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#debian IRC Logs for 2010-09-28

---Logopened Tue Sep 28 00:00:11 2010
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00:03<inoxs>hi1
00:03<inoxs>hi!
00:03<inoxs>this is new for me...
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00:04<kmap>!tell inoxs about irc tutorial
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00:05<inoxs>irc?
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00:07<dominick>!irc
00:07<dpkg>IRC is Internet Relay Chat, the means to provide #debian to its patrons. Official Debian IRC channels: http://wiki.debian.org/IRC . Please read http://wiki.debian.org/GettingHelpOnIrc . Ask me about <irc tutorial> and <faq>. See also <debstats> and <irclog>.
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00:10<inoxs>Desde México D.F. Estoy terminando mi primera instalación de Debian, saludos a todos.
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00:25<dominick>!es
00:25<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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00:28<dominick>err hi! the link to irc primer given in the factoid "irc tutorial" is broken! Can somebody change it?
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00:29<dominick>!irc tutorial
00:29<dpkg>A Short IRC Primer: http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/ircprimer.html, or http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/new2irc.html
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00:29<dominick>hmm! seems the comma is killing the link!
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00:36<dondelelcaro>dpkg: irc tutorial =~ s/html,/html/
00:36<dpkg>that doesn't contain 'html,', dondelelcaro
00:36<dondelelcaro>dpkg: literal irc tutorial
00:36<dpkg>"irc tutorial" is "A Short IRC Primer: http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/ircprimer.html or http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/new2irc.html"
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01:08<cast93>hello
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01:09<dominick>!say hello
01:09<dpkg>hello
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01:10<jpinx-eeepc>dpkg: hello
01:10<dpkg>niihau, jpinx-eeepc
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02:36<hide>Hello everyone. Let's say I have a user 'john' in my system. Is there any way to make an alias so user 'pete' would conenct via ssh, enter username 'pete' and john's password and would login succesfully?
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02:38<rpetre>why would you want that? (shared password for different users)
02:38<blowback>hide: if you want john to connect as pete, let him connect as pete.
02:38<hide>those users actually are technical users (a databse conencts via public key, executes commands, etc) so I need those both to have the same environment
02:39<rpetre>use public key auth, then
02:39<blowback>or, simply create a new shared account which grants the required privs.
02:39<dondelelcaro>or just use sudo
02:39<dondelelcaro>depends on what the account is for, and what people are doing with it
02:39<hide>commands come from database so no sudo (I can't alter commands it inputs)
02:40<dondelelcaro>uh... you can always alter the commands...
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02:40<hide>well, I want to keep things simple. There're tons of ways for workaround, I know
02:40<dondelelcaro>anyway, if you don't give us more information, we can't give you better advice
02:40<blowback>keep it simple by creating a dedicated, shared account.
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02:41<hide>how do I create a shared one?
02:41<dondelelcaro>hide: how are the users logging in? ssh?
02:41<blowback>create an account, grant the necessary permissions, and then give the login details to whoever you want to manage your setup.
02:41<hide>It's actually a script, not real users; yes, via ssh
02:42<dondelelcaro>hide: so create an account with a disabled password, and create keys for all of the machines that should log in, and put them in .ssh/authorized_keys
02:42<blowback>call it remoteadmin or something.
02:42<dondelelcaro>(or whatever is appropriate for your specific ssh configuration)
02:42<hide>I have a big(er) router + nat + etc. Databse conencts to it, updates user list, iptables rules, arp rules, etc. Some time it will split into two routers...
02:42<dondelelcaro>blowback: shared passwords is a *bad* idea. No one should know anyone elses password
02:43<blowback>dondelelcaro: fine, then authorized key access is the way to go.
02:43<hide>It is the only way to go, as far as I know ;-)
02:43<hide>scripts can't input any passwords anyway
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02:44<dondelelcaro>hide: you'll probably also want to restrict the hosts from which those keys are accepted, etc.
02:44<rpetre>oh, you can find plenty of ways to shoot yourself in the foot, if you really want to ;)
02:44<hide>actually ssh ir strictly firewalled so no problem
02:44<hide>*is
02:44<dondelelcaro>hide: doesn't matter
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02:45<dondelelcaro>I mean, that's a first step, but there's no reason not to have defence in depth, especially when it's trivial to implement
02:45<dondelelcaro>and please, don't repeat the same question in this channel and on freenode.
02:46<engine64>hi all, anyone know how to convert a proprietary .vox audio file from Dialogic to wav format in Linux? I coudn't find one in Google. thanks in advance.
02:46<hide>you can always have from="..." in the key
02:46<dondelelcaro>hide: in the authorized_keys bit, yes.
02:46<hide>dondelelcaro, freenode is sleepy this morning...
02:47<dondelelcaro>hide: doesn't matter; pick one. we're on both
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02:47<hide>not all of you are on both ;-)
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02:48<dondelelcaro>yeah, but enough of us are that it's annoying. [Or at least, advertise to the other channel that you're being helped on this one or vice versa]
02:49<blowback>Choose one network, stick with it!
02:49<dondelelcaro>you can be on both networks, that's cool; just avoid repeating a question on both networks
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02:49<dondelelcaro>anyway, not a huge deal
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03:12<vikas>hello sir plz tell me how to add my 5 debian dvd in apt repository
03:13<dondelelcaro>vikas: man apt-cdrom
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03:31<kucuong>hi
03:31<kucuong>ping www.google.com
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03:33<kucuong>hi
03:33<kucuong>are you there
03:34<jpinx-ee1pc>kucuong: just ask
03:34<jpinx-ee1pc>!ask
03:34<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
03:34<kucuong>about metasploit
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03:35<kucuong>update metasploit ?
03:35<kucuong>do you know?
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04:51<minerzero69>is anyone running backtrack?
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04:51<petemc>!bt4
04:51<dpkg>BackTrack is not Debian and is not supported in #debian (ask me about <based on debian>). Try http://www.backtrack-linux.org/ or #backtrack-linux on irc.freenode.net instead. BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux.
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05:04<pipe>Someone should spank the bt4 devs for not changing the default channels in the IRC clients
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05:07<jm_>or ubuntu :)
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06:38<qq-> my google search say "http://www.google.ch/search?client=safari&rls=en-us" , it means i use 'safari' web interface ?
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06:45<chenlong>your brower is safari
06:46<chenlong>do you use qq?
06:46<qq->my browser is epiphany-browser
06:48<chenlong>Do you see mac style pages?
06:48<chenlong>Are you Chinese?
06:49<qq->chenlong, i use all defaults from gnome,
06:49<chenlong>linux qq?
06:50<qq->and no , for .cn
06:51<qq->debian 'qq-' ;)
06:51<chenlong>ubuntu?
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06:53<chenlong>I know.Epiphany and Safari all base on webkit.
06:54<f8l>chenlong: So is Midori, and I don't have that. It depends on the settings.
06:54<chenlong>Safari is more popular.So the website page thinks you using Safari.
