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#debian IRC Logs for 2010-09-27

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00:59<jcharly2>hey
00:59<jcharly2>trying to configure an sniffer
00:59<jcharly2>any clue_
00:59<jcharly2>?
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01:05<jcharly2>hi
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01:53<JC>rf
01:53<JC>asdf
01:53<JC>what-s up
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02:20<dserban_>which *disk prints the partition sizes, I want to add a spare with the correct partition sizes to an md
02:20<Rob-Zombie>hi all
02:20<jm_>fdisk, /proc/partitions ...
02:20<Rob-Zombie>fdisk -l ?
02:21<dserban_>danke
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02:37<watabe>dd if=/current/disk of=/new/disk count=1 bs=512 should do the trick
02:39<Rob-Zombie>dd if=/current/disk of=/dev/zero :D
02:39<watabe>that's no good
02:40<Rob-Zombie>xD
02:40<watabe>dd if=/dev/zero of=/current/disk == disk optimization
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03:02<pipe>dserban_: I prefer sfdisk when I want to clone partition tables etc
03:04<pipe>dserban_: sfdisk -d /dev/hda | sfdisk /dev/hdb for example
03:04<pipe>Also great for scripting partitioning
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03:21<dserban_>pipe: that's the one I was looking for... I gotta get my own personal wiki to remember this stuff
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03:24<dserban_>what do you guys recommend for an imap server? I've been using dovecot for eons, but with each release it seems to be getting worse. Drops indexes, corrupts some files, segfaults etc. It hasn't gotten any better as squeeze includes an old version namely 1.2 when 2.0+ has been out for a while it seems.
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03:54<reklipz>upon boot I'm receiving messages from udevd complaining about the use of SYSFS={} vs ATTR={} (perhaps it's ATTRS=, too quick to tell and I can't find a log of it in /var/log). I realize this is probably nothing to worry about, as the system boots, but I've been seeing this for a while now, and I would have expected the maintainers to have taken care of it by now.
03:54<reklipz>What's the deal?
03:56<reklipz>Err... I'm not complaining here, just trying to get a feel for what this is telling me and what I should do about it.
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03:57<jm_>reklipz: SYSFS has been removed in recent versions of udev IIRC
03:57<Rob-Zombie>esos mensajes salen cuando tienes discos con lvm
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03:57<jm_>or there's a warning that this will be done or somesuch
03:57<reklipz>yeah, that is the warning I am receiving.
03:58<reklipz>Should I just let it be then?
03:58<reklipz>-Wall...
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03:59<reklipz>I also receive this message everytime I dist-upgrade -- http://pastebin.com/DtKcMrwY
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04:00<reklipz>Can anyone explain what's going on here too? I think the issue is that my hal-cups-utils is too old, but there is no newer package, even in sid...
04:01<jm_>just ignore the warning or find out which package it's from and check BTS
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04:02<reklipz>That i reference to the udev warning, or the cups package issue?
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04:03<reklipz>udev it is. thanks for the help jm_
04:04<jm_>reklipz: udev, as for the last one, isn't it mostly self explanatory?
04:04<reklipz>the conflicts message is a bit confusing, but I made sense of it.
04:05<reklipz>the fact that the package is only recommended and that I was getting such a verbose prompt was confusing
04:05<jm_>the version that it's trying to install has a Conflicts: hal-cups-utils (< 0.6.17) entry, but your current version is 0.6.16-3
04:05<reklipz>I recently started using aptitude rather than apt-get, perhaps this is normal
04:05<reklipz>right, but there is no package providing 0.6.17
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04:07<jm_>right
04:08<reklipz>thus, I'm confused why there would even be a version of system-config-printer-udev that would require a version of a package that doesn't exist
04:08<reklipz>as no one could use it
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04:10<jm_>apparently hal-cups-utils has been removed
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04:10<reklipz>okay, so where does that leave me? heh
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04:10<jm_>probably just wait for a while to see what happens
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04:11<reklipz>alright, sounds good.
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04:47<james333james>Anynody there?
04:47<dserban_>nope
04:48<james333james>wow
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04:48<gbsd>that's 406 x "no"
04:48<james333james>anyway here is the question: Actually I'm using Linux Mint Isadora 9 and i would like to switch to Debian. Which trouble will I encounter ?
04:48<gbsd>it won't be green, for a start
04:49<gbsd>when you say "switch", do you mean, just "use as your new desktop"
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04:50<dserban_>well, save your stuff, blow it away, install deb, restore your stuff, go nuts
04:50<james333james>gbsd: i'm not an expert linux user so yes i'll think that i will installa Debian + Gnome and i will use as my new desktop
04:51<gbsd>yes, sounds good, _make sure_ that you back up all of your stuff
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04:51<james333james>gbsd: wiil i ecounter problems? Is that really hard to use ?
04:51<dserban_>ie if no specific settings you care about as a whole are there, then you're only concerned as to what's in your user directory
04:52<gbsd>you may encounter more "problems" with media files etc, but that isn't insurmountable. It's no harder to use than any other gnome desktop, and (in our opinion) a lot more stable
04:52<gbsd>(than using a derivative of debian, that is)
04:53<james333james>fbsd: i know that ubuntu and mint are derivated of debian but i don't understand why peopl don't just install Debian and their favourite desktop instead of using Ubuntu or mint etc.
04:53<gbsd>:) yes, "quite" as the English would say
04:53<james333james>fbsd: what do you mean with "Much more stable" ? My mint never crashed or had any problem
04:53<james333james>gbsd: sorry for my English
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04:54<gbsd>well, if you use Debain-stable, its a lot more stable than the "unstable" or equivalent versions. if you haven't had problems then that's fine, a lot of us in here need ultra-stable systems for servers etc or business desktops
04:55<gbsd>your english is fine ;)
04:55<james333james>gbsd: ok thanks so for professional use Debian is the choice
04:56*gbsd is mis-typing Debian a lot more recently :(
04:56<gbsd>yes, but that's just opur opinion, I hava couple of ubuntu desktops under my control, and one Mint
04:56<james333james>Which will be the advantages for a desktop user compared to ubuntu or mint ?
04:56<gbsd>s/opur/our
04:56<james333james>:)+
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04:57<james333james>For Example is Debian + GNOME faster on older machines than Mint or Ubuntu ?
04:57<gbsd>well, not a lot, if you don't have problems, but many people report less CPU utilisation in "normal" desktop tasks, there is less "eye candy", unless you want to install it
04:58<james333james> mhhhh
04:58<gbsd>"yes", is the general answer, when people test/compare. probably because of less stuff running
04:58<gbsd>thogh I havent compared myself, I admit
04:58<james333james>yeah i got, so a mint or ubuntu sytem proper setted maybe will run fast as a Debian
04:59<james333james>anyway if there will be not so many difficulties in using Debian i have just to try it
04:59<gbsd>well, less stuff running = mroe speed/less memory yes
04:59<gbsd>well, remember it's fully customisable, if you need something, install it.
04:59<james333james>I heard that Debian is supported by community instead of Mind and Ubuntu that were funded
04:59<james333james>(Is much more customizable than Ubuntu ??? )
05:00<vlt>Hello. I want to send an HTTP 301 redirect for every request to a spedific IP address. What do I need? An iptables rule and a web server? Do I need apache or is there a smaller solution for this task?
05:00<gbsd>one thing though, sudo is not configured by default in Debian, you may be mmore used to sude, you can add it easily though
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05:01<gbsd>james333james: Debian uses the same package management sub-systems, so is just as customisable, though, admittedly, most people who are hardcore Debian users don't worry so much about "the look" lol
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05:02<james333james>gbsd: OK i got perfetcly, i will get my "mint" really basic and i will have to customize by myself
05:02<gbsd>james333james: but you could have it just as pretty. as for "funding", you won't see a difference unless you have actually used paid-for support i don't think
05:02<james333james>gbsd: maybe this is the reason cos a lot of people us UBUNTU, it's a ready-to-use OS like Windows (maybe better)
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05:03<gbsd>well, yes, that's the basic reason, Windows people are used to lots of eye-candya and lots of applications and widgets lol
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05:04<gbsd>a Debian gnome install is just about ready-to-use, what you don't have you just install in seconds. It's all modular in that sense
05:04<james333james>gbsd: yeah but we have to understand the needs of common people (easy access to office, excel multimedia etc.) not everybody is confortable to start to using a OS in command line as it use to be in the past
05:04<gbsd>one of the great advantages is the APT package management system, it makes things really easy to install
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05:05<james333james>gbsd: yes so it will be not harder, i will just need more time to set it up everything as i desire. That's all
05:05<gbsd>oh don't worry about CLI, you'll have a Gnome desktop remember, for 99% of things, at the beginning#
05:05<james333james>gbsd: it use .deb packages right?
05:05<gbsd>yes, but we install them using synaptic, or apt-get , or aptitude
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05:06<gbsd>we very rarely install them "direct" with dpkg itself
05:06<james333james>bgsd: in my country internet Police use Debian, i heard
05:06<gbsd>in fact, we try to avoid it, so that it's all automatic, even if we prefer commandline
05:07<gbsd>well, it does have advantages, and it's used a lot for servers, it's "easy" to manage, compared to other distros/package managers
05:07<james333james>APT = Synaptic ?
05:08<blarson>!apt
05:08<dpkg>[APT] Advanced Packaging Tool, a package management system used by Debian and its derivatives. There is no apt program per se; APT is a C++ library of functions that are used by several command line programs for dealing with packages, notably apt-get, apt-cache, and aptitude. See also <aptitude> <apt-get>, <apt-cache>, http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/blog/entry/apt-system-diagram/
05:08<james333james>gsbd: (yes once in the past I installed slackware but i had to quit i'm too n00b for that)
05:08<james333james>ok tnx
05:08<gbsd>there's a clue in the names, SynAPTic, APTitude, APT-get, APTitude, they all use the same backend systemm
05:09<gbsd>ah yeas slackware isn't for "noobs",
05:09<james333james>gbsd: ok gread i didn't noticed that
05:09<gbsd>;)
05:09<james333james>gsbd: anyway there is no best distro right? it depends of the use your are goint to do about that
05:09<blarson>dselect also uses apt by default nowdays.
05:09<james333james>gsbd: maybe for a desktop common use Mint is really fine
05:10<gbsd>my mian tip is "stop worrying" about installing software, in the time we have had this conversation you could have installed a desktop GUI even on a commandline-only system, with maybe 2 or 3 lines of CLI, so WITH a GUI from the start, no problems for you
05:10<gbsd>s/mian/main
05:10<james333james>ok !!
05:11<gbsd>yes I'm sure that Mint is fine for you, we're all on the same side, but form Mint support you need to use #Mint or wherever, and Debian support is here, just ask if ever you are stuck
05:12<james333james>ok thanks so much for your avalaibility !
05:12<gbsd>they are more similar underneath that you think, but because of the subtle differences, and the customisations that both Ubuntu and Mint (and all the others use) we can't help with those distro, or we may break something they have customised, and vice-versa
05:12<gbsd>no problem :)
05:13<dserban_>debian is the only way
05:13<dserban_>really
05:13<dserban_>:)
05:13<gbsd>;)
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05:13<gbsd>it's moma to them all
05:13<dserban_>squeeze is pretty sexy, I can't believe people want to use ubuntu
05:13<dserban_>aye
05:13<dserban_>i guess they've got better marketing guys
05:14<gbsd>you hit it bang-on. They have a business to run, and their own agenda, even if it's in the same general direction
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05:14<dserban_>quick q: ... I've run cups for eons, and know how to get around... what I want to do is now install only the client, to connect to a central cups server... it seems that cups as a whole needs to be installed... am i right? or can I just use the cups-client package and go from there? it provides... almost nothin'
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05:14<gbsd>if they flop, less ppl use linux on the desktop, for sure,
05:15<dserban_>yeah
05:15<gbsd>we're printer-less here :) thankfully
05:15<dserban_>well, I tried it just for "easy" setups.. and I find that it crashes like winbloze... a lot
05:15<dserban_>gah
05:16<gbsd>yeah too many segfaults from not-yet-mature packages, it's a shame they can't slow down a bit haha.
