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#debian IRC Logs for 2010-09-23

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00:41<arrtg>hi all!
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00:44<arrtg>and silence again =D
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00:47<arrtg>hey, does someone use uzbl? =)
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00:52<jpinx-eeepc>it's nite-tim e in USA ;)
00:53<jpinx-eeepc>!poll
00:53<dpkg>"Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a good question that IRC helpers can answer. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls>.
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01:48<amakusa>let say that I dont have access to the internet on a debian box, and I have a nother computer with internet access, can I download a package and all its dependencies in one single download to copy them to the debian computer??
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01:50<jm_>amakusa: yes
01:51<amakusa>jm_: how?
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01:54<jm_>amakusa: apt-cache show apt-zip
01:55<amakusa>jm_: that will tell aptitude to check for downloaded packages?
01:56<jm_>amakusa: did you read its description?
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01:56<arrtg>hi all
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02:00<amakusa>jm_: I just did, and I see what you mean now, but the thing is that the computer with internet access does not have debian on it, so that means that if I want to install xorg for example and I dont have a debian installer CD, I would need to download the dependancy packages one by one right?
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02:06<knawell>amakusa: you can boot debian (or ubuntu or other) from live-CD on the computer with internet access and download packeges "jm_"-way
02:07<jpinx-eeepc>amakusa: what os is on the internet connected machine?
02:07<amakusa>knawell: the thing is that I dont' have that media available
02:08<jpinx-eeepc>iirc windows has a connection sharing facility
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02:08<amakusa>I am
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02:09<jpinx-eeepc>amakusa: so your windows box can share it's connecction if you can cable your boxes together
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02:11<amakusa>jpinx-eeepc : that is true, that sounds like a plan
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02:12<jpinx-eeepc>amakusa: then you can actually do a prooper netinstall ;)
02:12<jpinx-eeepc>Oooo
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02:14<jm_>amakusa: that computer doesn't need to run debian at all
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02:25<arrtg>so many users and no talks :D
02:26*cthuluh was enjoying the silence
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02:27<jpinx-eeepc>Pffffft!
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02:39<dserban_>anyone know if rsync has a windows version?
02:39<jm_>no, not anyone does and yes, there is one
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02:40<arrtg>yes have....look at rsync site
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02:41<Monotoko>hi
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02:42<arrtg>hello
02:42<Monotoko>hi
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02:44<arrtg>does anyone have lenovo ThinkPad laptop?
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02:45<lau>hello, how can I determine the last time fsck ran on a machine ?
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02:46<jpinx-ee1pc>lau: if it was by you - your bash history?
02:46<lau>is this the Last checked parameter returned by tune2fs -l /dev/sda1 ?
02:47<jm_>lau: for extX fs use dumpe2fs or tune2fs
02:47<lau>hello jpinx-ee1pc thanks for your answer, it ran after reboot
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02:48<jpinx-ee1pc>lau: np :)
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02:49<lau>hello jm_ , is Last checked the param I am looking for ? it says Thu Jul 15 18:15:59 2010
02:49<lau>and Check interval: 15552000 (6 months)
02:50<jm_>lau: yes
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02:58<prem>can debian ported on a blackfin dsp processor..?
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03:07<arrtg>read this http://www.tldp.org/Hardware-HOWTO/cpu.html
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03:14<arthur_>Hello!
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03:15<arthur_>I have some trouble with debian 5.0.6 - after KDE 3.5 intalling I don't see any cursor.
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03:16<arrtg>hello do you try to find some info at debianwiki?
03:17<arthur_>Xserver works properly and all programs too. When I hover buttons - they are highlighted
03:18<arrtg>you looked at xorg.conf?
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03:19<arthur_>there are only "Configured Mouse" with driver mouse...
03:20<arrtg>what drivers are there?
03:20<jm_>try disabling hwcursor
03:20<arthur_>simple browsing without cursor wery trouble
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03:21<arthur_>10secs
03:22<arthur_>http://pastebin.com/VKz8iMvB
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03:23<arthur_>how to disable it?
03:23<arthur_>jm_
03:24<arrtg>change mouse driver to /dev/input/mice
03:24<jm_>arthur_: it's an option for your video driver
03:24<arthur_>simple change "mouse" with /dev/input/mice"?
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03:26<arrtg>i have same problem at arch and changing driver works
03:26<arrtg>yes
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03:27<arthur_>changed. But still transparent
03:27<arrtg>you restart x?
03:27<arthur_>yes
03:28<arrtg>what connection type your mouse have?
03:28<arthur_>usb a4tech nb50
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03:28<arthur_>uuups nb-75d
03:29<arrtg>you make your own kernel?
03:30<arthur_>no. simple 1cd from cdimage folder on debian.org with clear install and then aptitude install kde kdm xorg gpm
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03:30<arthur_>maybe gpm?
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03:30<arrtg>mb...you tried yo disable it?
03:31<arthur_>no. wait
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03:32<arthur_>arrtg, it doesn't work...
03:34<arthur_>this is not my first installation of debian, but this problem is
03:34<arthur_>what can I do to turn on this cursor?
03:36<arrtg>oh!
03:37<arrtg>you disabled HWCursor?
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03:39<arthur_>How??
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03:41<arrtg>sec
03:41<jm_>it's typically called HWCursor - read the man page for your video driver
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03:41<jm_>but some drivers use SWCursor instead
03:42<arrtg>in Section "Device" Identifier "Configured Video Device" add option Option "HWCursor" "off"
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03:45<arthur_>Yahoo!! Thanks! HWCursor off and now all works! Thank you
03:45<arrtg>=)
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03:59<Vivek>When I try to remove the Debian Gforge Packages I get the following errors
04:01<Vivek>http://debian.pastebin.com/4F58kngE
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04:03<Vivek>Should I install the include.pl some how ?
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05:23<archit>hi
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05:38<arrtg>who knows when squeeze releases?
05:39<themill>!wwsr
05:39<dpkg>Squeeze is now frozen and will release <WIR>, <SIYH>. See http://lists.debian.org/20100806134418.GC9183@halon.org.uk and http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100806 . Ask me about <squeeze bet>.
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05:46<arrtg>oh =(
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05:56<Newbumz>Hi guys. So anyone up?
05:56<Newbumz>Wondering if I found a bug not sure what to do about it.
05:57<petemc>check the bug tracking system
05:58<Newbumz>Hrm not sure how to do that... Mind if I just explain it?
05:59<petemc>you dont need my permission :)
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06:00<daveh>morning chaps
06:00<daveh>am i right in saying that this page is out of date and wrong? http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/336
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06:01<newbumzz>So I installed Squeeze i386, um vanila xfce, and said no root acct. I have installed grub2 and upstart if that matters. When in grub I choose 2.6.32-5-686 (recovery mode) It drops me into root shell without passwords or anything.
06:02<jm_>how does recovery mode entry in grub config look like>
06:03<newbumzz>menuentry 'Debian GNU/Linux, with Linux 2.6.32-5-686 (recovery mode)' --class debian --class gnu-linux --class gnu --class os {
06:03<newbumzz> insmod part_msdos
06:03<newbumzz> insmod ext2
06:03<newbumzz> set root='(hd0,msdos8)'
06:03<newbumzz> search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set 7bded9eb-0a5a-4666-85e0-7a490884cd07
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06:04<newbumzz>woops. get that?
06:04<jm_>no
06:05<newbumzz>What line would you like I got kicked for flooding
06:05<jm_>just put it on a pastebin like dpkg told you
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06:06<newbumzz>http://paste.debian.net/91225/
06:07<jm_>that looks OK - is it the same without upstart?
06:07<jm_>and you're sure it wasn't initramfs prompt?
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06:09<koollman>ohh... I feel anger. Can someone explain me what is happening with this bug http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=595728 ? Why isn't it fixed yet ?
06:09<newbumzz>bleh keep getting kicked
06:09<newbumzz>The recovery drops me into full root on the HD
06:10<newbumzz>I am at my friends right now and his recovery comes up with a ansii menu to do stuff. This is like when I sudo su.
06:10<jm_>right, so possibly try it without upstart
06:11<newbumzz>Is it safe to switch back from upstart to sysV?
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06:12<keekdown>привет!
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06:12<keekdown>есть кто?
06:13<keekdown>помощь нужна
06:13<themill>!ru
06:13<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net. or use English here.
06:13<jm_>no idea, I haven't tried upstart yet
06:15<themill>koollman: it's fixed in volatile already; it can't be fixed in lenny itself until the next point release. (And for git, I'd use the newer one from backports in any case; /msg dpkg bdo)
06:15<newbumzz>Well guess I will try.. I will be back or I won't....
06:15<fmstereo>привет
06:15<f8l>!tell fmstereo about ru
06:15<fmstereo>ok
06:15<jm_>why are you using upstart?
06:16<newbumzz>Wanted to see if it was faster on a laptop
06:16<koollman>themill: what's the point of not fixing a broken package ? I can somehow understand the argument for not changing versions ... but this is just a packaging error, an added modification that shouldn't have been made in the first place...
06:16<newbumzz>Ok brb hopefully
06:16<jm_>i doubt it is any faster
06:16<themill>koollman: perhaps you should actually read the bug log then
06:16<koollman>I did.
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06:16<themill>koollman: so you know that it is not an added modification
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06:19<koollman>themill: well... I thought the point of security packages was to pick the security fixes and not the other changes.
06:19<themill>koollman: but in any case, there is no way of replacing a single package like that in the stable distribution. It's not supposed to be done and it is not done. We have volatile and security for quick updates to packages and point releases for non-security updates. This isn't a security issue so it's on volatile.
06:20<themill>koollman: it's not another change... it was a umask problem on the builder's machine.
06:20<koollman>themill: and ? how's that not a correctable error ? shipping broken packages on security ?
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06:20<jm_>hopefully this will have a positivie outcome - packages should be built on official build systems only ;)
06:20<themill>jm_: quite
06:21<themill>koollman: what CVE number are you going to put on the announcement for uploading it to the security archive?