06:55<chenlong>Midori also bases on webkit.
06:56<f8l>chenlong: It's not the website that sends variables via GET method.
06:57<chenlong>website can know your brower type.
06:57<f8l>chenlong: Sure, but it will not put anything into your address bar.
06:58<jm_>never heard of redirects?
06:59<chenlong>f81:it can.
07:01<f8l>jm_: "Hey, he says he uses Epiphany, but we know he lies. Let's redirect him to Safaris search page!" ;-)
07:01<chenlong>Here ,people is little.ubuntu has many persons.
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07:02<chenlong>google is not work for apple!
07:02*f8l puts quality over quantity.
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07:04<f8l>qq-: It may be a KHTML leftover. Just shooting.
07:04<amphi>qq-: how do you get that? I don't, even with midori pretending to be safari
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07:05<amphi>oh no!
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07:05<chenlong>amphi:What' happend!?
07:06<amphi>some set up us the bomb!
07:06<f8l>qq-: Check the settings of search engines and maybe bookmarks.
07:07*f8l can hear the ticking.
07:07<amphi>chenlong: I was trying to reproduce qq-'s phenomenon
07:07<chenlong>I hear nothing.
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07:08<amphi>as for sites 'knowing' your browser, as far as I know they just believe the user agent header
07:09*f8l installs epiphany-webkit.
07:09*amphi likes midori
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07:10*f8l does so.
07:11<f8l>qq-: Looks like Epiphany's fault.
07:12<qq->so dunno why .. f8l that's what i thought initially
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07:14<f8l>qq-: User agent mentions KHTML and Apple WebKit, but does not mention Safari.
07:15<pipe>So are there any webkit browsers with a useful alternative to noscript and adblock?
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07:16<f8l>Epiphany seems to be lighter than Midori, but it is less configurable I think.
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07:17<f8l>pipe: Midori has it's own addblock, and it is said to be able to reuse Firefox plugins.
07:17<chenlong>firefox has many additons.It's no problem.
07:17<qq->f8l, squeeze epiphany here, and seen some issue as not capable to do "ftp://blablah" or "file:///" ...
07:18<f8l>chenlong: Firefox is Gecko-based, not WebKit-based.
07:19<f8l>qq-: Well, it is a web browser, not a file manager/ftp client. Midori can't do that either.
07:19<qq->but iceweasel can
07:19<f8l>dpkg -r epiphany
07:19*dpkg removes epiphany along with a pound of flesh from f8l's body, then staples f8l back up with a staple gun.
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07:20<mmarti24>#join ubuntu-fr
07:20<mmarti24>lu everybody
07:20<qq->mdr
07:20<chenlong>iceweasel bases on FF
07:21<qq->qq-, anyways sy later
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07:23<chenlong>Konqueror can be a file/manager and ftp client.
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07:23<amphi>midori/webkit open file:// urls fine here
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07:24*amphi wonders why you would want a web browser to be a file manager
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07:24<f8l>amphi: Right, it works. I meant it cannot list directories.
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07:25<amphi>f8l: right
07:26<chenlong>FF has a addition to be file manager.
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07:28<f8l>I think we should move this talk to #debian-offtopic.
07:29<amphi>chenlong: that's another extension that belongs in the 'but why?' category, I think ;)
07:29<amphi>f8l: you are right
07:30<chenlong>I don't like it.qq_ mentioned it.Maybe it can developed a WebOS.
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07:31<amphi>chenlong: better /join #debian-offtopic if you want to continue this conversation
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07:33<chenlong>Has i do some wrong?I don't begging it.
07:33<amphi>chenlong: no, just that this conversation is off topic for this channel
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08:40<jini>hi there
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09:09<erni3>just hired a remote dedicated Lenny box, I can't seem to disable service startup types; both rcconf and sysv-rc-conf don't seem to have any effect. Does anybody know how I could change service startup types?
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09:10<erni3>services like apache2 and mysql keep getting started at boot..
09:11<gob_bluth>i'm having problems with a raid5 array, i can't start it as 2 are marked active 2 are marked spares
09:11<gob_bluth>how do i get it to not be spres anymore ?
09:11<rpetre>erni3: update-rc.d, but you're better off if you look in /etc/rc*.d
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09:13<erni3>for apache it says K09apache2
09:13<erni3>I disabled it for all runlevels... still it starts at boot
09:14<OdyX>man update-rc.d
09:15<erni3>reading it as you speak, tnx
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09:17<themill>erni3: which runlevel did you check?
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09:18<rpetre>grep initdefault /etc/inittab -> this says the default runlevel
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09:19<erni3>first I did 'runlevel' saw I was on 2, so edited runlevel 2
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09:19<erni3>it didn't work, then I disabled it for all runlevels, still didn't work
09:19<themill>that should be sufficient. How are you testing whether it worked or not?
09:19<erni3>reboots in between of course
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09:21<erni3>update-rc.d -f apache2 remove && reboot
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09:21<mbruins>hiya, i just installed debian lenny and now i really would like to install tor (client) on my gnome desktop. is that possible? i already googled but there a few guides and they look outdated
09:21<themill>erni3: that won't do what you want. Or at least, it won't do what you want next time the apache2 packages are updated.
09:22<mbruins>!tor
09:22<dpkg>The Onion Router (Tor) is a low-latency anonymous communication system. Packaged for Debian, only enables the onion proxy by default. Lenny's 0.2.0.x version is end-of-life'd by upstream, ask me about <volatile> for 0.2.1.x packages. Tor is not allowed on freenode's #debian (http://freenode.net/policy.shtml#tor), ask me about <tor-sasl>. https://torproject.org/ #tor on irc.freenode.net.
09:22<erni3>I figured, if I disable a service on ALL runlevels... that should suffice, shouldn't it??
09:23<erni3>the box is brand new, OS freshly installed....
09:23<themill>erni3: yes. You haven't said how you're testing whether or not it's working yet.
09:23<erni3>ah
09:23<erni3>ps -aux
09:23<erni3>and portscan
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09:25<erni3>update-rc.d -f apache2 remove didn't work either
09:25<erni3>starting to get a bit stumped
09:25<themill>erni3: do you have some other management software running there that would be checking if apache2 had fallen over and trying to restart it if that has happened?
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09:26<erni3>probably. is there an easy way to check?
09:26<erni3>after killing apache it doesn
09:27<erni3>t respawn
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09:44<matteo1990>hi all, i have installed Debian 5.0 and i have followed the steps to install nvidia non-free drivers. All worked fine but my screen is kind of zoomed and i have the borders cutted, so i can't see the panels, how to solve this problem? ( I have an nvidia 8400 gt and the xorg is created by nvidia-settings)
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09:55<Pascal_1>hello
09:55<Pascal_1>I've got a problem with cron :
09:55<Pascal_1>i made a script launched by crontab wich tar a lot of file from a list (tar -cvf /home/backup.tar -T /home/liste)
09:55<Pascal_1>there is a lot of file in liste file.
