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---Logopened Fri Oct 01 00:00:18 2010
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01:34<vikas>i install some fonts in debian to view text of some website but not working
01:34<vikas>plz help
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01:38<vikas>plz help
01:38<vikas>i install some fonts in debian to view text of some website but not working
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01:50<vikas>i install some fonts in debian to view text of some website but not working
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01:54<twb>Plonk
01:55<twb>!tell vikas about smart questions
01:55<vikas>i install some fonts in debian to view text of some website but not working
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01:58<pipe>vikas: If you ask one more time, maybe I'll help you!
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01:59<vikas>plz
01:59<pipe>plz
01:59<vikas>help
01:59<pipe>Impossible
01:59<vikas>why
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02:00<pipe>Because you don't know how to ask smart questions
02:00<jpinx-eeepc>!not working
02:00<dpkg>Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>.
02:02<vikas>i did copy in /usr/share/fonts/truetype/tty and run fc-cache -fv .but not work
02:03<twb>TTF fonts go in ~/.fonts/
02:03<pipe>See how much difference it makes if you actually explain your problem :)
02:04<vikas>thanks
02:04<vikas>thanks pipe
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02:07<vikas>but where is ~/.fonts/
02:08<_spOOn_>/home/username/.fonts/
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02:08<_spOOn_>its a hidden dir
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02:08<_spOOn_>ls -la
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02:10<vikas>ok in ~/.fosts/ fonts are allready installed
02:11<darthanubis>when does unstable get gnome 2.32?
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02:12<twb>darthanubis: after squeeze is released, most likely
02:12<twb>Now that it's in freeze, big changes are deferred or placed in experimental
02:12<darthanubis>thx
02:13<vikas>when debian 6 realease
02:13<twb>!tell vikas about wir
02:14<vikas>wir ?
02:14<vikas>ok in ~/.fosts/ fonts are allready installed
02:15<vikas>twb ok in ~/.fosts/ fonts are allready installed
02:15<twb>vikas: that's not what I said
02:16<vikas>but stil i couldn't see some text in a website
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02:19<vikas>i did copy in /usr/share/fonts/truetype/tty and run fc-cache -fv .but not work
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02:41<vikas>i did copy in /usr/share/fonts/truetype/tty and run fc-cache -fv .but not work
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04:24<tweber>Is there a way to get and decrypt a message from a mailing list archive like http://lists.fosdem.org/pipermail/dist2010/2010-February/000176.html
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04:37<jm_>tweber: that is not encrypted
04:38<tweber>Yes, probably 'just' compressed by gpg. But I'm unable to just copy it into a file and let gpg give me the message.
04:40<jm_>no, it's just base64 encoded ...
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04:44<twb>tweber: curl http://lists.fosdem.org/pipermail/dist2010/2010-February/000176.html | sed -e 1,/beginarticle/d -e s/^.PRE.// | base64 -d
04:45<twb>I'd use XSLT but I'm a little drunk
04:47<tweber>lala, I'm an idiot ;)
04:47<tweber>Thanks guys
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05:15<mitology>hello
05:15<d0cA>hi, my debian install seems to be really broken since i've upgraded to squeeze (about a month ago)
05:15<d0cA>but i just don't know how to identify where the problem is
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05:16<mitology>hello
05:16<d0cA>i am running awesome window manager on an apple macbook pro using an amd64 kernel
05:16<d0cA>and X just seems to hang really frequently, such that i either can't use the keyboard, can't use the mouse, or can't use either
05:17<mitology>my lingue is italy
05:17<d0cA>i had originally the nouveau driver, then i changed to nvidia, but it hasn't got any better
05:17<mitology>my lingue it's italy
05:17<d0cA>does anyone have any ideas about how i can locate where the problem might be, and file an appropriate bug?
05:17<mitology>no
05:18<mitology>io sono italiano
05:19<ompaul>d0cA: look in your .xsession-errors your syslog and places like that see if anything jumps out at you
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05:19<mitology>hello
05:20<jm_>other things to do is to check if computer is accessible remotely when that happens
05:20<mitology>io sono italiano ma non sò l'inglese a parte poche cose mi potete aiutare?
05:21<ompaul>d0cA: as jm_ says
05:21<jm_>!it
05:21<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
05:21<twb>I can *almost* grok that
05:21<d0cA>jm_: so you mean if i can access via ssh at those times?
05:21<mitology>ok tanke
05:21<jm_>d0cA: for example, or at least ping it
05:22<d0cA>hmm... ok, i will see if i can figure that out
05:22<d0cA>i mean, i will need to set up another computer
05:22<d0cA>there do seem to be lots of errors in .xsession-errors tho, so that was a helpful pointer
05:23<ompaul>d0cA: just for fun if you use an external mouse or keyboard .... just unplug them and plug them in, I have seen this but never been able to localise it on x86
05:23<d0cA>although i'm not sure they're related, as i'm now doing a 'tail -f .xsession-errors' and it's not picking anything up in the hangs
05:23<d0cA>ompaul: yeah, i've already tried that, it doesn't make a difference
05:24<ompaul>d0cA: if the box hangs then you are interested in the contents of that file
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05:24*d0cA trundles off to find another computer to check external access...
05:24<ompaul>d0cA: log in at a terminal after the box gets rebooted if that is what you have to do :)
05:27<CNerone>Hi all, I have to run an old linux program asking for libstdc++.so.3 lib, I found no deb for it. What about? How can solve my problem?
05:27<CNerone>Thanks in advance
05:28<jm_>CNerone: it can be found in old releases
05:29<CNerone>jm_, where? how? are they still online?
05:32<jm_>!tell CNerone -about archive
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05:32<mitology>goodbye!!!!!!
