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---Logopened Wed Sep 15 00:00:31 2010
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00:28<GhostlyDeath>Does xorg.conf not do anything?
00:29<GhostlyDeath>It appears it ignores mouse button remaps
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00:36<BarackO>anyone know how to get rid of the "NetworkManager: <WARN> default_adapter_cb(): bluez error getting default adapter: The name org.bluez was not provided by any .service files" error in syslog?
00:36<BarackO>I don't have bluetooth
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00:47<GhostlyDeath>Is there any way to disable the middle click pasting in X11?
00:48<GhostlyDeath>It's impossible to scroll through source code without everything in my clipboard which is randomly filled pasting everywhere
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01:19<joar>I'm strugling with phpmyadmin in Lenny, keep getting No data was received to import. Either no file name was submitted, or the file size exceeded the maximum size permitted by your PHP configuration. See FAQ 1.16. when trying to import .sql files
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01:21<joar>in php.ini upload_max_filesize is set to 400MB, post_max_size = 400M and memory limit is set to 64M, still phpmyadmin won't import a .sql file only 4.3MB large
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01:23<joar>I can't seem to find any hints on the net, 'everyone' suggests checking those php.ini variables, which shouldn't be the problem in my case (?) anybody been into the sam problem ?
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01:24<cesurasean>joar, have you asked this question in #httpd? on freenode?
01:25<cesurasean>or, you can always import via command line
01:25<joar>cesuasean: nope, but I'll have a go there, thnx
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01:25<joar>cesurasean: I prefer cli myself, my customer doesn't :p
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01:28<aip>anyone good at kernel compilation?
01:29<iCEmAN_CZ>i did it last time ... 5 years ago ;-)
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01:29<aip>I need to build a backport kernel that is a different version from the one I'm currently running
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01:30<aip>where is a good place to ask?
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01:43<jm_>!kp mantra
01:43<dpkg>hmm... kp mantra is make-kpkg clean ; export VER=$(date +'%Y%m%d') NAMEEXT="-$(hostname)-$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH)"; make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an <initrd>.
01:44<jm_>that should be enough
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01:45<aip>I have a headers package for the specific build I want, and a kernel source - how do I build the target version that I have headers for?
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01:47<jm_>you can't - you need kernel sources to build the kernel
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01:49<aip>I have the 2.6.32 source, and the linux-headers-2.6.32-bpo.4-686
01:49<aip>what else do I need?
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01:52<jm_>compiler etc. ;)
01:53<aip>ok, so when I make the kernel in my source directory, it's not the same version as my headers.
01:54<aip>how do I tell the build I want the 2.6.32-bpo.4-686 target?
01:55<jm_>please don't do that
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02:04<aip>so it's impossible to build a custom kernel based on a backport?
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02:06<jm_>no it's not
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02:39<rsmith_>Do you guys use texinfo to create the manuals in html/pdf/txt format?
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03:04<em-tan>how di I go about changing my resolution in shell?
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03:16<westwood>Hi there.
03:17<Nemoder>em-tan: if you are in x-windows use xrandr. if you are in console only you can set it as a boot parameter
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03:18<jm_>or use old stuff like stm
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03:19<westwood>I'm using sid, and when I put my notebook to sleep, I can't get back to my system when I wake it up. I'm not talking about the radeon graphics, that my vga didn't resume I expected, but I can't access my machine using serial and ssh either.
03:19<westwood>when I boot with "init=/bin/bash" and
03:19<westwood>spawn a serial terminal
03:19<westwood>I can resume from sleep...
03:19<westwood>any ideas?
03:19<jm_>how do you put it to sleep?
03:19<westwood>echo 3 > /proc/acpi/sleep
03:20<jm_>did you try using s2ram?
03:20<jm_>it has different methods to try
03:20<westwood>I think I tried that some time, I don't remember completely
03:20<westwood>But in single user mode I can get to sleep this way, and resume
03:22<westwood>I have a lot of problems with standby and ACPI, on a lot of machines, not only debian, other linux distributions and several Windows versions as well
03:22<westwood>is this common?
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03:22<jm_>for linux it often is, for windows it is more reliable since this is what vendors test against
03:23<mjt>um. Gnome-terminal, when clicking on a url inside, tells me "Unable open `url': The given address is not supported" (translated from russian). What does this mean?
03:23<Lethalman>mjt, maybe there's no handler for the protocol you're trying to open
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03:24<mjt>apparently. the question is how to fix that ;)
03:24<Lethalman>mjt, what's the protocol is the question
03:24<westwood>jm_, what is different about s2ram?
03:24<mjt>mailto does not work too
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03:24<Lethalman>mjt, is gvfsd running?
03:25<mjt>i don't have it installed
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03:25<Lethalman>mjt, err sorry that shouldn't be the reason
03:26<jm_>westwood: try this
03:26<mjt>Lethalman: that is not ;)
03:27<Lethalman>mjt, gconftool --get /desktop/gnome/url-handlers/http/command
03:27<mjt>gconftool --get /desktop/gnome/url-handlers/http/command
03:27<mjt>found it in
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03:28<westwood>jm_, broken kernel modules can crash your system while suspending to ram, right?
03:28<mjt>ok, that looks correct
03:28<mjt>$ gconftool --get /desktop/gnome/url-handlers/http/command
03:28<mjt>iceweasel %s
03:28<mjt>(iceweasel is installed)
03:28<Lethalman>mjt, you should be able to do that in the preferences by setting your default applications
03:28<jm_>westwood: yes
03:28<westwood>But those problems should arise when you put it to sleep rather then when you try to resume, right?
03:28<Lethalman>mjt, check for /enabled then
03:28<mjt>true :)
03:28<jm_>westwood: both types of problems are common
03:29<mjt>i tried strace'ing gnome-terminal, it does not try to run any command it just displays the dialog
03:29<westwood>This might be the reason why it works in single user mode, and not in multi-user mode...
03:30<jm_>could be yes - the problem is this stuff is hard to debug when you have no video or remote connectivity :)
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03:31<westwood>video I can live without, I just use vbetool afterward, but I do need some soft of terminal, yes :)
03:32<mjt>westwood: btw, so far, for me anyway, i had much more probs with s2ram than with s2disk. Apparently more hw isn't able to work correctly after s2ram - probably because after s2disk stuff gets reinitialized properly.
03:32<jm_>yeah, s2disk means it goes through BIOS etc.
03:32<westwood>yes, you get through the BIOS again, right?
03:32<westwood>you say it already
03:33<westwood>s2ram is faster ;)
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03:35<jm_>hmm a while ago my gkrellm started exiting with 'zsh: profile signal gkrellm' - need to figure out why
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03:35<mjt>blah. I can't even switch to another language. I stopped all gnome-terminals, and restarted one with LANG=en; It still displays stuff in russian.
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03:36<mjt>(much more difficult to google ;)
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03:38<mjt>Lethalman: do you know anything about gvfs? Apparently it is trying to lookup some gvfs "mount point", fwiw...
03:38<mjt>(I only use gnome-terminal from the gnome environment)
03:39<Lethalman>mjt, I'm just reading gio code
03:39<mjt>(And it is also tries to open various.. well.. weird files.
03:39<mjt>31934 open("/home/mjt/.config/libfm/pref-apps.conf", O_RDONLY|O_LARGEFILE) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
03:39<mjt>31934 open("\320\243\347\366\320\243\347\366t/.config/libfm/pref-apps.conf", O_RDONLY|O_LARGEFILE) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
03:39<mjt>the last one :)
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03:40<mjt>and later on,
03:40<mjt>writev(19, [{"l\1\0\1I\0\0\0\5\0\0\0\230\0\0\0\1\1o\0\31\0\0\0/org/gtk/vfs/mounttracker\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\6\1s\0\22\0\0\0org.gtk.vfs.Daemon\0\0\0\0\0\0\2\1s\0\30\0\0\0org.gtk.vfs.MountTracker\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\3\1s\0\v\0\0\0lookupMount\0\0\0\0\0\10\1g\0\n(aya(say))\0", 168}, {"\1\0\0\0/\0\0\0009\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\4\0\0\0type\0\0\0\0\4\0\0\0http\0\0\0\0\3\0\0\0uri\0\25\0\0\0", 73}], 2) = 241
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03:43<Lethalman>mjt, I feel you need gvfs-backends
03:44<Lethalman>mjt, just reading the code of the gconf gio extension point for looking up appinfo
03:44<mjt>what i actually need is to fix lxterminal
03:44<Lethalman>mjt, if lxterminal is using gio to open uris, you still need gvfs-backends
03:44<mjt>it is not
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03:46<Lethalman>mjt, it uses xdg-open
03:46<mjt>#594762 ;)
03:47<mjt>and also #539952 which is not fixed still
03:48<Lethalman>mjt, what's the relation of those two with the url?