09:55<Pascal_1>When cron do the job i get a mail with the list of the files, this list is very important : near 200 lines.
09:55<Pascal_1>The mail that i get is litle "dirty", i mean i've got the begining of the list and some stranges caracters and again the list of the file.
09:55<Pascal_1>I cant explain why, i made the test on some lenny and alway the same problem.
09:55<Pascal_1>somebody could help me to understand ?
09:55<themill>dpkg: tell Pascal_1 about enter
09:57<pipe>Pascal_1: Sounds like you get the mail in the wrong encoding
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09:57<Pascal_1>first sorry for the flood
09:57<pipe>Pascal_1: Perhaps your mail client expects ISO8859-1 but the email is sent in UTF-8
09:58<Pascal_1>pipe: pipe the begnning of the mail is good, the test i made : if the list is shorter it works fine
09:58<ironm>hi - is there a HA-cluster solution for debian? (High Availability Cluster) - what would be your recommendation? - thank you in advance for any hints ;)
09:58<Pascal_1>for information on my lenny i use ssmtp to send mail
09:58<pipe>Pascal_1: Do all files have the same name? If they don't, you can't be sure if it's the length or if it depends on different filenames
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10:01<matteo1990>hi all, i have installed Debian 5.0 and i have followed the steps to install nvidia non-free drivers. All worked fine but my screen is kind of zoomed and i have the borders cutted, so i can't see the panels, how to solve this problem? ( I have an nvidia 8400 gt and the xorg is created by nvidia-settings)
10:01<Pascal_1>pipe: i made some test , it seems to be the size of the list which give problem, not the name of the file
10:02<pipe>ok
10:02<Pascal_1>pipe: may be could you make the test ?
10:02<pipe>no, I can't
10:02<Pascal_1>ok
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10:03<pipe>matteo1990: yeah, we know.
10:03<OvErCloCK>hi :)
10:04<Pascal_1>pipe: any idea ?
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10:04<pipe>Pascal_1: No, 200 lines isn't much, shouldn't be a problem
10:05<pipe>Pascal_1: But if I were you I'd stop relying on cron to send the email, and make tar output to a temporary file and then send the file
10:06<pipe>Pascal_1: Make a short script for that and call from cron
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10:07<Pascal_1>pipe: you mean that use cron to send result is not a good idea ?
10:08<pipe>Well, does it work?
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10:10<matteo1990>anyone knows how to get the digital audio work? I have unmuted all the alsamixer voices
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10:17<gob_bluth>how do you the debian partition installer cfg running again?
10:17<gob_bluth>during install, deb has a partition menu of things you can do -- how do you start that in the console?
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10:22<kop>gob_bluth: That might be the parted command.
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11:16<km82rt>hi
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11:17<km82rt>Was there any change with squeeze that X11 Forwarding does not work as before (I enabled it in sshd_config of course). $DISPLAY simply remains empty
11:18<pipe>check /var/log/auth or syslog
11:18<pipe>or run ssh with -vv
11:18<pipe>or any number of v's giving you information
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11:19<pipe>if you just installed a system, you might need to install some xauth or similar, depending on how you installed it
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11:27<km82rt>pipe: Bingo! You made my day.
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11:27<km82rt>pipe: I was starting from a minimal install on a Seagate dockstar device (arm)
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11:27<pipe>figures
11:27<km82rt>in order to debug some ip6 issues I want wireshark....
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11:28<pipe>You can run tshark or tcpdump on the host and transport the pcap stream over ssh and use wireshark directly on your desktop
11:29<pipe>Might be much faster if the machine is slow
11:29<pipe>wireshark -k -i <( ssh name_of_machine /usr/bin/tshark -i eth0 -w -)
11:30<pipe>You could also skip ssh and use netcat or similar
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11:32<erkurita>I'd go for netcat
11:33<pipe>depends where the remote machine is located
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11:33<pipe>you might not want to do this over a public network without ssh
11:33<erkurita>Assuming from his situation, I'd say pretty much next to him :P
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11:34<erkurita>http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10354356-1.html
11:34<pipe>Probably, but I have no idea what he's talking about anyway, so I assume the worst
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11:35<pipe>ok, now I googled for dockstar, so yeah, probably very close :P
11:35<erkurita>A Seagate Dockstar is a pseudo-NAS
11:35<erkurita>So yeah :p
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11:36<pipe>Delivers built-in award-winning Pogoplug® functionality
11:36<pipe>amazing.
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11:36<erkurita>And charges for remote access
11:36<erkurita>:p
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11:36<erkurita>Oh look, Pogoplug doesn't
11:37<anotherdebianusr>Hi. Could someone pass me firefox repositories?
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11:37<f8l>anotherdebianusr: What do you mean?
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11:38<anotherdebianusr>f8l: Firefox ppa or the line that one adds to sources.list.
11:38<anotherdebianusr>I am new to debian. I assume there are available?
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11:39<f8l>anotherdebianusr: I guess you've been using Ubuntu before?
11:39<dominick>anotherdebianusr, use iceweasel instead!
11:39<dominick>!iceweasel
11:39<dpkg>Iceweasel is a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces it in Debian as of Etch. It is not GNU's Firefox fork (now known as <IceCat>). Ask me about <why iceweasel> and <iceweasel user-agent>. Use gnome-default-applications-properties to change settings such as the mail reader. http://wiki.debian.org/Iceweasel
11:40<anotherdebianusr>I am aware of Icewasel still I would like to install Firefox. Yes I am ex Ubuntu user.
11:40<dominick>anotherdebianusr, iceweasel is like the more optimized version of firefox for debian! and with a different name!
11:41<anotherdebianusr>dominick: Ok You convinced me, I will try it out, however, there are Firefox repos?
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11:43<dominick>anotherdebianusr, you might want to try this: http://linuxtrends.com/adding-real-firefox-to-debian-lenny/
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11:44<anotherdebianusr>dominick: Thank You.
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11:45<f8l>I guess he didn't like the logo. ;-)
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11:52<erkurita>f8l, it was too cool for him
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11:54<dfdfx6>hello
11:54<dfdfx6>can i ask soemthing
11:54<kmap>!tell dfdfx6 about ask
11:54<dfdfx6>is stable (lenny) vulnerable to new
11:54<dfdfx6>exploit (
11:54<dfdfx6>64bit kernels)
11:54<dfdfx6>?
11:54<kmap>dfdfx6: Any exploits which came out after the release would be listed as Debian Security advisories
11:55<kmap>dfdfx6: Your best bet would be to install Debian, and get security upgrades
11:55<kmap>(Whic hare present in the sources.list by default, so will be pulled in automagically when you update)
11:55<dfdfx6>but no updates are available now
11:56<f8l>dfdfx6: So you can feel quite safe.