05:16<gbsd>stable enough for me to allow it at work though, if they want
05:16<gbsd>their mess is their concern
05:16<gbsd>as is mine
05:17<dserban_>yeah, not to knock it, I just found sticking to debian sid was more stable ... but hey, single user experience here
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05:29<gmvbrp>hola
05:30<gmvbrp>alguna conoce a rafael es de lima
05:30<blarson>!es
05:30<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
05:30<gmvbrp>es que hace mucho tienpo que no chateo
05:31<gbsd>(not much that there)
05:31<jpinx-eeepc>gmvbrp: oye hombre - eso es de debian - no para charlar
05:31<gbsd>s/that/chat sorry
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05:32<gbsd>oh he took that the wrong way :(
05:32<jpinx-eeepc>I don't think so - he was just looking for a mate
05:32<gbsd>ah ok.
05:33<gbsd>he probably heard me being friendly to a Mintoid earlier and decided to chance it :)
05:34*jpinx-eeepc slaps gbsd around with an old trout to make him grumpier
05:35*gbsd quickly jumps back to kernel configs and shouting at Ubuntees
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05:37<locklace>gbsd: itym "ubuntards"
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05:40<gbsd>I'm being nice today - a friend gave me 6TB dump space on his 'Buntu server box. I just know I'll break it before I fill it.
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05:40<jpinx-eeepc>it's going to be full of porn and viruses in no time ;)
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05:44<gbsd>luckily it's not on the inter-webs, it's local
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05:56<EmleyMoor>gbsd: What do you shout at Ubuntees?
05:58<gbsd>"don't come running to Momma when you break it!" usually
05:58<gbsd>and "slow down!" is a common phrase too
05:59<EmleyMoor>To the committed ones, "You bunt, you." - quite a Monty Python word
06:00<gbsd>hehe
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06:02<gbsd>to be honest, looking around an ubuntu box over SSH isn't much different than any other distro, but the /etc configs tend to be quite messy - they do a lot of blind cut&paste from the forums, just an observation
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06:02<petemc>they?
06:02<EmleyMoor>Ubuntees
06:02<gbsd>and Mintoids
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06:04<gbsd>less so of the Mintoids, it may be that Mint is more useable and needs less fiddling for thee average home desktop user, again, just my own observation
06:05<gbsd>but I'm gettng off-topic, I admit
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06:17<xeross>Hey, I want to allow GIT through rssh, is there a package for this or do I need to patch the source
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06:20<Coburn>Howdy.
06:20<Coburn>I'm having some serious problems here.
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06:20<Coburn>I'm working on a Debian based custom distro, and just installed LXDE.
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06:20<Coburn>LXDE boots up fine, and I got LXDM running for the login screen.
06:21<Coburn>However,I don't have any window controls like the Minimize, Maximise and Close controls
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06:21<Coburn>and also windows flicker on and off for some reason, I suspect LXDE is trying to restart the window manager but that doesn't exist.
06:21<Coburn>Any suggestions?
06:22<pipe>You probably do this in a VM.
06:23<Coburn>Yeah
06:23<Coburn>QEMU
06:23<Coburn>Is that the fault?
06:23<pipe>The retarded terminal spawning is
06:23<pipe>No idea why it is so, but it's been there for quite some time now
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06:24<pipe>Or maybe it's not the same problem. I always have the terminal window open and close repeatedly when installing LXDE in QEMU
06:24<Coburn>Yeah, that's the problem
06:24<Coburn>I have any app open
06:24<pipe>Google for it, it's a known bug.
06:24<gbsd>I run LXDE ok in a Virtualbox VM, both home-rolled and from LXDE.iso, no problems like that for me.
06:25<Coburn>I have any app open, they load up fine. Screen flickers, app moves 16pixels down, then offscreen
06:25<pipe>Only happens in QEMU I think, and kvm which is pretty much qemu
06:25<pipe>Coburn: yes.
06:26<Coburn>Hm, okay
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06:26<pipe>Coburn: Can't remember why or what to do about it. It doesn't happen on real hardware or in other VMs apparently.
06:26<Coburn>So QEMU is to blame
06:26<pipe>qemu or openbox :)
06:26<pipe>(the LXDE window manager)
06:26<Coburn>Thanks for confirming this, you don't know how much time it's just saved me
06:27<Coburn>I was just about to put my fist through the monitor, lol
06:27<pipe>If you're lucky there's a simple fix.
06:27*gbsd makes note of that for qemu rollout next week - thanks
06:27<Coburn>Yes?
06:27<Coburn>What fix?
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06:28<pipe>Coburn: I don't know, I just said you're lucky if there is. :)
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06:30<Coburn>Hahaha!
06:30<Coburn>Got the error!
06:30<Coburn>ObRender-ERROR **: Your bit depth is currently unhandled
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06:31<pipe>Coburn: Ah.. right
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06:31<Coburn>Alright, let me try the default QEMU VGA option
06:32<Coburn>Another question
06:32<pipe>Sorry
06:32<pipe>Only one question per day
06:32<Coburn>D:
06:33<Coburn>What's the best way of making my current installed version of Debian into a Live CD?
06:34<Coburn>I'm making a Debian based distro called CoburnOS, and I was just wondering what do I use to convert the system to Live CD format?
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06:35<jm_>try bootcd package
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06:38<Coburn>alrightie
06:38<Coburn>Woohoo!
06:38<Coburn>QEMU was to blame after all,
06:38<Coburn>just switched graphics hardware emulation setting
06:38<Coburn>and volia
06:38<Coburn>OpenBox is working now ;)
06:38<gbsd>Coburn: http://packages.debian.org/lenny/live-magic is what my guy here reckons, he used to mess about with live stuff for a while
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06:40<Coburn>oops, just installed bootcd
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06:41<gbsd>hey np, just play :)
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06:43<Coburn>Heh, no worries.
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06:48<Coburn>gbsd, does that live-magic support LXDE?
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06:49<gbsd>Coburn: 1 minute I'll ask him more, he's on fone right now
06:49<Coburn>gbsd: Thanks a bundle ;)
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06:51<Jim-theBGPguy>which nick Gord?
06:51<gbsd>Coburn
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06:52<Jim-theBGPguy>Coburn: live-magic is a ground-up live-cd builder-thing, so supports amlost everything
06:53<Jim-theBGPguy>(I'm gbsd's mate)
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06:53<Jim-theBGPguy>or have you already got a running system? sorry just arrived in channel
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06:54<Coburn>Heya Jim-theBGPguy, yeah, I have a already-running Debian system
06:54<Coburn>At the moment, I think I pretty much overdosed my liveCD with too much stuff
06:54<Jim-theBGPguy>Ok sorry, I thought you were building from scratch.
06:54<Coburn>Yeah, I'm going to now
06:54<Coburn>it'll be easier
06:54<Coburn>With that said tool
06:54<Jim-theBGPguy>yes, that happens all the time
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06:55<Coburn>Just wanted to know if it supports LXDE
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06:55<Coburn>'cause I like LXDE a lot ;)
06:55<Jim-theBGPguy>yes I thould think so, last time I tried it Openbox hadn't "come this far" yet, Fluxbox worked OK though no probs
06:56<gbsd>he's got Fluxbox on the brain^
06:56<Coburn>hah, no doubts about it, Fluxbox rocks, along with TINT2 for the task bar ;)
06:57<pipe>dwm rocks
06:57<Coburn>twm rocks too
06:57<Coburn>I'm a GNOME user, but I like LXDE's style and speed
06:57<Coburn>I like performance over looks
06:58<pipe>Tried dvtm? :)
06:58*amphi mumbles 'xmonad'
06:58<Coburn>but I also like it so it just works, with a bit of challenge here and there
06:58<Jim-theBGPguy>Coburn: one consideration is that building live-cds means many virtual machines, lower requirements means you can run concurrently, Gnome-on-Gnome whilst building Gnome hurts
06:59<Coburn>Well, my liveCD, called CoburnOS is designed for speed, It doesn't try to make you coffee and wash the dishes, you boot it up and it's ready to go
07:00<pipe>Well, thing is
07:00<pipe>I don't want your stupid distro
07:00<pipe>BUT
07:00<pipe>if it would wash my dishes, I would
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07:00<pipe>So you kind of omit the most imoportant part
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07:01*Coburn looks for a diskwasher package in apt-get ...
07:01<Coburn>dish*
07:02<dserban_>i3 > dwm
07:02<dserban_>:)
07:02<Coburn>Heh
07:02<locklace>!start a wm war
07:02<dpkg>olwm blows chunks!
07:03<Coburn>olwm?
07:03<Jim-theBGPguy>lucky chunks
07:03<dserban_>dwm shaves its butt
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07:03<dserban_>lol i just got that
07:04<pipe>i3 = ion3? I thought he went underground and even banned debian exclusively from using the ion name
07:04<dserban_>pipe: nah i3 is a ... fork of wmii
07:04<dserban_>so i ... 3
07:04<pipe>ah
07:04<Coburn>debion = there you go, you can use ion3 now, it's just debion3 ;)
07:04<pipe>sounds bloat
07:04<dserban_>it gets multimon right
07:04<dserban_>nah, it's tiled, it's good
07:04<pipe>multimon is bloat
07:04<dserban_>:o
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07:05<Coburn>!start bloated WM ware
07:05<dserban_>3 monitors makes me ub3r l33t
07:05<Coburn>Oops
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07:05<Coburn>How did that crash dpkg?
07:06<pipe>dserban_: Do you use the matrix screensaver on all monitors?
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07:06<Coburn>!start bloated WM war
07:06<dserban_>nah... blank :P
07:06<dserban_>pipe: you got this wm wars thing down :)
07:06<dserban_>dwm is for people who sleep on nails
07:06<dserban_>...?
07:06<pipe>Actually dwm is what I found most comfortable to use
07:07<Coburn>Still got my bets on LXDE, you can't nudge me of that perch
07:07<pipe>I use LXDE on my HTPC
07:07<dserban_>pipe: i3 works the same, or at least I made it work the same
07:07<Coburn>Well, okay, maybe Fluxbox too
07:07<Coburn>I have that screen puzzle screensaver on mine
07:07<vlt>Hello. I use Debian for my router and want to send an HTTP 301 redirect for every request to a spedific IP address. What do I need? An iptables rule and a web server? Do I need apache or is there a smaller solution for this task?
07:07<dserban_>I moved from dwm, to scrotwm to i3, quite similar
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07:07<dserban_>though i3's the only one who got my screens right
07:07<Coburn>vlt: apache is bloated, use lighttpd or thttpd or nginx
07:08<pipe>or bozohttpd
07:08<vlt>Coburn, pipe: Thank you.
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07:09<dserban_>ahh...
07:09<dserban_>is that me in here twice?
