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00:44<dpkg>BackTrack is not Debian and is not supported in #debian (ask me about <based on debian>). Try or #backtrack-linux on instead. BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux.
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02:18<arrtg>hi all!
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02:30<dserban>is aptitude able to display installed files while in interactive mode?
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02:31<dondelelcaro>dserban: yes
02:31<dondelelcaro>well, installed packages
02:32<dserban>aye, that's what I figured, but I can't figure out how :P google fires me off to IQ tests .. heh
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02:33<dondelelcaro>dserban: by default they're in the "installed packages" section; you can specifically limit to them by using l ~i
02:33<dserban>dpkg -L suits me fine, but I'm mangling a server and C-z drives me nuts.
02:33<dpkg>ii suits me fine, but I'm mangling a server and C-z drives me nuts. 1.6-2 ultra s3kr1t #debian package
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02:33<dserban>oh whoops
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02:34<dondelelcaro>dserban: if you mean the package contents, then for that, no aptitude doesn't do that
02:34<dserban>Oh no I meant files provided by packages.
02:34<dserban>Aye ok, thanks.
02:34<dondelelcaro>dserban: if this is a server, why aren't you just using screen or multiple connections?
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02:35<dserban>well I am, it was just one of those... "I wonder if" moments.
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02:37<dserban>dondelelcaro: you might know, is there a doc debian provides that discusses performance etc when using debian for a server environment? I've been playing with sysctl settings and came across the swapiness setting. I knew about it before, but I went into an internet tangent looking for "best practices" for debian and came up dry, except for a document (I don't remember if it was for debian specifically) that's terribly outdated.
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02:39<dondelelcaro>dserban: not specifically, no; most of that stuff tends to be really application and domain specific
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02:42<Mimisbrunnr>Question about CVE-2010-3301, i'm running kernel version 2.6.31, do I need to patch?
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02:43<Mimisbrunnr>and if so, to which version
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02:44<cmot>yodel! anybody has/had "fglrx: disagrees about version of symbol module_layout" in dmesg and knows a solution?
02:44<cmot>fglrx-source 1:10-9-1
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02:44<dserban>yeah, what I figured, though after being forced to play with win2k8 server, I got to wondering if debian's default kernel settings were "optimal", and if tweaking the kernel settings would "extract" better responsiveness out of the servers.
02:45<cmot>kernel from experimental
02:45<dondelelcaro>dserban: they're just a reasonable default; they're certainly not optimal for a particular problem set
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02:46<cmot>linux-headers <> linux-image version mismatch
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02:46<dondelelcaro>dserban: the real trick is comming up with a realistic test harness so you can play with the settings, and then knowing how the settings interact; there's probably a general document about performance tweaking the linux kernel out there somewhere... but my general approach is to throw more hardware at the problem
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02:48<hide>Morning everyone. I have a 4 CPU SMP system and run two CPU-intensive processes. However, both of them (probably accidentally) use the same CPU, so it's loaded 100% while other 3 are 0% used. Is there any way to 'jump' one task to another CPU? (Manually, automatically, etc?)
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02:57<dserban>dondelelcaro: hah yeah, that's been my approach since the 90's
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02:59<gsimmons>Mimisbrunnr: WRT Debian kernel images, fixes were applied to linux-2.6 2.6.32-23 in unstable. This will be available for lenny-backports soon and eventually squeeze.
03:02<ironm>hide, what version of Linux do you run on your 4 CPUs system?
03:03<dondelelcaro>dserban: yeah; I came to the realization a while ago that hardware is much cheaper than my time
03:04<hide>ironm: debian/stable, of course. It's a sparc machine.
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03:04<ironm>hide, I guess it is lenny .. right?
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03:05<hide>ironm: yes.
03:05<hide>I started messing with `taskset`, it seems that's what I need
03:06<ironm>hide, a possiblity would be to download a debian live .iso image (squeezy or sid) and boot it on your machine to see if the new kernel can split you applications over more than one CPU
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03:07<hide>ironm: I'm using the generic kernel so everything should be in it's place
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03:08<hide>*sometimes* the processes get different CPUs but sometimes they're on one. It sucks then
03:08<ironm>hide, what sparc model is it hide ?
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03:08<hide>ironm: unfortunately I dunno since I have only a shell in there and haven't seen the physical machine
03:09<ironm>from my point of view lenny would/could use quite old kernel .. @ hide
03:09<hide>it's 2.6.26
03:10<hide>I'm looking forwart to squeeze, it uses 2.6.32 IIRC
03:10<dserban>dondelelcaro: :P indeed, though I find it quite amusing that I can buy a decent server for less than 3g's ... the price of a stripped down 1980's pc. Anyway, thanks for the banter, I gotta go blow some stuff up.
03:10<ironm>well ..I run sid and use 2.6.32-5
03:12<hide>Are you sure it's sid, not testing/squeeze?
03:12<hide>Sid should have an even newer kernel IMHO
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03:30<_hexguy>I'm trying to change my wallpaper every 2 minutes using a python script and cron, the script works fine by itself but it doesn't work with cron, any ideas?
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03:32<Mimisbrunnr>gsimmons: thanks
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03:51<mjr>would be in rather a hurry to reinstall a whole bunch of boxes, pointers to how to d-i preseed to use the current partitioning, scrap /, keeping /home
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03:57<mjr>_is there_ actually a way to either use the existing partitioning or at least use exact partition numbering in the recipe?
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04:04<blarson>I never used preseeding, but here's what the dpkg bot has:
04:04<dpkg>[preseed] Preseeding provides a way to set answers to questions asked during the Debian installation process, to allow for a streamlined or completely automated installation. The <install guide> provides an extensive appendix on preseeding with a full example. See and . See also <debconf-set-selections>.
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04:09<david_sky>Hello. 1st time here & 1st time using IRC. I have a question about remote installation of debian image. Could somebody please name a tool or anything that would help me with my search? (googled quite a lot, but nothing useful)
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04:12<mjr>blarson, from which the answer would appear by its absence to be "no", which seems rather incredible
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04:14<jpinx-eeepc>david_sky: look in the install mehods in d.o
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04:29<Richardcarl>somebody here
04:29<eightyeight>398 people are in the channel
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05:16<Shakkol>Sorry to bug you guys, but what's the Wine IRC channel thing? Is it "/join #winehq"?
