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02:09<designer>привет
02:09<designer>люди кто нибудь меня слышит?
02:09<jm_>!ru
02:09<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net. or use English here.
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02:25<engine64>hi all, just curious - Aside from Ads how does Facebook get their income? How did the company become worth millions?
02:26<twb>I *thought* wikipedia said some guy in the UAE kept giving them like US$5M a quarter, but I can't find it anymore
02:26<pipe>Its revenue is not directly connected to its worth
02:26<pipe>Its hype and future expectation does
02:27<pipe>And I have a feeling it's very expensive to buy ads on facebook, they have millions of users, and they have extensive profiles on everyone
02:28<pipe>And since they don't cater to technical people, a vast vast majority will not run any adblock..
02:28<pipe>So I think they can get lots and lots of money from ads.
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02:33<twb>pipe: curiously, wikipedia says that facebook has one-eighth the CTR of google, and postulates this is because the users *are* technically competent, at least as far as installing adblocking
02:33<twb>*less than one-eighth
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02:44<_spOOn_>okies, so just building new server, and have just installed slapd via apt, but not /etc/ldap/slapd.conf
02:44<_spOOn_>i notice there is one in /usr/share/slapd/slapd.conf
02:44<_spOOn_>has this config moved in recent builds?
02:45<_spOOn_>sorry, its my first instance of openldap with the new "store config in the database" method
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02:47<_spOOn_>anyone?
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02:53<pipe>_spOOn_: I don't know anything about the software you talk about, but it is possible that there is no "sane" or safe default configuration, meaning that you should copy the example from /usr/share/ to /etc/ and adapt to your own needs.
02:53<cthuluh>I've never used the method you're describing, but "no /etc/ldap/slapd.conf" and "new "store config in the database" method" sounds logical to me
02:54<_spOOn_>hmm me too, just no experience extending schema in new config method
02:54<_spOOn_>no info on wiki either :(
02:55<_spOOn_>pipe, no dont think so
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02:56<_spOOn_>oh wells, will keep reading
02:56<_spOOn_>just thought we might have a ldap guru in here :D
02:57<cthuluh>you should read this http://www.openldap.org/doc/admin24/slapdconf2.html
02:57<cthuluh>and perhaps /join #openldap on freenode.net
02:58<_spOOn_>thanks cthuluh thats the manual im going through now
02:58<_spOOn_>cheers
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03:04<openrebel>if you are acquainted with backports, please have a look at http://wiki.debian.org/Backports/Discussion. thanks
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03:05<pipe>Is there a war going on?
03:05<pipe>Apparently not :(
03:05<openrebel>not that i'd know
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03:19<schichtleiter>good morning - i'm in need for some lvm2 advice :)
03:20<avtobiff>!ask
03:20<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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03:23<schichtleiter>Ok - I have a problem with lvm2. I am running lvm on top of a raid5 with 1 vg and 2 lvs. I added another disk to the raid5 and grew the array, mdadm --detail shows the new array size. however, if i try to lvextend one of my lvs, it tells me that there are no extents available. How to tell the vg to fill up the new free space on the md?
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03:23<schichtleiter>Debian 5.0 btw
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03:25<schichtleiter>i can provide the outputs of vgdisplay and mdadm -detail on pastebin if needed
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03:26<_spOOn_>schichtleiter, have you done pcresize?
03:26<_spOOn_>pvresize even?
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03:27<schichtleiter>ok, pvresize did the trick :) thanks!
03:27<_spOOn_>np
03:27<schichtleiter>that wasnt mentioned in any howto i read :(
03:29<_spOOn_>was in the rhce i think...
03:30<_spOOn_>mentioned in here as well :)
03:30<_spOOn_>http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/index.html
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03:36*EmleyMoor likes to reread that howto occasionally, just to remind himself what lvm can do
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03:41<twb>btrfs is where it's at, man
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03:41<twb>lvm? fing of der parst
03:41<rpetre>i like to keep the layers separated, tyvm
03:42<rpetre>blockdevices underneath, filesystems above
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03:43*rpetre has been known to add losetuped blockdevs as pvs to vgs with no snapshot space and other funky business like this
03:43<twb>IIUC the argument is that btrfs can be smarter about e.g. not bothering to write blocks to the array nodes when they contain data that doesn't belong to any inode and such
03:43<gsimmons>openrebel: The APT bug is not fixed AFAIK, but the lenny-backports release files are no longer double-signed.
03:43<twb>That and the dm layer didn't support write barriers until very recently
03:44<rpetre>twb: indeed, but you lose filesystem independence
03:45<rpetre>and at least until recently, btrfs's main method of error reporting was by kernel oopses, not exactly my cup of tea
03:46<twb>I wasn't seriously recommending it for production
03:46<rpetre>there are kids watching, dude :)
03:46<rpetre>they'd believe anything ;)
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03:47<twb>So-rry
03:47<twb>Anyway, that would be a Learning Experience
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04:44<angel>hi ommen e sfaccimma
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06:14<xeross>For some reason I am having this error with postgresql: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/269382/ how can I fix it?
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06:23<maxery>请教一个问题 安装LFS都需要什么阿 一张livecd还有什么阿
06:24<locklace>that's what she said
06:24<maxery>我指的是软件方面
06:25<blowback>Fries with that, maxery?