03:48<jm_>uhh another one of those - all instances run in one process ;)
03:48<mjt>Lethalman: that's the two bugs in lxterm that prevents me from using it
03:49<mjt>so now i'm hitting... issues in gnome-terminal
03:49<mjt>which is a monster
03:49<Lethalman>mjt, for gnome-terminal you need gvfs-backends
03:49<mjt>just to click on a url? :)
03:49<Lethalman>yes :(
03:49<westwood>jm_, I got it: it is radeon.ko that's causing me trouble
03:49<mjt>westwood: what kernel version?
03:50<westwood>whatever is in sid ;)
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03:50<mjt>blah. and gvfs-backends pulls another dozen of packages.
03:50<westwood>I don't know by heart...
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03:50<jm_>westwood: as in KMS?
03:51<westwood>jm_, ?
03:51<mjt>yes jm_
03:51<jm_>westwood: kernel mode setting
03:51<westwood>ATI sucks!
03:51<mjt>Lethalman: thanks! Now it _finally_ works - the urls. Not that I'm satisfied, but that's another story :)
03:52<Lethalman>mjt, I know, that's all but nice
03:52<mjt>so far ati has best drivers out there (if not counting intel that has no graphics)
03:52<westwood>In linux, I can get more out of my old Voodoo2 card, then out of recent ATI graphic cards
03:53<cmot>is there any good diff-like tool for xml files?
03:53<cmot>I get some db dumps in xml format regularly, and would like to get an overview on what was changed.
03:54<mjt>heh. voodoo2 - 1998 year.
03:54<westwood>mjt, could you explain that to me?
03:54<mjt>explain what? :)
03:54<westwood>"ati has best drivers..."
03:55<mjt>um. what's unclear in there?
03:55<mjt>we've nvivia, ati, and a bunch of smaller stuff (via, intel)
03:55<inkbottle>Hi, on a Dell precision m4300 (laptop), I have a nosy beep issue. I already did the pcspkr blacklist trick. Say I have no beep in X-mode; but as soon as I use a virtual console, it is here and loud. (also the volume control hotkeys produce a ~, and a beep in console mode, though they have expected behavior with X)
03:55<westwood>mjt, I think they suck...
03:55<mjt>ati cards has best drivers for linux
03:56<mjt>ok, intel is better, but their hw suck
03:56<inkbottle>It's very annoying for a laptop
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03:57<inkbottle>if ever have heard of special hard(firm)ware issues with those laptops, please tell me
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03:58<jm_>inkbottle: you want to shut it off or what?
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04:00<inkbottle>jm_: yes
04:01<cmot>Hmm. diffxml
04:01<jm_>inkbottle: /msg dpkg shell beep ; /msg dpkg bell
04:01<cmot>sounds nice. java.lang.OutOfMemoryError on my file (800k lines)
04:02<westwood>jm_, how do I get rid of the radeon framebuffer?
04:03<jm_>westwood: disable kms
04:04<westwood>where do I have to look?
04:05<dpkg>[KMS] Kernel Mode Setting, where the initialization of graphical modes is performed by the Linux kernel instead of X. It is hardware dependent, introduced in Linux 2.6.29. Enabled via modprobe as of xserver-xorg-video-intel 2:2.9.1-2 and xserver-xorg-video-radeon 1:6.12.192-2. To disable, edit /etc/modprobe.d/{i915,radeon}-kms.conf or boot with the 'nomodeset' kernel command line parameter.
04:05<jm_>might be worth trying a newer kernel too since radeon KMS is still going through a lot of changes
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04:07<westwood>jm_, I'm at linux 2.6.32-5-686
04:07<dpkg>To disable the bell: "xset b off" in X, "setterm -blength 0" in console. For some reason, bash beeps excessively when in emacs (default) mode; "set -o vi" puts it in vi editing mode, which doesn't beep on partial completions. In konsole, Settings->Bell->Visible Bell. See also <pcspkr>, <shell beep>, <metacity bell bug>.
04:08<inkbottle>!shell beep
04:08<dpkg>[shell beep] man inputrc ; man readline (i.e. edit ~/.inputrc and set bell-style none) - also man setterm.
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04:08<dpkg>The PC Speaker makes an annoying BEEPing <bell> sound from within your computer (usually a piezoelectric speaker, attached to the motherboard). Blacklist "pcspkr" (PC Speaker beeper driver) to kill it, ask me about <blacklist>. snd-pcsp (PC Speaker sound card driver) is blacklisted by default since alsa-driver 1.0.17.dfsg-4.
04:08<jm_>westwood: right, that's ancient as far as radeon kms goes
04:08<jm_>inkbottle: please use /msg for mass queries
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04:09<inkbottle>jm_: sorry, I use Konversation, and I don't get the messages
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04:10<jm_>inkbottle: it's probably in another tab or so
04:12<inkbottle>jm_: I already blacklisted pcspkr, and I can check it is not loaded using lsmod. There should be no system bell...
04:12<westwood>jm_, Thanks a lot!
04:12<jm_>westwood: no worries
04:12<inkbottle>I can't see what is going wrong
04:13<jm_>inkbottle: including alsa driver for it?
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04:14<quiritius>hi! I get this error: and my dell latitude d630 wakes up to a wrong console after suspend-to-ram. where to look to fix that?
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04:15<inkbottle>jm_: hum, pcspkr depends on alsa driver?
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04:15<jm_>inkbottle: no, but there is also an alsa driver for it
04:15<inkbottle>jm_: and won't work without?
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04:20<jm_>inkbottle: no, they are two independent drivers
04:23<inkbottle>jm_: I installed alsa-base; and after alsa reload; the beep seems gone. Just to know, what would have been the other driver? oss?
04:24<jm_>inkbottle: no, the dumb pc speaker driver
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04:26<inkbottle>jm_: ok, so it wasn't working then. thanks a lot, this noise was very annoying :-)
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05:03<Bateman>Hi all!!!
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05:07<hate29>Hi, how can I restart X easily? It use to be ctrl+alt+backspace but it doesn't work now? I'm using Squeeze.
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05:08<jm_>restart display manager or enable ctrl-alt-backspace
05:08<hate29>How can I enable it?
05:08<gsimmons>dpkg: tell hate29 -about dontzap
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05:14<jm_>it mentions dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration - perhaps that needs to be added to keymap factoid since that apparently doesn't ask about it
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05:18<hate29>I wonder why it is disabled by default? It is quite useful in the end.
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05:22<jm_>hate29: heh to protect lamers from accidentally hitting it
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05:22<lav1968>i doubt that
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05:26<jm_>no need to doubt it - go find the heated discussion that started when this was implemented
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05:49<sidRo>i use debian KDE
05:49<sidRo>my device notifier don`t show my data CDs
05:49<sidRo>or DVDs
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05:50<sidRo>only blanck disks ar showed by notifier
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05:51<sidRo>need autofs to be installed?
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05:56<mmyself>why is Parsix 3.6 so unstable?lems!y stable. Too many prob Especially when other versions are ver
05:56<mmyself>Does anything work properly in Linux?
05:57<mmyself>Can't even get 'focus' correct in Parsix - Hell!
05:57<mmyself>Why cannot programmers actually do testing on PC they do not set-up themselves
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05:58<blarson>sidRo: what is your /etc/fstab entry for your cd/dvd drive?
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05:59<le0>nice day at all , the session controled by working fine on squeeze and gentoo!
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06:00<sidRo>fstab /dev/sr0 /media/dvd udf,iso9660 noauto,ro,users 0 0
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06:01<sidRo>fstab /dev/sr0 /media/dvd udf,iso9660 noauto,ro,users 0 0
06:01<blarson>sidRo: no auto means don't automaticly mount
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06:02<sidRo>try your solution
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06:07<le0>my share off some hardware devices trught udevfs has working fine too my widged to view cpu cores proccess has show one load smal of them but i believe that no it's only used for me this phisical cpu at last moments, if this type off info help to debug say to me and i maintain this type off comments aleatory or give me a bot to i need send this type off comments to redirect to developers envolved
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06:08<dpkg>The language of #debian is English. We will do our best to help you regardless of your level of English but you might be more comfortable asking for help in your own language. Ask me about your language code for more information, for example /msg dpkg br ; /msg dpkg pt ; /msg dpkg es ; /msg dpkg fr ; /msg dpkg de
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06:10<le0>please anyone talk to dpkg when i alreeeady has speaching in english, i have not a rich vocabulary in english but alreeeady i believe it is standeable...
06:11<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
06:11<jm_>try asking there
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06:13<le0>jm_: i qlready have to pratice more my english if us permit i try speech in english with yours ok
06:14<le0>the keys and of my keyboard has been changed for one intervention of any but i don't know why...
06:14<jm_>le0: it's ok but i have no idea what you are asking about (i don't undestand any of it)
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06:20<le0>try search help about linux environment fo a full working architecture off one full operatiional system components, maybe your abstraction level for the layers used to divide various subsystems related to do one operating systems do not permit you and some others to known me but i already have knownledge that have anyone understand me better and i not crazy!
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06:21<sia>i've been trying to write some sort of script which would allow me to download multiple files from rapidshare like websites using multiple valid ip addresses on the same linux machine , does anyone have any ideas
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06:23<jm_>sia: did you check if any of rapidshare download tools on freshmeat already support this?
