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---Logopened Sun Sep 19 00:00:59 2010
00:02<user01>hi ssh question: on my server i did: ssh-keygen -t rsa --> copied to ~/.ssh on my laptop, did cat >> authorized_keys . . . it still requests my password when i ssh in
00:03<user01>how can i get it to not request a password?
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00:04<kurtis>Hey guys. I just updated to squeeze and installed the non-free Nvidia drivers using apt-get. For some reason, when I attempt to start X (using 'startx') I get the error /usr/bin/X does not exist.
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00:06<ikey>kurtis: did you look in /usr/bin/startx ?
00:06<qq-> what says , ls /usr/bin/X
00:06<ikey>the line should read defaultserver=/usr/bin/X
00:06*ikey thinks maybe it got altered somehow
00:06<ikey>..misread. nvm.
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00:07<qq->kurtis, install xorg
00:07<kurtis>Yeah, /usr/bin/X doesn't exist :)
00:07<user01>X11 i thought it was
00:08<kurtis>qq-: Do I just install xserver-xorg package if I want to use the Nvidia driver?
00:08<qq->kurtis, install xorg , sure
00:09<kurtis>qq-: Thanks. I only ask because there are quite a few choices.
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00:09<ikey>Now would be the time to turn off automatic "recommends" installs heh
00:10<kurtis>ikey: It's possible to do that? That would be awesome! how do you do it?
00:10<jpinx>man aptitude - there's a --without-recommends option
00:10<qq->kurtis, Nvidia driver is just A driver inside xorg aka X
00:10<ikey>put this in /etc/apt/apt.conf: APT::Install-Recommends "false";
00:11<smv>3 things done wrong!
00:11<jpinx>ikey: not a good idea
00:11<ikey>Depends on the degree of control you like jpinx
00:11<kurtis>qq-: Yeah I know. I was just confused because it was installed. Then I upgraded and installed the driver. All of the sudden X was missing. I didn't think it was actually removed though :P
00:11<ikey>I use it all the time in debootstraps
00:11<jpinx>ikey: you lose functionality with some packages if the recommends are not in there
00:12<ikey>True enough, but I'd assume everyone did an apt-cache show before installing something along those lines.
00:12<jpinx>kurtis: if you are watching what aptitude tells you while it is installing you will see the removes/recommends/etc
00:12<jpinx>ikey: heh - hell no :)
00:12*ikey does..
00:13*ikey is a bit of a weirdo though
00:13<smv>kurtis, 1st, see !lenny->squeeze, 2nd, x missing has nothing to do with nvidia driver, but with the upgrade done wrong, and 3rd, not installing recommends in some situations is quite wrong, unless you really know what you do, which seems to not be the case.
00:13<kurtis>jpinx: Yeah, it upgraded several hundred files, removed several hundred files, and installed some :) I wasn't sure if it was just upgrading by removing and installing new versions or what. I don't ever do upgrades like this
00:13<qq->kurtis, btw, your udev from squeeze was installed properly ?
00:13<kurtis>qq-: Nope, but then I used that 'aptitude -f install; aptitude safe-upgrade' thing after a restart
00:13<jpinx>kurtis: check your kernel version against the udev issue
00:14<kurtis>jpinx: I know my kernel version, but how can i check the current udev version?
00:15<jpinx>dpkg: lenny->squeeze
00:15<dpkg>WARNING: you must upgrade the kernel and reboot prior to the dist-upgrade. Remove any APT source specific to stable (such as volatile or backports), then s/lenny/squeeze/ on your sources.list. aptitude update && aptitude install aptitude linux-image-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,'` ; reboot; aptitude safe-upgrade && aptitude full-upgrade. Ask me about <d-d-a>, <apt-listchanges>, <testing>, <squeeze release notes>, <squeeze udev>.
00:15<qq->kurtis, uname -r ?
00:15<jpinx>kurtis: ^^
00:15<ikey>kurtis: uname -r && aptitude show udev | grep Version
00:16<kurtis>Yep. Looks to be the same as my kernel version. 2.6.32-5
00:16<kurtis>btw, I installed xorg again and it's working perfectly. Thanks for the help guys.
00:17<qq->kurtis, cool
00:17<ikey>Slightly odd question.. any mobile broadband users here?
00:17<qq->jpinx, ?
00:18<jpinx>qq-: ?
00:19<qq->jpinx, not a 'nobile broadband user' ?
00:19<ikey>plastic broadband.
00:19<jpinx>qq-: sorry dude - you've lost me :)
00:20<ikey>network-manager-gnome (nm-applet) can show my reception percentage.. anyone know where that info could be fetched from? i.e. to show in conky
00:20<jpinx>or are yu referring to my previous nick?
00:20<ikey>Then I could just give nm-applet the slap, use wvdial and stick info on a conky
00:20<qq->jpinx, sure
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00:21<jpinx>ikey: I use wicd
00:21<ikey>For mobile broadband?
00:21<kurtis>Is the only way to setup multiple monitors by manually modifying the xorg.conf file?
00:21<ikey>I coulda sworn the developer expressed a passionate disinterest in anything PPP
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00:21<jpinx>qq-: that was while I was dicking about between the eeepc and the n900 and I had 2 irssi's running over ssh
00:21<qq->jpinx, cool
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00:22<jpinx>qq-: i frequently forgot who I was
00:22<jpinx>but now I know who I am (I think)
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00:22<qq->kurtis, install grandr
00:22<ikey>online identity crisis ftw
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00:23<ikey>Anyone know anything about the fail that is exaile on debian?
00:24<ikey>Segfaults running the version from testing repos.. Building it fails.. doesnt pass its own unit tests
00:24<kurtis>qq-: That seems like a great little app for switching resolutions, but my second monitor isn't being used at all. I've seen a few different methods of getting it to work but I'm not sure which one to use
00:25<qq->kurtis, try it first ..
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00:26<kurtis>For future info or anyone interested, I used 'nvidia-xconfig --twinview
00:26<kurtis>It worked perfectly
00:27<ikey>tbh there's probably 40 PyGTK frontends for that..
00:31<kurtis>better yet, there was 'nvidia-settings' :)
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00:38*qq- just installed exaile
00:39<kurtis>I know this is a small, simple app, but does this number sound right? Running glxgears I am hitting 13,500 FPS
00:39<ikey>I had gstreamer issues
00:39<ikey>Not sure if it relates to using debian-multimedia repos
00:40<qq->ikey, moment it load his 'colection' now at 6500
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00:40<ikey>kurtis: I run a Trident Microsystems CyberBlade/i1. Haven't a clue mate. lol
00:40<kurtis>ikey: haha no problem
00:40<ikey>From glxgears: Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual
00:42<kurtis>You probably need Mesa to run it
00:42<ikey>I have mesa.
00:42<kurtis>oh, weird
00:42<ikey>The card is a port from an ISA board.
00:42<ikey>Its ancient.
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00:43<qq->ikey, squeeze exaile worksTM here
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00:43<ikey>qq-: Are you using debian-multimedia + non-free stuffs?
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00:43<qq->ikey, no
00:43<ikey>ok thanks, its a debian-multimedia issue with gstreamer then. thx
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00:44*ikey will send the email in the morning..
00:44<morpheus>you will never hack me
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00:44<ikey>Think he took more than the blue pill..
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00:45<qq->ikey, i forget i have more then 10.000 cool sounds ;)
00:46<ikey>I haven't anything on here.. dual-booting on a 20GB HDD keeps you on your toes
00:47<ikey>And 240MB ram.. sigh..
00:49<kurtis>ughh, I go to install Scorched3d and it wants to remove gnome, epiphany, evolution, etc... Why??
00:50<kurtis>It even wants to install Apache!
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00:51<ikey>kurtis: not here.