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05:33<CNerone>Thank you jm_
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05:35<jm_>CNerone: woody release, so very very old
05:35<EmleyMoor>I have a USB harld disk stuck mounted and I can't identify what's sticking it. Can someone please advise? Nothing relevant in lsof
05:36<pipe>fuser might help
05:36<twb>And lsof
05:36<twb>Or just umount -f
05:36<pipe>"Nothing relevant in lsof"
05:36<twb>sorry, I missed that
05:37<pipe>or just "sync" and then rip it out :P
05:38<EmleyMoor>fuser -c mountpoint - nothing
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05:39<pipe>Od
05:39<pipe>.. I'd like to see some FAQ about that
05:39<pipe>I mean, how can such things happen? They do happen often enough
05:39<EmleyMoor>umount -f won't work
05:40<CNerone>jm_, ok jm_. I have still a problem: I use AMD64 platform... woody din't support it. Ok... I try to install i386 one
05:40<pipe>Woody? Funky.
05:40<pipe>My first debian install.
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05:44<jm_>CNerone: right, good luck with that ;)
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05:45<prem>by default debian wont create admin group..?
05:45<jm_>probably easiest to grab i386 deb and stick the lib in /usr/local/lib or whatever
05:46<prem>i was forced to create it manually for samba configuration
05:46<prem>why is it so
05:48<CNerone>ciao
05:48<ompaul>prem: if you feel it is a bug please feel free to report it as such.
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05:48<ompaul>prem: having checked for other similar reports first ;-)
05:50<prem>ompaul, ok but which package is supposed to do this..i remember there was admin group created default in previous debian releases
05:51<ompaul>prem: would you agree that it is only wanted by samba, adm looks after most debian needs
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05:53<prem>ompaul, I was stuck with samba configuration for this issue..I am not aware of other configuration needs
05:54<ompaul>in that case I would point it at samba
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05:55<ompaul>prem: in sid we see this behaviour: Adding group `sambashare' (GID 127) ...
05:56*ompaul removes samba :)
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06:00<prem>ompaul, am in lenny.,anyways if this behaviour is changed in later versions.,fine then
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06:00<ompaul>prem: ack
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06:02<d0cA>well, i was unable to get another computer set up
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06:02<d0cA>but all the errors in my .xsession-errors file were related to monkeysphere and firefox (iceweasel)
06:02<d0cA>i've stopped iceweasel and since then, there've been no problems
06:03<d0cA>i will carry on for a while like this
06:03<d0cA>and if it remains good, i shall try to remove monkeysphere and restart iceweasel
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06:09<d0cA>ok, i spoke too soon!
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07:18<no>Hello
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07:18<cthuluh>no
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07:21<d0cA>are there other places it's worth looking for log records about X errors other than .xsession-errors and under /var/log ?
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07:22<d0cA>or, can i increase verbosity in .xsession-errors ?
07:22<ompaul>can you access the box remotely with it is down?
07:22<cthuluh>d0cA: look in /var/log/Xorg.0.log
07:22<ompaul>woops enoparse
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07:22<d0cA>i haven't been able to set up another box to access with, ompaul
07:22<ompaul>can you access the box remotely when it is appearing to be down?
07:23<no>Do you obey install Ubuntu Netbook Edition
07:23<no>On my Desktop
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07:23<d0cA>and it only hangs for a couple of seconds - enough to be very irritating, but probably not enough to cause problems from another box (but i can't be certain about that)
07:24<ompaul>so it is like a huge load for a moment?
07:24<d0cA>yeah, perhaps
07:24<f8l>no: Go to #ubuntu.
07:25<f8l>Sounds like "go to hell". ;-P
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07:26<d0cA>f8l: that did sound funny!
07:26<d0cA>ompaul: i will try and get another box set up over the weekend, when i have more time (i'm meant to be working today!)
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07:26<no>Is Ubuntu Netbook Edition works on Desktop
07:27<ompaul>d0cA: so you could be running "jnettop" which is not a java application, and watch your bandwidth get swallowed ... this has helped me in the past
07:27<d0cA>ompaul: ok, thanks, i will look at that
07:27<ompaul>no: irc.freenode.org #ubuntu not here #debian!=#ubuntu
07:27<f8l>no: I mean, probably yes, but ask on #ubuntu instead.
07:29<no>Thank you
07:29<ompaul>no: that should read irc.freenode.net #ubuntu
07:29<ompaul>d0cA: top running can be a curse and a blessing
07:30<d0cA>indeed!
07:30<ompaul>d0cA: if you get both of those programs running in screen session and can log in remotely
07:30<ompaul>or better yet be logged in remotely
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08:13<lasagne>anyone experience on debian-unstable 5.0.6 and GDM3 (autologin)????
08:13<jm_>5.0.6 is not unstable
08:14<lasagne>thats right! netinstall stable & distupgrade to squeeze & dist-upgrade to unstable
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08:17<lasagne>so far forget about dists: i would like to setup autologin for gdm3 and i can't find something that helps!!!!
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08:43<lasagne>has anyone experience with gdm3 eventually polkit??? (autologin)
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08:46<tom4golf>lasagne: yes
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08:52<pipe>What is this whichcraft. Connecting to cdimage.debian.org|130.239.18.173|:80... failed: Connection refused.
08:54<locklace>!connection refused
08:54<dpkg>When a TCP connection (e.g. telnet somehost 80) gives the error "connection refused", it means that either the service in question is not running on the specified IP address at all (e.g. apache has died), or that a firewall has rejected your SYN packet and sent back a rejection packet to you. It's a VERY CLEAR, EXPLICIT error message and ALWAYS means one of those two things.
08:54<pipe>Oh really
08:54<pipe>Maybe it wasn't the actual meaning of the word "refused" that was strange in that line.
08:54<pipe>But that it was cdimage.debian.org that refused me.
