordanm>GNu_Joe: likely after the squeeze release
10:28<GNu_Joe>jordanm, we are talking Q1-2011 on squeeze?
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10:32<starke>anybody know another repository where i can get avidemux debian-multimedia is down
10:32<starke>:(
10:33<jordanm>GNu_Joe: when its ready
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10:33<jordanm>!squeeze pool 1
10:33<dpkg>! <macrobat>=2010-12-13 aguitel=2010-07-11 old=2010-09-21 BonZo=2010-10-15 <craigevil>=2010-08-30 Selveste1=2011-06-10 NiLon=2010-10-12 rvsjoen=2010-07-15 jordanm=2010-12-15 icebrain=2010-06-01 tabashco=2010-11-22 <rmayorga>=2011-1-17 jelly=2010-09-29 dpalacio=2010-08-03 cydork=2010-07-10 CutMeOwnThroat=2010-06-15 enouf=2010-04-01 themill=2010-05-30 valdyn=2010-06-15 rohan=2010-12-06 abrotman=2010-10-02 gsimmons=2010-09-03
10:34<jordanm>Q4-2010 was my guess
10:34<GNu_Joe>jordanm, yes yes I know that, every Deb-Head knows that, but what is the feeling, what feels right?
10:35<jordanm>GNu_Joe: I am sticking with my guess from a year ago :)
10:36<gsimmons>dpkg: tell starke -about dmm mirrors
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10:54<starke>Failed to fetch http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/Release Unable to find expected entry nonfree/binary-amd64/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?)
10:54<starke>Failed to fetch http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/updates/non-free/binary-amd64/Packages.gz 404 Not Found [IP: 128.30.2.36 80]
10:54<starke>wtf?
10:54<jordanm>starke: http://ftp.us.debian.org
10:55<Ganneff>its not nonfree
10:55<Ganneff>its non-free
10:55<Ganneff>in the first line
10:55*jordanm wonders why it is correct in the second line
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10:55<Ganneff>yes
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11:10<smv>starke, try again after you change the repo in sources.list? perhaps it's a temporary error, it worked long, long time ago for me.
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11:18<starke>got
11:18<starke>it
11:18<starke>hey is squeeze testing or unstable
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11:19<petemc>testing
11:19<old1>starke: Squeeze is testing, but will be stable soon. (where soon is undefined)
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11:22<starke>Failed to fetch ftp://mirror.csclub.uwaterloo.ca/debian-multimedia/dists/squeeze/Release Unable to find expected entry contrib/binary-amd64/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?)
11:23<cygnus>How do i fix that aptitude when using the mx-iso88594 locale displays "Si" instead of Yes when exiting ? It does answer to the s keystroke to exit
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11:36<vipersrt10dodge>hey
11:36<starke>fixed it nvm
11:36<vipersrt10dodge>?
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12:10<Guest206>hi
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12:10<Guest206>need help about i915
12:10<Guest206>anyone?
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12:11<kyojin>Guest206: what do you need?
12:12<Guest206>well i've a samsung q30 laptop
12:12<yermandu>Guest204:
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12:12<yermandu>Guest206: ping
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12:12<Fevrier>re
12:12<yermandu>i have one here and works fines
12:12<Guest206>i've been debugging around kernel and i've found that if i boot on LVMS kernel frozens while boting
12:13<Guest206>if i boot only on vga it works ok
12:13<yermandu>hmmm
12:13<Guest206>well i can boot on LVMS with vesa without kms
12:13<Guest206>(kernel .34)
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12:14<Guest206>if i boot without kms and try to startx with intel module plaf
12:15<Fevrier>In Russian who that speaks? =)
12:15<Griob>hello all. i need help setting up my wireless. i did a debian netinst, i386. i could not connect to the internet, as the drivers/firmware (i dont know hich is which) are non-free i guess. debian is installed and working, but with no desktop, just command line.
12:16<gsimmons>Griob: What wireless device do you have?
12:16<Griob>how can i get the packages that ive downloaded (from this tutorial, which is said to work: http://www.debiantutorials.org/component/content/article/56-peripherals-on-your-debian-lenny-computer/252-wireless-on-debian-lenny-net-install-iwl4965)
12:16<Griob>to work
12:16<mastercontrol>is anyone familiar with vnc4viewer? I have a media center pc and am trying to chnage the display. Some how it set up my current connection under a different virtual desktop, how can I connect to change the actual display?
12:16<Griob>i have an intel PRO/wireless device the 4965 one.
12:17<Griob>i have the iwl4965
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12:17<Griob>driver, on my usb
12:17<Griob>should u just mount that, dc to the directory that the tar is in, and install all the .deb files? if i do that what do i do next?
12:17<kevin>alguien sabe como instalar dockbarx en lenny
12:18<kevin>do any one know how to install dockbarx in lenny
12:19<Griob>apt-get install dockbarx?
12:19<Griob>i dont know what that is
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12:19<jpinx-eeepc>,versions dockbarx
12:19<judd>Sorry, no package named 'dockbarx' was found.
12:20<kevin>no it is not i the repositoris
12:20<jpinx-eeepc>kevin: what is it and where are you gettin it?
12:20<kevin>it a dock for the gnome panel
12:20<kevin>its like the windows 7 bar
12:20<kevin>find in youtube about dockbarx
12:21<kevin>I downloaded the source code
12:21<kevin>but I cant install it
12:21<Cygnus>While using aptitude on squeeze on mx-iso8859-1 locale the confirm quit message displays yes and no instead of Si and No although it does respond to the s keystroke. Any ideas on how to fix it ?
12:21<kevin>because some dependences are not in lenny
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12:22<jpinx-eeepc>kevin: you will have to hunt down the dependencies
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12:22<kevin>I did
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12:22<kevin>but some dependencies need more dependencies
12:23<Griob>the find those
12:23<kevin>so I am looking for a dockbarx repositorie
12:23<Griob>eventually youll have a huge list of dependencies and you can spend days installing them. then it will work.
12:23<kevin>or something like that
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12:23<jpinx-eeepc>kevin: have fun dude - no-one here will touch it I reeckon
12:23<Cygnus>kevin: follow the website instructions to install accordingly, to hunt down dependencies /msg judd help depends
12:23<luser>and you'll live happily ever after
12:24<kevin>ty
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12:24<kevin>I will have to supply all the dependencies
12:24<kevin>ty
12:24<luser>kevin - note that some dependencies are only 'recommends' ones, those can often be unselected
12:25<kevin>I see
12:25<kevin>its true
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12:25<kevin>some dependencies are not nesesary for runing the program
12:25<Griob>ill be back later, i think ill figure it out but i only have limited time.