06:26<maxery>I‘m sorry i didnt know this is an English speaking channel
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06:27<blowback>Now you do :)
06:27<blowback>The topic kinda suggests as much.
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06:28<maxery>I mean I want to install LFS WHAT need ?
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06:29<maxery>i must be under the help of dictionary
06:29<blowback>maxery: Large File Support?
06:30<blowback>maxery: Worry not, you're intelligible enough.
06:30<maxery>thx u
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06:31<maxery>may be not Large File Support i'm afraid
06:31<maxery> Linux From Scratch
06:32<the-dude>Linux From Scratch?
06:32<maxery>yes
06:32<the-dude>thought so :)
06:32<maxery>a livecd
06:32<maxery>and else?
06:32<blowback>You can burn an iso onto a usb stick.
06:33<blowback>You can grab a network installer and run that either from cd or usb stick, also.
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06:34<maxery>the livecd is about 600mb
06:34<maxery>i cant express clearly
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06:36<maxery>i want to install it in virualbox
06:36<blowback>Easy enough.
06:36<maxery>really ?
06:36<blowback>Just grab an iso, then nominate that iso as your virtual cd image.
06:36<maxery>hope so
06:37<blowback>ie pretend the iso is an actual cd. virtualbox makes that easy.
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06:37<blowback>Are you on Windows?
06:37<maxery>how fast you are typing words
06:37<maxery>no
06:37<maxery>ubuntu
06:38<blowback>Ok.
06:38<blowback>Well, we should refer you to the correct channel.. :)
06:38<blowback>!ubuntu
06:38<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
06:38<maxery>a u bot?dpkg
06:39<blowback>!pie maxery
06:39*dpkg hits maxery in the face with a cream pie
06:39<blowback>He's a bot, yes.
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06:39<maxery>how smart!
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06:40<maxery>thank you blowback
06:40<blowback>you're welcome, maxery
06:40<maxery>you are heartful
06:40<maxery>am I express right?
06:40*blowback smiles.
06:40<blowback>Well, not quite.
06:40<blowback>helpful, full of love?
06:40<blowback>:)
06:41<maxery>:)
06:41<blowback>or perhaps you meant I have a big heart ;)
06:41<maxery>no
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06:41<blowback>to have a big heart means to be full of love :)
06:41<joar>this is getting cheesy, hihi
06:41*blowback laughs.
06:42<blowback>Yes it is.
06:42<petemc>group hug!
06:42<maxery>ardency
06:42<joar>hi hi hi
06:42<blowback>ah, passionate, fervent, maxery.
06:42*blowback laughs at petemc.
06:42<maxery>hehe
06:43<maxery>I must use dictionary
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06:43<blowback>You're not alone!
06:43<maxery>thank u !!
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06:46<maxery>hug is mean put the arms round(sb/sth)tightly,esp to show love. petemc
06:47<locklace>!hug maxery
06:47*dpkg gives maxery a hug
06:47<maxery>dpkg is yours locklace
06:47<dpkg>maxery: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
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06:47<blowback>!confuse maxery
06:47<dpkg>Yes, how was your hamster tomorrow, maxery? Breeches of the Republic of Tibet with extra crabpaste.
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06:48<maxery>very confused!
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06:49<anotherdebianusr>Hi.
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06:56<anotherdebianusr>Strange thing. The networkmanager applet in gnome says I am not connected to any network yet I am typing this message. Any idea where the lack of communication may occure?
06:57<bremner>dbus maybe screwed up? network manager server not running?
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06:58<blowback>anotherdebianusr: you might have more joy with wicd.
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07:00<anotherdebianusr>blowback: I will try that out. Thanks. Your nick, is it the reference to music album>
07:01<blowback>anotherdebianusr: It might be, I leave the interpretation to you :)
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07:04<maxery>!hug maxery
07:04*dpkg gives maxery a hug
07:04<maxery>ah I see
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07:26<NoReflex>hello! anyone know how I could make netcat send CRLF instead of only CR when pressing ENTER at a telnet session? I tried the -T (telnet compatibility) but that does not fix the problem
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07:28<Myon>-C
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07:28<Myon>(netcat-openbsd)
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07:33<NoReflex>Myon, I don't see a similar option in my netcat man page... I'm using gnu netcat
07:33<jm_>that's why he said netcat-openbsd
07:34<NoReflex>I tried sed -e "s/\n/\r\n/" | nc -vv -T but hat didn not work ...
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07:36<jm_>try sed -e 's/$/\r/'
07:36<Myon>there's too many nc packages in Debian
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07:38<NoReflex>jm_, I tried that as well - no go however I managed to create a file with two commands in it, I edited with tweak (hex editor) and added 0x)D after each 0x0A and that worked - can't figure out why sed won't work
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07:41<jm_>NoReflex: so you need \n\r then?
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07:42<NoReflex>sed -e 's/$/\n\r/' | nc -vv -T did not work either
07:45<jm_>no, that won't help - it adds \n on its own
07:46<NoReflex>I'm trying to connect to the cli interface of a speedtouch adsl modem ... using cat myfile | nc .... where myfile had username0x0A 0x0D password 0x0A 0x0D help 0x0A 0x0D worked...