06:24<sia>jm_: i tried tucanmanager and jdownloader , both of them do not support such feature
06:25<jm_>sia: there are others listed there too
06:26<sia>jm_: i'll take a look at them , other than that , just for my own information , is it possible, to run an application with a different ip address in linux ?
06:26<sia>jm_: i was thinking about a jail like mechanism , but it'll waste so much of resources i assume
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06:27<jm_>sia: sure, you can do it - several apps support such things
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06:29<le0>i don't know one reeeal fact or attitude from me to justify put me in one jail, i not are one bad guy!
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06:31<sia>jm_: can you name one ?
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06:35<le0>i stay hungry but not made bad actions or criminal abuses using my knownledge god star king believe in me.(i not are perturbed too), so need much training in english to put my things accessible to one god with speach only english or undeeerstand a little bit for others language, thanks and excuse me for the confused messages but i maybe that is necessary.
06:36<locklace>!confuse le0
06:36<dpkg>Yes, how are your pineapple today, le0? Breeches of the Dictatorship of Micronesia with extra cream.
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06:48<jm_>sia: any irc client that supports virtual hosts for example (and please don't ask yes/no questions)
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06:59<le0>anyone known if exists #debian-developers channel or #debian-developers-us or #debian-developers-br, any advice i realy thanks!
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07:05<le0>dpkg: my pineapple has fine and your npn transistors are fine too?
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07:06<cmot>Yodel! any embedded folks around?
07:06<cmot>I'm looking for a howto for a (easy?) set up of an embedded board emulated in gdb or whatever
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07:06<cmot>really just for fun, to play around with mips or arm and learn a bit about emulators
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07:07<cmot>(so maybe gdb is the wrong tools? Maybe I remember wrong, but doesn't gdb has a built in emulator for some cpu archs?
07:08<cmot>Hmm. did I mean qemu instead?
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07:16<le0>this is one joke to made one separation under not artificial and artificial inteligence,"the mind control the body guided by soul the root is a communication under the wind and the earth to made life"
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07:19<locklace>if crimes against the english language were punishable, you'd be facing a firing squad
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07:36<Strato>Which image should i download for amd64
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07:37<Strato>Can you install UFW on Debian 5.0?
07:37<Strato>There are different images for the amd64 should i download all of them
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07:37<Strato>647MB etc
07:38<Strato>cd 1-2-3-4
07:38<blowback>Strato: Just grab #1.
07:38<jm_>netinstall should be enough if you can install the rest from a CD, otherwise CD1 is enough and install the rest from the net
07:38<jm_>from the net, not from a CD
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07:38<Strato>WHy r those file sizes different, why do they differ?
07:38<cthuluh>they don't contain the same packages
07:38<jm_>because thereis different content on them
07:39<Strato>Okay so the idea behind it is that if you have all cds that u can install debian5.0 without going online, while if you only download #1 you gotta download the rest
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07:40<Strato>And about UFW thats an IPtable program in Ubuntu 10.04 is that also available in Debian 5.0?
07:40<Strato>with sudo apt-get install gufw or ufw
07:40<Strato>With that you can easily manage your firewall traffic in and outbound
07:41<Strato>Not sure about IPtables
07:41<jm_>ufw is only available in testing
07:41<Strato>Okay so i should grab the testing image for UFW
07:42<jm_>no, install using minimal set using a stable CD then upgrade
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07:43<Strato>so i should satill download cd #1 of debian 5.0 the stable release and then upgrade to the test version
07:44<jm_>i would use netinst, unles you can't access internet in installer (i.e. wireless or so)
07:44<Strato>Im using a wired connection
07:45<jm_>(in installer or with just base installed)
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07:45<jm_>what kind?
07:45<Strato>Im behind a router through a NAT0network thats all i know
07:45<jm_>ahh so external router - netinst CD shall be fine
07:46<Strato>DO you have a link for me/
07:46<Strato>cant find it
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07:49<Strato>Okay and uh do you have to use a command in the terminal after you have used the netinst cd
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07:49<Strato>for 6.0 testing
07:49<dpkg>Ask me about <squeeze udev>, as you will need to upgrade to the squeeze kernel and reboot first. Remove any APT source specific to stable (such as volatile) or bpo, then s/lenny/squeeze/ on your sources.list and then aptitude update && aptitude install aptitude linux-image-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,'` ; reboot; aptitude safe-upgrade && aptitude full-upgrade. Also ask me about <d-d-a>, <apt-listchanges>, <testing>, <squeeze release notes>.
07:50<jm_>so yes, you apparently need to be careful about it
07:52<Strato>I dont really wanna burn a CD, is there no way to copy the file on your hard disck and go on from there
07:52<Strato>instead of using a cd
07:52<Strato>second disk or something
07:52<jm_>you can install from usb, hard disk, ... - please read installation manual
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07:52<Strato>with the .iso?
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07:54<Strato>so uh i dont wanna screw up my vista installation - is it safe to install Debian 5.0 alongside vista
07:54<Strato>on the same hard dick
07:55<Strato>well i only got 1 hard disk
07:55<Strato>i dont have much choice
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07:55<Strato>wwhat i mean is if it wouldnt conflict with vista
07:55<Strato>in any way
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07:56<Zaka>hello, i used zcat to create an usb debian installer, but my laptop keyboard is not detected, how can i configure it ? plz
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07:56<jm_>no, as long as you don't overwite its partition(s)
07:56<Strato>I coudl also install it through VMware player to be safe
07:57<Strato>for the first installation
07:57<Strato>Is Debian faster than Ubuntu?
07:57<Strato>In terms of loading / speed/ cpu/ fps etc etc
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07:58<Strato>I mean ubuntu is built upon debian
07:58<TiNRiB>my debian gnome install is lighter than the ubuntu default
07:58<Zaka>jm_ how can i do it ? which file ?
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07:58<TiNRiB>so it runs on less memory
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07:58<TiNRiB>hard to notice difference though.
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07:59<Strato>Thats what i want, mainly gonna use it for a CSS dedicated server :D
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07:59<jm_>Zaka: ehh?
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08:00<Strato>Is there and md5 file
08:00<Zaka>lol i thought u speak with me
08:00<Strato>to compare
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08:01<Zaka>i want to ask somethig if somebody can help me
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08:01<jm_>md5 file for what?
08:01<Strato>for the netinst cd
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08:01<jm_>Zaka: try using kernel options that are mentioned in help screens at debian boot prompt
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08:02<jm_>yes, md5sums are on the site too
08:02<old>Strato: Should be.
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08:02<Zaka>jm_ how can i read that if i have no acces to my keyboard ?
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08:03<jm_>Zaka: even in the boot loader? note that this comes into play before linux kernel is loaded
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08:03<Strato>Cant find the m5 for the 64bit
08:04<Strato>wanna help
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08:04<jm_>read the FAQ and you'll get the answer
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08:04<Zaka>jm_ the boot loader u meant grub ? i have other debian installed in other partition and it working good with my keyboard
08:04<Zaka>but now with this new isntalation is not working from the first main menu of the installation
08:05<Zaka>from usb of course
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08:09<TiNRiB>Pop quiz - iphone or Android. What's your preference?
08:11<bzed>TiNRiB: our preference is no offtopic stuff here.
08:11<TiNRiB>haha ok.
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08:18<jm_>Zaka: installation media typically use syslinux
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08:25<Zaka>jm_ here u can see my files ...
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08:41<Strato>Im now downloading this image:
08:41<Strato>the full testing image 4,4 GB :P
08:41<weasel>it's not full
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08:41<Strato>well kinda
08:41<weasel>not even kinda
08:41<Strato>4,4GB ?
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08:41<Strato>Theresm ore data?
08:41<weasel>iirc one arch of squeeze takes about 8 dvd images currently
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08:42<Strato>ANyways, ii be able to auto-update through the internet by installing the first image, aint?
08:42<weasel>yes. which is why you could just download a 100mb installer cd image right now :)
08:42<Strato>same as with squeeze 506
08:42<weasel>and get the rest from the network
08:42<weasel>unless the place were you'll install only has sucky network
08:43<Strato>Nah,, ii install the #1 dvd image, so i dont have to download awhole lot of packages
08:43<Strato>Im installing it onVMware player - bridged
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08:43<weasel>you're downloading them anyway. right now :)
08:44<Strato>Are we talking about the graphical debian environment or the erver environment of debian?
08:44<Strato>Ubuntu has a desktop and server image
08:45<weasel>no such distinction in debian
08:45<Strato>Uh but debian is a graphical environment isnt?
08:45<weasel>if you install one
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08:45<weasel>I usually install from
08:45<Strato>with a mouse and keyboard
08:46<weasel>Wed 14:45:44 <weasel> if you install one
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08:46<Strato>Thjx but im already downloading the full image currently
08:47<Strato>number #1
08:47<weasel>"full image"
08:48<Strato>dvd 1
08:48<Strato>that sounds bettr
08:48<le0>anyone known anithing about direct render works under ati hd 42XX series borads under http i only encounter sites directed to use off ati drivers from ati, any advance i realy thanks
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08:50<Strato>Btw weasel uh i wanna install the test image not squeeze 506
08:50<Strato>the newest/latest development release
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08:50<jordanm>squeeze is testing, and it won't be version 5 when its released
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08:51<Strato>u mean version 6?
