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---Logopened Tue Sep 21 00:00:00 2010
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00:07<mythion>can anyone help me install the latest version of LIRC
00:09<qq->on lenny ?
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01:20<dundee>Hello out there.... I am new to debian but I just cannot get my mic to work
01:21<dundee>Everything else works
01:21<dundee>My Laptop is a Dell Studio
01:21<dundee>Help please
01:21<dundee>I need to use Skype
01:23<MrFrood>dundee: have you opened a mixer to check it?
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01:25<dundee_>Thanks for responding: Yes I have opened the mixer
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01:25<dundee_>I enabled the mic under recording thinking that would work
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01:26<dundee_>still cannot use microphone
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01:27<MrFrood>dis you also check the level (no point having it enabled if the level is set to zero)
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01:28<dundee_>yep checked the level ...brought it all the way up
01:29<MrFrood>so it should distort nicely when you get it working
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01:30<dundee_>checked with audacity and sound recorder and still no sound
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01:33<MrFrood>got say this is really not my thing so all I can suggest is the few basic checks of the obvious that we have already done.
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01:34<MrFrood>perhaps you should check the debian wiki
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01:35<MrFrood>or pop back later when it's a bit more active
01:36<dundee_>ok. I will try and see if there is a solution on the wiki.
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01:36<dundee_>I will just come back if I can't get it to work
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01:38<dpkg>ALSA is the Advanced Linux Sound Architecture, a project providing device drivers for sound cards. To install, ask me about <install alsa>. See also <alsa-checklist>, <alsa firmware>, <alsa versions>, <alsaconf>. #alsa on
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01:39*MrFrood luvs factoids
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03:50<EmleyMoor>Is there a typical time, assuming average DSL connectivity, for a lenny -> squeeze upgrade?
03:52<EmleyMoor>(for a desktop system)
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03:55<EmleyMoor>Also, will such upgrade put active NFS connections "at risk"?
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03:59<jpinx-eeepc>EmleyMoor: it depends on what you have installed, it's an impossible question
03:59<jpinx-eeepc>average DSL connectivity depends on what country you're in
03:59<EmleyMoor>jpinx-eeepc: Hmmm... fair enough.
03:59<jpinx-eeepc>EmleyMoor: depends on what mirrors you use
03:59<jpinx-eeepc>too many vaariables ;)
04:00*EmleyMoor will try to take a day off on Friday now they are asking him to work Saturday night
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04:34<edgar>anybody want to hang out in #Absurdistan? Sorry, I know this is offtopic, I hope its not forbidden on this channel, but I am currently hanging out in the other one.
04:35<edgar>and I am a Debian user, so my mere existence is not offtopic
04:35<edgar>I think
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05:03<stinkyfax>hello everyone
05:04<stinkyfax>I am not very good in linux. I've got gamesrver which auto restarts on crash, though I try to shutdown it and I can't. tried "kill processID" - it just restarts
05:04<stinkyfax>if somebody knows gameserver is SRCDS (source dedicated server)
05:04<smhar>how to kill a logged-in user from the command line?
05:04<petemc>slay user, or kill their shell
05:05<smhar>I tried killall -u user and the user is killed, but I can not log to it again
05:05<jww_>smhar: ps aux to locate his shell's pid, then kill it.
05:06<stinkyfax>does anybody know how can i sort out this issue
05:06<EmleyMoor>stinkyfax: There must be a keepalive script running it...
05:07<smhar>jww_, user is running gnome @tty8
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05:09<jww_>smhar: what do you want to do ? just log him out ? or prevent him to log again too ?
05:09<jww_>umm brb.
05:10<stinkyfax>EmleyMoor: so how do I stop the script?
05:11<EmleyMoor>Find it like any other process and kill it - that should work
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05:16<stinkyfax>okey dokey, thanks. will analyze it
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05:31<edgar>stinkyfax, do you know how to use ps?
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05:35<edgar>oh, and btw, if you try kill, and it fails, you can always do 'kill -9', be warned though, that this forces a program to quit in a rude manner, which can force the program to leave stuff inconsistent
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05:35<edgar>this is not just theoretical, its happened to me once before
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05:36<edgar>I trust anyone hear has been warned about the responsability that super cow powers confer
05:36<edgar>sorry, here
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06:08<le0>good morning to all
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06:09<taruti>How does one set the root device with the new grub?
06:09<taruti>It appears to generate a UUID based device in /boot/grub/grub.cfg that is wrong
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06:10<jm_>taruti: did you check stuff in /etc/default?
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06:11<taruti>jm_: there is a /etc/default/grub but no root device there
06:12<le0>i have constate fails in this procediment with this uuid generation too.
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06:13<le0>but i don't try it manualy.
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06:13<jm_>taruti: well then you probably want to figure out why it uses wrong UUID
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06:14<taruti>GRUB_DISABLE_LINUX_UUID=true seems to help
06:14<taruti>then it magically guesses the right root=/dev/md0 from somewhere
06:15<jm_>check /etc/grub.d/10_linux
06:16<le0>or uncorrect "missing" kernel paramerts in compilation, i don't have much knoeledge about linux kernels specific suported ressources needed to aply these new settings.
06:17<le0>excuse for some english digitation in some words.
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06:20<locklace>!confuse le0
06:20<dpkg>No, what was your gouda tomorrow, le0? Shirts of the Republic of Micronesia with extra anchovies.
06:23<le0>but the proccess on use during the bootstrap with one virtual drive compacted and uncompacted in ram remenber one similar proccess i think have made when i only use my 486 and old "dos"
06:24<le0>during these passed time i don't use access to internet, the internet is more new to me!
06:24<le0>gouda is one excelent cheese dpkg... u like too?
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06:32<le0>locklace: little confuse but learning to understand, and accepting new concepts to see the "life".
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06:55<f8l>Why is that channel so popular for testing?
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07:01<bremner>I speculate because several derivitive distros still ship it as the default for xchat
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07:36<alephnull>How do I make dh_auto_install tell dh_shlibdeps to --ignore-missing-info ?
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07:39<bremner>alephnull: I suppose you want #debian-mentors. In any case, you don't really tell dh_auto_install anything afaict; you either use it or override it
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07:50<alephnull>Thanks bremner. I just had to override dh_shlibdeps
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07:57<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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08:21<zeev>Hi, I try to install gtkextramm but I get following error while running ./configure : . How can I fix it?
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08:24<zeev>what is ltconfig? It seems I don't have it?...
08:24<zeev>is it part of libtool?
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08:38<moa>Is there anyone here?
08:38<pipe>why do you ask?
08:38<moa>because i'm not used to chating by irc and i didn't see people talking so...
08:39<moa>i wondered if I miss something in the config...
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08:39<jesuselifelet>my inglish is bad
08:39<jesuselifelet>how install adept in spanish?
08:40<moa>I'm kind of new to debian and I have a little problem in downloading new package from Kpackage: it doesn't search nor find any new package from the web...
08:41<jm_>jesuselifelet: try setting locale to spanish
08:42<dpkg>i guess locale is a set of rules for presenting information to humans according to local conventions (date format, thousands separators, language, etc.). See and for more info. <locales>
08:43<jm_>/msg dpkg locales to get the command to do it
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08:48<dpkg>Use `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates locale definitions and also edits /etc/default/locale which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. Use "LANG=C command" to change the output language for a one off command; ask me about <localised errors>.
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08:48<pipe>moa: Can't help you there, I've never really used KDE
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08:49<moa>never mind
08:49<pipe>moa: But I'm not sure I understand what you mean
08:49<gord>moa: nor me either, just to let you know there are a few people reading this
08:49<moa>well the package content always refers to the installation CD
08:49<pipe>moa: Ahh
08:49<bremner>!tell moa -about sources.list
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08:50<pipe>moa: KPackage probably have a way to add sources
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08:50<pipe>moa: Probably in "Settings", but I only have a screenshot to look at :)
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09:39<f8ld>Has anyone notticed recently that debdeltas are missing from mirrors?
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09:41<lluvia>I am building a non-official deb with dh and I'd like to set the tree in a site different to /usr/
09:41<lluvia>is there an easy way to do it?
09:42<lluvia>(without override all the debian/rules)
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09:54<blarson>lluvia: I think #debian-mentors would be a more appropriate place for debhelper questions.
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09:54<lluvia>blarson: thanks, it is a very good idea
09:55*blarson 's debhelper skills are rusty
09:56<lluvia>of mine too
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10:17<detly>is there a way to resize an LVMed system *without* creating a live or rescue image?
10:18<kabi>detly: lvresize ?
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10:22<detly>can I do that on a mounted volume though?
10:22<detly>sorry, ^ kabi
10:23<the-dude>detly: depends on your filesystem
10:23<kabi>detly: well if you have supported filesystem which support online resize - then yes
10:23<kabi>detly: though keeping a backup is always very smart idea in this case....
10:24<detly>only if you don't like cheap thrills
10:25<kabi>detly: (check -r option for lvresize)
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10:25<detly>you mean the filesystem of the mapper partition, right? how do I check whether my system supports live resizing?
10:25<detly>oh, right
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10:30<kabi>detly: you will notice if you have unsupported one
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10:31<pipe>detly: If you want to enlarge it, it's easy
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10:34<detly>well, I was only looking at the man page, not the --help output, so I wouldn't have known there was a "-r" switch
10:34<detly>it's making a little more sense now
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10:36<pipe>I always do the steps manually, first lvresize then resize2fs
10:36<kabi>pipe: which is obviously wrong when you are downsizing
10:36<pipe>yes, which is why I mentioned enlarge
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10:37<kabi>pipe: but I'd prefer reporting bug in this case ;) (being somewhat more interested in this area myself ;))
10:38<kabi>pipe: (bugs when lvresize -r fails I mean)
10:39<detly>well, I'm enlarging /usr at the expense of /home (or maybe /var)
10:39<kabi>detly: hmm - downsizing usually requires unmounted fs
10:41<detly>I suspected as much... although I wonder if it's possible in a single-user boot
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10:43<kabi>detly: shrinking online is hard
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10:44<kabi>detly: remapping pages for running application.... it's really hard...
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10:45<detly>well, I'm more than happy to make a live usb, I just thought I'd check to see if there's an easier way
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10:46<jeronimus>can I do damage if I do grub-install "(hd0)" with the wrong while I should have been hd1 for instance?
10:47<jeronimus>or can i do grub-install "(hd?)" for any hd? if I'm not sure which one is used to boot?
10:47<kop>jeronimus: You only do damage if there's another boot loader installed on that drive that you want to keep.
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10:47<kop>jeronimus: The bios says which drive is use to boot.
10:48<jeronimus>kop: I though so, just wanted to check.
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10:48<kop>jeronimus: There's already space reserved on every drive and every partition for a boot loader. Writing there does not hurt.
10:48<jeronimus>kop: can I check the bios settings at runtime? or do i need to reboot and go into bios settings mode to find out?
10:49<kop>jeronimus: That's a good question.... dmidecode would probably be the tool to use. I suspect that you need to actually go into the bios user interface on reboot. Bios sucks.
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10:51<kop>jeronimus: Note that if you've raid1-ed your /boot then it's useful to write the bootloader to both drives so that if one fails the other has a bootloader installed. (Best to test before failure.)
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12:06<moa>I have a question about mounting disk (ntfs and FAT32) with konqueror: is there any solution to make it?
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12:06<jpinx-eeepc>moa: what's the command you are using and the error you get-?
12:07<moa>I can mount a FAT32 with the mount command in root mode but I wanted to have the disks auto-mount...