00:52<ikey>It only wants libalut0 libsdl-net1.2 libwxbase2.8-0 libwxgtk2.8-0 scorched3d scorched3d-data
00:52<ikey>(for me)
00:52<dpkg>Is apt trying to remove packages that it thinks were automatically installed? This happens when you "aptitude install gnome" and then later remove bits of it causing the gnome meta-package to be uninstalled and then all its dependencies. Fix this by running "aptitude unmarkauto packagename" on strategically chosen packages, or reinstall the <metapackage> (apt-get also has unmarkauto from squeeze onwards).
00:52<qq->kurtis, ^^
00:53<kurtis>ikey: Yeah that's what it says for me. But when I go to actually do it, it wants: 109 upgraded, 234 newly installed, 72 removed, 150 not upgraded
00:53<kurtis>qq-: Yeah I was thinking about doing that. But I feel like I have a deeper problem here
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00:53<ikey>Try unmarking them first as qq- suggested
00:54<qq->dpkg> KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface.
00:54<dpkg>qq-: I don't know, could you explain it?
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00:54<kurtis>well I tried aptitude unmarkauto, it did some processing. But then when I try to install the game, it still has the same problem
00:54<Griob>Why doesnt my irc work (on my debian install) unless i run it as root? ive tried BitchX and xchat and niether work on any server unless i run it as root. otherwise i just get "you look like a bot" etc error message
00:55<qq->kurtis, seems you don't finished to upgrade
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00:55<kurtis>qq-: :( Before I go playing with apt-get upgrades again, do you think it oculd be my sources.list?
00:56<qq->kurtis, but kate a look at
00:56<jpinx>qq-: try pinging the mirrors you have listed
00:56<qq->s/ kate/ take
00:56<jpinx>they do go down sometimes
00:57<kurtis>When I simply do 'apt-get upgrade', there is a large block of applications that "have been kept back". How do I make it finish upgrading?
00:58<dpkg>i heard hold is a status flag that tells the package manager not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package: 'echo <package> hold|dpkg --set-selections'. It is also possible to use aptitude: 'aptitude hold <package>'. Note that the hold flag set using aptitude might be ignored by other package managers (i.e. Update Manager and Synaptic), but aptitude will respect the hold set in the dpkg database.
00:59<qq->kurtis, /msg dpkg why aptitude
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00:59*qq- out
00:59<jpinx>!wb dpkg
00:59<dpkg>O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! dpkg has returned!
01:00<kurtis>umm, that just tells me what aptitude is
01:00<jpinx>kurtis: use aptitude ;)
01:00<qq->kurtis, /msg dpkg why not aptitude
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01:00<kurtis>jpinx: oh :)
01:01<kurtis>qq-: Thanks for sharing that info by the way. I did wonder what the difference was
01:01<jpinx>kurtis: unless you have pressing needs not to - aptitude solves more issues for you, and tells you more :)
01:01<kurtis>Unfortunately apt-get and aptitude both did, and told me the same thing :(
01:02<kurtis>I can force the upgrade by using apt-get on something, but I'm afraid it's going to break some stuff
01:03*jpinx has forgotten what's being upgraded here
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01:04<kurtis>Well, if I try to install a simple file, such as scorched3d, it wants to do ~thousand operations. I upgraded earliar from lenny to squeeze. As qq mentioned, I don't think my upgrade is finished. Should I simply use 'aptitude dist-upgrade' and hope for the best?
01:04<jpinx>hell no
01:04<kurtis>haha I didn't think so
01:04<jpinx>you really need to rtfm !
01:05<jpinx>dpkg lenny->squeeze
01:05<dpkg>WARNING: you must upgrade the kernel and reboot prior to the dist-upgrade. Remove any APT source specific to stable (such as volatile or backports), then s/lenny/squeeze/ on your sources.list. aptitude update && aptitude install aptitude linux-image-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,'` ; reboot; aptitude safe-upgrade && aptitude full-upgrade. Ask me about <d-d-a>, <apt-listchanges>, <testing>, <squeeze release notes>, <squeeze udev>.
01:05<kurtis>I was just about to ask, there's a manual on upgrading? :)
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01:06<jpinx>kurtis: follow those instructions carefully
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01:08<kurtis>I believe I did everything there except 'full-upgrade'. Which is the part I was just talking about
01:09<kurtis>actually I take taht back, I didn't do the whole line with linux-image-'uname -r | sed ... Is that stuff pretty important? I'm not sure what that step does
01:09<ikey>Well yeah. You need to upgrade the kernel first..
01:09<ikey>But didnt you say you were using 2.6.32-5-686?
01:09<bahamat>kurtis: yeah, it's pretty important
01:10<kurtis>oh, I manually installed the kernel using apt and selected the version by hand
01:10<jpinx>kurtis: it is *all* important ;)
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01:10<jpinx>failing to follow the guide is the biggest single reason for breakages ;)
01:11<kurtis>jpinx: In my defense, I was given a completely different guide when I asked earliar :)
01:11<jpinx>kurtis: fairysnuff ;)
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01:12<Griob>Why doesnt my irc work (on my debian install) unless i run it as root? ive tried BitchX and xchat and niether work on any server unless i run it as root. otherwise i just get "you look like a bot" etc error message
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01:13<kurtis>Griob: Maybe it's your username, or IRC nick, or you're masking your ip through a proxy?
01:14<Griob>im not intentionally masking anything, and the username/irc nick shouldnt change if i sudo BitchX Griob should it
01:14<jpinx>Griob: you have netwroking issues?
01:14<kurtis>Griob: For example, if your logged in as root, sometimes it will show your name as
01:15<Griob>jpinx not as far as i know. everything else works fine.
01:15<jpinx>some irc servers reject root as a username
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01:15<ikey>A lot do, qline'd on a few I know
01:15<ikey>change the ident in irssi config
01:15<kurtis>but he said "unless i run it as root"
01:15<Griob>jpinx its the exact oppisite, i get removed from ALL servers if im NOT root
01:15<ikey>Or use oidentd and spoof it
01:16<ikey>its an ident daemon
01:16<jpinx>Griob: odd... definitely something wierd happening
01:16<ikey>Also, a lot of servers run proxy scanners
01:16<kurtis>How are you on here right now?
01:16<ikey>If they find a funky port they'll kick you off
01:16<ikey>(i.e. gline/kline)
01:17<ikey>Funky idents get you kicked off too
01:17<dpkg>BitchX is an old and unmaintained <IRC> client built on epic and ircII. It was abandoned by its upstream, has known security issues and was removed from Debian post-Etch to resolve bug #451373. Ask me instead about <irssi>, <xchat>, <konversation>, <weechat>. To ignore BitchX quit messages in irssi, ask me about <literal bitchxignore>.
01:17<jpinx>Griob: try irssi
01:17<Griob>kurtis im on windows
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01:17<kurtis>Griob: I use xchat on windows (the free one, not the 30-day trial crap)
01:17<Griob>in my original question i also said that the same thing happens if i use xchat
01:17<kurtis>and i use it on Linux as well
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01:18*jpinx can do nothing for some windows wierdness
01:18<kurtis>jpinx: He's saying it's working in Windows, but not Linux
01:18<qq->>> #windows
01:18<dpkg>Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane.
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01:19<jpinx> <-- only half-paying attention ;)
01:19<kurtis>When did 'dash' replace 'bash'???
01:19<ikey>qq-: you're lucky.. we get them everyday..
01:19<ikey>kurtis: it didnt
01:19<ikey>It provides /bin/sh
01:19<ikey>You can still haz bash.
01:19<ikey>And that was ages ago..
01:20<jpinx>kurtis: I think dash is in squeeze defult now
01:20<ikey>oh. sorry -_-
01:20<ikey>z + s so close together..