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05:21<ao2>hi, it looks like I cannot change gdm3 settings. Can anyone confirm that options in gdmsetup (System->Administration->Login Screen) are all grayed?
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07:13<merethan>Hi all
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07:15<merethan>My ethernet device is not managed by NetworkManager applet. I am part of the netdev group, so that's not the problem. Might it be the line "iface eth0 inet dhcp" in /etc/network/interfaces?
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07:32<f8l>merethan: I read somewhere that network manager needs the interfaces not to be mentioned in /etc/network/interfaces. I don't remember which network manager was regarded, but you may try to comment this like out and retry.
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07:34<merethan>f8l, yes, I just tied that a minute ago and it worked.
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07:46<annakamilla>oi gente
07:46<annakamilla>tudo bom ??
07:46<annakamilla>alguem aqui tem intel ich5 ??
07:47<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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07:48<mAniAk->this channel is 90% about redirecting spanish people elsewhere
07:48<themill>mAniAk-: except that was Portuguese.
07:48<mAniAk->same difference
07:49<Ashokkumarj>hi i installed audit in my system and i got the logs for the system calls . here how i can get the trusted system calls log. and what are the trusted system calls. i read about these lines in web thats why i am asking
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07:51<getphuture>good day all
07:51<getphuture>I'm looking for png14 packages in debian. Any idea please ? Didn't find it through the search engine
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08:54<cmot>is there a way to set cups debug level for a specified printer only?
08:55<cmot>debugging a production printserver is a pain!
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08:57<cmot>was there a cupsctl command for etch?
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09:03<c0sgrove>hi! someone can help me with an shellscript? i want made an script that send mail ever that someone login/logout on VPN, i get in my logfile this line: login,pptpd0,IP,USER / logout,pptpd0,,IP/32 - how can i made an script that send mail to me when anybody login and logout on VPN?
09:04<bognu>I'm to stupid to understand the -prune option of find. Can somebody tell me how I search in all the directories (.) but NOT in the directory ./DEBIAN? I just don't get it working :-/
09:04<bognu>"find . -path DEBIAN -prune" doesn't work
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09:05<felixs>c0sgrove: pipe something into "sendmail your_email_address"
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09:07<felixs>bognu: pipe the results of fing into grep -v ^DEBIAN (if its not supposed to be efficient)
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09:07<bognu>felixs, haha, I know this one :-)
09:07<c0sgrove>felixs: but it need be in real time, i guess in... for example tail -f /var/log/vpn.log .... find .... | grep ... help me pls! T_T
09:08<themill>bognu: you probably want "find . -path ./DEBIAN -prune -o -print"
09:09<felixs>c0sgrove: so you don't know how/where your vpn stuff calls logger?
09:09<felixs>c0sgrove: thats another problem....
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09:09<c0sgrove>felixs: no, no! i know here is my log file..
09:09<bognu>themill, really strange! As I copy it from you it works. As I tried to do this it didn't. I must ahve made a mistake :-) thank you!
09:10<themill>bognu: no worries. There were two changes from your original line -- including ./ before the directory name and "-o -print" at the end.
09:10<c0sgrove>felixs: but how can i'll made an script that read an line login/logout to send mail ever anybody login.... ?
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09:11<bognu>themill, I tried the -o -print earlier...... ahahaha the ./ makes the difference
09:11<bognu>I can't beliefe it
09:11<bognu>this trap is really easy to fall into
09:11<felixs>c0sgrove: replace the logging line with a sendmail line.
09:11<c0sgrove>felixs: for i create the script i need know an command line to script read my logfile and send email when anybody login there.
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09:12<felixs>c0sgrove: no, you dont want to postprocess your logfile. that doesnt make sense
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09:19<dpkg>spice: VATTENE VIA!
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10:10<davetrotter>hey im about to do an install of debian on encryped partitions. in the install is there an option to use a usb stick to store 4 encryption keys so i dont have to type them in?
10:12<mjr>don't know, probably not, but 4? Do you actually need that or would a single encrypted LVM suffice?
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10:13<davetrotter>i have 4 hard drives. And i was going to encrypt each pv.
10:13<davetrotter>would that not be the best way to do it?
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10:33<usuario>you are book
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10:34<locklace>!slap usuario
10:34*dpkg strikes a resounding *THWAP* across usuario's face
10:34<usuario>k dices
10:34<usuario>no entiendo
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10:34<usuario>si si
10:35<usuario>me ablais en español
10:35<locklace>why does your country pipe its human waste into #debian
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10:35<usuario>ola usuario
10:36<usuario>k tslll
10:36<usuario_>bien y tu
10:36<usuario>amos k no amos
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10:36<usuario>amos a ablar en español
10:36<usuario_>siii k motivante
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10:38<lluvia>I have an entry of my /var/lib/dpkg/available, what can I do?
10:39<lluvia>I cannot do some basical things like apt-get remove <package>
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10:48<themill>lluvia: can you pastebin the actual error (the command that generates the error and the entire output would be handy)
10:49<lluvia>it is in spanish language, but i can translate it
10:49<themill>lluvia: just re-run the command with LANG=C in front.
10:49<themill>dpkg: tell lluvia about localised errors
10:52<themill>lluvia: can you have a look at /var/lib/dpkg/available near line 7328 and pastebin a couple of stanzas of the file around there. It sounds like it's had a hard time.
10:53<lluvia>can you give me a command? it is not so easy because characters are not printables
10:53<themill>oh... they really should be :(
10:54<lluvia>fs corruption maybe?
10:54<themill>that's a distinct possibility. dpkg/apt are pretty good at not corrupting available.
10:55<lluvia>how can I refresh this file?
10:55<themill>"sed -n 7300,7400p /var/lib/dpkg/available | pastebinit" would work (assuming you pastebinit installed... pipe to "nc 1234" if you have netcat and not pastebinit
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10:56<themill>If your filesystem is in trouble, then you need to sort that prior to fixing that file. Take it offline and run an fsck and hope. Then /msg dpkg available
10:56<usuario>olaaaa k pasa
10:56<usuario>soy ingles
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10:57<themill>!es-social usuario
10:57<dpkg>usuario: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
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10:58<lluvia>I have no pastebinit
10:58<themill>lluvia: if you have "nc" use that; if neither, redirect to a file then upload it.