06:21<koollman>themill: 'woops, that was built with wrong permissions' ? :)
06:22<petemc>NaN
06:22<themill>koollman: that's not exactly a security issue. It's not suitable for an upload to security.d.o.
06:22<themill>koollman: seriously... people are working on fixing this problem properly. For the time being, there's packages on volatile or on backports. There's nothing else to discuss on the matter.
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06:22<koollman>I can agree with the procedure, but then the procedure should forbid errors ... and since it can't ...
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06:24<themill>koollman: it's called testing. the release team have been asking end-users to test thing out of s-p-u for a while now to try to avoid precisely this sort of outcome. Perhaps you can help? /msg dpkg s-p-u
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06:24<Newbumzz>back. So reinstalling sysV worked fine no probs. Is now booting with sysV same issue in recovery. It drops me into root, last message is "Sulogin: Root account is locked, starting shell"
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06:25<jm_>ahh, if I saw this error earlier I wouldn't recommend removing upstart
06:26<Newbumzz>Ah well going back to sysv worked but the issue still persists
06:26<Newbumzz>I just don't understand why you drop straight to root by choosing recovery
06:26<jm_>read man page for sulogin to find out why
06:27<jm_>under FALLBACK METHODS
06:28<Newbumzz>Oh... that does not make sense.
06:28<jm_>so it looks like all you need to do is fix root account
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06:30<Newbumzz>k thanks brb... Still a silly thing to allow to even scary long bearded sociopaths.
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06:30<jm_>I guess
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06:33<Newbumzz>Well thanks a lot, that fixed it feel kinda dumb now.
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06:35<jm_>no worries
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07:53<_Dave>building the experimental perl 5.12.2, it doesn't seem to require libzip as it should
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07:54<_Dave>libbzip-dev
07:54<_Dave>wait
07:54<_Dave>libbz2-dev
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08:03<blowback>_Dave: If you mean dependencies, they should get pulled in.
08:03<_Dave>ok, bug then
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08:05<_Dave>is there no web bug filing interface?
08:05<bremner>err. no.
08:05<bremner>notabug
08:05<_Dave>what is it then?
08:05<_Dave>a missingdep?
08:06<bremner>well, "debian/rules build" just runs a makefile. installing build-deps is the job of something else.
08:06<blowback>Right.. it's all about how the author's tooled their script to pull in dependencies.
08:07<bremner>you can either install them in your live system (but then you are stuck with them)
08:07<bremner>blowback: do you actually know about the debian package building process?
08:07*blowback just woke up and sips coffee.
08:07<bremner>_Dave: or you can use a chroot based system like pbuilder
08:07<bremner>or cowbuilder, or sbuild
08:09<blowback>Ah, package building. My bad. I misread it as compiling.
08:10<bremner>_Dave: aptitude build-depends is one solution
08:11<_Dave>all i'm saying is that i started to build this package and it coughed due to a missing dep
08:11<_Dave>is this a problem that should be reported?
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08:12<bremner>no
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09:33<_Dave>bremner: what i wanted was: apt-get build-dep perl
09:33<_Dave>to get deps
09:33<_Dave>build deps
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10:01<bremner>[09:10] <bremner> _Dave: aptitude build-depends is one solution
10:02<_Dave>TMTOWTDI
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10:03<bremner>of course. But, if someone gives you the solution, and you seem to ignore that, it is a bit irritating.
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10:05<_Dave>i'm trying to work through the documentation
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10:05<_Dave> apt-get build-dep perl is mentiond
10:06<_Dave>dpkg-buildpackage -D is also helpful
10:06<_Dave>trust me, i have an inch-thick stack of documents here
10:08<bremner>_Dave: #debian-mentors may be a better channel for packaging questions
10:08<_Dave>ok
10:08<_Dave>ta
10:08<_Dave>but i'm happy just whining
10:08<_Dave>am making progress in understanding this
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10:12<drokmed>greetings programs
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10:17<Lantizia>Lo, what are these debian update discs? if there were updates wouldn't they be 5.0.7 ?
10:18<Lantizia>e.g. debian-update-5.0.6-i386-CD-1.iso vs debian-506-i386-CD-1.iso
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10:21<Lantizia>is it like lenny-n-half or something? a more up to date kernel ... although that would not explain 7 discs worth
10:21<Lantizia>what on earth are these! there is no explanation anywhere from what I can see
10:21<f8l>Lantizia: They contain packages which are on newer version and are not in the old.
10:21<Lantizia>f8l, so newer than 5.0.6?
10:21<f8l>Lantizia: They are meant for off-line updates.
10:22<f8l>Lantizia: No.
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10:22<jordanm>Lantizia: 5.0.0 -> 5.0.6
10:22<Lantizia>f8l, then I still don't get it
10:22<Lantizia>jordanm, no one has mentioned 5.0.0
10:23<jordanm>Lantizia: thats what the "update" cd includes. the updates between those versions
10:23<Lantizia>aaah ! but YOU have
10:23<Lantizia>right I get it... it's like patching a 5.0.0 to 5.0.6
10:23<jordanm>yes. cd is only needed if the machine does not have internet
10:23<Lantizia>ok I'll continue with the usual download I normally get then
10:24<f8l>Lantizia: What are you going to do?
10:24<Lantizia>is a lenny-n-half still happening do we know? or given squeeze is now frozen... not bother?
10:24<jpinx-eeepc>surely if you do aptitude update and full-upgrade on both boxes they wwill end up the same?
10:24<Lantizia>f8l, get the normal debian-506-i386-CD-1.iso for anew install
10:25<f8l>Lantizia: Do you have some older discs?
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10:25<Lantizia>f8l, yes but this is a remote location on a virtual platform so I need the ISO
10:26<jordanm>Lantizia: I am not sure about lennynhalf. there is a wiki page about it, but it seems to have not been updated in a while
10:26<f8l>Lantizia: I just wanted to suggest using jigdo. It speeds up things a lot.
10:27<jpinx-eeepc>Lantizia: netinstall?
10:27<Lantizia>it's ok already downloading - right now I need to pop to the shops
10:27<Lantizia>jpinx-eeepc, normally I would get that yeah - but this is for a very picky customer who wants standard :)
10:27<jpinx-eeepc>Lantizia: ;)
10:27<Lantizia>bbl
10:28<_Dave>if i want to apt-get source something from experimental, what's the incantation for that?
10:28<jordanm>_Dave: -t <repo>
10:29<f8l>_Dave: `apt-get -t experimental source something``
10:29<_Dave>ah, not source foo/experimental :)
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10:30<f8l>_Dave: This may also work.
10:30<_Dave>apt-get -t experimental source perl gives E: Ignore unavailable target release 'experimental' of package 'perl'
10:31<jordanm>_Dave: at the proper line to your sources
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10:31<efaistos>hi why do I get that http://gist.github.com/593696 trying to install postfix ?
10:31<_Dave>jordanm: huh?
10:32<alexl>hey all: anyone else getting 'snd: Unknown symbol compat_alloc_user_space' after the kernel security update from a few days ago? tried rebuilding the kernel from deb sources, but ran into issues bootstrapping it into grub's menu list (file not found when attempting to boot)
10:32<jordanm>_Dave: you don't have deb-src line for experimental in your sources
10:32<_Dave>ah
10:32<_Dave>that /etc/apt file
10:32<alexl>apperntly its due to the ABI change, but im suprised showed up in stable...
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10:35<_Dave>jordanm: where can i grab experimental url's from?
10:35<jordanm>!mirrors
10:35<dpkg>debian mirrors is, like, http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/, see also <debmirror>, <apt-mirror>, <mirror size>.
10:36<jordanm>_Dave: see the official mirror list, although, you should probably continue to use the same mirror you are already using
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10:36<_Dave>sure
10:36<babilen>!tell efaistos -about bat
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10:39<_Dave>jordanm: uh, how then do i specify expoerimental?
10:39<_Dave>http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/ - nothing there
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10:40<bremner>that would be because ubuntu isn't debian
10:40<efaistos>hmm an apt-get remove exim4 and apt-get install postfix
10:40<efaistos>worked
10:40<jordanm>!tell _Dave about ubuntu
10:40<_Dave>bremner: that would do it :)
10:41<jordanm>_Dave: copy the deb-src line for lenny or w/e change "lenny" to "experimental"
10:41<_Dave>jordanm: understood
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10:42<alexl>jordanm: would the same go for testing? s/lenny/testing/ and then apt-get -t testing <op> <pkg>?
10:42<alexl>er, copy/paste, then s/lenny/testing/ on the pasted line in apt/sources.list
10:43<jordanm>alexl: you don't want to do that for non source repositories, but yes
10:43<jordanm>unless you are trying to upgrade to testing
10:43<jordanm>!tell alexl about why aptitude
10:44<alexl>jordanm: trying to get a different kernel actually. current stable has busted sound support on my install
10:44<jordanm>alexl: you want the bdo kernel
10:44<jordanm>!bdo
10:44<dpkg>backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ to enable and use. See also <bdo key> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo kernel> <bdo users> <bdo pinning>. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100905
10:44<alexl>ah! thanks
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10:44<qq->, kernel
10:44<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.35-trunk-686 (2.6.35-1~experimental.3); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-23); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-23); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-23~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-25lenny1); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2)
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10:47<alexl>jordanm: guess i get to do the nvidia patch dance then? got a 2.6.32-bpo.5-openvz-amd64, but no corrosponding -nvidia build in bpo :/
10:48<jordanm>alexl: you can build the nvidia modules for the kernel using the nvidia-kernel-source package
10:48<jordanm>alexl: m-a a-i nvidia-kernel-source (while running the new kernel)
10:48<alexl>yup, thats the aforementioned nvidia patch dance ;)
10:49<alexl>got used to being pampered with the prebuild nv kernels
10:49<jordanm>standard procedure to me
10:50<alexl>so ill need the linux-headers pkg as well as the linux image, but not the src packages, right?