08:55<locklace>works for me. redirects to http://www.debian.org/CD/
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08:56<weasel>looks like one of the servers behind cdimage is down/broken
08:56<pipe>Don't know why I was redirected to something that didn't work, I had to enter a local mirror
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08:57<locklace>yeah, .173 is down but .163 is up
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08:58<pipe>I got timeouts on .163
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08:58<pipe>Maybe it's overloaded if one of them is down
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09:03<weasel>> .173 should hopefully be back in ~5 minutes, .163 seems to have recovered nicely by now
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09:45<pankaj>hello
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10:05<iman>i have debian , and download flash player for linux 64 bit, and i want to know how can i install it because it only has a lib file with perfix .so -> libflashplayer.
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10:12<Securityexploitexe>hi
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10:13<Securityexploitexe>ehm... your all on BT?
10:13<crack>j/ archlinux-es
10:13<Securityexploitexe>couse i need some help >_>
10:14<crack>j/ #archlinux-es
10:15<avtobiff>crack, try /j archlinux-es
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10:19<Securityexploitexe>need help
10:20<Securityexploitexe>what is the channel for "backtrack4 final" ?
10:20<weasel>how's that relevant to debian?
10:20<Securityexploitexe>eeh, no idea >_> new... so i have no clue on what im doing
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10:35*maxery hello everybady
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11:12<Kamenow>hello everybody
11:12<Kamenow>:)
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11:19*EmleyMoor is getting no sound
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11:21<jordanm>!tell EmleyMoor about alsa checklist
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11:26<EmleyMoor>jordanm: Still nothing
11:26<jordanm>EmleyMoor: what is the pciid for the device? (lspci -nn)
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11:27<EmleyMoor>1002:439d
11:27<EmleyMoor>Er, 1002:4383
11:28<jordanm>,pciid 1002:4383
11:28<judd>[1002:4383] is 'SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA)' from 'ATI Technologies Inc' with kernel modules 'ati-agp', 'snd-hda-intel' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1002:4383 and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module.
11:28<jordanm>hda intel is pretty standard, should be no issues
11:28<jordanm>EmleyMoor: what version of debian?
11:28<EmleyMoor>lenny
11:28<jordanm>try `alsaconf` as root
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11:30<EmleyMoor>It keeps doing this and I can't remember why
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11:32<EmleyMoor>Looks like it's back
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12:02<qwerty>hi everyone
12:03<qwerty>Please, help me to solve a problem. My audio sound is so quit I can't even listen normally movies
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12:04<qwd>qwerty: open alsamixer in terminal and see if turning something up helps
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12:05<qwerty>qwd: ty
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12:16<ynava>do any of u know how to get root privileges on another profile
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12:29<mikee>Hi all, I'm doing my first install that involves RAID. Goal is to run three SATA drives as RAID-5, which is supported by my motherboard. I have a few questions I'd like to bounce off someone. Anybody interested?
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12:30<jordanm>motherboard raid is known as fakeraid, and not recommended
12:30<EmleyMoor>mikee: Bounce away - but I've never used fakeraid
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12:31<retrospectacus>!fakeraid
12:31<dpkg>[fakeraid] a term used for controller cards that advertise RAID functionality that is NOT supported by a hardware chip for parity. Most of these have only a BIOS. For use with Debian systems, it is suggested that you do not set a RAID in the BIOS and don't use dmraid, just use regular software RAID instead; ask me about <md>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/SataRaid
12:31<mikee>I've heard a bit about "fake raid" - but am not sure it really applies here. This is a new Asus mother board running i3 and it says it truly supports RAID 0, 5, 10
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12:31*EmleyMoor has software RAID 6
12:32<jordanm>mikee: yep, thats fakeraid. avoid at all costs
12:32*retrospectacus avoids all raid at all costs
12:32<kop>mikee: You're better off with software raid, imo, unless you've another controller handy that's compatible with your hardware for when your controller dies. Otherwise your data all goes away.
12:32<mikee>Okay, good to know
12:33<kop>mikee: (And that's with real hardware raid. Good for enterprises, not so good for everybody else.)
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12:33<mikee>so, basically - I should pop back into my BIOS and setup the SATA drives as plain SATA - *not* RAID. Then proceed with install
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12:33<mikee>once I do that, and get back to the debian installer
12:33<mikee>I'll be looking at three SATA disks
12:33<EmleyMoor>There's a term for "hot pluggable" - you may well want to aim for that
12:33<kop>mikee: Sounds right to me. I'm not a real raid expert. (hot pluggable is cool)
12:34<EmleyMoor>mikee: The installer is good at helping set up RAID (and LVM)
12:34<mikee>I'll read the wiki.debian.org article that dpkg refers to above and ask again if I need anything
12:34<mikee>thanks all
12:34<EmleyMoor>Be warned, /boot needs to be RAID1
12:34<kop>mikee: The install maual is good too.
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12:35<EmleyMoor>You can have partitions used for different levels of RAID on the same disks
12:35*EmleyMoor now wants to find out if there's any good way to do RAID on a Windows box
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12:37<Brian_R>EmleyMoor, as that's OT for this channel, PM me?
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12:37<EmleyMoor>OK, will do
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12:38<wh_>Hi, am I in the right place to ask a question about networking?
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12:39<jordanm>wh_: depends. if you are trying to configure networking in debian, yes. if not, you want #networking on irc.freenode.net
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12:40<wh_>jordanm: sort of. I'm trying to troubleshoot a networking problem (packets coming from somewhere on localhost but I don't know where) on ubuntu, which is a derivative of debian.
12:41<blowback>wh_: wireshark and #ubuntu on freenode.