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08:51<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See
08:53<Strato>u is short for you im using that cuzi ts easier than typing the full work you
08:53<Strato>u or you what does it matter anyways?
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08:54<Strato>Its easier to type U than YOU in chat
08:54<Flavius_Julius_Julus>I have debian 4 on a laptop with a non-working cddrom drive and a dialup internet connection. Its so behind on updates that when i try to update programs I use it wants to download over 100mb How can I install new debian on it from my desktop Ubuntu computer?
08:54<themill>Strato: think about how people with weak English skills will cope with such slang.
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08:55<weasel>also, it's more annoying to read. and there are more readers here. and it's you who wants something from us after all, so please play by the rules or find another venue
08:55<jordanm>Flavius_Julius_Julus: you might be able to make something happen with debootstrap, or you could drop the packages on your other machine and use it as a local repository
08:55<jordanm>!tell Flavius_Julius_Julus about debootstrap
08:56<Flavius_Julius_Julus>Thanks Ill check that out. I tried tftpboot the dhcp would work but the tftpboot would hang every time.
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08:58<jm_>Flavius_Julius_Julus: or using apt-zip if it's available in etch
08:58<jm_>Flavius_Julius_Julus: ahh you want to reinstall, not upgrade?
08:58<Strato>Ok sorry then it is lalowedo n most irc networks/servers -:)
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08:59<Flavius_Julius_Julus>yes reinstall debian 5
08:59<Flavius_Julius_Julus>well actually new install deb 5
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08:59<jm_>why not boot from USB or hard disk then?
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09:00<Strato>thats a very good question though
09:00<Flavius_Julius_Julus>If i could install it straight from the hd it would be great. Cant afford to spend any money no usb drives unemployed
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09:01<jordanm>Flavius_Julius_Julus: if you remove the harddrive and put it in another machine, you can then use debootstrap to install on that hard drive
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09:02<Flavius_Julius_Julus>Ive never had a laptop open didnt know you could do that. I might try that if I have to and is doable.
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09:03<jordanm>Flavius_Julius_Julus: depending on the laptop, it could be a couple screws to get the hard drive out, or you may have to disassemble the entire laptop
09:03<jordanm>*most* i have seen provide easy access however
09:04<Flavius_Julius_Julus>Ill have a look at it thanks. =o)> Its a compaq presario 2100
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09:05<Strato>Mine is a Amd Athlon 2 X4 630 processor with 2,8 GHZ -> QuadCore
09:05<Flavius_Julius_Julus>spilled beer in the keyboard lol it has a external keyboard. Im not too worried about it. I will eventually get it
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09:07<Strato>Can i hidem y IP i mean
09:07<Strato>Can i hide my IP here in chat
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09:07<Strato>dont wanna expose my IP to everyone
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10:00<hellboy>hi ganneff
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10:03<hellboy>anybody there
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10:03<themill>hellboy: do you have a debian question we can help you with?
10:03<hellboy>yup i have
10:04<hellboy>actually i have some questions related to backtrack Who can help me ???
10:04<dpkg>BackTrack is not Debian and is not supported in #debian (ask me about <based on debian>). Try or #backtrack-linux on instead. BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux.
10:04<hellboy>ok thanks
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10:05<le0>why i can see the current video driver loaded by xorg i never remember the exact comand line syntax by a varios diferences betwhen hes, thanks
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10:06<jordanm>le0: look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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10:09<le0>ok jordanm thanks
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10:21<kcynice>im failed to install nvidia display driver with a error message says no precompiled kernel interface was found to match my kernel. how to reslove this problem?
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10:22<MrFrood>compile a kernel interface to match your kernel
10:23<kcynice>but, how?
10:23<MrFrood>The Debian wiki has a nice page all about installin nvidia drivers
10:23<kcynice>i already have installed kernel headers for my kernel
10:24<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see . If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (
10:26<kcynice>oh. thanks. i will have a try follow that page.
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10:36<stagista>Hi, I'm running Debian Lenny and I'd like to install PostgreSQL version 8.1, is it possibile? Is there any mirror where I can fetch the old software? Thanks.
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10:37<jordanm>,versions postgresql
10:37<judd>postgresql -- etch: 7.5.22; etch-backports: 8.3.9-0lenny1~bpo40+1; lenny: 8.3.11-0lenny1; lenny-security: 8.3.11-0lenny1; lenny-backports: 8.4.4-1~bpo50+1; sid: 8.4.4-1; sid: 8.4.4-2; squeeze: 8.4.4-2
10:37<jordanm>stagista: you can find an old package from, or you can compile youself to /usr/locals
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10:38<stagista>jordanm: ok, I try on snapshots :)
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11:00<jww_>I'm looking for a tool that allow to extract a part of a movie, like the top half of the screen or something. can somebody suggest a software ?
11:00<le0>if anyone can help me to obtain better performance or (and) configuration off my xorg environment please see this is my log.
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11:02<jww_>le0: sounds ok to me.
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11:08<le0>jww_: if you have inteerest to help me to configure this host for share passwords with others using correct methods, i never want prejudicate anybody.
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11:09<le0>jww_: about the tool to capture or extract video i don't have any praaatice with this
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11:09<jww_>heh neither I am.
11:10<jww_>what do you want to do with those passwords ?
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11:11<old>jww_: gopchop to extract parts (of time, not geometry) of mpegs. LiVES has plugin to crop videos. Probably other video editing tool has this function too. Mencoder maybe?
11:12<le0>secur more my peeeersonal operating system to not permit my knonlegde and configurations to perturb others and continue my studies under correct and guided form, the greeeat law be applyed for me it's my respect to god for my conception over he.
11:12<jww_>I tried lives, but it keep on crashing.
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11:13<jww_>le0: wow that that a goal :)
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11:15<jww_>le0: so who do you want to share passwords with ?
11:16<jww_>old: don't seems mencoder can split a video geometry wise.
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11:18<le0>jww_: to respect the natural order of responsability over responsables for operational systems coordenation and inteegration areas.
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11:20<le0>based in pure conscience to say i'm unddertand that is not need say i'm ever or prof that all time. ok for you jww_?
11:20<le0>"understand" excuse for a kdb err.
11:20<jww_>I'm not sure to understand you, but keep on, it's funny !
11:20<old>jww_: The fact that mplayer shares manpage with mencoder is very confusing...
11:21<jww_>I agree old.
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11:22<jww_>le0: okay. so you want to share passwords ? tell me more about how many computers and what those passwords are used for.
11:22<le0>ok my friend
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11:26<le0>i try this under braazilian chanels but have hass blocked or invited under my knownlege and thinks and ideas for a great time and never give a naturaaal chance to demonstate the use off my vocations. excuse a poor vocaaburaly with your and others help to pratice them i advance in english use i belive with is open doors for my studdy and computer science passion
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11:27<alpheb>jww_: did you try ffmpeg?
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11:27<jww_>alpheb: not directly, does it allow to cut a video geometry wise ?
11:27<jww_>I must check that.
11:27<le0>the lag here is around 234 ms
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11:29<jww_>alpheb: you rock !
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11:29<jww_>I really not thinked it was able to do it.
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11:32<le0>when i started with computer's i made frequency capture of static energy off the tv thats plugged to stdout using simple programs to capture touch off points in one rgb tv screen.
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11:33<le0>today i think it's possible with monitos use to capture images, it's true?
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11:34<jww_>I dunno le0 .
11:35<old>garamszegi: Hello.
11:35<garamszegi>hello old
11:35<dpkg>#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
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11:55<le0>jww_: i see the ipcs table and have one www-data proccess in use os resources of my hw and cpu monitor widget indicate one percentual off cpu cores usage large for the actual tasks off my logged user when i procced to view proccess and users related to them, i maybe some of them are over osi 7 layer model. it's possible?
11:56<chaos>garamszegi hehe
11:58<jww_>le0: you need to talk about debian specific stuff in #debian.
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11:58<jww_>#debian = voce falae debian :)
12:00<le0>all excuse for offtopic.
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12:46<cesurasean>Can someone PLEASE help me create a simple bash script using what i have so far? I just need to run these three lines of commands -
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12:48<bremner>cesurasean: maybe you want #bash on freenode?
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12:49<dpkg>[abs] The Advanced Bash-Scripting Guide, an in-depth exploration of the art of shell scripting, can be found at . Packaged for Debian as abs-guide in non-free, ask me about <non-free sources>. See also <bash faq>, <bash pitfalls> or ask in #bash on and
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12:54<dajhorn>cesurasean: Remember to `chmod a+x` your shell script.
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13:18<le0>anyone known if is possible enable direct render fo ati video device using open source driver, thanks !