12:07<moa>For example i try to right click then "moun" with konqueror
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12:07<moa>if I launched it with su the devices aren't showed...
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12:08<jpinx-eeepc>moa: I have no idea in a gui but for vfat filesystems you need an option -o uid=1000 or similar
12:08<jpinx-eeepc>and for ntfs you need something like ntfs-3g
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12:09<moa>got ntfs-3g
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12:10<stinkyfax>hi all
12:10<jpinx-eeepc>moa: same option in ntfs-3g to make sure the appropriate user has write ability
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12:11<moa>which option?
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12:12<stinkyfax>How do I make my gameserver logs not be as root + write protected?
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12:12<stinkyfax>I want ftp authorized users being able to delete logs
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12:12<moa>the problem is that I can mount in a terminal but nothing in the GUI
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12:13<jpinx-eeepc>moa: the option I told you
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12:14<moa>what -o uid=1000 do?
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12:16<moa>it works
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12:17<pipe>uid=1000 should make all files belong to you
12:17<moa>oh ok i see it
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12:19<moa>but I will have to do this each time I want to access the disk, right? Is there any way to avoid a batch file?
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12:20<edbian>I understand that anybody can take the linux kernel code and make changes to it. How is it that the kernel doesn't fork in 100 different directions? Is there some central authority on what changes make it into the kernel and what changes don't?
12:20<jhutchins_lt>edbian: Essentially, and mostly it's still Linus Torvalds that decides.
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12:21<edbian>jhutchins_lt, So Linus is the central authority? What happens when he dies / stops doing it?
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12:21<jhutchins_lt>THere are other members of the team.
12:21<cahoot> God takes over
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12:22<jhutchins_lt>edbian: Essentially it's popularity and acceptance of authority. If people think you're doing it right, they're going to support and follow you. If you make bad decisions, someone else with a better idea will get the followers.
12:22<jhutchins_lt>edbian: It doesn't work perfectly, but it works.
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12:23<stinkyfax>how can I change my gameserver making log files from root rw-r-r to rw-rw-rw automatically?
12:23<jhutchins_lt>Case inpoint: Mandrake/Mandriva had a good product and a good following. Then they started making bad decisions and releasing bad code. They have crashed, burned, and forked.
12:23<jhutchins_lt>stinkyfax: Why do you want to do that?
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12:24<stinkyfax>i can't let my admin group from ftp remove old logs
12:24<stinkyfax>we are debugging new mod and old logs make it hard to read debug messages
12:24<edbian>jhutchins_lt, People have different idea of what is good and bad. Is it basically majority rules and the people that maintain the website present the most popular kernel?
12:24<jhutchins_lt>stinkyfax: Read up on sudo.
12:25<jhutchins_lt>edbian: This is really not on-topic for this channel, which is supposed to be debian support.
12:25<edbian>I am beginning to accept the idea that there are probably dozens of kernels floating around right now all of which are the "best" in someone's opinion.
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12:25<edbian>jhutchins_lt, Ok
12:25<stinkyfax>i've tried to put "su ftpuser" before server launch command in startup script, it still launches as root
12:25<edbian>jhutchins_lt, Thanks for the help up to this point.
12:25<stinkyfax>what have I done wrong there?
12:25<jhutchins_lt>stinkyfax: Read up on sudo.
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12:26<jhutchins_lt>edbian: Check out that faq. Essentially you're right.
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12:26<ikey>he quit :S
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12:26<stinkyfax>ok, will I get the answer in 'man sudo'? :)
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12:27<ikey>You'll find plenty answers in there stinkyfax.
12:28<dpkg>[sudo] (Substitute User DO) Not enabled by default on Debian systems; configure /etc/sudoers first, ask me about <visudo>, <sudoers>. sudo can give limited super user privileges to specific users, or allow you to do silly things like run X apps with root perms, or good in scripts with "username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program".
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12:30<locklace>i hope that "good in scripts" bit was meant to be ironic
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12:33<c0sgrove>Hi! what i need to send mail with the comando echo "teste" | mail -s ......
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12:34<ikey>test or teste? .. nvm.
12:34<dpkg>from memory, nullmailer is a minimal <MTA> for hosts which just sends directly to smart relays, packaged for Debian. Does not support /etc/aliases; define a catch-all alias in /etc/nullmailer/adminaddr instead, see adminaddr(5). See also <ssmtp>.
12:34<llutz>c0sgrove: ^^
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12:35<llutz>c0sgrove: or for local delivery of mails a "real" mta like exim4, postfix
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12:35<c0sgrove>llutz for example: echo $HOSTNAME - Test | mail -s "[Hi] "
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12:36<c0sgrove>llutz: only apt-get instal postfix it works?
12:36<llutz>c0sgrove: msmtp/ssmtp should be fine i
12:36<stinkyfax>sudo explains how users can run operations as roots, but it doens't say anything how I can let my ftp users remove files (ftp users don't have ssh access)
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12:37<mAniAk->stinkyfax: i dont see how sudo goes into the picture here
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12:38<stinkyfax>I was adviced to go to sudo manual to find the answer to my issue
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12:39<stinkyfax>my server creates logs as root with rw-r-r, I need ftp users being able to remove logs. is there anything better than cronjob each 10 sec with chmod command?
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12:40<pipe>tell your server not to create logs as root?
12:40<pipe>create logs with a specific group, rw-rw-r--, add users to log group
12:41<stinkyfax>server is closed source, I don't know how to tell him that
12:42<stinkyfax>maybe you do? :)
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12:43<stinkyfax>pipe: how can I tell server make it rw-rw-?
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12:44<pipe>Well if it's closed source, why do you ask here?
12:44<pipe>What part is running debian?
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12:44<pipe>And what is "server"?
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12:45<ikey>Surely if its closed source the developers provide sufficient documentation, otherwise one has to wonder what prompted you into using a non-supported closed-source "solution"
12:45<supplicant>ikey: managers
12:46<ikey>..thats actually a good answer
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12:46*ikey shuddups
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12:46<stinkyfax>debian is running launcher script, server is SRCDS (source dedicated server) - half-life2 engine
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12:47<pipe>I doubt you're supposed to run that server as root in the first place though
12:47<pipe>A good server should log to syslog using the standard interfaces that's been in place for decades
12:48<stinkyfax>I can't judge whether it's good or bad, but logs are goign into server_path/log folder
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12:48<pipe>If it doesn't, then I suppose one option would be to change the users with a loop script
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12:49<stinkyfax>and I tried running it as ftpuser adding "su ftpuser" in script before launch command
12:49<pipe>while you're changing the user, you could also compress them.
12:49<stinkyfax>for some reason it still launches as root
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12:50<pipe>stinkyfax: That's probably because "su ftpuser" fails becuase ftpuser doesn't have a default shell etc
12:50<stinkyfax>I see, so I need to add a cronjob with something like chown -R ..path/log
12:50<pipe>You could add a cronjob yes, the fastest cron can do is once/minute
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12:55<tuvwx>this is going to murder ubuntu:
12:56*ikey looks
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12:59<pipe>What was mint before debian?
12:59<ikey>Ubuntu based.
12:59<pipe>Hum ok
12:59<ikey>The Ubuntu-based Mints will still continue, LMDE is a separate edition
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12:59<pipe>So I can't see how it will murder ubuntu
13:00<ikey>Me either.. we never set out with that intention either
13:00<ikey>er. heh.
13:00<pipe>People won't switch from Ubuntu to Mint just because they changed sources.list ;p
13:00<pipe>anyway, now walk the dog ->
13:00<ikey>mAniAk-: im a mint dev
13:01<llutz>people change from one to another distro just because it has nicer wallpapers :(
13:01<mAniAk->figured so
13:01<ikey>llutz: hope not :/
13:01<ikey>anywho. </offtopic> from me..
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13:02<tuvwx>my personal feeling is that although ubuntu is better suited for the desktop than debian in its current state, it's no where near debian's quality of packages. LMDE is the solution: desktop oriented debian packages - the best of the two worlds; hence the murder
13:02<mAniAk->im hating ubuntu tho
13:03<mAniAk->keeps turning on my laptop screen when i have an external connected and want to use that one only
13:03<tuvwx>i always use debian for my desktops/laptops, but i hesitate to recommend it to first-time linux users
13:04<tuvwx>llutz: you must admit, debian's wallpapers aren't that great
13:04<mAniAk->its at work and it was the only cd lying around
13:04<llutz>tuvwx: i don't care about those things
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13:05<ikey>aesthetics are only a minor sub-detail imo.. im more interested in a system that works first and provides a 1st class experience using a renowned base, *then* the aesthetics can be considered.. again. </offtopic> :)
13:05<tuvwx>llutz: me neigher. but it does affect people's impressions about the distribution. do no underestimate the polish effect
13:06<llutz>tuvwx: and i don't care about "new users" too
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13:06<tuvwx>anyway. i'm excited about LMDE, and hope it fills that gap
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13:07<ikey>tuvwx: with time we'll get there.. I need to bring the installer up to scratch first..
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13:07<tuvwx>btw, i'm having a hard time getting ot the linuxmint blog
13:08<ikey>same, we've gone pretty much overloaded since lmde release..
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13:08<tuvwx>heh.. i'm not the only one getting excited then
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13:11<jhutchins_lt>ikey: It would be really cool if you could persuade the people at Mint NOT to claim that what they're distributing IS Debian - it's not.
13:12<jhutchins_lt>ikey: We're already getting people in the debian channels insisting that we must help them with their Mint problems because the software in question "is Debian".
13:12<ikey>jhutchins: Wasn't aware that had happened :S I thought it was just said it was based on testing and compatible with the debian repos.
13:12<ikey>It wasnt stated its "debian". I'm insistent people use the proper channels
13:12<ikey>We have a dedicated channel on SpotChat for it, and a forum section
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13:12<ikey>I think my statement still exists on Debian forums regarding that
13:13<jhutchins_lt>ikey: The about page sure looks like it's claiming to be debian from my reading.
13:14<ikey>Which page would that be?
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13:15<jhutchins_lt>The page that describes what LMDE is.
13:15<ikey>jhutchins_lt: Might be better if this was took to PM, save keep going offtopic in here.
13:15<jhutchins_lt>That's ok, I've had my say.
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13:15<ikey>or... ok.
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13:16<tuvwx>ikey: when will a 64-bit version be available?
13:16<ikey>tuvwx: #debian-offtopic ? :)
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13:21<qq->mint discussions > /j #mint-lmde
13:22<ikey>qq-: I thought #debian-offtopic would do.. ok.
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13:23<jhutchins_lt>ikey: Better to establish the habit of not talking about Mint in debian channels.
13:24<ikey>Wasn't me who started the convo :)
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13:25<jhutchins_lt>True, but an opportunity to do the right thing nonetheless.
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13:30<Guest311>que es debian?
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13:31<Guest311>knoppix ?
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13:36<bremner>!tell Guest311 -about knoppix
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13:39<Guest314>podrian ayudarme a ser usuario avanzado de knoppix no tengo ni nivel basico por favor
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13:39<bremner>!tell Guest314 -about es
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14:01<Brian_R>Anyone active happen to be running sid with the hexer package installed (or willing to install it)?
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14:04<bremner>version is the same in squeeze, fwiw
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14:06<Brian_R>Yeah, it is.
14:06<bremner>Brian_R: no time now, but ping me later (3 or 4 hours) if you still need help.
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14:10<EmleyMoor>Why, when I choose an appropriate keyboard layout via kbd-config, does it not survive a reboot?