01:20<kurtis>interesting. I'm not complaining. Just curious. Thx jpinx
01:21<kurtis>I'm glad I picked the latest debian freeze as my main squeeze
01:21*jpinx will not go to squeeze till it is released
01:22<dpkg>dash (formerly Debian Almquist shell) is a <POSIX> compliant shell, smaller than <bash> and offers faster script execution (decreasing boot time). For new installations of squeeze and later, dash will be the default /bin/sh. To switch old installations, "dpkg-reconfigure dash". To check if your existing scripts will work OK with dash, use checkbashisms from <devscripts> and see
01:22<kurtis>jpinx: I wanted the latest drivers support. I'm sure I'll reinstall cleanly when they release it
01:22*ikey is doing pretty fine with testing :)
01:22*qq- too
01:23*jpinx has it is a chroot ;)
01:23<ikey>I got a ~/testing from yesterday.. got fiddling with debootstrap again..
01:23<kurtis>It would take me weeks to figure out how to setup a chroot!
01:23<ikey>Takes seconds.
01:23<qq->ikey, i removed exaile , y'was right it's a mess
01:24<ikey>qq-: darn :(
01:24<ikey>qq-: I might torment the developer
01:24<jpinx>kurtis: it is trivial
01:24<ikey>It needs a load of random python modules from PyPI to even build
01:24<ikey>And then still fails to build as it fails its own unit tests (ironic)
01:25<ikey>The only thing I've succeeded at so far is packaging Emerald
01:25*jpinx is currently copying the squeeze image so that he can break it ;)
01:26<kurtis>Well my system booted up jsut fine. Unfortunately, I got a lot of warning and maybe error messages as it loaded up. If I posted my log on pastebin, would someone be willing to take a look and tell me how badly off I may be?
01:26<ikey>"maybe error messages" ??
01:26<ikey>pastebin your dmesg maybe..
01:26<kurtis>ikey: it went too fast for me to see
01:27<qq->ikey, gui interface say was 'correct'. but keep stoped 'singing' random 1-2 times on each song ..
01:27<ikey>qq-: borked?
01:27<ikey>thought as much
01:28<kurtis>ikey: dmesg looks pretty clean. It was more along the lines of config files and something about udev which I couldn't read fast enough
01:28<ikey>It annoys me that projects like exaile only provide ppa's..
01:28<jpinx>kurtis: logs?
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01:29<kurtis>hmm, syslog looks good too. could it be possible that it didn't log those messages?
01:30<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, bootlogd is disabled by default. Change /etc/default/bootlogd to "Yes" to populate /var/log/boot . For the reason behind the default, see (fixed since sysvinit 2.86.ds1-11). Not a command (as opposed to dmesg).
01:30<kurtis>qq-: Thanks.
01:30<qq->kurtis, but try reinstall udev first
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01:32<kurtis>ahh so many "unmet dependencies" problems when I use apt. I feel like I'm trenching through package hell at the moment
01:32<qq->use aptitude , as saud
01:32<ikey>pfft. say that when you try building firestarter on slackware..
01:32<jpinx>kurtis: back up your data and allow aptitude to resolve the mess
01:33*jpinx has a lot of faith in aptitude :)
01:33*ikey has very little - but that's ubuntu's fault
01:34<kurtis>Could the problem be that I stil have my previous kernel installed?
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01:34<jpinx>kurtis: didd you reboot into the newer kernel'
01:35<kurtis>jpinx: Yeah
01:35<ikey>Your only choice here really is what everyone said. Trust thine aptitude. rsync your data somewhere safe.
01:36<kurtis>hmm. Okay. I'll trust aptitude. I'm using it through its' ncurses interface at the moment, trying to find something to magically sort everything out as mentioned. I don't really see any good options. Should I read the manual?
01:37<ikey>You're on Linux. You should always read the manual :))
01:37<jpinx>kurtis: I'd recommend that you get to the command line
01:37<qq->!dists war
01:37<dpkg>somebody said dists war was ubuntu is entry OS
01:37<jpinx>dpkg: bullshit
01:37*ikey blinks
01:38<jpinx>kurtis: get to a command line interface, and then do the entire lenny to squeeze routine again ;)
01:38*jpinx has no faith in ncurses/synaptic/whatever
01:44<kurtis>well ... I think I just lost quite a few packages :) The good news is, tuxracer loads now and is spread across two monitors at full speed!
01:44<jpinx>what did you do?
01:46<kurtis>a combination of autoclean, unmarkauto, and clean
01:47<kurtis>While it was chugging away deleting files, I realized that the apps were all versioned 'lenny'. So for some reason when I upgraded, it didn't remove those
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01:52<jpinx>kurtis: double chre your sources.list and do an update and full-upgrade
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01:55<kurtis>jpinx: Doing the full-upgrade now. I swear though it has installed/upgraded these files over and over. For example, I've seen open office being installed/updated at least 3 times now
01:55<jpinx>kurtis: trust aptitude ;)
01:56<kurtis>jpinx: heh okay :) And thank you for your help. I'm thinking this last try will be the charm
01:57<jpinx>kurtis: when I went from etch to lenny it took half-a-dozen runs of aptitude to clear up all the depends etc
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02:00<kurtis>jpinx: haha, after seeing this I can definitely beleive it. I'm glad I'm not the only one who has had so much difficulty. The sad thing is I just installed debian right before I upgraded. Luckily I don't have to worry about lost data (yet)
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02:06<kurtis>ahh how I missed my command line. Now I can dedicate this 19" flatscreen to a big terminal (or multiple terminals when needed). This beats having tons of Putty instances opened on a Windows box
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02:07*jpinx introduces kurtis to screen and splitting
02:07*ikey introduces vga=792
02:08<jpinx>19" flatscreen -- 18" font :D
02:08<jpinx>read it from the next town :D
02:08<ikey>btw, mplayer on the framebuffer.. pure awesome.
02:08<kurtis>On my 23" flatscreen I only got like 18 rows of text during installation
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02:09*ikey used to watch DVD's on tty1 :P
02:09<jpinx>kurtis: you will never need to do another install :)
02:09<kurtis>ikey: through ascii?
02:09<ikey>mplayer -ao alsa -vo fbdev dvd://
02:09<kurtis>jpinx: oh man that will be so nice!
02:11<kurtis>When using that GUI crap to mount my NTFS drives, it says it cannot identify the type or what-not. Would this package be recommended to fix that? ntfs-3g
02:11<jpinx>kurtis: I only do installs for fun on things like usb sticks, my main system has been here since sarge
02:11<jpinx>kurtis: yes - ntfs-3g generally resolves that
02:12<kurtis>jpinx: Very nice! I usually format once or twice a year. But that's on Windows. Sometimes its nice to have that 'new car' feeling. Hopefully this system will just keep chugging for years like yours. It will be a great change of pace
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02:13<qq->kurtis, has separate home/ ?
02:13<Eryothec>hi everybody
02:13<kurtis>qq-: Nope :( I did the automagic partitioning
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02:14<kurtis>qq-: I didn't want to back myself into a corner disk-space-wise
02:14<qq->kurtis, quick reinstall with separate home/
02:14<kurtis>I could always just buy another hard drive for /home
02:15<kurtis>I did leave 50gb for HaikuOS. I figured I'd give them a hand in development since they lack people
02:15*jpinx does not see the point of having /home on a separate partition
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02:17<jpinx>qq-: there's apps like bitlbee that have a users config in /usr
02:17<second>Это русский канал? Меня видно\слышно?
02:17<kurtis>Ahh Unicode. It makes me feel American!
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02:17<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ or use English here.
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02:18<kurtis>second, do you speak english?
02:18<kurtis>If not, how did you know to name yourself second?
02:18*smv lol
02:19<jpinx>kurtis: - the sleuth :)
02:19<dpkg>somebody said weekend was the time you can actually code without feeling remorses :)
02:19<second>=_= I inerstand, but not speak
02:20<jpinx>looks more chinese than russin :)
02:21<qq->second, tiho , pogalujsta
02:21<qq->jpinx, siberian ru
02:22<kurtis>They have internet access in siberia?