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13:20<jordanm>le0: yes
13:20<dpkg>To use an ATI graphics card with Debian, ask me about <radeon>, <radeonhd>, <fglrx>. See also <radeon vs radeonhd>. Installing proprietary drivers from (i.e. with the ATI Driver Installer) is not supported in #debian, please go to #ati (
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13:23<le0>jordanm: to obtain any help about open source dddebian package where i go o try google but no success, thks.
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13:24<jordanm>le0: here. did you look at the wiki page for radeon?
13:24<le0>i try this now thanks for the idea!
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13:35<le0>jordanm: i try but aptitude not encounter the package firmware-linux-nonfree indicated on wiki-debian what is the trouble? thks
13:35<steve_>what is the cheapest way to get a cloud server? amazon ec2? rackspace?
13:36<steve_>i need it to run DEBIAN
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13:37<jordanm>le0: have you enabled the non-free repository in /etc/apt/sources.list?
13:37<jordanm>steve_: perhaps
13:38<le0>yes jordanm non-free has enabled
13:39<jordanm>le0: ah, sorry, its only available from backports non-free. you must enable the backports repository
13:39<dpkg> (formerly is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read to enable and use. See also <bdo key> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo kernel> <bdo users>.
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13:41<BarackO>according to the swapon manpage it is suppose to fail silently if the swap partition is already activated - however it seems not to be the case for me - any ideas what I am doing wrong?
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13:41<le0>jordanm: i using squeeze not cause problem use lenny repository
13:42<jordanm>,versions firmware-linux-nonfree
13:42<BarackO>(my issue is that my system tries to activate swap 3 times during boot - 1 is successful and the other 2 fail noisily)
13:42<judd>firmware-linux-nonfree -- lenny-backports/non-free: 0.24~bpo50+1; sid/non-free: 0.26; squeeze/non-free: 0.26
13:42<jordanm>le0: should be in squeeze non-free. make sure you "aptitude update" after adding non-free
13:42<ezufelt>I started the default apach2 mpm-worker process and it used 550mb more memory than when it was stopped. Is this accurate? How can I get an accurate memory usage reading? I used 'free -m'
13:43<jordanm>BarackO: what does fstab look like? what do the failures say?
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13:43<BarackO>jordanm: I got 1 standard entry for swap UUID none swap defaults,sw 0 0
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13:44<jordanm>BarackO: don't use "defaults" for swap
13:44<jordanm>BarackO: what version of debian is this?
13:44<BarackO>jordanm: the failure - swapon: /dev/mapper/UKLA1E527502734-swap_1: swapon failed: Device or resource busy
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13:45<BarackO>jordanm: ok I'll remove defaults, but I got the same errors without it
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13:45<jordanm>BarackO: uhh, you know you could have just named that partition "swap"?
13:45<BarackO>jordanm: I'm running debian squeeze
13:45<jordanm>or lv I should say
13:46<BarackO>jordanm: my swap partition is under lvm - it does have a LABEL of swap_1
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13:48<BarackO>swapon -s shows /dev/dm-1 mounted (and /dev/mapper/UKLA1E527502734-swap_1 is a symlink to it)
13:48<jordanm>BarackO: ah right, its the volume group name that is really crazy
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13:48<BarackO>jordanm: yes
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13:53<BarackO>jordanm: the failures don't show up in dmesg /var/log/syslog or /var/log/boot
13:53<BarackO>they are only visible during the boot procedure
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13:54<BarackO>jordanm: it appears that multiple boot scripts try to activate swap - at least and (and probably 1 more)
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13:56<jordanm>BarackO: I see, but it should fail in that way, and I am not sure the issue
13:57<BarackO>jordanm: well the swapon manpage says it is suppose to ignore already mounted swap partitions - so no errors should be generated
13:58<jordanm>BarackO: the errors come from the init script
13:58<jordanm>swapon -a -e 2>/dev/null || : # Stifle "Device or resource busy"
14:00<BarackO>jordanm: hmm ok - maybe I should submit a bug report as well because the boot failures are misleading as the swap is activated successfully
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14:03<jordanm>BarackO: it sounds cosmetic though. I would file minor against initscripts
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14:04<BarackO>jordanm: true
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14:07<cryzed>Hi, I am trying to install a sid package on lenny by downloading the source and patching it with the .debian.tar.gz and installing with with dpkg.
14:07<cryzed>But I don't know how to patch the .orig with the .debian
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14:11<jordanm>cryzed: dpkg-source -x <.dsc file>
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14:11<jordanm>this is done automatically for you when you do dget -u or apt-get source
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14:15<BarackO>I have a laptop-based server that I connect to my network (dynamic ip assigned by the router) - however I want the laptop to be addressed by a name - can I uses avahi to do this or do I need wins or dns? (or is there another solution)
14:15<cryzed>So I can get the sources from sid on my lenny system with apt-get source? jordanm?
14:15<jordanm>cryzed: yes, if you add ONLY the deb-src line in sources.list for sid
14:16<jordanm>BarackO: although I have never done it, you should be able to use avahi which uses mdns
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14:19<cahoot>add it to /etc/hosts?
14:19<BarackO>jordanm: how do I get the name resolution to work from a windows machine?
14:19<BarackO>cahoot: I can't because the ip addresses are dynamically assigned
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14:20<mAniAk->i just use hostnames at home
14:20<mAniAk->guessing its getting them from samba somehow, wins maybe?
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14:21<cryzed>Like this? deb-src sid main
14:21<dpkg>First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
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14:24<dpkg> (formerly is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read to enable and use. See also <bdo key> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo kernel> <bdo users>.
14:24<BarackO>mAniaAk: it sounds like wins - I guess then I need to add wins server addresses to all the machines because the dhcp server on the router cannot be set-up to send WINS server addresses
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14:25<mAniAk->BarackO: i havent installed anything like that tho
14:26<mAniAk->but it only works on the win pc
14:26<mAniAk->cant resolve hostnames on linux
14:26<cryzed>Why do I need to enable debian-backports if a backport is not available?
14:26<BarackO>mAniAk: do you have nmbd running on your debian box?
14:27<mAniAk->BarackO: i do, but then its on by default in debian
14:27<BarackO>mAniAk: are you running dhcpd or bind9 on your debian box too?
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14:29<BarackO>mAniAk: are you running avahi-daemon?
14:29<mAniAk->hmm, wins support = no in sambaconfig
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14:30<BarackO>mAniAk: hmm that is confusing
14:30<jordanm>BarackO: what are you using for a network gateway?
14:30<BarackO>is there another machine in your network acting as a dns server or wins server or AD?
14:31<BarackO>jordanm: netgear vision N1 ADSL router
14:31<jordanm>WINS has been deprecated for years, even in the windows world
14:31<mAniAk->shouldnt be
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14:33<matthiaskrgr>where can I find the control files for packages ?
14:33<leopex>Hi, all... I am trying to install E17 on my Debian Squeeze. Can anyone tell me how to do this? The only guide I have found is a svn guide that im not so sure with...
14:34<matthiaskrgr>can I download the manually? (using ubuntu currently, maybe the same place)
14:35<jordanm>!tell matthiaskrgr about ubuntu
14:35<jordanm>leopex: aptitude install e17?
14:35<matthiaskrgr>I also have a debian system ;)
14:36<matthiaskrgr>I assume the control files are transfered doing apt-get update can I get them manually and save them somewere?
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14:38<leopex>jordanm: E17 is no package... I have no idea how to install this.. How does svn work? It seams like it is installing like emerge.
14:39<jordanm>matthiaskrgr: the file you are thinking of is Packages.gz
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14:39<BarackO>do I need to activate UPnP SSDP on windows?
14:40<jordanm>,versions e17
14:40<judd>e17 -- sid: 0.16.999.49898-1
14:40<jordanm>leopex: only available in sid
14:40<jordanm>!tell leopex about ssb
14:40<jordanm>matthiaskrgr: a control file is specific to a package, not a repository
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14:41<jordanm>it would be located in debian/control of the unpacked source package or DEBIAN/control of an unpacked binary package
14:41<le0>jordanm: the radeon driver cannot works with rendering the glxinfo produces one segmentation fault
14:41<jordanm>le0: pastebin the command along with full output
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15:11<jordanm>le0: you should highlight me when you reply
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15:31<wippun>Where are you all?
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15:32<jordanm>wippun: thats a really vague question to ask 400 nicks
15:32<cahoot>the generica answer is 'here'
15:33<sulumar>can anyone help me with cron please
15:33<wippun>Sorry I was expecting more activity!
15:35<weasel>usually if people aren't asking (real) questions then there isn't all that much traffic
15:35<jordanm>sulumar: can you be more specific with the question? are you having a problem with something?
15:35<retrospectacus>sulumar: probably! Ask your question, don't spare the details and pastebins!
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15:37<sulumar>I want to automatise some commands on my debian lenny. so i created a crontab as root and configured it, but none of the commands allready executes
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15:38<mAniAk->what did you put in crontab
15:38<wippun>Is there a way to reset USB without reboot? After a few weeks up-time, I find that scanimage gets very slow and USB sticks will not mount.
15:39<sulumar>ill pastebin
15:40<weasel>and where is that crontab?