11:56<erkurita>Then it means there's no (known and patched) vulnerabilities to be worried about
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11:56<kmap>To the best of Debian's security team's knowledge, at least. And I personally trust the security team. ;-)
11:57<dfdfx6>yeap i trust them too but i don't have access to the computer atm
11:57<weasel>AIUI there were two issues
11:57<dfdfx6>so i cant test it by myself
11:57<weasel>one was fixed with the most recent kernel update
11:57<rpetre>dfdfx6: http://www.debian.org/security/2010/dsa-2110 - this is the latest dsa for the kernel
11:57<weasel>the other only applied to kernels >= .27
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12:00<dfdfx6>as long as i remeber we are using 2.6.26-2-vserver-amd64
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12:32<arrtg>hi all!
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12:33<Ion_19>Hi arrtg
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12:43<NOMADICUS>Hello, I am trying to configure a usb drive to boot with multiple options. I want to use it as a debian installer for i386 or amd64 architectures of the version 5.0.6. I also want to have a persistant live install that I can boot into to showcase Debian to people and also use as a utility for system recovery and troubleshooting. How can I achieve this? I have the i386 and amd64 iso images.
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12:45<anotherdebianusr>I need to make some changes to synaptics.conf, however, it is not present in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ but can be found in /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d under slightly different name "50-synaptics.conf". What sould I do now?
12:47<Torsten_W>anotherdebianusr, copy it to /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d
12:47<Torsten_W>anotherdebianusr, then edit the file there
12:47<anotherdebianusr>Torsten_W: I like simple solutions. Thank You.
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12:59<anotherdebianusr>Could someone please list the files in ones /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ? Strange that I don't even have this directory.
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13:00<Chi-kitory>Hello, im having issues with my domu/dom0 and establishing a xen connection
13:00<Chi-kitory>i am getting "BusyBox v1.10.2 (Debian 1:1.10.2-2) built-in shell (ash)
13:00<Chi-kitory>Enter 'help' for a list of built-in commands.
13:00<Chi-kitory>/bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off
13:00<Chi-kitory>(initramfs)
13:00<Chi-kitory>"
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13:07<anotherdebianusr>touchpad fail. Be right back
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13:13<jhutchins_lt>NOMADICUS: I think the installers use busybox to boot. Not sure what the live CD's use, if busybox then figuring out a busybox boot menu would be what you need to do.
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13:15<jhutchins_lt>anotherdebianusr: Generally the directory is not necessary, but it's available for options.
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13:18<anotherdebianusr>jhutchins_lt: Thank You.
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13:21<anotherdebianusr>I need to make touchpad click available on eee 1001px. By any changes someone has knowledge how to achieve this?
13:21<jhutchins_lt>Yes, but it wasn't me.
13:21<jhutchins_lt>Isn't there a site devoted to linux on eee pc's?
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13:22<anotherdebianusr>jhutchins_lt: If there is one I need to find it.
13:22<wgvandergriff99>SZ
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13:23<leshak>hi! i need from help! i'm installed two debian servers, the first server are mysql databases but the second server i need that connect on the first mysql server using phpmyadmin, how can i make this? 10.10.0.5(mysql databases) 10.10.0.6(need connect phpmyadmin with 10.10.0.5)
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13:28<jhutchins_lt>leshak: Check the documentation of phpadmin for how to specify the address of the sql server, and check the mysql documentation for how to allow non-local connections.
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13:28<jhutchins_lt>leshakI don't recall the details, but I know they are there.
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13:29<bremner>anotherdebianusr: check wiki.debian.org
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13:30<retrospectacus>anotherdebianusr: there is a debian-eeepc irc channel
13:30<retrospectacus>!eeepc
13:30<dpkg>The Eee PC (aka RM ASUS Minibook) is a <netbook> designed by ASUS. Linux models are supplied with <Xandros> which is not supported in #debian, join #eeepc on irc.freenode.net for support. To install Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC for installation and configuration details. See also <atl2>, <atl1c>. Mailing list: http://alioth.debian.org/mail/?group_id=31309 #debian-eeepc on irc.oftc.net.
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13:31<anotherdebianusr>retrospectacus: Thanks!
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13:31<cjsurratt064>lj
13:32<jhutchins_lt>retrospectacus: Dozens of web pages as well.
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13:35<Alt_Bass>Hay ppl. Where do ppl get tool sources? I need "ifup" source code.
13:35<blowback>From source repos, Alt_Bass.
13:35<retrospectacus>!sources
13:35<dpkg>The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian lenny main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <lenny security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
13:35<retrospectacus>hmm that's not it
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13:36<retrospectacus>you do: apt-get source ifupdown
13:37<Alt_Bass>Thanks, will remember it.
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13:42<cjsurratt064>'?
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13:49<cjsurratt064>msg wgvandergriff99 :o
13:49<ml|>retrospectacus: you wanted 'source' I believe
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13:51<retrospectacus>could be
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13:52<cjsurratt064>help
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13:54<retrospectacus>!ask
13:54<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
13:54<retrospectacus>cjsurratt064: just explain your problem
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13:56<km82rt>pipe: The point about that dockstar device is to put a plain debian on it which makes it a very economic NAS/Server device (notmuch power needed). No need to insecure subscription services but a 25€ device which pretty fast (it delivers 8 MB/s fully encrypted storage...)
13:56<km82rt>24a- == 25,- €
13:56<km82rt>a-== Euro
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14:02<Tellmarch>hello... does anybody know, by chance, why could cause a mailbox file to be corrupted? suddenly my imapd can't access to it. i use fetchmail, but don't know if it can be the cause... it worked fine for months.
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14:04<rpetre>Tellmarch: usually multiple programs accessing it (mta/imapd, for instance) and bad locking
14:05<Tellmarch>i have a prayer webmail that accessed it too... any idea how to repair it?
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14:05<Tellmarch>the mails i receive are still added at the end of the file, i see them with less.
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14:06<jhutchins_lt>Tellmarch: webmail probably accesses it through the imap daemon.
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14:07<jhutchins_lt>Tellmarch: Best bet to get it working agian would be to move/rename the file and create a new one.
14:07<jhutchins_lt>Tellmarch: Procmail might be able to help you get the messages out of the old file.
14:07<jakse>hi all i need help configuring compiz on a fresh debian install - where to start?
14:07<jhutchins_lt>,versions compiz
14:07<judd>Package compiz on i386 -- etch: 0.2.2-1; etch-backports: 0.5.2-2~bpo40+1; lenny: 0.7.6-7; sid: 0.8.4-4; squeeze: 0.8.4-4
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14:09<jakse>hmm... how to tell?
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14:11<jhutchins_lt>Just on a hunch, I typed wiki.debian.org/compiz into my browser and guess what?
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14:13<jakse>i should have been more specifik.... i have read that and tryed it out... but i never get any xorg.conf file... and maybe my real issue is that
14:13<jakse>xorg -config does not make sense to me :(
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14:17<jhutchins_lt>X --configure
14:18<Tellmarch>jhutchins_lt, thanks for the help. I deleted the first message manually in the file, which had parts of the header replaced by random binary characters... and it seems to be working now.