12:41<blowback>!ubuntu
12:41<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
12:41<jordanm>wh_: derivatives are not supported here
12:42<blowback>(we know what Ubuntu is)
12:42<wh_>blowback: tried ubuntu on freenode but to no avail. sorry, didn't mean to patronise.
12:42<retrospectacus>wh_: wireshark
12:42<wh_>jordanm: okay, thanks. I'll try networing on freenode
12:42<blowback>wh_: wireshark is your man, and again, we don't support Ubuntu here.
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12:43<blowback>Sorry :/
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12:43<wh_>retrospectacus, blowback: thanks :)
12:43<pipe>what's this ubuntu people talk about
12:43<blowback>iptraf also useful.
12:44*blowback confiscates pipe's crack pipe.
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12:45<retrospectacus>pipe: a company called Canonical decided to try and take advantage of the freedom of Debian by repackaging it as Ubuntu with some added features and selling support
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12:46<pipe>retrospectacus: Did they succeed?
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12:46<bremner>ask them
12:46<bremner>I think it is a reasonable discussion, but for #debian-offtopic
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12:48<cesurasean>Can someone tell me how to fix this issue I'm having? - Fatal error: Call to undefined function pg_connect() in /home/seanbrady/public_html/facebook/deleted.php on line 14
12:48<retrospectacus>check the stock market, ubuntu is popular anyways. but yeah
12:48<pipe>Hm.. does anyone know if there's any bugs regarding installation of Lenny amd64 in kvm?
12:48<retrospectacus>cesurasean: you need to install php5-postgres
12:48<retrospectacus>or whatever is the php extension that provides that function
12:48<EmleyMoor>pipe: Not as far as I know - did i386 version in kvm once OK
12:49<pipe>EmleyMoor: I don't even know why I asked that, I'm running 3-4 lennys in kvm on another machine
12:49<EmleyMoor>Have installed squeeze amd64 an kvm too
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12:50<retrospectacus>cesurasean: apt-get install php5-pgsql
12:50<retrospectacus>or php4-pgsql if you are using php4
12:50<Titan8990>,versions php4
12:50<judd>Package php4 on i386 -- etch: 6:4.4.4-8+etch6; etch-security: 6:4.4.4-8+etch6
12:50<Titan8990>I hope not...
12:50<retrospectacus>;)
12:51<pipe>Hm, wonder if it's got something to do with not having a "real" network connection, only a virtual one with no routing to the world wide web
12:51<kop>Titan8990: You can feel sorry for him regardless. He's using php.
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12:51<cesurasean>retrospectacus, thank you, good sir.
12:52<cesurasean>eh, http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=default§ion=all&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=php5-postgres
12:52<cesurasean>show no packages?
12:52<retrospectacus>it's php5-pgsql
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12:53<cesurasean>found it
12:53<cesurasean>thanks
12:53<retrospectacus>no problem, it's free ;)
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12:55<lelamal>hi all! I've recently switched to Debian testing +KDE from Kubuntu, but I don't know how to retrieve my mail contacts from my home backup - can anyone help please?
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12:56<EmleyMoor>lelamal: What program were they in?
12:56<lelamal>kmail
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12:56<EmleyMoor>Ah - don't know that one...
12:56<lelamal>EmleyMoor: :) thanks anyway
12:56<Titan8990>quick google search shows file -> import messages
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12:57<lelamal>Titan8990: I've successfully imported my emails with that option, my problem is with contacts
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12:58<Titan8990>ah
12:58<Titan8990>lelamal, #kde on irc.freenode.net might be more helpful
12:58<lelamal>Titan8990: oh, alright, I'll try that, thanks!
12:59<retrospectacus>lelamal: check ~/.kde/share/apps/kmail
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13:01<retrospectacus>and ~/.kde/share/apps/kabc
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13:07<lelamal>retrospectacus: the first location contains the emal messages, that's where I pointed Kmail to retrieve my old correspondence
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13:07<austin_>yeah! php http proxy works
13:08<lelamal>retrospectacus: the 2nd location contains a file called std.vcf and 7 files called std.vcf_1 (with progressive numbers), all of which are 0B
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13:08<austin_>got xchat using an http proxy i made in php i bet now i can do https
13:09<austin_>the connect header is working ^_^
13:09<lelamal>retrospectacus: as far as I understood during my searches, the 2nd location used to contain the address books, but now akonadi handles all of it, and I can't understand it anymore
13:09<austin_>can someone confirm please that my messages are going through
13:09<leshak>hi! i need from help with certifies, i have an file server.key and server.crt how can i put this certified on my server to get HTTPS on my website?
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13:10<austin_>lets see the /join command went through, i havent seen any errors about the privmsg so...my messages should be going through
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13:11*austin_ looks around...
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13:11<austin_>ah its privmsg #channel :action and then the action for /me...cool
13:12<austin_>oh well im sure its going through...i just wish i coulda heard some confirmation
13:12<retrospectacus>lelamal: well try searching your old ~ for akonadi?
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13:14<leshak>hi! i need from help with certifies, i have an file server.key and server.crt how can i put this certified on my server to get HTTPS on my website?
13:14<lelamal>retrospectacus: done that, it's in .local/share/akonadi, but it contains mysql files, nothing I know how to handle
13:15<kop>leshak: See the README.Debian file in /usr/share/doc/apache* And see the apache config file entries that say where apache gets it's key files. (I forget and have to read the config files for where the key goes.)
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13:16<kop>leshak: It's fairly obvious. you could probably grep -R for "server.key"or "server.crt" in the configs and find the right lines.
13:16<cesurasean>Can someone help me with this? For some reason ethernet is not working. - Configuring network interfaces....SIOCSINETMASK: Invalid argument Failed to bring up Eth1. done.
13:16<kop>leshak: Don't forget to restart the daemon.