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14:11<Brian_R>EmleyMoor, doesn't answer your question, but from kbd-config(8): kbd-config is a wrapper script around dpkg-reconfigure console-data.
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14:12<EmleyMoor>Yes... aware of that...
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14:14<Brian_R>What system are you running?
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14:15<EmleyMoor>amd64 - effect seen in squeeze and sid. In lenny, I had to make the layout myself
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14:17<tr>hey, i need some help
14:18<EmleyMoor>tr: Just ask
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14:38<Brian_R>bremner, thanks for the offer of assistance, but another squeeze user tested it for me; the bug I was looking for help with version-pinning was lenny-only (597646)
14:38<bremner>Brian_R: ok
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14:46<EmleyMoor>nobody what?
14:47<c0sgrove>know reply my question,
14:48<c0sgrove>So, I was configure an VPN PPTP in my pfSense with server address with temove adress range and i make an configuration on users, i was set IPs, user1 =, user2=; when i login on VPN my log file says: login,pptpd0,,user1. great! when i logout on VPN logout,pptpd0,, it's not great! ;/ because don't show the user that logout how can i made it?
14:48<c0sgrove>for example: logout,pptpd0,,user1 please!
14:48<EmleyMoor>Not my thing...
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14:59<foxxer>who here is a hacker?
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15:03<pipe>My name is Anderson, just like Neo!
15:03<pipe>Ok actually Andersson with two s
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15:14<ashish>need some help regarding code igniter
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15:14<ashish>can someone help me
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15:16<neglesaks>any suggestions for deleting troublesome files and directories, even when im the owner of said directories, and "apply these permissions to all" seems to do nothing?
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15:16<jordanm>neglesaks: what error do you get? is the sticky bit set on the directory?
15:16<neglesaks>just a sec jordanm
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15:17<pipe>neglesaks: My suggestion is to do it in a terminal
15:17<neglesaks>yeah, next attempt is rm ...
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15:36<peter_>thank you for the suggestions. i managed to nuke the folder. god bless rm
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15:41<neglesaks>thanks for the suggestions.
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15:42<dupondje>I have a small issue. When I reboot my main node, virtual servers doesn't start: Sep 21 21:28:51 cloud libvirtd: 21:28:51.046: error : qemudReadLogOutput:2118 : internal error Process exited while reading console log output: char device redirected to /dev/pts/1#012could not open /dev/net/tun: Permission denied#012
15:42<dupondje>when its booted completely, I just restart libvirt-bin, and they start without issues ... any idea ?
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15:49<edgar>Mint is verbotten in #debian?
15:49<edgar>why, what is it based on?
15:50<kop>!based on debian
15:50<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't know what changes were made by your distribution and it probably falls short of Debian's standards. #debian only supports Debian; you should respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent.
15:50<edgar>ok, I'm neither supporting that nor otherwise, I
15:51<edgar>I'm merely asking
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15:51<edgar>I thought maybe it was inapropriate for being based on fedora
15:52<kop>edgar: Nah. We have a topic.
15:52<edgar>anyway, I fully support debian, I even went to the last debconf, and have been running only debian in both my personal machines and server
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15:53<dupondje>edgar: mint is baed on ubuntu
15:53<dupondje>ubuntu on debian
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15:55<edgar>no prob
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15:55<jhutchins_lt>There's a new version based on squeeze directly instead of ubuntu, but it's still not debian.
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15:56<jhutchins_lt>Not sure to what extent using debian configuration or installing debian packages can harm their system.
15:56<edgar>ahh, well, there's an interesting question, is the 'being based on relation' transitive?
15:56<jordanm>!based on debian
15:56<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't know what changes were made by your distribution and it probably falls short of Debian's standards. #debian only supports Debian; you should respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent.
15:56<edgar>I might say yes, but others might not
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15:56<edgar>ohh, I understand what is and isn't debian
15:57<ikey>edgar: If its not Debian from the Debian guys then its not supported in here. simples :)
15:57<jhutchins_lt>edgar: Not sure what you mean by "transitive".
15:57<edgar>anyway, as I said, dpkg, my distro is debian, that's why I'm here, I'm not connected with Mint
15:58<edgar>transitive := a relation such that 'a is related to b' and 'b is related to c' imply that 'a is related to c'
15:58<pipe>dpkg: well, what do you say about that?
15:58<dpkg>i don't know, pipe
15:59<edgar>thx ikey, I get it
15:59<rpetre>edgar, pipe: dpkg is a bot :)
15:59<pipe>dpkg: are you?
15:59<edgar>ohh, shucks, thats embarrasing
15:59<dpkg>pipe: i haven't a clue
15:59<edgar>thx rpetre
15:59<edgar>so he's just mindlessly enforcing policy
15:59<dpkg>it's spelled cool! get it right!!
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16:00<rpetre>or just repeating stuff that needs repeating often 'round here
16:00<edgar>then... /me is getting up
16:00<edgar>im not a newb at linux or unix
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16:00<edgar>but sometimes i feel like a newb at irc
16:00<edgar>hadnt used it for years
16:01<pipe>I mostly feel a newb at everything
16:01*edgar is getting up
16:01*edgar is going to play a video game with my son
16:01<pipe>"with my son", right
16:01<edgar>be cool everyone, ciao!
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16:01<edgar>his, sorry
16:01<edgar>takes some getting used to
16:02<pipe>I meant.. yeah, convenient excuse for playing videogames
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16:03<_pepo_>Hi friends
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16:05<_pepo_>I was trying to install Squeeze (KDE or LXDE) using the last CD in the server of Debian but those CDs are wrong, because they don't have all the packages
16:05<pipe>Should a CD have all packages?
16:05<pipe>Or do you mean you failed to install because it relied on something that was missing?
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16:07<_pepo_>I mean, that if you try to install using debian-testing-amd64-xfce+lxde-CD-1.iso or debian-testing-amd64-kde-CD-1.iso then you have problems because it don't have all the necesary to be installed
16:07<_pepo_>for example GRUB2
16:07<edgar>that he is pipe, more than an excuse, a constant reminder to play them
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16:08<edgar>hah, Ive installed from the x86, the regular 32 bit version, and its worked like a charm on two old machines
16:09<edgar>maybe the problem is something else
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16:09<edgar>if it lacks grub2 it's probably using legacy, I find it hard to think the installer ships without any version of grub
16:10<edgar>what would it be using, LILO?
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16:10<f8ld>_pepo_: Report that to debian-cd if you are sure it's a bug..
16:10<edgar>that being said, I already heard from a couple of people having probs with grub2,
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16:11<edgar>so if you have a choice, maybe you should try legacy
16:11<_pepo_>i am sure about that... i am going to see the address of debian-cd
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16:11<f8ld>_pepo_: They're testing though – they might not work as the name implies, but it's strange.
16:11<edgar>if its a bug with something as basic as the bootloader, maybe someone else already reported it
16:11<edgar>if not, and you're sure, by all means report it
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16:12<_pepo_>ok, I write now in #debian-cd
16:13<edgar>testing is certainly not meant to be completely without bugs
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16:14<kendall>edgar: I'd venture to guess that they're all "meant" to be without bugs, just do to the nature of testing, it doesn't always work out that way.
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16:16<_pepo_>ok, Maybe "testing" is not without errors but I thing that have to be installable :)
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16:17<mjampala>Is there a known problem with busybox's getty dieing badly
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16:21<jhutchins_lt>_pepo_: Until recently it wasn't, the only way was to install lenny & do a dist-upgrade.
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16:21<jhutchins_lt>_pepo_: It's not meant to be a release yet, it's meant to be an experiment to find wher it goes wrong.
16:22<jhutchins_lt>_pepo_: Also, Debian has something like 30,000 packages available - no, they're not all on a 750M CD.
16:23<jhutchins_lt>_pepo_: Most distros require 2-3 CD's for a full installation these days.
16:23*jhutchins_lt remembers when whole distros _did_ fit on one CD.
16:23<f8ld>_pepo_: Additionally Debian has now problems with space. debian-cd people are trying to make it fit under the size limit.
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16:24<_pepo_>ok, I think that the work of debian is terrific, I say that "now" the CDs of testing have problems because before you could use these only one CD to install the base and then use Internet to install others packages
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16:25*f8ld does not understand _pepo_. :-(
16:26<amphi>_pepo_: there's no netinstall iso ATM?
16:27<kendall>Consider that most CD's are only 700 MB, and then also consider that not all people have easy internet access with the base package selection that might be included on a CD, it makes for some interesting stuff sometimes.
16:27<_pepo_>ok, you can use netinstall but the others CDs maybe need any little package so we have to wait for the next week when appear the new ISOs
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16:28<Dominus>Hi :D
16:28<jhutchins_lt>_pepo_: If you had a specific problem with packages you needed not being on the CD, you should report it so people can be aware of it and fix it.
16:28<Dominus>Where should I install stuff to use it like $ sudo java instead of $ sudo ./../java/bin/java
16:28<_pepo_>I made that in #debian-cd
16:28<Dominus>If what I said even makes sense :o
16:28<f8ld>_pepo_: Is it impossible now to use normal CDs like netinstalls?
16:29<jhutchins_lt>_pepo_: Talking about stuff on irc does not constitute reporting it.
16:29<jhutchins_lt>_pepo_: For the most part we are just fellow users.
16:29<kendall>^ What he said.
16:29<f8ld>Dominus: "sudo java"? Why sudo?
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16:29<_pepo_>ok, you are right (but sometimes people of the project can be here)
16:30<Dominus>f8ld: okay then just $ java (didn't know how to write it correctly) :)
16:30<kendall>Still, the official support and bug tracking channels are there for a reason.
16:30<Dominus>So. How to use it as $ java COMMAND instead of $ ./java/bin/java COMMAND
16:30<kendall>And by "channels" I don't mean IRC.
16:31<f8ld>Dominus: Did you use APT to ge java?
16:31<f8ld>Dominus: s/ge/get/
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16:31<Dominus>f8ld: it's on my vps.. so I don't use any of those package installer thingys
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16:31<Dominus>I just download the package from and install it
16:31<Dominus>or.. run the bin file
16:32<ikey>Which installs to the current directory
16:32<ikey>So if in /opt/ it'll install to /opt/blahblah
16:32<kendall>Which doesn't necessarily mean it's in the system PATH.
16:32<ikey>You need to update the $PATH variable to point to the /bin directory of the Java binaries
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16:32<ikey>Or you coulda just installed sun-java6-jre ..
16:33<f8ld>Dominus: A workaround would be to add java directory to the $PATH, but I don't recommend that.
16:33<ikey>f8ld: Confused as to how a known process is a workaround?
16:33<ikey>Oracle (and Sun before them) distribute JRE/JDK in self-extracting shell-scripts
16:33<f8ld>ikey: Or better openjdk-6-jre.
16:33<Dominus>f8ld: i found out. I can put it in /bin
16:34<ikey>f8ld: Depends on the user. OpenJDK6 isnt up to standard, and wont be till OpenJDK7 (which will be fully on par with Oracle's implementation)
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16:34<Dominus>but.. it can't find the files.. but now I at least know where to put it lol :D
16:34<f8ld>Dominus: Why to do such things by hand?
16:34<ikey>Package manager ftw :P
16:35<Dominus>I don't know how to do it elsehow?
16:35<kendall>sudo apt-get install sun-java6-jre
16:35<Dominus>why the hell didn't I know that command? :D
16:35<ikey>Or: su -c 'apt-get install openjdk-6-jre'
16:36<ikey>Which has got to be the most redundant clueless package name ever..