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10:53<jordanm>alexl: m-a takes care of that for you
10:54<alexl>ah, sweet
10:55<alexl>argh. grub fails with error 15: file not found on the 2.6.32-bpo kernel..
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10:56<alexl>update grub is in the kpkg config... do i need to run update-initramdisk as well manually?
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10:57<jordanm>alexl: can you still boot the old kernel?
10:57<alexl>yup
10:57<jordanm>alexl: pastebin your /boot/grub/menu.lst
10:58<alexl>all the files refernced in menu.list exist in /boot
10:58<alexl>k, 1 moment
10:58<jordanm>update-grub is rather simple, it just looks for /boot/vmlinuz-<version> and makes a new entry...
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11:00<alexl>jordanm: http://foobarbang.pastebin.com/ns5d70Vg
11:00<alexl>jordanm: stripped comments, let me know if you want the entire thing
11:00<jordanm>alexl: update-grub reads the comments, so they are important
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11:02<jordanm>alexl: that looks fine. does /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.32-bpo.5-openvz-amd64 exist?
11:02<alexl>jordanm: http://foobarbang.pastebin.com/mTG9qHiD for the full file
11:02<alexl>jordanm: yup, thats why i put the dir listing in
11:03<jordanm>alexl: your / is ext2?
11:03<alexl>and the lables are the same between 2.6.26 and 2.6.32
11:03<alexl>yeah, SSD
11:04<alexl>rsync'd hourly to a NAS; most of data lies on /media/raid ext3 raid 1
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11:04<jordanm>alexl: looks fine. try reinstalling grub with grub-install
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11:05<alexl>done and rebooting
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11:05<blackxored>Hi, can someone tell me if there's any of you who have succesfully installed and running xen 4 on debian squeeze
11:06<blackxored>?
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11:06<alexl>jordanm: still fails with file not found :/
11:06<alexl>(usually this stuff goes off without a hitch.. apperntly its not my week to be doing updates...)
11:06<jordanm>strange
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11:08<blackxored>any of you??
11:09<alexl>oh bollocks
11:09<supplicant>blackxored: why, are you having a problem?
11:10<blackxored>supplicant, yep I can't boot
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11:10<alexl>i bet my device map is mucked up. md0 (sda0, sdb0) was my /boot dir, but that was swapped over to sdc0 a while ago. md0 has 2.6.26-2 bits, but thats it. sdc0 has 2.6.26-2 and 2.6.32-5 bits
11:11<blackxored>supplicant, I have acpi problems, If i turn it off it boots, but with a lot of problems, i'm using debian squeeze (debootstrapped) x86 with xen-hypervisor-4.0-amd64
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11:12<alexl>and the old raid parts were marked active.. so i bet grub-install was thunking to sdc0, but the bios was picking up md0's child parts
11:12<alexl>which would explain all my ABI woes, as well as why i couldnt find anyone else getting busted systems from the upgrades in the forum...
11:13<qq->alexl, try #grub on irc.freenode.net
11:13<jordanm>alexl: yep, I haven't seen that before.
11:13<supplicant>blackxored: shouldn't you be using an amd64 image of squeeze?
11:14<jordanm>qq-: I wouldn't be suprised is upstream not longer supports debian's grub
11:15<blackxored>supplicant, I was told I can run amd64 hypervisor in 32 bit hosts, I mean my CPU is 64-bit capable, but I wanted to run both 32/64 bits guests
11:15<qq->jordanm, right , only grub-pc
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11:15<blackxored>supplicant, it's actually xen-hypervisor-4.0-amd64_i386
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11:17<gigo_>hi all can i install on ubuntu 10.04 php5.2.x ?
11:17<gigo_>it install php5.3
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11:18<blowback>!ubuntu
11:18<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
11:18<jordanm>gigo_: debian stable (what is supported here) has php5.2
11:20<alexl>jordanm: yup, that was it. copied /boot to md0 and everything is happy. not sure why boot grup and runtime grub have different ideas on what hd2 means...
11:21<supplicant>blackxored: and what is meant by "won't boot"
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11:21<supplicant>do you get any error output of any kind?
11:21<blackxored>supplicant, it says error on IOAPIC, then fails on /sbin/modprobe -b acpi:LNXCPU, and then it hangs on my mouse detection forever
11:22<blackxored>supplicant, you're are running xen 4 on squeeze
11:22<blackxored>?
11:23<supplicant>no, I had played around with xen 3 on lenny
11:23<alexl>jordanm: yup, now my snd card is happy with 2.6.26. thx for all the help!
11:23<supplicant>although I recall my squeeze kernel having an IOAPIC error
11:24<supplicant>which I corrected by compiling a newer kernel from source
11:24<jordanm>alexl: good to see
11:28<supplicant>blackxored: you could possibly try a different version of Xen or a different kernel
11:28<supplicant>beyond that I can't be of any further assistance
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11:42<blackxored>supplicant, I did compile a new kernel, the one from jeremy's linux-2.6-xen.git, won't boot either
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11:57<mmestnik>Hello, I'm looking for some documentation to put in my README file about using Debian for the first time.
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11:58<mmestnik>One issue inperticular I'm wanting to cover is the /usr/share/doc folder, http://localhost/doc, ect.
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11:59<mmestnik>Is there a document that explains this or would I have to write it?
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12:01<mmestnik>http://pastebin.com/EKV0MGG6
12:01<mmestnik>That's what I have so far.
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12:11<ml|>http://ftp.us.debian.org/ is acting screwy today for me, anyone else experiencing the same?
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12:31<shiznatix>Hi. I have an external HD that I have my music on. I accidentally "moved to trash" from rhythembox all of my music. I checked and I have a folder on this HD called .Trash-1000 with the files and a folder called "info" that has where the files where. Is there some program that can "restore" the files back to their original location?
12:32<blowback>shiznatix: your trashbin should offer the option to restore.
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12:34<shiznatix>blowback, there is no trashbin for this HD, I don't see any at least
12:35<shiznatix>blowback, even in the regular trash, I don't see an option to restore
12:35<blowback>shiznatix: Um, what about your generic trashbin? Any option to restore there?
12:35<blowback>Hmm, then perhaps the trash has been orphaned.
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12:40<shiznatix>I don't want to get into anything like that, just looking for a simple program that will read the text file and get the file name then take that file and put it back to its original location
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12:45<mmestnik><ml|> This may just be the mirror you are getting. Do a look-up on that address and use one of the addresses directly.
12:45<mmestnik>This channel is dead today :/
12:46<jww_>right.
12:46<jpinx-eeepc>?
12:46<ml|>mmestnik: will take a look, thanks
12:47<mmestnik>jpinx-eeepc: As in not healthy with lively chatter or useful insight.
12:50<ml|>mmestnik: have looked at the debian-reference?
12:50<mmestnik>The Free-node channel is doing well.
12:50<ml|>*you
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12:50<mmestnik>Yes, I did thought I'm looking for a specific part.
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12:52<mmestnik>I'm trying to do a reverse look-up, I already know what I need to know... It's just a matter of finding it documented.
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12:54<mmestnik>debian policy 11.5
12:54<mmestnik>debian policy 11.5.2
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12:57<mmestnik>Aww man, for my project it needs to be accessible from the host OS. So I just removed the access restriction... I pray that there are not any problems making this open, like packages putting scripts or something here.
12:58<bja>mmestnik: What are you trying to acomplish ?
12:58<mmestnik>Hello, I'm looking for some documentation to put in my README file about using Debian for the first time.
12:59<mmestnik>One issue particularity I'm wanting to cover is the /usr/share/doc folder, http://localhost/doc, ect.
12:59<mmestnik>My project made a shortcut to "http://localhost/doc/" when it installs and configured coLinux.
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13:00<mmestnik>I didn't think about it till now, but I guess the private 10 network used should have been what I used.
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13:01<mmestnik>Though the goal of my project is to provide Nagios to windows users, so it's more then likely this will be running on a server and accessed remotely.
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13:02<blowback>mmestnik: Quickest, dirtiest way to facilitate that is via hamachi.
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13:05<mmestnik>blowback: I'm already using HTTPTunnel outside openvpn with puppet.
13:06<mmestnik>Vary lethal combination.
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13:06<blowback>mmestnik: Ah, slightly less ditry then :)
13:06<mmestnik>I'm not sure I'd say that.
13:06<blowback>From a Debian perspective, at least :)
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13:18<Dominus>Is there any way to check my download/upload rate on my server?
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13:20<jordanm>Dominus: iftop, ntop
13:20<blowback>Dominus: ethstats, iptraf
13:20<Dominus>O_o
13:20<Dominus>umm, thanks both of you :D
13:20<Dominus>I'll try all four of them :)
13:21<jordanm>Dominus: ntop, is most likely a no, better for monitoring an entire network, but can be useful for that case
13:21<blowback>saidar also, perhaps.
13:21<Dominus>it's says that there are no manual for iftop and ntop
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13:22<blowback>Dominus: also you might like etherape if you're running X.
13:22<jordanm>Dominus: did you install them?
13:22<blowback>Not quite the same scope, but useful nonetheless.
13:22<Dominus>jordanm - do I have to answer? =D
13:22<Dominus>blowback: X?
13:22<bremner>jnettop is another iptraf competitor
13:23<jordanm>Dominus: ntop is accessed via its own webserver. iftop is an interface like "top"
13:23<blowback>Dominus: X being your graphics subsystem.
13:23<Dominus>oh.
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13:23<Dominus>jordanm - what does that mean? Can i still install it with apt-get?
13:23<blowback>ie not terminal.
13:24<blowback>Dominus: without an app installed, you will have no man pages for said app.
13:24<Dominus>blowback: i know now
13:25<blowback>And install with aptitude is recommended.
13:25<blowback>Same syntax +- to apt-get.
13:26<blowback>!why aptitude
13:26<dpkg>aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>).