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13:17<EmleyMoor>cesurasean: pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces
13:17<virtualuser>hi
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13:17<cesurasean>How am I going to pastebin if I have no ethernet?
13:18<virtualuser>exists flashplayer in debian ?
13:18<supplicant>virtualuser: yes
13:18<EmleyMoor>Can you get the file to the computer you are using now?
13:18<kop>!tell virtualuser about flash
13:18<jhutchins_lt>cesurasean: sneakernet! Which release are you running?
13:19<lelamal>retrospectacus: being ignorant at, I renamed new /akonadi, and copied/pasted the old one in my new folder. Well, it didn't work, plus I found a text message with a WARNING (sic!) telling me not to copy files in the folders, for akonadi would have handled them
13:19<cesurasean>Squeeze
13:19<cesurasean>My /etc/network/interfaces file has no changed since last time this worked fine?
13:20<retrospectacus>lelamal: weird. is there a frontend for akonadi? perhaps you can import thru there
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13:21<EmleyMoor>cesurasean: Hmmm... that's perhaps a little more strange... anything odd in dmesg?
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13:22<kop>cesurasean: z25 might have something to do with it.
13:22<kop>!z25
13:22<dpkg>udev has the ability to statically rename Ethernet cards based on MAC address since version 0.090. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules (Lenny, Squeeze) or /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules (Etch). If you want the mappings to change, edit the respective file. To apply changes: "udevadm trigger" ("udevtrigger" on Etch) or reload the relevant driver module. See also <forcedeth mac>, <udev>.
13:23<cesurasean>here is part of my interfaces file : http://pastebin.com/qe3WmaEa
13:23<cesurasean>z25?
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13:23<jhutchins_lt>cesurasean: Wow, people on both oftc and freenode #debian with the same problem: wifi managers in squeeze don't work.
13:23<retrospectacus>that is not a netmask
13:23<cesurasean>what is not a netmask?
13:23<retrospectacus>cesurasean: should be 255.255.0.0 looks like
13:23<kop>jhutchins_lt: I didn't know the eth names were wireless I thought wireless was always wi or some such.
13:24<EmleyMoor>172.31.255.255 isn't
13:24<retrospectacus>err I dunno
13:24<jhutchins_lt>kop: Depends on the card/driver.
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13:24<jhutchins_lt>!netmask
13:24<dpkg>hmm... netmask is the number of bits in an IP address that are the same, and a neat little program that enables one to calculate ranges, netmask pairs, CIDR lists, Cisco lists, addresses in hex, octal, binary, etc. from a address specification. see http://technical.vnnic.net.vn/tools/calc_netmask.htm
13:25<cesurasean>how do i restart network from command line?
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13:25<retrospectacus>cesurasean: /etc/init.d/networking restart
13:25<Titan8990>ifdown <interface>; ifup <interface>
13:25<Titan8990>retrospectacus, that does nothing in squeeze
13:25<cesurasean>unknown host yahoo.com, although i was able to restart fine with no errors?
13:26<retrospectacus>ifupdown will break your connection if you are logged in with ssh
13:26<lelamal>retrospectacus: yes, the akonadi configuration, but when I click both on Default Address Book and Personal Contacts, it opens a dialog to point it to the right location
13:26<retrospectacus>Titan8990: why not?
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13:27<Titan8990>retrospectacus, I will dig up the bug report for you
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13:27<cesurasean>ok, working now. :)
13:27<cesurasean>thanks guys
13:27<virtualuser>thanks kop
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13:28<virtualuser>interesting option with ! tell ..............
13:28<retrospectacus>lelamal: I would ask #kde about this, I'm just throwing rocks in the dark
13:29<lelamal>retrospectacus: :) did that! alright, thanks anyway!
13:29<retrospectacus>Titan8990: how would I reconfigure networking on my server over ssh?
13:30<Titan8990>retrospectacus, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=565187
13:30<Titan8990>retrospectacus, ifup/ifdown, like I said a mina go
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13:32<retrospectacus>wouldn't the terminal lock up?
13:32<Titan8990>you would need to reconnect regardless
13:32<retrospectacus>no.. I do it all the time
13:33<mAniAk->goddamn samba is slow
13:33<Titan8990>what changes are you making that keeps the TCP sessions alive through bring the interface down and back up?
13:34<mAniAk->30KB/s to a virtual machine
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13:35<retrospectacus>Titan8990: my server has several IPs, I edit interfaces to change which one appears on outgoing packets (simply move the IP to the top (primary stanza)) and restart networking
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13:36<austin_>hmm handshake for https isnt quite working
13:37<austin_>weird...
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13:53<thejocker>ciaoooooooo
13:53<thejocker>!list
13:53<dpkg>thejocker: VATTENE VIA!
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14:07<ottoshmidt_>For how long will squeeze be frozen more?
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14:07<amphi>for ever
14:07<locklace>!wwsr
14:07<dpkg>Squeeze is now frozen and will release <WIR>, <SIYH>. See http://lists.debian.org/20100806134418.GC9183@halon.org.uk and http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100806 . Ask me about <squeeze bet>.
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14:14<ottoshmidt_>but those articles don't say when it will be released
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14:15<ottoshmidt_>let me join #debian-release
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14:16<jhutchins_lt>ottoshmidt_: It will be released when enough of the release-critical bugs are fixed to meet the quality standard. There is no set date.
14:16<ottoshmidt_>aha
14:16<ottoshmidt_>i see
14:16<Titan8990>that means if you solve some RC bugs yourself, that will help speed things along :)
14:17<ottoshmidt_>Titan8990, i wish i was apt to
14:17<ottoshmidt_>:)
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14:18<ottoshmidt_>But on the other hand i am not interested in stable releases much :D as long as I always use testing
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14:19<ottoshmidt_>mostly testing, rarely unstable
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14:19<a7x>testing rules !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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14:19<a7x>sorry
14:20<ottoshmidt_>and is there known a codename for new unstable version?