16:36<Dominus>don't mess with my brain tyvm
16:36<kendall>Depending upon the status of your sudoers file I guess. :)
16:36<ikey>Open Java Development Kit 6 Java Runtime Environment
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16:37<f8ld>ikey: openjdk is a project name and jre is component. What's wrong with that?
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16:38<ikey>You don't see the problem with that?
16:38<ikey>JDK means Java Development Kit
16:38<ikey>Always has done.
16:38<ikey>JRE means Java Runtime Environment, always has done.
16:38<ikey>So OpenJDK-6-JRE is just the worst name ever.
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16:38<ikey>openjdk-6-runtime would make much more sense.
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16:39<jhutchins_lt>They've always made a muck of java, assuming a full development environment as a base condition.
16:40<jhutchins_lt>At times it's been impossible to find a jre except within a jdk.
16:40<ikey>I've never had an issue getting a JRE since before Java 1.3...
16:40<ikey>JDK or not..
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16:41<f8ld>ikey: Or maybe simply call it java? No. Packages name must follow a scheme in order to limit the mess, as there are thousands of them.
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16:42<ikey>f8ld: I'm fully aware of how packaging works, the naming schemes and indeed have more than sufficient knowledge in Java. I'm merely pointing out the name is redundant and useless in terms of Java itself.
16:43<kendall>f8ld: This doesn't appear to be a versioning issue.
16:43<kendall>Or a naming convention issue.
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16:44<ikey>gtg. bbiab
16:44<Dominus>how do I find available packages to install with the apt-get?
16:44<kendall>Just something that seems to make a little less sense than a certain login might dictate.
16:44<ikey>Dominus: apt-cache search somename
16:44<f8ld>ikey: So you mean it has a RAS syndrome? ;-)
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16:44<ikey>f8ld: lol basically..
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16:47<Dominus>blue screen saying "Configuring sun-java6-jdk
16:47<Dominus>Because I did --fix-missing
16:47<dpkg>[debconf] Debian's configuration management system for packages, giving a single interface for asking and storing configuration-related settings for packages. . Not to be confused with the yearly Debian Conference (DebConf):
16:47<Dominus>It says <Ok> in the bottom, but I can't click it ! Enter doesn't work :D
16:47<Dominus>thx :D
16:47<ikey>Its like pacman
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16:47<ikey>Without the graphics
16:47<ikey>..or characters
16:47<ikey>..or noises..
16:47<Dominus>I am completely 100% inlove with Linux!
16:47<Dominus>It's the best operating system in the world ^__^
16:48<ptr>I hope you two have a beautiful future together
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16:49<Dominus>WooT! I love it when text is scrolling across the screen ^___^
16:49<Dominus>I do not like the word Error though
16:49*ikey hands Dominus an iPad with a copy of the bible preloaded
16:49*kendall facepalms
16:49<f8ld>Dominus: That's the reason I still use slow terminal. :-P
16:50<ikey>f8ld: vga=792 =)
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16:50<f8ld>ikey: No. Modesetting.
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16:51<Dominus>Something happened! :o
16:51<Dominus>Could not create the Java virtual machine.
16:51<Dominus>Error occurred during initialization of VM
16:51<Dominus>Could not reserve enough space for object heap
16:51<Dominus>Ignoring error generating classes.jsa
16:51<Dominus>Setting up sun-java6-jre (6-20-0lenny1) ...
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16:51<Dominus>lol, there is a paster bot? :D
16:51<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <>, <wgetpaste>.
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16:51<jordanm>Dominus: are you out of RAM?
16:52<Dominus>jordanm: I... don't hope so?
16:52<ikey>sure? oO
16:52<ikey>"Could not reserve enough space for object heap" not looking too good..
16:52<jordanm>Dominus: free -m
16:53<Dominus>free 853
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16:55<Dominus>ikey - Don't hate me now, but maybe I should close my running jar server thingy before installing java :D
16:55*ikey ponders what a thingy is
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16:57<Dominus>ikey - A thingy = something something... server thingy = a game-server that I'm running
16:57<Dominus>Dominush-for-dummies :D
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16:58<Dominus>aaanyway ...
16:58<Dominus>It's says that sun-java6-jdk is already the newest version..
16:58<Dominus>but it just failed? :S
16:59<Dominus>how do i uninstall something=?
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16:59<kendall>sudo apt-get remove <name>
16:59<Dominus>apt-get remove
16:59<Dominus>thanks ;D
16:59<kendall>sudo apt-get purge <name>
17:00<kendall>If you want to erase every trace of it's existence. :)
17:01<Dominus>okay.. umm. is it possible to get a list over all installed packages?
17:01<Dominus>or is it seriously long+
17:01<kendall>dpkg -l
17:01<dpkg>kendall: i don't know
17:01<f8ld>Dominus: It is. You may want to use aptitude.
17:01<ikey>do: dpkg --get-selections | less
17:01<jordanm>aptitude search ~i
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17:01<ikey>so many ways... :))
17:01<Dominus>okay. it is quite long :D
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17:02<Dominus>anyway - I guess I have removed the sun java6 jdk for good now
17:02<kendall>You can always post the list to a text file by appending " > list" or something like that.
17:02<Dominus>both remove and purge used on it :D
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17:02<stinkyfax>hi everyone. I've got some serious and painful issues with my debian server :(
17:02<Dominus>kendall: how?
17:02<Dominus>explain in baby-terms please :D
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17:02<Lethalman>(yet another way) ls -l /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.list
17:02<kendall>One destination, many roads.
17:02<Dominus>omg. My brain just had a meltdown :D
17:03<stinkyfax>1. to reboot server i need to write "reboot" twice, first time gives a message but doesn't do anything, 2nd doesn't return anything but actually reboots server.
17:03<ikey>telinit 6 :D
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17:03<stinkyfax>2. might be related to 1st: apache2, tomcat, cron do not start when server is loaded, I have to manually start them
17:03<Dominus>QUESTION: Is it possible to perform a command and create a textfile of it? Like.. the 'ls' ocmmand and all other tasks performed?
17:03<rpetre>stinkyfax: you probably need to wait a bit more between 1. and 2.
17:03<lo0m>ls > filename
17:03<jordanm>stinkyfax: 1) what about shutdown -r now? 2) why?
17:03<ikey>Dominus: dpkg --get-selections > myList
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17:03<stinkyfax>i've been waiting 10 minutes, it is nto working like this
17:04<lo0m>ls >> filename to append
17:04<Dominus>awesome :D
17:04<jordanm>Dominus: see the REDIRECTION section of man bash
17:04<petemc>Dominus: theres also a command called script
17:04<kendall>Dominus: To post the output of a command to a text file, you can use > filename. Try this: "dpkg -l > list" and check the current directory.
17:04<stinkyfax>2) I don't know why it is happening, I've tried to re-register them in dkp-init.d - files are there
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17:04<ikey>I thought you was on 3) now.
17:04<stinkyfax>I have to log in to ssh and start them myself
17:04<Dominus>jordanm: okay, thanks I will take a look.
17:05<Dominus>kendall: Okay, i will give it a try :)
17:05<jordanm>stinkyfax: dkp-init.d?
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17:05<stinkyfax>well, the debian command to register files to be launched on start
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17:05<jordanm>stinkyfax: update-rc.d, but its manpage recommends sysv-rc-conf
17:05<jordanm>stinkyfax: what version of debian is this?
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17:06<Dominus>kendall: what da faack :o It's sooooooo long :D
17:06<jordanm>thats your kernel, version, a slight indication of which release your running. what does /etc/debian_version say?
17:06<stinkyfax>what is sysv-rc-conf
17:06<kendall>Dominus: Yep, that's every package installed in your system.
17:06<jordanm>a command for managing run levels
17:07<ikey>ima guess lenny.
17:07<Dominus>kendall: Wow :o It's .. a lot :)
17:07<Dominus>Installing sun-java6-jdk now! :D
17:07<Dominus>again :b
17:07<stinkyfax>sysv-rc-conf is unknown command for me
17:07<jordanm>stinkyfax: your a point release behind. so how you have no idea how you managed to break it?
17:07<dpkg>Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude.
17:07<Dominus>is it supposed to stop right after
17:07<Dominus>Setting up sun-java6-jdk (6-20-0lenny1) ...
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17:08<kendall>I've found that most "functional desktop" Debian and Debian-based systems tend to have at least 900 packages, usually many more than that.
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17:08<Dominus>kendall: that is quite a lot :o
17:08<Dominus>But I guess that's what's needed
17:08<stinkyfax>I did not do anything serious to the server, I don't know why it could be broken
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17:08<Dominus>My question D:
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17:09<jordanm>stinkyfax: paste the output of: sysv-rc-conf --list
17:09<rpetre>is there some tool i can use to browse a list of files inside a .deb package without doing ar x && untar the data.tar.gz ?
17:09<stinkyfax>jordanm: thanks, give me a moment please
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17:09<jordanm>rpetre: dpkg --list-files
17:10<ikey>rpetre: gdebi (gtk) will show you graphically too.
17:10<Dominus>Is it supposed to end installing sun-java6-jdk right after "Setting up sun-java6-jdk (6-20-0lenny1) ..."
17:10<ikey>said it was lenny :P
17:10<rpetre>jordanm: my squeeze dpkg doesn't have that option
17:10<jordanm>rpetre: sorry, remove the extra "-"
17:10<rpetre>it needs it to be installed
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17:11<rpetre>i want to look inside an uninstalled (unofficial) package
17:11<Dominus>ikey: was?
17:11<rpetre>to make sure it doesn't overwrite stuff
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17:11<jordanm>rpetre: oh, right --contents
17:11<stinkyfax>jordanm: <<< sysv-rc-conf --list
17:11<ikey>Dominus: s/was/is/
17:11*ikey throws semantics at Dominus
17:12<jordanm>rpetre: it won't overwrite anything, dpkg will fail to install it if there are file conflicts
17:12<rpetre>jordanm: oh, silly me, it was in the error message :)
17:12*Dominus lols at ikey :D
17:12<Dominus>it says that sun-java6-jdk is up-to-date
17:12<Dominus>now.. what do i do?
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17:12<rpetre>Dominus: run "which java"
17:12<Dominus>it says that the command $ java doesn't exist
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17:13<stinkyfax>jordanm: is there something wrong?
17:13<jordanm>Dominus: update-java-alternatives --config java-6-sun
17:13<rpetre>Dominus: update-alternatives --list java -> does this command list anything ?
17:14<jordanm>Dominus: the jre provides the "java" binary
17:14<Dominus>hold on
17:14<jordanm>but it will also be a symlink, to /etc/alternatives/java
17:14<Dominus>just removed the files -.-
17:14<Dominus>installing it from fresh (also removed the sun-java6-jre)
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17:15<Dominus>olol. it seems right now
17:15<Dominus>hold on
17:15<Dominus>just installed it
17:15<Dominus>i try which java
17:16<Dominus>it says "/usr/bin/java"
17:16<jordanm>!tell Dominus about enter
17:16<stinkyfax>jordanm: mind sparing a minute? ;-)
17:16<ikey>Dominus: its installed. go test it.
17:16<Dominus>jordanm: sorry (:
17:16<jordanm>stinkyfax: no, your links look fine, I don't know what the issue is..
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17:16<Dominus>ikey - I did. It says: -- $ java outputs "bash: /bin/java: No such file or directory"
17:16<jordanm>stinkyfax: is it only those 3 init scripts that fail to start as intended or all of them?
17:17<ikey>Dominus: restart the terminal?