07:09<pipe>not anymore
07:09<gbsd>nope just once with the _
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07:09<Coburn>!start war
07:10<dserban_>heh didn't think irssi would let me join the same channel twice :)
07:10<dserban_>I get confused if I'm on freenode, or oftc
07:10<dserban_>g'nite all
07:11<Coburn>g'night dserban_
07:11<gbsd>I get confused if I'm on a computer :(
07:11<pipe>:(
07:11<Jim-theBGPguy>^ this guy's the dept. boss
07:11<pipe>all the 0 and 1
07:11<Coburn>pipe: Got virus protection?
07:11<Coburn>:P
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07:12*pipe did not understand that joke
07:12*Coburn fails
07:13<Coburn>pipe: What's company do you work for? Debian?
07:13<bzed>debian is not a company.
07:13<Jim-theBGPguy>gbsd is the _my_ IT dept boss, if that's what you didn't understand
07:13<pipe>Yeah, my line came in between
07:14<Coburn>ah
07:14<Coburn>So you two lurk around here often?
07:14<Jim-theBGPguy>well got to run, routes flapping here :[
07:14<gbsd>no just me occasionally
07:14<pipe>Considering that I've spent the last days installing debian on various machines, someone would probably believe I worked for debian
07:14<gbsd>I ordered him into here that's all
07:15<gbsd>(jim) that is
07:15<Coburn>cool. Thanks for all the help!
07:15<Coburn>:D
07:15<amphi>that's a rarity, people being ordered to join #debian ;)
07:15<gbsd>I haven't done any Deb install for ages, and that means we're doing it right ;) I think
07:16<pipe>I come here occasionally, when I have a problem, and then I tend to stay for a few days to answer other people's questions
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07:16<Coburn>get helped, help a million others ;)
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07:39<Niffum>I just compiled kernel 2.6.32 and when I run it, ssh to that box (on my local network) is very lagged. If I go back to 2.6.26 the lag goes away. Has any one seen this before or have any ideas?
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07:40<pipe>lagged throughout or just the initial connection?
07:40<pipe>Fast or slow machine?
07:41<Niffum>i don't really care about the initial connection
07:41<pipe>ok, no problem then!
07:41<Niffum>its lagged in general. If I press a key, it can take half a second to display it
07:42<Niffum>I had the same problem with 2.6.30 which is why I went back to 2.6.26 however, I want to run ext4 so i pretty much have to upgrade the kernel
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07:42<Niffum>the machines a pentium 4, its got plenty of ram
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07:43<Coburn>are you sure something's not hogging the cpu?
07:43<Coburn>run top
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07:43<Coburn>top at command line
07:44<Niffum>yeah, I run htop and it can be doing nothing, the lag is still there
07:44<Niffum>if i reboot into kernel 2.6.26 the lag goes away
07:44<pipe>I've noticed similar behaviour, but more randomly, per session
07:44<Coburn>what are you running? 32bit or 64big?
07:44<Coburn>bit*
07:44<Niffum>32 bit
07:45<Coburn>hm...
07:45<Niffum>funny you shoudl say that
07:45<Niffum>when i use to run cross-compiling.. i somehow installed a 64bit compiler.. and it took me a year to work out thats what it had done
07:45<Coburn>You may want to take a shot at running a 64bit kernel, some Pentium 4 chips can do 64bit
07:45<Niffum>had me stumped as to why i couldn't compile a kernel
07:45<Coburn>64bit pwns 32bit
07:45<Niffum>not this one
07:46<Niffum>besides, it seems to run fine with 2.6.26
07:46<pipe>Yesterday I installed debian on a genuine Pentium MMX!
07:46<Coburn>and?
07:46<pipe>And what, it's MMX.
07:46<Coburn>it exploded?
07:47<Niffum>how does KDE run on that?
07:47<pipe>MMX is the technology of the future, CD-ROM and multimedia
07:47<Coburn>Can I have BluRay on my MMX ?
07:47<pipe>No
07:48<Coburn>How about DVD ?
07:48<pipe>Maybe
07:48<pipe>Niffum: If you really want to dig in this, you could compare ssh -vvvv between the kernels
07:49<pipe>Niffum: You could also try installing, say, dropbear, another ssh server, and compare
07:49<pipe>I don't know what good it would do though..
07:49<Coburn>I wonder if I could run BluRay on a 486
07:49<Coburn>Hmm...
07:49<Niffum>what does ssh -vvvv do?
07:49<pipe>very very very verbose
07:49<Niffum>oh.. you mean when i ssh to the box
07:49<pipe>Niffum: You can try benchmarking with "openssl speed"
07:50<Niffum>i'm using putty atm, i'll ssh to another box and give it a go
07:50<Coburn>PuTTY for the win!
07:50<Niffum>i wonder if telnet is installed
07:50<pipe>yes, it's mostly for win
07:50<pipe>although I did use putty on my Nokia
07:51<Niffum>i got a nokia e71
07:51<Coburn>Nokia?
07:51<Niffum>putty rocks on that one
07:51*Coburn dies
07:51*Coburn hates Nokia
07:51*Coburn loves Android
07:51<pipe>I got my E90 for free
07:51<Coburn>E90?
07:51<pipe>Nokia
07:52<Niffum>it was nokia or an iphone.. so i choose nokia
07:52*bremner mumbles about topic
07:52<Coburn>I know, but what does the E90 look like?
07:52<pipe>Like a micro laptop
07:52*Coburn gives bremner a cookie to shut him up
07:52<pipe>Anyway, to go back to topic
07:52<pipe>Now I have a Neo FreeRunner running: Debian
07:52<pipe>So you can take your google spamdroid and hide somewhere
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07:53<bremner>pipe: do you manage to use it as a phone?
07:53<pipe>bremner: haven't tried yet, lost my sim card when I lost my nokia ;)
07:53<Coburn>I do also use iPhones, so yeah
07:53<vizor>hi guys, can I get 3d acceleration with kvm and nvidia blob?
07:54<vizor>is it possibl at all?
07:54<bremner>!nividia
07:54<bremner>sigh
07:54<Niffum>well, telnet is just as lagged
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07:54<bremner>!tell vizor -about nvidia
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07:54<pipe>vizor: I haven't heard anything about it yet, have you seen any info about that?
07:55<pipe>vizor: At the least you need supported controller hardware for that
07:55<pipe>IOMMU
07:55<pipe>I don't know what hardware would work yet
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07:55<Coburn>Off to watch a show, laters peeps
07:55<vizor>bremner: I know what nvidia is and how to use it under linux, I'm interesting in having 3d acceleration in guest OS
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07:56<bremner>vizor: i see. Sorry, I missed kvm.
07:56<vizor>pipe: no I didn't see any reasonable info about this, just thought that somebody did this
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07:59<pipe>Though hm, there might of course be projects that accelerate subsets of opengl or similar
07:59<pipe>I have no idea about those
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08:11<Derrek>Hi, could anyone help me with an issue on installing Debian over internet, please?
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08:13<petemc>Derrek: ask your real question
08:13<Derrek>how do I configure sources.list from the command line?
08:13<petemc>with a text editor, but you should get a list of mirrors to choose from in the installer
08:14<Derrek>I didn't, I use netinst cd
08:14<petemc>and it didnt ask you which mirror you would like to use?
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08:14<Derrek>nope
08:14<petemc>did you configure the network successfully?
08:14<blowback>Derevko: nano /etc/apt/sources.list
08:14<Derrek>after instalation I was able to
08:14<blowback>Or pico, or vi, or whatever (command line) text editor you prefer.
08:15<Derrek>I doubt the netinst cd has any text editor on it...
08:15<petemc>it has nano
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08:15<petemc>and vi
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08:16<Derrek>okay didn't know that, then I'll try to edit the file
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08:37<prahalad>help on compiz and flash player interaction...
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09:07<fracc>Hi guys. I have another stupid question. I have an nvidia graphics card with two monitors, both configured as separate X screens via nvidia-settings control panel. I'm using nvidia's official (256.53) driver package. One of the monitors is attached to VGA and the other is attached to the HDMI port. The system thinks the VGA is the primary monitor, and the HDMI is secondary. How do I tell it "No, it's the other way around?"
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09:08<fracc>LOL, probably should have mentioned I'm running Lenny amd64.
09:09<blowback>fracc: Should be configurable in the panel. Failing that, set ypur preferred input in the bios.
09:09<blowback>!nvidia
09:09<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers . If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net).
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09:11<fracc>Ah, would changing the screen numbers in xorg.conf do it?
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09:11<blowback>Try it, no harm.
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09:35<fracc>I love that you guys are so smart that just bouncing ideas off this channel seems to point me in the right direction. Switching the "Identifier" keys (Screen0/Screen1) in the Screen sections of xorg.conf and then letting nvidia-settings correct a few metamode errors seems to have done the trick. The reason it was a problem is because I'd occasionally have to move the mouse to the VGA display, click the desktop, and wiggle it a little to kee
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09:37<Shneezn>Ähm... hallo? :D
09:37<gbsd>hello
09:38<Shneezn>sry - isn't this a german chat?
09:38<petemc>!de
09:38<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
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09:38<Shneezn>thx
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09:50<edbian>I own a domain from goDaddy.com It will be up for renewal in December and I want to switch to a more "respectable" domain name registry. Where should I go?
09:51<slush>what's wrong with godaddy?
09:52<edbian>slush, My peers make fun of me
09:52<edbian>That's about the extent of the issue.
09:52<Ganneff>who cares?
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09:52<slush>ghe :)
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09:52<gbsd>your peers?
09:52<slush>edbian: yes, if the services of godaddy suits you, why switch .. let the others talk
09:53<gbsd>oh personal peers, not ISP peers?
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09:53<edbian>yes, peers as in people I know
09:53<gbsd>oops, sorry
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09:55<gbsd>well, that's his hosting self-esteem problem solved
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09:59<MikelKing>greetings all
09:59<MikelKing>couple of questions...
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10:00<MikelKing>I have a classroom of identical machines that I'd like to image the first install and then just roll it out across the lan to all of the others...
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10:00<MikelKing>anyone know of a good (preferably free $) tool for imaging and rolling out across the lan?
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10:02<bremner>!fai
10:02<dpkg>[fai] Fully Automatic Installation, an automated installation tool to install or deploy Debian GNU/Linux (and other distributions) on a bunch of different hosts or a cluster. It is more flexible than tools like <kickstart> (Red Hat), autoyast and alice (SuSE) or jumpstart (Sun Solaris). FAI can also be used for configuration management of a running system. http://fai-project.org/ #fai on irc.oftc.net.
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10:05<MikelKing>so that's one vote for fai and one against?
10:06<bremner>no, the !fai was me prompting the bot
10:06<bremner>!preseed
10:06<dpkg>[preseed] Preseeding provides a way to set answers to questions asked during the Debian installation process, to allow for a streamlined or completely automated installation. The <install guide> provides an extensive appendix on preseeding with a full example. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed and http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/394 . See also <debconf-set-selections>.
10:07<MikelKing>ah got it... thanks bremner
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10:45<_spOOn_>hi, I am currently having difficulties with isc-dhcpd-server not performing name resolution on options specified in /etc/dhcp/dhcpd.conf
10:45<_spOOn_>is anyone able to help me with this?
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10:46<kop>_spOOn_: No. Can't help. But what does the log say and how do you know you have a problem?
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10:46<_spOOn_>/var/log/messages says all is good
10:47<_spOOn_>and i have tried running dhcpd in debug mode for more output
10:47<_spOOn_>issue is client gets lease, but doesnt get dns-server or gateway (router) address
10:47<_spOOn_>when specified in config file as a dns name
10:47<_spOOn_>if i change to ip, all works fine
10:47<_spOOn_>bind is running on same server
10:48<_spOOn_>and names are resolvable.