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12:27<Guest206>Ok, If I try to boot on LVMS kernel freezes while booting, if I boot on VGA everything is ok and X starts, and if I boot without kms on LVMS and using vesa driver it boots on LVMS. The problem is that i want to boot with kms on laptop screen (LVMS)
12:28<kevin>another thing
12:29<kevin>how do I install the entranced in lenny
12:29<kevin>and how do I get it run at startup
12:29<kevin>I have search over the web
12:29<kevin>and I havent find something
12:29<kevin>for it
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12:30<kevin>I did install E17
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12:30<jordanm>e17 is not installable in lenny IIRC
12:30<kevin>but I need entranced for the login screen
12:30<jordanm>,versions e17
12:30<judd>e17 -- sid: 0.16.999.49898-1
12:30<kevin>I did
12:30<jordanm>it won't even be available in the next release
12:30<kevin>compiling it
12:31<jordanm>kevin: typically only software provided by debian is supported here. the enlightenment people will support their upstream software
12:31<kevin>but in the E17 web there is not entranced to download
12:31<kevin>ok sorry I didnt know that
12:31<kevin>im new using the irc
12:32<jordanm>kevin: their support is likely on irc.freenode.net, not sure however
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12:33<jordanm>kevin: #e on freenode
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12:34<kevin>ok I will
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12:37<Cygnus>Where does aptitude save the locale sentences to be displayed ?
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12:46<lzheng>#chromium
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12:59<old>Cygnus: "/usr/share/locale/$lang/LC_MESSAGES/aptitude.mo" or "/usr/share/aptitude/aptitude-defaults.$lang".
13:00<old>Cygnus: I don't know which one it actually uses.
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13:05<Cygnus>old: it seems the problem is that neither of those two files exist even after doing dpkg-reconfigure locales and selecting once more the needed ones.
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13:09<brezhnev>hola
13:10<Cygnus>!hola
13:10<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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13:10<brezhnev>hi
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13:12<Cygnus>old: the part that is most puzzling is why aptitude responds to the s keyword at all ?
13:12<acu>I want to access an ext3 hard disk from windows - what do I need in Windows
13:13<petemc>access to a search engine
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13:13<valdyn>acu: depends
13:13<valdyn>acu: as only certain ext3 fs can be read from windows
13:13<acu>I have a vista which needs to access an external disk formated with ext3
13:14<valdyn>acu: http://www.chrysocome.net/explore2fs
13:14<old>Cygnus: I don't know how it works. :(
13:15<Cygnus>old: anyway, thx for your time maybe someone will show up later with the exact answer. The behaviour at this moment is odd, not troublesome :)
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13:19<Cygnus>What is the command to make grub2 the default bootloader when upgrading from lenny ?
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13:20<quitte>if the grub2 packages are installed update-grub, i guess
13:21<quitte>ah no. update-grub is for the menu creation. grub-install it is
13:22<quitte>Cygnus: some other boot media that you know is working might come in handy
13:23<Cygnus>quitte: If i recall correctly it is indeed another command yet i cant recall at the momment
13:24<Cygnus>quitte: found it :) upgrade-from-grub-legacy
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13:26<Cygnus>quitte: :( wrong set of notes. Disregard the above
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13:27<grummund>Hi, what's a good way to re-distill a pdf into image format pdf (so it is less easy to edit) ?
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13:28<grummund>basically to get the same effect as printing a hardcopy then re-scanning to a pdf
13:28<vineeth57>Hi! How do I go about changing the MAC for my NIC? I'm using squeeze, and I connect to the network through /etc/network/interfaces!!
13:28<grummund>s/re-//
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13:29<jordanm>grummund: ifconfig eth0 hw ether <new MAC>
13:30<BarackO>off-topic - I know, but I get no answer in #debian-offtopic: anybody own the 6 disc DVD set of Heroes Season 3 and can tell me what is on DVD 6?
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13:30<vineeth57>jordanm, i'll try! brb as I need to try it on the internet's NIC!
13:30<vineeth57>jordanm, btw, how do I restore my original MAC in case I lose it?
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13:31<mAniAk->reload interfaces
13:31<vineeth57>!hi
13:31<dpkg>hello, vineeth57
13:31<mAniAk->or reboot maybe
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13:32<root_>hi
13:32<vineeth57>mAniAk-, thanks, i'll try!
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13:32<root_>hi
13:32<root_>im new here
13:32<vineeth57>mAniAk-, jordanm, i'll brb after trying it!
13:32<root_>some one chat with me
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13:33<slashme>Where can I find #drupal?
13:33<jordanm>root_: see #debian-offtopic for "chat"
13:33<root_>helow!!!
13:33<jordanm>slashme: likely irc.freenode.net
13:33<stealth_>Hey. Ubuntu user here, and wanting to get Debian to try. The question is, The installation page on the Debian homepage is slightly confusing, how do I know what I need looking at this page
13:33<stealth_>http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst#verysmall
13:33<slashme>thanks jordanm
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13:33<jordanm>stealth_: most want to 180mb netinst
13:34<jordanm>stealth_: either should work if you have internet connection during installation
13:34<stealth_>Ok mate
13:34<root_>j
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13:34<stealth_>And last question, can I try the operating system from the USB before I can install?
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13:35<mAniAk->if its a live cd
13:35<stealth_>Yeah
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13:36<stealth_>Ok then, I will give it a try
13:36<matt__>Hi all, new to Debian but experienced admin. Building Debian images in a chroot and I'd like apt-get install $SERVICE not to start running it on installation. What should I be reading/setting/changing?
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13:36<stealth_>Oh and if I dont like it, and I delete it, will it mess up my GRUB 2?
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13:37<old>stealth_: You decide. Debian asks if you want to install grub.
13:38<stealth_>Ahh thats alright then
13:38<jordanm>matt__: you likely need to edit the postinst script a rebuild the package.
13:38<stealth_>I got in a nasty situation with it a few weeks back and dont want it to happen again.
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13:38<matt__>jordanm, cor blimey that seems a bit drastic.
13:39<jordanm>matt__: debian/postinst or debian/<package>.postinst
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13:39<stealth_>(sorry for all the questions) but lets say I prefer Debian to Ubuntu, How would I make it so Debian controls grub and I am free to remove Ubuntu?
13:39<jordanm>matt__: not for someone who rebuilds packages all the time...
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13:39<old>stealth_: I think you'll have to update grub from Ubuntu to boot Debian.
13:40<stealth_>Ahh ok old.
13:40<petemc>matt__: i think that can be done via a policy /usr/share/doc/sysv-rc/README.policy-rc.d
13:40<jordanm>stealth_: I would imagine a grub-install from debian and upgate-grub2 would do it
13:40<matt__>Well not for that someone.
13:40<stealth_>Ahh ok jordonm mate, cheers.
13:40<matt__>petemc, ah I'll take a look
13:40<old>stealth_: I think apt-get install grub-pc is enough, but I'm not sure.
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13:41<old>stealth_: Don't listen to me - jordanm is right.
