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00:03<x90>does anyone know an app to emulate a fluke
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00:04<pipe>Aren't they quite worthless without the IO hardware?
00:04<x90>if you have the ender
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00:05<x90>how to you read pins
00:05<x90>is there anything like this?
00:05<bja>x90: What do you need to acomplish ?
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00:05<x90>i can't aford a fluke
00:05<x90>so i was wondering if anyone has made anything like this
00:05<x90>in a linux environment
00:06<pipe>Are you aware that fluke is a company?
00:06<pipe>They manufacture a lot of different products
00:06<pipe>A bit like saying you want a "canon" emulator
00:06<x90>i was wondering if anyone has made something like that on a computer
00:06<pipe>To do what a canon does
00:07*Efreak throws poo down pipe
00:07<bja>x90: Please use half your brain and understand what you are asking please. I repeat what do you need to acomplish ?
00:07<x90>CREATING A FLUKE RJ45 tester
00:07<x90>to check that pins are setup correctly when you crimp a wire with a head
00:07<x90>test to make sure it is active
00:08<x90>the pins are in the correct order
00:08<bja>ok use your freaking rj45 jacket on your laptop and use a cross connector on the other extreme of the cable then do the appropiate test
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00:09<pipe>Ok, that was even worse than asking for "something that emulates a canon". At least you could have wanted to emulate a multimeter or oscilloscope, something people mostly associate with fluke.
00:09<bja>The test will perform accordingly to the number of mistakes the cable has
00:12<johnfg>What's the right group for update-alternatives for flash?
00:13<x90>I am just starting to learn about these
00:13<x90>i have a class on it
00:13<x90>and want to tet at home
00:14<x90>but that equipment is expensive
00:14<pipe>Can't you borrow something at school
00:14<x90>any pointers
00:14<x90>but i can stay late
00:14<x90>but i still want to test at home
00:14<pipe>get cheap knockoffs from dealextreme or any other hong-kong dealer :)
00:15<x90>do they work as well though?
00:15<pipe>probably, assuming you already know how to use them and assuming you treat them with care.. no idea
00:15<johnfg>I ask because the about:plugins showed that it's still using the gnu version of flash.
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00:21<johnfg>So, do I choose auto mode or manual?
00:21<johnfg>Not sure what that means?
00:23<simonrvn>you can disable it
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02:09<EmleyMoor>What's the right way to put the squeeze installer on a USB stick?
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02:11<qq->!usb install
02:11<dpkg>Yes, it is possible to install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see . To download USB stick images, ask me about <install debian>. to prepare from Windows. BIOS can't boot from USB? Use
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03:14<DANti>im looking for someone that explain me how to share a wired network connection with a wireless one under knoppix on the command line
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04:01<fracc>Ah, geez, I know this is probably a dumb question, but I haven't been able to find a straight answer. My computer has an Intel E5400 dual-core processor. Which version of Debian should I download if I want to take full advantage of it? Will the amd64 version work?
04:04<musca>This processor?
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04:05<fracc>That's the one, yes.
04:06<f8l>fracc: It depends how much RAM you have.
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05:24<slobo>anybody can help with mounting CD-rom during instalation booted with external HDD?
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05:24<cthuluh>mount /dev/cdrom /mnt
05:24<slobo>it gives me notification: your installation cd-rom couldnt be mounted
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05:25<slobo>cthuluh: i just booted the system with debian-506-i386-netinst.iso
05:25<slobo>im trying to install linux for the first time
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05:27<cthuluh>did you follow the procedure described in the official documentation?
05:27<slobo>when I execute that command it gives me: mounting /dev/cdrom on /mnt failed: invalid arguement
05:27<cthuluh>you shouldn't need to mount it manually
05:27<slobo>its a SATA DVD drive
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05:28<slobo>how do i do that?
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05:28<cthuluh>slobo: you were told yesterday that there could be problems with sata dvd drives
05:29<slobo>thats what I have on the motherboard
05:29<cthuluh>either follow the procedure here or install via an usb stick
05:29<slobo>i got nothing else
05:29<cthuluh>you have sata but no usb? funny
05:29<slobo>i have boot the installer using USB
05:30<slobo>ok, im trying to install via internet
05:30<slobo>so i have booted using the USB
05:30<slobo>now the steps the installer is checking
05:30<slobo>is the CD rom mounting?
05:30<slobo>is it posible to skip that part
05:30<slobo>and go to instalation directlY??
05:30<cthuluh>you're using the netboot method or not?
05:30<slobo>no netboot sorry
05:30<cthuluh>so there's no cdrom involved
05:30<slobo>im using the USB boot
05:31<slobo>with net install
05:31<cthuluh>these are different things
05:31<cthuluh>netinstall != netboot
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05:31<slobo>got that
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05:32<cthuluh>so if you boot via usb and want to install with netinstall, you _only_ have to follow what the documentation says
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05:32<slobo>ok let me go back to the documentation but when i go through the graphical installer
05:32<slobo>it got stuck while trying to mount the CDrom
05:32<cthuluh>where did you copy the .iso?
05:32<cthuluh>you should copy it on the usb drive
05:33<slobo>its there
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05:35<slobo>and i booted the installer with that file
05:35<slobo>when i get to the installer there are several steps that need to be done
05:36<slobo>and one of those steps is to detect and mount the cdrom
05:36<cthuluh>you already said that
05:36<slobo>i cant mount it, therefore i cant continue to the next step
05:36<cthuluh> did you follow this documentation?
05:37<slobo>yes i did follow
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05:39<cthuluh>do you know where is the cdrom located and where you have to mount it?
05:39<cthuluh>if you know that, you can try : mount /path/to/my.iso /path/where/to/mount/cdrom
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05:58<mekt>helix: is the wiki software in transition?
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05:59<b_52light>guys i have added a second monitor and use grandr to configure my 2 screen , i am on a laptop , b ut my 2 screen have different resolution one 1440*900 and the other 1200*800 i'm using openbox , how to adapt openbox to each screen resolution ?
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06:08<flexxxb>hy, I have a kernel without any modules for cd/DVD support. What is the easiest way to compile these modules and wherre do I get the right soure?
06:09<cthuluh>where did you get this kernel?
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06:09<flexxxb>its the stock kernel for my device. its an arm
06:10<cthuluh>oh. I heard about dkms
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06:12<flexxxb>dont think that i need that. the distro is just debian based
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06:12<cthuluh>!based on debian
06:12<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't know what changes were made by your distribution and it probably falls short of Debian's standards. #debian only supports Debian; you should respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent.
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06:19<b_52light>any one using grandr
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06:26<valdyn>!anyone use
06:26<dpkg>No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it.
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06:46<cmdKeen>Every GTK python application fail to start with "ImportError: /$LONG_PATH/ undefined symbol: _PyLong_FromSize_t" Reinstalling python-gobject and python-gtk2 doesn't help at all. Do you have any idea what the hell is this or how to find out?
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08:24<noesc>Hi, I have a problem with usb mass-storage devices. It is on a laptop running sid installed with net-install. dmesg finds the drives, but do not assign a device number for it. Any ideas?
08:24<noesc>Usb-keyboards etc works
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08:26<noesc>I don't seem to have a /proc/usb/devices
08:27<abrotman>zargana: english please
08:28<zargana>ok i said to eo
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08:30<abrotman>noesc: what is your current kernel? can you put the dmesg output in a pastebin?