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10:50<_spOOn_>so, anyone got any ideas?
10:50<Elverion>sorry I just joined, whats the point ?
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10:51<Elverion>no pb ;)
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10:59<xeross>So I foolishly decided to recursively chmod my /etc folder is there any way to get the original permissions back
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11:02<jhutchins_lt>xeross: Sure, just restore your last backup.
11:02<geoff_>Hi - I have just lost all my icons on the desktop panel - Debian Lenny
11:03<geoff_>from the grub menu
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11:05<geoff_>I have never had to do this before. Do i start by rebooting?
11:07<blowback>geoff_: try opening a terminal and typing: gnome-panel &
11:07<xeross>jhutchins_lt: Ehm, f***
11:07<xeross>jhutchins_lt: So now the long process of finding what I broke begins
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11:08<jordanm>everything would be a good guess
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11:09<xeross>So is there a file that stores a name=port pair for all the ports as it seems I messed that up
11:09<jordanm>xeross: /etc/services
11:10<xeross>So the only way to secure a box against people attempting to break in is to chroot them it seems
11:10<xeross>when they need SSH access that is
11:10<mjt>what chrooting has to do with the list of pre-defined port numbers?
11:10<jordanm>and fail chmod commands..
11:11<rudi_s>xeross: Don't give them access ..
11:11<geoff_>I have no terminal icon on the panel - where will I find it - not in /bin
11:11<jordanm>geoff_: icons are in /usr/share/pixmaps/
11:11<xeross>rudi_s: What if they need access for things such as GIT
11:11<rudi_s>xeross: authorized_keys or ForceCommand
11:12<rudi_s>Combined with Match
11:12<rudi_s>Just don't give them a shell and let them only execute predefined commands and you should be safe.
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11:12<bremner>xeross: for the git case in particular, see gitolite
11:12<geoff_>I mean I am looking for the executable
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11:13<xeross>rudi_s: That's what I wanted to do, but with SFTP they'd still be able to browse /etc and alike unless I can disable that
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11:13<rudi_s>xeross: For sftp use chroot.
11:14<rudi_s>ChrootDirectory
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11:14<xeross>rudi_s: Is there any way to chroot them with SFTP without having to make an entire chroot jail
11:15<rudi_s>xeross: Yes. man sshd_config
11:15<gbsd>geoff_: from memory - it's gnome-terminal in gnome, do which gnome-terminal for exact location ?
11:15<rudi_s>Subsystem internal-sftp
11:15<rudi_s>xeross: ^ And ChrootDirectory
11:15<rudi_s>Use it with Match
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11:16<xeross>So what did I break by doing o-rwx on my entire /etc folder
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11:16<xeross>haha the man command :/
11:16<jpinx-eeepc>xeross: sort out permissions and sftp users will not be able to do much
11:16<gbsd>your "entire /etc folder"
11:16<xeross>gbsd: Recursively
11:16<gbsd>yep
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11:17<gbsd>that's what you broke :) tough one
11:17<xeross>jpinx-eeepc: I'd just have to trust the system that it assigns proper permissions, which it probably does
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11:17<xeross>gbsd: I am for sure avoiding that reboot command for now
11:17<gbsd>xeross: yeah I was just gonna say that
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11:18<gbsd>xeross: any backups?
11:18<jpinx-eeepc>xeross: make a chroot, do a fresh install on it and copy the default permissions in /etc
11:18<jordanm>I am sure that goes as far as to break the "ls" command, since that reads passwd
11:18<xeross>gbsd: 1 ancient one before I moved to a new server so not much help
11:19<xeross>jpinx-eeepc: Hmm yeah possibly
11:19<gbsd>xeross: yeah worth a try
11:19<gbsd>xeross: and non-destructive while you think of something better
11:19<jhutchins_lt>jpinx-eeepc: Not a bad solution. Use debbootstrap, then do a clone of the original system.
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11:20<jpinx-eeepc>xeross: you'll get good at ls options like -R
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11:23<jpinx-eeepc>xeross: here's a fw options that you might find useful - the last one is courtesy of themill -- > http://paste.debian.net/92004/
11:23<xeross>I'll just write a python script to haul over the conf settings
11:24<[Tru]>hello, does somebody know what is the problem with protobuf in debian 5? I heard there is one, actually I could not compile it.
11:24<jpinx-eeepc>!protobuf
11:24<xeross>Great I fucked up my SSH config, time to get physical
11:24<jordanm>[Tru]: you were trying to recompile the debian source package?
11:24<jordanm>,versions protobuf
11:24<judd>Sorry, no package named 'protobuf' was found in i386.
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11:25<[Tru]>I downloaded it from code.google.com/p/protobuf
11:25<[Tru]>2.3.0
11:25<jordanm>[Tru]: then it wouldn't be supported here
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11:27<[Tru]>I can not find a problem but I know there are some people got it ready compiled on debian 5 but no way to contact them
11:27<geoff_>I have found gnome-terminal in /usr/bin
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11:28<geoff_>gnome-panel just says " a panel is already running"
11:28<jordanm>!tell [Tru] about errors
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11:30<geoff_>this is correct - I have a panel just all the usual icons and menus like applications, places system have gone!
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11:30<jhutchins_lt>geoff_: What release are you on?
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11:31<geoff_>Debian Lenny 5
11:31<blowback>geoff_: You probably need to add them back as panel applets.
11:31<blowback>Or, better still, install Xfce and use that instead.
11:33<jhutchins_lt>geoff_: What was the last thing you did before they disappeared?
11:34<geoff_>I was trying to move an icon along the panel to make space
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11:36<[Tru]>jordanm: that is configure script output http://paste.debian.net/92007/ and that is make failed: http://paste.debian.net/92008/ I really could not solve pb with pthreads which is "no"
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11:40<gbsd>-all- re: geoff - maybe the panel just borked, any reason why he shouldn't just do a logout and back in and see if it's sorted? or pkill it and restart it ? suggestions? seems a quick dodge to me...
11:41<geoff_>I have tried rebooting
11:41<jordanm>[Tru]: I would file a bug with upstream
11:41<gbsd>geoff_: oh ok then, :(
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11:42<geoff_>Is there no config file which tells gnome what to put on the panel?
11:43<jordanm>geoff_: likely ~/.gconf somewhere
11:43<gbsd>geoff: sounds strange why it happened, you'll need a Gnome guy for that
11:46<xeross>Aren't the default permissions stored in the debian packages and can't I reset them
11:46<xeross>taking them from the packages
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11:47<jpinx-eeepc>xeross: got your chroot install done yet? it'll be a lot quicker
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11:53<geoff_>there is a .gconf directory
11:55<geoff_>there seems to be nothing obviously relating to the panel
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11:55<jordanm>there is also ~/.config and ~/.gnome
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11:59<geoff_>OK I will look at those. In the meantime I have found a file ~./gconfd/saved_state very recent
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12:08<geoff_>~./gnome is pretty thin only has .trash_entry_cache
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12:13<hdguerreroc>hi, I need some help with cheese configuration
12:13<hdguerreroc>anyone can help me please?
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12:14<prahalad>what do u need ??
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12:15<prahalad>@hdguerreroc
12:15<hdguerreroc>libv4l2: error setting pixformat:
12:16<hdguerreroc>before cheese worked well, but some libraries and update stopped working
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12:17<prahalad>try reinstalling the video4linux libraries
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12:19<hdguerreroc>the problem is that if I uninstall these libraries also uninstalled many programs
12:19<prahalad>under system>>preferences>>multimedia systems selector does ur video input device work whn u hit the test button
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12:20<prahalad>which debian version did u update from ?
12:21<hdguerreroc>ubuntu 10.10
12:21<themill>hdguerreroc: sounds like you want #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net
12:22<blowback>"What's the name of your dog?" - "My goldfish is called Cyril"
12:22*gbsd short pause while everyone goes "eh?"
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12:22<prahalad>you should try out the #ubuntu channel. many ubuntu users seem to have the same problem
12:22<hdguerreroc>ok, thanks
12:23<prahalad>it sounds like the libv4l library fails to load b4 the webcam kicks in
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12:24<hdguerreroc>yes
12:24<prahalad>LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib32/libv4l/v4l1compat.so cheese
12:25<prahalad>LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/libv4l/v4l1compat.so cheese
12:25<prahalad>try those in a terminal see if it helps ??
12:26<hdguerreroc>libv4l2: error setting pixformat: Dispositivo ó recurso ocupado
12:26<geoff_>Can anyone suggest where I try to get help to resolve this problem?
12:27<prahalad>@hdguerreroc are u using a x64 bit os
12:27<hdguerreroc>not work...
12:27<hdguerreroc>yes, intel corei5 64 bits
12:27<prahalad>and the operating system.....
12:27<prahalad>??
12:27<jordanm>did I miss something? I believe he was using an OS not supported here
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12:28<hdguerreroc>ubuntu 10.10
12:29<prahalad>@hdguerreroc http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?s=8b671189cf15728daa2afc073bfd9215&t=997807&page=5
12:29<themill>prahalad: feel free to help hdguerreroc in #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net. He's already there and looking for help.
12:29<jordanm>!@
12:29<dpkg>@ is used to separate the username from the hostname in an email address, to denote channel operators on IRC, and to direct comments to particular users in some web forums. It is NOT used to direct comments on IRC; use "name: ..." instead of "@name ...".
12:29<prahalad>sorry my bad...
12:30<prahalad>connectin to ubuntu now.. :)
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12:34<hdguerreroc>using LD_PRELOAD: pygobject_register_sinkfunc is deprecated (GstObject)
12:34<hdguerreroc>libv4l2: error setting pixformat: Dispositivo ó recurso ocupado
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12:36<Zathraz>Hi. For some reason my Debian squeeze server will not forward IP traffic. Even with firewalls on server and client off. IPv4 forwarding is enabled afaik (/etc/sysctl.conf : net.ipv4.ip_forward=1 ).
12:36<Zathraz>this used to be enough on older Debian Systems. Am I missing something?
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12:37<Zathraz>even after setting: net.ipv4.conf.all.accept_source_route = 1 & net.ipv4.conf.all.send_redirects = 1
12:37<Zathraz>and rebooting the server: no go
12:38<Zathraz>traceroute stops at this server
12:38<Zathraz>on the server itself I can access the net fine
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12:40<Zathraz>anyone pretty please?
12:42<Zathraz>cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward ---> gives 1
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12:54<davekong>Is there a good CLI tool for automating the creation of deb packages?
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12:55<paco>hi chan
12:56<paco>i have a little issue with my mobile cpu
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12:56<paco>intel says it not support frequency scaling but only voltage scaling
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12:56<paco>i would like to install debian but i'm afraid to hurt battery life
12:57<paco>how can i check if voltage scaling works under debian? (linux in general)
12:57<bzed>it should juts work fine
12:57<themill>davekong: "help" yes, there are several depending on what you're trying to do (dh-make, dh-make-perl) or help with different aspects of the process (debhelper, javahelper, pkg-kde-tools, ...). Fully automating the process of building new packages isn't possible though.
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12:59<paco>bzed: yeah that was my hope :) but i would like if it really works cause i've read around the web that linux does not support well celeron CPUs
12:59<bzed>boot a grml CD and give it a try
12:59<bzed>run powertop from the live CD forexample and see what it tells you
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13:00<davekong>themill: I want to be able to build the data part of the package in a fakeroot environent and have a tarball generated for me
13:00<davekong>which one does that?