13:41<Cygnus>quitte: it is indeed upgrade-from-grub-legacy :)
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13:41<stealth_>Lol old, ok mate
13:42<stealth_>I am just trying Debian really because I want to get a feel of different Distro's, not sure if I will prefer Debian or Ubuntu and want to be prepared just in-case really
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13:42<jordanm>matt__: petemc: to me, that looks a lot more difficult than rebuilding the package
13:42<old>stealth_: You will have grub installed in Debian in order to boot it. (silly me)
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13:43<jordanm>it seems to allow you to "deny" a start action, but details on how to implement seem to be lacking
13:43<stealth_>yeah old, I just dont want to make the mistake I did before and delete a older Linux distro that controls grub
13:44<matt__>yeah - not as easy as I hope. Seems an odd decision to start services upon installation. Is that Debian policy in general or up to each package maintainer. I certainly don't want Tomcat starting up until I've customised it in the general case let alone within a chroot.
13:44<petemc>!policy-rc.d
13:44<dpkg>it has been said that policy-rc.d is a mechanism which allows you to prevent certain init scripts from being run. see http://people.debian.org/~hmh/invokerc.d-policyrc.d-specification.txt, or <invoke-rc.d> To disable all daemon starts and stops during package installation, use http://paste.debian.net/75816/, but note that would have consequences that you probably don't like so tailoring it to your needs to only skip certain daemons would be advised.
13:44<stealth_>jordonm, and regarding the installation choice, is this the one you talked about?
13:44<stealth_>http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-amd64/current/images/
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13:45<old>stealth_: I am curious what happened. Can you tell me about it at #debian-offtopic?
13:45<stealth_>Yeah no problem
13:46<jordanm>stealth_: no, how did you even manage to get there form that page?
13:46<stealth_>jordonm I used the Get Debian page
13:47<jordanm>stealth_: well, you selected network boot instead of an ISO. did you plan to do PXE?
13:47<matt__>petemc, well it looks like the thing.
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13:48<stealth_>Sorry jordanm?
13:48<stealth_>I am not really sure what you mean
13:49<jordanm>stealth_: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.6/amd64/iso-cd/debian-506-amd64-netinst.iso
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13:51<matt__>petemc, do you know how the policy scripts are started. Do all the packaging tools have hooks to call the script?
13:51<stealth_>ahh thanks jordonm, downloading now
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13:57<petemc>matt__: its explained in the specification mentioned above
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14:00<matt__>petemc, it talks about invoke-rc.d detecting whether the policy exists.
14:01<matt__>petemc, but invoke.rc.d is only mentioned in a couple of the init scripts. Is invoke.rc.d the hook from apt-get and the like?
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14:02<matt__>petemc, apologies for my lack of Debian knowledge. But I'm working on it!
14:02<petemc> /usr/share/doc/sysv-rc/README.invoke-rc.d.gz
14:06<matt__>petemc, hmmmm - doesn't seem to tell me whether or not packages are expected to use it to start/stop services
14:08<matt__>petemc, anyhow many thanks for your help, it is the thing I'm after.
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14:14<jordanm>matt__: invoke-rc.d is called from postinst, and is what actually starts the service
14:14<jordanm>matt__: thus commenting out the invoke-rc.d line in postinst and rebuilding the package also solves this problem
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14:17<smhar>greetings
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14:18<matt__>jordanm, ah! cool it's all clear then.
14:18<smhar>I have been suffering a strange problem with my HUAWEI 3g internet usb device. I use it with 2 computers, both running updated squeeze. the desktop has no problem of being connected for days. the notebook can not stay connected for more than a couple of hours and many times less than 2 minutes. it works for a while then JUST disconnects.
14:18<matt__>thanks guys for your pointers.
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14:19<smhar>I tried booting with acpi=off noacpi apic=off options but it still works for a while then disconnects
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14:20<smhar>this is the messages log: http://paste.debian.net/88926/
14:21<smhar>and this is the lspci: http://paste.debian.net/88927/
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14:26<dominick>Hi! How do I find out all IP addresses obtained through DHCP via /etc/network/interfaces? I'm using squeeze!
14:27<mAniAk->ifconfig
14:27<dominick>mAniAk-, it doesn't show the DNS-nameservers~
14:27<jordanm>dominick: /etc/resolv.conf
14:28<mAniAk->well you said ip adresses
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14:28<dominick>thanks jordanm!
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14:30<dominick>and I can't find the right keyword to specify dns-nameservers (through static) in interfaces(5). is it "dns-nameservers"?
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14:31<mAniAk->you cant
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14:32<dominick>mAniAk-, then how do I specify my nameservers in static configuration?
14:32<dominick>is it through /etc/resolv.conf?
14:33<dominick>mAniAk-, thanks, I can see the settings in resolv.conf(5)
14:34<mAniAk->/etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/tail
14:34<mAniAk->'
14:34<mAniAk->put it there
14:34<dominick>thanks!
14:34<mAniAk-> /etc/resolv.conf gets overwritten
14:34<dominick>hmm... k!
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14:35<dominick>i believe that's a change from stable!
14:35<mAniAk->its the same in stable afaik
14:35<mAniAk->i had to do it like that
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14:36<dominick>mAniAk-, I remember getting the "dns-nameserver" in /etc/network/interfaces after setting up the network during install! any idea about that?
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14:36<dominick>or is there any way to fire up the network setup wizard, like the one during installation?
14:36<mAniAk->no
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14:38<mAniAk->åäö
14:38<dominick>??
14:39<quitte>smhar: pppd has its own logfile and/or a program to view the logs and monitor the connection. that should tell you the reason for the hangup
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14:42<mAniAk->fuck me
14:42<mAniAk->åäö doesnt work in screen again
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14:43<cahoot>mAniAk-: fwiw they turn up just fine here
14:43<mAniAk->i know
14:43<mAniAk->its just in zsh
14:44<mAniAk->and outside screen they work with zsh
14:44<mAniAk->the terminal just flashes -.-
14:45<quitte>smhar: oh nevermind. looks like its some problem where the device disappears. as it's behaving as a cdrom,too a random idea is that it doesn't like being accessed while being connected to the internet
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14:46<luser>mAniAk-: /etc/resolv.conf should be overwritten - it should be a symlink to /etc/resolvconf/run/resolv.conf, and it is that that gets overwritten
14:46<jordanm>luser: that assumes he uses resolvconf
14:47<jordanm>which actually is required for dns-nameserver in /etc/network/interfaces
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14:47<luser>jordanm: I presumed he was as he'd mentioned: <mAniAk-> /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/tail
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14:47<grummund>Hi, just wondering... can encrypted PDF be trivially defeated so as to allow editing of the document?
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14:49<jordanm>grummund: depends on the strength of the passphrase used for the encyption
14:49<quitte>isn't that just some binary switch that for some reason some of the free pdf programs honor?
14:49<grummund>well assume the password is some random garbage
14:49<luser>quitte - certainly one of the protections in teh past was just that. But I think it's evolved since then
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14:50*grummund was thinking along the lines of print to postscript, and then convert that into an editable format...
14:51<jordanm>grummund: its only susiptal to password guessing techniques. its not broken like say, WEP.