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11:01<lluvia>here start the part with problems
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11:02<themill>lluvia: yeah, take it offline and run an fsck and hope. Then /msg dpkg available
11:03<lluvia>how I run fsck exactly?
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11:04<themill>lluvia: is /var/lib/dpkg/available on the same partition as /? (i.e. is feasible to unmount it or boot into single user mode so you can fsck it?)
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11:05<Lantizia>Lo, if I use debian-set-selections and the thing I'm setting is a password... after that setting has been used... should I clear it some how?
11:05<lluvia>i can use a live cd
11:06<themill>lluvia: might be easiest if you have one to hand
11:06<lluvia>could you give me the fsck command?
11:06<lluvia>I didn't use it in the past
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11:11<themill>lluvia: before rebooting, have a look at the output of "mount" to decide which device needs fscking. Then "fsck /dev/the_device_that_needs_checking" will be sufficient.
11:11<lluvia>thanks themill
11:12<themill>Lantizia: it's not a bad idea to do so. debconf-set-selections sticks the information in a file that only root can read, however.
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11:12<themill>Lantizia: presuming, that is, that you tell debconf-set-selections that it's a password you're setting.
11:12<Lantizia>themill, ok so should I delete the file - or purge it in some other way?
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11:18<Lantizia>themill, if debconf-get-selections is used then you can see the password in plain text you see
11:18<themill>Lantizia: if the postinst script doesn't clean up after itself anyway, you can set a blank password afterwards
11:18<Lantizia>ok will test if postinst does clean up - one sec
11:18<themill>Lantizia: only if you run that as root; non-root users are not shown things out of the password database.
11:19<Lantizia>still I don't like password being stored plain text
11:20<themill>if someone has root on your machine to see them, then you've got other troubles too. But yes, clearing the passwd is better.
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11:21<Lantizia>themill, it's not that - is the possibility of someone booting up without logging in by just getting grub to get linux to execute a shell directly - or worse just taking the hard disk out
11:22<themill>you've still got plenty more problems to worry about that /var/cache/debconf/passwords.dat if that's a risk.
11:23<Lantizia>looks like mysql cleans up the password anyway
11:23<themill>well if you're worried that someone might be able to do that to get your /var/cache/debconf/passwords.dat, then they will also be able to replace /bin/bash or any other binary on your system with whatever variety of keylogger, trojan, backdoor or whatever you like.
11:23<Lantizia>oh I don't care about that
11:24<Lantizia>just don't want anyone getting the main password
11:24<themill>don't reuse passwords?
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11:24<Lantizia>not that simple :) you've answered my question now - thanks
11:25<themill>(and by the time someone has installed a keylogger, it's a bit irrelevant whether they did or didn't just capture your password in plain text from the passwords.dat)
11:25<Lantizia>that's nice, as ever it seems you don't know when to give it a rest
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11:26<themill>Lantizia: it's not a question of giving it a rest or not.... you were making up arguments about how passwords.dat was a problem for you and all I'm doing is making sure that you know it's not. Quite why you didn't try it yourself to begin with rather than asking in here I'm not sure anyway.
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11:30<nadir>which package offers the command gpg?
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11:30<nadir>on a default installation, not gnome-gpg and similar ones.
11:30<themill>nadir: gnupg; /msg dpkg apt-file
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11:32<nadir>themill: thanks, that was it. i tried "apt-file show" and "dpkg - | grep ", both gave me too much output.
11:33<themill>nadir: no worries. "apt-file search bin/gpg" or, if the package is already installed, "dpkg -S $(which gpg)"
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11:37<nadir>good help. thanks.
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11:50<milosz_>it is possible to install mysql-server without passwd prompt and set password after install from bash script?
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12:02<AzaToth>I'm having an aiptek 600u (WALTOP International Corp. Slim Tablet) and it works somewhat (seems to be known bugs that the pointer looses sensitivity), but my main issue atm is that gimp crashes when I uses it. Anyone has any insight in this kind of issues?
12:02<jhutchins_lt>milosz_: Yes, but that's what sets up the start/stop utilities.
12:03<jhutchins_lt>AzaToth: What release are you trying to run?
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12:04<AzaToth>jhutchins: of which?
12:04<AzaToth>I'm using sid
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12:11<jespada>hi guys...any idea how to change the default time for daily logrotate?
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12:12<cahoot>jespada: look at /etc/crontab
12:12<jespada>yep that was my firts clue
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12:13<jespada>aaa ok anacron
12:13<jespada>thanks cahoot
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12:33<raviolicode>hi, I made an image with debootstrap to use it with uml. when I try to boot, I get the 'modules.dep' not found error. am I missing something?
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12:37<amakusa>hello, can someone tell me how to change the permissions on a folder and all its contents?
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12:38<cthuluh>amakusa: man chmod (be careful)
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12:39<amakusa>cthuluh: thanks, I will, but it's a folder with pictures within my home folder :-D
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12:44<retrospectacus>I'm doing a "dpkg-reconfigure locales" and it says "Locales to be generated" and a pick list but the list only has "All locales", no other option
12:44<retrospectacus>I just want like UTF-8 and C or whatever so I don't get those warnings flying around all the time
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12:45<jordanm>retrospectacus: do you have "locales-all" installed instead of "locales"?
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12:46<retrospectacus>OK I chose to generate all, it started going... ar_KW.UTF-8, ar_LB ISO-8859-6, ar_LB.UTF-8, ar_LY ISO-8859-6, .... ^C and re-ran the command, now I have all the options.
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12:48<retrospectacus>jordanm: I have locales installed but not locales-all
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12:53<ra>Siema jest tu jakiś polak ?
12:53<f8l>ra: Tak, ale to jest angielski kanał.
12:53<ra>no to mogę pisać po polsku co :P
12:53<ra>mam do was pytanie czy linux jest dobry do hackowania tak ?
12:54<ra>np cmd
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12:54<f8l>ra: Nie. Na freenodzie znajdziesz polski kanał, choć nieoficjalny.