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13:01<speedStick>Hi, anyone know much about ftp servers in debain?
13:01<themill>davekong: I still can't work out exactly what it is you are trying to do (and what it is you can already do). Are you trying to build just the data.tar.gz out of the .deb file?
13:01<Zzz>nm. Seemed to be a masq issue. Solved
13:01<paco>ok thanks, i'm downloading it
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13:02<jhutchins_lt>speedStick: Yes, several people do.
13:02<jhutchins_lt>speedStick: Some of them may be here. Why not post your question and see?
13:02<speedStick>ok, the thing is I have extremely limited knowledge of ftp servers, but they are asking me to restrict a user to their home directory which is easy...but allow them access to another specfic directory somewhere else
13:03<paco>by the way...is there any backport which provides latest kernel for debian?
13:03<speedStick>outside of their home dir
13:03<speedStick>does that make sense?
13:03<speedStick>lets say they want a user to have access to /home/userdir and /var/www/somesite
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13:03<speedStick>is that possible?
13:03<davekong>themill: most my experience is with Arch, where you specific some meta-data in a bash file and then specifiy the steps the build the compile the source and it builds a package, something like that would be ideal
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13:04<davekong>so basically I pretend like I am installing from source but I get a package
13:04<jordanm>davekong: umm, like a debian source package?
13:05<davekong>jordanm: I would need to look more into what a debian source package is but if it sounds the same I will go that route
13:06<themill>davekong: ahh... so rather than trying to bastardise the debian build process, you want to actually use it. "/msg dpkg nmg" for an overview of how this works.
13:06<jordanm>!tell davekong about nmg
13:06<themill>dpkg: tell davekong about source package
13:06<davekong>thanks guys
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13:18<Tommos>speedStick: you can make a symlink in the users homedir, and give him r or r+w rights on /var/www/somesite
13:19<jhutchins_lt>speedStick: Depends on the ftp server. What I have is that the user's www directory is a subdirectory of their /home.
13:19<jhutchins_lt>speedStick: Then their domain's ServerRoot points to that directory, and permissions on the directory are such that the webserver can access it.
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13:20<jhutchins_lt>speedStick: However, I no longer use ftp for that, I use ssh.
13:20<jhutchins_lt>speedStick: Better solution for many reasons.
13:20<speedStick>yeah, i use ssh normally too
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13:20<speedStick>this is a once off request, but i have a question if i do a simlink, when they connect by ftp wont it make the link downloadable like a file
13:21<speedStick>i dont think it would take them to the location defined there within
13:21<speedStick>or am i mistaken?
13:21<jhutchins_lt>speedStick: Depends on ftp server and configuration.
13:21<jhutchins_lt>speedStick: It will either follow the link or it won't.
13:22<gbsd>speedStick: the restriction to the users home is usually set it the ftp daemon config file, anything you put (or link) under that will be accessible via normal permissions to them. So that way, it's easy, but beware you don't allow them too much freedom, link carefully, think, set perms appropriately, test
13:22<gbsd>speedStick: make a trail test directory linked under your won home and run a test server and see
13:22<gbsd>s/won/own
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13:23<gbsd>I normally use a graphical client like filezilla to check tree access, safer visually
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13:25<speedStick>thanks for the advice guys
13:25<speedStick>im checking it out now
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13:34<xeross>So I have a chroot for sftp but it requires the top folder to be owned by root, how would I handle this on a per account basis with home folders
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13:35<prahalad>can some one help me to set up empathy to be able to make video calls with google talk....
13:35<xeross>Can just change the permissions duh -_-'
13:35<prahalad>i checked out the FAQ and it says i need to get the right codecs gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly-multiverse
13:36<prahalad>but i don't find it on debian repo, i guess it isn't a free codec..
13:36<prahalad>i'm using debian sid btw
13:36<jhutchins_lt>prahalad: There is no multiverse in debian.
13:37<jhutchins_lt>,versions empathy
13:37<judd>Package empathy on i386 -- lenny: 0.23.3-3; lenny-backports: 2.26.2-1~bpo50+1; sid: 2.30.2-1; squeeze: 2.30.2-1; experimental: 2.31.92-1
13:37<prahalad>enpathy version 2.30.2
13:37<prahalad>debian sid amd64
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13:43<jhutchins_lt>prahalad: Your FAQ would appear to be ubuntu-oriented (or gentoo). My best guess would be something along the lines of telepathy-stream-engine.
13:43<jhutchins_lt>prahalad: Given that you're doing this on sid, we're not likely to be much help here.
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13:44<prahalad>hmm thanx for info though :) it basically needs a h264 encoder
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13:44<gbsd>xeross: yeah 450 other people are thinking that but are scared to say it in case it's wrong lol
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13:45<prahalad>gbsd: :P
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13:46<prahalad>jhutchuns_lt: is there a way to specify empathy towards different encoders like the ffplugin
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13:47<jhutchins_lt>prahalad: Not a clue. This laptop doesn't have a mic or camera, so I don't mess with that stuff.
13:48<prahalad>jhutchins_lt: Thanx for trying
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13:51<Mike632T>What is the best way top copy all user account data (except password information) from one machine to another - is it really just as simple as backing /home and copying over the /etc/passwd file..?
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13:58<geoff_>I have repopulated the panel manually. I will file a bug with Gnome or should I also file a debian bug?
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13:59<simonrvn>if it's a debian package you should file with debian's bts, the dd will file with upstream (though it would only help if you did that)
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14:05<user01>is there a way to know when a new kernel will pass into testing?
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14:05<user01>happens like . . . around every 1 - 2 months?
14:06<yfk>what is the most working way to run a version of IE on wine?
14:06<petemc>user01: testing is frozen, no new anything
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14:06<yfk>by working I mean compatible with many sites with as good flash support as possible and stability is most important
14:06<rpetre>user01: i would keep an eye on http://packages.qa.debian.org/l/linux-2.6.html
14:06<yfk>win32 dlls are an option. same for wine 1.3/1.2 ...
14:06<jhutchins_lt>Mike632T: Not that simple.
14:07<user01>petemc: ok thanks . . . i noticed a lot of errors lately when installing packages "no maintainer" line xx
14:07<jhutchins_lt>Mike632T: Edit the password file (as a new file of course). Find the point where the actual users ID's begin, delete all the system accounts. Append the results to the new passwd file (after making a backup, of course.
14:08<jhutchins_lt>Mike632T: Optionally, do the same for groups and shadow (the latter preserves passwords).
14:08<jhutchins_lt>Mike632T: rsync -avz /home <target>
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14:16<xeross>Is there any way to access a folder outside a chroot from within that chroot, symblic link doesn't work
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14:17<xeross>Is there any way around this
14:17<jacks__>people with a lenovo T61 here?
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14:17<jacks__>I want to connect mine with an external monitor | screen
14:17<jacks__>what is the best way to do it?
14:17<jacks__>anything special?
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14:18<Gathond>xeross: hardlink it?
14:18<bremner>jacks__: xrandr
14:18<Gathond>xeross: mount it
14:18<Tommos>dont think you can hardlink a directory
14:18<Gathond>Tommos: no, you can however hardlink all its contents
14:18<Gathond>Tommos: mounting would be my preference
14:18<jacks__>bremner: shutdown laptop, connect screen, then boot t61?
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14:19<bremner>jacks__: nah, just run xrandr to turn the external screen on/off
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14:19<jacks__>bremner: hmm ok, and do you have your laptop closed, is that possible when running it?
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14:20<xeross>Gathond: Hmm hardlinks aren't possible cross-harddisk ? am getting permission denied
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14:20<bremner>I don't have my laptop (which is actually an X61s) closed, but I think it should be possible; you will want to make sure it doesn't suspend when you close the lid
14:21<Gathond>xeross: no, hardlinks are just multiple references in a filesystem to the same Inode
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14:21<Gathond>xeross: you should be able to mount a folder on another drive though
14:21<xeross>Gathond: I can mount a folder to another folder ?
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14:21<Gathond>xeross: yeah
14:22<Gathond>xeross: mount -o bind folder mountpoint
14:23<jacks__>bremner: k, thanks so far
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14:23<Gathond>xeross: or if you want it permanent just put it into /etc/fstab
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14:23<Gathond>xeross: /proc chroots/sid-ia32-chroot/proc none bind 0 0
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14:24<Gathond>something along those lines (adjust the 2 path's to fit)
14:24<rpetre>but you can mount /proc multiple times
14:24<rpetre>no need for a bindmount
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14:24<Gathond>rpetre: it is just an example
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14:24<rpetre> /dev on the other hand needs it
14:24<Gathond>I just happened to nick a /proc one from my fstab
14:25<rpetre>oh, sorry, i didn't follow the conversation properly :)
14:25<rpetre>still, no need to bindmount proc ;)
14:25<Gathond>true
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14:26<Gathond>I just followed a concept when doing it, everything else got that treatment
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14:26<Gathond>for all I know he may have wanted to do it to proc
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14:27<Gathond>what the mount in question was were never specified
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14:31<zsircusr>hay
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14:35<Lantizia>anyone any good with sed? I'm trying to search for something then once found search/replace 1 instance of something else after it
14:35<rpetre>Lantizia: give an example
14:36<Gathond>sed 's/(something)/$1 something else/
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14:36<Lantizia>Gathond, no that's not it
14:36<Gathond>sed -r 's/(something)/$1 something else/'
14:36<Gathond>anyway
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14:36<Gathond>should make something into "something something else"
14:37<Gathond>sed -r 's/(something)/\1 something else/'
14:37<Gathond>apparently sed dislikes $
14:37<Lantizia>LINE1=header1, LINE2=info, LINE3=header2, LINE4=info
14:37<Gathond>echo something | sed -r 's/(something)/\1 something else/
14:37<rpetre>$1 is perlish for \1 :)
14:37<Lantizia>so basically search for header2 and then replace info for newinfo
14:38<Lantizia>rpetre, does that help?
14:38<rpetre>oh, different lines
14:38<rpetre>you need to play with N and P
14:38<Gathond>sed is bad at newlines
14:38<Gathond>my advice would be don't use sed
14:38<rpetre>Gathond: nah, you just need to consider how it works ;)
14:38<AltBass>Hello everyone. I have a problem with 5.0.4 distro. I cannot configure eth0 interface, the network card is Realtek 8129-based. If i try to "ifup eth0" I get SIOCSIFLAGS: Cannot assign requested address. eth0 is displayed with "ifconfig -a". What should I do to bring eth0 up?
14:39<Gathond>rpetre: which is ... not that well with newlines:) I would prefer perl or C then
14:39<rpetre>Lantizia: sed '/header2/,+1s/info/foo/' i believe
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14:40<Lantizia>I take it the +1 means one instance of only?
14:40<rpetre>but i have to test it. basically it says "do the s/// command only on line matching /header2/ and the next
14:41<rpetre>not exactly sure how addressing works, i gotta rtfm a bit
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14:41<Gathond>see, perl :)
14:41<Gathond>or whatever scripting language one prefers
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14:41<Lantizia>rpetre, will give it a go
14:41<rpetre>yup, seems i nailed it
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14:43<rpetre>echo -e 'foo\nbar\nbaz\nbar' | sed '/baz/,+1s/bar/barbaz/' -> this does what i expected it to do :)
14:43<AltBass>Can anybody into networks? :lol:
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14:43<xeross>It seems the chroot also blocks those mounts the SFTP chroot that is
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14:44<Lantizia>rpetre, sed '/header2/,/info/{s/info/newinfo/}'
14:45<AltBass>\n
14:45<Gathond>xeross: they need to be mounted before the chroot is activated
14:45<AltBass>Is it used here to repeat a question some times? I'm a noob.