14:21<ottoshmidt_>as long as sid is going to become a testing onw
14:21<ottoshmidt_>one
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14:21<virtualuser>hi,
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14:21<virtualuser>how can I enable desktop efects as in ubuntu ?
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14:22<jhutchins_lt>ottoshmidt_: hang on a sec
14:22<gravity>ottoshmidt_: sid is always testing. It's never released. The new testing will become wheezy.
14:22<gravity>er... sid is always unstable.
14:22<ottoshmidt_>ok i see
14:22<Torsten_W>virtualuser, here is #debian, not #ubuntu
14:23<virtualuser>I know
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14:23<jhutchins_lt>as in
14:23<virtualuser>what installs ubuntu for desktop efects ?
14:23<bremner>I think he wants his new debian to behave like his old ubuntu
14:23<ottoshmidt_>virtualuser, join #compiz
14:23<Torsten_W>oh, i misread
14:23<virtualuser>thanks
14:23<virtualuser>so compiz is the ansewer
14:23<virtualuser>answer
14:23<ottoshmidt_>virtualuser, actually install compiz and ccsm
14:24<ottoshmidt_>but those guys will guide you
14:24<virtualuser>thanks
14:24<ottoshmidt_>ccsm is to set preferences
14:24<jhutchins_lt>ottoshmidt_: Sorry, phone.
14:24<ottoshmidt_>jhujhiti, no probs
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14:24<ottoshmidt_>i got the answer from gravity
14:25<jhutchins_lt>ottoshmidt_: Unlike other distros that release on a regular schedule, Debian releases when the set of packages frozen for release has eliminated enough bugs to be considered stable.
14:25<jhutchins_lt>ottoshmidt_: Scheduled releases have led other distros to release some very badly broken software - this is one of the reasons Mandriva has failed.
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14:26<ottoshmidt_>virtualuser, ccsm is an abbreviation for compizconfig settings manager
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14:26<jhutchins_lt>ottoshmidt_: Sid is always the "gatway" where new packages are first tested. If they meet the criteria, they can be moved into testing until testing is frozen.
14:26<ottoshmidt_>jhujhiti, yeah i noticed that drawback when i was using ubuntu
14:27<jhutchins_lt>ottoshmidt_: Once the bugs are fixed and testing is released as stable, a new snapshot of sid will become testing and start the process of working out more bugs.
14:27<jhutchins_lt>Meanwhile, stable still gets patches, bugfixes, and backports.
14:27<kop>ottoshmidt_: See http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ and wait for the green line to go to 0.
14:28<ottoshmidt_>i have always wonders about the number of debian pkg maintainers.. huge number is needed for such a distro i guess
14:28<jhutchins_lt>kop: That's a useful URL for these explanations.
14:30<ottoshmidt_>hmm, kop, you wanna say some 1.5 k bugs to be fixed yet?
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14:30<jhutchins_lt>kop: Do you know if current release bugs are assumed to be fixed in the new release or are assumed to be present?
14:31<ottoshmidt_>hmm well if we consider over 20K packages in the repo.. might be that's not an unusual number
14:31<gravity>ottoshmidt_: The green line. That's 359 bugs.
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14:32<gravity>There's a lot of RC bugs, but most of them don't apply to testing right now for one reason or another.
14:32<ottoshmidt_>clear now
14:33<kop>jhutchins_lt: Dunno. That's an interesting question. I'd guess they are against the package, and so carry forward. It may not matter that much because we're talking release critical bugs, which are big-ish.
14:33<gravity>jhutchins_lt: They're tracked by package version, so nothing needs to be assumed.
14:33<cesurasean> php5-pgsql depends on php5-common (= 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny9); however:
14:33<cesurasean> Version of php5-common on system is 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny6.
14:34<cesurasean>which version of php5-pgsql is going to work with my system?
14:34<gravity>I know I had RC bugs open for several releases against my packages and they carried over perfectly because, as kop says, they're against the package.
14:34<leshak>hey! someone know what's this? http://pastebin.com/B0gf85Dk
14:34<kop>cesurasean: Have you done an aptitude update; aptitude upgrade lately?
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14:35<cesurasean>kop, I'm using lenny PHP files on a squeeze server. That seems to be the issue...
14:35<cesurasean>I don't use aptitude update
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14:36<jhutchins_lt>,kernels
14:36<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.36-rc5-686 (2.6.36~rc5-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-24); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-23); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-23~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-25lenny1); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2)
14:36<cesurasean>Is there anyway of upgrading php5-common without breaking my system? Or is there a way to find an older version of pgsql that will work?
14:36<jhutchins_lt>Yay! Intel graphics fix made it into sid!
14:36<leshak>hey! someone know what's this? http://pastebin.com/B0gf85Dk
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14:38<jhutchins_lt>leshak: What release are you on?
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14:39<leshak>jhutchins_lt: OpenSSL 0.9.8g 19 Oct 2007 O_o
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14:40<Titan8990>leshak, I believe he wanted to know what release of debian
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14:40<ompaul>leshak: lsb_release -a < might be useful
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14:42<jhutchins_lt>,versions openssl
14:42<judd>Package openssl on i386 -- etch: 0.9.8c-4etch9; etch-security: 0.9.8c-4etch9; lenny: 0.9.8g-15+lenny8; lenny-security: 0.9.8g-15+lenny8; sid: 0.9.8o-2; squeeze: 0.9.8o-2
14:42<leshak>i'm using lenny
14:42<jhutchins_lt>So you are.
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14:43<jhutchins_lt>Check dpkg -l openssl and see if you have the current security release of openssl.