08:31<danlii>I had a dual-boot setup on my laptop with Windows 7 and Ubuntu, I installed Debian 5.0 instead of Ubuntu and now GRUB says that it can't find my Windows partition and refuses to boot it, however it can be mounted from within Linux. What could be wrong?
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08:32<noesc>abrotman: sure, wait a minute
08:33<abrotman>danlii: you probably want grub2 and os-prober .. just a guess though
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08:35<abrotman>noesc: and you rkernel ?
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08:36<abrotman>disconnect then reconnect?
08:37<noesc>abrotman: been there done that, tried with a couple of different storage devices
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08:37<abrotman>oh, it's not just this one?
08:37<noesc>pen-drives and external harddrives
08:37<noesc>no it is not
08:39<abrotman>and you've rebooted?
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08:39<noesc>abrotman: Yea, but I'll do it again just to be sure..
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08:43<noesc>hmm, it seems like I have installed windows
08:43<noesc>the 3rd reboot fixed it
08:43<DANti>im looking for someone that explain me how to share a wired network connection with a wireless one under knoppix on the command line
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08:43<noesc>thanks abrotman =)
08:44<abrotman>DANti: ask #knoppix on
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08:59<abrotman>noesc: so it just magically worked this time?
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09:19<noesc>abrotman: Yea, I guess there has been some changes that did not get applied before.
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09:20<abrotman>okay then! :)
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09:22<wikki>hallo! kann mir jemand helfen?
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09:23<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
09:23<bremner>!tell wikki -about de
09:23<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
09:23<wikki>könnt ihr deutsch?
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09:24<wikki>okay thank you ;D
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09:49<dominick>Hi! Is there a free EJB Container in the Debian Repos?
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10:00<abrotman>dominick: apt-cache search ejb ?
10:00*abrotman found jboss
10:00<abrotman>also there is geronimo ?
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10:07<dominick>thanks, I guess geronimo isn't in the official debian repository!
10:08<dominick>I'm using squeeze.
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10:10<abrotman>dominick: it shows up for me
10:11<abrotman>well, libraries do .. but jboss is there anyway
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10:12<dominick>abrotman, I get a bunch of library packages when I search for geronimo. but not the package itself.
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10:56<AlexMax>Hi there. I'm trying to set up a debian machine that has been installed super-bare bones on a VPS. Right now, UTF-8 programs such as aptitude display lqqqqqk for line drawing characters, and I want to fix it. I tried installing locales, but locale -a only shows "C" and "POSIX" locales. How do I get UTF-8 goodness?
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10:58<AlexMax>I had a similar problem in ubuntu, was able to fix it by doing locale-gen en_US and update-locale LANG=en_US.UTF-8 but 1. that never really fixed it unless I was using screen 2. I don't actually have any locales other than C and POSIX on this machine.
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11:03<musca>!tell AlexMax about utf-8
11:03<bremner>AlexMax: are you sure your terminal supports utf-8?
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11:06<AlexMax>bremner: I'm using PuTTY set to UTF-8. I just figured out that debian allows me to do dpkg-reconfigure locales and allows me to generate the correct locale. However, even after restarting and checking to see that I have the correct locale using `locale` I'm still getting lqqqqqk in aptitude
11:07<AlexMax>However, if I then start `screen`, anything I do inside of screen is fixed.
11:07<AlexMax>Seeing as I spend all of my time inside screen this isn't THAT big of a deal but it'd still be nice to figure out why it doesn't use UTF-8 outside of screen.
11:08<bremner>AlexMax: hmm. Sounds like a putty problem? Might have to do with TERM settings, but I really have no idea about putty
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11:15<AlexMax>bremner: I have attempted to change PuTTY's terminal type to something like rxct-unicode with no luck
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11:20<acperkins>AlexMax, are you using a unicode Font in PuTTY?
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11:23<AlexMax>otherwise it woudln't show up in screen
11:26<acperkins>oh yeah of course, sorry
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11:34<f8l>What package to install in order to receive a file via Bluetooth?
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11:39<f8l>f8l: obexpushd. Sorry to bother you.
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11:46<johnfg>hi guys
11:46<johnfg>How do I turn off network manager?
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11:48<abrotman>turn off why?
11:48<johnfg>abrotman, It interferes with the operation of kerberos, ldap and afs.
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11:49<abrotman>so uninstall it ?
11:49<abrotman>it doesn't really do anything unless you tell it to .. it has a config file .. you can tell it not to touch your interfaces
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11:52<johnfg>abrotman, I'll try network manager here in squeeze. Maybe I can get it to work as I need it to. I'd had to disable it for lenny and for fedora, too.
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11:52<dpkg>guest801: VATTENE VIA!
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12:04*EmleyMoor has just upgraded to squeeze and has no X - on an nvidia card. Anything should check first?
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12:08<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see . If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (
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12:24<dominick>My Debian squeeze is heavily infected by viruses:
12:25<ichdasich>dominick: ?
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12:27<cthuluh>dominick: stop drugs, or reboot your system: you're not on debian but on windows
12:28<dominick>cthuluh, lol! look at the screenshot carefully!
12:28<cthuluh>screenshots? where?
12:28<cthuluh>look at the url you pasted
12:29<cthuluh>do you know what a "404 Not found" is?
12:29<dominick>cthuluh, that was a joke!
12:29<dominick>cthuluh, yea, i know what it means!
12:30<dominick>cthuluh, wait! Can't you see the screenshots?
12:30<cthuluh>I can't
12:31<dominick>strange! I can open it in both my lappies!
12:31<cthuluh>maybe my debian is protecting me from those bad naughty viruses...
12:32<dominick>cthuluh, lol!
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12:38<paco>hi all
12:38<paco>have some one upgraded debian testing during last week?
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12:39<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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12:40<paco>ok, i've upgraded my system and some xorg packages were installed
12:40<paco>after that i can not use flash plugin in fullscreen mode
12:40<paco>i've tried to downgrade flashplayer
12:41<paco>but with no luck
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12:43<abrotman>in which browser?
12:43<abrotman>are you sure it's using adobe flash?
12:43<paco>firefox and chrome
12:43<paco>yes i'm sure it is flash and not gnash
12:44<Krishnandu>Hi friends, I've just installed debian, but the problem is I'm only getting Windows and Debian. But I've Windows, Arch, Ubuntu, Fedora, OpenSUSE and Debian installed. How to restore all of them...??
12:44<jordanm>Krishnandu: what version of debian?
12:45<Krishnandu>jordanm, Latest, just downloaded from internet
12:45<abrotman>latest doesn't help .. which version
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12:45<Krishnandu>abrotman, any way out to know that..?? From terminal..??
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12:45<dpkg>Kernel: uname -r, or cat /proc/version. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version (or lsb_release -sc) and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command; check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>. Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distributions.
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12:46<Krishnandu>jordanm, uname -r shows this Debian, OpenSUSE, Arch and Windows.
12:47<Krishnandu>jordanm, Debian
12:47<Krishnandu>jordanm, Debian 5
12:47<ptr>err. Apologies; wrong window
12:48<Krishnandu>So guys,,.?? What to do...??
12:49<paco>@Krishnandu your bootloader does not show all systems?