14:46<rpetre>Lantizia: this would modify the first 'info' after the first 'header' line, if this is what you need
14:46<xeross>Gathond: Wouldn't the chroot be activated on login ?
14:46<Gathond>xeross: it can't be done from inside it, since those outside references dos not have meaning there
14:46<Lantizia>rpetre, nope it only changes info after header2 - exactly what I wanted :)
14:46<Gathond>xeross: yes, so you need to have the mount in place BEFORE the user logs into the chrooted environment
14:46<rpetre>AltBass: what does your /etc/network/interfaces say about eth0 ?
14:46<Gathond>the user can't mount the outside stuff afterwards
14:46<xeross>Gathond: I did am getting Could not display location
14:46<AltBass>Wait a moment.
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14:47<Gathond>display location?
14:47<rpetre>Lantizia: yeah, i meant 'header2', anyway, good to hear you got it to work ;)
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14:47<xeross>Gathond: Okay now this is odd
14:47<Gathond>what exactly are you trying to do?
14:48<xeross>Gathond: Trying to mount a folder in a user's home folder so he can access that folder even though its outside the chroot
14:48<AltBass>auto lo; iface lo inet loopback; iface eth0 inet static; adress 192.168.1.99; netmask 255.255.255.0; 192.168.1.1 auto eth0;
14:48<xeross>seems the user was still connected in the meanwhile
14:48<AltBass>newlines insted of ";"
14:48<rpetre>addressis with two d's
14:49<rpetre>and before 192.168.1.1 you probably want 'gateway'
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14:49<AltBass>Yeap, sorry
14:49<rpetre>and a newline before auto eth0
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14:49<rpetre>(not sure if these were typos or not)
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14:49<AltBass>Yes, surely, 192.168.1.1 is a gateway.
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14:50<AltBass>I typed the contents manually because the PC isn't connected to teh internetz.
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14:50<rpetre>yeah, it's ok
14:51<rpetre>so all three things above i mentioned are actually there?
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14:51<AltBass>Yeap, they are.
14:51<rpetre>"address" "netmask" and "gateway" should line up, they have the same number of characters ;)
14:52<AltBass>They do, :lol:.
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14:52<rpetre>(i kept mistyping "address" until i learned this trick ;) )
14:53<rpetre>uh, maybe you have that address/netmask already assigned to another interface?
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14:54<AltBass>Nope, I have only this LAN card.
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14:56<rpetre>try "ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.99 netmask 255.255.255.0" and see if it complains
14:57<rpetre>check out other addresses or routes installed with ifconfig and route (or better, with "ip addr" and "ip route")
14:59<jacks__>dualboot linux linux with one shared home folder, good idea?
14:59<AltBass>There are no routes, ifconfig gives "SIOCSIFLAGS: Cannot assign requested address".
14:59<AltBass>Wait a moment for ip addr.
15:00<rpetre>look for anything related to 192.168.1.x already set
15:01<jordanm>AltBass: check dmesg for errors
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15:01<AltBass>2: eth0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST> mtu 1500 qdisc noop state DOWN qlen 1000 -------newline--------link/ether 00:00:00:00:00:00 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff -----------newline----------- inet 192.168.1.99/24 brd 192.168.1.255 scope global eth0
15:01<amphi>jacks__: dualboot linux & what?
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15:02<rpetre>AltBass: this means it already has that address :)
15:02<jordanm>jacks__: thats fine, as long as you are not using different version of the same DE
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15:02<jacks__>amphi: let say debian and ubuntu
15:02<rpetre>AltBass: try just "ifconfig eth0 up"
15:02<jordanm>jacks__: I would say its not a good idea if you run gnome on both
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15:03<AltBass>dmesg | grep eth0 gives: No MII transceivers found" Assumyng SYM transceiver.
15:03<amphi>jacks__: you'll want to make sure the user has the same id on both systems
15:03<rpetre>if it complains, it's probably a driver issue, check dmesg as jordanm mentioned
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15:03<jordanm>or, you could use a different user. the point is, the user configurations can vary between versions
15:03<jacks__>jordanm: ubuntu should run gnome, debian kde, but I also use fluxbox and xmonad on both
15:03*amphi wonders why you would dual boot debian and unbuntu
15:04<AltBass>ifconfig eth0 up: "SIOCSIFLAGS: Unable to assign requested address"
15:04<jacks__>I prefer debian, but I help others with ubuntu and do some testing on it
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15:04<amphi>jacks__: your machine is not powerful enough to run ubuntu in a vm?
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15:04<AltBass>I meant, dmesg | grep eth0 gives: "....... eth0: No MII transceivers found! Assumyng SYM transceiver. "
15:05<jacks__>amphi: mwah should work, but I test audio and realtime stuff, wm isn't optimal for thta
15:05<jacks__>that
15:05<jacks__>I think I do Windows | Debian root | debian home | ubuntu root and home
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15:10<AltBass111>Sorry, lost connection, didn't receive anythyng after:::::::::::::: I meant, dmesg | grep eth0 gives: "....... eth0: No MII transceivers found! Assumyng SYM transceiver. "
15:10<user01>why not just run ubuntu in a VM in debian?
15:11<user01>oh i see
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15:14<AltBass111>Did anybody tell me anything?
15:14<user01>AltBass111: i dont see anything!
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15:14<user01>AltBass111: but i dont know the answer either
15:14<user01>:(
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15:23<xeross>Is it possible to chroot a user to his home folder, as it needs to be owned by root apparently
15:23<jordanm>a user's home folder is owned by the user
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15:24<jordanm>the /home directory itself, is owned by root
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15:24<user01>xeross: i think you can do anything as root :)
15:24<jordanm>with a chroot, the user would have a home inside the chroot. the entire chroot does not belong the user, even if he is the only user inside of it
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15:25<xeross>user01: I meant that the folder you are chrooting to has to be owned by root
15:25<user01>jordanm: what about if you setup a sudo?
15:26<jordanm>user01: for what?
15:26<user01>jordanm: chroot
15:26<jordanm>xeross: what is the problem with that?
15:26<jordanm>user01: I don't see how configuring sudo inside the chroot does anything?
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15:27<jordanm>xeross: how are you attempting to chroot the users? openssh? a custom shell?
15:28<xeross>jordanm: ChrootDirectory in the sshd config, also limiting them to SFTP only
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15:29<jordanm>xeross: ok, now, I still don't understand what the problem is
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15:31<xeross>jordanm: I can't chroot them to their home folder only to /home
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15:31<xeross>jordanm: Some kind of access denied error when I attempt to
15:32-!-mode/#debian [+l 457] by debhelper
15:32<jordanm>xeross: they have to have a home directory from within the chroot
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15:32<jordanm>oh, actually, that might just be when using an external shell
15:32<jordanm>xeross: what are you trying to put for ChrootDirectory?
15:32<xeross>jordanm: Hmm is there a way to modify the home directory path so I dont need a seperate home folder for chrooted people ?
15:32<xeross>jordanm: /home
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15:34<jordanm>xeross: you want /home/%u
15:34<jordanm>xeross: you can make home directories wherever you want
15:34<jordanm>xeross: can change using usermod
15:34<jordanm>although, I don't think that effects the ssh chrooting for sftp
15:35<xeross>jordanm: I get an error when setting it to /home/%u
15:35<dondelelcaro>xeross: you need a separate directory, otherwise it wouldn't be a chroot
15:35<danilo>\msg nickserv.identify mazincazeta
15:35<xeross>?
15:35<dondelelcaro>danilo: you need to change your password
15:35<xeross>lol
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15:36<jordanm>danilo: and also configure IRC client to do that for you, so it is not subject to user error such as that
15:37<user01>dondelelcaro: ive done that before :)
15:37<xeross>nickserv.identify didnt know that works
15:38<xeross>I hope he's not the one-password-for-everything type
15:38<xeross>dondelelcaro: Hmm still I wouldnt be able to pin them in their home folder
15:39<xeross>dondelelcaro: fatal: bad ownership or modes for chroot directory "/home/permtest"
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15:41<dondelelcaro>xeross: because you chroot them to a directory like /home/chroots/permtest/; and then bind mount /home/permtest under it
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15:44<xeross>dondelelcaro: So I would create a seperate folder and then mount the home folders inside that folder
15:44<xeross>dondelelcaro: Wouldnt that still give me thesse errors because it aint owned by root
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15:47<h2-gw>hi, does anyone know how to restore the partition boot sector, not the MBR? I stupidly and accidentally overwrote /dev/sda1 with an xp boot sector using fixboot in xp, but I can't find a way to restore the boot sector data, the partition is fine, but grub doesn't see it unless I use /dev/sda1
15:47<h2-gw>this is a linux partition, of course
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15:48<xeross>dondelelcaro: Same error
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15:49<jordanm>!tell h2-gw about reinstall grub
15:49<user01>are there any quad band cell phones that run debian?
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15:50<h2-gw>jordan_, it doesn't work, I tried that already, tried installing to partition /dev/sda1, this is NOT a grub issue
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15:50<h2-gw>it seems to have two sets of partial data, one xp and one linux in the partition root, again, this is NOT an MBR question
15:51<jordan_>h2-gw, ? confuse names lol
15:51<h2-gw>I kniow
15:51<h2-gw>google confuses it too
15:51<h2-gw>sadly very few people are inattentive enough to make this error so google assumes I'm asking about mbr fix
15:52<jordan_>:)
15:52<jordanm>h2-gw: you mean you overwrote you /boot partition?
15:52<h2-gw>jordan_, no, I mean I overwrote the partition boot sector, which is NOT the mbr, with xp boot sector data, even though xp very nicely asked if I was really sure I wanted to do that, ie, don't do this stuff before you have coffee in the morning
15:53<h2-gw>the partition boot sector is somewhat like the mbr only for the partition, not the disk
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15:53<jordanm>h2-gw: you can call grub-install to a partition, but it is not needed
15:53<h2-gw>I've tried it
15:53<h2-gw>all variants of grub I've tried
15:53<h2-gw>this is not the problem
15:54<h2-gw>grub works fine
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15:54<jordanm>then perhaps you should explain the exact errors you are getting
15:54<h2-gw>if I call root= by /dev/sda1, not UUID or LABEL
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15:54<Efreak>dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sda1
15:54<h2-gw>grub is unable to locate the partition by uuid or label because I screwed up the partition boot sector
15:55<jordanm>h2-gw: oh, you mean /boot/grub/devices.map
15:55<h2-gw>cfdisk finds it find, gparted sees it, with label
15:55<jordanm>err device.map
15:55<h2-gw>jordan_, no
15:55<h2-gw>please google partition boot sector
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15:55<h2-gw>it's not related
15:55<jordanm>h2-gw: its not required
15:55<h2-gw>the device works fine, htere's nothing wrong with it
15:55<h2-gw>sigh
15:56<h2-gw>I appreciate your attempt to help but you are not understanding my question
15:56<jordanm>a partition does not need to be marked as bootable
15:56<h2-gw>this has nothing to do with that
15:56<jordanm>yep, I suppose I don't
15:56<h2-gw>again, I have corrupted my partition boot sector data by accidentally overwriting it with xp boot sector data
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15:57<h2-gw>this makes grub unable to use uuid or label to start that partition, I was hoping to find a tool like the xp fixboot to fix this, but otherwise I'll nuke the partition cp the data to a temp one then recreate the partition
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15:58<h2-gw>ok, I'll nuke it, that will only take 10 minutes
15:58<h2-gw>thanks anyway though
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16:06<grimnar>Anyone having troubles with clamav lately?