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07:55<derick_>my thinkpad t61 makes high pitch noises in debian. After updating the bios and installing a driver for bluetooth in windows xp, the noise is gone there
07:55<derick_>here is a suggestion http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Problem_with_high_pitch_noises#Limit_ACPI_CPU_power_states
07:56<derick_>"Adding acpi_sleep=s3_bios and pci=bios as boot parameters significantly reduced the pitch noise on a T61."
07:56<derick_>in which file is that?
07:58<blowback>derick_: that'll be your grub line.
07:58<derick_>blowback: hmm, grub2
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07:59<derick_>blowback: you know which file?
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08:01<pipe>grub2 = :(((
08:02<derick_>blowback: /etc/default/grub ?
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08:05<blowback>derick_: sniff around in /etc/grub.d/
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08:13<derick_>pff
08:13<derick_>linux on its best
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08:14<gwimmer>wavelab
08:14<gwimmer>.wavelab
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08:15<blowback>derick_: http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/grub-2.html
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08:20<derick_>Plugging in my USB mouse has completely solved the t61 noise problem for me. :/ ???
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08:21*derick_ always takes his usb mouse with him when traveling with his t61 ... :/ wtf
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08:23<psychedelic74>Всем привет :-)
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08:23<jm_>!ru
08:23<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net. or use English here.
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08:26<psychedelic74>Нужна помощь, кто может помоч ?
08:28<themill>psychedelic74: /server irc.freenode.net ; /join #debian-russian
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08:37<derick_>is the kernel in debian testing compiled with CONFIG_USB_SUSPEND?
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08:37<themill>,kconfig USB_SUSPEND --release squeeze
08:37<judd>Searching for 'USB_SUSPEND' in squeeze kernel config gives USB_SUSPEND=y.
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08:40<pipe>How do you people remember all commands for dpkg?
08:40<pipe>dpkg: how??
08:40<dpkg>pipe: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
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08:40<pipe>dpkg: Oh sorry, it was even judd
08:40<dpkg>pipe: are you smoking crack?
08:41*pipe is not a pipe
08:42<derick_>thanks
08:42<themill>pipe: I'm at an advantage for remembering that one.
08:42<jm_>what does J stand for in judd?
08:42<themill>jm_: nothing... it was just a name that contained "udd" in it.
08:43<jm_>themill: ahh
08:43<locklace>dpkg: qotd267 is <reply><dpkg> pipe: are you smoking crack?
08:43<dpkg>locklace: okay
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08:46<pipe>Also, for the record, my nick is not from the smoking-kind of pipe
08:50<blowback>Lies!
08:51*blowback passes pipe a rock.
08:52<pipe>;(
08:54<blowback>!hug pipe
08:54*dpkg wraps its shiny metal lovin' arms around pipe
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09:23<vovan>khfrytjul;lo
09:23<weasel>you better change that password now
09:23<vovan>what password?
09:23<NOMADICUS>Hello. I have been trying to make a multi boot usb installer with no succes but significant experimental achievement. I used one of these images http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/5.0.6-live/i386/ and wrote it to a usb using dd. It overwrites the entire usb drive. It booted without any problems and was great. The fastest usb boot I have ever seen. But it does not have an installer.
09:24<NOMADICUS>And I want to have multiple os to boot from. So I rewrote the usb with debian-506-i386-DVD-1.iso using unetbootin. It booted into the installer. I started the installer, but it failed because it querry's the dvd. The installer does not check to see what the install medium is. So it fails. Now I am thinking I would like to try and make a small distro that boots and mounts the iso as a drive, th
09:26<NOMADICUS>then startes the installer from the mounted dvd. Will that work, how do I do it?
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09:37<qwd>NOMADICUS: It *should* work, I installed Debian from a usb drive created with Unetbootin.
09:38<daenney>NOMADICUS: what I did was dd an debian install HDD image to the disk-drive and on that same diskdrive also store an installer.iso
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09:38<daenney>the HDD image scans all drives, finds the iso, loads it and you're good to go
09:39<daenney>it feels a bit like doing stuff backwards but it works :)
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10:03<anotherdebianusr>Hi. I've downloaded 'elegan-theme' http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Elegant+Gnome+Pack?content=127826 source and decided to install it using checkinstall. It all went well ('installation successful') till the 'coping files to temporary directory...' which is going for about 15 minutes already. Is this regular behavior of checkinstall?
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10:09<Guest1316>thanks
10:09<Guest1316>Hello
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10:10<anotherdebianusr>Hi.
10:11<Aleric>I have /usr/bin/cmake and /usr/local/bin/cmake. I deleted the latter which was first in my PATH. Now I get:
10:11<Guest1316>I have a Ubuntu-server 10.04 here and i would like to get a xen-kernel for it although support has turned in favour of kvm, is this possible and if so, where can i go for a version 2.6.35-23?
10:11<Aleric>>cmake --version
10:11<Aleric>bash: /usr/local/bin/cmake: No such file or directory
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10:11<Aleric>How can I tell bash to actually look for the file again? :/
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10:14<petemc>Aleric: hash -r
10:14<Aleric>Thanks, I found it 1 second before you typed it :)
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10:17<edbian>My website is the top hit here. Why is it displaying M1, M2, etc. (Those are the names of my menu images) http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy&hl=en&site=&source=hp&q=Ed+Novak&aq=f&aqi=g5&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&pbx=1&fp=908bb84c70e17f05
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10:20<edbian>Nevermind I found it on google.