14:51<luser>grummond - put it on your webserver, and see if google descends into it! ;-)
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14:53<Cygnus>mAniAk-: fwiw they do work here screen and zsh
14:53<mAniAk->Cygnus: D;
14:53<mAniAk->this is annoying
14:53<jordanm>grummund: see: pdfcrack
14:53<mAniAk->but i think its something in my zshrc
14:53<quitte>grummund,luser: the bug i was thinking about. i don't know if its related http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=531221
14:54<grummund>oh, btw i'm not taling about fully encrypted...
14:54<grummund>just "edit-protected"
14:55<grummund>i.e. it can be viewed and printed, but no copy/paste or edit.
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14:55<quitte>grummund: sounds a lot like the situation of the bug
14:55<luser>quitte - thanks for the link - interesting read
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14:56<old>mAniAk-: Does it break from time to time?
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14:58<mAniAk->worked yesterday
14:59<mAniAk->dont think i changed anything special
14:59<grummund>quitte: thanks. so in answer it seems that a "restricted" PDF is trivial to crack
15:00<grummund>which is not the same as "encrypted", which may be attacked with brute force password search
15:00<old>mAniAk-: Maybe you are accidentaly hitting some VT's shortcut...
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15:01<mAniAk->ive tried starting new screens and rebooting now so dont thin kso
15:01<quitte>i wouldn't call flipping a switch in the preferences cracking
15:01<grummund>well yeah... ;p
15:03<old>mAniAk-: It may be persistent... I don't know. It's just an idea.
15:03<mAniAk->works now
15:03<mAniAk->commented some stuff in zshrc
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15:03<mAniAk->but another problem
15:04<mAniAk->starting some programs seems to fuck up my keycodes
15:04*old has now less motivation to switch to zsh.
15:04<mAniAk->before i start htop ctrl+left and left have different codes, after they are the same
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15:06<luser>mAniAk-: run your original .zshrc with the -x flag, so you can see what it's doing?
15:06<mAniAk->both become ^[[D instead of ^[[D and ^[OD
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15:06<mAniAk->commented this stuff #LANGUAGE='sv_SE.UTF-8'
15:06<mAniAk->#LC_ALL='sv_SE.UTF-8'
15:06<mAniAk->#LANG='sv_SE.UTF-8'
15:06<mAniAk->#LC_CTYPE=C
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15:07<luser>maniak- those should probably be in your .zshenv not .zshrc
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15:07<luser>not that that will make a difference to this issue
15:08<mAniAk->well without them its working again
15:08<mAniAk->but they are the same that i use now anyway -.-
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16:17<crowd>Hello
16:18<luser>!ask
16:18<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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16:20<crowd>I have a server running debian and plesk, by default plesk is using proftpd as its ftp server. I want to add an other ftp server (listenning on a different port number) for some other purpose (not for web hosting by plesk) I tried to make apt-get install vsftpd in order to install this server and as a result apt-get want to install vsftpd and remove all plesk aplications
16:21<crowd>Is there a way to tell pat-get to simply install vsftpd without touching plesk ?
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16:21<luser>looks like dependency hell (or 'conflicts with' hell)
16:22<crowd>pat-get = apt-get
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16:22<luser>look around for other ftp servers which don't have an annoying conflicts-with?
16:23<luser>in aptitude you can easily see these dependencies
16:23<crowd>hmmm i read some articales about ftp servers and its looks like vsftpd is the most secure ftp server out there. can you reomend on an other secure FTP server ?
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16:24<gougoutou>slt
16:24<crowd>how can i see it with aptitude ?
16:24<Brigo>crowd: i cant find plesk on debian sid ... :-m
16:24<jordanm>crowd: ftp and "secure" do not belong in the same sentences together
16:25<jordanm>crowd: the main benefit to vsftp is allows for virtual user tables, but the similar can be accomplished by simply setting the user's shell to something like /sbin/nologin
16:25<crowd>jordanm i know but thats why i said "the most secure " :)
16:25<jordanm>!ftpmustdie
16:25<dpkg>FTP MUST DIE! http://mywiki.wooledge.org/FtpMustDie . If you really just want to provide anonymous download of files, use HTTP: http://daniel.haxx.se/docs/ftp-vs-http.html
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16:26<iman>whats a good download manager for debian in gnome ?
16:27<luser>jordanm - "If the fact that the RFC is over 20 years old didn't tell you how obsolete this protocol is" ... WTF? THat's not argument, that's just FUD.
16:27<luser>stop using TCP and IP _right now_ if you think it's a valid argument
16:27<crowd>Brigo add "deb http://plesk-autoinstall.intergenia.de/debian/PSA_9.2.3/ lenny all" to your source.list :)
16:28<jordanm>luser: I am pretty sure FTP predates TCP/IP?
16:28<blowback>jordanm: Unlikely.
16:28<blowback>Without tcp/ip ftp cannot exist.
16:28<jordanm>makes sense
16:28<blowback>I'll take ftp over http any day for file transfer.
16:29<crowd>luser: how can i see the dep in aptitude ?
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16:29<luser>jordanm - nope it depends on TCP
16:29<jordanm>luser: anyways, read the rest of the article. the big points are a) using multiple ports b) modes that kill data c) clear text
16:30<jordanm>and encyption can not be properly implemented because of a) and the fact that one of those multiple ports will be random
16:30<blowback>Data resumption over http is unreliable at best.
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16:30<jordanm>well, it can in a situation without firewalls
16:30<blowback>That's a big minus mark against http.
16:30<crowd>jordanm: vsftpd support SSL instead of clear text and passive mode for single port and i don't know what you mean by modes that kill data :)
16:31<luser>crowd: press return on the package name to pull up its page, then scroll down and there'll be a 'Depends' section
16:31<jordanm>crowd: ftp has ascii and binary transfer modes. transfering binary over ascii mode kills data. ftps does not work properly in a situation where even "ftp friendly" firewalls are implemented
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16:31<jordanm>that is why it is very uncommon to see
16:32<luser>jordanm - ascii is an optional transfer technique, if the user downloads BIN as ASCII, he's a dumbass and deserves a corrupted file
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16:33<luser>crowd: and after that at 'packages that depend on' section - press return on that
16:34<jordanm>luser: its the default on window's ftp client (but I guess that amkes them a dumbass for using windows)
16:35<ikey>sometimes ya dont got a choice to use windows (i.e. when every pooter blew up) (i.e. me) just sayin.
16:36<jordanm>luser: I just checked, its also the default for lenny's ftp client
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16:36<jordanm>luser: so really, you could say "binary" is optional
16:36<luser>jordanm: wrong
16:37<jordanm>luser: you are saying I am wrong that is the default, or the statement that is optional?
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16:37<jordanm>because its really hard to convince me that I am wrong when I *just* tested it
16:37<crowd>its wierd i tried different ftp server (pure-ftpd) and i get the same results
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16:38<crowd>I guess its conflict due to the use of the same port or something
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16:38<locklace>!ftp must die
16:38<dpkg>FTP MUST DIE! http://mywiki.wooledge.org/FtpMustDie . If you really just want to provide anonymous download of files, use HTTP: http://daniel.haxx.se/docs/ftp-vs-http.html
16:39<crowd>isn't there a way to simply tell apt-get to install the pack without removing anything ?