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13:29<pipe>+ it's one billion times slower, making it almost unusable on slow machines :P
13:29<babilen>!why not aptitude
13:29<dpkg>Many never use the curses frontend but it is still in the binary; aptitude is more memory intensive and slower than apt-get. Its resolver can sometimes produce unexpected results. Many features of aptitude are now in libapt and used by apt-get as well, so the differences between the two have reduced. That said, aptitude is still the best way of to get out of tight spots when running sid or upgrading between releases.
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13:34<Moleboy>Can someone help me with networking issues please?
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13:35<Moleboy>I finally got debian installed, and even did the netinst, which worked, but now it refuses to connect through my wired connectionn
13:35<kmap>Moleboy: Do you see eth0?
13:35<kmap>Moleboy: /sbin/ifconfig
13:37<Moleboy>I see eth0
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13:37<Moleboy>here, in network manager I think it is, it says this
13:38<Moleboy>name: auto-eth0: last used: never
13:38<Moleboy>my source of connection
13:38<Moleboy>is actually eth1 from what I'm seeing
13:38<Moleboy>I just don't know how to connect using eth1
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13:41<Moleboy>kmap?
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13:43<bja>Moleboy: How many nics does that piece of hw has ?
13:44<Moleboy>forgivce me bja, I'm extremely new to Linux in general...what is a nic?
13:44<bja>network card
13:44<blowback>network interface card.
13:44<Moleboy>Gotcha
13:45<Moleboy>oh hi blowback!
13:45<Moleboy>ok, I have eth0, eth1, and lo
13:45<Moleboy>is that what you were referring to?
13:45<blowback>(not Linux specific)
13:45<blowback>Hello Moleboy
13:45<Moleboy>Yea, I figured after he explained :-)
13:45<kmap>mercutio22: Back
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13:45<kmap>Oops
13:45<kmap>Sorry, Moleboy
13:46<Moleboy>hehe, no problem, s'all good
13:46<kmap>Moleboy: Next, you can try dhclient eth0
13:46<kmap>(or eth1, as the case may be)
13:46<Moleboy>command not found for either
13:46<kmap>Er, let me see
13:47<kmap>Are you /q dpkg
13:47<kmap>Oops
13:47<bja>Moleboy: isue this command as root /etc/init.d/network-manager stop && ifconfig eth0 up && dhclient eth0
13:48<bja>That will stop network manager, bring up eth0 (which i suppose is your hard wired nic) and it will tell it to look for an ip using dhcp
13:48<Moleboy>eth1 is the one I need
13:48<Moleboy>when I did ifconfig, it shows an IP that ISN'T 127.0.0.1
13:49<bja>Moleboy: is eth1 your wifi card ?
13:49<Moleboy>I have no wifi
13:49<bja>Moleboy: paste the output of ifconfig
13:49<Moleboy>eth0/eth1 both show up
13:49<Moleboy>ok
13:49<bja>!paste
13:49<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <paste2pastebin.pl>, <wgetpaste>.
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13:49<babilen>Moleboy: make that "ifconfig -a" :)
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13:55<mjt>Hello. Anyone know how to resize a partition in parted? It refuses resizing it, telling it does not support the filesystem type (ntfs) and suggest to use parted to "only" change the partition table itself, which is exactly what i want (the filesystem is already resized).
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13:57<Dominus>umm
13:57<Dominus>all the numbers in iftop.. what are they showing?
13:57<Moleboy>bja, blowback, kmap: http://paste.debian.net/91299/
13:58<Moleboy>babilen*
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13:59<mjt>it appears parted become useless.
14:00<kmap>Moleboy: Looks like eth1 is connected; is it to a router?
14:00<Moleboy>it goes like this
14:01<babilen>Moleboy: What kind of machine are we talking about here? Do you have 2 NICs in it?
14:01<Moleboy>modem>router>computer
14:01<Moleboy>Um, well, my motherboard (a DFI x48), has 2 ethernet ports.
14:01<kmap>So, you are not able to ping outside?
14:02<Moleboy>correct kmap
14:02<Moleboy>oh actually
14:02<babilen>Moleboy: You have a desktop machine and don't have to change your network settings often?
14:02<Moleboy>I just pinged google, and I got a response...
14:02<babilen>yay :)
14:02<kmap>Hah!
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14:03<Moleboy>Babilen, this is one of my first shots on Linux--so I'm not sure
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14:03<bja>Moleboy: route -n output should have something on the Gateway column can you paste it please
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14:04<Moleboy>Gateway: 0.0.0.0 (top row) 192.168.0.1 (bottom row)
14:05<babilen>Moleboy: My question has nothing to do with Linux -- I am just asking if you have a desktop machine which you won't move around (and therefore re-configure the network configuration)
14:05<Moleboy>I know my gateway, and I've been inside of my routers settings before.
14:05<Moleboy>I won't movce it around :-) it stays still
14:06<bja>Moleboy: chech that on the UseIface mentions eth1
14:06<Moleboy>wait what bja?
14:06<Moleboy>sorry x.x
14:07<babilen>Moleboy: Ok, great. I would remove network-manager in that case and configure your network in /etc/network/interfaces -- see http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration#SettingupanEthernetInterface and http://qref.sourceforge.net/quick/ch-gateway.en.html section 10.6
14:08<Moleboy>mmk
14:08<Moleboy>thank you very much babilen!
14:08<babilen>Moleboy: It basically boils down to "aptitude purge network-manager" and "auto eth0" + "iface eth0 inet dhcp" in /etc/network/interfaces
14:08<Moleboy>I see...
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14:08<Moleboy>ok, now that we've gotten that taken care of...my final issue!
14:09<babilen>Moleboy: Paste your /etc/network/interfaces if you have problems with that. But you still might want to read those documents.
14:09<Moleboy>I shall, I shall
14:09<Moleboy>I shall do that momentarily...but first...I am having some monitor trouble x.x
14:09<babilen>hehe -- information overflow eh‽
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14:10<Moleboy>no kidding babilen...well, I have 2 monitors, a 22" 1680x1050. and a 19" 1280x1024
14:10<babilen>I'll take one if that is a problem, but pray continue …
14:10<Moleboy>Not only can I not run them both side-by-side, my 1680x1050 display is extraordinarily laggy when I do anything...even though I finally got my graphics card driver installed (HD 4870
14:10<Moleboy>)
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14:11<marek3>good morning, any rsyslog experts available?
14:11<babilen>marek3: #rsyslog over at irc.freenode.net
14:11<marek3>thanks babilen, they're awfully quiet there
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14:12<Moleboy>Babilen, any ideas?
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14:13<babilen>Moleboy: Ok, lets start with the basics. Could you paste the output of "lspci -knn" and 'glxinfo|grep -ie "direct"' to a pastebin please.
14:14<Moleboy>sure
14:14<Moleboy>uno momento please
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14:16<Moleboy>holy crap that's huge...do you only want the part about my graphics card?
14:16<Dominus>What does the Rx and Tx in bwm-ng mean?
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14:16<koollman>Dominus: Rx:reception, Tx:emission (transmission)
14:16<Dominus>Tyvm :)
14:17<babilen>Moleboy: Yeah, you could just paste the line for your graphic card in here and tell me if you have "direct rendering: Yes" or "direct rendering: No"
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14:19<Moleboy>I'm having trouble
14:20<Moleboy>with the last command
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14:20<babilen>ok, what kind of trouble?
14:20<Moleboy>glxinfo|grep -ie "direct"
14:20<Moleboy>BadRequest (invalid request code or no such operation)
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14:21<Moleboy>http://pastebin.com/Z2nkXeRM
14:21<Moleboy>that's from the first one babilen
14:21<babilen>,pciid 1002:9440
14:21<judd>[1002:9440] is 'RV770 [Radeon HD 4870]' from 'ATI Technologies Inc' with kernel module 'ati-agp' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1002:9440 http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary and the out-of-tree 'fglrx' module.
14:22<babilen>Moleboy: Which driver did you install?
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14:22<jordanm>thats wrong, the lenny fglrx does not support that card
14:22<babilen>Moleboy: Or rather: what have you done so far?
14:23<Moleboy>I'm on squeeze for one
14:23<Moleboy>wait a minute...this isn't AGP
14:23<Moleboy>this is PCI-express @.@
14:23<blowback>He installed (successfully) ATI's 10.9
14:23<blowback>Maybe a kernel update screwed with them.
14:24<Moleboy>I have the CCC
14:24<Moleboy>(Catalyst Control Center, ATI's control scheme)
14:24<babilen>Moleboy: Chaos Computer Club?
14:24<babilen>ah :)
14:24<blowback>Moleboy: Do you get a segfault if you run glxgears in X?
14:25<babilen>Well, I know nothing about ati's drivers. It might be worth to take a look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log though ..
14:25<Moleboy>@.@
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14:25<Moleboy>*over my head blowback*
14:25<babilen>blowback: BadRequest (invalid request code or no such operation) (on glxinfo invocation)
14:25<blowback>babilen: Ah, then an update's dicked with them.
14:25<blowback>Moleboy: You need to reinstall 10.9
14:25<Moleboy>might we go about reinstalling or fixing?
14:25<babilen>Moleboy: Relax, kick off your shoes and don't worry :)
14:26<Moleboy>hehe, any chance you can aid me in such matters?!
14:26<blowback>same routine as yesterday, Moleboy.
14:26<blowback>Just run the 10.9 installer.
14:26<Moleboy>right, but should I delete them before installing?
14:26<Moleboy>If not, then I can just scroll up in IRC and get the commands
14:26<blowback>Moleboy: No.
14:26<blowback>No need.
14:27<jordanm>blowback: the 10.9 installer? as-in the not debian package that is not supported here?
14:27<babilen>blowback: Is that card not supported by either fglrx or radeon on lenny and you therefore installed ATI's drivers?
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14:27<Moleboy>wait
14:27<Moleboy>does squeeze==lenny?
14:27<jordanm>no
14:27<ml|>no
14:27<babilen>Moleboy: No
14:27<babilen>NOOO!