10:20<edbian>sorry to bother!
10:21<anubis->nelsonfx_, ya tás mejor de salud? :p
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10:22<anotherdebianusr>sh: /usr/share/gnome-menus/update-gnome-menus-cache: not found Any idea how to solve this?
10:22<nelsonfx_>anubis-, mejor q ayer
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10:24<anubis->nelsonfx_, dónde compro ese cargador solar que tienes? ebay?
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10:25<nelsonfx_>anubis-, movilnet
10:25<nelsonfx_>anubis-, solio
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10:27<nelsonfx_>anubis-, http://www.con-cafe.com/index.php/2009/08/solio-el-cargador-solar-movilnet/
10:27<anubis->nelsonfx_, voy
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10:29<anubis->nelsonfx_, este... me dice que no puedo ingresar porque tengo virus en mi debian
10:30<nelsonfx_>anubis-, lol
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10:30<locklace>!es
10:30<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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10:31<nelsonfx_>locklace, its personal talk, nothing debian related
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10:31<nelsonfx_>locklace, anubis- is asking me about a solar charger
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10:32<locklace>so there are two reasons instead of one to do it elsewhere
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10:34<nelsonfx_>locklace, right, because the channel is very busy right now
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10:35<nelsonfx_>locklace, sorry for flooding the channel with personal talk in othe language
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10:57<buffoon>Hi! I'm able to use backlight control with "echo "24" > /sys/class/backlight/acpi_video0/brightness" but i can't use xrandr. I tried to run "xrandr --output DP1 --set BACKLIGHT_CONTROL native" which tells me: X Error of failed request: BadName (named color or font does not exist)
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10:58<buffoon>so I'm unable to use the Fn keys to control the backlight, but if i press them it still shows the current level of the background. any suggestions? (I'm on debian sid, driver is i915 with kms enabled)
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11:22<cahoot>buffoon: xrandr --output LVDS1 --set BACKLIGHT native doesn't give that error
11:22<cahoot>(here)
11:23<mmestnik>Hello, is there an icedove specific channel? I'm having a problem with line wrapping composing text emails. I'd like the lines to autowrap like they would in say jed, the current behavior is like vi.
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11:24<buffoon>cahoot, well, LVDS1 doesn't exist here.
11:25<mmestnik>The intended audience is running mutt.
11:25<chealer>mmestnik: no
11:25<cahoot>buffoon: was more the backlight vs backlight_control I was thinking of
11:25<chealer>mmestnik: there is a Thunderbird channel on the Mozilla network though
11:25<chealer>!icedove
11:25<dpkg>Icedove is a DFSG-free fork of Mozilla Thunderbird, a cross-platform email client, which replaces Thunderbird in Debian from Lenny. Debian is unable to distribute Mozilla Thunderbird as-is due to trademark restrictions, see <DFSG> and <iceweasel>. For help with upstream issues, ask #thunderbird on irc.mozilla.org.
11:26<buffoon>cahoot, ah, didn't see that one... sry
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11:26<buffoon>cahoot, same error (BadName)
11:27<cahoot>buffoon: what options are listed by xrandr --prop?
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11:30<buffoon>cahoot, http://paste.debian.net/92580/
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11:31<cahoot>buffoon: no BACKLIGHT whatsoever
11:35<buffoon>so no possibility to control backlight? Do you have any suggestions to discover why xrandr has no backlight?
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11:38<cahoot>buffoon: just that I noted xrandr --prop listed backlight here (T61 with intel 965)
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11:39<cahoot>buffoon:err - for my LVDS but not for my connected external monitor
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11:40<buffoon>cahoot, well, that sounds realistic because you'll control the backlight of the external monitor directly on the monitor and not in the OS.. But on my laptop (hp 2540p) it seems i can control it with acpi but not xrandr...
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11:41<buffoon>Which makes me confused, because I think it xrandr does nothing more than using the acpi parameters?
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11:44<cahoot>buffoon: could it be a matter of kernelsupport?
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11:45<buffoon>cahoot, maybe... I could try to not use kms. Maybe that's the point
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11:48<buffoon>actually I built a 2.6.36.6 kernel to get support for the backlight control and suspent2ram. I did that using the debian configuration so imo it should have support for backlight control in debian
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11:58<iman>how can i install flashplayer in debian?
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12:04<iman>have i to change my distro for see a flash on net
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12:06<cahoot>!adobe flash
12:06<dpkg>Adobe Flash Player is <non-free>. The easiest way to install it is with the flashplayer-mozilla package from debian-multimedia.org; there is also a flashplugin-nonfree <contrib> package available for squeeze and lenny-backports. Ask me about <dmm> <bdo> <non-free>. WARNING: installing flashplugin-nonfree will NOT automatically keep the plugin updated. See also <flash amd64>. http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer
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12:36<mjt>Hello. I'm trying to log in to a remote lenny box over ssh (from squeeze) and enable X forwarding. ssh -X - $DISPLAY gets set correctly on the remote, but .Xauthority is not created (xauth is installed), and even when I `xauth add' my session key manually xterm still complains "X11 connection rejected because of wrong authentication". What's wrong?