14:18<jhutchins_lt>Tellmarch: Yay!
14:18<Tellmarch>i'm curious as to what made it happen though.
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14:18<jhutchins_lt>Tellmarch: When's the last time you fsck'ed the disk?
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14:19<Tellmarch>i never did it...
14:19<Tellmarch>but it's a pretty stable machine (until now...)
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14:19<Tellmarch>uptime
14:19<Tellmarch> 20:18:48 up 650 days
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14:19<jhutchins_lt>Tellmarch: Ok, so your kernel's two years old.
14:20<Tellmarch>Mon Oct 16 14:05:25 CEST 2006 i686 GNU/Linux
14:20<Tellmarch>a bit more i'm afraid.
14:20<Tellmarch>ok
14:20<Tellmarch>i'll try to do a backup and upgrade all that.
14:21<jhutchins_lt>I don't think that's relevant, but it's not a good idea to let a mailserver get too far behind on security updates.
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14:21<Tellmarch>i only use it for private purpose, so i was not too worried about security. but i agree with you.
14:22<jhutchins_lt>I can tell you from experience that security through obscurity doesn't work.
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14:22<jhutchins_lt>What is possibly relevant is that the disk itself may be getting old, and/or memory I/O connections could be degraded.
14:22<Tellmarch>yes, i'm afraid that might be the case
14:23<jhutchins_lt>If it were mine I'd probably shut it down, re-seat all of the modules/connectors, clean it out, fsck it.
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14:24<jhutchins_lt>Back it up, start working on the upgrades.
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14:24<Tellmarch>yes, i'll do that now
14:24<Tellmarch>thanks for the advice
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14:27<mrclemmons595>use /lj
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14:27<mrclemmons595>e /lj
14:27<mrclemmons595>lj
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14:27<diego__>hi, I have some ugly question for you ... I know this is really unsafe but
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14:28<diego__>lets say I want to create a ssh key so I dont type the password when I log in to a server
14:28<diego__>but ssh keys are blocked on this server
14:28<diego__>so ... I would really like to emulate somehow
14:28<diego__>maybe , make an alias of ssh to a program that will interact with the real ssh
14:28<diego__>and have my password in a .txt file
14:29<diego__>(again, I know this is really unsafe and I should not do it, but, is there any easy way)
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14:32<rpetre>diego__: you probably would be interested in expect
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14:33<rpetre>but you'll find easier to discuss with the admin to enable pubkey authentication :)
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14:33<rpetre>or at least to explain why he blocks it
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14:34<themill>or to verify that it is actually disabled (it's unlikely to be)
14:34<diego__>its disabled (I actually have sudo on that server too, I could enable it, but I shouldnt lol)
14:35<diego__>they just dont want you to create a key on a computer that is outside the office (dont know why)
14:35<diego__>and they blocked even inside
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14:39<Kevin>who
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14:41<mrclemmons595>what ui up
14:41<mrclemmons595>what is up
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14:42<mrclemmons595>are you there
14:43<themill>Kevin, mrclemmons595, your: this isn't a social channel. Perhaps you want #moocows.
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14:50<klmowery783>who
14:50<klmowery783>R
14:50<klmowery783>U
14:51<retrospectacus>!debian
14:51<dpkg>[debian] http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents
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14:51<klmowery783>greetings chealer
14:52<klmowery783>iOops, hello
14:52-!-iOops [~iOops@i59F75F0B.versanet.de] has quit []
14:52<klmowery783>?
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14:52<retrospectacus>klmowery783: this isn't a social channel. Perhaps you want #moocows.
14:53<mrclemmons595>i see you
14:54<retrospectacus>I doubt it
14:54<mrclemmons595>what
14:54<retrospectacus>I doubt you can see me
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14:54<mrclemmons595>you are in the front
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14:55<retrospectacus>mrclemmons595: do you have a question about Debian?
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14:57<mrclemmons595>no
14:57<mrclemmons595>i am good
14:57<klmowery>Why not?
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14:57<klmowery>This is the place to ask, no?
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14:58<retrospectacus>unless you have a question or are answering a question, be quiet
14:58<mrclemmons595>who are you
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14:59<retrospectacus>unless you have a question about debian or are answering a question about debian, be quiet
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15:01<agrosu>hello, does anybody know if No Starch Press' "The Debian System" second edition is still comming ?
15:01<agrosu>they don't answer emails
15:01<agrosu>and the book is not listed anymore
15:01<mrclemmons595>exit
15:01<mrclemmons595>quit
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15:01<agrosu>it was listed a while ago on O'Reilly Store
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15:02<agrosu>as "rough cuts" or something
15:02<agrosu>now it is gone
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15:03<rpetre>amazon still has it up for preorder
15:03<agrosu>uh?
15:04<agrosu>amazon.com?
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15:04<rpetre>co.uk
15:04<agrosu>hmm
15:04<rpetre>http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/1593272197
15:04<rpetre>says Sep 8 , though :(
15:05<agrosu>well it is weird
15:05<agrosu>nostarch.com no longer lists it
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15:08<anotherdebianusr>When I see in Top that firefox-bin uses 98% of cpu does this means that it uses that much in comparison to other processes or is it overall usage of cpu power?
15:08<retrospectacus>percent of total cycles
15:08<retrospectacus>of one core
15:09<Gathond>at the current CPU clock
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15:09<Gathond>if the CPU is throttled that is, it probably aint if anything takes 98% though
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15:12<anotherdebianusr>To be honest I don't get what You are saying. Of course this is caused by lack in my "education". Any good link that will explain this to me?
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15:15<cahoot>anotherdebianusr: seems ff is occupying most of your cpu
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15:15<anotherdebianusr>Goddamn You flash. Thanks for answers.
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15:16<anotherdebianusr>"114%" twilight zone.
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15:19<anotherdebianusr>Could someone explain me the phenomena of > 100%. You see it breaks some basic concepts in my head.
15:20<retrospectacus>well if you have a dual core, you have up to 200%
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15:22<agrosu>ff spikes for a short period to some high cpu usage while rendering content but then drops off to <5%
15:22<agrosu>maybe you have a (more) tab(s) with flash
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15:23<agrosu>i am using iceweasel, not ff
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15:23<thebilgerat>will there be any jumping onto the libreoffice bandwagon?
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15:24<anotherdebianusr>Thanks again. I do have multi threading so I guess this can cause the strange preformance output.
15:24<agrosu>the 3.5.* versions are hideously non-threaded
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15:25<agrosu>but 4.* beta
15:25<agrosu>is distributing along cores
15:25<anotherdebianusr>But I have only one core?
15:26<agrosu>@anotherdebianusr: say cat /proc/cpuinfo in a console
15:26<agrosu>it would list a paragraph starting with "processor: 0" ...
15:27<agrosu>for each core and or cpu, if you have a multi-socket system
15:28<mrclemmons>what is the best linux os for a old comuter with 64mb of ram and a pin 1 prosesser
15:28<anotherdebianusr>There is processor 0 and 1 but cores says 1. This is n450.