12:49<jordanm>Krishnandu: you may have to add some manual entries if os-prober is not picking up the other installations
12:49<jordanm>Krishnandu: is arch and opensuse using grub2?
12:49<Krishnandu>paco, No. It's picking up only Windows and Debian
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12:49<Krishnandu>jordanm, I don't know...But I don't think so...
12:50<Krishnandu>jordanm, I've installed Arch 2010 and OpenSUSE 11.2
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12:50<paco>@Krishnandu are you sure you have not deleted boot partition of the other distros?
12:50<Krishnandu>paco, Yup...I haven't deleted them...
12:50<jordanm>Krishnandu: that doesn't mean much to me. I don't use those OS's so I don't know what grub they use
12:51<Krishnandu>paco, BTW I'm not using seperate /boot for any of them.
12:51<Krishnandu>jordanm, Only Ubuntu is using grub2, others are grub as far I know
12:51<paco>have you tried update-grub as root?
12:51<Krishnandu>paco, yup
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12:52<paco>is yup = yes?
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12:52<f8l>paco: Yup. ;-) Yes, it is.
12:52<Krishnandu>paco, Here is the output
12:52<Krishnandu>paco, Ya..!! Yup means yes..!!
12:53<jordanm>Krishnandu: I don't know how you are going to properly manage all those different installs, nor what their usefulness is. I recommend configuring grub manually
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12:53<paco>YUP! :) i agree with jordan
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12:53<Krishnandu>jordanm, actually the main story is different. I've a 160GB HDD and Ive Windows, Arch, Ubuntu in that and working perfectly fine..!!
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12:54<Krishnandu>jordanm, now I've a spare 20GB HDD in which I want to get the taste of other flavours too...thats why I'm installing diff distros and will be trying them..!!
12:54<jordanm>Krishnandu: I don't understand
12:54<jordanm>Krishnandu: sounds like you need some VM software
12:55<Krishnandu>jordanm, so I'm installing the bootloaders on MBR of this 20GB HDD. Coz if anything gets into problem, I'll simply detach the HDD and the 160GB HDD OS'es will do fine..!!
12:56<Krishnandu>jordanm, I know..!! BUt I've only 1GB RAM. I tried that method too..!! Coz of only 1GB RAM I'm not able to do what am I want. So I decided to install them in spare HDD
12:56<jordanm>Krishnandu: only ONE grub is/can be installed to the MBR
12:56<jordanm>Krishnandu: how it boots the other OS's is configured in /boot/grub/menu.lst
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12:57<Krishnandu>jordanm, Coz I'm installing bootloaders on MBR of 20GB HDD, SO if I detach it I've Ubuntu bootloader on 160GB HDD which boots Windows, Arch, Ubuntu.
12:58*Krishnandu will beb
12:59*Krishnandu will brb
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13:04<antd>hi, i have a problem. im upgrading to Squeeze from Lenny. It said 'press D to show differences in the file'. I pressed 'D'. But now I'm stuck... anyone know how i can get out?
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13:11<Krishnandu>jordanm, so buddy...what to do now to get all the OS'es..??
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13:13<paco>@Krishnandu can you access other partitions?
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13:14<Krishnandu>paco, Ya
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13:14<Doruk>Selamun Aleyküm
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13:14<paco>ok so you can write entries into the grub configuration files
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13:15<paco>copy the debian entry and change parameters like name, partition and linux image
13:15<Krishnandu>paco, Ok but how to do that..>??
13:15<paco>if you are using grub and not grub2
13:15<amphi>!tell Doruk -about tr
13:15<paco>the conf file is /boot/grub/menu.lst
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13:16<paco>(or menu.list)
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13:16<paco>does it exist on you pc?
13:16<Krishnandu> mean I need to copy the debian one and just add menus for them by just changing the parititon numbers...right..??
13:17<paco>it is quite simple and intuitive
13:17<paco>do not delete the debian entry!
13:17<Krishnandu>paco, Thanks but...what to do for kernel and initrd..??
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13:17<paco>kernel is the kernel image file
13:17<Krishnandu>paco, I don't know the kernel for each of them...
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13:18<paco>if you can access partitios
13:18<Krishnandu>paco, Ohh..ya..!!
13:18<paco>if anyone of them has a /boot
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13:19<Krishnandu>paco, When I'm trying to open the other volumes from Places > COmputer, it's saying "you don't have required permission"
13:19<paco>are you root?
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13:20<paco>open them from command line!!
13:20<paco>from terminal
13:20<Krishnandu>paco, well...I don't know how...gksu nautilus not working here...
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13:20<paco>first of all use mount to know mounted partitions
13:20<paco>open a terminal and act as root
13:21<Krishnandu>paco, okeis...!!
13:21<Krishnandu>paco, those volumes are not mounted
13:21<paco>ok, not so bad
13:22<paco>create a mount point
13:22<paco>if you want to access all over the time
13:22<Krishnandu>paco, can you tell me how..?? I never did this from command line...
13:22<paco>create mount point in /mnt
13:22<paco>and modify fstab
13:22<Krishnandu>paco, I can google it out...but if you can tell it would be better for me
13:22<paco>do not worry
13:23<paco>are you interested in accessing those partitions in the future
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13:23<Krishnandu>it would be a nice experience to add them in /etc.fstab
13:23<paco>create a mount point in mnt for each partition
13:23<Krishnandu>I never did that b4
13:23<paco>a mount point is a directory
13:23<Krishnandu>paco, how..??
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13:24<paco>mkdir /mnt/Ark
13:24<Krishnandu>paco, ok then..??
13:24<paco>mkdir /mnt/<partname>
13:24<paco>ok do you know
13:24<paco>which filesystem they use?
13:25<paco>(ext4, ext3)
13:25<Krishnandu>Ubuntu is ext4 and all others are ext3
13:25<Krishnandu>and windows is NTFS
13:25<paco>open /etc/fstabù
13:25<paco>open /etc/fstab
13:25<Krishnandu>already opened
13:26<paco>it is very simple to edit it
13:26<paco>for each partition
13:26<paco>create a new line
13:26<antd>could someone possibly help me? i just upgraded to Squeeze on my server. But KDE is not starting, usually it would start automatically when i launch vnc4server (startkde in /xstartup)
13:26<paco><partition> <mount_point> <filesystem> <options> 0 0
13:27<Krishnandu>paco, okies...and I'll get the partition by fdisk -l right..??
13:27<Krishnandu>paco, Thanks...lemme try..!!
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13:29<Krishnandu>paco, what if I provide mount point as /mnt ??
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13:29<Krishnandu>or /
13:29<Krishnandu>do I need to create dir for all the os'es...??
13:30<Krishnandu>so I need to create it under /mnt/
13:30<paco>it is a common pratice to create mount points under /mnt
13:31<paco>(mnt = MouNT)
13:31<Krishnandu>paco, ok thanks :)
13:31<paco>but it is not a rul
13:31<Krishnandu>ok done...I've create dir's dor arch, ubuntu, fedora, and opensuse
13:32<paco>have you modified fstab?
13:32<edbian>Can I get some help with my driver problem? I'm trying to try the different drivers but now I can't get the system to use the radeon driver.
13:32<Krishnandu>paco, hey, I want to get my windows NTFS volumes I should put them too right..??
13:33<Krishnandu>FS will be NTFS..??