16:39<jordanm>luser: http://paste.debian.net/88958/
16:40<luser>jordanm - I just installed 'ftp', and ftp-ed to my server, and one of the first things it says is "Remote system type is UNIX. Using binary mode to transfer files."
16:40<jordanm>crowd: not if there are conflicts, no
16:40<jordanm>luser: ok, I just got that from our vsftpd server, so I suppose the server pushes the setting to client
16:41<luser>The dpkg message is bogus too - since when has ftp been just about anonymous downloads of files?
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16:41<jordanm>luser: that is a common usage. sftp is generally recommend when uploading is required
16:41<luser>jordanm: the existence of a lame server does not prove anything about the protocol
16:41<luser>I can assure you I can write a worse HTTP server than any FTP server you can throw at me
16:42<jordanm>luser: will this http server make connections to the client on a random port?
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16:43<luser>jordanm: well, it could identd, for example
16:44<jordanm>luser: with inetd, the client would normally connect to the server, not the other way around
16:44<luser>LEARN TO
16:44<luser>READ
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16:44<crowd>anyone has anyidea how to solve this issue ?
16:44<luser>crowd: Yes, we've provided 2 - hunt around for other servers. use a different protocol.
16:44<crowd>isn't it possibale to install 2 ftp server on the same server ?
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16:45<crowd>i tried 3 diffrent servers they all has the same dep
16:45<luser>Probably not through the packaging system, as both will want to take control of the FTP port
16:45<crowd>they all conflict with proftpd
16:45<blowback>Sure you can have as many ftp servers as you like installed, as long as they're not all mapped to the same ports.
16:46<locklace>btw, according to RFC 959, "3.1.1.1. ASCII TYPE This is the default type and must be accepted by all FTP implementations."
16:46<crowd>ye i guess so but i could configure one to use port 21 an the other some other ort
16:46<blowback>(or as long as only one is running at a time, using default allocations)
16:46<crowd>port
16:46<locklace>not that that actually makes any sense, but it's the spec
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16:46<luser>locklace - good call - I guess they cared about interworking in those days
16:47<locklace>right. ebcdic and shit
16:47<crowd>but apt-get won't let me install two FTP servers on the same server ?
16:47<jordanm>crowd: no
16:47<jordanm>not if they conflict
16:48<luser>crowd: almost certainly not, if the dependencies are set up aggressively
16:48<luser>Ressurrect FSP instead!
16:48<crowd>is there a way i can solve this dependencies ?
16:48<crowd>whats FSP ?
16:49<locklace>!fsp
16:49<locklace>not surprised it doesn't know about that one
16:49<luser>A server-friendly replacement for FTP that fell out of favour
16:49<jordanm>crowd: you can modify the packages. if they both install different version of the same file, then not all
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16:50<locklace>it was server friendly but not network friendly
16:50<crowd>lol
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16:51<jhutchins_lt>judd is missing on freenode.
16:51<jordanm>there is currently a heavily debated HTTP server called "woof" that just had an ITP filed. its used for file sharing and can be used to allow things like "can only be downloaded once" before the server shuts down. looks interesting
16:51<crowd>well in their docs they say its should be a proper replacement for anonymous FTP server but i am not looking for anonymous ftp server :)
16:51<jhutchins_lt>,versions syslinux
16:51<judd>syslinux -- etch: 1:3.31-4; lenny: 2:3.71+dfsg-5; sid: 2:4.02+dfsg-3; squeeze: 2:4.02+dfsg-3
16:51<jordanm>jhutchins_lt: i said that yesterday!
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16:51<jhutchins_lt>Do we have any clue who's responsible for him?
16:52<jordanm>jhutchins_lt: jelly and themill
16:52<jordanm>and possibly stew
16:52<jhutchins_lt>!seen jelly
16:52<dpkg>jelly <~jelly@lan.iskon.hr> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 8h 7m 15s ago, saying: 'Gijs: that's incorrect, then.'.
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16:52<jhutchins_lt>!seen themill
16:52<dpkg>themill <~stuart@unaffiliated/themill> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 2d 4h 59m 10s ago, saying: 'bbooqq: sorry... no idea. Most OSs ship entirely binary packages for updates rather than trying to do binary-updates. Some backport patches to the currently released version, some don't and expect you to just upgrade to the newest.'.
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16:53<jordanm>crowd: sftp is what you should use in place of non-anonymous FTP
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16:54<jordanm>in rare cases, webDAV
16:55<blowback>Let's not forget scp. :)
16:55<luser>SFTP's overkill, surely. If you're authenticating, then SCP is more efficient, as it streams
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16:55<jordanm>well, the default configuration for openssh-server in debian allows for both
16:55<crowd>jordanm: sftp is a feature inside ftp server such as vsftpd
16:56<jordanm>crowd: no, you are thinking ftps
16:56<luser>crowd - actually, we should get to the root of the problem - why do you need 2 ftp servers in the first place?
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16:56<luser>can you not just spawn 2 copies of the same server, with diffferent configurations
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16:58<crowd>luser: I have the server running plesk and manage the hosting services, i want an other secure FTP (which is open for a specific ips and use of SSL ) to be able to transfer backups, logs and other admin stuff from the server
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16:59<crowd>hmmm i don't know can i use the same server twice ?
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16:59<luser>crowd: a sufficiently advanced ftp server will not interfere with other copies of itself running on a different port.
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17:00<crowd>ye but how can i run the same server twice with a diffrent configuration ?
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17:01<mAniAk->run another one on a different port?
17:01<luser>crowd: should be trivial with inetd
17:02<crowd>hmm i think i got the pic ... thanks luser i will try that !
17:02<crowd>i wonder of plesk wont get crazy when trying to shutdown ftp server whle running it twice
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17:03<valdyn>crowd: why dont you just use scp
17:04<luser>the two instances should be independent of each other, plesk shouldn't know when the second one stops or starts
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17:04<luser>however, there's almost certainly no reason not to just use HTTP. Don't get me wrong, it's a perfectly adequate file transfer mechanism for most purposes
17:05<crowd>valdyn: coz some of thee machines i use to connect the server don't support scp
17:05<crowd>luser: thanks !
17:05<crowd>thanks all for your help
17:05<valdyn>!winscp
17:05<dpkg>WinSCP is a free and open source GUI <SCP> protocol, <SFTP> and <FTP> client for Microsoft Windows. http://winscp.net/
17:06<crowd>c'ya all
17:07<crowd>valdyn: ye i know there is scp for windows but i can't really use it (long story) :)
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17:28<shawn__>quick question, does anyone know how to remove menu entries in xubuntu?
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17:28<amphi>shawn__: #ubuntu on freenode may know
17:29<shawn__>ty
17:29<blowback>shawn__: you mean Xfce, but still, what amphi said :)
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17:32<luser>google -> http://www.xfce.org/documentation/4.2/manuals/xfdesktop#xfdesktop-menu
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17:34<networkn>hi, i have etch, and I need to add pppoe functionality
17:34<networkn>I am new to linux relatively
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17:35<quitte>networkn: install pppoeconf
17:35<networkn>ok
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17:35<networkn>sorry to even ask, but how?