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12:40<mjt>X11Forwarding is yes in sshd_config. But sshd never calls xauth (but sshd stats() xauth, sucessfully)
12:40<cahoot>try without setting DISPLAY?
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12:40<mjt>er what?
12:40<mjt>without setting $DISPLAY no X forwarding can be done
12:40<mjt>because there's nothing to forward
12:40<cahoot>really? I just use ssh -X
12:41<mjt>that's what i do, exactly
12:41<mjt>if i unset DISPLAY before running ssh, it wont work
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12:41<cahoot>why unset?
12:42<mjt>< cahoot> try without setting DISPLAY?
12:42<mjt>$DISPLAY is set, and that's right.
12:42<mjt>$DISPLAY ges passed to remote, that's right too
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12:43<mjt>(on the remote it becomes localhost:10.0)
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12:44<mjt>i don't set it explicitly if you refer to that.
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12:45<cahoot>so if you run ssh -X <server> you get no connection?
12:45<mjt>i can't run any X app on the remote
12:45<mjt>despite the fact $DISPLAY is set correctly
12:46<mjt>the prob is that .Xauthority is not created
12:46<mjt>on the remote
12:46<mjt>and even after creating it manually using xset, it still does not work
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12:46<mjt>er xauth not xset
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12:50<jhutchins_lt>mjt: Sounds like there is something non-standard about the permissions on the remote system.
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12:51<mjt>how to verify if xterm actually uses the xauth cookie and which one?
12:52<mjt>i do:
12:52<mjt> xauth add localhost:10.0 MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 $foobar
12:52<mjt>(where foobar is the cookie from my local system)
12:53<mjt>but xterm still gives the same error message
12:53<mjt>strace confirms xterm's reading .xauthority
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13:21*jhutchins_lt has yet to see a standard, default installation on four different distributions where it doesn't just work out-of-the-box.
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13:22<Antonella>HOla
13:22<jhutchins_lt>I have seen distributions where X forwarding was not enabled by default, but that only required using -X
13:22<Antonella>Hello
13:22<Antonella>SOIS ESPAÑOLES
13:23<jhutchins_lt>!es
13:23<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
13:23<Antonella>ola
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13:24<Nikolaos>Hello! I need help picking the correct disk image to install Debian on my system, if anyone has the time.
13:25<Nikolaos>I tried amd64 (I am running Windows 7, 64 bit), but I was given a message that "Windows XX is not supported".
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13:27<jhutchins_lt>Nikolaos: No clue where you would get that message. Generally the net install image is the most efficient to use. You can use either the amd64 or the i386 versions, either will work.
13:28<Nikolaos>Okay, thank you! I'll give both of them a shot, net install.
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13:29<jhutchins_lt>Nikolaos: 64b can be a little harder to work with multimedia on, like Flash.
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13:30<Nikolaos>I've heard that before... can a 32 bit version of Debian be installed on my system?
13:30<jhutchins_lt>Nikolaos: Yes, it will work fine.
13:30<Nikolaos>Okay, thanks. I have to get back to work now x_x
13:30<jhutchins_lt>Nikolaos: The recommendation has been that you should run 32b unless you know of a specific reason you need 64b, but both work pretty well now.
13:30<jhutchins_lt>!install guide
13:30<dpkg>The Debian Installation Guide for Lenny (5.0.6) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/installmanual . See also <errata> and <installer firmware>.
13:30<mjt>ok, my remote x problem. Added this: http://paste.debian.net/92595/ to my ~/.ssh/rc on the remote machine and now everything works correctly.
13:31<jhutchins_lt>Nikolaos: You will find that helpful.
13:31<Nikolaos>Ah, okay. I have no specific reason for 64b
13:31<Nikolaos>Thanks, bookmarked.
13:31<mjt>the prob was that i _had_ that file (~/.ssh/rc), and sshd does not do any xauth stuff if that file is present.
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13:32<arrtg>hi all!
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13:39<retrospectacus>arrtg: sup
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14:14<teshin>hola soy nuevo en esto
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14:14<teshin>como estan todos?
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14:15<jordanm>!es
14:15<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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14:16<teshin>#debian-es
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14:18<teshin>tengo problemas con debian, instale el debian 5.0 kde y cuando le hice configuraciiones en pantalla y escritorio, al reiniciarla me salio todo bien feo.
14:18<teshin>totalmente desconfigurada
14:18<teshin>alguien podria ayudarme?
14:18<locklace>!es teshin
14:18<dpkg>teshin: Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat
14:19<teshin>no sabe español?? yo tampoco se ingles....
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14:21<teshin>hello, i have problem with debian 5.0 kde in the settings for desk, because i cant put settings.
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15:03<__diego>hi, I would like to save the output of a command to an html file (and get the colors :D)
15:03<__diego>know any program ?
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15:05<jordanm>you would need the command to output the raw ansi and then try to convert html
15:05<jordanm>not sure about raw ansi
15:06<blowback>gedit plugin?
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15:07<tweber>__diego, http://www.andre-simon.de/doku/ansifilter/ansifilter.html
15:07<tweber>I've never used it, though.
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15:08<bremner>fwiw, andre writes decent code (I use highlight, his other project, quite a lot)
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15:12<__diego>thx, will try
15:12<__diego>Im compiling it
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15:25<cesurasean>how do i check to see if curl is installed on my server?