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14:44<leshak>ii openssl 0.9.8g-15+lenny7 Secure Socket Layer (SSL) binary and related cryptographic tools
14:45<Titan8990>looks like you are security revision behind
14:45<leshak>how can i update this to work's
14:45<leshak>?
14:46<Titan8990>aptitude update; aptitude upgrade
14:46<leshak>wihout cause problems on my certified
14:47<jhutchins_lt>leshak: Shouldn't.
14:47<leshak>Titan8990: but, if i use apt-get upgrade i'll upgrade all packets on my server.. and i want update just this.
14:47<jhutchins_lt>leshak: aptitude install openssl
14:47<jhutchins_lt>leshak: aptitude safe-upgrade is pretty safe.
14:48<jhutchins_lt>leshak: Also a good idea if there are security updates.
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14:48<Titan8990>leshak, why wouldn't you want the security updates for all your packages?
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14:56<leshak>Guys, i'm updating my SO.
14:56<leshak>:)
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15:04<retrospectacus>!congratulate leshak
15:04<dpkg>Hugs & Puppies leshak, you did it!
15:06-!-mode/#debian [+l 440] by debhelper
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15:10<leshak>guys! ii openssl 0.9.8g-15+lenny8 Secure Socket Layer (SSL) binary and related cryptographic tools but yet problems with try access my webpage
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15:10<jhutchins_lt>leshak: Ok, but we've eliminated that as a potential problem.
15:10<jhutchins_lt>leshak: Did you update the server or the client?
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15:12<leshak>jhutchines_lt: i make this commands, apt-get update apt-get upgrade apt-get dist-upgrade
15:13<leshak>jhutchins_lt: i make this commands, apt-get update apt-get upgrade apt-get dist-upgrade
15:14<Titan8990>!tell leshak about why aptitude
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15:15<rage>hi
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15:18<jhutchins_lt>leshak: Yes, what I'm asking is did you update the webserver or did you update the computer you are accessing it from?
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15:20<leshak>jhutchins_lt: this is an website example: https://mypage.com show me certified errors
15:22<jhutchins_lt>leshak: I understand that you are getting errors. What we need to do is determine where the errors are actually happening so that we can discover what's causing them.
15:24<jhutchins_lt>leshak: Ok, well, I'm out of time anyway.
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15:25<leshak>jhutchins_lt: understand, so when i try access my page on chrome this browser show me an https:// RED on my URL so i click this and the browser show me details about my digital certified SSL, that are http://pastebin.com/B0gf85Dk and my errors.log on apache says nothing about errors.
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15:53<jfisch>when i plug in my dvd recorder its recognized by CD/DVD recorder but then when i try to write to disk it says it can't be accessed. can anyone help? tried searching online but could not find solution. the device is not mounted.
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15:54<Iain>I've just installed the nvidia drivers on my lenny laptop, and although the screen resolution is 1900x1200, the fonts/icons/windows are really big - I can't find anywhere to change them
15:54<Titan8990>!dpi
15:54<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, dpi is your Dots Per Inch setting, which affects the size of your fonts. Remove any explicit DPI settings in /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc or your display manager's configuration file, and X should autodetect your DPI. If not, add DisplaySize Width_in_milimeters Height_in_millimeters to Section "Monitor" in /etc/X11/xorg.conf. http://scanline.ca/dpi/
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16:01<Iain>Titan8990, I didn't have this problem prior to upgrading in etch.. the reported DPI by the nvidia driver seems reasonable (330 mil wide etc)
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16:01<Titan8990>Iain, did you upgrade from etch->lenny?
16:01<Iain>No, I reinstalled
16:02<Titan8990>reinstalled etch?
16:02<Iain>I upgraded my life, and reinstalled the laptop, and installed lenny
16:03<Titan8990>I see. probably not your problem, but are you sure that shouldn't be 1920x1200?
16:03<Iain>Yes, my bad - 1920x1200.. all autodetected by the nvidia driver
16:04<Iain>147x145dpi (331x210mm)
16:04<jhutchins_lt>jfisch: You may not be a member of the cdrom group.
16:05<jhutchins_lt>jfisch: You can run the groups command on a console to see.
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16:06<Iain>Titan8990, it really does look like the default fonts that gnome is using (even gdm) are way big
16:06<jfisch>jhutchins_it: I'll give it a try
16:07<Iain>Titan8990, if i run xterm, the font insside the little black window are nice and small, but the title bar fonts are really big
16:07<Iain>and a gnome-terminal is over twice the width of the xterm
16:08<Titan8990>Iain, really not sure... think this would be a good one for the mailing list. I recommend including screenshots
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16:08<Iain>OK, thanks Titan8990
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16:18<jfisch>jhutchins_it: well still get the same response, when it try to write to DVD it says it can't be accessed
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16:30<jhutchins_lt>jfisch: Still what. What did you change?
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16:35<jfisch>jhutchins_lt: still get message: error writing to disc: The recorder could not be accessed. As root, I added supplemental group 'cdrom' to user 'jfisch'.
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16:36<dougmencken>may I ask (to ask for to ask :)? why do debian guys use Iceweasel instead of GNU Icecat?
16:37<jhutchins_lt>jfisch: And did you the log out as jfisch then log back in?
16:37<jhutchins_lt>!why iceweasel
16:37<dpkg>Due to Mozilla logos licensing, Mozilla software isn't DFSG-free, so Debian distributes Mozilla software with different logos. One day Mozilla Corporation decided to revoke the agreement to let Debian use Mozilla trademarks, so Debian changed to non-trademarked product names. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_in_Debian for more information. http://glandium.org/blog/?p=933. Ask me about <dfsg>.
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16:37<dougmencken>dpkg: but GNu Iceact is much more free!