15:28<blowback>Try puppy.
15:29<anotherdebianusr>Tiny core?
15:29<blowback>And also try to invest in more ram.
15:30<agrosu>what "model name" does it say
15:30<agrosu>processor 0 and 1 means you have 2 cores
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15:30<agrosu>or a dual socket system with two mono core cpus (unlikely)
15:31<agrosu>don't worry if you see firefox or other programs gobbing up on only one core
15:31<agrosu>most applications are poorly threaded
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15:32<mrclemmons>what is an easy linux os to install on a old mac with 2 sticks 128 md of ram the blue one
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15:33<kkk>check
15:33<agrosu>old mac meaning a powerpc ?
15:33<mrclemmons>yes
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15:33<agrosu>there are a couple of distors for powerpc arch
15:33<mrclemmons>the blue one with a slot loader
15:33<agrosu>depends on what you what to do with it
15:33<agrosu>web/file server is ok
15:33<blowback>imac g3.
15:34<mrclemmons>yes
15:34<agrosu>but as a desktop not so
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15:34<blowback>Not so hot for running X. Very slow.
15:35<agrosu>uhm
15:35<agrosu>debian has a ppc arch
15:35<agrosu>supporting g3 if i am not mistaken
15:35<mrclemmons>need on with a gui installer
15:36<mrclemmons>not good with text installer
15:36<retrospectacus>you mean want?
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15:36<anotherdebianusr>agrosu: As I wrote befor n450 atom. By any means this is not dual core.
15:36<agrosu>aaaa
15:36<agrosu>atom n450
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15:37<agrosu>well yes
15:37<agrosu>it has one hardware core
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15:37<agrosu>but it has hyperthreading
15:37<agrosu>so it is visible to the os as two virtual cores
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15:38<agrosu>it is ok if you get that kind of usage on an atom
15:38<agrosu>it is an in-orger cpu
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15:39<anotherdebianusr>agrosu: So in reality 100% = 50%. I got a bit lost.
15:39<agrosu>no
15:39<agrosu>100% means it uses a full core
15:39<anotherdebianusr>and over 100%?
15:39<agrosu>it uses more than one core
15:39<agrosu>but that is with 'real' cores
15:39<jhutchins_lt>mrclemmons: You shouldn't have any trouble with a text-based installer, all the GUI does is wrap the text in pretty boxes.
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15:40<agrosu>intel's hyperthreading
15:40<jhutchins_lt>mrclemmons: Not sure what's current for ppc architecture besides Debian, there was YellowDog which was RedHat for ppc.
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15:40<anotherdebianusr>I got to go to kitchen be back in 15.
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15:40<jhutchins_lt>mrclemmons: Puppy Linux, DSL, or Legacy would probably be worth looking at for that old a system.
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15:40<rpetre>i think fedora and ubuntu have ppc ports too
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15:41<agrosu>debian help lists apple ppc G3 as supported
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15:41<rpetre>and gentoo, but you don't want that on an old machine :)
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15:41<agrosu>and it has enough beef to fly the standard graphical installer of sid (?)
15:41<agrosu>it will be sluggish
15:42<agrosu>but it will get you there
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15:43<agrosu>though it is pointless to use a gui
15:43<dougmencken>agrosu: what exactly? ATi Rage 128 [Pro] isn't supported at all; all we have is framebuffer 640x480
15:43<agrosu>and then run the box in cli
15:43<agrosu>so ?
15:43<agrosu>640x480 is enough to fly the installer
15:43<dougmencken>agrosu: so no linux, stuck with os x
15:43<dougmencken>10.2 :)
15:44<agrosu>oh
15:44<amazoph>got an odd problem where getty login doesn't work.
15:44<agrosu>i thought s/he ment
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15:44<agrosu>a server box
15:44<amazoph>ssh and gdm work fine, but getty logins always end with incorrect user/password.
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15:44<agrosu>just for http/ftp
15:44<agrosu>but needed a graphical installer
15:44<rpetre>amazoph: i would bet it's pam related
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15:45<rpetre>getty uses login to log you in, ssh and gdm use their own pam files
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15:46<jafa>hi guys, i am playing around with a sparc machine... netinstall CD isn't detecting the drives. can I get a shell from the netinstall cd?
15:47<amazoph>jafa: you might need to boot it with parameter 'expert'
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15:47<ichdasich>jafa: alt+f2
15:48<jafa>alt+f2 - tried that... guessing my terminal doesn't support passing ALT commands
15:48<ichdasich>jafa: well, terminal.
15:48<jafa>(headless server)
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15:48<dougmencken>agrosu: 640x480 is enough to "fly" ncurses installer, but the latest debians do have... gui one, which fails with black screen
15:48<ichdasich>you can get a shell in the installer...
15:49<ichdasich>jafa: just go back until you get a list of stuff to choose from
15:49<dougmencken>(and there's no vesa-only kernel arg; ppc machines don't have vesa at all)
15:49<agrosu>can't you use 640x480 in the gui ?
15:49<agrosu>ah
15:49<agrosu>right
15:49<agrosu>no vesa
15:49<dougmencken>agrosu: really no, wanna see X.org log?
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15:49<rpetre>agrosu: it is far less usable in 640x480 than in text mode
15:50*dougmencken prays for ncurses installer to be revived! please!
15:50<rpetre>dougmencken: no "nogui" parameter or something in the new d-i?
15:51<rpetre>eek
15:51<dougmencken>and oh! I sand a bug report in early spring 2010... still no single response
15:51<dougmencken>rpetre: nope, none of them works
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15:51<dougmencken>it's primarily due to you *never* test on ppc machines
15:51<rpetre>if it's true, this sucks
15:52<rpetre>i always prefer the ncurses interface to the graphical one
15:52*dougmencken knows that even gcc guys cant reproduce ppc-only (when *host* and *build* is ppc, not *target8)
15:52<dougmencken>rpetre: me too
15:52<dougmencken>and ncurses is no more "complicated"
15:53<agrosu>there is something magical about installing debian with ncurses ...
15:53<dougmencken>but debian guys ditched ncurses installer to prefer graphical x11 one
15:53<agrosu>... and jumping straight into dwarf fortress ! :)
15:53<rpetre>dougmencken: but how would you do serial console installs without the ncurses one?
15:53<jafa>expert mode, shell - worked - thanks!
15:54<rpetre>i think they just swithced defaults, it's not the debian way to jump so easy to the new stuff and abandon the old way
15:54<dougmencken>rpetre: what? I'm not on serial connection, I'm facing the machine, it is alive!