12:54<ra>dobra ja idę dalej ine linuxy sprawdzić :D
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12:55<ra>bo mam dużo płyt linux jest bez płatny
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12:55<ra>kupiłem go za 11 zł na allegro :D
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12:55<dpkg>it has been said that pl is polska -> #debian-pl (on Also, pl is a common extension for perl scripts and is sometimes used as an abbreviation for "packet loss".
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12:56<f8l>qq-: He does not listen to me when I tell him to go to freenode's polish debian channel...
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13:05<jhutchins_lt>People are amazingly persistent in coming here even when we can't help them. I guess we're just friendly.
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13:11<retrospectacus>anyone have any debian-specific info on CVE-2010-3081 ?
13:12<retrospectacus>answered my own question there
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13:18<jespada>retrospectacus, there are three paches for that one
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13:23<retrospectacus>jespada: will apt-get update; apt-get upgrade do the job?
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13:29<jespada>hmm I don't think so
13:31<retrospectacus>hmm that is a test to see if your system is compromised, not a fix
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13:36<jespada>retrospectacus, look
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13:37<Gathond>retrospectacus: if you are using lenny, installing that kernel says you should install should fix it
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13:37<Gathond>retrospectacus: if you are using sid I believe the same is the case for linux-image-2.6.32-5
13:38<Gathond>retrospectacus: if you are using testing no one is likely to actively do anything to fix it
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13:52<mac7>hi, can someone help? I installed secure-delete via apt-get but how can I start the programm
13:52<retrospectacus>I have lenny. apt-get upgrade installed this:
13:52<retrospectacus>Get:2 lenny/updates/main linux-image-2.6.26-2-openvz-amd64 2.6.26-25lenny1 [21.1MB]
13:52<retrospectacus>mac7: dpkg -S secure-delete
13:52<retrospectacus>this will show you the files that package gave you
13:53<jordanm>retrospectacus: dpkg -L secure-delete
13:53<retrospectacus>should be something in /usr/bin or some place you can run
13:53<retrospectacus>sorry -L
13:53<jordanm>-S for searching for a particular file
13:53<jordanm>retrospectacus: that looks normal
13:53<retrospectacus>ah yeah got it backwards
13:53<retrospectacus>jordanm: should have installed a fix for that Vuln.?
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13:54<mac7> it has no GUI?
13:54<retrospectacus>did you run it?
13:54<mac7>I only did dpkg -S secure-delete
13:55<retrospectacus>do it with -L
13:55<retrospectacus>this just tells you what files the package gave you
13:55<retrospectacus>next you have to pick one to run
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13:55<jordanm>it provides 5 binaries, I would check /usr/share/doc/secure-delete/README.Debian
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13:56<retrospectacus>try running: man secure-delete
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13:56<jordanm>it provides 5 manpages, but that is not one
13:56<retrospectacus>sorry I will let jordanm take over.. I don't have this info
13:56<jordanm>just guessing the names, I would say he want man srm
13:57<jordanm>retrospectacus: hehe, I just did apt-file list secure-data. not many files
13:57<mac7>sorry, I do not come any further
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13:58<mac7>Is there another eraser available with a GUI?
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13:59<tharkun>Gentlemen i need to add a root certificate to the ca-certificates package for local delivery only where can i get the information to unpack and repack the package ca-certificates ?
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14:05<jordanm>tharkun: /msg dpkg package recompile
14:06<tharkun>jordanm: thx
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14:19<tharkun>jordanm: iou a dinner
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14:22<tuvwx>on an ldap-managed system (passwd and group), i can log in, but my group membership is not recognized - i am only in my primary group. other machines on the same ldap server show proper group membership
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14:23<tuvwx>membership tested by: getent group | grep <username>
14:24<Web-sidux680>hi all, how RECOMMENDATION aptosid redistro from debian?
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14:28<antivirys>ima li bg
14:28<retrospectacus>antivirys: Hello. English only here, please.
14:29<antivirys>what's up bro
14:29<Web-sidux680> can i control own system per voice?
14:30<dawid>who have kde4 on Debian ? Can you give me results free -m ?
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14:31<antivirys>antiv1rys:/home/antiv1rys/antivirys# free -m
14:31<antivirys> total used free shared buffers cached
14:31<antivirys>Mem: 882 851 31 0 42 389
14:31<antivirys>-/+ buffers/cache: 419 463
14:31<antivirys>Swap: 996 0 996
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14:31<retrospectacus>antivirys: is there a debian problem we can help you with?
14:32<antivirys>I have no problem with my machine, ask if there are problems:)
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15:32<Lantizia>hey if I use debconf-set-selections before I install a package... how am I meant to know which questions will be asked and what the variable names will be?
15:34<retrospectacus>hmmm.. you don't
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15:34<retrospectacus>it will ask when you install the stuff
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15:37<retrospectacus>sorry I am wrong
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15:38<retrospectacus>I think you would have to install the thing, do a debconf-get-selections and there you will have the questions
15:38<retrospectacus>or you can probably look them up somewhere
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15:56<eightyeight>i seem to be failing in me searching, but does sid ship ii with the ssl patch?
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15:57<eightyeight>talk like a pirate was yesterday. ツ
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16:02<FFAMax>Hi all. I have 1 question. I have mothermoard MCP55 with host-raid controller. I know that sata_nv driver included to kernel, but i can not see raid at setup time. Anybody know, driver sata_nv included to a buisiness card or full dvd_distribution?
16:05<f8l>FFAMax: There are packages lists somewhere on the FTP of debian-cd.
16:06<FFAMax>you mean "pool" dir?
16:07<f8l>FFAMax: You say it's included in kernel... Then you just need a new enough kernel.
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16:10<FFAMax>Em.. before i take possibility to build new kernel, i must to install a system :-) So... i must have opportunity add driver at setup time..
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16:13<f8l>FFAMax: I mean on the cd. Since which version it is included?
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16:16<FFAMax>5.0.3 - locate sata_nv: ... sata_nv.ko... Now i try 506
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16:18<bremner>on a domU xen instance, can the kernel be upgraded inside, or (I suppose), does this need to be done in dom0?
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16:18<f8l>FFAMax: So it is on your cd. Than it's a different problem.
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17:12<psych787>Can anyone in the thick of things give me a semi-pessimistic ETA on Debian Squeeze's release?
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17:17<musca>!when it's ready
17:17<dpkg><tm> (as in kde3's debs)
17:17<dpkg>Squeeze is now frozen and will release <WIR>, <SIYH>. See and . Ask me about <squeeze bet>.