02:22<jpinx>kurtis: of course - that's where a lot of the "russian brides" come from ;)
02:22<qq->no, only pipes , petrol
02:23<jpinx>siberia might be cold, but it's not so backwrad
02:24<kurtis>haha. I was just thinking it has one of the biggest "natural" areas in the world (according to the Discovery Channel). Even going to Kentucky it's hard to come across reliable internet service and that's nothing in comparison to Siberia
02:25<jpinx>if there's a mobile service - there's internet ;)
02:26<kurtis>Very True. Hey guys, since I've had all of these issues with wierd packages coming and going ... should I not use the Synaptics Package Manager? Aptitude seemed to fix the problem but I'm afraid it will creep back again
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02:27<qq->kurtis, forget for ever synaptics
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02:28<kurtis>qq-: Awesome I will. Is there a good site online for searching/browsing through packages? Not just simply a list but maybe one that is pleasant to use?
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02:29<dpkg> - here you can search for Debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or in some contexts. Maybe even
02:29<jpinx>kurtis: synaptic is just a front end for aptitude
02:29*jpinx introduces kurtis to aptitude search and aptitude show
02:30<dpkg>[as] autosearch: install apt-file and use apt-cache search <packagename> and/or apt-file search <name> , do it yourself. Don't forget to run apt-file update ;)
02:30<qq->kurtis, ^^
02:30<kurtis>Yeah, I use apt-cache search a lot
02:30<qq-> ntroduces kurtis to ... apt-file search
02:30<jpinx>kurtis: also - learn how to use judd in here
02:30<kurtis>what is judd?
02:31<jpinx>judd: versions iceweasel
02:31<judd>iceweasel -- etch:; etch-security:; lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; lenny-backports: 3.5.11-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 3.5.12-2; sid: 3.5.13-1; experimental: 3.6.10-1
02:31<qq->a bot
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02:31<kurtis>judd: what do you do?
02:31<kurtis>:( Not a very smart bot
02:32<jpinx>that's why I said you have to learn how to use it ;)
02:32<kurtis>jpinx: oh yeah, whoops :)
02:32<qq->kurtis, it's academic one
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02:55<kurtis>Hey guys, what's the name of the encoder/decoder packs for playing xvid, divx, etc...?
02:56<fireman112>u can try to install package:win32codec or win 64codec
02:57<jpinx>kurtis: also look at mmd
02:58<dpkg>[dmm] Debian Multimedia is a repository of unofficial packages maintained by Christian Marillat, not in Debian for patent-related reasons. For information on how to access, see or ask me about <dmm lenny> <dmm squeeze>. During 2010, this repository grew a non-free part, with all binary-only packages moved there; you may need to add " non-free" to your sources lines. See also <dmm mirrors>, <dmm list>.
02:58<jpinx>doh :(
02:58<ikey>debian-multimedia is hawt
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03:00<kurtis>cool, thanks
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03:01<qq->kurtis, just ask dpkg about xvid, divx, etc... !?
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03:03<kurtis>Has anyone here installed fuppes before?
03:04<kurtis>I'm trying to get the ./configure file to recognize codecs (specifically ffmpeg at the moment) and I'm not having any luck. But I won't bother you guys with it if you've never used it
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03:05<mom>hey sooo . . . i was running debian testing, my nvidia driver was only in unstable so . . . i added the unstable repo, aptitude installed it, used module-assistant to build and install it . . . is it safe for me to remove the debian unstable repo now?
03:06<kurtis>mom: I just upgraded to squeeze myself. I don't know if that was the recommended route but it is working for me.
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03:07<kurtis>mom: I can't answer your question though. I imagine you could just comment it out and if you have problems, uncomment it in the future
03:08<mom>kurtis: yes thats what i just did, and if i need anything else like a new kernel module etc do that
03:08<ikey>mom: I answered you on the other server..
03:08<kurtis>ikey: You're chatting on two servers? nice
03:09<ikey>Should be on 4
03:09<kurtis>mom: Definitely listen to these guys. They are wayyy more experience with this stuff than I
03:09<ikey>And ~38 channels..
03:09<kurtis>ikey: Wow. Are you just helping people out?
03:09<ikey>dev/op/tester/moderator/maintainer/you-name-it-i-do-it/ ..
03:10<qq->kurtis> ffmpeg is multimedia player, server and encoder not codecs
03:10<mom>ikey: ok thanks
03:10<jpinx>kurtis: lots of the helpers here are just normal users too :)
03:10<mom>i cant believe i figured it out by myself :)
03:11<mom>...with lots of debian documentation . . .
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03:14<mom>i think im getting everything setup perfectly now
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03:20<mom>wow this is blazing fast
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03:25<mom>wow . . . getting a lot of errors on these testing packages . .. missing maintainter / description
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03:27<smv>mom, don't worry about those. i think...
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04:38<jpinx>I am ssh -X'd into a remote box, chrooted into an image of squeeze and I aptitude installed links2 there, but it doesn't appear to run over the ssh connection. What am I missing?
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04:58<chk>эауоау ?
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05:13<felixs>jpinx: just start an sshd after chroot (on a different port)
05:14<felixs>i just switched to dependency based boot. now bind doesnt run after boot. whats wrong? (and how is this supposed to work?)
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05:32<oliver__>good morning
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05:41<EmleyMoor>How does gdm know what keyboard layout to use? I have two lenny systems and each does it differently
05:42<EmleyMoor>(mind you, they were built opposite sides of a change of layout)
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05:44<Ouro>perhaps based on keyboard model? not certain
05:44<EmleyMoor>Certainly not that
05:45<Myon>first bet would be the layout configured in xorg.conf
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05:45<EmleyMoor>It's got something to do with the default layout chosen at install time but if that is changed it does not follow
05:46<EmleyMoor>Myon: I will have a look
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05:47*EmleyMoor hopes a "choosable" version follows soon - it would make things easier as we use different layouts
05:48<EmleyMoor>Of course, if a "choosable" alternative exists, please point me to it
05:48<Ouro>you mean you want to change it periodically?
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05:49<EmleyMoor>Ouro: It would be helpful if it could be switched between two layouts pre-login, depending on who is logging in
05:49<Ouro>i have not heard of such a thing, but perhaps you can script modifying xorg.conf
05:50<EmleyMoor>On the home box, all gdm logins have to be done in QWERTY, on the laptop they have to be done in Dvorak
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05:54<Myon>EmleyMoor: does it switch if you change the language/locale?
05:54<felixs>EmleyMoor: an alternative would be xdm. it doesnt mess with keyboard settings
05:54<Myon>uh, Dvorak is evil
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05:59<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... the xorg.conf on the desktop machine is extremely different - due to the nvidia stuff I think
05:59<smv>EmleyMoor, see /etc/default/keyboard
06:00<EmleyMoor>smv: No such thing on mine
06:01<EmleyMoor>Myon: Not sure how that would be changed...
06:02<Myon>there should be a keyboard section
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06:02<Ouro>isnt xorg.conf just a stub in lenny? if there is different stuff in there, then someone has modified it
06:03<EmleyMoor>Myon: It's just effectively Keyboard0 with driver kbd on the desktop machine - nothing else
06:04<EmleyMoor>Yuk, US!
06:04<EmleyMoor>It's using US QWERTY
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06:10<smv>EmleyMoor, see add that file and see if anything changes. though, am not sure this is the proper way to do this.
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06:13<EmleyMoor>If I could find a way to toggle between the two that would be "best of both"
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06:18<EmleyMoor>Got my desktop to use GB Dvorak now...
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06:19<smoothie>Dvorak is slower
06:19<EmleyMoor>What I'm used to and it's usually me that'- logging in
06:19<smoothie>qwerty has been designed to be the fastest to not allow typewriter keys to stick
06:19<smoothie>really the fastest is abcd keyboard
06:19<EmleyMoor>This is not a typewriter
06:19<smoothie>but they had to slow it down with qwerty
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06:20<smoothie>a glorified typewriter
06:20<smoothie>the ram bits will screw up if you type too fast
06:20<nem0>Hi all, can anyone tell me why there is no flashplugin-nonfree in the squeeze repo at the moment?