13:33<paco>i think so
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13:33<Krishnandu>paco, ok...thnx...lemme edit it then..!!
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13:34<Krishnandu>paco, what should I put in options..??
13:35<Krishnandu>paco, ok
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13:35*EmleyMoor is having a lot of trouble with horde under squeeze - reports a lot of things deprecated and then warns that it cannot modify header information - all this when trying to configure it
13:35<Krishnandu>paco, dump and pass both will b 0 right..??
13:35<amakusa>hello, does any one know of a multiprotocol terminal based mesenger?
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13:36<paco>i don't know well what they mean
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13:36<Gogi>i have a problem with update manager can anyone help me?
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13:37<EmleyMoor>Also, two of my software RAID arrays have "disappeared" - the second depends on the first - how do I get them back?
13:37<Gogi>can anyone help me?
13:38<paco>@Gogi what kind of problem?
13:39<Gogi>paco:i changed the settings of update manager in order to install one software and suddenly it stopped working
13:39<Krishnandu>paco, I edit and saved fstab
13:39<abrotman>Gogi: what exactly did you do ? and which version of update-manageR?
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13:40<EmleyMoor>Oh damn - I just wiped /etc!
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13:40<EmleyMoor>Any good way to get it back?
13:40<Krishnandu>paco, now...??
13:40<Gogi>i dont know which version i am using but my ubuntu is 10.4
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13:41<paco>@Krishnandu i was at phone...
13:41<paco>now try mounting
13:41<Gogi>and the error message is E:Type '-e' is not known on line 54 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list, E:The list of sources could not be read.'
13:41<Krishnandu>paco, it's really ok..!!
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13:41<paco>does it work?
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13:41<Krishnandu>paco, how to mount..??
13:42<paco>mount /mnt/<mountpoint>
13:42<Krishnandu>ohh ok...
13:42<Gogi>paco:E:Type '-e' is not known on line 54 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list, E:The list of sources could not be read.'is the error message.
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13:42<Gogi>abrotman:E:Type '-e' is not known on line 54 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list, E:The list of sources could not be read.'is the error message
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13:42<Krishnandu>paco, it's saying unknown filesystem ext4
13:42<abrotman>Gogi: put your sources.list in a pastebin
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13:43<paco>@Gogi are you using ubuntu?
13:43<Gogi>paco:yes i am using ubuntu
13:43<paco>@Krishnandu your kernel does not support
13:43<paco>such filesystem
13:43<abrotman>Gogi: please go to #ubuntu on .. Ubuntu is not supported here
13:43<EmleyMoor>Have I made a huge mess by deleting everything in /etc or can I somehow recover? I have a backup but it predates my upgrade
13:43<Gogi>and i am a new user so not to much familiar to it
13:44<Gogi>but they are not providing satisfactry answers
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13:44<Krishnandu>paco, I can mount windows paritions but now the other linux partitions
13:45<paco>@Krishnandu it is normal
13:45<paco>your kernel is too old
13:45<paco>it does not heve the ext4 support
13:45<edbian>Is there a difference between insmod/rmmmod and modprobe (-r) ??
13:45<Krishnandu>paco, you mean I need to update it first...??
13:45<dpkg> (formerly is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read to enable and use. See also <bdo key> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo kernel> <bdo users> <bdo pinning>.
13:45<paco>i think a simple upgrade does not solve the problem
13:46<paco>the stable branch is very slow
13:46<paco>and use old software
13:46<jordanm>you can get the backports kernel, which includes the driver, but lenny still lacks some usespace tools
13:46<paco>consider upgrade to testing
13:46<abrotman>Gogi: this channel still doesn't support ubuntu, please go ask them
13:46<abrotman>edbian: yes ..
13:46<Krishnandu>paco, Hmm..!! :P
13:46<jordanm>Krishnandu: I disagree with paco
13:47<edbian>abrotman, Can you elaborate? The man pages indicate they do the same thing? (inserting / removing modules)
13:47<paco>@Krishnandu, @jordanm i also disagree with paco! :) i think the better way is pinning and use only kernel from testing
13:47<f8l>!tell edbian about insmod
13:47<abrotman>edbian: which man page?
13:48<dpkg>i heard rmmod is a command that should not be used, use 'modprobe -r' (or <modconf>) instead
13:48<abrotman>edbian: they don't do the same thing
13:48<Mort>i have a question
13:48<Krishnandu>jordanm, I think putting the fedora boot loader will be better...
13:48<edbian>man insmod, man modprobe
13:48<Mort>How i can install latest xmonad on debian lenny?
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13:48<jordanm>paco: why testing when backports its much safer and has the same kernel?
13:48<abrotman>rmmod and modprobe -r do different things
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13:48<edbian>btw, dpkg doesn't seem to think rmmod is a command
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13:49<f8l>,versions xmonad
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13:49<judd>Package xmonad on i386 -- lenny: 0.7-2; lenny-backports: 0.8-1~bpo50+1; sid: 0.9.1-2+b1; squeeze: 0.9.1-2+b1
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13:49<dpkg>Sorry, that command doesn't exist. Surely you meant "modprobe"? modprobe also loads dependencies, insmod only loads what you tell it to load. NEVER attempt to use insmod under Linux 2.6. Use modprobe. Did we mention "modprobe" yet? Taunting Happy Fun Ball causes cancer
13:49<paco>@jordanm are backports approved by debian or are them supported from third party?
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13:49<jordanm>paco: they are official as of a few weeks ago, but they were always maintained by debian developers
13:50<Mort>f8l ?
13:50<f8l>!tell Mort about backports
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13:50<abrotman>@foo is so annoying
13:50<paco>ok i agree with the backports so :)
13:50<edbian>How are insmod/rmmod and modprobe different?
13:50<abrotman>the man pages tell you
13:50<abrotman>and the kernel docs too
13:51<Krishnandu>hey guys I can't install firefox...!! I think I haven't enabled required repository...but souldn't it exist in the main repo..??
13:51<Mort>where is sources.list?
13:51<abrotman>Krishnandu: aptitude install iceweasel
13:51<dpkg>Iceweasel is a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces it in Debian as of Etch. It is not GNU's Firefox fork (now known as <IceCat>). Ask me about <why iceweasel> and <iceweasel user-agent>. Use gnome-default-applications-properties to change settings such as the mail reader.
13:51<Krishnandu>abrotman, i have that already. It came by defau;t
13:52<abrotman>that's firefox
13:52<edbian>abrotman, All it says in rmmod and insmod is that modprobe should be used instead because it is more clever. Is that all the documentation I can get? Where are kernel docs?
13:52<Krishnandu>but whats the problem with firefox..??
13:52<Krishnandu>ORIGINAL FIREFOX please...
13:52<jordanm>!why iceweasel
13:52<dpkg>Due to Mozilla logos licensing, Mozilla software isn't DFSG-free, so Debian distributes Mozilla software with different logos. One day Mozilla Corporation decided to revoke the agreement to let Debian use Mozilla trademarks, so Debian changed to non-trademarked product names. See for more information. Ask me about <dfsg>.
13:52<abrotman>edbian: why don't you want to use modprobe ?
13:52<abrotman>Krishnandu: it's not in debian ..
13:52<Krishnandu>abrotman, lol..!! why so..??
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13:53<abrotman>Krishnandu: can you not see the bot?