17:35<qq->etch .. , no more supported
17:35<locklace>dpkg: tell networkn about etch->lenny
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17:36<networkn>I don't want to go to lenny
17:36<networkn>I want to make this work on the existing system
17:36<networkn>and then migrate if required
17:36<quitte>networkn: etch had it too. if you have some install media pppoeconf is probably on it. theres a package manager (synaptic) in the system menu
17:36<networkn>ideally we want to do away with this box eventually
17:36<networkn>we have no gui on this box
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17:37<networkn>can I download it from the console?
17:37<quitte>networkn: or just try running pppoeconf as root from a shell
17:37<quitte>apt-get install pppoeconf
17:38<qq->aptitude
17:38<qq->quitte, ^^
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17:38<quitte>ok. i tried aptitude and still don't see how i would benefit from using it instead of apt
17:39<amphi>!why aptitude
17:39<dpkg>aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>).
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17:39<luser>quitte - if all you do is aptitude install, then there's little need to change. it shines when used interactively
17:40<quitte>the one thing i'm missing is some way to not mark apt-get build-dep stuff as manually installed
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17:44<vineeth57>Hi! I'm trying to put an output of a command into pastebin, but only a few are being stored to a file while using >> . How do I make all the output go to the file?
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17:46<networkn>where do you configure sources? it's currently getting a not found with the packages
17:46<luser>vineeth57 >>foo 2>&1
17:46<luser>redirects stderr to go to wherever stdout is going
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17:48<blowback>networkn: /etc/apt/sources.list
17:48<qq->!sdo
17:48<dpkg>http://snapshot.debian.org/ is an archive of almost all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way non-free. This service replaces the old http://snapshot.debian.net/ site that is no longer maintained. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100412
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17:48<qq->!ado
17:48<dpkg>Find old Debian releases at http://archive.debian.org/
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17:48<networkn>thanks I just found that
17:48<qq->!etch
17:48<dpkg>Etch is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Etch security support ended on 2010-02-15, this release is no longer supported. Etch users should upgrade to Lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Removed from the mirrors (2010-06-20); ask me about <etch sources.list>. For old Etch ISOs, ask me about <etch iso>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEtch http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100121
17:49<blowback>networkn: Or use Synaptic if you prefer UI.
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17:52<vineeth57>hi! I'm trying to setup sound on my debian squeeze. Output of "lspci | grep audio" gives "07:00.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs CA0106 Soundblaster". I'm following instructions given at http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Module-ca0106 to install the latest alsa drivers. I'm stuck at the "make" command, which gives the output http://pastebin.com/3LgGFSK4. Please help!!
17:52<jordanm>vineeth57: paste that line again with lspci -nn
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17:53<networkn>hmm getting a message about sources.list file being in use
17:53<networkn>can't see where.
17:53<networkn>we are the only people editing it
17:53<vineeth57>jordanm, http://pastebin.com/GexJFzxw
17:53<qq->networkn, 'we' ?
17:54<vineeth57>jordanm, "lspci -nn | grep audio" gives "07:00.0 Multimedia audio controller [0401]: Creative Labs CA0106 Soundblaster [1102:0007]"
17:54<networkn>qq-: m,e
17:54<dreamy_>hi everyone .. is anyone helping ? id like to install Elive (debian and elightemnent) but my trouble is that i whould have trouble watching videos on you tube.. because of an issue id dont understand(can debian view videos on you tube? ) i had a bit trouble when i installed it.. if it can what whould i have to do ?
17:54<networkn>me
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17:54<jordanm>,pciid 1102:0007
17:54<judd>[1102:0007] is 'CA0106 Soundblaster' from 'Creative Labs' with kernel module 'snd-ca0106' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1102:0007 and the out-of-tree 'snd-ca0106' module.
17:55<jordanm>,pciid 1102:0007 --release squeeze
17:55<judd>[1102:0007] is 'CA0106 Soundblaster' from 'Creative Labs' with kernel module 'snd-ca0106' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1102:0007 and the out-of-tree 'snd-ca0106' module.
17:55<dreamy_>(so .. then when i last installed debian , the way it came originaly after install, wasnt able to watch videos)
17:55<jordanm>vineeth57: should "just work"
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17:55<jordanm>!tell vineeth57 about alsa checklist
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17:56<qq->networkn, ok , and are you used it before that command ? anyways it seems you know what you are doing
17:56<dreamy_>something related to the flash player :S
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17:57<luser>vineeth57 - do you have the kernel headers package installed?
17:57<vineeth57>luser, yes!
17:57<jordanm>dreamy_: yes, install flash player
17:58<networkn>whats an easy to use edit.com type application included with etch?
17:58<dreamy_>jordanm, oh.. i had a bit trouble last time.. i had synaptics .. and used it, ill try agayn
17:58<jordanm>!tell dreamy_ about flash
17:58<qq->networkn, no, use nano
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17:59<luser>vineeth57 - where does this path start to fail: /lib/modules/2.6.32-5-686/source/include/linux/modversions.h
17:59<dreamy_>jordanm, its exaclty this issue, that i dont understand correctly, could u explain?
17:59<jordanm>debian users can use "editor"
17:59<dreamy_>!flash
17:59<dpkg>Flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations, ask about <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. http://wiki.debian.org/Flash
17:59<dreamy_>on the fresh install it dont do flash ?
18:00<vineeth57>luser, I'm sorry, I don't know what you mean!
18:00<lindi->dreamy_: there are many ways to install, no way is particularly fresh
18:00<amphi>networkn: you might like mcedit
18:00<jordanm>dreamy_: no, flash is not included in debian. it is available from backports, which it tells to "see" from the link to the wiki page
18:01<dreamy_>k
18:01<jordanm>dreamy_: including how to setup backports using the repository
18:01<networkn>nano is perfect thanks
18:01<luser>vineeth57 - /lib exists. /lib/modules exist, does /lib/modules/2.6.32-5-686/ exists? does /lib/modules/2.6.32-5-686/source/ ? ...
18:01<networkn>I could not recall the name of it
18:01<luser>!editorwar
18:01<jordanm>!start an editor war
18:01<dpkg>ae doesn't deserve to be in BSD.
18:01<dreamy_>so debian can do flash , and it can be eazy_?
18:01<jordanm>they are all pretty dated in that bot command
18:02<dreamy_>ill give it another try :)
18:02<jordanm>dreamy_: as easy as enabling a repository and installing a package.. if you are on 32bit
18:02<vineeth57>luser, it's the file that's missing. The directory upto "source" is good!
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18:04<luser>vineeth57 - I've just googled for 'modversions.h: No such file or directory', and there seem to be several hits
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18:06*vineeth57 googles to find if some1 has solved such a problem!