06:20<rpetre>i just upgraded it 2 minutes ago
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06:20<smoothie>how can you be used to dvorak
06:20<smoothie>ive never even seen a dvorak keyboard
06:21<smoothie>take a screen shot , the top letters better read DVORAK
06:21<rpetre>nem0: it's in unstable
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06:21*EmleyMoor has a dual-layout keyboard and has been using Dvorak almost constantly for two years, and no, they don't
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06:22<EmleyMoor>',.pyf are the equivalent of QWERTY
06:22<nem0>rpetre: oh, oops :) Cheers!
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06:24<smoothie>EmleyMoor, i wonder if you are fast on it though, typerace me?
06:24*EmleyMoor types for comfort, not speed
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06:26<rpetre>i bet dvorak on gentoo is at least 20% faster ;)
06:27<smoothie>put your money where your mouth is
06:27<smoothie>i got 10$ says u lose
06:27*EmleyMoor now has switchable layouts at login, with a default of QWERTY
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06:28<EmleyMoor>Wasn't actually that hard to do, in the end
06:29<smoothie>Stroking should generally move from the edges of the board to the middle. An observation of this principle is that, for many people, when tapping fingers on a table, it is easier going from little finger to index than vice versa. This motion on a keyboard is called inboard stroke flow
06:29<smoothie>i duno, qwerty and zxcv are pretty useless letters to me
06:30<smoothie>asdf is the basis of all words ever
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06:30<rpetre>... said he, barely touching said keys
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06:33<smoothie>Your speed:
06:33<smoothie>68 wpm
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06:33<EmleyMoor>If it weren't for David I would have fixed them to GB Dvorak - but now they default to GB QWERTY and can be switched with Alt-Shift
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07:34<niktaris>hello, anyone running smart-notify on kde ?
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07:34<niktaris>hello, anyone running smart-notifier on kde ?
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07:40<NullProphecy>Hi all - I'm trying to get debian to install from a USB device onto a slate pc (one of these: I've tried a number of things, and can get into the debian installer, however it fails to find a CD-ROM drive.
07:40<NullProphecy>Looking at the kernel messages as it boots up, it failes to enumerate the USB device - any ideas?
07:42<jpinx>NullProphecy: wrong instaaller
07:42<NullProphecy>which do I need?
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07:42<jpinx>NullProphecy: try the one for the eeepc from their debian wiki
07:42<jpinx>it doesn't ask for a cdrom iirc
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07:48<NullProphecy>jpinx: thanks - now for the moment of truth...
07:49<NullProphecy>nice - I just get 'Boot Error'. Think I'll try that again from scratch.
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07:50<jpinx>NullProphecy: dd the imae of the installer onto the whole of the usb stick - not a partition
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07:51<NullProphecy>jpinx: I'll give it a go
07:52<jpinx>NullProphecy: follow the guide in the wiki
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07:55<foxe>ok... so XV output is not working in mplayer. I gave up on it a while back. yesterday I decided to try it and it actually worked! after a reboot I can play avi files using it, but mkv files just dont work. gl gl2 and x11 are to slow and copy to use... so whats next? how do I get it working?
07:55<foxe>before the reboot btw, mkv files were even playing great
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08:15<NullProphecy>jpinx: hmm. Boots into the installer fine, but complains about kernel modules (so can't detect network hardware etc). The ISO is definatly the correct one. Any thoughts?
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08:20<nijan>Hello all, I have mounted a vfat partition, ownership root, permission 755. I would like to have +w on that partition for a user, still I can't either change permission or ownership of any of the directory in that partition. Any idea?
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08:22<jpinx>nijan: vfat doesn't accept permissions iirc
08:22<nijan>also, chown -v prints as if it was successfull: mode of `xa' changed to 0777 (rwxrwxrwx)
08:22<nijan>jpinx, how can I write to that partition? Is that possible?
08:23<jpinx>nijan: I think you need something like mount -t vfat -o uid=1000 (or whatever your uid is)
08:23<nijan>i mount it as default, users
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08:23<nijan>ah, ok
08:23<nijan>defaults, user, indeed.
08:25<nijan>editing fstab and put the username there should work in principle.
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08:37<ComradeHaz`>Hi guys, I'd like to know the most aggressive way of scanning a disk for errors and if possible fixing them
08:38<NullProphecy>Not strictly debian based, but I've had lots of luck in the past with Spinrite
08:38<ComradeHaz`>I'm guesing destructive badblocks is the way to go. Please could someone confirm (or otherwise) and let me know the appropriate badblocks options
08:39<NullProphecy>yeah - it takes forever, but I've managed to fix unbootable and unreadable drives enough to get (most of) the data off
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08:39<ComradeHaz`>well, not worried about the data
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08:45<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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09:04<luser>fuzzy question - are there any alternatives to 'fail2ban'?
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09:20<NullProphecy>the Leny hd-media boot.img I'm using the prep my USB installer results in only ~300mb of usable space on my 1gb stick. Is there any way I can increase this so I can fit the full CD1 on there?
09:23<dvs>NullProphecy: the flexible way
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09:29<NullProphecy>nvm - managed to get UNetBootIn to work finally!
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10:29<jody>Was the "Apply settings on KDE startup" option in the page to configure KDE's resolution removed for the latest versions? My Squeeze (testing) frozen kde resets resolution to 1024x768 on restart, and that option is not htere in the "System Settings" menus for display resolution.
10:30<jody>Am I being heard? Or am I silenced?
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10:30<jody>Long time since I've used IRC.
10:31<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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10:32<erez>Hi, I'm trying to install solr-tomcat on Squeeze, but the installation fails when aptitude tries to run tomcat (Starting Tomcat servlet engine: tomcat6)
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10:38<jody>pretty quiet. I'm trying to get kde 4.4 on squeeze frozen to remember my resolution settings. I can apply them after startup (KDE System Settings/Display/Size&Orientation), but kde defaults to 1024x768. KDE 3 had "Apply settings on kde startup" check box available, but I can't find anything like that in my squeeze box.
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10:51<Advisor># backtrack
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11:14<bahamat>how do I tell apt to skip the suggested packages and only install what I asked for?
11:15<dpkg>hmm... hold is a status flag that tells the package manager not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package: 'echo <package> hold|dpkg --set-selections'. It is also possible to use aptitude: 'aptitude hold <package>'. Note that the hold flag set using aptitude might be ignored by other package managers (i.e. Update Manager and Synaptic), but aptitude will respect the hold set in the dpkg database.
11:15<jpinx>bahamat: ^^
11:15<bahamat>jpinx: that's not exactly what I'm looking for
11:15<themill>bahamat: suggested packages aren't installed by default anyway
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11:16<bahamat>then how do I tell apt that it should install suggests?
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11:17<bahamat>ok, here's the deal. I want to install java, and it's installing a bunch of X crap. But they aren't depends, they are suggested. So how do I make it stop doing that?
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11:18<rpetre>bahamat: you somehow force apt to consider suggests, stop doing that (by default it includes recommends and excludes suggests)
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11:21<themill>bahamat: can you please pastebin the full output of your apt run as well as "aptitude why package1 package2" where package1 is the package you are trying to install and package2 is something you didn't want.
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11:24<bahamat>ok, "aptitude why" was something I didn't know about, and is *very* useful
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12:01<radarman>i a have a thinkpad t42 (lenny) and tried to install fglrx (radeon 9600), but when i try to insert the module it spits back: cannot allocate memory
12:01<Jarlaxe>hi everyone ! i'd like to have some hint about xkb. i try to fidure out some way to modify layout and switching keys. but whatever i do it fails. (i follow almost this - i run a squeeze/lxde on a eeepc
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12:04<cahoot>Jarlaxe: this is also old news?