14:27<pipe>MOOOH
14:27<Moleboy>hehe, oh here it comes.
14:28<Moleboy>Want me to reinstall using lenny?
14:28<babilen>Moleboy: Squeeze is the name of the next Debian release
14:28<jordanm>no
14:28<Moleboy>That's what I figured, and thus was confused
14:28<pipe>Moleboy: Weren't you told to upgrade to squeeze on this channel?
14:28<jordanm>Moleboy: pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log
14:28<Moleboy>Indeed I was pipe
14:28<babilen>Moleboy: No, don't reinstall
14:28<jordanm>yes, by me
14:28<Moleboy>jordanm I have no internet yet.
14:28<Moleboy>here
14:28<jordanm>Moleboy: why is that?
14:29<Moleboy>I'll go ahead and get my internet running, then I'll work on this
14:29<babilen>Moleboy: I thought you could ping just fine ?-)
14:29<pipe>Moleboy: It's actually amazing how one can break squeeze as much as you have :)
14:29<blowback>babilen: That's about the size of it, yes. No support for the card, plus the Catalyst drivers are a surefire hit with a newb suffering from no graphics and no VTs.
14:29<Moleboy>nevermind
14:30<Moleboy>hehe, pipe, it's a gift really.
14:30<Moleboy>I do have internet, so here goes the pastebinit
14:30<Moleboy>!pastebin
14:30<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <paste2pastebin.pl>, <wgetpaste>.
14:30<Moleboy>!pastebinit
14:30<dpkg>[pastebinit] a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>; convenient if you don't have a graphical interface. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit".
14:30<ml|>Moleboy: /msg dpkg selftell
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14:30<Moleboy>Sorry about that, thanks for the information :-)
14:31<ml|>np
14:32<babilen>Ok, enough people working on this. I'll head home and will be back later. Good luck Moleboy and may you all have a nice adjust_timezone(evening)
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14:32<Moleboy>Thanks babilen! I appreciate it :-)
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14:33<Moleboy>http://pastebin.com/ERR0B6ds
14:33<Moleboy>to blowback, jordanm
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14:38<blowback>Moleboy: Did you try the 10.9 install?
14:38<Moleboy>Not yet
14:38<Moleboy>I shall do so right now
14:38<Moleboy>hang on, brb, bathroom x.x
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14:45<jordanm>Moleboy: kernel module (fglrx.ko) may be missing or incompatible
14:45<jordanm>Moleboy: which kernel module package did you install?
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14:49<Moleboy>I didn't install any fglrx.ko
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14:49<Moleboy>hang on
14:49<Moleboy>about to install drivers
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14:52<tus>hello?
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14:53<tuseroni>ah i see
14:53<tuseroni>ircing from netcat yay!
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14:53<Moleboy>blowback, jordanm, I can't redownload the the ati drivers
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14:54<Moleboy>I already tried running what I already had here, but that failed, so I tried to redownload, and that failed.
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14:54<tuseroni>though its something of a pain
14:54<tuseroni>though the novelty of it is fun
14:54<tuseroni>it lacks something of practicality
14:55<jordanm>Moleboy: you need to install fglrx-kernel-dkms
14:55<tuseroni>though i could implement an irc client with sh...
14:55<Moleboy>Nevermind--typo, jordanm, blowback
14:55<jordanm>Moleboy: you seem to lack the kernel module
14:55<tuseroni>that would be cool ^_^
14:55<Moleboy>Jordanm, should I install the drivers then fglrx-kernel-dkms, or what?
14:55<Moleboy>which first?
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14:56<Moleboy>jordanm?
14:56<tuseroni>i should be working...
14:56<Moleboy>working is overrated! you have netcat!
14:57<tuseroni>good bye all. just wanted to see if i could irc through netcat
14:57<tuseroni>lulz...true that
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14:57<Moleboy>adios tuseroni, have a good day. enjoy your netcat :-)
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14:59<Moleboy>jordanm? you there? which should I do first?
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15:01<jordanm>Moleboy: first?
15:01<jordanm>Moleboy: just install that package, and it should compile the kernel module for you, which should be all you are missing
15:01<jordanm>Moleboy: if you are referring to the other person that was suggesting you install drivers from ati.com, that is plain wrong and will cause conflicts with the debian packages
15:02<jordanm>Moleboy: if you do so, your support will be #ati on irc.freenode.net, not here
15:03<Moleboy>I tried aptitude install fglrx-kernel-dkms...,
15:03<jordanm>Moleboy: also, I am working, which is why my responses will not be very fast
15:03<jordanm>Moleboy: and?
15:03<Moleboy>Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched fglrx-kernel-dkms
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15:04<Moleboy>jordanm: Any other way to go about getting it?
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15:04<jordanm>,versions fglrx-kernel-dkms
15:04<blowback>jordanm: Actually, that method gave Moleboy more joy than anything else he tried. ;)
15:04<judd>Sorry, no package named 'fglrx-kernel-dkms' was found in i386.
15:05<jordanm>,versions fglrx-kernel-dkms --release squeeze
15:05<judd>Sorry, no package named 'fglrx-kernel-dkms' was found in i386.
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15:05*blowback tum tee tums.
15:05<jordanm>Moleboy: sorry, fglrx-modules-dkms
15:05<Moleboy>ahhh ok
15:05<jordanm>blowback: that doesn't make it right
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15:06<blowback>jordanm: the catalyst drivers have native debian support.
15:07<Moleboy>couldn't find any package named fglrx-modules-dkms
15:08<jordanm>blowback: debian does not support it
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15:08<jordanm>,versions fglrx-modules-dkms
15:08<judd>Package fglrx-modules-dkms on i386 -- lenny-backports/non-free: 1:10-4-1~bpo50+1; squeeze/non-free: 1:10-7-1; sid/non-free: 1:10-9-2
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15:08<jordanm>,versions fglrx-modules-dkms --arch amd64
15:08<judd>Package fglrx-modules-dkms on amd64 -- squeeze/non-free: 1:10-7-1; sid/non-free: 1:10-9-2
15:08<jordanm>Moleboy: is non-free enabled in /etc/apt/sources.list?
15:09<Moleboy>that is a very good question
15:09<Moleboy>uno momento
15:09<Moleboy>I nano'd into the file
15:09<Moleboy>and I see nothing about free
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15:09<Moleboy>how would I go about enabling non-free?
15:10<pipe>vi /etc/apt/sources.list
15:10<pipe>maybe
15:10<jordanm>!non-free
15:10<dpkg>[non-free] a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>, or are encumbered by patents or other legal issues. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/
15:10<jordanm>Moleboy: it should have been required for the fglrx-glx package you already seem to have installed
15:10<Moleboy>I have an fglrx package installed?
15:11<Moleboy>!msg dpkg non-free sources
15:11<Moleboy>oops
15:12<jordanm>Moleboy: the xorg driver attempts to start in your xorg log
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15:12<jordanm>which means you also configured xorg.conf to use it
15:12<Moleboy>hmm
15:12<Moleboy>So what do you recommend?
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15:14<Moleboy>jordanm: I honestly don't remember too much about what I did
15:14<Moleboy>jordanm: this is just a lot to comprehend x.x
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15:19<Moleboy>jordanm, I know you're working, whenever you get a chance, just drop a message about what you think should be done
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15:19<User_San>hello guys! I need help... i can't apt-get update. The server i want is online, i can ping it, but i can't download from this pc
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15:20<sameerthahir>hello all, im using jigdo to create 5.0.6 images of debian , i have five 5.03 dvd images and the update dvd image of 5.0.6, While creating the first dvd,jigdo tells me that i needs to find 48 more files to complete the image, and cannot find it in any of the dvds, can anyone explain what exactly is happening,
15:20<kop>User_San: Change /etc/apt/sources.list to use another mirror.
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15:21<User_San>kop, the mirror is threre... it says: "W: Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/dists/lenny/updates/main/binary-arm/Packages 404 Not Found" but the file is there
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15:22<User_San>when i try to install something it say the link can't be found, i open the same link on another computer and i can download it
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15:24<kop>User_San: security.debian.org is multiple computers, which one you get depends on how dns resolves. So maybe one of them is bad or unreachable from your debian box?
15:24<User_San>kop, i can't either enter w3m www.google.com
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15:25<User_San>i can get the ip and enter from another computer, but not from the same
15:25<kop>User_San: Ok. So your dns resolution is bad.
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15:25<User_San>kop the DNS get's the right IP,
15:26<kop>User_San: Ok. (I thought you said you couldn't get the IP from the debian box.)
15:26<User_San>yes can
15:26<jordanm>Moleboy: what you have already done is rather important
15:26<User_San>i can
15:27<GhostlyDeath>Hello I'm running squeeze, I have two systems connected to a KVM, each try to set mode 1360x768, one works, one fails. When the monitor is attached to the system directly everything is correct, however when it's on the KVM it is not. The other system is on the KVM and uses the correct settings, is there any way to fix this?
15:27<jordanm>Moleboy: I would try to install the dkms package along with fglrx-glx
15:27<GhostlyDeath>the other system insists on using 1280x768 even though it's wrong
15:27<User_San>kop i just don't know why i can't connect to google even if i have this ip
15:27<kop>User_San: It sounds like something is blocking your network traffic. Can you get to things on the lan from debian?
15:28<User_San>kop, the lan is ok, i am using a computer from the same lan
15:28<kop>User_San: I don't suppose you have comcast cable or some such? They've been known to block "heavy downloaders" for a time. Maybe the problem is with your isp?
15:29<User_San>kop, it haven't ever downloaded a lot, and it is from my university lan
15:29<kop>User_San: Right, but can your debian box get to other boxes on the lan without trouble? (Google does not ping, right?)
15:30<User_San>kop goole ping... just don't connect for some reason
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15:30<GhostlyDeath>Appears xorg.conf is being ignored also
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15:30<GhostlyDeath>If I attach the new system back to the KVM when it was on the monitor, the settings are correct
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15:30<kop>User_San: If you "telnet www.google.com 80" you never get a connection,right?