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18:07<luser>vineeth57 - a couple of ubuntu-related links look useful.
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18:09<networkn>Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "pppoeconf"
18:09<networkn>No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed.
18:09<vineeth57>luser, thanks, I see that I haven't installed the build-essential package. I'm downloading the package, hope it'll solve it!
18:09<networkn>using archive.debian.org
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18:10<luser>vineeth57 - one page says "In any case, modversions.h will disappear in kbuild 2.5." I can't see more than a couple of references to it in my 2.6.32 kernel tree
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18:14<dreamy_>jordanm, whats the keyword to search for a repo like that on the web?
18:14<qq->, versions pppoeconf
18:14<judd>pppoeconf -- etch: 1.13; lenny: 1.18; sid: 1.19; squeeze: 1.19
18:15<networkn>is it possible to download it and install it manually?
18:15<qq->networkn, ^^ , update your sources
18:15<networkn>we have archive.debian.org in there
18:15<vineeth57>luser, still didn't get that header! Any alternatives to installing the driver? I see that alsa-utils is also screwed, as the "alsactl init" command now returns "alsactl: init:1743: No soundcards found..." while earlier it said it couldn't find a certain folder by name ca0106!
18:16<qq->networkn,whats your processor architecture
18:16<qq->?
18:16<networkn>x86
18:16<networkn>ah its working :)
18:16<luser>vineeth57 - yes, it looks like that file is no longer in use.
18:16<vineeth57>luser, how do I restore my original settings for alsa?
18:18<jordanm>dreamy_: there is a link to instructions on the flash wiki page
18:18<luser>vineeth57 - no idea. man -k alsa? maybe alsactl says something about it?
18:19<dreamy_>jordanm, ok ty
18:19<luser>vineeth57 - what I usually do is run strace and see where it's getting data from (where it = alsactl or alsamixer, for example)
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18:20<luser>vineeth57 - man alsactl mentions /var/lib/alsa/asound.state
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18:21<vineeth57>luser, I haven't a clue what you meant!
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18:22<luser>vineeth57 - then ignore that bit. just see what the alsactl manpage says. does 'init' d the trick?
18:23<starke>mkvtom2ts.sh: 36: Bad substitution <------------what does this mean
18:24<jordanm>starke: what does line 36 look like?
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18:24<luser>starke - run the script using ``sh -x mkvtom2ts.sh'', you'll see every command it tries to execute
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18:25<starke>randstring="${string:0:30}"
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18:25<luser>what's the first line?
18:25<jordanm>that assumes its POSIX and not some other shell like bash... people tend to throw .sh on there
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18:27<starke>luser, #!/bin/bash
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18:27<luser>Odd, as bash does understand ${parameter:offset:length}
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18:28<zcomV2>erver irc.freenode.org
18:28<zcomV2>server irc.freenode.org
18:28<quitte>you just explicitly used sh instead of bash to interprete the file
18:29<zcomV2>sorry
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18:29<luser>starke - how did you run the script? 'sh mkvtom2ts.sh' or './mkvtom2ts.sh' ?
18:30<starke>nevermind
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18:30<starke>i have founfd the error of my ways
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18:38<dserban>I'm using the xfce terminal emulator and have noticed when I use aptitude and any other ncurses based program that draws dialog boxes on the console, that the characters that should represent lines and other things are quite off. Everything is a black circle with what looks like a white question mark inside. Is this a function of locales or my fonts? I am using monospace as the font for the terminal.
18:39<blowback>dserban: Make sure the font you're using has extended glyphs.. try another for comparison.
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18:39<dserban>blowback: ok will do, do you know if there's a default one that I should use?
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18:41<dserban>ok when I switch the terminal to using the "terminus" font, the black circles with question marks turn into empty blocks. It seems that the characters are not recognized .. somehow. I'll try a different font, though my fonts available are limited.
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18:41<dserban>I should probably install more, but which one?
18:42<blowback>Have a google around and see what suits.. there are plenty suitable.. andalemono, dejavu.. droid-ttf..
18:43<blowback>It sounds like maybe the characterset is wrong. Perhaps you've configured the wrong locale.
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18:43<dserban>Hmm well that says that I've got a different problem, I have tried dejavu sans mono, no go, same with andale. Maybe my locale is somehow messed up?
18:43<dserban>ok dpkg-reconfigure locales right?
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18:44<iAmerikan>I hate having an ATI card.
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18:45<dserban>[*] en_CA.UTF-8 UTF-8 <--- that looks right doesn't it?
18:45<luser>iAmerikan, then pity me - I've had about 10 over the years
18:45<blowback>See if you can find a script called uxterm to configure your terminal for UTF support.
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18:46<iAmerikan>luser, have you ever been successful with fglrx? Cause it's never worth it for me
18:47<dserban>hmm, I assume I need to feed it arguments since it fired up a terminal :)
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18:47<jordanm>luser: sorry had to afk a min. if you are interested in the problem with the expansion, it was most likely due to $string not being 31 characters
18:47<luser>iAmerikan - I'm have a radeon on this box, but this is a POWER, not an x86*, and I needed to disable several features in order for other features to work.
18:48<iAmerikan>luser, I gotcha.
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18:49<bodai>hi there
18:50<bodai>is it possible to install debian lenny to a floppy,than the rest to a usb pendrive?
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18:50<jordanm>IIRC, floppies were discontinued after sarge
18:50<luser>bodai - install a bootloader on the floppy, not linux
18:50<jordanm>!usb install
18:50<dpkg>Yes, it is possible to install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 . To download USB stick images, ask me about <install debian>. https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer/+download to prepare from Windows. BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html
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18:51<jordanm>bodai: see bootmanager
18:51<jhutchins_lt>bodai: Possible? How good a coder are you? Practical? Definitely not.
18:51<jhutchins_lt>He did ask about installing _to_ the combination.
18:51<jordanm>oh.. good catch
18:52<bodai>I mean the bootloader goes to floppy and the mass storage driver and the rest to a pendrive
18:52<luser>It can probably be done with a copperative enough BIOS that lets him view USB sticks as harddisks
18:52<luser>but in that case, there's no reason to boot from floppy
18:52<jhutchins_lt>bodai: Looks like plop + a live USB image would work.
18:53<jordanm>bodai: if bootmanager will work for boot the installer (which I have not tried), good chance it will also work for an install
18:53<bodai>i work on a diskless pc,with motion.a very compact 100mhz pc
18:53<luser>bodai - I need to test my latest kernel patch on your machine!
18:53<jordanm>sure thats not a paperweight?
18:53<jhutchins_lt>bodai: You may want to look at dsl or puppy linux, something designed for low-end hardware.
18:54<icebrain>bodai: is it connected to a network? You could boot through PXE
18:54<jhutchins_lt>That's probably what it does now.
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18:54<icebrain>I think it's the best bet, as he could load the kernel before trying to use the USB disk
18:55<bodai>here you go icebrain.