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15:54<rpetre>i mean, the ncurses interface should still be there
15:54<themill>it is
15:55<dougmencken>it must be the default one
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15:55<dougmencken>otherst must be *selected* explicitly
15:55<themill>it was when I looked at the squeeze alpha installer
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15:56<jafa>hmmm... not seeing any drives in /dev other than the cdrom drive
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15:56<jafa>sound be seeing 6 hard drives
15:56<rpetre>dougmencken: i believe the "full" cd has the graphical install by default and netinstalls have the ncurses one
15:56<agrosu>yeah
15:57<rpetre>but it's just the isolinux defaults
15:57<agrosu>i installed squeeze netinstall with ncurses
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15:57<rpetre>come on, d-i supports serial interface and braille displays
15:57<rpetre>:)
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15:57<agrosu>dwarf fortress on braille display ftw!
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15:58<rpetre>what's dwarf fortress? a nethack clone or a colossal cave clone?
15:59<rpetre>ah, nethack-like
16:00<dougmencken>fbzx is the best :)
16:01<dougmencken>speccy was my fist computer back in 80s
16:01<dougmencken>s/fist/first/
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16:01<agrosu>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slaves_to_Armok_II:_Dwarf_Fortress
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16:02<rpetre>i got my spectrum clone in '93
16:02<agrosu>"... a text user interface and incorporated economic and strategy elements. On-screen displays use slightly modified code page 437 characters in 16 different colors implemented as bitmaps, rendered with OpenGL"
16:03<agrosu>how can you not love that
16:03<agrosu>:D
16:04<agrosu>no no no, bad comparison, nethack ? df
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16:05<klmowery783>who
16:06<jafa>btw - does sparc debian support SMP?
16:06<jafa>(noticed netinstall CD is single CPU)
16:06<weasel>install an SMP kernel?
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16:07<jafa>ok, just checking... lots of old info about no SMP support for Sparc Ultra
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16:14<jafa>ram detected ok, cdrom detected ok, network needs firmware (well documented issue)... not finding much about the disk system
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16:19<anotherdebianusr>Good night gentleman.
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17:17<rax>Hi
17:18<rax>I've just patched my kernel source but don't know what to do next without recompile all source...
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17:23<kop>!tell rax about make-kpkg
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17:29<supplicant>my system seems to hang at "kernel direct mapping tables..." after I've replaced a drive in my RAID array
17:29<supplicant>is this expected or normal?
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17:32<retrospectacus>anytime I use RAID, I expect problems; it normally "just doesn't work". This is why I never use RAID.
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17:33<supplicant>retrospectacus: It's hardware RAID, so the operating system shouldn't even be able to see it, no?
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17:33<rpetre>retrospectacus: that's hardly an excuse
17:34<retrospectacus>I don't need an excuse to never use raid
17:34<retrospectacus>!fakeraid
17:34<dpkg>[fakeraid] a term used for controller cards that advertise RAID functionality that is NOT supported by a hardware chip for parity. Most of these have only a BIOS. For use with Debian systems, it is suggested that you do not set a RAID in the BIOS and don't use dmraid, just use regular software RAID instead; ask me about <md>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/SataRaid
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17:35<f8l>rax: The compiler is smart enough to omit already compiled files if they don't need to be recompiled.
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17:36<retrospectacus>fakeraid is worse than true HW raid; I avoid both. Supplicant, yes though, if it is true HW raid the OS should not behave differently. The raid has to rebuild though, somehow, first.
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17:36<Guest1131>hola
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17:37<supplicant>retrospectacus: hrm, ok
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17:37<retrospectacus>supplicant: a lot of hardware that claims to "be" raid is actually fakeraid
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17:40<supplicant>this is a 3ware 9500S-12
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17:40<supplicant>it's real raid
17:40<retrospectacus>then it should rebuild the array in the BIOS thing for the card
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17:41<supplicant>well it says press F8 to finish and when I do it starts booting
17:42<retrospectacus>what raid level?
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17:45<supplicant>10
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18:02<paco>hi chan
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18:03<paco>is there a way to activate group modification for a user without creating new session?
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18:10<cthuluh>exec su -l paco
18:10<paco>this is a login :)
18:10<cthuluh>is that a problem? :)
18:10<cthuluh>I thought newgrp would do the trick, but I can't get it to work
18:11<paco>is not a real problem, i'm actually using su
18:12<paco>but with su X11 application do not see new group policy
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18:13<cthuluh>you need to restart X
18:13<cthuluh>the solution I gave was only shell-based
18:13<paco>yeah ... just what i would like to avoid :)
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18:20<crack>donde puedo hablar en español?
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18:21<rax>in spain
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18:21<crack>in spanish
18:21<cthuluh>!es
18:21<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
18:21<themill>!ubuntu-es crack
18:21<dpkg>crack: Ubuntu esta basado en Debian, pero no es Debian, y dificilmente tendra los estandares de Debian. Solo Debian es soportado en #debian. Por favor conectese a #ubuntu-es en irc.freenode.net Ahi recibira mas soporte.
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18:22<crack>mil gracias
18:22<paco>!it
18:22<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
18:22<paco>hahah
18:23<paco>that's so fun!!
18:23<paco>:)
18:23<user01>does anyone know a good debian package for generating statistical reports like . . . a box and whiskers plot?
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18:23<themill>!r
18:23<dpkg>R is a powerful language based on S, primarily used for statistics. It is well suited for dealing with large sets of numbers in matrices and/or vectors. To install: aptitude install r-base r-recommended r-base-html. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianScience/R http://www.r-project.org/ #r on irc.freenode.net. And it's "are", not "r".
18:24<user01>themill: it generates like svgs or jpegs of plots then?
18:24<themill>user01: ^^ I presume R can do that... I've never tried so myself. Also /msg dpkg plotting
18:25<dondelelcaro>user01: yes, it'll generate pdfs, png, etc.
18:26<themill>user01: jpg would be one of the graphics formats best avoided for plots, btw.
18:26<dondelelcaro>oh; works for me
18:26<dondelelcaro>err, echan
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18:27<user01>themill: ok ill try it . . . thanks
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18:28<dondelelcaro>user01: see http://addictedtor.free.fr/graphiques/RGraphGallery.php?graph=109 et al. for some examples
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18:39<cmn>how can I get an etch cowbuilder chroot?
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18:46<themill>cmn: you can build new chroots with cowbuilder -- you'll need to point it at archive.debian.org though because etch was removed from the mirrors some months ago. /msg dpkg etch sources.list
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18:47<cmn>hdgc: thanks, I'll have to get used to etch being really old now
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18:52<hdgc>anyone know about this error with cheese
18:52<hdgc>libv4l2: error setting pixformat: Dispositivo ó recurso ocupado
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18:52<cmn>is there another application using the webcam?
18:53<bja>Device or resource ocupied
18:53<cmn>lsof /dev/video*
18:53<cmn>should tell you what has it open
18:53<hdgc>not
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18:54<hdgc>is not occuped by other resource
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18:55<user01>mmm anyone know how to extract times from a big log file? grep perhaps? I would want a list of all 24 hour time stamps in the file from 00:00:00 to 23:59:59
18:56<user01>or maybe thats sed or awk
18:56<hdgc>user01: you can use awk
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19:01<bja>user01: unless you hand out your log layout is hard for people to give an accurate recomendation
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19:09<hdgc>libv4l2: error setting pixformat: Device or resource busy
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19:10<hdgc>anyone know about this error with cheese libv4l2: error setting pixformat:
19:11<hdgc>device or resource busy
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19:13<retrospectacus>you ran lsof /dev/video* ?