17:17<stinkyfax>maybe other, I don't know
17:17<Dominus>ikey olol :D
17:17<rpetre>is there a broken symlink in /bin/java ?
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17:18<stinkyfax>acpid is running
17:18<rpetre>debian installs the proper symlink in /usr/bin/java
17:18<ikey>yeah bit confused as to why a /bin/java would exist..
17:18<stinkyfax>looks like only few of them, not all
17:18<stinkyfax>can you please explain me the difference between those states? 1,2,3,4,5...S
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17:18<Dominus>well, if i do $ /usr/bin/java - it works... but I sort of did this to be able to do $ java :)
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17:19<f8l>Dominus: `file /bin/java`
17:19<ikey>Dominus: do: file /bin/java
17:19<f8l>ikey: :-)
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17:20<stinkyfax>why I can not see all the services in sysv runlevel config? I have few custom but they are not in the table
17:20<Dominus>$ file /bin/java = /bin/java: ERROR: cannot open `/bin/java' (No such file or directory)
17:20<Dominus>Yeah :/
17:20<ikey>It'd say broken symlink if it was a broken symlink..
17:21<jordanm>stinkyfax: do they have init scripts marked as executable in /etc/init.d?
17:21<f8l>ikey: I was thinking the same.
17:21<Dominus>Can I make a symlink? (is symlink = shortcut?)
17:21<jordanm>Dominus: /usr/bin/java
17:21<Dominus>jordanm: ?
17:21<jordanm>people were saying /bin/java which I am almost certain is wrong
17:21<ikey>f8l: Unless /bin/java is a left-over hard link. which does be a worrying concept.
17:21<Dominus>I am aswell
17:21<Dominus>file /usr/bin/java = /usr/bin/java: symbolic link to `/etc/alternatives/java'
17:22<jordanm>Dominus: /usr/bin/java should be a symlink to /etc/alternatives/java
17:22<f8l>If there was a symlink in /bin it would shadow a link in /usr/bin. Am I right?
17:22<jordanm>yep, thats correct, so whats the problem?
17:22<Dominus>lol, read above :D
17:22<jordanm>f8l: whatever comes first in PATH would be used
17:22<Dominus>jordanm: the problem is, I can't write $ java what-ever-java-commands-here .. I have to write $ /usr/bin/java java-commands-here
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17:22<ikey>ls -l /bin/java
17:22<ikey>@ Dominus
17:22<rpetre>Dominus: rm /bin/java
17:22<jordanm>Dominus: because of a non-debian java install left over?
17:23<ikey>Might just be a broken double-symlink like f8l said.
17:23<Dominus>jordanm: I don't know :/
17:23<ikey>If its useless su -c 'rm /bin/java'
17:23<Dominus>ikey: it says no such file or directory
17:23<Dominus>there is not a java file in /bin
17:23<ikey>So your terminal is being an idiot.
17:23<jordanm>Dominus: hash -r; java
17:24<Dominus>jordanm: what does hash do?
17:24<ikey>(this is why I said restart the terminal. but hash is cool too)
17:24<ikey>Dominus: hash -r makes it forget all remembered locations
17:24<jordanm>your shell remembers the locations of commands by "hashing" them. -r tells it to forget all remembered locations
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17:25<jordanm>this way, it does not need to scan your PATH each time a command is reran
17:25*ikey surmises his view was correct
17:25<ikey>terminal was an idiot :P
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17:26<stinkyfax>jordanm: yes they have init scripts, example: /etc/init.d/
17:26<stinkyfax>and they have o+x
17:26<Dominus>Okay, I am confused.. but when I type java, a lot of text pops up.. looks like the manual or something
17:26<Dominus>Or.. usage manual or whatever it's called.. or it doesn't look like. it is
17:27<Dominus>so.. it works? :o
17:27<f8l>Dominus: That's good.
17:27<ikey>Now go play :)
17:27<jordanm>stinkyfax: pastebin the script
17:27<f8l>jordanm: You're a pro!
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17:27<jordanm>stinkyfax: also, adding .sh to executables pushes some people's buttons :p
17:27<Dominus>jordanm: Thanks a lot! :o You are really good :) Ikey, rpetre, f8l and everyone else who also helped me. Thank you aswell! :)
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17:28<jordanm>Dominus: anytime :)
17:28<ikey>Dominus: Its fine :)
17:28<ikey>All major credit cards accepted...
17:28<ikey>j/k :P
17:28*Dominus likes ikey
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17:28<Dominus>ikey sounds like IKEA .__.
17:28<Dominus>sorry, but it does! :D
17:28<ikey>Quickest ending relationship ever..
17:28<stinkyfax>jordanm: that's strange, i renamed it to withotu .sh and it appeared in table
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17:28<Dominus>LOL :D
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17:28<stinkyfax>I will try to disable all my custom init's and see what happens
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17:29<Dominus>does hash -r make the shell forget all paths?
17:29<jordanm>stinkyfax: ah, now that you mention that, I see sysv-rc-conf does not display any that end .sh. this is generally considered bad practice anyways
17:29<ikey>Dominus: type: help hash
17:29<Dominus>ikey: where are you form?
17:30<ikey>Irish, living in England
17:30<stinkyfax>jordanm: how do I remove my old .sh with old command? I always forget those long command names
17:30<jordanm>you don't call "ls" with "ls.elf", same with shell scripts
17:30<jordanm>stinkyfax: just use mv, or rm if you already copied it
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17:31<Dominus>ikey: Nice! Sean Connery is irish(ish?) isn't he? :)
17:31<Dominus>And I'm from Denmark, living in Denmark
17:31<stinkyfax>there arel ike 10 .sh files in init.d which are not mine, like
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17:31<stinkyfax>is it normal?
17:31<jordanm>there is #debian-offtopic for that kind of chat
17:31<jordanm>stinkyfax: yep, normal and still wrong IMO :)
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17:32<stinkyfax>so to restatr i can try "shutdown -r now"?
17:33<ikey>Dominus: /JOIN #debian-offtopic
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17:33<stinkyfax>I don't have physical access to it, so I am afraid of turning it off
17:33<jordanm>stinkyfax: yes
17:33<jordanm>to turn it off, the -h is required
17:33<stinkyfax>oh nice, it worked on first attempt
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17:45<stinkyfax>nice, after i turned off my custom init services are started
17:45<stinkyfax>nope, i am wrong
17:45<stinkyfax>apache2 is working, tomcat isn't
17:46<stinkyfax>ignore me, I did not add new tomcat script to launch
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17:46<petionet>i can't install debian on my AMD duron i686
17:47<stinkyfax>which states do I need to choose in sys-rf-config to make script run on launch?
17:47<petionet>what should i choose : [alpha][amd64][arm][armel][hppa][i386][ia64][mips][mipsel][powerpc][sparc]
17:48<f8l>petionet: i386 should work.
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17:48<petionet>thank you
17:49<f8l>petionet: I guess you chose amd64? ;-)
17:49<petionet>i read that i need amd64-k8 for single procesor amd
17:50<mjampala>Is there a known problem with busybox's getty dieing badly
17:51<qq->mjampala, check(ed) bts ?
17:51<f8l>petionet: Where did you read that?
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17:52<mjampala>qq-, did you bean btrfs?
17:52<qq->mjampala, /msg dpkg bts
17:54<mjampala>this isn't a debian platform
17:54<mjampala>it is my own custom kernel and rootfs
17:55<qq->so ask #buildroot ?
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17:56<stinkyfax>can I use 'cd' inside of init script? or it will break next scripts?
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17:59<petionet>"Kernel panic - not cyncing: Attempted to kill init!" is it normal x( ?
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18:02<petionet>when i choose graphic install - i get only black screen, when i choose only "Install" i get this error
18:03<stinkyfax>Where can I see info about system states? I can't find anything
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18:03<stinkyfax>getting redirected to some stupid unrelated stuff :(
18:03<qq->petionet, install on laptop ?
18:04<petionet>no, PC
18:04<petionet>AMD Duron - single processor
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18:04<qq->check memory ?
18:04<petionet>ram ?
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18:04<qq->run a live
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18:05<dpkg>The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. As of squeeze, the images can be installed with d-i. #debian-live on A preview of the squeeze live image is at
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18:06<petionet>but i don't need live cd
18:06<stinkyfax>how do I run script without input/output
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18:07<qq->petionet, it's not about yours needs, is about to check your system
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18:10<petionet>okay i'll try
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18:11<petionet>i detected the problem
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18:12<petionet>... the cpu overclock
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18:16<anarcat>i can't reportbug linux-2.6 it seems, i get Unable to connect to Debian BTS
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18:17<HSBr>Hi everybody
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18:19<stinkyfax>I am trying to start process without interraction: /etc/gameserver/srcds/orangebox/ > dev/null 2>&1
18:19<Dominus>"java -Xmx1024M -Xms1024M -jar file.jar nogui" <-- What does the -Xmx1024M and -Xms1024M mean?
18:19<stinkyfax>i get 'unknown file/folder dev/null'
18:19<bremner>anarcat: same here
18:20<anarcat>this is getting aggravating
18:20<retrospectacus>Dominus: something to do with max memory allowed
18:20<qq->anarcat, works here
18:20<Dominus>Okay. I figured so
18:20<Dominus>Just didn't know exactly
18:20<retrospectacus>Dominus: google would know the details :)
18:20<Dominus>But thanks retrospectacus :)
18:20<blarson>stinkyfax: I think you want /dev/null not dev/null
18:20<Dominus>retrospectacus: You are right ;D
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18:22<ikey>Dominus: oooo @ options
18:22<ikey>eww.. :)
18:22<ikey>Xmx is maximum, Xms is minimum heap size.. iirc
18:22<ikey>Check out man java
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18:23<Dominus>ikey - i just did
18:23<Dominus>it is maximum memory
18:23<stinkyfax>.... /etc/gameserver/srcds/orangebox/ > /dev/null 2>&1 I am still getting logs into my shell, why?
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18:24<ikey>Dominus: No no. Maximum heap. Different thing :)
18:24<jordanm>stinkyfax: paste again without the typo?
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18:24<stinkyfax>which typo?
18:25<Dominus>ikey - Xmx is maximum memory
18:25<jordanm>stinkyfax: is the name of the script ""?
18:25<qq->stinkyfax, try space '' and '&'
18:25<stinkyfax> but I want it to run on background
18:25<stinkyfax>Still receiving logs :(
18:26<jordanm>stinkyfax: looks like you should be using start-stop-daemon
18:26<stinkyfax>so it's not on backgorund
18:26<jordanm>stinkyfax: backgrounded jobs will still output to the attached terminal
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18:26<jordanm>stinkyfax: redirections are proccessed from right to left
18:27<stinkyfax>without & i don't receive logs but it runs as main process
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18:27<jordanm>stinkyfax: looks like you should be using start-stop-daemon
18:27<stinkyfax>jordanm: the problem was in startup is this script, because it doesnt' run in background, init.d stucks here waiting for end
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18:28<stinkyfax>there is no such daemon for that server
18:28<jordanm>stinkyfax: fix the script to use start-stop-daemon and add it back to an init runlevel
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18:28<retrospectacus>stinkyfax: >/dev/null 2>&1 & should work fine. I recommend logging to a file though
18:29<stinkyfax>don't worry, it has internal logging
18:29<jordanm>stinkyfax: also note, that your example and the one given by retrospectacus still leaves the proc attached to the terminal
18:30<stinkyfax>I see, how do I sort it out? there isn't a daemon like "srcds start"
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18:30<jordanm>stinkyfax: you need to write one. /etc/init.d/skeleton is there to help
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18:31<stinkyfax>start-stop-daemon --start --quiet --pidfile $PIDFILE --exec $DAEMON --test > /dev/null \
18:32<jordanm>you fill in the vars at the top
18:32<stinkyfax>i don't have 'start-stop-daemon' file like this, I mean the only I have is
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18:32<stinkyfax>ah, ok
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18:42<stinkyfax>NAME=daemonexecutablename what should I put there?