15:30<User_San>Connected to www.l.google.com.
15:31<kop>User_San: Then you type "GET /", do you get the html back?
15:32<User_San>Location: http://www.google.com.br/
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15:32<User_San>i think it must be apache...
15:32<kop>User_San: What? (You know about paste? type "/msg dpkg paste" in your irc client)
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15:34<User_San>http://debian.pastebin.org/1127097
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15:35<kop>User_San: That's a standard http redirect, which means getting to google works fine (so far). How do you know google "don't connect"?
15:35<User_San>when i try w3m www.google.com i get "Not found"
15:35<User_San>and it shows the apache version that is installed here
15:35<kop>User_San: Can you ping www.google.com.br?
15:36<User_San>ye
15:36<User_San>ye
15:36<User_San>yes***
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15:36<kop>User_San: "here" being at your university?
15:36<User_San>yes
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15:37<User_San>from the same computer i can ping i get a not found when w3m
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15:38<kop>User_San: Your network is doing some sort of proxying, and it's broken. Contact your local network tech support. That'd be the best bet. Alternately, you need to tell apt there's a http proxy involved, perhaps, if the proxy is not automatic and broken.
15:38<User_San>if i stop apache i get a "can't load www.google.com'
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15:39<kop>User_San: _You_ are running apache?
15:39<User_San>yes i already said it
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15:40<kop>User_San: I thought you said your university was running apache.
15:40<User_San>no, i was talking about the computer.. sorry
15:40<kop>User_San: Gotta go. Sorry.
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15:40<User_San>ty komputes
15:41<User_San>ops ty kop
15:41<komputes>np
15:42<User_San>so, guys, can you help me? i can't use enter www.google.com by browser, but i can ping it. I think it must be apache. Can you help me?
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15:46<retrospectacus>User_San: apache?? it's irrelevant. You don't need apache to browse google
15:46<Moleboy>oh hey retrospectacus, can you aid me a bit...once more :-)
15:46<retrospectacus>can you browse with wget? if not sounds like a DNS problem
15:46<retrospectacus>what's going on today with Moleboy
15:46<Moleboy>I have Debian installed, AND internet working
15:46<retrospectacus>nice
15:47<ml|>!congratulate Moleboy
15:47<dpkg>Good show Moleboy, you did it!
15:47<Moleboy>Ok, I have 2 monitors, 1 22" 1680x1050, and 1 19" 1280x1024 monitor
15:47<retrospectacus>User_San: sorry I meant lynx, not wget.
15:47<Moleboy>at the moment, I only have my 22" 1680x1050 monitor connected, but it in itself is extraordinarily laggy
15:48<retrospectacus>User_San: type lynx www.google.com in terminal
15:48<Moleboy>moving things around causes immense amount of lag: retrospectacus
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15:48<blowback>Moleboy: Does glxgears run? alt+f2-> glxgears
15:49<Moleboy>let me try blowbaack
15:49<retrospectacus>Moleboy: what video driver you running? ATI 10.9 I recall something...
15:49<Moleboy>yea
15:49<Moleboy>the ati 10.9 drivers, most recent
15:49<User_San>retrospectacus: i can't even apt-get update
15:49<Moleboy>nothing appears to happen when I do that blowback
15:50<Moleboy>blowback: no error, nothing, it just disappears
15:50<retrospectacus>User_San: what's in the file /etc/resolv.conf
15:50<User_San>when i try to open any page with w3m i get "Can't load www.google.com"
15:50<User_San>retrospectacus: my DNS (8.8.8.8)
15:51<retrospectacus>Moleboy: try glxgears in console, what's it say
15:51<User_San>i can ping or dig www.google.com... no problem with it
15:52<Moleboy>BadRequest (invalid request code or no such operation)
15:52<User_San>but by some way it's like i can't connect to anything except my apache server in the same computer
15:53<retrospectacus>User_San: does it work if you shut off apache?
15:53<Moleboy>that's at blowback and retrospectacus
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15:54<User_San>no, if it's working i get the page don't exists on my server. if i close apache i get "w3m: Can't load www.google.com. "
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15:55<User_San>retrospectacus: i can connect into from another computer
15:55<Moleboy>blowback? you there?
15:56<retrospectacus>User_San: you have somehow directed requests for google to your localhost?
15:56<User_San>nope. whatever site i try i get the same error
15:57<blowback>Moleboy: alt+f2 -> amdccle (as root)
15:57<blowback>See if you can tweak some settings to speed things along.
15:57<Moleboy>already been in CCC
15:57<Moleboy>to no avail :-/
15:58<blowback>Anything in your xorg.conf ?
15:58<Moleboy>could you remind me how to check?
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15:59<retrospectacus>User_San: it sounds like you have somehow directed all http requests to your localhost
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15:59<User_San>retrospectacus: it may be some kind of error, but if i choosen to direct all requests to my localhost, how can i know?
15:59<retrospectacus>Moleboy: cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf
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16:00<retrospectacus>User_San: you could check your apache access log: something like /var/log/apache2/access.log
16:00<pipe>User_San: Have you tried HTTPS, SSH, something else? What IP number do you actually get when you ping google?
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16:01<User_San>it have https installed and also https
16:01<Moleboy>blowback: retrospectacus: xorg.conf is not empty.
16:01<pipe>Ok, you can't have HTTPS installed, so I don't really know what you mean
16:02<retrospectacus>Moleboy> back it up, then try rebooting with an empty one
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16:02<User_San>i configured a safe ssl connection
16:03<Moleboy>retrospectacus: I feel really bad about having to ask about everything...but I have no idea how to do that x.x
16:03<User_San>+retrospectacus: it may be some kind of error, but if i choosen to direct all requests to my localhost, how can i know?
16:03<blowback>Moleboy: cd /etc/X/
16:03<User_San>ops
16:03<retrospectacus>X11 not X
16:03<blowback>then mv ./xorg.conf xorg.conf.bak
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16:03<blowback>erm, X11, sorry.
16:04<blowback>mv as root.
16:04<User_San>pipe, i have configured a safe ssl connection (it works via https)
16:04<blowback>mv = move = rename
16:04<retrospectacus>User_San: what IP does ping google.com show
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16:05<User_San>retrospectacus: PING www.l.google.com (64.233.163.104) 56(84) bytes of data.
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16:06<User_San>it works on another computer (i get the ip that i get on this computer that don't navigate and i put it on another pc. the ip is right
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16:09<User_San> but by some reason, when i use a browser or apt it try to find something on my computer
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16:10<pipe>try w3m with "-no-proxy"
16:10<User_San>pipe, it work!
16:10<pipe>magic.
16:11<User_San>is there a proxy here?
16:11<pipe>yes.
16:11<User_San>i didn't know
16:11<User_San>how to disable
16:11<User_San>??
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16:11<pipe>Then you're either very confused, it's not your computer, or you've been hacked in some strange way
16:12-!-mode/#debian [+l 449] by debhelper
16:12<pipe>User_San: what does "echo $http_proxy" say?
16:13<User_San>my ip
16:13<Moleboy>retrospectacus: blowback: I did the mv command as per instruction, what next?
16:13<User_San>where to change it?
16:15<Moleboy>?
16:16<User_San>pipe, where can i disable my proxy?
16:16<pipe>User_San: I don't know, when did you install it?
16:16<pipe>Or what proxy did you use
16:17<User_San>pipe, i haven't installed any proxy, but by the way it is, i think i must have changed some config when i tried to put my HTTPS to work
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16:18<retrospectacus>Moleboy: touch xorg.conf
16:18<retrospectacus>hopefully you are still in /etc/X11
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16:20<Moleboy>retrospectacus: I used the touch command, and yes I am
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16:20<retrospectacus>Moleboy: now do ls -l
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16:21<pipe>User_San: Well, someone sets your http_proxy environment variable, it can be pretty much anywhere
16:21<pipe>User_San: Check the common .bashrc, .bash_profile
16:21<retrospectacus>you should see xorg.conf with size 0 and xorg.conf.bak with some size
16:21<User_San>ill give a try
16:22<retrospectacus>Moleboy: restart X
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16:23<Moleboy>retrospectacus: restart X does not work. command not found
16:24<User_San>did you know where is the apache init script on debian?
16:25<retrospectacus>Moleboy: restart X using your usual command, you have done this many times already
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16:26<Moleboy>retrospectacus sorry,l I will just reboot the comjputer
16:27<retrospectacus>that'll do it
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16:27<pipe>User_San: /etc/init.d/apache maybe?
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16:27<retrospectacus>it's faster to just restart x... usually done something like /etc/init.d/gdm restart
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16:27<User_San>pipe, i already found it, ty
16:28<retrospectacus>where gdm is your DM (display manager) maybe kdm or xdm or something else
16:28<Moleboy>retrospectacus: it is rebooted and at the desktop
16:29<pipe>nodm > all other dms
16:29<Moleboy>retrospectacus: the lag seems to be gone...@.@
16:29<User_San>how can i clean the variable http_proxy ?
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16:31<User_San>unset?
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16:31<User_San>yeah, it worked, thank you all
16:32<Moleboy>retrospectacus: the lag is gone...now for dual monitors :-)
16:32<User_San>i don't know what is changing the variable, but since i can unset, it's ok
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16:34<Moleboy>when I go to the Monitors thing
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16:35<Moleboy>retrospectus: When I enable the second monitor it says, "The selected configuration for displays could not be applied: "required virtual size
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16:37<Moleboy>required virtual size does not fit available size: request=(2960,1050), minimum=(320,200), maximum=(1680,1680) ---retrospectacus
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16:37<famelix>oi pesssoal
16:37<famelix>tou precisando de algum de vcs ae na sala
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16:37<famelix>nao estou entendendo o linux ele [é muito complexo
16:37<bja>!tell famelix about br
16:37<famelix>alguem conheço o sistema
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16:38<Moleboy>retrospectacus?