15:40<jordanm>sulumar: first crontab includes the word "Fri" and runs two statements.. that is incorrect. 3rd line can be replaced by apticron
15:40<weasel>jordanm: wrong.
15:40<weasel>jordanm: why would it be incorrect?
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15:41<sulumar>the first one has to be done once a week, planned for friday only
15:42<weasel>Wed 21:40:34 <weasel> and where is that crontab?
15:42<sulumar>weasel, here
15:42<weasel>sulumar: that shows me its contents
15:42<weasel>not where you put it
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15:43<jordanm>weasel: I see that I was mistaken. the manpage does say that names are ok
15:43<jordanm>I was not aware, had never seen it before and it was the first unusual thing to catch my eye
15:44<sulumar>ok guess i found it
15:44<weasel>sulumar: if you can't be bothered to answer questions, why are you here?
15:45<sulumar>it is in /temp/crontab.fder43/crontab
15:45<weasel>unlikely cron would pick it up there...
15:45<wippun>USB anyone?
15:45<jordanm>weasel: thanks for pointing that out
15:45<sulumar>but guess placing it in roots home directory would be better
15:45<weasel>let's do this differently. what did you do to display or edit that crontab
15:45<retrospectacus>he just did crontab -e as root.
15:45<jordanm>sulumar: you should use crontab -e when editing
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15:46<weasel>retrospectacus: did he say so anywhere?
15:46<weasel>retrospectacus: are we sure he isn't using /etc/cron.d?
15:46<retrospectacus>I can tell, when you save it it goes to a place like that, then crontab processes it for verification and installs it
15:46<jordanm>crontab -e creates a file in /tmp then moves it to /var/spool/cron/crontabs/
15:46<sulumar>the gnome gui tool
15:46<weasel>wippun: try to unload the modules?
15:46<jordanm>gnome has a cron gui tool?
15:47<weasel>and whose crontab is he editing anyway
15:48<jordanm>weasel: he said root's...
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15:49<wippun>Which modules? Can you expand?
15:49<weasel>lsmod | grep hci; lsmod | grep usb
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15:51<sulumar>where should i put that crontab for cron to find it ?
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15:52<retrospectacus>sulumar: best bet is to forget about gnome-schedule, get a root terminal, crontab -e, put your paste content there
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15:53<jordanm>sulumar: also, that rkhunter should be default when you install it, in /etc/cron.daily/
15:53<sulumar>crontab -e opens /tmp/crontab.Ib2eyb/crontab witch is exactly the file needed
15:54<sulumar>well the one that doesent work
15:54<jordanm>but it moves that file when you save it and close you editor
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15:55<sulumar>wants to save it in the exact same directory
15:55<sulumar>well thats what the editor puts out
15:56<jordanm>right, it gets moved *after* you save and close the editor
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15:56<retrospectacus>sulumar: don't worry about that... if it says "crontab: installing new crontab" after you save and quit, you should be good
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15:57<sulumar>well he said he installed it
15:58<retrospectacus>should fire at the specified time... make sure crond is running, check root's mail for the commands' output later
15:58<sulumar>ok ill try
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16:07<sulumar>well the shutdown worked
16:07<vook>about 60% of the time when I boot, CPU1 (2nd core on a dual core intel) doesn't respond and the kernel proceeds to boot with only one CPU active. A few reboots usually will get both working. Any ideas what the problem may be? Booting into Mac OSX, both always work.
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16:10<sulumar>the shutdown worked
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16:11<sulumar>how can i check roots mail ??
16:12<jordanm>sulumar: using a MUA
16:12<jordanm>simplest way is using the "mail" or "mutt" command as root
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16:13<sulumar>no mail
16:14<sulumar>but the pc went down
16:14<sulumar>saw it
16:14<jordanm>you won't get mail unless the command generates output
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16:14<jordanm>also, you need a proper MTA. the default exim4 will do
16:15<daenney>anyone know if aptitude on upgrade will also remove packages it considers obsolete because they are no longer in the repositories?
16:16<blarson>daenney: only if they conflict with something being installed.
16:16<daenney>check :)
16:17<daenney>hmm, py3.1 got pulled?
16:17<daenney>aptitude telling me it's going ot remove it
16:17<jordanm>,versions python3.1
16:17<judd>python3.1 -- squeeze: 3.1.2+20100707-1; sid: 3.1.2+20100829-1; experimental: 3.1.2+20100909-1
16:17<sulumar>an apt-get updat is supposed to generate output and so i am supposed to get mailed right jordanm
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16:18<jordanm>sulumar: yes, but you should be using apticron instead
16:18<daenney>apticron is awesome for that indeed
16:18<jordanm>daenney: is it marked as automatically installed?
16:18<daenney>jordanm: it should afaik, I never told it I needed py31 for anything
16:19<jordanm>daenney: then that is probably why it is being removed. it was installed as a depends, which it is no longer needed to satisfy that depends
16:19<daenney>jordanm: fair enough :)
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16:22<dserban>I'm running lenny, I installed sun-java6-plugin, ... When I go to use any applet online, I get an error (basically a 404), I've read that it may be an ipv6 issue, but everything I've checked points to "it's not ipv6". Can anyone recommend what I look into next? java is very much a black box for me, it's not C .. or perl :P
16:23<sulumar>apticron installed
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16:24<kyentei>Got a little question. I'm trying to change the default keyboard layout in Debian SID to USA International (ALT GR dead keys).. and I can easily do this in gnome... but I'd like to set this system-wide..
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16:24<sulumar>if the cron works i am supposed to get dc in 5 minutes
16:25<f8l>kyentei: I set my Colemak keyboard layout system-wide via editing xorg.conf.
16:25<vook>dserban: you can check /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/ and make sure you have '' in there - should be a symlink to /etc/alternatives (or 'about:plugins') in mozilla will show if it is loading
16:26<kyentei>f8l: I don't see how that applies to everything. In Ubuntu, you could use dpkg-reconfigure console-setup
16:26<dserban>vook: it is, but I get an exception error in the java console. Saying basically (and of course I'm paraphrasing) that it can't download the applet
16:26<kyentei>But that doesn't quite work. There's no ALT GR dead keys in the list at all
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16:26<vook>dserban: is it only on one site? I usually test java on
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16:27<Deepy>I can't verify my account at alioth, who do I turn to?
16:27<dserban>vook: no, but I'll go try that one.
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16:27<f8l>kyentei: As the name implies it works for console.
16:27<vook>dserban: click on a timezone and an applet should load
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16:28<kyentei>f8l: Okay.. Is there any other way apart from setting it in xorg.conf?
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16:28<f8l>kyentei: Maybe now it's possible by `dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration`...
16:29<dserban>vook: no, it errored out again, again, paraphrasing the java event console, "could not load applet, your network is borked"... at this point, I'm confused.
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16:29<dserban>I got it to work a while back, but now ... I just don't get it
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16:29<f8l>kyentei: I think it works like your method though.
16:29<kyentei>f8l: I love you.
16:29<kyentei>f8l: It works.
16:30<f8l>kyentei: Good to know. It doesn't work for me. :(
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16:30<kyentei>f8l: I'm testing it right now. It did apply and save I believe
16:30<kyentei>f8l: just making sure now..
16:30<f8l>kyentei: I mean... It works, but only partially.
16:31<vook>dserban: eh, not the debian way, but you can always try downloading it from
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16:31<kyentei>f8l: How so?
16:31<kyentei>It works here
16:32<kyentei>It doesn't apply right away. But I did not feel like searching for things that needed to be restarted so I restarted my laptop and it worked.
16:32<kyentei>I'm not so sure about my netbook though. At least it's not fixed in this SSH session yet. But I didn't reboot.. so
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16:41<kyentei>Another question: Under what user runs the GDM login? I can't seem to change the wallpaper anymore (sudo -u gdm gnome... or sudo -u gdm3 gnome... both do not work)
16:41<kyentei>and gnome.... would be gnome-control-center
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16:53<f8l>kyentei: It applies the layout correctly, but lots of key combinations (like [AltGr+g][a]: should give 'ą', gives ',a') don't work on console.
16:53<kyentei>Hmm, these are combinations I don't use in the first place
16:54<kyentei>So I guess this suits my needs :)
16:54<f8l>kyentei: Because of this I cannot type in my native language.
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16:54<kyentei>f8l: Ah, that does quite...suck
16:54<kyentei>f8l: Does the problem also occur in Ubuntu?
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16:55<diego>hi there, I'm trying to do a script to detect if the computer is about to hang up ... having information from the computer load / vmstat / etc ... what would you suggest
16:55<f8l>kyentei: I never had Ubuntu, and I am not going to.
16:55<kyentei>f8l: Okay. It could be you have tried.
16:55<daenney>diego: hang up like close the telephone link or hang like crash?