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18:42<NOMADICUS>Hello. I have been using Ubuntu for a few years. I have decided to migrate to Debian. How substantial is the difference between Debian and Ubuntu?
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18:45<jordanm>NOMADICUS: most of us wouldn't know, not being ubuntu users
18:45<clocker>NOMADICUS, I moved from rpm based systems this year and tried Ubuntu first. It's buggy as hell and a resource pig. Debian was flawless on install. Lenny was my choice. It still demands a lot of RAM, but I'll work around it. No contest with Ubuntu
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18:46<amphi>clocker: you run gnome? ;)
18:47<amphi>I expect that's what devours your memory
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18:47<clocker>I've run it elsewhere so my comment is relative to other systems running similar things
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18:55<stinkyfax>dameon stop doesn't work :(
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19:08<jhutchins_lt>NOMADICUS: Debian appears to be out-of-date, but in fact the packages have been well tested and patched.
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19:09<jhutchins_lt>NOMADICUS: It may lack some of the glitz of ubuntu, but if you look hard enough you'll find all of the tools and then some.
19:10<jhutchins_lt>NOMADICUS: There is almost always a way to get what you're actually trying to do done, as long as you focus on the goal and not the latest, greatest packages.
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19:10<jhutchins_lt>NOMADICUS: Admin tools are more likely to be text-based, a little more complex, and a lot more powerful.
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19:11<viniciusandre>hi! what do i need to configure in my network interface to have a raw socket program in one terminal to listen another one in another terminal?
19:11<jordanm>viniciusandre: netcat
19:11<viniciusandre>hope im clear enough
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19:12<viniciusandre>jordanm, netcat says it works under IP or UDP... im writing my own protocol
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19:12<viniciusandre>jordanm, do i still need it?
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19:13<retrospectacus>you're writing a protocol, that does not use IP ?
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19:13<jordanm>well, you won't be able to use any of the existing typical network stack without TCP/IP
19:14<jordanm>I would imagine, your protocol code will have to go into the kernel, if its an intended TCP/IP replacement
19:14<viniciusandre>jordanm, humn.. ok
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19:15<jordanm>viniciusandre: TCP/IP is been tested and stardaized for a *long* time. why write anytime else?
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19:15<viniciusandre>jordanm, homework... =/
19:16*themill suspects viniciusandre os really trying to do something different
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19:16<Tommos>aren't you confusing the tcp/ip ip protocol with some protocol on top of it? :)
19:17<viniciusandre>Tommos, im not sure, because im using raw connections
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19:17<viniciusandre>Tommos, im supposed to read messages bit by bit
19:18<viniciusandre>actually that worked for a while here, but now its not working anymore
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19:18<viniciusandre>since i rebooted the machine
19:18<jordanm>viniciusandre: use netcat
19:18<jordanm>your homework does not want you to reinvent TCP/IP
19:18<viniciusandre>thats why im asking if i need to configure something
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19:18<jordanm>in fact, it probably expects you to have an understanding of what TCP/IP is, which you seem to lack at this point...
19:19<jordanm>viniciusandre: I recommned the book "TCP/IP Illustrated volume 1"
19:19<viniciusandre>jordanm, well.. i i use IP sockets, they give me structures that deal with ip headers and so
19:19<viniciusandre>jordanm, i can tell that its not this
19:19<Tommos>the kernel will do all that for you
19:19<NOMADICUS>jhutchins_lt: I want to make a digital audio workstation.
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19:20<viniciusandre>whats a raw socket, then?
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19:20<jordanm>viniciusandre: a file
19:21<jordanm>its a special file that you read and write to in a different way, to over simplify
19:21<viniciusandre>humn... ok.. well..
19:21<NOMADICUS>jhutchins_lt: It is something that I feel I need to accomplish for two reasons. One is to have it, and the other is to prove to my peers that a Linux based system is capable of media creation, editing and management.
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19:21<jordanm>i believe in theory you can use standard read() and write() on a socket file, but the results likely would not be intended
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19:22<viniciusandre>netcat needs a port and an interface to be started... to set raw sockets i dont use ports, only interfaces ids...
19:24<jordanm>viniciusandre: did they teach you the OSI model?
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19:26<bignose>How long before I should worry about this:
19:26<bignose>E: Release file expired, ignoring
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19:26<bignose>is it temporary failure of the mirror I use, or is no-one else experiencing this?
19:26<NOMADICUS>I have never bothered with anti-virus or anti-spyware software before when using Linux. I get asked a lot about it though. I say that I just don't worry about it. But are there any concerns that I should have, and what is the optimum response to give someone who asks about this issue who is a non Linux user?
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19:28<bignose>NOMADICUS: my response: never run any non-free program. prefer programs fetched from the operating system's official package repository. use a web browser and mail reader that doesn't run arbitrary programs.
19:28<NOMADICUS>I am never concerned about defraging my hard drive either. How come I don't have to do that?
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19:29<bignose>NOMADICUS: because ext2 (and ext3, etc.) are much better designed than NTFS or VFAT.
19:29<bignose>they do accumulate fragmentation, but verrry slowly.
19:29<jordanm>NTFS doesn't even need defrag like VFAT did
19:30<NOMADICUS>bignose: That is what I figured, but what is behind it?
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19:30<NOMADICUS>bignose: So would it be wise to implement a defragging scheduel?
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19:31<bignose>NOMADICUS: have a read of the ext2 design. brief, salient point: they put the blocks of data in sensible places in the first instance, instead of screwing it up.
19:31<dpkg>well, defrag is generally not needed in linux. or or a respawn in a multiplayer game, or tip: fragmentation is low until you start using the default reserved-blocks-percentage space
19:31<bignose>NOMADICUS: no, I've never bothered defragging over ten years of use, and the filesystems still perform admirably well.
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19:33*f8l is looking forward to use btrfs.
19:33<bignose>so has anyone else been seeing “E: Release file expired, ignoring” from their Debian mirror recently for Squeeze?
19:33<clocker>My mouse is a little on the excited side. How do I slow it up in fluxbox?
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19:35<themill>bignose: is this on the mirror or some other one?
19:36<themill>bignose: that's not one I can tell you anything about (flaky or otherwise). It's perhaps not been updating properly. No, not seen that on other mirrors.
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19:38<bignose>themill: thanks.
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19:51<Moleboy>Hey guys
19:52<Moleboy>Wha's up?
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19:52<Moleboy>*What's up?
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19:52<blarson>Moleboy: this is a debian support channel, not a general discussion one
19:52<Moleboy>Well, I actually had a problem, but didn't want to be rude.
19:52<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
19:53<Moleboy>Sorry blarson, but as for my issue
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19:53<Moleboy>I installed Debian last night, couldn't get it to run, long story
19:54<Moleboy>but I am reinstalling it right now, with Gnome, and was wondering how difficult it would be for me to change the DE?
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19:54<Moleboy>Yes, I'm new to Debian and linux in general, I've tinkered, but haven't truly gotten too far.
19:54<jordanm>Moleboy: you can install alternate DEs from the debian installer
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19:54<stinkyfax_>btw why whenever I install linux on virtual box my virtual box sceren is 640x480 or something liek this
19:54<stinkyfax_>and I can't change it anywhere
19:54<jordanm>Moleboy: something like advaced -> alternate desktops from the boot menu
19:55<Tommos>stinkyfax_: install the guest additions
19:55<Moleboy>I had that option last night jordan
19:55<jordanm>stinkyfax_: you have to install the guest additions which includes the video driver
19:55<Moleboy>ahhh ok
19:55<Moleboy>oh right
19:55<Moleboy>but last night, it was a nice graphical installation, while's more of a text based one
19:55<jordanm>Moleboy: well, its as easy as removing one meta package and installing another. could be a long download depending on the de
19:55<Moleboy>Wanted to go from Gnome to LXDE
19:56<jordanm>or, just installing another and running update-alternatives --config x-session-manager
19:56*jordanm recommends Xfce
19:56<Moleboy>why XFCE instead of LXDE?
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19:56<jordanm>hehe, because I have been using it for years and it is my preference. you can develop your own
19:56<jordanm>your own preferences I mean
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19:57<Moleboy>I honestly have no preference at this point
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19:57<Moleboy>which is why I'm trying to learn what I can :-)
19:57<jordanm>my customized setup:
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20:06<retrospectacus>jordanm: I can't tell if you're running Gentoo, Debian or Redhat 0.o
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20:07<jordanm>retrospectacus: hehe, the RHEL is a VM. I was testing around with RHEL 6 beta at the time. that is actually xfce 4.4 (considered ancient by upstream) on lenny
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20:08<retrospectacus>gotcha .. you just like the gentoo wallpaper?
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20:12<jordanm>retrospectacus: i actually *rarely* change wallpaper. at the time I put that up, I still used gentoo some, and it was an awesome wallpaper "On day 1 god emerged the world, on day 7 it finished" ("emerge world" in gentoo means recompile/install all packages, and is actually something that is needed)
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20:12<jordanm>libc upgrades in gentoo for example require an emerge world, which used to take around 20hrs on my laptop (not including failures)
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20:13<retrospectacus>fun stuff :P catcha later
20:15<stinkyfax_>jordanm: init.d works as i want now :) great thanks for help
20:16<jordanm>stinkyfax_: good to hear. anytime
20:16<stinkyfax_>though I had to slightly adjust the skeleton
20:16<jordanm>still better than writting from scratch
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20:22<stinkyfax_>i had to go sleep 2 hours ago, cya guys... work soon
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20:33<Moleboy>I need some major major major help
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20:33<Moleboy>twice, with two different CD's I've tried the netinst to install debian
20:33<Moleboy>it installs it
20:34<Moleboy>then I boot up, it shows the kernal messages, then the screen goes black
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20:34<Moleboy>once I pick debian from the boot menu
20:34<Moleboy>any solutions guys?
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20:34<Moleboy>or any ideas?
20:34<Moleboy>I just can't make it to the desktop from my installs :-(
20:35<amphi>what video card?
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20:35<Moleboy>HD 4870
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20:36<Moleboy>:-/ I just don't know what to do at this point x.x
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20:37<amphi>I don't know about support for recent ATI cards
20:37<Moleboy>So I may be screwed when it comes to debian?
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20:37<Moleboy>I have no onboard video, so this is all
20:37<Moleboy>I have.
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20:37<amphi>if it's recent hw you might be better to use the testing branch
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20:38<Moleboy>can you point me to what to download?
20:38<Moleboy>I'm here, and there are so many:
20:38<Moleboy>These are all CD-1, CD-2, and I have no idea what's going on.
20:38<dpkg>To use an ATI graphics card with Debian, ask me about <radeon>, <radeonhd>, <fglrx>. See also <radeon vs radeonhd>. Installing proprietary drivers from (i.e. with the ATI Driver Installer) is not supported in #debian, please go to #ati (
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20:39<dpkg>[radeonhd] the AMD/ATI <FOSS> Xorg driver for the Radeon R5xx, R6xx and (since version 1.2.2) R7xx family of chipsets. Packaged for Debian as xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd; Squeeze users, ask me about <radeon firmware>. Does not support <KMS> (Debian bug #575226). #radeonhd on
20:40<Moleboy>But I can't install the drivers, if I can't even boot into debian?