13:53<jordanm>Krishnandu: see factoid above
13:53<edbian>abrotman, I don't care what I use. I want to know how they're different.
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13:53<f8l>!tell Mort about sources
13:53<abrotman>edbian: the man page freaking tells you ..
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13:53<paco>@Krishnandu there is no code difference...only logo changes, it is a licensing issue
13:53<dpkg>@ is used to separate the username from the hostname in an email address, to denote channel operators on IRC, and to direct comments to particular users in some web forums. It is NOT used to direct comments on IRC; use "name: ..." instead of "@name ...".
13:53<Krishnandu>paco, jordanm abrotman thanks..!! But whats DFSG..??
13:54<dpkg>DFSG is the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which are explained at . For a full list of DFSG-compatible/incompatible software licenses, see
13:54<abrotman>!tell Krishnandu about msg the bot
13:54<Krishnandu>hmm got it..!!
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13:55<edbian>abrotman, Well I don't see where but fine. I'll just google it.
13:55<Krishnandu>lol...debian don't include FF but inclues mp3 codecs..!!
13:55<abrotman>edbian: the only advantage to using insmod is that it can take a full path to a module
13:56<abrotman>Krishnandu: Mozilla asked us to stop distributing FF .. we didn't choose to exclude it
13:56<Krishnandu>abrotman, hmm.. :(
13:56<paco>Krishnandu: by the way, you can also use firefox (i'm using it now) downloading it from the mozilla website but there is no difference
13:56<Krishnandu>paco, Ya..!!
13:56<Krishnandu>paco, It's ok..!! I've no problem using this ice...
13:56<EmleyMoor>Damn - looks like a "go back to last night" is in order
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13:57<edbian>abrotman, If that's the only difference then why does it matter which one you use? Am I confused about something here?
13:57<EmleyMoor>Is there a good live CD from which I can restore stuff from a USB disk to a software RAID array?
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13:57<abrotman>edbian: that's not the only difference .. that's the only advantage of using insmod
13:57<Krishnandu>paco, jordanm thanks guys..!! for all the help..!!
13:58<locklace>!tell EmleyMoor about grml
13:58<paco>Krishnandu: you're wellcome
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13:58<Krishnandu>abrotman, you too buddy..!!
13:58<Mort>where does apt-get stores all the packages that got downloaded?
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13:59<Krishnandu>Debian is nice..!! Though I think it lacks little behind comparable to other OSes
13:59<locklace>Mort: /var/cache/apt/archives
13:59<Mort>locklace, can i remove that?
13:59<Krishnandu>But this will help me learning..!! :D
13:59<amphi>Mort: apt-get clean
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14:00*EmleyMoor will give grml a try
14:01<Krishnandu>Ok bye guys..!! :) Thank you all again..!! :)
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14:08*EmleyMoor is not keen on having to roll back but can't do anything else
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14:12<abrotman>EmleyMoor: reinstall the packages?
14:13<EmleyMoor>abrotman: Can't even do that
14:13<abrotman>why not /
14:13<EmleyMoor>Everything is too broken, unless of course you can help me
14:13<abrotman>what happens if you try to .. aptitude install bash ?
14:13<EmleyMoor>Can't find aptitude
14:13<abrotman>aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>
14:14<abrotman>you don't have aptitude anymore?
14:14<abrotman>or it's not in your path ?
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14:15<abrotman>EmleyMoor: ?
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14:16<EmleyMoor>Not in /usr/bin, at least
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14:16<abrotman>do you have apt-get?
14:17<blowback>EmleyMoor: /usr/sbin
14:17<abrotman>aptitude lives in /usr/bin/
14:17<abrotman>oh .. not really
14:18<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... something is in /usr/bin called aptitude
14:18<abrotman>do you have aptitude-curses ?
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14:19<abrotman>do you have dpkg even ?
14:19<EmleyMoor>Yes, I do
14:20<EmleyMoor>Should I try that command with it?
14:20<abrotman>but if you type 'aptitude' .. it doesn't work ?
14:21<abrotman>you can try it .. i've never used it like that .. see what happens
14:21<abrotman>let me know if it works before you start doing them one by one
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14:22<EmleyMoor>The install of bash is a success
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14:23<abrotman>EmleyMoor: so you should be able to do something like: aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall '~i' .. or someting like that
14:23<abrotman>obviously you won't get your modified files :)
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14:25<abrotman>EmleyMoor: is it working or failing ?
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14:28<abrotman>on what?
14:28<EmleyMoor>That aptitude command you suggested
14:29<abrotman>it didn't go anywhere? just segfault ?
14:29<abrotman>try aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall
14:29<abrotman>try aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall '~prequired'
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14:30<abrotman>well, maybe it's time to start one by one :)
14:31<abrotman>can you: aptitude search '~prequired' .. to see what they are?
14:31<EmleyMoor>No - segfault
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14:33<dpkg>reinstall is probably aptitude reinstall '~i' ; or COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install . See also <aptitude clone> <debian clone>
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14:36<EmleyMoor>Damn, awk amiss
14:37<abrotman>i doubt it ..
14:37<abrotman>replace 'awk' with 'gawk'
14:38<EmleyMoor>Lots of "not possible, cannot be downloaded" messages now
14:38<abrotman>EmleyMoor: and you'll want to add the -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss"
14:38<abrotman>did you create a /etc/apt/sources.list ?
14:38<EmleyMoor>abrotman: Yes
14:38<abrotman>was your system out of date?
14:39<EmleyMoor>How do you mean?
14:39<abrotman>nevermind ..
14:39<abrotman>okay .. is it installing any packages /
14:39<abrotman>it says none can be downloaded ?
14:40<abrotman>does your internet work on that box ?
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14:40<EmleyMoor>This is that box - and it partially works
14:40<abrotman>can you resolve the ip for the domain you're trying to connect to with apt ?
14:41<EmleyMoor>Doesn't look like it
14:41<abrotman>so perhaps create a /etc/resolv.conf and put something useful in it :)
14:42<abrotman>oh .. and you might hvae to create your /etc/nsswitch.conf
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14:44<Impulse>is this the channel for questions about the debian install?
14:45<abrotman>yes, you can try here
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14:46<Impulse>i am installing debian on a HP MV5140 NAS
14:46<Impulse>it is going good, the device has 2 SATA HDD
14:46<Impulse>i want to set this up as an encrypted raid 1
14:46<EmleyMoor>Doing some work now
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14:46<Impulse>is there an ideal way to setup the partition table
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14:46<Impulse>i've been googleing around
14:47<Impulse>but i'm still not sure if / should be on the raid
14:47<Impulse>or if I should make 2 raid partitions 1 for / and 1 for /home
14:47<abrotman>EmleyMoor: is it kind of owrking ?
14:47<abrotman>Impulse: yu'd have to tell us more about the purpose of the machine
14:48<Impulse>it's going to be a server
14:48<EmleyMoor>abrotman: Yes - but you mentioned that --force-confmiss option - how on the method with dpkg and gawk do you do that?
14:48<Impulse>want to run, BACKUPPC, subversion, ftp
14:48<Impulse>main server behind dnydns
14:49<abrotman>COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install
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14:50<EmleyMoor>Could not perform immediate configuration on bash
14:50<Impulse>want to have at least /home encrypted incase it gets stollen
14:50*EmleyMoor is now extremely tempted to roll back
14:52<abrotman>EmleyMoor: so it didn't install any packages?