15:25<cesurasean>and/or how do i install this?
15:25<retrospectacus>try running it? dpkg -l|grep curl
15:25<jordanm>cesurasean: apt-cache policy curl
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15:26<jordanm>!tell cesurasean about reference
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15:28<cesurasean>i seem to have php5-curl installed. do i also need curl, too?
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15:29<themill>cesurasean: only you can know the answer to that
15:29<retrospectacus>depends what you need to do
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15:29<cesurasean>trying to develop a facebook application, which apparently need curl
15:29<retrospectacus>probably just php5-curl then
15:30<retrospectacus>!tias
15:30<dpkg>TIAS is "Try It And See".
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16:03<ges>Hey, I'm having issues with my alsa sound. I dual boot Windows and Debian. This is my first time back in Debian in quite some time, but I've had similar issues before. The issues seem to arise when I plug in headphones. Usually sound just stops working all together. However, this time sound is working fine in Firefox, but it won't work for any other application. My default sound card is correct, but aplay is complaining it is u
16:03<ges>nable to open slave. I should also add that this is an Intel card. Any suggestions? Thanks.
16:04<ges>Nevermind... it just started working.
16:04<amphi>flash has grabbed /dev/dsp I expect
16:04<ges>Aha! It worked when I closed Firefox, you're right.
16:04<ges>Any way to prevent flash from being stupi-- err from being flash?
16:05<blowback>ges: Noscript or Flashblock if you're on Iceweasel.
16:05<amphi>removing oss-compatibility modules may help
16:06<amphi>then there'll be no /dev/dsp ;)
16:06<cthuluh>stopping using flash would help to
16:06<cthuluh>too*
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16:06<ges>Any other negative side-effects to that, amphi?
16:07<amphi>things that only work with oss, rather than alsa, will no longer work
16:07<ges>Cthuluh: I use flash alot and the alternatives I've seen aren't up to par imo. I'm banking on HTML5 though.
16:07<ges>hmm
16:07*amphi doesn't have flash installed
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16:08<amphi>ges: you can try modprobe -r snd_pcm_oss & friends; if anything breaks, you can modprobe 'em again
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16:08<ges>Whelp while playing an mp3 I opened firefox and played music via a flash player
16:08<ges>aplay worked fine
16:08<ges>so I guess I just can't start flash as my first sound app on boot?
16:08<ges>playlist.com is the site in question btw
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16:10<blowback>ges: maybe switch to shoutcast.com :)
16:10<ges>Ah disregard that, I gotta run. Thanks for the speedy response, guys. I really appreciate it.
16:10<ges>I'll look into that, Blowback
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16:20<zach23>We are running a debian lenny server and a few minutes ago, it just came to a halt. We could ping it but could not ssh into it and every thing halted on it (apache, nfs, etc). We had the data center people reboot it and it came up fine. In kern.log and dmesg, it shows nothing about why it halted like it did. Could it have been NFS which brought the server down like that?
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16:24<jhutchins>zach23: It sounds like it may have gotten into some kind of process loop which overloaded the system, used up all the CPU.
16:24<jhutchins>zach23: It's possible it was NFS, but the problem is that logging gets overloaded too.
16:24<zach23>perhaps nfs
16:24<locklace>zach23: it could have been cosmic rays
16:24<jhutchins>zach23: If you could have run a tcpdump on the traffic at the time, you might have a clue what it was.
16:25<zach23>nfs is odd..i love it but it does weird things like this
16:25<locklace>on the other hand, all other things being equal, it's not entirely unfair to attribute any problem you happen to have in life to nfs
16:26<zach23>lol
16:26<zach23>well i'll keep an eye on it
16:27<zach23>thank you
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16:30<behael1>If you doubt nfs, do a cgroup and lock him up, limit cpu bandwidth, i/o and memory and give him just 10% ~ 30% of one cpu or cpu core.
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16:37<zach23>okay thank you...i think perhaps a firewall in place caused it to stop being unmounted if it tried again and hung things up - i have to open those ports
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17:00*judd looks at judd_ and judd__ and scratches his head
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17:01<retrospectacus>,kernels
17:01<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.36-rc5-686 (2.6.36~rc5-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-23); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-23); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-23~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-25lenny1); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2)
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17:02<omc>hello,hola
17:02<retrospectacus>hello
17:02<Gindek>hello
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17:03<omc>how are you?
17:03<themill>!es-social omc
17:03<dpkg>omc: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
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17:06<blackxored>recommendations on a good time tracker????
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17:08<bja>hello
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17:09<Guest1374>me llamo bja
17:09<Guest1374>mi name is bja
17:09<retrospectacus>Guest1374: hello, how can we help you? bja is reserved.
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17:09<retrospectacus>!en
17:09<dpkg>The language of #debian is English. We will do our best to help you regardless of your level of English but you might be more comfortable asking for help in your own language. Ask me about your language code for more information, for example /msg dpkg br ; /msg dpkg pt ; /msg dpkg es ; /msg dpkg fr ; /msg dpkg de
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17:10<Guest1374>capullo
17:11<Guest1374>dsgdf
17:11<Guest1374>df
17:11<Guest1374>gfd
17:11<Guest1374>ff
17:11<Guest1374>df
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17:14<behael1>O_o
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17:44<retrospectacus>what would be the disadvantages of using amd64 on a desktop/workstation
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17:46<mjr>You might have more trouble with proprietary software, if you call that a disadvantage.