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19:13<hdgc>yes, but is not uccuped by other application
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19:19<hdgc>retrospectacus: yes, but is not uccuped by other application
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19:30<bst>hdgc: that's a very known bug, view in google
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20:06<dima>hello
20:07<pipe>lo
20:07<supplicant>HELO
20:07<pipe>EHLO
20:07<dbldtx>Hallo.
20:08<dima>greetings in debian
20:08<dbldtx>sk
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20:08<dbldtx>!ask
20:08<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
20:09<pipe>!answer
20:09<dpkg>it has been said that answer is when nobody knows how to solve a problem, and they decide not to bother you with their ignorance; it is not meant as disrespect.
20:09<matmods>hey yall!
20:09<somebody>Hello, is there a way to downgrade a package
20:09<dima>How better sumbit report error?
20:09<themill>dima: use reportbug; /msg dpkg reportbug
20:09<matmods>no somebody, there isnt :/
20:09<themill>dpkg: tell somebody about downgrade
20:09<matmods>I LOVE LINEX!
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20:10<matmods>HEy\\
20:10<matmods>rdt
20:10<matmods>dsg
20:10<matmods>d
20:10<matmods>gf
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20:10<dima>lol
20:10<somebody>bumer.... =(
20:10<somebody>thanks
20:11<dima>Most like linux, coz they already enough hate offtopic
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20:12<dima>I cant trust offtopic
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20:33<kuttumiah>hey, i am new here. how can i may join?
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20:34<pipe>kuttumiah: You just did
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20:34<kuttumiah>oh pipe thanks.
20:34<Guest1146>Hi All
20:35<Guest1146>.Master
20:36<Guest1146>,fwe
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20:36<pipe>Guest1146: what are you doing
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20:37<Guest1146>pipe : how can i change my nick ?
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20:40<mattcen>Hi all. What is the correct way to *list* the packages that require upgrading during an 'aptitude safe-upgrade' or 'aptitude full-upgrade'? Is it just to run the command and then say "No" when asked to actually perform the upgrade, or is there a better way?
20:41<mattcen>(I want to check this for a production system, but don't want to actually start the upgrade until I've thoroughly read through the list of updates)
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20:48<dvs>mattcen: --dry-run
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20:51<mattcen>dvs: Ah I assume you mean --simulate; --dry-run apparently only exists in apt-get, but --simulate exists in both apt-get and aptitude
20:51<mattcen>Thanks
20:52<dvs>np
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20:52<user01>does sed have an "or" function like search for lines containing "this string" or "that string" and print it out
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20:53<mattcen>user01: Sed should support the '(this|that)' syntax (possibily requiring escaping)
20:53<user01>mattcen: ok thanks
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20:57<mattcen>user01: See regex(7) for more information if you haven't used that regex feature before.
20:58<user01>mattcen: i know a little . . . this works fine for me: sed -n 's/.*\([0-9][0-9]:[0-9][0-9]:[0-9][0-9]\).*/\1/p'
20:59<user01>mattcen: but i want it to also print out all lines beginning with "was"
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20:59<user01>mattcen: and i am stuck on that part
21:00<mattcen>Ah, perhaps you can just perform 2 sed operations then: 's/.*\([0-9][0-9]:[0-9][0-9]:[0-9][0-9]\).*/\1/p;/was/p'
21:00<mattcen>(I think that's valid...)
21:00<user01>mattcen: ah ok let me see
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21:01<NOMADICUS>Hello, I am trying to make a bootable usb with multiple os to choose from. In the Debian Live Manual under IV. Other 3.3.4. Using the space left on a USB stick, http://live.debian.net/manual/en/html-single/live-manual.html#id2508330 ; these instructions are written: "FIXME: Describe installing Debian Live to a partition (e.g. /dev/sdc1) AND using a bootloader to boot this.". What does FIXME mean
21:01<pipe>regex is nice, a syntax with built-in compression
21:01<NOMADICUS>I do not understand how to do this.
21:02<mattcen>NOMADICUS: It means the documentation is incomplete, and is a note to anybody able to complete it that they can "FIX IT".
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21:03<user01>mattcen: perfect! just forgot the ^ before was :)
21:03<NOMADICUS>mattcen: Ok, I understand now. Thanks for the clarification.
21:03<user01>mattcen: thanks!
21:03<mattcen>No problems.
21:03<user01>mattcen: oh wait it didnt print out the times . . .
21:04<NOMADICUS>mattcen: Do you happen to havr any experience with this unexplained process, or know od any other potential resources??
21:04<user01>mattcen: it only did the second process :)
21:05<mattcen>user01: You may be better to ask ##sed on Freenode. The only thing I can suggest is trying to re-order it so the 'was' print is first, and see how that behaves.
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21:05<user01>mattcen: nope i got it, typo on my part ;P
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21:05<user01>mattcen: works fine :)
21:07<mattcen>user01: Glad to hear
21:07<user01>mattcen: i just got there to sed :)
21:07<mattcen>NOMADICUS: No I haven't done much with USB bootable Debian installs, sorry.
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21:07<user01>mattcen: wow dont do sed when you are the least bit tired, been working on that for hours now
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21:08<mattcen>Heh. Well I need to get back to work. Bye all.
21:08<user01>bye!
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21:20<user01>mmm does anyone know why scribus detects all my fonts and my word processor doesnt (openoffice or abiword)?
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21:41<cinderstorm>sup
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21:47<dserban_>how do I get dbconfig-common to re-do a password for a webapp? it got it wrong because I had to shuffle from one server to another.
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22:07<carlos>hello
22:07<carlos>hello, please help
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22:09<carlos>I need to install DeVeDe, but this depends on ffmpeg, I have ffmpeg installed but not recognized, I do?
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22:11<zendeavor>purge ffmpeg and reinstall through apt-get
22:11<zendeavor>or just purge ffmpeg
22:11<zendeavor>install DeVeDe with the -f argument
22:11<zendeavor>should fix dependencies and install those too
22:13<carlos>and try reinstalling ffmpeg but still not working
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22:19<carlos>Linux is a command to recognize packages when installing, just do not remember, anyone knows?
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22:21<Eden>ola
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22:25<zendeavor>carlos: paste the output at dpaste.com
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22:26<carlos>which result?
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22:34<EmleyMoor>I am unable to get weather.com working in horde - it used to until my recent problems
22:34<zendeavor>of the installation
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23:29<Golfgeo>Good day all :)
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23:33<Golfgeo>alls quiet on the western front?
23:33<Golfgeo>hmmm... Guess it's just to early haha
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