14:52<abrotman>EmleyMoor: did it at least download them ?
14:52<edbian>If I point my repos at squeeze (currently testing) when squeeze becomes stable what will happen to my system? Will I be pointed at the stable squeeze repos or the new testing repos?
14:52<EmleyMoor>Not successfully, no - it did some downlaeding though
14:52<edbian>(currently on lenny)
14:53<abrotman>edbian: you would be tracking squeeze .. this is generally a good idea
14:53<abrotman>EmleyMoor: not all though ?
14:53<EmleyMoor>edbian: squeeze is always squeeze, whether it's testing, stable or oldstable
14:53<EmleyMoor>abrotman: No
14:53<edbian>EmleyMoor, abrotman Thanks.
14:53<abrotman>EmleyMoor: that's a bit weird
14:54<EmleyMoor>The new testing will be wheezy
14:54<edbian>Oh yeah? Cute
14:54<EmleyMoor>I am definitely giving up on this and rolling back
14:54<edbian>Any significance to the penguin?
14:54<EmleyMoor>Yes, named after it
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14:56<dpkg>The release after squeeze will be called "wheezy" (the rubber toy penguin with a red bow tie), and will be Debian 7.0.
14:56<abrotman>EmleyMoor: no more trying ?
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15:05<Impulse>i'm giong to set it up as two seperate logical raid paritions
15:05<Impulse>one for / and one for /home
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15:09<asedere>new on debian squeeze 64 bit, cannot install flash, i have uninstalled gnash and I don't know how to install adobe flash 64.
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15:10<EmleyMoor>Is there a way to mount lvm volumes in grml?
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15:11<demonii>is debian a sort of ms-dos windows freebsd clone?
15:11<abrotman>demonii: please read
15:12<demonii>Debian is a free operating system (OS) for your computer. An operating system is the set of basic programs and utilities that make your computer run. Debian uses the Linux kernel (the core of an operating system), but most of the basic OS tools come from the GNU project; hence the name GNU/Linux.
15:12<demonii>ah, more freeware
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15:17<demonii>do you love communism and all that?
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15:18<cthuluh>yes of course
15:18<cthuluh>we're all communists
15:18<Impulse>we love beer too
15:18<cthuluh>and we eat babies
15:18<cthuluh>oh, and beer
15:18<abrotman>maybe stop feeding the troll ?
15:18<dpkg>#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
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15:19<cthuluh>abrotman: what about kicking the troll out there? ;)
15:19<demonii>you beer?
15:19<abrotman>just stop feeding him .. he'll go away .. show some self control
15:19<demonii>come on, communists are about peace and all that crap
15:20<abrotman>demonii: please go troll somewhere else
15:20<cthuluh>abrotman: hard to resist, but I'll try :>
15:20<demonii>maybe i want to learn
15:20<demonii>why punish me so quick for beying different?
15:21<abrotman>demonii: do you have a Debian related question?
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15:21<Impulse>is there any good reason to put cryto on /
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15:29<demonii>communist fags
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15:46<amakusa>hello, does anyone know if irssi supports file transfers?
15:46<mAniAk->it doess
15:46<mAniAk-> /help dcc
15:47<amakusa>I see, thanks
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15:55<pipe>Hm. I just installed Debian Lenny, and I wanted to add something to sysctl.conf
15:55<pipe>I noticed there's also a sysctl.d directory, but is that actually used?
15:55<pipe>sysctl -p doesn't seem to read it, and the manpage for sysctl.conf doesn't mention it
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15:58<pipe>Ah, /etc/init.d/procps restart
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16:13<jhutchins_lt>pipe: Yeah, that's getting pretty standard, it's a potential way for other packages to interact by dropping their own config files there.
16:13<jhutchins_lt>pipe: I've seen some systems where it wasn't enabled, you need to add or uncomment an include statement.
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16:19<EmleyMoor>I've got some post-rollback issues... for a start, hal isn't starting
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16:23<EmleyMoor>fetchmail reports "failed!" when I try to start it
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16:30<EmleyMoor>Where are lockfiles typically kept?
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16:30<llutz>EmleyMoor: /var/lock
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16:30<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... nothing for the affected processes
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16:33<EmleyMoor>Another thing - my horde portal page is whited out
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16:35<feem>the internet is srs buisness right
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16:37<EmleyMoor>Also, I can't send any mail either - all this since rolling back...
16:38<EmleyMoor>Is there anything I should check/delete having restored a backup?
16:38<feem>you can roll back my foreskin anytime you want
16:39<abrotman>feem: not funny, go somewhere else
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16:39<feem>no you
16:40<feem>show tits
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16:41<EmleyMoor>Is there a good way to see all the messages from before the login prompt? That may give me a better idea of what's failing
16:42<EmleyMoor>Not dmesg - that doesn't include what I want to see
16:43<dpkg>well, bootlogd is disabled by default. Change /etc/default/bootlogd to "Yes" to populate /var/log/boot . For the reason behind the default, see (fixed since sysvinit 2.86.ds1-11). Not a command (as opposed to dmesg).
16:44<EmleyMoor>OK - may well enable and reboot
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16:50*EmleyMoor will pastebin the errors he is seeing in the bootlog...
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16:55<lazaax>&join chking
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16:57<lazaax>!chk 111
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17:00<abrotman>lazaax: do you need hel p?
17:01<lazaax>why where i am
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17:02<abrotman>lazaax: in a help channel
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17:05<jhutchins_lt>Another pre-configured irc client?
17:05<abrotman>who knows
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17:06<amakusa>hello, I'm having problems with file transfers in irssi, I send the message to request the file but when I press ctrl+n I see the file request but I don't know what to do from there to accpet the file and set the path, any ideas?
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17:08<jhutchins_lt>amakusa: Are you behind a NAT firewall?
17:08<abrotman>did you look at the irssi docs ?
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17:09<amakusa>abrotman, jhutchins_lt : I did see the docs, but I still cannot figure out how to accept the transfer, and I'm not behind a NAT firewall afaik
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17:20<annkas>I want to help a ffriend of mine to rescue data from a disk with bad sectors - I'm trying to use dd - but it takes ages 840 kb/m. What shall I do? The harddrive is NTFS
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17:23<jhutchins_lt>annttu: That is probably a function of the bad sectors.
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17:53<amakusa>anyone know how to view hidden files in terminal?
17:53<petemc>ls -l
17:54<petemc>sorry, ls -a
17:54<petemc>i generally use ls -la
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17:55<amakusa>got it, thanks
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18:32<aprendiz>oi tudo bom?
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18:32<aprendiz>e a primeira vez que eu entro num irc...
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18:32<aprendiz>começei a usar o linux e to gostando muito
18:32<themill>!ubuntu-br aprendiz
18:32<dpkg>aprendiz: Este canal e para suportar o Debian em Ingles. Por favor, /server depois /join #ubuntu-br.
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18:33<aprendiz>ok obrigado!
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18:37<amakusa>when I type "/msg dcc_autoget = ON" in irssi it tells me that the only values available are ON, OFF and TOGGLE, and it goes to OFF automatically, anyone know how to fix this?
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18:37<amakusa>sorry, I meant "set dcc_autoget = ON"
18:38<mAniAk->it goes to off auto?