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18:57<bodai>the kernel would be on a floppy and the rest on a pendrive formated for ext4
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18:57<icebrain>bodai: the kernel doesn't fit on a floppy anymore, IIRC
18:58<jhutchins_lt>Correct.
18:58<luser>bodai - grab tomsrtbt, and see if it can detect your USB device. if it can, then there's possibly a way forwards.
18:58<luser>but we're outside the bounds of debian here
18:58<jhutchins_lt>bodai: However, you could have the _bootloader_ on a floppy and the kernel etc. on the usb drive.
18:58<bodai>or any idea how to put a mass storage driver and bootloader to floppy?
18:58<jhutchins_lt>luser: http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html
18:59<jhutchins_lt>bodai: http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html
18:59<jhutchins_lt>Already answered, pay attention.
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19:00<luser>and I answered that first!
19:00<bodai>thank you so much,I tried this one,but since it will work without a monitor I can't start automatically
19:01<bodai>i will login for this via ssh
19:01<luser>there are dozens of bootloaders to chose from, you just need to do a feature comparison - namely "can it use a USB stick as a block device"
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19:02<bodai>thank you so much,for the help
19:03<luser>if anything, plop's over-featured!
19:03<luser>"Enable and disable the starfield animation. "
19:04<bodai>plop is good,but can't boot automatically
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19:07<luser>http://syslinux.zytor.com/wiki/index.php/No_native_BIOS_support
19:08<luser>-> http://damnsmalllinux.org/wiki/index.php/Boot_Floppies
19:09<jhutchins_lt>luser: That page is wrong, before CD's became so generic there were boot floppies that chained the CD.
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19:10<jhutchins_lt>It contradicts itself...
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19:11<jhutchins_lt>luser: Any idea if puppy has a floppy option?
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19:12<luser>jhutchins_lt - I don't see an actual contradiction
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19:12<luser>and what do you mean by a 'floppy option' - it has bootable floppies
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19:26<smhar>greetings
19:26<smhar>I have been suffering a strange problem with my HUAWEI 3g internet usb device. I use it with 2 computers, both running updated squeeze. the desktop has no problem of being connected for days. the notebook can not stay connected for more than a couple of hours and many times less than 2 minutes. it works for a while then JUST disconnects.
19:26<smhar>I tried booting with acpi=off noacpi apic=off options but it still works for a while then disconnects
19:26<smhar>and this is the lspci: http://paste.debian.net/88927/
19:26<smhar>this is the messages log: http://paste.debian.net/88926/
19:28<jordanm>smhar: you can always try the mailing list
19:29<smhar>I was planning to do so if it was not solved here
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19:36<blarson>smhar: could be a problem of a loose usb connector or getting bumped. Try using a usb extention to see if it changes things.
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19:39<quitte>smhar: as it is a laptop maybe it's some usb autosuspend. http://www.lesswatts.org/projects/devices-power-management/usb.php tells you how to disable that
19:40<quitte>at the very bottom
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20:10<NaOH>hi. i'm a bit of a noob and i'm having some trouble dual booting CentOS and Debian
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20:11<NaOH>CentOS boots fine, but debian does not.
20:13<NaOH>here is my grub.conf: http://pastebin.com/4GnxYDPT
20:14<NaOH>i've tried everything from (hd0,0) to (hd0,5) for debian, but none worked, which is curious because (hd0,2) should have booted into CentOS, shouldn't it have?
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20:17<devil>only a paste of fdisk -l can answer that (i am wondering why you would use chainloader instead of putting grub to mbr and hae it picked up by grub)
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20:19<NaOH>because i am a noob haha
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20:24<NaOH>http://pastebin.com/hr7nAxTs
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20:32<devil>a noob using lvm?
20:33<markys>Hey there... a quick question: is there a way to see the year in the dates output by the 'last' command ?
20:33<NaOH>devil: that would be CentOS's default configuration. i just left it as is.
20:34<devil>NaOH: i dont know centos from own expirience
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20:36<devil>and i dont use lvm. so you are better of waiting for someone else to guide you. my ideawould be to put grub to mbr in the debian installer, it should pick up centos just fine
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20:37<NaOH>devil: do i need to reinstall the whole OS to do that?
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20:41<devil>NaOH: no, you dont. grub-install --root-directory=/media/sda1 /dev/sda should do from a root console
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20:42<NaOH>ok thank you
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20:44<Stephany>oii
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22:13<starke>hey anyone know how i can completely rebuild an apache install including config files
22:13<starke>i kinda fubared mine
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22:29<kasubai>hi all
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22:44<eightyeight>starke: aptitude purge apache2 && aptitude install apache2
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23:06<starke>eightyeight, fixed with dpkg thanks anyway
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23:07<amartinez>hello
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23:09<guilherme>hi, if i was running a program and hibernate, when i start again the program continues normally, right? is it safe?
23:09<blarson>guilherme: gernerally yes. Some programs get confused by the time jump.
23:11<guilherme>just by time jump? i was runnig a program that make some numeric calculus, do you think is it safe? i dont use time
23:11<blowback>guilherme: Should be fine.
23:11<guilherme>ok, thanks
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23:46<twb>So I have a sid system with stock .32 and .34 Debian kernels, and a .35-rc6+ of my own.
23:46<twb>I upgrade live-boot and live-config, and update-initramfs only recompiles the ramdisk for that last kernel. Why?
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23:51<ezufelt>Good evening, can someone point me to a tutorial on installing debian over telnet or ssh? I am having difficulty finding something. Rationale: blind admin needing to install and installer currently does not support software speech synthesis
23:53<twb>ezufelt: there are two steps
23:53<twb>ezufelt: first, you need to automate enough of the install that it can download, install and run the sshd udeb.
23:53<twb>ezufelt: second, you ssh in and perform the rest of the install using the normal curses debian-installer interface, over ssh.
23:54<twb>ezufelt: I assume you can read a curses GUI on your local machine?
23:54<ezufelt>twb: I believe that I should be able to read the gui
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23:55<ezufelt>I have three different screen-readers to choose from that I can use with an ssh client, so something will likely work
23:55<twb>ezufelt: other things you can do are: install over the serial port, or put the target disk into another machine and install there, then transplant the disk back
23:55<ezufelt>twb: Is it possible / easier to use telnet? I am installing locally, so there is no real security concern.
23:55<twb>AFAIK telnet is not supported
23:57<ezufelt>twb: that would explain not finding telnet docs. Thanks, you have been helpful. I actually have a hardware synth, but no port on this box to attach it to
23:57<twb>Easiest is if you have a serial connection -- you just have to add "console=ttyS0" to the bootloader options (either by modifying the boot image, or by typing it "blind" at the VGA console).
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23:58<twb>The reference for all this is the "installation-guide-amd64" package (where "amd64" is your architecture). The appendices cover various unusual installation methods.
23:58<twb>You can apt-get that doc, or find it on the web somewhere in debian.org
23:58<ezufelt>twb: thanks again, I'll follow up on this and see if I can get it working
23:58<eightyeight>coredump|away: no need to change your nick. just use '/away'. the rest of us can figure it out if we need to
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