16:55<diego>about to freeze (crash)
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16:56<diego>we have several dedicated servers , if they hang up its a mess cause they need to be restarted by our admins
16:56<diego>then a programmer has to access and start things up
16:56<daenney>usually people use stuff like nagios or monit to do such things
16:56<diego>it would be nice to avoid the hanging up part at least and just leave it all to the programmers
16:57<diego>yeah, we have nagios, but we want to prevent the hanging up
16:57<daenney>the problem is there's not a reliable way to detect it
16:57<diego>if its about to crash ... then killall someprocess
16:57<diego>well, it does not have to be 100% effective
16:57<daenney>you can run some baselines, capture the output from vmstat and the load and according to that set up a script that kills processes
16:57<diego>we still have nagios if it does crash anyway
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16:58<diego>the problem is that if nagios sends a SMS , the admin takes about 20 min, then the programmer (thats me) another 15
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16:58<diego>and we have 35 minutes of server downtime
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16:58<daenney>the first thing you need to do is calculate the baselines, what values in load, vmstat etc are likely to indicate is hang is imminent
16:59<daenney>and according to those baselines create a script that checks for those specific values and if they reach the threshold kill stuff
16:59<diego>yeah, that would depend on the server, we have different servers (some of them have more ram / more cores / etc)
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16:59<diego>I was wondering if someone already did some calculations about that :)
16:59<daenney>then you'll need to adapt it for every server I'm afraid
16:59<daenney>but tbh, this really doesn't sound like somthing you should be doing to begin with
17:00<daenney>not on dedicated server boxes at least
17:00<daenney>and just killing some random stuff is in general a bad idea too
17:00<diego>well, its not a random kill
17:00<diego>I know which process hang the computer
17:00<diego>its a lot of legacy code
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17:00<diego>we need to have it running while rewriting
17:01<diego>I will not kill something at random
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17:01<daenney>then get your baseline, if/else a lot in bash and give it to cron every minute or so
17:02<diego>so, nobody has a baseline program (aptitude install like hehe) :( I guess I will use vmstat / load and swap %
17:02<diego>and try to guess something with that
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17:02<daenney>you might have some luck parsing top
17:02<daenney>that should give the most relevant information
17:02<daenney>seeing as it has load, mem etc
17:03<diego>:) thx , I will try to do something with that, at least to avoid 90% of crashes would be nice ... kill legacy process and rerun when about to crash :D
17:04<daenney>wth does that legacy code have, an infinite loop and a memory leak the size of china?
17:04<diego>kind of lol
17:05<diego>and its a big mess too, not easy to understand what it wants to do :(
17:05<diego>but it keeps things running (and salaries being paid)
17:05<daenney>especially that second part :P
17:05<diego>yeah :)
17:06<daenney>my best bet would be using top, piping the first 5 lines through awk and use that
17:06<diego>well, thanks for the help :) will try to make that bash script with top / vmstat info
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17:49<ComradeHaz`>Eveing all. Whenever I run an upgrade etc keeper throws some git errors about my username and email address not being configured and saying it's done it automatically.
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17:50<ComradeHaz`>It kind of says I can fix this by setting them explicitly and even tells me how, but it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me what it's doing, so I'm dubuious to just do it blindly. Does anyone know what this is about?
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17:59<jordanm>ComradeHaz`: basic git configuration requires your name and email, this is normal
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17:59<jordanm>its added to things such as commit messages
17:59<ComradeHaz`>Yeah, but I am under the impression it is set
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18:00<jordanm>ComradeHaz`: why are you under that impression? does it appear set in ~/.gitconfig?
18:00<ComradeHaz`>I use sudo to do 'root things' - could this throw it off?
18:00<ComradeHaz`>jordanm, yes.
18:00<jordanm>I only use sudo for builder, and I know it reads the proper ~/.pbuilderrc
18:00<jordanm>err pbuilder
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18:01<jordanm>ComradeHaz`: so ~/.gitconfig is in /home/user/foo, not /root?
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18:02<jordanm>ComradeHaz`: try using root's ~/.gitconfig
18:02<ComradeHaz`>Well, there is one set for me. Where would roots be?
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18:02<jordanm>ComradeHaz`: in root's home directory
18:02<babilen>ComradeHaz`: (i.e. /root/)
18:03<ComradeHaz`>there is no /root/.gitconfig
18:03<f8l>ComradeHaz`: Why do you run git with sudo?
18:03<babilen>f8l: etckeeper
18:03<ComradeHaz`>etckeeper uses it as I understand it.
18:03<jordanm>ComradeHaz`: make one
18:03<ComradeHaz`>What username / mail addy should I set?
18:04<jordanm>your real name and your real email address
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18:04<ComradeHaz`>OK. Seems reasonable.
18:04<ComradeHaz`>Just copy mine?
18:04<jordanm>ComradeHaz`: see: man git-tutorial, which covers that in the first paragraph
18:05<jordanm>hmm, first section I should say
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18:06<f8l>babilen: Looks like it's good thing to have.
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18:08<ComradeHaz`>Excellent, that seems to have done the trick.
18:08<ComradeHaz`>Cheers chaps.
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19:14<reklipz>I'm trying to cross compile some software I'm writing from Debian to Win32. Say I depend on a library, libsdl, and I need the development files (library headers). Can I just install the package libsdl1.2-dev, and use the cross compiler like normal? (./configure --host=i586-mingw32msvc)
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19:19<bahamat>hey guys, I'm looking for a tool where I can craft a packet and send it to an arbitrary route, that is independent of the routing table on the host
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19:19<bahamat>does anybody know of such a thing?
19:20<Sebastian>Can I freely add scripts to /etc/cron.daily/ or should I be concerned that some update might remove them?
19:20<bahamat>Sebastian: you can freely add them. to ensure they can't be overwritten, name it something like 'local-seb-foo'
19:20<Sebastian>awesome, thanks
19:21<dondelelcaro>Sebastian: you can add them, and they won't ever be overwritten without asking you first. [If they are, that's a bug.]
19:22<Sebastian>even better :)
19:22<Sebastian>thank you all for your kind help
19:22<dondelelcaro>np; good luck
19:22<dondelelcaro>bahamat: well, you can't send it on an arbitrary route, but you can certainly craft arbitrary packets and send them out of arbitrary interfaces
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19:24<bahamat>dondelelcaro: there isn't anything that will just send a raw packet to a specific mac address without having to arp for the target IP first?
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19:25<dondelelcaro>bahamat: sure, you can do that
19:25<dondelelcaro>bahamat: you just craft the IP packet, and send it
19:25<bahamat>dondelelcaro: what tool could I use?
19:26<bahamat>dondelelcaro: I tried hping, but it arps for the address first, as does arping (even in IP mode)
19:26<dondelelcaro>bahamat: sendip would be one method
19:26<dondelelcaro>bahamat: otherwise, you can always write the code yourself to send a raw packet.
19:27<bahamat>dondelelcaro: sendip! I think that's what I'm looking for.
19:27<bahamat>dondelelcaro: thanks, let me try that
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19:27<dondelelcaro>bahamat: I personally haven't used it myself, but it sounds about right
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19:40<bahamat>dondelelcaro: it looks like it doesn't do that :-(
19:42<dondelelcaro>bahamat: hrm; it should be able to
19:43<bahamat>I don't see an option to specify the MAC in the help...still looking though
19:44<dondelelcaro>hrm; looks like it doesn't have a raw ethernet packet function. Anyway, what are you actually trying to do?
19:50<bahamat>dondelelcaro: exactly what it sounds like...default gateway is .1, but I want to send a packet through gateway .2. Need to do this without modifying the routing table or adding iptables rules
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19:56<bahamat>dondelelcaro: I have two gateways in a VRRP cluster and I want to be able to monitor each of them independently from the same monitoring point, but changing the routing will affect other monitor probes
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19:59<c28>hey yall whazzap!
19:59<edbian>Is it possible to execute python (or other code) using gedit? Similar to emacs execute buffer.
19:59<edbian>c28, You're here. this channel is slower
19:59<c28>ah hello there!
19:59<blowback>edbian: you can get plugins for gedit.. including a terminal plugin I think.
20:00<edbian>blowback, Yeah I have some "execute external command" plugin but it doesn't seem to be working?
20:00<c28>talk to me!
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20:03<blowback>c28: /join debian-offtopic or perhaps #moocows
20:03<themill>c28: this isn't a channel for social chatter, it's a channel for Debian support.
20:03<blowback>(this is not a chat channel)
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20:04<c28>ummm ok im new here...
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20:05<MrFrood>anyone remember my ksh problem from last night?
20:06<bahamat>dondelelcaro: Got it. arping -T ma:ca:dd:rr:es:s0
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20:09<MrFrood>guess not which is a pity because it's got a lot weirder since yesterday
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20:11<edbian>How can I write a script that opens a new terminal window and then executes python in that window??
20:11<edbian>gnome-terminal python ??
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20:12<dondelelcaro>bahamat: cool
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20:13<MrFrood>use x-terminal-emulator
20:13<weasel>edbian: have you read the manpage of gnome-terminal?
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20:13<edbian>weasel, I just did. -e is working.
20:13<edbian>weasel, Thanks. Sorry to ask before reading
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20:15<edbian>weasel, I'm trying to get gedit to run my python code (without a silly plugin). I can use the external Tools manager to run a script when I press F5. From there I can make the script #!/bin/sh; python. And if there is python code in the current window it will run that code. However if I make the script gnome-terminal -e python the input from the window is lost. I just get a terminal with a blank python console in it. Any suggestions? I need to like pi
20:15<edbian>pe the input through again or something.