17:17<retrospectacus>squeeze bet
17:17<retrospectacus>!squeeze bet
17:17<dpkg>To add a bet to the squeeze pool, /msg dpkg squeeze pool 1 =~ s/!/! <nick>=yyyy-mm-dd/ and when squeeze pool 1 is filled, create squeeze pool 2 and update this factoid.
17:18<retrospectacus>!squeeze pool 1
17:18<dpkg>! <macrobat>=2010-12-13 aguitel=2010-07-11 old=2010-09-21 BonZo=2010-10-15 <craigevil>=2010-08-30 Selveste1=2011-06-10 NiLon=2010-10-12 rvsjoen=2010-07-15 jordanm=2010-12-15 icebrain=2010-06-01 tabashco=2010-11-22 <rmayorga>=2011-1-17 jelly=2010-09-29 dpalacio=2010-08-03 cydork=2010-07-10 CutMeOwnThroat=2010-06-15 enouf=2010-04-01 themill=2010-05-30 valdyn=2010-06-15 rohan=2010-12-06 abrotman=2010-10-02 gsimmons=2010-09-03
17:18<abrotman>msg the bot?
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17:18<retrospectacus>psych787: there are some estimates
17:18*retrospectacus sorry
17:19<abrotman>those are estimates .. those are wild guesses, mostly by people not involved in the direct development of squeeze
17:20<retrospectacus>yeah a lot of them are in the past....
17:23<psych787>As I said, anyone in the thick of things with an estimate?
17:24<abrotman>psych787: read the URL above .. but there isn't a real time estimate .. they release when they have 0 RC bugs
17:24<psych787>Zero? Last time I saw several hundred.
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17:26<retrospectacus>hence, siyh
17:27<psych787>I was planning to upgrade a machine when Squeeze hit stable so I could take it to the next testing release at the same time. I take it then Squeeze probably isn't coming out this year?
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17:33<retrospectacus>psych787: you can still plan to do that, just don't plan your fiscal year-end around it or anything like that.. ;)
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17:35<foldy>hello could anybody help me adding repository on Debian squeeze testing on ia64 to synaptic?
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17:37<psych787>retrospectacus: One problem is that the HDTV functionality is *badly* broken in Debian Stable. So there is some need to know if Debian Squeeze will come out before the football team stops playing.
17:37<f8l>foldy: ia64? You are the only person I know that has this architecture.
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17:38<foldy>f8l, yeah there is not a lot of these machines, Im preparing some simulation software on my projects
17:38<f8l>foldy: Just copy the one you have right now and replace "stable" with "squeeze".
17:38<foldy>f8l, the point is that I havent any mirrors on my repo
17:39<smhar>I have a strange problem with my squeeze system. I usually have 2 users logged in, user1 @tty7 and user2 @tty8. in several times I had user2 screen stuck: I can go to user1 (ctrl+alt+7) but when I try to go to user2 I only see a black screen. I know that user2 is still logged on, as it is still showing on 'who'. but I can not access it. it happened several time that I do not think it is a random thing I managed to reproduce i
17:39<smhar>t this way: both users are logged on, switch to user2, lock screen (from drop menu: gnome) at the same time move finger on the mouse pad... it is out
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17:39<f8l>!tell foldy about sources
17:40<foldy>f8l, Im using 10 years slackware on x86 machines so I dont know nothing about repositories..
17:41<foldy>f8l, thanks I try to find any repo
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17:41<alice>show here
17:42<dserban>my cupsd keeps sefaulting, even after a fresh install. And I can't find much in the bts. Any known problems I should look for?
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17:43<retrospectacus>psych787: lol
17:43<retrospectacus>psych787: so upgrade to squeeze. You don't have to wait for it to be released
17:44<f8l>smhar: I had similar problem on my cursed GeForce card. It was something related to vsync.
17:44<psych787>Ahh, but things break sometimes. Its less painful if I can do one upgrade rather than two.
17:45<psych787>Especially because I maintain other machines, all in slightly different states... :|
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17:45<jhutchins_lt>dserban: Which release?
17:45<f8l>psych787: I upgrade daily. Nothing to wory about.
17:46<psych787>f8l: Full dist-upgrade?
17:46<f8l>psych787: Of course.
17:46<psych787>How can you dist-upgrade daily?
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17:47<jhutchins_lt>psych787: Don't you want to review the updates so you'll know what's happeing if something breaks?
17:47<jhutchins_lt>psych787: I run cron-apt in download/notify mode, but I apply the updates manually.
17:48<psych787>I've read that dist-upgrade works better, and leaves the system in a more consistient state.
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17:48<valdyn>psych787: that is nonsense
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17:49<jhutchins_lt>psych787: The commands are different for different releases of apt.
17:49<valdyn>judd: versions cron-apt
17:49<judd>Package cron-apt on i386 -- etch: 0.4.14; lenny: 0.6.7; sid: 0.8.2; squeeze: 0.8.2
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17:50<valdyn>psych787: so?
17:50<psych787>I was talking about upgrading to debian testing.
17:51<psych787>Not cron-apt.
17:51<psych787>Last time I ran a dist-upgrade like that, I spent the day fixing major bugs, such as the broken python package installer.
17:51<psych787>(well then-broken)
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17:56<f8l>psych787: such things happen sometimes. Once on stable there was a xorg migration I didn't know about. Modules path was changed and modules were to be moved manualy.
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17:57<f8l>psych787: And that was my first apt-get dist-upgrade.
17:57<psych787>f8l: And as such, I try to minimize the number of dist-upgrades.
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17:58<weasel>whether or not module paths change has probably very little relation to upgrade vs' dist-upgrade
17:58<themill>it's also not the sort of thing that happens in stable
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18:00<f8l>psych787: Now I know that frequent upgrades help to cope with such problems, because smaller upgrade is easier to search for bugs.
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18:00<f8l>themill: I said it was on stable. Sarge IIRC. Long ago...
18:01<psych787>f8l: But upgrading from stable to testing to the next version of testing would seem unwise.
18:01<psych787>Or at least time consuming.
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18:03<f8l>psych787: Not much more than waiting for release and than upgrading all at once...