12:05<Jarlaxe> cahoot: i never saw this one. I'm reading it. thx
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12:07<radarman>my card (radeon 9600) should be supported by fglrx but now I can't get either fglrx or radeon to work. anybody have this issue?
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12:09<pipe>Good evening/morning! For a while now I've wondered why dpkg doesn't offer a three-way-merge when updating packages and finding that you have modified a config file. I didn't find any discussion about this when doing a quick google check.
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12:09<pipe>It seems more or less trivial to me, and something that would simplify the upgrading, but maybe there's something I've overlooked.
12:10<gsimmons>radarman: Lenny's fglrx version does not support R300-based devices (the R500 series is the earliest supported). What specifically is not working with the radeon driver?
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12:14<themill>pipe: packages that use UCF for config files do offer a 3 way merge and there are plans to improve dpkg's config file handling (possibly merging in ucf into dpkg) in the next development cycle.
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12:14<radarman>the wiki page on the T42 says that fglrx should work
12:14<pipe>themill: Ah, great, thanks!
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12:15<radarman>but anyway i reinsert radeon and drm as modules and try to startx and it refuses to budge
12:17<radarman>at this point, i'd just like to get X back
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12:17<themill>pipe: I'm sure the dpkg developers would be happy to have someone working with them on that though, so if you're interested in helping, contact them about this to see what progress has been made already (if any) and how they want to go about this.
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12:30<krizhbersky>Привет, русскоязычные есть?
12:30<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ or use English here.
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12:31<amakusa>hello, if I run amd64, what is the command used to build a 32 bit application from source?
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12:32<krizhbersky>если можно повторите, а то вкладку закрыл случайно.
12:32<krizhbersky>Снова реквизиты на РУССКИЙ irc
12:33<pipe>krizhbersky: Wrong language
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12:33<pipe>amakusa: Are you trying to exploit? :)
12:33<krizhbersky>russian IRC server ??? And chat
12:34<pipe>krizhbersky: Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ or use English here.
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12:34<krizhbersky>pipe: Senk you!
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12:34<mjt>um. unfortunately debian-russian is almost unusable for russian language because they're using wrong charset.
12:34<pipe>mjt: So who are there and why does it exist?
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12:35<mjt>debian switched to utf8 for almost everything. debian-russian uses koi8-r
12:35<ceipha>Hi! I have not seen the item "Evolution" for a couple or more months in the nautilus-sendto dialogue, neither on my home machine, nor at work. Anyone knows what it can be?
12:36<mjt>so before one can get help from there he has to switch to koi8-r from utf, which is not trivial, esp. for a beginner :)
12:36<pipe>mjt: I suppose "wrong charset" is somewhat patchable with a clever IRC client though. But I don't know anything about the specific needs for russian language.
12:37<pipe>ceipha: Debian got a large amount of money from the intelligent design people to remove "evolution".
12:38<ceipha>pipe: What do you mean? And do you seriously mean it?
12:39<pipe>No, I don't.
12:39<amakusa>pipe: I'm trying to build the latest version of wine
12:39<pipe>ceipha: I just couldn't help making that joke, sorry.
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12:39<pipe>amakusa: Sounds painful, but good luck. :) Don'
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12:39<pipe>amakusa: Don't they have a debian "makefile" already?
12:40<ceipha>pipe: Oh, you mean those guys who are denying the evolution? I
12:40<amakusa>not for amd64
12:40<ceipha>pipe: Is this only my problem, or more people experience this?
12:44<pipe>ceipha: Actually I don't know anything about this.
12:44<ceipha>Do you personally have this?
12:45<pipe>I don't use nautilus on any of my debian systems.
12:45<ceipha>pipe: Thank you then.
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12:46<ceipha>Does anyone experience the same problem as me? When choosing "Send to..." from the Nautilus context menu on a file, there is no "Evolution" item available for select.
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13:05<Griob>hey, is the guy who was here yesterday helping me here? SMV or something.
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13:09<Griob>can anyone help me
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13:11<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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13:22<Incognito>anyone alive?
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13:24<florian>Hi. I've got a little problem. I'm using Jack with alsa as backend. asoundrc: jack params: OPTIONS="-R -d alsa -d hw:1,7 -r 44100"
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13:24<florian>the music client applications hangs up while playing to alsa after a time
13:24<florian>have you got an idea what's wrong?
13:24<florian>using mplayer -ao jack works. mplayer -ao alsa .. hang up.
13:25<florian>jackd tells me something of xrun errors.
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13:26<Mithos^>hi there. I'm trying to make a customised livecd based on squeeze amd64. I have read several guides online (though often they point to automated tools like remastersys) and I have made several attemts. The most success I have had boots - but then nautilus reports that it cannot create directory /home/debian/Desktop or /home/desktop/.nautilus . The panel does not start, and other programs (e.g. xchat) give similar errors to nauti
13:26<Mithos^>lus. also - sudo always returns a wrong password - even though I (supposedly) set the password as blank. any ideas?
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13:29<Mithos^>also - the packages I am using are live-initramfs, squashfs, aufs-tools and mkisofs if that helps
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13:38<valdyn>amakusa: wine builds fine and easy on debian/amd64, at least squeeze and later
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13:40<amakusa>valdyn: the latest version on the wineHQ website does not want to, but I got it to build from source with the "linux32" command
13:40<valdyn>amakusa: im building the latest
13:40<valdyn>amakusa: without linux32, but if that works, fine
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13:41<amakusa>valdyn: you're running amd64 also?
13:41<valdyn>amakusa: sid
13:41<valdyn>amakusa: and wine from their git repo, thats the "latest" release right now also
13:42<amakusa>and you just did ./configure and it built?
13:42<valdyn>amakusa: well, i added support for pulseaudio, otherwise just that yes
13:43<amakusa>valdyn: that's strange, it told me that it could not build a 32 bit version when I tried to
13:43<valdyn>amakusa: aptitude install build-dep wine
13:43<valdyn>amakusa: that should cover everything
13:43<valdyn>amakusa: i didnt do more to prepare the build
13:44<amakusa>that's version 1.3.3 right?
13:44<valdyn>amakusa: im on the git repo
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13:45<amakusa>valdyn: ok
13:45<valdyn>amakusa: thats 1.3.3 for a few hours
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13:46<valdyn>amakusa: i was a patch before 1.3.3, but the diff is like only the version
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13:49<amakusa>valdyn: I see what you mean now, I'm looking a the wine git page, I'll give this a shot, thanks
13:50<Nemoder>are there any unofficial 1.3 binaries for debian yet?
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14:10<luser>Mithos^ - get /home mounted as a tmpfs, so that it's writeable
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14:35<ComradeHaz`>i all, is there a way to see what specific sudo commands I have been allowed to execute?
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14:37<sney>so what's the word on those 6 apt-related packages that won't come down with a safe-upgrade on squeeze? safe to install? or should I just wait for them to get moved over
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14:41<locklace>what's the first resolution aptitude full-upgrade gives you
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14:44<sney>locklace: remove libept0
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14:44<locklace>right. which is fine, since it's installing libept1
14:44<sney>ahh so it is
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14:56<Flyte>wow, that's a lot of idlers ;)
14:56<MichealH>Im not idel
14:56<Flyte>oh, hi :)
14:57<Flyte>but I'm sure not all 439 of you are talking!
14:57<MichealH>Flyte: Do you have a support question?
14:57<Flyte>well, I guess I have some things I'm struggling with but I'm really just hanging around
14:57<Flyte>which linux user doesn't have a support question? ;)
14:58<Flyte>have you fiddled with udev much?
14:59<MichealH>Flyte: udev is a key component in ubuntu so yes I have
14:59<Flyte>well, I do have a support question you may be able to help with then!
14:59<MichealH>Okay :D
14:59<Flyte>it's on Ubuntu, which I'm using on my HTPC with XBMC
15:00<Flyte>so should I join that channel or can I ask here?
15:00<MichealH>Flyte: Its best to ask in #ubuntu on Freenode
15:00<MichealH>Theyre more knowledgeable ;)
15:00<Flyte>ok, well could I give it a spin here?