20:15<MrFrood>edbian: weasel: x-terminal-emulator should be used, its a link to the default terminal emulater
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20:16<MrFrood>that way say if you swuitch from gnome-terminal to urxvt the script keeps working
20:16<weasel>edbian: I'd be very surprised if your gnome terminal relayed its stdin to your script
20:16<edbian>MrFrood, k. x-terminal-emulator will run my default term?
20:16<weasel>edbian: use a temporary file?
20:17<edbian>weasel, Please elaborate?
20:20<weasel>call a script. have that eat stdin into a tmpfile. have it run terminal -e 'foo bla' or something like that
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20:22<edbian>weasel, I'm confused about how gedit gives the input to the script.
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20:22<edbian>if I put python as the only line in the script it works.
20:23<edbian>Is this equivalent to "some text" | python. Or python "some text" None of those work at gnome-terminal. I can't figure it out.
20:23<abrotman>doesn't something like anjuta already have this all in there?
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20:23<edbian>abrotman, This is purely academic at this point.
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20:24<edbian>abrotman, But yeah. A million IDE's have a run code button.
20:24<abrotman>does gedit even have code highlighting ?
20:25<edbian>Usually when you run a program with arguments you use the argument array in the code to access them. How do you do this in a shell script?
20:25<edbian>abrotman, Yeah!
20:25<edbian>abrotman, Of pretty much every language.
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20:26<edbian>Now where can I learn about passing arguments to a shell script?
20:27<abrotman>a shell script or a python script ?
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20:29<edbian>abrotman, shell
20:29<edbian>abrotman, python I know
20:29<abrotman>huh ?
20:29<abrotman>okay .. anyways . .there are a few bash programming howtos that i'm sure cover this
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20:30<edbian>abrotman, yeah where?
20:30<abrotman>!bash howto
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20:32<brider25>Can someone give some pointers on a "nfs over tcp not available from ..." I'm trying to pxe book a live system using nfs. I'm using debian squeeze
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20:34<brider25>I can mount the share manually but i doesn't seem to work using pxe
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21:21<RadYogh>Hello. Does any one know is there any way to make all created files/dirs in some dir to automatically have the same group(user and group will also fit) and permissions as the parent dir?
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21:22<weasel>RadYogh: set the dir g+s
21:22<abrotman>sticky bits
21:22<RadYogh>hm, thank you, do you know where i can read more about that?
21:22<weasel>abrotman: but .. sticky is +t
21:22<RadYogh>I tryed +t, it didn't worked
21:22<abrotman>erm .. yes ..
21:22<dpkg>For more information on permissions, read info coreutils 'File Permissions' and or - for even further info see these and, or follow the setuid and setgid links found in the wikipedia pages, or, or <qotd232>
21:23<blowback>man chmod
21:23<weasel>RadYogh: +t is not what you want
21:23<blowback>it's in there.
21:23<RadYogh>Thank you, i'll try reading that
21:23<abrotman>weasel: yes .. i'm sorry
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21:24<RadYogh>btw, what is +t then? ^_^
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21:24<weasel>RadYogh: it's a mode that was specifically design so you'd have to read the fine manual
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21:28<User_with_name>how do I find out, if my debian server was portscanned?
21:28<User_with_name>Are there log files or is "intrusion detection" the key word?
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21:32<babilen>,info portsentry
21:32<judd>portsentry (net, optional): Portscan detection daemon. Version: 1.2-11.2; Size: 70.2k; Installed: 204k
21:33<babilen>User_with_name: There are probably others and various ways to deal with this. (SNORT and iptables come to mind as well) -- Do you worry about portscans?
21:34<User_with_name>no, not really, but since its a server running 24/7 in a university network, I would like to know how often such things happen
21:35<User_with_name>because i want to add some other services to this server, which means possibly more security risks
21:35<babilen>Often :) Along with a plethora of (failed) SSH logins ... I would recommend snort. Take a look at the "Securing Debian Manual" to learn about this
21:35<blowback>User_with_name: Run Snort, you'll have fun. And perhaps use ACID as the front-end.
21:35<RadYogh>Ok, i've figured out about group, but not about permissions...
21:35<lethias>If you needed to run applications that are only availble for 32bit, would a 32bit chroot be recommended in being able to use and run the apps?
21:35<babilen>lethias: sure
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21:38<User_with_name>babilen, thx, I'll have a look
21:39<lethias>babilen, kk, just wondered, cause the amd64 how to said that it was recommended for servers only and not recommended for workstations.
21:40<lethias>babilen, but also noticed that the howto is a bit dated, saying etch is testing and sarge is stable. :)
21:41<babilen>lethias: What are you trying to do? A 32bit chroot makes sense for a bunch of things
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21:43<lethias>Was planning on installing adobe air 32bit version for one, cause seems as though I'm really not happy with twitux at all, I like tweetdeck entirely to much haha.
21:44<lethias>plus for other apps I run upon.
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21:47<User_with_name>blowback, babilen, I'm not sure if snort is the right solution: I only have one pc to check, so not "network ids" but a "host ids" is needed... but maybe i'll type localhost at the question which computers should be checked...
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21:49<babilen>User_with_name: There are books on Snort, as it is quite a powerful software. If you just want to secure a single box, I would start with the suggestions in the securing debian manual, fail2ban, (maybe) iptables and securing the services you are running (like restricting SSH to key-based logins, etc)
21:50<babilen>But Snort *is* a good IDS even for a single box ...
21:51<babilen>lethias: Sorry - I have no idea about Adobe Air. If it is only available as a 32bit binary, a chroot seems to be a good idea
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21:52<babilen>lethias: twitux is available for amd64 (and a bunch of other architectures)
21:52<lethias>I know it is, I just don't like twitux :( its doesn't have certain things I really want in my twitter client.
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21:56<babilen>there are *a lot* of twitter clients apart from twitux
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21:59<brider25>Can someone give some pointers on a "nfs over tcp not available from ..."  error? I'm trying to pxe book a live system using nfs. I'm using debian squeeze
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22:21<RadYogh>Sorry for bothering again, but I want to ask one more question. Quckly looking at the links above I haven't found anything about automatically changing file/dir permissions on creation. (I may be blind, so if i missed that info, let me know. :)) But I've googled some info about 'acl'(utilities 'getfacl' and 'setfacl' from 'acl' package), which maybe can help me... (I want to make all newly created files/dirs in some directory to have the same permissions as
22:21<RadYogh> the dir(it's 664 with a+X)...) Are the acl is the only way to get what I want or it can be done with chmod or some similar way?
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22:43<kop>RadYogh: You set the umask. (man bash) Usually this is done with pam but /etc/login.defs could be used as well (IIRC).
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22:57<RadYogh>kop, but wouldn't umask work globally for a user?
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22:58<RadYogh>I need to do that just for one dir, but for all users...
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23:00<kop>RadYogh: Google for "user private groups" and man chmod on g+s for directories. That's usually what you want. (IIRC had a good article.)
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23:01<RadYogh>well, I'm already have set g+s to that dir, but it doesn't help with permissions...
23:02<RadYogh>basically i have one dir, which are being accessed by multiple users vis smb/ssh/etc.
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23:03<RadYogh>some of that users also work with other stuff, and I don't want to change anything which will affect users globally
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23:04<le0>my sound card cannot play anything and speakers produces tops,tops repeats somebody can tell why this ocur i have reinstaled all under dpkg recomendation
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23:05<BiancaSP---> /server
23:05<abrotman>tops ?
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23:06<le0>tics tops repeats
23:06<abrotman>i don't even know what that means
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23:07<le0>i have put this some rules in iptables but i suspect off a try off connect under other OSI layer
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23:24<kop>RadYogh: So, you chmod g+s that dir, and all sub-dirs, and chown -R the dir with a new group and put all the users in that group.
23:25<RadYogh>already did, but new files/dirs have permissions 755
23:26<RadYogh>i need to change that, so all newly created (by all users) files have 664 permissions and dirs have 775...
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23:34<le0>in the #64 under freenode i maybe capture and redirect my keyboard
23:34<le0>i don know why how or because
23:35<le0>i already install debian again lenny at the moment
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23:41<kop>RadYogh: And you don't want to change the default umask to 002? (It should be safe, if everybody has their own group as is the default.) Otherwise, you've got to use acls.
23:44<RadYogh>wait, umask can be set for a group?
23:46<kop>RadYogh: No. You set it system wide. And thereby give access by default to group members. But because each user has his own group, and that is his primary group, all the users' private files have private groups and so are protected.
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23:47<RadYogh>ah... hm.. it's not the best solution. But thank you anyway. I think, I'll try acl... Thanks a lot.
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23:59<user01>the flash in iceweasel has stuttering audio after a bit after leaving my ibm t43 thinkpad on for a while . . . fix ideas for this?
23:59<user01>running stable
23:59<blowback>user01: More than likely that's an issue with Flash.
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