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18:10<dserban>jhutchins_lt: sorry, it's sid :)
18:11<dserban> error 4 in
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18:15<pipe>I suppose btrfs won't be very stable in squeeze?
18:15<pipe>Or are there any filesystem wizards here that disagree? :)
18:16<psych787>BTRFS stability is a matter of the kernel.
18:17<pipe>Right, and the kernel will be 2.6.32?
18:17<psych787>Kernel in Squeeze is already 2.6.34.
18:17<psych787>Might be 2.6.35 now, haven't checked.
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18:18<amphi>psych787: 2.6.32-5 here
18:19<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.35-trunk-686 (2.6.35-1~experimental.3); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-23); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-21); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-23~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-25lenny1); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2)
18:20<pipe>I think I read that squeeze was now frozen, with 2.6.32
18:20<psych787>Odd, the testing installer gave me 2.6.34 right off
18:21<psych787>Well, anyway, there's usually nothing to stop you from pinning one of the upstream kernels.
18:24<pipe>What filesystems do you guys use these days? I was just hit with a forced fsck on my ext3 (or ext4) partition, about 1TB in size.
18:24<pipe>Going to take a while.
18:24<tharkun>pipe: grab some coffee and enjoy the view
18:24<pipe>Well, I was out with the dog
18:24<pipe>Now I'm preparing some tea
18:25<psych787>I use ext4.
18:25<pipe>It's at 50% now anyway.. "soon" done ;)
18:25<MrFrood>pipe: when you say forced, do you mean the ones on boot?
18:25<psych787>At worst, ext4 takes only a minute to fsck.
18:25<dserban>jfs has always treated me well
18:25<psych787>With a journal and a little tune2fs work, you can keep those forced checks to an absolute minimum.
18:25<pipe>MrFrood: Yeah, 201 days after last check or something.
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18:26<pipe>psych787: But those checks make me feel good. I suppose I could just disable them since I am using a journal.
18:26<ComradeHaz`>Hi guys, I have a 'command' running in htop that I want to see fully. (That is I have used an application to spawn a command that I want to see) How could I get at that? Clearly I cannot grep htops output...
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18:27<MrFrood>pipe: I can't remeber how off the top of my head but I know that you can alter the frequency of the forced scans so they don't happen so often
18:27<pipe>ComradeHaz`: Hm, I don't know if I understand your question, but isn't "ps" enough?
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18:28<sander>I have an external hd with hfsplus filesystem.. anyone know how to mount it read write?
18:28<pipe>ComradeHaz`: something like "ps ax | grep foo"
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18:28<ComradeHaz`>oooh, pipe! Exactly!
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18:29<pipe>ComradeHaz`: You also have the full commandline in /proc/<pid>/cmdline if you know the pid of the process, although it's in a format that is not exactly printable
18:30<ComradeHaz`>I see, nah, ps ax is exactly the format I was after.
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18:30<sander>I'm able to mount it read only.
18:30<sander>But not with write access.
18:30<pipe>sander: how do you mount it, from commandline?
18:31<sander>pipe, both from command line.. with -t hfsplus .. and it also gets mounted automaticly.
18:31<pipe>sander: Have you tried "-rw" just in case?
18:32<pipe>sander: and tried with -v
18:32<pipe>I don't even know if hfsplus is supposed to be mountable read-write
18:32<sander>pipe, mount -v -t hfsplus -o rw /dev/sdf2 /mnt gives: /dev/sdf2 on /mnt type hfsplus (rw)
18:32<sander>touch /mnt/test gives: touch: cannot touch «/mnt/test»: Read-only file system
18:33<pipe>what does cat /etc/mtab say?
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18:33<pipe>(not the whole file, obviously)
18:33<sander>pipe, /dev/sdf2 /mnt hfsplus rw 0 0
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18:34<pipe>Sure it's not a cd-rom? ;)
18:34<sander>pipe, its a western digital hardrive on 1TB :-p
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18:34<sander>pipe, here someone seems to found a solution.. but I can't get it to work:
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18:36<pipe>sander: did you try the -o force then? It seems like the only relevant option.
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18:37<sander>pipe, yes.. all I get in dmesg is: [4152742.163960] hfs: Filesystem was not cleanly unmounted, running fsck.hfsplus is recommended. mounting read-only.
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18:38<sander>pipe, get that with force and not.
18:38<pipe>Have you tried installing the hfs tools and executed "fsck.hfsplus -f /dev/sdaX"?
18:38<pipe>There's someone mentioning that in the comments
18:38<sander>pipe, no.. I should do it :-)
18:39<sander>pipe, cool :-)
18:39<sander>thanks :-)
18:40<pipe>Thanks for what, I read the URL you provided and wrote what it said. :P
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18:44<sander>pipe, hehe :-)
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18:50<Lantizia>Hey if I have to put a password on the command line... is the bash history all I have to worry about in terms of preventing it from being saved to disk as plain text?
18:52<pipe>At least you have to worry about paging
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18:53<pipe>And of course in theory you have to worry about some rogue process without root access monitoring the output of "ps"
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18:53<pipe>but normally, I think bash history and swap should be relevant
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19:09<Moleboy>Hey guys
19:09<Moleboy>Anyone around?
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19:09<pipe>Moleboy: probably
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19:10<Moleboy>I'd like a little bit of aid...
19:11<Moleboy>I've splashed around in a few distros for a while, nothing too serious, but I am deciding a distro to take seriously...what makes Debian so great?
19:11<amphi>!why debian
19:11<dpkg>Debian strives to maintain your freedom whilst also paying close attention to the technical aspects of making a great OS. Debian is stable, upgradable and well tested. See also (archived at . As an added bonus, you get to ask questions in #debian.
19:11<pipe>The ideology, the installed userbase, the commitment to being stable
19:12<pipe>It also runs anywhere, which may or may not be useful for you
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19:12<pipe>But it's nice to know that I can run debian on my cellphone, my old g3 powerbook, and my quad-core server :)
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19:13<Moleboy>oh wow, talk about that
19:13<amphi>pipe: verily - what phone, BTW?
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19:13<pipe>amphi: Neo Freerunner (it sucks)
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19:13<Moleboy>Ok, one more question--I have no idea what my CPU architecture is...