20:40<qq->Moleboy, try #kmuto
20:40<jordanm>Moleboy: you need fglrx from lenny-backports
20:40<qq->Moleboy, try kmuto
20:40<Moleboy>I am new, and to be honest, I have no idea what you are talking about
20:40<jordanm>kmuto is only for newer kernel during installation, won't help for fglrx
20:40<dpkg> (formerly is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read to enable and use. See also <bdo key> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo kernel> <bdo users>.
20:41<Moleboy>but that doesn't answer my question
20:41<amphi>Moleboy: for testing
20:41<qq->"I can't even boot into debian?" ..
20:41<Moleboy>if I can't even boot, how can I install or use that
20:41<jordanm>Moleboy: follow the instructions for fglrx on the wiki, but use the packages from that repository instead
20:41<jordanm>qq-: in this case, gdm/X is failing to start
20:41<jordanm>Moleboy: or, an alternative would be to use testing, but its generally not recommended for new users
20:42<Moleboy>would testing work?
20:42<jordanm>Moleboy: backports might take more work, but it is much safer
20:42<jordanm>Moleboy: it should, yes
20:42<Moleboy>What are the odds I'll run into an issue with Testing?
20:42<Moleboy>I figure I should be fun.
20:42<dpkg>Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <squeeze>. See and ask me about <testing faq> <lenny->squeeze> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging to use testing and should be prepared for a bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical or on servers.
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20:42<Moleboy>mmk, backport it is
20:43<Moleboy>let me look into it, back in a minute
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20:43<jordanm>I am not sure that should read "knowledge of Debian packaging"
20:43<jordanm>probably more like "knowledge of debian package management".
20:43<ml|>I agree
20:44<ml|>something along those lines
20:44<jordanm>I would change it, but it looks like my change won't fit
20:44<Moleboy>Ok, so my problem is, I can't boot, so I can't do this backport thing
20:44<Moleboy>I need to actually install something from within debian, which I can't do x.x
20:44<jordanm>Moleboy: what happens when you try? what about the single-user mode available from the boot menu?
20:45<Moleboy>what happens with both--
20:45<Moleboy>Boot up, make it to GRUB
20:45<Moleboy>choose either one
20:45<Moleboy>shows the kernal messages, then after about 10 seconds
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20:45<qq->Moleboy, bumm
20:45<jordanm>Moleboy: what happens after that?
20:46<Moleboy>my monitor goes black, then switches from analog to digital back and forth, although my card is only DVI (digital), and it just stays black.
20:46<Moleboy>if I hit the power button
20:46<Moleboy>kernal messages show up, and it says at the bottom
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20:46<Moleboy>so I've tried it again, and while black, typing in my password
20:46<jordanm>Moleboy: well, that does sound like gdm failing to start, which should not happen from single user mode
20:46<Moleboy>but to no avail
20:46<Moleboy>uno momento
20:46<Moleboy>let me try SUM again
20:47<jordanm>Moleboy: you could also hit "e" to edit and then add "init=/bin/sh" to the kernel line. if that does not work, squeeze it is
20:47<Moleboy>it's kernal messaging
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20:47<Moleboy>minus the quotes I take it?
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20:48<Moleboy>just confirming :-) pappreciate it
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20:48<Moleboy>it says, Give root password for maintenance, (or type control-d) to continue
20:49<jordanm>thats good, give the root password
20:49<jordanm>Moleboy: so now you have a shell?
20:49<Moleboy>indeed I do :-)
20:49<Moleboy>and it says
20:50<Moleboy>a full link at 1000mbps
20:50<Moleboy>Mbps, not MBps of course
20:50<jordanm>Moleboy: mount -o remount,rw /; update-rc.d -f gdm remove
20:50<jordanm>Moleboy: that should allow you to boot into a normal mode to continue the fix
20:51<Moleboy>stuff happened
20:51<Moleboy>should I reboot?
20:51<jordanm>what stuff?
20:51<Moleboy>removed system startup links for /etc/init.d/gdm...
20:51<jordanm>looks good, reboot
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20:52<jordanm>,versions fglrx-glx
20:52<Moleboy>restarting, thanks a ton by the way :-)
20:52<judd>Package fglrx-glx on i386 -- etch-backports/non-free: 8.47.3-3~bpo40+1; lenny/non-free: 1:8-12-4; lenny-backports/non-free: 1:10-4-1~bpo50+1; squeeze/non-free: 1:10-7-1; sid/non-free: 1:10-9-2
20:52<Moleboy>booting normal
20:52<Moleboy>I don't think I'm on i386
20:52<Moleboy>I downloaded the amd64 version
20:53<jordanm>Moleboy: it should be the same
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20:53<jordanm>,versions fglrx-glx --arch amd64
20:53<judd>Package fglrx-glx on amd64 -- etch-backports/non-free: 8.47.3-3~bpo40+1; lenny/non-free: 1:8-12-4; squeeze/non-free: 1:10-7-1; sid/non-free: 1:10-9-1
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20:53<jordanm>well crap...
20:53<Moleboy>shit x.x
20:53<jordanm>Moleboy: squeeze
20:53<Moleboy>wait what?>
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20:53<Moleboy>if you can guide me what to download, I'd love that
20:53<Moleboy>sorry, there's just so much
20:53<Moleboy>I appreciate all this help though!
20:54<jordanm>Moleboy: you can upgrade your existing install
20:54<Moleboy>oo ok
20:54<jordanm>dpkg: lenny->squeeze
20:54<dpkg>WARNING: you must upgrade the kernel and reboot prior to the full-upgrade. Remove any APT source specific to stable (such as volatile, backports), then s/lenny/squeeze/ on your sources.list. aptitude update && aptitude install linux-image-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,'` ; reboot; aptitude full-upgrade. If full-upgrade fails, try "apt-get dist-upgrade". See <squeeze release notes>, <squeeze udev>, <apt-listchanges>, <testing>
20:54<Moleboy>I'm at the shell
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20:54<Moleboy>since I have nothing actually on it
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20:54<jordanm>Moleboy: change /etc/apt/sources.list from "lenny" to "squeeze"
20:55<Moleboy>jordanm, I hate to seem really new, but I am
20:55<Moleboy>and I hate to possibly bug you more, but uhm
20:55<Moleboy>how would I go about that x.x
20:56<jordanm>everyones new once, and you can't do much learning without a working system
20:56<Moleboy>I really thank you for this :-)
20:56<jordanm>Moleboy: editor /etc/apt/sources.list
20:56<jordanm>(as root)
20:57<Moleboy>remind me, what exactly do I change?
20:57<Moleboy>you said lenny to squeeze
20:57<jordanm>Moleboy: lenny -> squeeze
20:57<Moleboy>what about the 5.0.6
20:57<Moleboy>or the lenny main
20:57<Moleboy>lenny/updates main
20:57<Moleboy>there are like...6 lenny's on here
20:57<jordanm>replace any case of the word lenny, with squeeze
20:57<Moleboy>I can actually pastebin everything on there on this laptop
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20:58<Moleboy>If you say so
20:59<Moleboy>ok, done
20:59<Moleboy>ctrl+o to say?
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20:59<Moleboy>so many options, so little time!
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21:00<jordanm>Moleboy: ctrl-x to exit, you will be prompted to save
21:00<jordanm>I recommend one of the first things to learn is a good CLI text editor. the one you were just using is basic and easy, but not very good for advanced things
21:00<Moleboy>rror writing /etc/apt/sources.list: permission denied
21:01<Moleboy>I take it
21:01<Moleboy>I didn't do this as root?
21:01<jordanm>Moleboy: hmm, you missed the (as root) part
21:01<Moleboy>damn, ah well
21:01<Moleboy>all over again
21:01<jordanm>Moleboy: you can save it somwhere else and then move it to the right location
21:01<Moleboy>just doing it again
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21:04<Moleboy>how exactly do I root this up?
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21:05<jordanm>Moleboy: "su"
21:06<Moleboy>what's the sudo password @.@
21:06<jordanm>Moleboy: sudo is not configured by default
21:06<not_david>it's your root password
21:06<Moleboy>I did thqt
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21:06<jordanm>Moleboy: "su" uses root's password, while "sudo" would use your own
21:06<Moleboy>and it says sam is not in the sudoers file. this incident will be reported.
21:06<rpgdude>i am having an issue trying to mount my nfs shares
21:06<jordanm>Moleboy: "su" NOT "sudo"
21:07<Moleboy>tried su
21:07<rpgdude>mount.nfs: access denied by server while mounting hostname:/var/stuff/video
21:07<Moleboy>unknown id: editor
21:07<not_david>use nano instead
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21:07<jordanm>Moleboy: type su and press enter
21:07<jordanm>not_david: /usr/bin/editor is nano by default
21:08<jordanm>Moleboy: the syntax is not the same as sudo, so you should not try to use it the same way
21:08<jordanm>Moleboy: "su" <enter> prompts for a password prior to giving you a root shell
21:09<rpgdude>does anyone know where to look for my nfs issue?
21:09<Moleboy>and thanks :-)
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21:09<Moleboy>I saved it
21:09<Moleboy>should I reboot?
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21:11<soph>how do i multi comment jobs in a crontab ?
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21:11<soph>is /* */
21:11<soph>allowed ?
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21:11<Moleboy>jordanm? o.o
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21:12<jordanm>Moleboy: yes, highlight me if you want me to see something
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21:12<jordanm>Moleboy: no reboot. aptitude update; aptitude install linux-image-2.6-amd64
21:12<Moleboy>gotcha :-)
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21:13<Moleboy>it's going, thanks :-)
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21:15<jordanm>Moleboy: when that is finished, reboot if there are no errors. you should be rebooting into the new 2.6.32 kernel
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21:16<Moleboy>thanks :-) I really do appreciate it again
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21:17<jordanm>Moleboy: it is really no problem, I am sitting in a hotel 800 miles from home with nothing else to do :)
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21:18<Moleboy>hehe, enjoy the hotel
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21:21<dundee>Hi all
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21:21<dundee>Can someone help me in getting my microphone to work on Debian Lenny?
21:23<jordanm>Moleboy: any luck?\
21:23<Moleboy>I rebooted
21:23<Moleboy>one sec
21:23<jordanm>Moleboy: when your back up, I want to see output of uname -r
21:23<Moleboy>uname -r?
21:23<Moleboy>wait, I'm at the boot menu
21:24<Moleboy>hang on
21:24<Moleboy>4 options
21:24<Moleboy>not just two
21:24<jordanm>should be the new default
21:24<Moleboy>gotcha, thanks
21:24<Moleboy>tis indeed :-)
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21:24<Moleboy>it wants me to log in, I'm logging in
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21:25<Moleboy>uname -r = 2.6.32-5-amd64
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21:25<Moleboy>rather, uname -r == 2.6.32-5-amd64
21:25<jordanm>Moleboy: as root: aptitude full-upgrade | tee ~/upgrade.log
21:25<dundee>Please....need help me in getting my microphone to work on Debian Lenny?
21:26<jordanm>!tell dundee about alsa checklist
21:26<jordanm>thats the most help I can be on that
21:26<Moleboy>I can't copy/paste your messages
21:26<Moleboy>is there a space between tee and ~ jordanm
21:27<Moleboy>This aptitude does not have super cow powers
21:27<Moleboy>Wow, that threw me off XD
21:27<jordanm>you typoed full-upgrade :)
21:27<rpgdude>my nfs volumes are not exporting
21:27<rpgdude>any ideas?