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18:38<amakusa>yes, it sets to off and it doesn't let me change it
18:38<mAniAk->i have it on
18:38<mAniAk->and for it to work you have to add autoget hosts
18:40<amakusa>everytime I want to download something via irc the file is placed on queue but it times out, setting it to ON would fix that right?
18:41<mAniAk->just /dcc get it then?
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18:45<amakusa>I dont understand what you mean, I use a command like:"/msg <channel>|<bot> xdcc send <file>" I see a message aknowledging the DL attempt but it never starts nor asks me where to save it and it times out
18:46<mAniAk->it wont either
18:46<mAniAk->you set it beforehand
18:46<mAniAk->'/set dcc'
18:46<mAniAk->and youll see all the options
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18:47<mAniAk-> dcc_download_path = ~
18:47<mAniAk->~ would be your home folder
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18:50<_ty4298>could anyone tell me what is the vulnerable bit when you do "full" system encryption with the alternate install cd?
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18:51<f8l>_ty4298: Alternate install CD?
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18:52<_ty4298>sorry i mean the text based installer
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18:53<eightyeight>_ty4298: you should probably join #ubuntu with your question. this is a debian-support channel
18:53<_ty4298>im transitioning to debian
18:55<_ty4298>but i can ask in both channels as the installation method is the same
18:55*f8l needs to make a dummy Debian install just to see the news in d-i.
18:56<eightyeight>_ty4298: the alternate installer is not a debian product. so it should not be asked here
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18:57<_ty4298>eightyeight, didn't you see me correct myself!? :O
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18:57<eightyeight>_ty4298: yes. i did. what don't you understand?
18:59<_ty4298>_ty4298> could anyone tell me what is the vulnerable bit when you do "full" system encryption with the alternate install cd?
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18:59<_ty4298><_ty4298> sorry i mean the text based installer
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19:00<EmleyMoor>My bootlog errors:
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19:03<_ty4298>is this an idler RPG?
19:04<f8l>EmleyMoor: Lots of "cannot stat" errors. Is your fstab in good condition?
19:04<f8l>_ty4298: What is an idler RPG?
19:05<EmleyMoor>f8l: No problem there
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19:08<eightyeight>_ty4298: are you using the ubuntu installer or the debian installer?
19:09<eightyeight>f8l: the only 'rpg' i'm familiar with is 'role playing game'
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19:11<f8l>eightyeight: It is also a weapon, and a programing language.
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19:13<EmleyMoor>It seems my restore has screwed up some ownerships
19:13<eightyeight>f8l: ah. i knew of it as a weapon actually. didn't know if it as a programming language though
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19:20<EmleyMoor>Still no hal...
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19:43<NOMADICUS>Hello, I am trying to create a Debian usb installer with the debian-506-amd64-DVD-1.iso, debian-506-i386-DVD-1.iso, debian-506-i386-netinst.iso, debian-506-i386-xfce+lxde-CD-1.iso, and debian-506-i386-kde-CD-1.iso images. It totals 11 GB or so. I also want to add a persistant feature rich and versatile, yet light weight, Debian recovery distro. What will I need to accomplish this?
19:44<NOMADICUS>And . . . What Distro is optimum for recovery?
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19:53<edbian>Is switching to squeeze now a bad idea?
19:54<kmap>edbian: I installed squeeze on a fresh install, and I love it. Naturally, YMMV
19:54<edbian>kmap, sorry ymmv ?
19:55<dpkg>hmm... ymmv is an abbreviation of "Your mileage may vary."
19:55<edbian>kmap, I'm gonna burn a live CD and try it out.
19:56<kmap>edbian: But, again, unless you come across a package which is currently broken, I don't think you should face much trouble.
19:57<edbian>There's still a lot of bugs in general:
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19:58<kmap>I don't deny that.
19:58<edbian>Why is the live image >1Gb?
19:58<kmap>All I am saying is, you should be OK unless one of those bugs bites you, and it is likely that most of them won't
19:59<edbian>kmap, I see :)
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20:01<edbian>Anybody? Why is the live image >1Gb?
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20:21<edbian>Tommos, But I'm looking for the testing live CD
20:21<edbian>Maybe I should just switch my repos...
20:25<qq->edbian, 187M > live-60alpha2-i386-standard.iso
20:26<edbian>qq-, That's on entire live CD? How is that possible? Gnome along is >187Mb?
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20:26<qq->edbian, note 'standard'
20:27<edbian>qq-, So what it's cli only?
20:27<qq->and yes it's entire live CD
20:29<qq->from 'testing', exactly as you wished
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20:48<Brian_R>I've googled on this, but nothing found so far. Anyone have experience with Debian (lenny or squeeze) on a Toshiba satellite a215-s7416?
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20:58<Martian67>Brian_R, please describe the issue
20:59<Brian_R>I haven't found entries on the Debian HCL that I've found for the laptop (I just posted an lspci -n to it).
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21:07<acu>what is the best book on Network Administration in Enterprise ?
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21:14<Tommos>Brian_R -> just try? :)
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21:23<deepu>why do we use gcc. i am a beginner to use linux
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21:23<deepu>anyone there.............
21:23<dpkg>i guess gcc is the GNU Compiler Collection, see . In order to change which version it should use, "export CC=gcc-$whatever", as /usr/bin symlinks (gcc, g++, et al) are not handled using Debian <alternatives>; see /usr/share/doc/gcc/README.Debian. Ask me about <gcc-doc>.
21:23<Tommos>also there's google
21:24<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
21:24<eightyeight>deepu: we use gcc because we're a gnu-based operating system. would you recommend a different compiler?
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21:25<mansi>Hi friends, I need to connect to my running desktop from multiple clients. Please advice on which program to use
21:25<mansi>I suspect x11vnc allows only one connection at a time
21:26<deepu>ohk thanks.
21:26<eightyeight>mansi: i'd recommend ssh
21:26<qq->ssh -X
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21:26<eightyeight>mansi: also, vnc allows multiple connections, if connected to multiple ports
21:26<eightyeight>mansi: you could also check out freenx
21:26<eightyeight>that should keep you busy for a whil
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21:29<mansi>eightyeight: Okay, thanks a lot for that info. I need to take some class for three students . Those three must see what I am doing in the screen
21:29<mansi>so you recommend ssh -X ? isnt it?
21:30<eightyeight>you didn't qualify what you were doing
21:30<eightyeight>so no, i wouldn't recommend ssh -X for that scenario
21:30<eightyeight>i would recommend vnc, read only, all connected to the same port for each client
21:31<mansi>Actually I have been using krfb all these days, when number of student was one
21:31<mansi>but it would refuse multiple connection
21:31<mansi>So I can use vnc4server or x11vnc server? Which is suited for this scenario?
21:32<eightyeight>pick your poison
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21:34<mansi>eightyeight: Okay gr8, but when i googled, i had the impression that vnc4server only allows you to new desktop screen, other than the running desktop. Me just came here to clear that doubt :)
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21:38<mansi>Have anyone connected to running desktop session using vnc4server?
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21:43<jhutchins_lt>mansi: I suspect that the answer is not here. There may be a vnc client that allows this, but you will have to research each client to find which can do this.