19:13<pipe>Moleboy: Ok, give some details
19:13<Moleboy>I have a Q9450 @ 3.6ghz, (Quad core, Intel Core 2 Quad series)
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19:13<Moleboy>OC'd it a tad
19:13<pipe>Moleboy: amd64
19:14<Moleboy>I know all about my hardware, but
19:14<Moleboy>thanks, preciate it
19:14<pipe>Having amd in the name for an intel CPU is stupid but that's where we are :P
19:14<Moleboy>is it possible to get Gnome, or some other desktop enviroment than KDE?
19:14<Moleboy>I'm not a big...KDE fan
19:14<pipe>Gnome is the default, right?
19:15<amphi>I believe so
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19:15<Moleboy>coulda sworn it was KDE
19:15<Moleboy>I stand corrected :-)
19:15<pipe>You can use KDE, XFCE and LXDE from the default install IIRC
19:15<dondelelcaro>pipe: if you don't use the kde cd, yes
19:15<amphi>Moleboy: but you can dispense with a DE altogether
19:15<pipe>Moleboy: I often use LXDE, it's very slimline but still useable
19:15<dondelelcaro>you can install anything from the installer that you want, though... so pick whatever you want
19:15<Moleboy>ah, thanks dondel
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19:16<pipe>Moleboy: Don't be fooled by the supposed "lightweightness" of XFCE, it's become more bloated than Gnome IMHO :P
19:16<Moleboy>stuff changes over time
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19:16<amphi>like firefox is a 'lightweight browser'
19:16<pipe>Then of course, with a quadcore you can afford bloat.
19:16<Moleboy>I'm a hardware freak
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19:17<pipe>Me too, meaning that I have a lot of old hardware that doesn't run Gnome very well.
19:17*amphi wonders if Moleboy would like to do some povray renders for him
19:17<amphi>pipe: you too are part of the deschutes mafia? ;)
19:17*Moleboy agrees, but would like to be paid in Benjamins, and up front for the work.
19:17*pipe have two quad-core intels not doing much and have used povray for 10-15 years
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19:25<Moleboy>Hey guys
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19:25<Moleboy>I'm trying to torrent debian, I'm at
19:25<Moleboy>wait a minute...nevermind
19:25<pipe>No, I can't wait!
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19:26<Moleboy>I am there
19:26<amphi>why not use the netinstall iso?
19:26<pipe>Protip: Just get the netinstall
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19:26<pipe>It's much nicer
19:26<Moleboy>I'm unfamiliar with it, but ok, I'll give it a shot :-)
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19:39<Moleboy>do I boot from one of these internet things?
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19:41<dpkg>The Debian Installation Guide for Lenny (5.0.6) can be found at . See also <errata> and <installer firmware>.
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19:42<CyberDog>when squeeze became stable
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19:47<pipe>Moleboy: Yeah, boot from the netinstall iso.
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20:52<gpm>hi all. i got no sound, using pulseaudio, it was working a couple days ago. any obvious things i should check?
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20:55<dpkg>PulseAudio (formerly Polypaudio) is a cross-platform network sound server, intended as a drop-in replacement for <ESD>. Packaged for Debian since Etch, read /usr/share/doc/pulseaudio/README.Debian after installation for configuration recommendations. #pulseaudio on
20:55<pipe>I had a script that I called
20:55<pipe>It's now
20:56<pipe>And I haven't had to use it for many months, so it's probably not related :)
20:56<gpm>yeah i tried restarting using the script in /etc/init.d
20:56<gpm>but :(
20:56<pipe>This had to do more stuff, reset alsa etc.
20:56<gpm>it's a good idea, but i think it still sucks...
20:56<pipe>It doesn't
20:56<gpm>oh yeah i did that first
20:56<pipe>alsa does ;)
20:56<gpm>oh is that it?
20:57<pipe>everything sucks
20:57<pipe>have you tried rebooting?
20:57<gpm>no, but i suppose it's getting to be that tim
20:57<pipe>dunno, just curious
20:57<gpm>no it's a good thing to try
20:58<pipe>I mean, if it's still dead after a boot then the solution would be different than if it works for a while and then just stops
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21:01<gpm>pipe: hooray for rebooting
21:02<pipe>gpm: Next time, try the short script in here:
21:02<pipe>gpm: Helped me, no idea if it's relevant.
21:03<gpm>oh wait
21:03<gpm>i've found the root of all evil
21:03<gpm>it's chromium
21:03<pipe>women or money?
21:04<pipe>I should really set up pulseaudio to do what it's supposed to do: use my debian HTPC box as a networked sound sink to make all my computers play the sound through there
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21:04<gpm>more precisely
21:04<gpm>it's flash
21:05<gpm>messes stuff up in iw too
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21:06<pipe>Ah, there you have the root of all evil, yes. Flash.
21:07<gpm>flash, on 64-bit
21:07<gpm>it's still a shitshow
21:07<Nemoder>the new flash Squared works somewhat decently on 64bit
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21:09<gpm>Nemoder: oh it works fine, except that it locks the audio, at least with pulse, until you exit the browser (not just until you close the flash thing)
21:09<gpm>i'm glad it's back
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21:13<pipe>gpm: It's nothing stupid like lowering the master volume oslt?
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21:14<pipe>or something like that
21:14<gpm>what is oslt?
21:14<pipe>or something like that
21:14<pipe>it's a great acronym, people should learn it
21:15<gpm>holy crap you're right
21:15<gpm>and the flash wasn't taking over
21:15<gpm>just overpowering
21:15<gpm>you were right on both counts
21:16<gpm>so the root of all evil is still a tie between women and money
21:16<gpm>life is normal again
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21:16<pipe>I plan to aquire a woman with money, pure evil
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21:54<k-man>is 2.6.26-1-amd64 vulnerable to the CVE-2010-3081 exploit?
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21:55<abrotman>k-man: that kernel is out dated .. aptitude install linux-image-amd64
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21:59<k-man>abrotman: oh.. i seem to have a problem, it wants to remove many packages
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21:59<lucaslcx>what is the mater?
21:59<k-man>491 to be exact
21:59<abrotman>k-man: put it in a pastebin
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22:05<abrotman>k-man: when is the last time you did a full-upgrade ?