17:46<bremner>probably more memory use by applications
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17:46<bremner>of course more possible memory use too
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17:47<mjr>true, at least a bit more memory use
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17:47<retrospectacus>thanks friends, anything else?
17:48<bremner>not that I have experiences in the last few years
17:48<mjr>at this point the platform is fairly mature so not really
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17:48<mjr>of course, there will be the occasional amd64-spesific bug like the local root hole zombie...
17:49<retrospectacus>sounds frienly enough
17:49<bremner>there is actually one or two pieces of free software that don't work in amd64
17:49<bremner>they tend to be things like programming languages
17:50<bremner>you can always use a chroot to run those, but it is slightly inconvenient
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17:50<bremner>offhand, I can only think of one example in debian, mozart-oz
17:50<blarson>In iceweasel, when it starts putting things in invisable font and/or leaving the screen in whatever was there before, is there any cure but restarting it? Sometimes it will come back to sanity, but once it happens it tends to happen again.
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17:52*gravity needs to spend more time with oz. It seems neat.
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17:54<DTE>hi all
17:54<retrospectacus>thank you!
17:54<DTE>guys, i need some explaination about DMA32
17:55<DTE>I'm checking for a strange on a server, and somebody pointed me to the /proc/buddyinfo
17:55<DTE>*strange problem
17:55<DTE>I saw that there (in buddyinfo) there's a voice for DMA32 and I wasn't able to find some niformation
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18:59<themill>!qotd0
18:59<dpkg>< cOLDrIPPA> ok, i had logged into Debian correct and typed the user and pass now it is in like dos mode for windows anyone help
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19:00<muzer>lol
19:00<muzer>poor guy :(
19:00<blowback>haha
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19:01<jpinx-eeepc>I hope someone told him to startx ?
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19:02<blowback>They probably couldn't, disabled as they were by laughter.
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19:08<bzed>!qotd0
19:08<dpkg><stoned> if i had big titties, I wouldn't be on irc | <stoned> i'd be playing with myself
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19:09<behael>!qotd267
19:09<dpkg><dpkg> pipe: are you smoking crack?
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19:10<dpkg><open> when I turn on the microwave, my laptop loses its wifi, and then the wireless network connection thing tries to reconnect... but it often can't <themill> open: get microwave that doesn't leak quite so badly? <open> themill, do you think it's bad for me health-wise, btw?
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19:11<behael>heh
19:11<retrospectacus>a friend of mine had his wireless disconnect every time the toilet flushed :s
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19:12<Penguinboy>an
19:13<eddy>hii
19:13<Penguinboy>I just installed my wireless driver.
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19:13<eddy>Penguinboy hi
19:14<Penguinboy>What are you doing?
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20:17<lili>Hey,guys.I got a problem..I use pppoe to connect to network,But it`s quite slow
20:18<lili>slow than normal,and /etc/resolv.conf is always changing back to 10.0.0.1
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20:19<lili>even i set it to normal DNS SERVER
20:20<lili>I don`t know why is so slow..It`s open a web page occationaly..........
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20:21<lili>MTU is 1492 for ppp0,1500 for eth0
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20:22<slowflaks>Hi! i need from help! i'm was installed debian 5 but i don't get install openssh-server apt-get install openssh-server packet not found... i need change my sourcelist?
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20:24<slowflaks>please!!
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20:25<lili>slowflaks yes ,find an avaiable sourcelist site and then apt-get update and then apt-get install openssh-server
20:26<slowflaks>lili: but i was try 3 source.list and it don't work, do you know an source.list that work?
20:27<krazykit>you should only need the main repository
20:27<krazykit>perhaps you could pastebin your current sources.list?
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20:29<slowflaks>ok
20:29<slowflaks>wait
20:33<slowflaks>http://pastebin.com/QP1UxnVs
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20:34<krazykit>there's your problem right there. you don't have a main repository
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20:34<krazykit>pick a nearby mirror and add that to your sources.list: http://www.debian.org/mirror/list
20:36<krazykit>an example would be "deb http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ lenny main"
20:36<jpinx-eeepc>use apt-spy
20:36<krazykit>you can add contrib and non-free if you want those, too
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20:39<slowflaks>krazykit: sorry but i don't understand it.. my country is Brazil.. but in the link that you give me have only ftp
20:40<slowflaks>Brazil ftp.br.debian.org/debian/
20:40<krazykit>so add "deb http://ftp.br.debian.org/debian/ lenny main" to your sources.list
20:40<jpinx-eeepc>slowflaks: use apt-spy
20:41<slowflaks>command not found
20:41<krazykit>http://pastebin.com/DvjQVHk7 for example
20:43<slowflaks>krazykit: it work's! thx!
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20:45<lili>How to speedup my pppoe connection. it`s quite slow,and can`t find the web address frequently...
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20:52<lili>.quit
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20:54<slowflaks>hey more one question.. i have 2 user root and bruno how can i make to bruno use the command sudo su - ?
20:54<slowflaks>sudoers ? vim /etc/sudoers ? don't have this.