16:06<grimnar>The following packages have been kept back:
16:06<grimnar> clamav libclamav6 :(
16:06<grimnar>Now my mail system halts
16:07<jordanm>grimnar: aptitude full-upgrade?
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16:07<grimnar>yeah
16:07<jordanm>!bat
16:07<dpkg>In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
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16:08<xeross>dondelelcaro: Am I doing something wrong because as far as I can tell I am not
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16:08<grimnar>jordanm: http://paste.debian.net/92070/
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16:09<jordanm>grimnar: and the rest?
16:09<grimnar>Nothing yet, unsure what to do
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16:09<jordanm>grimnar: apt-cache policy; apt-cache policy clamav libclamav6
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16:10<grimnar>jordanm: http://paste.debian.net/92071/
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16:10<jordanm>,versions clamav
16:10<judd>Package clamav on i386 -- etch: 0.90.1dfsg-4etch19; etch-security: 0.90.1dfsg-4etch19; lenny: 0.94.dfsg.2-1lenny2; lenny-security: 0.94.dfsg.2-1lenny2; etch-backports: 0.95.2+dfsg-2~bpo40+1; etch-volatile: 0.95.3+dfsg-1~volatile1~etch2; squeeze: 0.96.1+dfsg-1; lenny-volatile: 0.96.3+dfsg-1~volatile1; sid: 0.96.3+dfsg-1
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16:11<jordanm>grimnar: this is a production server you are running testing on?
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16:12<grimnar>Yeah, semi production. (And please dont start a new discussion, its been up to discussion before here)
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16:12<jordanm>grimnar: and for good reason
16:12<grimnar>Yeah well
16:13<grimnar>So, what are my options?
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16:13<jordanm>grimnar: you need to remove the stable repos from your sources, and reinstall clamav\
16:13<grimnar>stable?
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16:14<grimnar>remove the testing repos?
16:14<jordanm>grimnar: the lenny-volatile repos
16:14<jordanm>grimnar: see #598082
16:14<jordanm>and don't use testing on servers!
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16:16<grimnar>jordanm: http://paste.debian.net/92076/ I need some advice to make sure its correct
16:17<jordanm>grimnar: you didn't remove the line I suggested you remove
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16:17<grimnar>No, I need help to make sure its the correct line, thats why I pasted it
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16:18<grimnar>Remove the last line?
16:19<user01>hmmm adobe flash seems to occasionally kill pulse audio in debian testing
16:20<user01>of course ive never had much luck wih audio in debian with pulse . . .
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16:26<copyier>hi there. I have several subdirs containing *.txt files. how can I copy all of them into a single dir?
16:27<kmap>I have a PDF, whose fonts are not visible "clearly" on Okular, kpdf, xpdf etc. I was wondering if someone who has time could check it out for me
16:27<jordanm>copyier: find /path/to/dir -name '*.txt' -exec cp '{}' /path/to/new/copy/ \;
16:27<copyier>thx
16:28<jordanm>copyier: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/UsingFind
16:28<xeross>I have a folder that I mounted that's busy now the folder isn't mounted any more but still busy, how can I delete it
16:28<grimnar>jordanm: did you understand me?
16:29<jordanm>grimnar: yes, its the only line containing lenny and the only line containing volatile
16:29<jordanm>grimnar: why are you using testing again?
16:29<kmap>copyier: Only one problem: if files have the sama name, they might be replaced
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16:29<grimnar>jordanm: So I just remove that line?
16:29<grimnar>jordanm: then remove and reinstall clamav?
16:30<jordanm>yes, but you have to do aptitude update before the reinstall
16:30<grimnar>jordanm: Then all my packages will be updated eh?
16:30<grimnar>(or downgraded)
16:30<grimnar>no sorry
16:30<grimnar>Nevermind
16:31<jordanm>grimnar: we really like to encourage the users of testing have some knwoledge of how debian package management works. If you could start over using stable, that would be great
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16:31<Lantizia>Lo in a certificate filename like this... sub.class2.server.ca.pem... what do you suppose "sub" means?
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16:31<jordanm>grimnar: updating does not upgrade or downgrade packages
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16:31<grimnar>jordanm: yeah I know, but I've been running testing like day 1, and I have never had ANY problems, except today.
16:32<grimnar>jordanm: yeah, I read apt-get upgrade :)
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16:32<grimnar>jordanm: The problems I've had nothing to do with testing/stable, only my own fault.
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16:33<jordanm>grimnar: but a problem was inevitable
16:33<jordanm>!tell grimnar about why aptitude
16:34<kmap>Reping: Could someone on Debian please open this PDF for me and let me know if the fonts appear all right? http://www.wiley-vch.de/berlin/journals/phiuz/07-04/Weizsaecker-Interview-Weblayout.pdf
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16:34<kmap>I am having serious font issues, and was wondering if I am missing some font package
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16:35<jordanm>kmap: yep, fonts are jacked up
16:35<bremner>kmap: sucks here too, squeeze
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16:35<jordanm>looks ok in my windows VM
16:35<kmap>jordanm, bremner Thanks
16:35<grimnar>kmap: no problems here
16:36<kmap>grimnar: Interesting. Which PDF viewer?
16:36<grimnar>kmap: OSX preview
16:36<kmap>grimnar: Er, I said Debian. :-)
16:36<grimnar>heh, oh, sorry
16:36<grimnar>(But it works on osx as well) :)
16:37<kmap>I think I'll mail debian-user; we can have a good discussion there.
16:37<kmap>Thanks for confirming
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16:45<grimnar>jordanm: thank you very much for your help, it's all up and running again :)
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16:47<jordanm>grimnar: np :)
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16:47<jordanm>think about my advice though
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16:49<grimnar>jordanm: yeah, I know I know :)
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17:03<jpaglier>anyone know why wake on lan would stop functioning after about an hour of being suspended or powered off? i havent completely isolated the conditions that lead to it, but it seems like the most glaring problems arise if i shut down using the menu option in the top panel instead of the command line
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17:11<pipe>jpaglier: might have to do with different sleep levels, there are sometimes BIOS settings about it
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17:33<iman>hi, i want to know how can i update debian kernel from 2.6.32 to 2.6.35
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17:35<cthuluh>!tell iman about experimental
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17:41<jpaglier>pipe: thanks, ill check it out
17:42<jordanm>kop: 7 replies already, that was fast
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17:55<derick_>hmm I have no wireless on my thinkpad t61 after clean install. wicd
17:55<derick_>debian testing
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17:56<derick_>anyone here with an t61?
17:56<derick_>should wireless work ootb?
17:58<retrospectacus>what's the pciid of the wireless card? it will be in the output of "lspci -nn" and look like [8086:244e]
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18:02<derick_>3:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 4965 AG or AGN [Kedron] Network Connection [8086:4230] (rev 61)
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18:02<retrospectacus>,pciid 8086:4230
18:02<judd>[8086:4230] is 'PRO/Wireless 4965 AG or AGN [Kedron] Network Connection' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel module 'iwl4965' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:4230 http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi http://wiki.debian.org/iwlagn
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18:02<retrospectacus>!iwl4965
18:02<dpkg>iwlwifi is the new driver for Intel 3945 and 4965 wireless LAN chipsets since Lenny. Firmware is required, ask me about <non-free sources> and install the firmware-iwlwifi package to provide. See http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi (particularly if switching from ipw3945). See also <iwlagn> <wmaster0>. #ipw2100 on irc.freenode.net.
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18:03<retrospectacus>derick_: do that ^
18:03<derick_>k
18:03<derick_>thanks
18:03<retrospectacus>ask if you have any trouble / more q's
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18:08<derick_>after modprobe, no wireless yet in wicd
18:09<derick_>should I add iwl4965 to /etc/modules?
18:10<derick_>retrospectacus:
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18:12<derick_>bbl
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18:16<derick_>hmm
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18:19<retrospectacus>derick_: sorry, I don't really know any more specifics, how's it working?
18:19<derick_>retrospectacus: I see now wireless networks
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18:20<derick_>retrospectacus: only not the one I want ;
18:20<derick_>;)
18:20<derick_>retrospectacus: but looks like the driver is working
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18:22<retrospectacus>hmm
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18:23<retrospectacus>perhaps your AP is using a mode not supported by your card, e.g. wireless-N
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18:25<daniel>hi all
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18:26<derick__>bingo
18:26<derick__>thanks
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18:26<daniel>"?? ??????? ????????? ? su" ???-?????? ????????????
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18:27<retrospectacus>daniel: wat?
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18:30<daniel>error sudo
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18:30<retrospectacus>!localized errors
18:30<dpkg>Rather than hoping that we recognise what has gone wrong from the error messages in your native language, please provide any error messages in English. You can do this by setting your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. LANG=C apt-get -f install
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18:34<daniel>sudo kate or other, write "unable to connect to su"
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18:35<retrospectacus>daniel: to run a graphical program with sudo, use a special alternative "gksu" or "sux"
18:35<retrospectacus>!sux
18:35<dpkg>sux is a utility for running X apps as a different user. "aptitude install sux" and documentation at http://fgouget.free.fr/sux/ . Also ask me about <root x> for other alternatives. Sux is also the way some people spell sucks and usually implies that they don't know what they are talking about; ask me about <u>.
18:35<retrospectacus>!root x
18:35<dpkg>If you need to run an X application as root (or another user), ask me about <sux> <gksu> <sshx> <mit-magic-cookie> <xauth> or look at kdesu and gksudo. Whatever you do, don't use <xhost> or try <running x as root>!
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18:37<retrospectacus>daniel: try: kdesu kate
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18:44<daniel>kdesu kate
18:44<daniel>Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
18:44<daniel>Xlib: No protocol specified
18:44<daniel>kdesu: cannot connect to X server :0.0
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18:48<daniel_>retrospectacus kdesu kate
18:48<daniel_>Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
18:48<daniel_>Xlib: No protocol specified
18:48<daniel_>kdesu: cannot connect to X server :0.0
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18:49<bremner>third times the charm...
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18:51<retrospectacus>guess not
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18:51<belora>Thank you very much for your answers
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18:52<belora>kdesu kate
18:52<belora>Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
18:52<belora>Xlib: No protocol specified
18:52<belora>kdesu: cannot connect to X server :0.0
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19:15<blockowitsch>hello. is there a fast way to install i386 libs into the /lib32 folder on a amd64 system? i could imagine a tool that downloads the i386 version of a package extracts the contents and repacks it so that all shared libraries are installed into /lib32 instead of /lib
19:15<themill>,info ia32-libs --arch amd64
19:15<blockowitsch>i do not mean the libraries that are already provided by the ia32-xxx packages
19:15<judd>Package ia32-libs (libs, optional) in lenny/amd64: ia32 shared libraries for use on amd64 and ia64 systems. Version: 2.7+lenny1; Size: 26181.9k; Installed: 66844k
19:15<themill>blockowitsch: other than that, not that I know of.