22:05<k-man>abrotman: many moons ago
22:05<abrotman>apparently you'r erunning squeeze with a pile of lenny packages .. this is bad
22:05<abrotman>this is why mixing is bad
22:05<k-man>abrotman: ah... yes, that could be the problem
22:06<abrotman>you can't run lenny and squeeze .. pick one
22:06<k-man>abrotman: my uptime is 354 days - so at least i have not installed a new kernel since then
22:06<k-man>wrt upgrade of other packages, i can't remember when that might have been
22:07<abrotman>who the fuck cares about uptime .. tht's just dumb
22:07<k-man>abrotman: i don't care about it - just pointing out how long since i upgraded the kernel
22:07<lucaslcx>You don't need to upgrade kernel to resolv this matter
22:07<abrotman>lucaslcx: yes, he does
22:08<lucaslcx>you only need to upgrade your system
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22:08<abrotman>his kernel has far more security issues than just the one he referenced
22:08<abrotman>but you missed the original question
22:08<lucaslcx>I didn't see the original question
22:09<abrotman>i said that
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22:09<lucaslcx>He needs to upgrade him sysem, don't he?
22:09<k-man>abrotman: i think what happened was i moved towards squeeze but maybe never did a full dist-upgrade
22:10<abrotman>that was silly .. good luck!
22:10<abrotman>!tell k-man about lenny->squeeze
22:10<lucaslcx>yes, I guess it's too
22:10<k-man>abrotman: abrotman all referenes to lenny are commented out in sources.list
22:10<lucaslcx>yes, you can to get more links for this archive
22:11<lucaslcx>I put some repositories fron squeese at my Debian Lenny
22:11<lucaslcx>the principal change at system I saw was udev
22:12<abrotman>k-man: but you still have to complete the update
22:12<k-man>abrotman: ok, thanks for the pointers
22:13<lucaslcx>you can do this comand "apt-get dist-upgrade"
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22:14<lucaslcx>this will upgrade your distribution, but you can use apt-get upgrade, this depends of situation
22:14<k-man>abrotman: so you think i should just accept the removals that aptitude wants to do to install the new kernel, then reinstall those packages after rebooting the new kernel?
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22:16<lucaslcx>what the kernel have with to upgrade the distro?
22:16<abrotman>k-man: you should also be using aptitude
22:17<lucaslcx>he needs to change him repository
22:17<lucaslcx>for the repository of squeese
22:17<abrotman>he already did
22:17*abrotman gives up and lets lucaslcx say random stuff .. have fun
22:18<k-man>abrotman: i am using aptitude
22:19<lucaslcx>oh man, I am trying to help, and you talk this
22:19<qq->lucaslcx, calm dawn
22:19<lucaslcx>I intalled the lenny at my pc
22:19<lucaslcx>and now I am using squeese
22:20<lucaslcx>I tryed to speak....but...
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22:22<abrotman>k-man: you're going to have problems .. you have to upgrade your system, but ideally sohuld install the kernel first, problem is you're halfway there
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22:23<k-man>ok, thanks abrotman
22:24<abrotman>k-man: if you full-upgrade, it will try to upgrade udev, which will fail ..
22:24<k-man>i'll have to do it over night as people are using the system currently
22:24<abrotman>it's a server?
22:24<k-man>its my mail server
22:25<k-man>i can tell you are horrified
22:26<abrotman>for about a million reasons
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22:26<abrotman>squeeze has no security support
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22:29<k-man>i used to run stable - but i found often packages i wanted were too out of date, that led me to trying to mix stable with testing, which got me into this mess - now i'm moving to testing, but testing will eventually become stable
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22:29<gdb>k-man: I've found using /opt for those sorts of packages makes life easier. ;-)
22:30<k-man>with hindsight i might have done things differently, but thats the situation i'm in now
22:30<k-man>gdb: oh yeah? as in you install those packages from source in /opt?
22:30<gdb>k-man: Also, have you looked into backports?
22:31<gdb>k-man: Yes, but only Firefox,, and a couple of other things.
22:31<gdb>k-man: Backports may be what you're looking for to keep some of your system a bit more up to date.
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22:32<abrotman>k-man: that is a horrible idea .. you can backport packages to do that
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23:00<k-man>abrotman: ok, thanks
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23:09<heffay>if hard disk space wasn't an issue, would installing a 64bit system with a 32bit desktop environment be a dumb idea?
23:09<heffay>the desktop would be in a chroot
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23:26<blarson>heffay: That used to be recomended practice for many 32-bit only applications, so it would work fine.
23:26<heffay>i feel like a 64bit kernel is more optimized
23:27<heffay>but if im using 32bit apps 99% of the time, who cares right?
23:27<heffay>i only have 2GB of ram
23:27<blarson>heffay: You can use an amd64 kernel on i386.
23:27<heffay>how is that?
23:28<heffay>oh i see
23:28<heffay>just the kenels
23:28<heffay>kernel, not the libraries and such
23:28<heffay>libs will still be 32bit
23:29<r0ger>what is the benefit of using a 64bit kernel with all 32bit libs etc?
23:29<heffay>probably nothing right?
23:29<heffay>double the cpu registers
23:29<heffay>but would that even make a difference?
23:30<r0ger>i have no idea
23:30<heffay>blarson: is it just a matter of install i386 system and downloading and booting from a amd64 kernel?
23:31<heffay>that seems easy to play with
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23:32<r0ger>i still don't see why that would offer any improvement over just running a 32bit kernel
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23:32<r0ger>unless maybe it allowed for larger amounts of ram
23:32<r0ger>but you can run bigmem kernels for that
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23:33<blarson>heffay: The amd64 kernels are in the i386 archive. So just install the package and reboot.
23:35<blarson>,versions linux-image-2.6-amd64
23:35<judd>Package linux-image-2.6-amd64 on i386 -- etch: 2.6.18+6etch3; etch-security: 2.6.18+6etch3; etch-backports: 2.6.26+17~bpo40+2; lenny: 2.6.26+17+lenny1; lenny-backports: 2.6.32+27~bpo50+1; sid: 2.6.32+28; squeeze: 2.6.32+28
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23:51<foxe>SB750 chip. dmraid -ay gives me "ERROR: pdc: zero sectors on /dev/sda" the offset for the raid is 63, which is already in the offsets. my google foo has failed me, so what can I do?
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