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20:56<edhunter>why do you want bruno to use sudo su -? why not just su and become root?
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20:57<slowflaks>edhunter: because i need that get root with password of bruno
20:58<edhunter>well then you might as well change the root password to be the same as the one from bruno..
20:59<slowflaks>but i don't wanna that root and bruno have the same password
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20:59<edhunter>sorry i dont see the point. if bruno can become full root with his password then whats the problem if both passwords are the same?
20:59<krazykit>if you have sudo installed you should have /etc/sudoers
21:00<Impulse>is there a command to read files like README.Debian.gz without unziping them
21:00<krazykit>Impulse, zless
21:00<edhunter>and yes install sudo and use sudoedit to edit the sudoers file. dont edit directly with vim
21:00<Impulse>thanks
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21:15<Impulse>is make-ssl-cert depricated?
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21:21<Impulse>is it a bug if /usr/share/doc/apache2.2-common/README.Debian.gz refers to a package tha tdoesn't exist in lenny refers to a package that doesn't exit?
21:21<Impulse>is it a bug if /usr/share/doc/apache2.2-common/README.Debian.gz refers to a package tha tdoesn't exist in lenny refers to a package that doesn't exist?
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21:25<lilpod>if ubuntu is debian based then why is it's main channel on freenode?
21:26<krazykit`>ask them
21:26<blowback>I don't see the connection.
21:26<blowback>Distros are free to choose any network.
21:27<edhunter>lilpod: probably because its (loosely) based on debian but not debian
21:28<blowback>debian itself also has a channel on freenode..
21:29<blowback>And freenode, by all accounts, has more popular appeal, just like Ubuntu.
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21:45<dserban_>I'd like to look at a different backup system than backup-manager, it's unwieldy and sometimes useless. Prior to using backup-manager I used hand-rolled scripts to dump sql, compress, and rsync to the destination backup server (along with the whole filesystem)... what package would you recommend that I look at to move to (sql dump, compression, rotation and differential options are cool)... using aptitude to give me a clue is... some
21:46<blowback>rsync, perhaps.
21:46<blowback>Ah, you mentioned that already. Nevermind.
21:47<dserban_>aye, what does everyone else use? rync is nice, but I'd like a complete "package" to handle it, I mean, no big deal on the flip side. I'm just wondering if there's something better out there.
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21:53<bl0wback>dserban_: Seems like a pretty comprehensive solution, in any event (bacula).
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21:55<RoManTiQue>hi how r u doing ?
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21:56<RoManTiQue>I have question anybody active on here ?
21:56<blowback>Just ask, RoManTiQue.
21:56<vikas>hello sir plz tell me how to install fonts
21:56<blowback>No guarantee you'll get an answer, but still.
21:56<RoManTiQue>I have a very basic knowledge in knoppix but I want to remaster knoppix create my own distro based on knoppix
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21:57<RoManTiQue>how can I get started ?
21:57<blowback>Have you attempted a google search?
21:57<vikas>yes
21:57<RoManTiQue>yes even tried books but nothing shows u a script or like a dvd or anything
21:58<dserban_>blowback: thanks, that does look feature complete.
21:58<blowback>I'd suggest you haven't looked hard enough. There are 1001 sites out there detailing how to install fonts in Debian.
21:58<vikas>i installed fonts but they are not working
21:58<blowback>dserban_: you're welcome.
21:58<blowback>vikas: Did you rebuild your fontcache?
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21:59<vikas>yes i run fc-cache -fv
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21:59<blowback>Where did you install fonts to?
22:00<vikas>in /usr/share/fonts/trutype/tty
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22:02<vikas>can i install firefox in debian
22:03<blowback>http://wiki.debian.org/Fonts
22:03<blowback>vikas: You have Iceweasel. Use that.
22:03<blowback>It _is_ Firefox in all but name.
22:04<vikas>ok but some fonts are working in iceweasel but not all
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22:04<blowback>Installing Firefox won't change that.
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22:06<vikas>but all fonts are working i ubuntu fedora
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22:07<vikas>i could'nt read some websites matter in debian
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22:08<vikas>and they are worked perfect in other distributions
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22:20<vikas>plz help
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22:22<tamentis>vikas: have you restarted iceweasel?
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22:24<vikas>yes
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22:37<cokacola>dal.net
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22:38<blowback>About 5 letters too many in that nick..
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22:58<twb>My Debian server has a new "Solos" ATM card. Is there a more appropriate channel than this one to discuss configuring it, e.g. telling it to use Annex M?
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23:00<twb>An easier one: I'm using ppp to speak PPPoA over the card. I have an /etc/ppp/peers/foo and a "foo" entry in /etc/ppp/chap-secrets, but I'm getting "No CHAP secret found for authenticating us to vezb-exhibition" during pon(8).
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23:01<twb>Does the third field in chap-secrets need to match what the *ppp server* calls itself?
23:02<twb>Aha, it does. Problem solved.
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23:30<roberto>hola a todos
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23:30<jpinx-eeepc>roberto: en ingles por favor
23:31<cesurasean>Can someone help me getting postgresql up and loaded with php? I'm getting this error: Fatal error: Call to undefined function pg_connect() in
23:31<roberto>pense que era un chat en español
23:31<roberto>sorry
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