21:27<dundee>ok thanks jordanm will check
21:29<Moleboy>The following actions will resolve these dependencies
21:29<Moleboy>remove the following packages:
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21:29<Moleboy>gnome-desktop-enviroment, hal cups utils, iceweasel gnome support, libbind9-40
21:29<Moleboy>the list goes on
21:29<Moleboy>I'm going to accept its solution
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21:30<Moleboy>wow, it needs to get 833mb of archives
21:31<Moleboy>ah well...don't have much of a choice x.x
21:31<jordanm>most of that will be gnome and its depends
21:31<Moleboy>ah well
21:31<Moleboy>I let it go, I have nothing better to do
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21:34<dundee>alsa checklist focuses on playback
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21:34<dundee>playback is fine..but capture not working
21:36<dundee>Microphone in Debian still not working....any help?
21:36<jordanm>if its not muted, I wouldn't really know
21:37<not_david>dundee: have you played around with alsamixer yet?
21:38<dundee>its not a matter of fact the first thing I did was to unmute it and turn up the volume
21:38<jordanm>and your sure it actually works?
21:38<dundee>not_david: yes but still cannot get microphone to work
21:38<dundee>yes I had ubuntu installed before I reinstalled
21:38<dundee>It was working
21:40<not_david>dundee: i couldn't get mine setup with alsamixer either. i installed gamix and poked around for a few minutes and all was fine
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21:40<not_david>might be worth considering
21:41<dundee>not_david: ok...let me try that................
21:42<not_david>dundee: are you using gnome? they might have an alsa frontend already... idk i dont use gnome
21:43<dundee>Yes I am using gnome
21:43<rpgdude>anyone know how to debug nfs problems?
21:44<not_david>dundee: gnome-alsamixer
21:45<not_david>i still prefer gamix though. but YMMV
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21:46<dundee>wow I installed gamix and start getting some response only with a little static
21:46<dundee>That is so weird
21:46<pipe>< rpgdude> anyone know how to debug nfs problems?
21:46<dundee>not_david: Thank you very much
21:46<pipe>Too bad people think IRC is dead if they don't get answer within 30 seconds..
21:46<pipe>Since I do know how to debug nfs problems :P
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21:47<jordanm>I believe he is a repeat offender
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21:48<pipe>repeat defender
21:48<not_david>dundee: no problem. just pay it forward
21:49<dundee>not_david: I notice though that audacity works...but not sound recorder
21:49<dundee>guess I just need to play with gamix some more
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21:49<Moleboy>jordanm: it's still installing...too much, and considering I don't even want to use Gnome in the end...hehe
21:49<dundee>not_david: Which Desktop environment do you use?
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21:50<jordanm>Moleboy: no stopping now
21:50<Moleboy>jordanm: Doesn't matter, I'll change it at the end.
21:50<Moleboy>I just want this thing to flipping boot
21:50<Moleboy>I have work to do @.@
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21:51<not_david>dundee: idk about sound recorder... only needed audacity to record some shortwave radio stuff
21:53<dundee>not_david: ok
21:54<dundee>not_david: Do you use xfce?
21:54<NOMADICUS>I am trying to find a command that will querry hard drive stats. What command is optimum?
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21:55<not_david>i use lxde/openbox and awesome wm. gnome is too heavy for my ancient machines. xfce uses too much memory
21:55<dundee>not_david: ok cool
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21:56<Moleboy>What is your opinion of LXDE vs XFCE?
21:57<not_david>but sometimes i will use emacs as my DE
21:57<jordanm>its Xfce not XFCE. both are lightweight and aparently quite good. I have used xfce for a while and find its community nice
21:57<dundee>not_david: lol
21:59<Moleboy>jordanm: I stand corrected :-)
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22:01<not_david>xfce is great. just eats up a lil more memory than i like.
22:01<Moleboy>jordanm: The screen went black, but the messages have quit.
22:02<Moleboy>it's just sitting there.
22:02<jordanm>Moleboy: press an arrow key?
22:02<jordanm>the TTY console has a screen-saver like feature
22:02<Moleboy>heh :-)
22:03<pipe>NOMADICUS: hdparm and smartctl
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22:04<Moleboy>Interesting, I like it :-)
22:05<pipe>Moleboy: My opinion of xfce is that it's pointless because it's as bloated as gnome :P
22:05<Moleboy>ahh pipe, I remember you from last night
22:05<pipe>Moleboy: LXDE seems to be more what xfce used to be and was meant to be
22:05<pipe>I don't :P
22:06<Moleboy>=D My debian didn't boot last helped me figure out to use netinst
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22:06<Moleboy>when I was trying to figure out what to download, few other things
22:06<pipe>Ah, right
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22:06<Moleboy>still working on it :-)
22:06<Moleboy>still not running hehe
22:07<Moleboy>but, since as much as I despise bloat, it doesn't affect me, it's really irrelevant, right?
22:07<NOMADICUS>pipe: Thanks.
22:07<pipe>bloat usually also leads to features (or it might be the other way around)
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22:08<pipe>On my laptop, which is the machine I use the most, I run dwm
22:08<pipe>A seriously minimal window manager
22:09<pipe>It doesn't really even have windows, it's a tiling window manager so you don't have to fiddle around with the mouse
22:09<Moleboy>ahh, I see
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22:10<pipe>On my desktop machine I run ubuntu with all the gnome glory :)
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22:10<Moleboy>debian on your laptop?
22:10<Moleboy>why the switchup?
22:10<Moleboy>if you don't mind me asking hehe
22:10<dundee>not_david: ok....need to try lxde one day
22:11<pipe>Moleboy: I'm not really sure, but sometimes I like to be able to just relax and not think
22:11<Moleboy>ahh, gotcha, it's all good :-)
22:11<pipe>Moleboy: And just google the ubuntu forum when something breaks.
22:11<pipe>Moleboy: It's also good to be able to give ubuntu support, since ubuntu is the OS I recommend for complete noobs
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22:16<Moleboy>I've done ubuntu a few times over the years
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22:16<Moleboy>I don't know, I don't like mainstream things.
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22:17<Moleboy>jordanm: should I use dash as the system shell?
22:17<jordanm>Moleboy: yes
22:18<jordanm>Moleboy: defaults should be fine for all those questions
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22:23<pipe>the switch to dash was <3
22:25<Moleboy>jordanm: question...I'm letting it do its thing and I keep seeing fail messages
22:25<Moleboy>it's rather depressing
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22:25<Moleboy>failed, can't do this, can't do taht
22:25<Moleboy>warning this, warning that, cannot find this
22:25<Moleboy>jeez louis.
22:26<Moleboy>hehe, is that what this is?
22:26<Moleboy>wow, yipee ayooo
22:28<pipe>stay off the booze while installing, please
22:28<Moleboy>You're right, I'm not coding yet.
22:29<Moleboy>Ballmer's peak indeed.
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22:35<jordanm>Moleboy: thats a problem
22:36<jordanm>Moleboy: let it finish, then pastebin ~/output.log (that is what the tee part of the command did)
22:36<dpkg>[pastebinit] a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>; convenient if you don't have a graphical interface. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit".
22:37<Moleboy>ok jordanm
22:37<Moleboy>My configuration file
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22:37<Moleboy>the package distributor has shipped an updated version, do I upgrade?
22:38<jordanm>you haven't modified anything, so you have no reason not to
22:38<Moleboy>I'm back at the shell
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22:40<jordanm>Moleboy: use pastebinit so I can see that log
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22:41<Moleboy>I'm sorry
22:41<Moleboy>I see the command
22:41<Moleboy>but what exactly am I pastebinning?
22:41<jordanm>Moleboy: /root/upgrade.log
22:43<Moleboy>coulodn't do that jordanm, it couldn't resolve
22:43<Moleboy>couldn't install pastebinit
22:44<jordanm>Moleboy: uhh, so your networking is broken after the upgrade?
22:45<Moleboy>that's what it is sounding like.
22:45<jordanm>Moleboy: does /etc/resolv.conf appear to have correct nameservers? ifconfig show a proper IP address?
22:45<Moleboy>aw shiet.
22:45<Moleboy>after my update, it bwoked.
22:46<Moleboy>can I please just download the squeeze and install from there?
22:46<Moleboy>this world does NOT like me for now.
22:46<jordanm>Moleboy: well.. that doesn't help us file bugs against upgrade-reports
22:47<jordanm>that is a serious failure, since it may prevent you from fixing it
22:47<jordanm>Moleboy: what does aptitude search ~b show?
22:47<Moleboy>couldn't I just
22:47<Moleboy>and start over?
22:47<Moleboy>with the squeeze?
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22:47<Moleboy>I'll try it >.>
22:48<Moleboy>aptitude search ~b shows nhothing.
22:48<Moleboy>some messages flash, then it goes to the next line.
22:49<jordanm>alright, so aptitude claims nothing broken... dhclient eth0
22:49<Moleboy>I'm using eth1
22:49<Moleboy>not eth0
22:49<Moleboy>but ok
22:49<Moleboy>you da boss :-)
22:51<Moleboy>nothing comes up
22:51<Moleboy>jordanm should I try it with eth1?
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22:51<Moleboy>either way, just goes to the next line jordanm
22:52<jordanm>Moleboy: and what does your IP look like?
22:53<Moleboy>from ifconfig?
22:53<Moleboy>inet addr: mask:
22:53<Moleboy>it's not working.
22:54<jordanm>Moleboy: that lo, does eth0 show up?
22:54<Moleboy>nor does eth1
22:54<Moleboy>so we've discovered it doesn't work
22:55<Moleboy>what do we DO about it is the question?
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22:57<Moleboy>sorry, just a tad frustrated jordanm, don't mean to take it out on you x.x
22:57<jordanm>Moleboy: does it show up with ifconfig -a?
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22:57<pipe>What are you even trying to do?
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22:59<jordanm>pipe: upgrade to squeeze. I typically advise against it for a new user such as him but unfortunately the upgrade is required for hardware support
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23:02<Moleboy>I mean
23:02<Moleboy>my address is still
23:02<Moleboy>and mask is still
23:02<Moleboy>jordanm: I still don't get why I can't just download squeeze and install straight, but you know best @.@
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23:04<pipe>Soon a lot of people will upgrade to squeeze, good to have stuff worked out ;)
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23:04<Moleboy>I guess my college essays can wait one more day XD
23:05<Moleboy>so jordanm what's the next step? I'm up for it :-)
23:06<Moleboy>you sure you don't want to continue this?
23:06<Moleboy>I got all night, sorry if I'm a tad on edge though :-(
23:06<Moleboy>It's just been now about 24 hours and I want my computer XD
23:07<Moleboy>jordanm, this is it, unless you want to continue, it's about to end
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23:07<Moleboy>or continue, rather
23:07<jordanm>Moleboy: unfortunately, I do not have all night
23:08<jordanm>interview tomarrow
23:08<bja>jordanm: good luck
23:08*jordanm might finally get the "linux systems administrator" title
23:08<jordanm>hey bja! thanks :)
23:08<bja>!coffee jordanm
23:08*dpkg decants a fine broth of hippy-blend Colombian for jordanm, courtesy of bja
23:09<Moleboy>jordanm best of luck, and you deserve it jordanm, and best of luck on your interview :-)
23:09<Moleboy>I apologize for taking up a lot of your time :-)
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23:10<jordanm>Moleboy: no need to apologize, it was my pleasure
23:11<Moleboy>I really do appreciate it jordanm
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23:12<pipe>get a room
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23:22<Skro>hi :)
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