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21:46<qq->mansi, apt-cache search remote desktop protocol
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21:50<mansi>Okay friends, I think I need to thorough research to find the answer. Anyway, i have seen people doing this on RHEL systems at RHCE training. But i donno the server they were using
21:50<jhutchins_lt>Sometimes RedHat cheats.
21:51<Brian_R>Alright, I'm back with the machine whose owner wants to try debian
21:52<mansi>:) But anyway I saw them connecting multiple clients to a running desktop
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21:53<qq->mansi, and running desktop was linux ?
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21:54<jhutchins_lt>This is not impossible, but is generally outside the scope of debian support. Not that we wouldn't like to help you, but we don't have the knowledge.
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21:56<Lantizia>Hey if I want the git, cvs and svn client apps only... apt-get install git-core subversion cvs ?
21:56<Lantizia>I ask this in case there is anything smaller I've missed to give just client only for checkout purposes
21:56<mansi>qq- The desktop was running RHEL 5.0 and all the clients were RHEL 5.0. And I saw the same thing being done on Fedora at the VLSI lab in our college.
21:58<mansi>Friends anyways i found out some clues :-D ""
21:58<mansi>"Use the -shared option to have x11vnc allow multiple clients to connect simultaneously."
21:59<qq->With Vinagre you can have several connections open simultaneously ...
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21:59<pipe>mansi: all vnc packages should allow multiple viewers, and x11vnc seems to be what you want
22:01<mansi>pipe: the problem was I need multiple connection to the same running desktop screen, instead of creating new screens
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22:01<pipe>mansi: x11vnc should take care of that
22:01<pipe>mansi: although I have never actually tested it
22:02<mansi>pipe: okay gr8, anyways right now i am testing in my lab now :) I need debain as the server and OpenSuSE and CentOS to connect to that.
22:03<mansi>Have four systems altogether here now
22:03<pipe>what you connect with is of no importance anyway
22:03<mansi>yah, thats true
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22:13<Willkiller>idioma pt_br?
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22:15<Willkiller>no backtrack 4
22:16<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
22:16<Willkiller>desculpe novo aqui
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22:30<Lantizia>Hey can I query tasksel somehow for that is included in "Standard packages" ?
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22:51<qq->Lantizia, something like in
22:51<bgat>Let's say I specify two .deb files in my command line to dpkg --install, and that one of those packages depends on the other. Will dpkg always install the two packages in the proper order? What about if it's three (or more) packages?
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22:52<qq->bgat, TIAS
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22:53<qq->bgat, not recommended installing random .deb files
22:53<bgat>Ok, so if I have a script that just does the equivalent of "sudo dpkg --install /path/to/somewhere/*deb", dpkg will always do the Right Thing?
22:54<bgat>qq-: agreed. I'll be supplying the .deb files at issue. I just want to know how smart I have to make the end user's installation script for them. :)
22:54<qq->bgat, what's your real issue ?
22:54<dpkg>TIAS is "Try It And See".
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22:56<bgat>qq-: I'm trying to set up an infrastructure for maintaining autonomous machines, by periodically presenting them with a USB drive containing little more than a bunch of .deb files that I want the machine to install. I have the security parts worked out, I just want to know if I have to also supply an installation script to install the packages in some predetermined order, or if dpkg will do this for me.
22:58<bgat>I'm thinking that it will be more generally useful to have the daemon that looks for the USB drive to always expect a script to run; sometimes that script will be just "sudo dpkg --install *.deb", but other times it will be a handy hook for doing more general maintenance.
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22:58<bgat>I can't shake the feeling that I'm reinventing a bunch of wheels here, tho. :)
23:00<qq->bgat, why don't you do it remotely ...?
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23:00<bgat>qq-: ultimately I will, but the target machines don't always have network connections: they will be mounted on locomotives :)
23:02<Lantizia>Do I get need "apt-get install ntp" (and nothing more) if I want to get my server automagically contact some default NTP servers to sync time? or do I need to do more than that?
23:02<bgat>pipe: :)
23:02<pipe>Lantizia: That should be enough unless you're firewalled
23:03<bgat>pipe: no, but that would be kinda cool to think about...
23:03<Lantizia>pipe, ok thanks... before I've been getting ntpdate and cron'ing it as older "ntp" packages didn't put itself if cron if that is right?
23:03<pipe>ntp shouldn't run in cron
23:05<Lantizia>pipe, that is how the ntp package does it
23:05<Lantizia>pipe, /etc/cron.daily/ntp
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23:08<pipe>That's just log rotation
23:08<pipe>ntp is meant to run as a daemon
23:08<pipe>Constantly adjusting and measuring the clock
23:09<Lantizia>pipe, ok well it does that as default yeah? i.e. no config needed?
23:09<pipe>It should, unless it's buggy :P
23:09<Lantizia>ok great :)
23:09<pipe>You might want to set the timeservers to something closer to your location
23:09<pipe>But it's not necessary
23:10<Lantizia>I've got my own timeservers, will set them later in /etc/ntp.conf
23:11<pipe>Also, you might want to run chrony instead
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23:14<astronut>by name
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23:19<Impulse>can I setup a static IP and still get the dns servers from my router?
23:20<astronut>not easily
23:21<astronut>you have to do a DHCP request to get the dns servers
23:21<astronut>however, they're generally static
23:21<astronut>so i don't see why you want to
23:21<Impulse>they are assigned by my isp
23:22<astronut>but they're going to be consistent across dns leases
23:22<astronut>so you just get them once and use them
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23:22<Impulse>where do i put the dns IPs?
23:23<Impulse>in /etc/network/interfaces ?
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23:30<astronut>in /etc/resolv.conf
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23:32<qq->Impulse, dns IPs ? nowhere , the router use it , used use router dns
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23:32<qq->s/used/ user
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23:33<astronut>qq-: hmm?
23:34<qq->astronut, thats how it works here
23:35<astronut>qq-: i didn't understand what you're saying
23:35<astronut>but i can guess
23:35<astronut>you're using your router's internal dns server as a cache for your ISPs?
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23:36<qq->no, that's router works , user's pc use only router dns data
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23:38<Impulse>i just changed it in /etc/network/interfaces
23:39<Impulse>but, now i can't get to the devie
23:39<Impulse>but, now i can't get to the device
23:39<Impulse>i'm screwed
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23:42<Impulse>anyone know how to do a broadcast ping in windows?
23:43<qq->Impulse, wrong channel
23:43<Impulse>i'm trying to rediscover my debian nas box
23:43<Impulse>that i just lost
23:43<jpinx-eeepc>Impulse: ping is the same in XP
23:46<Impulse>microsoft took the -b option out of ping, so nice of them
23:52<Impulse>can't believe it
23:53<Impulse>if i do expert mode with the debian installer
23:53<Impulse>can i get to a command prompt for recovery?
23:54<qq-> recovery what ?
23:55<qq->recovery is windows therm
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23:56<jpinx-eeepc>what are you trying to do Impulse - I'm too lazy to read the scrollback ;)
23:57<qq->Impulse, man ping | grep broadcast
23:58<qq->jpinx-eeepc, he don't know , spamming ?
23:58<jpinx-eeepc>qq-: what TZ are you in - or do you never sleep ? ;)
23:59<qq->-2 ..
23:59<Impulse>i just completed a debian install on a HP MV5150
23:59<jpinx-eeepc>5.50am now? O.O
23:59<Impulse>and tried to change the ip address to static
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