16:38<User_San>famelix /join #debian-br
16:38<retrospectacus>Moleboy: what program is saying that?
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16:39<Moleboy>Monitor Preferances
16:39<pipe>Moleboy: I recognize that
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16:39<retrospectacus>Moleboy: sorry I don't know about that, I have only nvidia ... try google
16:39<Moleboy>pipe: then what shall we do? destroy it with its own worst enemy?
16:39<pipe>no
16:40<Moleboy>Monitor preferences = part of Gnome, not part of ATI
16:40<retrospectacus>I have no ponitor preferences
16:40<retrospectacus>monitor
16:40<Moleboy>Ah gotcha, nevermind then, pipe?
16:40<Moleboy>retrospectacus, I do appreciate all the help you've given me
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16:41<retrospectacus>no worries
16:42<pipe>Moleboy: Well, I've seen that when haxx0ring about with my intel gpu on my thinkpad, but can't find any docs or info now
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16:45<retrospectacus>Moleboy: I think you need to get into the xorg.conf again and add a "Virtual" line
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16:46<retrospectacus>Moleboy: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=494244
16:46<Moleboy>pipe: maybe I should try Xfce?
16:46<retrospectacus>Moleboy: try putting in your xorg.conf, the lines in Comment 2
16:47<pipe>Moleboy: I don't think that has anything to do with anything
16:47<Moleboy>ah ok
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16:47<Moleboy>thanks retrospectacus :-), and gotcha pipe
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16:53<User_San>guys, if i need to print on a php page something like a uname -a from the server, what must i do?
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16:53<User_San>i want to print the uname -a from the server in that time
16:54<User_San>not a copy from now....
16:54<Moleboy>retrospectacus: I tried the workaround, should I restart my computer after doing so?
16:54<Moleboy>After editing the xorg.conf?
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16:55<blowback>Moleboy: you can just start X.
16:55<bja>Moleboy: you only need to restart your computere when you are upgrading kernel, else only restart the daeemon in question
16:55<blowback>try: /etc/init.d/gdm restart
16:55<Moleboy>thanks!
16:55<themill>User_San: passthru("uname -a")
16:55<Moleboy>no such file or directory
16:56<Moleboy>should I still be CD'd into my /etc/X11/?
16:56<blowback>no.
16:56<blowback>Are you running GDM?
16:56<blowback>ps -e |grep gdm
16:56<Moleboy>gdm3, gdm-simple-slav, gdm-session-wor
16:56<Moleboy>so I should do that but throw in a 3
16:56<User_San>themill: yes, but i just need to write the webpage and put it between the code?
16:57<Moleboy>Done.
16:57<Moleboy>uno momento.
16:57<bja>y hasta dos
16:57<pipe>User_San: This is not the right place for teaching PHP
16:57<Moleboy>blowback: I restarted gdm3, but...the screen is now black.
16:57<User_San>pipe, can you point some man pages?
16:57<themill>User_San: #php will have better resources for learning php. (or ##php on freenode)
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16:58<blowback>Moleboy: Let's just kill X. ps -e |grep Xorg
16:58<Moleboy>but I have no screen?
16:58<Moleboy>I can't see what I'm doing, but I'll try it
16:58<blowback>ctrl+shift+f1
16:58<blowback>go into a new vt.
16:58<pipe>User_San: http://www.php.net/docs.php
16:58<Moleboy>nothing happens when I do that.
16:58<blowback>f2?
16:58<Moleboy>nope
16:58<Moleboy>my screen is just blank
16:59<Moleboy>should I restart my computer?
16:59<blowback>ok. ctrl+alt+del
16:59<blowback>that'll restart, or should.
16:59<Moleboy>ah that happened
16:59<Moleboy>will now restart.
17:00<blowback>I should have mentioned ctrl+alt+backspc will restart X>
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17:01<User_San>pipe ty a lot
17:01<Moleboy>it worked! Thanks blowback! and retrospectacus
17:01<blowback>\o/
17:01<Moleboy>hehe...now time to get Compiz. or would that just be asking for trouble?
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17:01<bja>blowback: only if you have that magick key enable else it will do nothing
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17:01<Moleboy>that much I CAN do
17:01<blowback>Maybe, but don't be dissuaded.
17:01<Moleboy>I'll give it a shot :-)
17:02<blowback>bja: true enough.
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17:09<raph_ael>hello, the buildserver for experimental kernels is down for a long time as something replaced it so far ?
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17:11<kmap>raph_ael: Which kernel for which architecture are you looking for?
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17:12<Moleboy>uhhh blowback
17:12<raph_ael>kmap: any kernel newer than 2.6.32 for i386, i'm using sid
17:13*kmap checks
17:13<raph_ael>kmap: thanks
17:13<blowback>uhh Moleboy.
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17:13<Moleboy>blowback: picking from Grub after a restart takes me to a shell like single user mode
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17:14<blowback>Moleboy: what does startx do for you?
17:15<kmap>raph_ael: http://packages.debian.org/experimental/linux-image-2.6.35-trunk-686
17:15<raph_ael>kmap: thanks again
17:15<Moleboy>Fatal server error: no screens found
17:15-!-cockroach [~stefan@80-218-7-223.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #debian
17:15<Moleboy>it says I can check the log file
17:15<kmap>raph_ael: No problems
17:15<Moleboy>I should postbinit
17:15<Moleboy>*pastebinit
17:16<blowback>No Screens found?
17:16<Moleboy>yep
17:16<Moleboy>pastebin.com/Jrhsu8FQ
17:17<raph_ael>kmap: have a good night !
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17:18<blowback>reinstall the drivers again.
17:18<Moleboy>all I did was follow the instructions on this website: wiki.debian.org/compiz
17:18<Moleboy>oh boy
17:18<Moleboy>which drivers?
17:18<blowback>*laughs*
17:18<blowback>oh dear, oh dear.
17:18<blowback>10.9
17:18<Moleboy>you sure?
17:18<Moleboy>other people tell me to do some flgrx or something
17:18<Moleboy>or atleast, did last time
17:18<Moleboy>if you say so...you da boss...
17:19<Moleboy>also, blowback ctrl-alt-backspace did not appear to restart X
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17:19<blowback>ok, then no magic key mapped there.
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17:19<Gathond>I think they removed that one a version or 2 back, something about people hitting it by accident more often han on purpose
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17:20<blowback>I thought that was Ubuntu, but ok.
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17:20<Gathond>I think it was the X.org people actually
17:20<Moleboy>Ok, redownloading the ati drivers...as we speak, 5 minutes to go
17:20<blowback>Ah, ok.
17:20<Gathond>at least that is what my memory tells me
17:21<blowback>Moleboy: Why redownloading?
17:21<blowback>You HAVE the drivers locally, surely?
17:21<Moleboy>I don't know where it's downloaded, or anything
17:21<Moleboy>I'm not really sure...
17:21<Moleboy>assume I did, how would I locate it and run it?
17:22<blowback>try locate ati-driver
17:22<blowback>you know how to run it, same as before.
17:22<blowback>just cd to the location and ./<filename>
17:23<blowback>spoonfeed you once, ok, spoonfeed you twice, I use a knife :)
17:23<Moleboy>hehe
17:23<Moleboy>run it I can
17:23<Moleboy>the real issue was finding it :-)
17:24<Moleboy>believe me, I'm taking notes on everything I find XD
17:24<Moleboy>I'm determined to learn how this thing runs :-P
17:24<Moleboy>and I'm keeping every conservation logged incase I need to check something.
17:24<Moleboy>linux will not kill me >.> not in the least bit.
17:26<Moleboy>blowback: installed, now rebooting
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17:28<cockroach>hmn, auto-mounting stuff (and mounting from thunar) stopped working on my system (http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=597474) - does anyone have an idea why that might be? looks like a problem somewhere between udev, hal and policykit but i'm hopelessly lost...
17:28<Moleboy>blowback: installed, but I'm still back at the same screen
17:28<Moleboy>blowback: maybe I should remove my additions to xorg.conf for compiz
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17:29<blowback>Ok, you may need to reintialise the ati driver.. first, check xorg.conf..
17:29<blowback>backitup.
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17:32<Moleboy>blowback: what do you know? those lines were the source of the problem
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17:37<amphi>does compiz not work without them?
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17:37<amphi>compiz should work on recent-ish xorg without special config, I think
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17:44<Moleboy>amphi
17:44<amphi>Moleboy
17:45<Moleboy>I followed debians website, http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz
17:45<Moleboy>and I followed everything without the lines in xorg
17:45<Moleboy>I restarted my computer because I still can't get my x.org server restarted
17:45<Moleboy>did compiz --replace, and got 100000000 errors
17:46<amphi>heh
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17:46<amphi>Moleboy: there is a #compiz channel on freenode FWIW
17:46<Moleboy>What do you recommend oh sir amphi who is wise and fruitful
17:46<Moleboy>ah, thanks a bunch
17:46<amphi>Moleboy: is this lenny or squeeze?
17:47<Moleboy>sqaweeze
17:47<Moleboy>=D
17:47<Moleboy>that might be the issue...hmmm...
17:47<amphi>Moleboy: I very much doubt it's using XAA at all in that case; EXA or UXA I expect
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17:47<Moleboy>mmk
17:47<Moleboy>so is it not doable in that case amphi?
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17:48<amphi>I'm sure it is; but, for example, the line about XAANoOffscreenPixmaps or whatever is irrelevant
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17:49<amphi>you could check /var/log/Xorg.0.log to see that the necessary modules are loaded & Composite enabled - I suspect they are, by default
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17:49<amphi>by modules I mean dri and GLcore
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17:54<kief>soup guys?
17:54<ThePunisher>hi
17:54<kief>what's up?
17:54<ThePunisher>fine and you ?
17:54<kief>pretty good
17:54<ThePunisher>:)
17:54<kief>thinking about tryign out LMDE
17:55<ThePunisher>yeah
17:55<kief>yup
17:55<kief>anybody use it?