15:00<MichealH>And there is 1000* people there
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15:01<MichealH>Flyte: Go ahead :)
15:01<Flyte>well, I'm attempting to use the IR input of a Hauppauge TV card which I have pretty much installed successfully (other than some strange warm restart issues)
15:02<Flyte>I get the IR receiver set up as an input fine
15:02<Flyte>and when I use the remote control's buttons, some of them work
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15:02<Flyte>but the device gets an awfully long name in the /devices list
15:03<Flyte>so I'm using a udev rule to turn it into /dev/ir
15:03<Flyte>so I've got the rule to match properly, and it'll RUN a command if I ask it to
15:04<Flyte>but as soon as I add SYMLINK+="ir" it completely ignores the rule
15:04<MichealH>You symlinked it?
15:04<Flyte>even the RUN command doesn't show up in udevadm test when the SYMLINK rule is added
15:04<mjs>hello all -- i have an ipw2200 wireless card that my lenny system can see as eth1, but I can
15:05<mjs>*can't connect to a WPA access point using WICD
15:05<Mithos^>luser: how would I do that? can it be done in the isolinux.cfg? (mount /home as tmpfs)
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15:08<Flyte>I'm sure there are no syntax errors in the rule
15:08<amakusa>valdyn: I'm a little confused, I cloned the wine git repository, but I really don't understand what i have to do to install the latest version of wine
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15:13<r0ger>amakusa: probably compile it if you cloned a repo.. check for README or INSTALL files in the root of the wine dir
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15:17<amakusa>r0ger: ok
15:18<Flyte>MichealH, any ideas?
15:19<MichealH>Flyte: Nope
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15:21<Flyte>ok no worries, I'll get back on :)
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15:24<stephane>voila je debute sous linux debian
15:25<stephane>et je veu install flash player et ma carte graphique et rien a fair
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15:26<Flyte>au revoir
15:26*mAniAk- strangles his cat in lack of french people close enough
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15:26<Flyte>ha :D
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15:46<luser>Mithos^: sorry, I don't know about how you'd do it. It's not uncommon in related environments to just have a customised init script that creates a tmpfs and adds some bindmounts pointing to that. MAybe it can just be done in the fstab?
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16:47<ComradeHaz`>Eveing all, what do I need to do to sort this error out? Trash directory /srv/share/.Trash-1000 exists, but didn't pass the security checks, can't use it
16:47<ComradeHaz`>Guessing permissions issue, but not sure what it should be
16:48<ComradeHaz`>╰─[:)] % ls -al /srv/share | grep Trash
16:48<ComradeHaz`>drwxrwx--- 4 tom hayden 4096 Aug 15 2009 .Trash-1000
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16:51<Newbumz>Hi all
16:52<Newbumz>So tried google and wiki and figured I would just ask, lets pretend I'm dumb ;). I have a 64bit intel laptop do I want the ia64 or the amd64 distro?
16:52<Newbumz>Thanks muchly
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16:54<jhutchins_lt>Newbumz: You're not the first to be confused.
16:54<jhutchins_lt>Newbumz: ia64 was for the itanium or whatever that didn't have 32b compatibility, they eventually adopted amd's command set.
16:56<bzed>Newbumz: ia64 is indeed for itanium and itanium2. amd64 is also called x86_64, but amd came up with x86-compatible 64bit CPUs first, so amd64 was the original name
16:59<Newbumz>One other question. I started playing around with squeeze and just loved it then installed Mint just to try it. But Mint has crashed on me 3 times in a day full lock up. I am going to be installing linux for a family member is squeeze solid enough that they won't get crashes even if they have to keep up with updates?
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17:01<scoobetron>is there a particular reason to go for squeeze over stable?
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17:02<Newbumz>upstart absolutely love it so great on a laptop.
17:02<Newbumz>Or is it in stables repos?
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17:03<Newbumz>My personal laptop went from about 1 min startup with SysV in lenny to about 22 seconds with upstart on squeeze.
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17:13<Newbumz>So does anyone have any experience with running squeeze as main system? Like I said, I nuked my squeeze install to try mint and regreted it instantly. I only played with it a couple days so don't have much basis for an opinion.
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17:14<c28>hey guys
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17:16<amphi>Newbumz: squeeze has been working well for me for a long time
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17:17<scoobetron>Newbumz: I run squeeze on two machines, one has been fine, the other I have had to put off upgrading to the latest kernel (video card issues). Squeeze is just about to become the new stable, which should bode well.
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17:18<Newbumz>Ok thanks. I only ran it for 2 days but loved what I saw. I origionaly switched over to debian from ubuntu 8 because of crashing issues, same reason I left windows for linux. So stability is my #1 concern most other issues I can live with.
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17:20<amphi>as for boot time, I don't boot often enough for it to matter
17:21<Newbumz>I understand. I am fine with SysV on my desktop not going to upgrade it any time soon after the scripts I needed to make for various things. But on a laptop Upstart realy is nice.
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17:22<Newbumz>Squeeze was like 20 seconds off of my palm pilots startup time :P
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17:27<amphi>Newbumz: why not just suspend-to-disk rather than boot all the time?
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17:28*luser wished suspend-to-anything worked on his ppc
17:28<Newbumz>Honestly, I just don't.
17:28<Newbumz>And my brother will probably be the same.
17:29<Newbumz>Used to windows shutdown.
17:29<amphi>luser: echo disk > /sys/power/state doesn't work? ISTR it working on a g4 ibook, but I may misremember
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17:31<Newbumz>Actualy another gripe about mint is hibernate messes up. I havn't changed the close lid power setting yet and have wanted to get rid of it again this weekend for that.
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17:33<mathieu>Does anybody have an idea of when the kernel 2.6.32-24 will be pushed either in squeeze and sid?
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17:33<jhutchins>Newbumz: Mint is not Debian, even though they say it is. It is different enough that what will fix Debian will break Mint.
17:34<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.35-trunk-686 (2.6.35-1~experimental.3); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-23); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-21); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-21~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-25lenny1); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2)
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17:38<mathieu>I am asking that because 2.6.32-24 solve an issue with my chipset. However I was not able to install the experimental kernel on lenny, even after adding squeeze and sid repository to my source.list...
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17:42<scoobetron>mathieu: is experimental not different from both sid and squeeze?
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17:44<mathieu>scoobetron: True. They are the same, even for lenny or lenny-backport, I don't remember.
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17:47<luser>amphi - I'll try echo disk tonight, I remember that echo mem didn't do anything useful. (Dual G5 Macnoshit)
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17:51<mathieu>sorry they are not the same for lenny
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18:10<anarcat>hi. i have switched my desktop from a CRT to an LCD, and now fonts are ugly, how can i easily enable subpixel rendering system-wide? i'm not using gnome or KDE
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18:16<MrFrood>anarcat: use a search engine - there are tons of articles on doing custom fonts.conf files
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18:17<anarcat>MrFrood: i tried editing my local.conf actually, no luck so far
18:17<anarcat>so yeah, i did use a search engine thank you
18:19<amphi>luser: if 'cat /sys/power/state' doesn't show 'disk', there's no hope
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18:20<MrFrood>anarcat: if it is any help my ~/.fonts.conf
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18:20<anarcat>i'm surprised to hear i need to edit a random config file... on my laptop, this "just worked" for some reason...
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18:21<anarcat>MrFrood: thanks..
18:21<anarcat>MrFrood: are changes to this file applied immediatly? or do i need to restart X?
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18:22<MrFrood>DE's like gnome & kde have nice gui tools to do the editing but if you don't use a nice DE then you are probaly stuck with a text editor and randon configuration files...
18:23<anarcat>i see
18:23*anarcat fiddles with dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config
18:24<MrFrood>I mainly set mine up to get the dpi right
18:24<luser>amphi: it does show disk, and only disk - I should have checked that last time I tried.