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19:16<blockowitsch>would be a nice thing to have that...at the moment i have to create a 32 bit chroot to run an application that is only available for i386
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20:47<jawnsy>does anyone know how to get rid of these (from sbuild/schroot):
20:47<jawnsy> /proc 0 0 0 - /var/lib/schroot/mount/sid-a175cb16-d134-47c4-a351-3685867fbc14/sid/proc
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21:02<blakes>I had a question about going from etch to lenny and going from 2.4 to 2.6 kernels
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21:02<blakes>After building my 2.6 kernel that worked for my sun blade 1000, my sata drives are not working. The card appears to be working (I have the right driver compiled), but they are giving me two errors
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21:02<blakes>on boot up, I get this error:
21:02<blakes> sdd: unknown partition table
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21:04<blakes>if I try to mount it, I get this error:
21:04<blakes>mount: /dev/sdd1 is not a valid block device
21:04<blakes>it almost seems like the definition in /dev/ is screwed up after upgrading from 2.4 to 2.6
21:04<blakes>anybody have any ideas or see anything like this before?
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21:07<abrotman>building ?
21:07<abrotman>does the 2.6 in etch not work ?
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21:08<blakes>no, the 2.6 in etch does not
21:08<blakes>because of the qlogic drivers that are needed
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21:10<ichdasich>blakes: blade1k?
21:10<ichdasich>isn't that the same hardware as in sf 280r?
21:11<Impulse>if root is on a raid 1 configuration and one of drives is removed
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21:11<Impulse>will debian boot?
21:11<blakes>not sure if it's the same as a sunfire 280r
21:11<blakes>well, I had debian working on the 2.4 kernel under lenny
21:11<blakes>then I built a custom kernel (2.6) and upgraded to lenny
21:12<blakes>my issue is just with the sata card (promise) that I have in the machine
21:12<ichdasich>yep
21:12<blakes>it seems to be working fine with applkications like gpart
21:12<blakes>but I can't mount the drives...i'm thinking maybe the old dev definitions are invalid now or something
21:12<Blacker47>blakes, device name could has been changed on your configuration
21:12<ichdasich>blakes: got a sf 280r running fine with lenny, upgraded to squeeze now
21:13<blakes>well, it was sdd1 and now it's still sdd1 (at least according to boot up messages)
21:13<ichdasich>blakes: why don't you just use the default kernel?
21:13<blakes>ichdasich: aside from always running into booting issues, I have a grsec hardened kernel
21:13<ichdasich>blakes: thats sort of a reason
21:14<blakes>i'm just curious if anybody knows how to update my /dev definitions
21:15<blakes>I tried MAKEDEV update
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21:45<damian>Ive been googling this for awhile but everytime I make either a cd copy of debian first disk to install debian the screen just stays blank. Have you heard of this before?
21:46<Nemoder>how far does it get?
21:47<damian>I tried unetbootin to try from a usb install but it doesnt work. Mint Linux worked but I don't want LMDE. It doesn't do anything. Just sits with the cursor blinking at the top left side.
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21:49<jawnsy>sounds like GRUB is borked
21:49<damian>I've downloaded amd stable 64 and tried 386. I'm beginning to wonder if it's the Intel Toshiba laptop.
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21:50<damian>I'm just frustrated lol. This is the only distro that I've never got running LMDE not counting
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21:50<RedIron>Anyone have time to help a windows guy fallin in love with linux ;)
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21:52<Nemoder>!ask
21:52<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
21:53<Nemoder>damian: if it's only a problem booting from cd you might be able to do a usb install http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html.en
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21:55<damian>thank you. We'll know in a few minutes if it works :)
21:56<Lantizia>hey I just installed php5-cgi and it's got two more modules enabled than the package description said it would have
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21:56<jawnsy>Lantizia: file a bug, use reportbug php5-cgi
21:56<Lantizia>can i trace where they came from (check they were compiled in to php5-cgi) or is it likely a bad description?
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21:57<_spOOn_>Lantizia, phpinfo() should show you what it was compiled with
21:57<Lantizia>_spOOn_, I'm on that now, which bit? I don't see it
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21:58<Lantizia>_spOOn_, it lists all the modules sure - that's now I know there are 2 extra
21:59<Lantizia>_spOOn_, cgi-fcgi and PDO are the extra ones... but I'm not sure if that is because I have debian packages apache2-mpm-worker and libapache2-mod-fcgid installed
21:59<jawnsy>maybe they just forgot, so file a bug report?
22:00<Lantizia>jawnsy, yeah but I want to _check_ if they forgot ... or if they're from somewhere else
22:00<jawnsy>I doubt either of those apache2 things would install `PHP Data Objects', whatever that is
22:00<Lantizia>and cgi-fcgi PHP module?
22:00<Lantizia>I mean it is php5-cgi lol
22:01<Lantizia>so I guess it could be an extra that php5 doesn't have
22:01<jawnsy>cgi doesn't imply FastCGI
22:01<jawnsy>they are different things
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22:01<Lantizia>ok prob just a bad description then
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22:02<jawnsy>personally I'd just go with filing a wishlist bug. if it's not actually a bug, then the experts on the package (e.g. the maintainers) are better equipped to figure out what's going on, and reassign the bug accordingly
22:02<jawnsy>but maybe I'm just saying that because I know I'm not gonna be the guy on the other end of this report ;)
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22:27<damian>Is there any information anyone has on installing debian from a toshiba satillite laptop? Messed up my hd last attempt trying the usb install help page.
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22:31<jpinx-eeepc>damian: does it boot from the a usb stick?
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22:33<damian>yes. Ive tried the directions from the debian help page on usb, as well as unetbootin to put the iso on there. last attempt messed up the hard drive information so im on my netbook now.
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22:34<jpinx-eeepc>damian: you don't put the iso on the usb stick! you put the installer there ;)
22:34<jpinx-eeepc>!netinstall
22:34<jpinx-eeepc>!usbinstall
22:34<dpkg>well, netinst is a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ See also <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>.
22:35<jpinx-eeepc>!usb install
22:35<dpkg>Yes, it is possible to install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 . To download USB stick images, ask me about <install debian>. https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer/+download to prepare from Windows. BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html
22:35<Impulse>does debian install with a daily security update cron job?
22:35<jpinx-eeepc>damian: there ya go :)
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22:35<jpinx-eeepc>Impulse: there is a package that will do auto updates of security - can't remember it's name now, but apt-cache search will show you
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22:36<damian>It's worked for ubuntu (ugh), Mint, and Fedora. I like how debian works and know it'd be my ffavorite of them all, LMDE just made me want debian more, after changing it to sid and seeing the Debian login screen ;) I'll try again jpinx lol
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22:36<jpinx-eeepc>damian: insatll stable
22:37<jpinx-eeepc>damien: sid is for when you know lots more about debian
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22:52-!-mode/#debian [+l 406] by debhelper
22:52<Impulse>it's called cron-apt
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22:54<Impulse>do i have to setup a mail server
22:54<Impulse>for cron-apt to be able to send a e-mail?
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22:56<blowback>Impulse: No.
22:56<blowback>You'll likely have a maildaemon setup already for local mail.
22:56<blowback>Try "mail" as root. See what you got already.
22:57<Impulse>"No mail for root"
22:57<Impulse>it's a fresh install
22:57<blowback>And it seems to be working ok.
22:58<Impulse>do i need to make changes
22:58<Impulse>for it to send a off system e-mail?
22:59<blowback>Not for local e-mails, no. Should already be working fine.
22:59<Impulse>but for non local?
22:59<blowback>If you wanted to have e-mails sent to an external account, then you're going to need to configure stuff.
22:59<Impulse>the maildeamon?
23:00<blowback>http://wiki.debian.org/postfix
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23:09<Lantizia>Hey do I need the "ca-certificates" package installed for my server to say host an SSL site with apache?
23:09<Lantizia>of is the "ca-certificates" package mainly so the server knows of CA's in general for connect to OTHER servers?
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23:10<Lantizia>*or is the
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23:10<abrotman>i don't think you need it, but IIRC it has a template to create self-signed
23:10<abrotman>(or maybe that was in the openssl package)
23:11<Lantizia>don't need self signed so it's OK
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23:17<sila>ubuntu 10.04 passd
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23:17<sila>有人在 吗
23:18<sila>any body here
23:18<abrotman>sila: #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net please
23:19<sila>do you know which funny games can play with linux without wine
23:20<blowback>sila: Have a look in synaptic.
23:20<sila>synaptic? i don't know what it is
23:20<blowback>(and don't be afraid to google)
23:21<abrotman>sila: #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net please
23:21<sila>ye google is good
23:21<blowback>And if you're using ubuntu, try /connect irc.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu
23:22<sila>ye i join it
23:22<sila>no body on line
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23:22<sila>just travel some irc
23:23<blowback>Ubuntu on freenode normally has at least a thousand users.
23:23<sila>i used windows xp yet
23:23<sila>and now i used the linux firest time
23:23<blowback>If you're not using Debian, we can't help you. Sorry.
23:24<blowback>Except to say check synaptic. It's installed on your system if you're using a debian-based linux.
23:24<sila>i known but i feel they are same as
23:24<blowback>!ubuntu
23:24<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
23:24<sila>thank you
23:25<sila>dpkg you know it is a little hard for use a system just like linux
23:25<dpkg>I resemble that remark!
23:26<sila>i set up the system for three days
23:26<blowback>sila: google for "beginner's linux guide" or similar. Plenty of starter documents online to help you get used to Linux.
23:26<sila>because my computer is asus K40
23:27<sila>ok thank you
23:27<sila>i will go to google it
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23:28<sila>did you feel that the linux is use more power than windows
23:29<sila>if i use windows my notebook will work 3 hours
23:29<sila>and i use ubuntu it just work 1.5 hours
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23:30<sila>and do you know how did i can make sure ubuntu will work for more
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23:31<blowback>Please, take the hint. You won't get support for Ubuntu here. Use the correct channel.
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23:32<sila>ok ok
23:32<sila>thank you
23:32<sila>just for chat
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23:32<blowback>For chat, #debian-offtopic please.
23:32<sila>blowback where are you from
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23:32<blowback>This is a support channel.
23:33<sila>debian and ubuntu which one do you feel batter
23:34<sila>if debian good i want to try it
23:34<blowback>For you, probably Ubuntu is a better option, as a beginner Linux user. Now, are you going to /join #debian-offtopic ?
23:35<sila>i am a html asp aspx and php coder
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23:36<sila>do you think if i develop in debian will fast than ubuntu
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23:37<sila>i hate windows too much bugs
23:37<j>lol
23:37<j>com on wonderfull world
23:38<sila>ye
23:38<sila>wonderfull
23:38<j>:)
23:38<sila>and freedom
23:38<sila>^_^
23:38<j>first time i test xchat he was already installed by default XD
23:39<sila>i am too
23:39<j>cool :)
23:39<j>you are as windowns?
23:39<sila>ye
23:39<j>ok
23:40<sila>and now i used ubuntu
23:40<sila>i used it for 5days now
23:40<j>: D
23:40<sila>it's funny
23:40<Impulse>exim or postfix?
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23:41<j>hi
23:41<sila>i 'll go now
23:41<sila>lunch time
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23:41<j>ok good night
23:41<j>good lunch
23:41<sila>i came from china
23:41<j>WOOW
23:42<j>so far
23:42<j>i m in france
23:42<sila>if ICBC can used in linux
23:42<sila>I WILL USE ONLY LINUX
23:42<j>lol
23:42<sila>OK
23:42<j>it was same for me with quake3 arena
23:42<j>D
23:42<sila>EN
23:43<sila>BYE NOW
23:43<j>cyao bb :)
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