17:55<ThePunisher>me ?
17:55<ThePunisher>i don't know about what you talking
17:56<retrospectacus>!ask
17:56<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
17:56<ThePunisher>hi
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17:57<kief>oh
17:57<ThePunisher>what ?
17:57<retrospectacus>ThePunisher: hi. This channel is for debian support. Please do not chat here
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17:58<ThePunisher>so what i do ??
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18:23<User_San>sorry, what is the command to print an output of a command on PHP?
18:23<User_San>like printing the output of 'uname -a'
18:24<User_San>sorry, i forgot
18:24<themill>User_San: passthru(). You might like to enable channel logging on your irc client, and ##php on irc.freenode.net is a much better place to ask
18:25<User_San>ty again themill
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18:48<keep>nao cosigo localizar o limewire que baixe por favor me ajudem
18:49<amphi>!br
18:49<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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19:03<bja>!qotd0
19:03<dpkg><{Fatalfury}> hi, do u know a way to limit the /proc directory size? now it's over 500MB and i have a very little hd
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19:07<bzed>!qotd0
19:07<dpkg><jm_> twb: it's microsoft software <twb> Ha! <twb> AngryDrake: OK, step one is to unbuckle your belt, remove your trousers and bend over. A microsoft technician will be along shortly.
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19:20<edbian>Iceweasel is in version 3.0.6 on Debian. Is it equivalent to firefox 3.0.6?
19:20<retrospectacus>exactly
19:21<edbian>retrospectacus: Thanks. What version will be included in Squeeze?
19:21<blowback>iceweasel = firefox, sans branding.
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19:21<retrospectacus>,versions iceweasel
19:21<judd>Package iceweasel on i386 -- etch: 2.0.0.19-0etch1; etch-security: 2.0.0.19-0etch1; lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; lenny-backports: 3.5.11-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 3.5.12-2; sid: 3.5.13-1; experimental: 3.6.10-1
19:21<edbian>wow
19:21<edbian>the current version is experimental
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19:22<bja>edbian: someone will either a)backport it b) post the relevant information to compile it on squeeze :D
19:22<edbian>Although I suspect that 3.0 is rather quick and 4.0 will be quick. Seems to me that firefox (and therefore iceweasel) has gotten rather slow recently. Have you guys noticed the same thing or am I crazy?
19:23<edbian>Maybe if I trust Debian and stick with the version in the stable repos I'll skip that slow slump!
19:23<bja>edbian: pull off the flash addon and it will regain its speed
19:24<edbian>bja: Is that all it is? Maybe I should try open source flash.
19:24<bzed>edbian: or use chromium (not sure if theres a backjport, though)
19:24<bja>edbian: gnash is also a major slower for iceweasel
19:24<bzed>the open source flash is not really faster ;)
19:24<edbian>It doesn't work everwhere but it's quick and it's open source! Then we'll see if I can hold out for html 5 to be widely adopted
19:24<amphi>or midori
19:24<edbian>It's not faster?
19:24<edbian>God flashs sucks!
19:24<bzed>ja.
19:25<edbian>amphi: Midori is quick for you? Faster than chrome?
19:25<edbian>I tried midori once.
19:25<amphi>I haven't used chrome
19:25<blowback>midori is low-footprint, but not without issues.
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19:25<edbian>I assumed that flash performance only hurt firefox on sites that had flash! I have flashblock too. Is that helping?
19:26*amphi doesn't have flash
19:26<blowback>flashblock helps plenty.
19:26<edbian>amphi: How do you watch you tube videos?!
19:26*bja ditched gnash early on his squeeze install
19:26<edbian>blowback: I was worried that blocking them might be even more overhead
19:26<blowback>edbian: not at all.
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19:26<edbian>blowback: Interesting concept
19:26<edbian>Anywho
19:26<edbian>I gotta go.
19:27<amphi>edbian: rarely, with cclive
19:27<edbian>amphi: I'll look into that
19:27<edbian>Thanks for the help / friendly conversation :)
19:27<amphi>edbian: it just downloads 'em and I watch 'em with mplayer
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19:28<amphi>I've never been very enthusiastic about watching video in my web browser
19:28*f8l also uses cclive
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19:29<f8l>amphi: Do you know some hack to stream the videos?
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19:33<amphi>f8l: I haven't tried; the man page has some stuff about it, but I didn't try
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19:37<f8l>amphi: Thank you. I've never read the manpage before. I assumed that I can use cclive just like I used clive.
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19:38<amphi>f8l: let me know what you discover ;)
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19:40<ml|>I might get rid of flash here, but others here would complain ;)
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19:42<f8l>amphi: If you want to use mplayer you can run `echo 'stream-exec = "mplayer -really-quiet %i"' >> ~/.ccliverc`, and then just invoke cclive with -s switch.
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19:43<amphi>f8l: yeah, I just tried it, thanks
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19:45<ml|>f8l: nice thanks
19:45<Gbrino>need help!!
19:45<ml|>!ask
19:45<f8l>ml|: Thank amphi. ;-)
19:45<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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19:46<ml|>amphi: thanks ;)
19:46<amphi>!it
19:46<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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20:20<NickyP>Can an Op provide the excellent link about ati drivers. Lost my system and need to rebuild.
20:20<amphi>!ati
20:20<dpkg>To use an ATI graphics card with Debian, ask me about <radeon>, <radeonhd>, <fglrx>. See also <radeon vs radeonhd>. Installing proprietary drivers from amd.com (i.e. with the ATI Driver Installer) is not supported in #debian, please go to #ati (irc.freenode.net).
20:21<amphi>hmm, not that
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20:21<NickyP>it was an debian page with fglrx stuff
20:22<amphi>!fglrx
20:22<dpkg>[fglrx] "FireGL and Radeon for X", the AMD/ATI proprietary display driver supporting Radeon R5xx, R6xx and R7xx chipsets. As of fglrx-driver 1:9-4-1, no chipsets prior to the R600 series are supported; ask me about <radeon> or <radeonhd> instead. The version in squeeze supports Xorg 7.5 (Xserver 1.7). To install, ask me about <fglrx one-liner lenny>, <fglrx one-liner squeeze> or see http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary
20:22<NickyP>ty
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20:45<Guest608>wtf
20:45<Guest608>hello
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22:04<skel>Hi, how can I change xorg log level? Man page said xorg -loglevel n but on boot gdm handles everything and I don't actually type X?
22:04<blowback>skel: stop gdm and launch X manually?
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22:05<skel>blowback, I'm having this real internmitten issue, like every 24-48 hours x/gnome freezes, that doesn't seem that good of a solution?
22:06<blowback>skel: I'm simply suggesting you start x manually so you can better control the logs.
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22:06<blowback>I thought that was your question. *shrugs*
22:06<skel>blowback, I understand, but I was hoping somebody could point me to how x was invoked and I could just change it there.
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22:07<blowback>well, without gdm running you'd "startx"
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22:07<skel>blowback, indeed, and the only man page I see says Xorg -loglevel n, I looked at startx and didn't see Xorg actually invoked
22:09<blowback>skel: I suggest man startx might put you on the right track.
22:10<blowback>And man xinit
22:10<skel>I'll try those
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22:32<mom>is there something in debian that the fonts always look pixely to me? is there an anti-alias setting?
22:33<blowback>mom: What DE are you using? Gnome? KDE?
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22:33<mom>blowback: gnome
22:34<blowback>mom: check settings -> appearance or similar and enable sub-pixel anti-aliasing.
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22:35<mom>blowback: ok im using a crt
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22:35<blowback>mom: May still help.. experiment.
22:36<blowback>mom: you might also try a higher res, if your screen supports it.
22:37<mom>blowback: ooo i just found a setting that really helped "hinting" . . . turned that off
22:37<blowback>Ah, well done. Experimenting is key :)
22:38<mom>blowback: why anyone would want a hint of the shape of font is beyond me
22:40<blowback>mom: hinting ensures that fonts don't lose their shape.
22:41<blowback>https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Font_hinting
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22:46<mom>blowback: well it made it look not like the font at all
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22:48<blowback>mom: Time you got yourself a decent flatscreen, perhaps? ;)
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22:49<blowback>2048x1152 is affordable.. probably twice the screen res of what you're using, horizontally :)
22:54<kop>blowback: But then do you have to downgrade the resolution to get larger chars? (I always found this a mystery, why screen rez and point size are not independent.)
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22:57<mom>blowback: crts still look nicer i think
22:58<starke>hey guys i need help
22:58<kop>!ask
22:58<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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22:58<starke>any idea what would block a connection to a 360 and not a ps3
22:59<pipe>related to debian how?
22:59<starke>i am using squeeze
22:59<starke>thinking maybe something software lrelated
22:59<starke>related
22:59<pipe>and how do you connect to the consoles?
22:59<kop>starke: On both?
23:00<starke>both are connected to the same switch
23:00<starke>ushare works fine on a ps3
23:00<starke>just not on a 360
23:00<pipe>maybe you need to run windows
23:00<pipe>is the 360 supposed to work with anything else?
23:01<starke>but heres the thing ps3mediaserver connects to the 360 just fine
23:01<starke>just wont playanything due to a compatibility issue
23:01<pipe>Don't really know what you're talking about here
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23:02<pipe>mediaserver? ushare?
23:02<pipe>like, what is the purpose of connecting your debian machine to the consoles?
23:02<starke>pipe, twonky works flawlessly but is not free
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23:02<starke>to serve as a media box
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23:02<pipe>what is a media box?
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23:03<starke>you trolling?
23:03<pipe>No
23:03<pipe>what is a "media box"?
23:03<pipe>Maybe if you explain things you can get answers
23:03<starke>home file server for music movies and pics
23:03<pipe>thank you
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23:07<starke>any ideas?
23:07<starke>something to google
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23:10<pipe>If I had the same problem I would check the network traffic with wireshark
23:10<pipe>But you need to know a little about network traffic to be able to understand how everything should look like
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