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18:25<anarcat>i remember fiddling with this ages ago ... :)
18:26<amphi>luser: bonne chance ;)
18:27<amphi>luser: one nice thing I recall on the ibook was a kernel option to use the sleep light on the front as an hd access indicator
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18:30<dpkg>All days in #debian will remain Sunday until further notice. Unfortunately, outside #debian the world keeps turning, so you still have to get up and go to work. Welcome to PermaTardsday!
18:30<MrFrood>anarcat: the file I posted is set up for an LCD monitor, the only thing you would need to change is the dpi (92 is unusual)
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18:37<anarcat>maybe the problem is not subpixel rendering rather than dpi resolution...
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18:40<mitchs>Hi, My names Mitch im interested in install debian on my laptop, I have tried before but with some problems, anybody willing to help?
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18:42<anarcat>MrFrood: thanks... doing dpkg-reconfig fontconfig-config and restarting X actually fixed my problem
18:42<anarcat>although it doesn't allow me to tune the DPI
18:42<anarcat>but i won't do that :P
18:42<anarcat>things look fine now
18:42<edbian>mitchs, I might be able to help. What was the problem last time?
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18:43<MrFrood>Kewl :D
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18:43<anarcat>i wish there was an easy, all in one screen tester
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18:43<mitchs>edbian, I can install the system if i do a full format of my hd, but i want to do a dual install this time with my windows7, also i had problems with the wireless network.
18:43<anarcat>that would show images to test for dead pixels, for subpixel rendering order and so on
18:44<edbian>mitchs, I suggest you use gparted and shrink the windows 7 partition. This will leave a big "unallocated" space. Then when you run the Debian installer choose, use largest continuous free space, and it will install in that unallocated space.
18:45<edbian>mitchs, As for the wifi. Get the system up and running (see if the problem persists) then you can trouble shoot that.
18:45<mitchs>edbian, for some reason it wont let me chose the unalocated space,
18:45<edbian>mitchs, You choose "use largest continuous free space" Do you not see that option?
18:45<mitchs>I have done that, freed up almost 30gb of space
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18:47<mitchs>my computer came preset with a c: (system d: (recovery) and e: (hp tools)
18:48<mitchs>theres also a hidden parttion .. so theres a total of 4 partitions on my one hard drive
18:48<mitchs>4 virtual parttions or what are they called i might ask?
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18:51<mitchs>my problem is, it wont let me ad more virtual partitions? I have the free space.
18:51<f8l>mitchs: If they are primary partitions it is impossible to create the fifth one. 4 primary partitions is a limit for IBM (?) partition table.
18:52<mitchs>did you say, impossible!
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18:53<joesin>hello all...
18:53<joesin>can someone help with x11 forwarding from ubuntu to xp putty please
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18:53<mitchs>so, i could format my d:/ (backup) resize it then install into that drive?
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18:58<luser>mitchs: just nuke the whole thing and start from scratch! But if you're scared, is there any reason the hp tools can't be moved into c:?
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18:58*luser prepares to self destruct in amphi's advice! :-D
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18:59<amphi>luser: heh
19:00<joesin>hello all
19:02<mitchs>I did do a full format previously but i could not get the wifi to work, so i had to reinstall my windows7 to get back on the web. I need my interwebs, so im trying to do a dual boot so i can work on the wifi then maybe when i figure out the problems ill do a reformat and run just a linux partition
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19:04<luser>amphi: nope, failed as in previous attempts (pm-tools or something), it goes to console, prints about 6 lines, and then locks up
19:05<luser>I had no luck on #debianppc, so think I'm doomed to whirr all night long for ever
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19:08<f8l>mitchs: If you are sure they are logical it should be possible to create more, but only next to other logical partitions.
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19:10<amphi>luser: bunner
19:11<amphi>er, bummer
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19:23<kurtis>Hey guys, I've got some issues going on with my system. Yesterday, I freshly installed Lenny and immediately upgraded to squeeze and installed my Nvidia drivers. First off, when I open X as a non-root user, I am unable to view/mount my other hard drives using the disk manager. Any suggestions on how to fix that?
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19:35<joesin>so no dice... eh?
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19:39<themill>joesin: perhaps I missed something, but don't you want to ask #ubuntu on
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19:42<Dominus>I have a single question (Don't know if this is the right place to ask): How do I learn to use a VPS?
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19:58<cockroach>hrm, i'm getting this when i connect a device via usb - any idea what might be wrong there (that's from .xsession-errors, latest testing, amd64, xfce)?
19:58<cockroach>(mass storage device)
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20:19<lluvia>I am learning to package
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20:19<lluvia>a manual which explain debian/rules?
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20:21<f8l>lluvia: `apt-get install maint-guide`
20:21<lluvia>and then?
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20:22<lluvia>f8l: I installed it before, but I don't know where it is hodden
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20:26<f8l>lluvia: Search in /usr/share/doc/maint-guide-XX, where XX is your language code.
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21:33<shantorn>hello, does anyone know of a post that would guide me through setting up hddtemp as a daemon?
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21:43<sivel>hello all
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21:45<sivel>i have a logitech clearchat wireless usb headset that worked well under mint/ubuntu, and with squeeze its not working at all.its shown in alsamixer as a card, but i can never select it. any ideas?
21:45<sivel>its also recognized by lsusb and dmesg
21:46<shantorn>i think everyone is else where to be honest
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21:46<shantorn>and i am sorry i cant help you
21:46<sivel>ok, it was worth a shot
21:46<sivel>thanks anyway
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22:08<hardbop200>hi - I just put a fresh install of squeeze on my laptop, went to install flashplugin-nonfree but it isn't there, wasn
22:08<hardbop200>wasn't able to find anything on google.
22:09<hardbop200>am I missing something obvious?
22:10<jpinx>hardbop200: iirc you add nonfree to your sources.list and update
22:10<dpkg>Flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations, ask about <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation.
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22:19<shantorn>thank you for the flash heads up
22:19<hardbop200>jpinx: thanks, I was aware of the non-free sources, but for whatever reason it's not showing up. wonder if it got pulled? maybe now is a good time to move to gnash :)
22:19<shantorn>has anyone had issues with the networkmanager not showing devices?
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22:20<jpinx>hardbop200: try a different mirror?
22:20<jpinx>!adobe flash
22:20<dpkg>Adobe Flash Player is <non-free>. The easiest way to install it is with the flashplayer-mozilla package from; there is also a flashplugin-nonfree <contrib> package available from debian-backports. Ask me about <dmm> <bdo> <non-free>. WARNING: installing flashplugin-nonfree will NOT automatically keep the plugin updated. See also <flash amd64>.
22:21<jpinx>hardbop200: there ya go - it's in dmm !
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22:23<hardbop200>jpinx: thanks for the help! I'll add that to my sources
22:24<jpinx>hardbop200: read the dmm factoid and remember that there are no backports for squeeze
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22:39<hardbop200>jpinx: read it, got everything going well, thanks again! just curious, are you using flash or gnash?
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22:44<jpinx>hardbop200: flash
22:44<jpinx>hardbop200: I hear that gnash is not so great -- but I never tried it personally ;)
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23:17<pololoq>jpinx: are have you tried installing the flashplayer-mozilla package on amd64? If I check showpkg on this package, I see it depends on nspluginwrapper and ia32-libs
23:18<pololoq>jpinx: so I suspect it's the 32 bit version
23:19<pololoq>jpinx: might be mistaking, I'm only running debian for a week or so
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23:31<jpinx>pololoq: sorry, no - I am on 32bit
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23:34<pololoq>jpinx: okay. i've installed square manually for now and it's working fine. i'll keep an eye on what's happening in the debian-multimedia repo.
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23:37<CHRM>eu sou novato
23:37<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
23:37<CHRM>eu estou usando o phlak
23:38<CHRM>e gostaria de saber como eu fasso testes na minha rede com o hydra, ode se localiza o hydra
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