16:37<dpkg>dougmencken: I think you lost me on that one
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16:38<dougmencken>dpkg: what?
16:38<dpkg>This!
16:38<dougmencken>dpkg: good nite
16:38<dpkg>dougmencken: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
16:38*dougmencken ignores "dpkg" guy
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16:38<themill>dougmencken: people have talked about using icecat instead but no-one has volunteered to do so. Have you? /msg dpkg icecat
16:38<themill>dougmencken: dpkg is a bot...
16:38<blowback>!lart dougmencken
16:38*dpkg steals dougmencken's mojo
16:39<dougmencken>h*ll
16:39<dougmencken>themill: currently one me supports gnu icecat
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16:40<dougmencken>and I just wonder why
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16:46<dougmencken>themill: what I need to do to at least to "advertise" gnu icecat for debian guys?
16:47<blowback>dougmencken: Waste of time.
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16:50<bremner>dougmencken: you can file a "request for package" bug using reportbug, and explain why you think it is better
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16:52<bremner>although, you should probably start by deciding if the package you want to replace meets the Debian Free Software Guidelines; if it does, then as blowback says, you probably won't get much enthusiasm
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16:53<dougmencken>bremner: it of course does meet any free software requr-ts
16:53<bremner>it = ?
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16:58<dougmencken>icecat
16:58<bremner>dougmencken: maybe my statement was unclear. if iceweasel is free according to the dfsg, then there is not much incentive to replace it from the debian project point of view
16:58<bremner>and of course it means work for some volunteer
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17:00<dougmencken>bremner: I'm ready; where to start from?
17:01<bremner>dougmencken: you first have to convince people that icecat should be in the archive. There are two parts to that. First, file the bug, and articulate why, second outline what you are willing to do to help.
17:02<bremner>note that, "it's freer according to the FSF" is not the slam-dunk argument you might think
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17:07<dougmencken>bremner: which people shall I try to convince? which bug to report if theres no bug at all?
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17:07<dougmencken>bremner: icecat removes any non-free stuff from mozilla, not just the logo, so it is much more free
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17:09<kop>dougmencken: There' something in the bug reporting system you can file a bug against when you want a new package, but I forget what it is....
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17:11<bremner>reportbug wnpp
17:12<bremner>dougmencken: the point I tried to make before, is that in this context, you need to define "Non-Free" with respect to the DFSG
17:12<dougmencken>bremner: okay, current mozilla tarball does contain .exe files
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17:12<bremner>well, you can do what you like, but you will find debian listens better if you talk its language.
17:13<dougmencken>its language? okay, "files suffixed with .exe and which are Window$ PEFs"
17:14<dougmencken>s/PEF/PE/
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17:14<dougmencken>more than that, Mozilla does use code from Google chrome(ium)
17:15<dougmencken>since 3.6.5
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17:16<dougmencken>if you don't care about so called "freedom", firefox guys decide to drop powerpc support at all, only x86 and arm (coz chromium and v8 support only x86 and arm)
17:17<dougmencken>debain is the best caus it supports a lot of platforms, how can you use just-logo-changed-derivative from browser which drops support for 90% of debain's archs?
17:19<bremner>dougmencken: you seem to be misinformed. experimental has 3.6.10 for most arches
17:19<dougmencken>bremner: what do you use for non-x86 arches? --disable-ipc
17:20<bremner>dougmencken: I have no idea. I'm not in any sense expert on iceweasel
17:20<dougmencken>but you know, that in 4.0+ ipc will be "very important part for the browser", so
17:21<dougmencken>btw, ipc has been made only to let users to avoid proprieatry plug-ins (like adobe® flash®™ player™) to crash the whole browser
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17:21<bremner>dougmencken: this channel is not the audience you need to convince. I don't think I have anything more to add to this conversation.
17:22<dougmencken>okay then
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17:25<marok>Hey! I've unsucessfully been looking for some kind of extension to gvim making it possible to managed gui based applications within the program, for instance, looking at a pdf. Is there such an extension or program that allows this? //thanks
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17:43<retrospectacus>marok: why are you looking for this strange thing? There are plenty of pdf viewers.
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17:44<retrospectacus>I'm not too familiar with gvim, I just use vim, or gedit
17:44<jhutchins_lt>Really, if you want your editor to BE your operating environment, emacs is much more complete.
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17:44<marok>retrospectacus: I would like to be able to controll all my work from something alike the vim prompt
17:45<marok>jhutchins_lt: can emacs handle pdf and modern web gui?
17:46<jhutchins_lt>marok: I'm sure it can. emacs can be used to reverse vasectomies.
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17:48<marok>jhutchins_lt: well I'll check into it then!
17:48<marok>does anyone have any tips on gui extension for emacs that I shold look at?
17:49<kop>marok: If you can't aptititude search emacs it then check the emacs wiki (I don't recall the url.)
17:50<retrospectacus>marok: emacs is a very mature and extensive editing environment, almost an OS in itself. You'll find plenty of docs online
17:51<marok>ok, I guess I underestiated the power of this editor, thanks guys
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17:56<ddaygold>i'm using apt, how do i find repos to add/
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17:56<ddaygold>i have the security repos, how do i find everything else?
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17:57<retrospectacus>!sources
17:57<dpkg>The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian lenny main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <lenny security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
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17:57<retrospectacus>ddaygold: ask dpkg about mirrors and that other stuff
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18:01<ddaygold>@retrospectacus how do i do that?
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18:02<retrospectacus>type /msg dpkg mirrors
18:02<jhutchins_lt>ddaygold: /msg dpkg <whatever>
18:02<jhutchins_lt>ddaygold: What in particular are you looking for?
18:02<ddaygold>i want to install htop
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18:02<jhutchins_lt>,versions htop
18:02<judd>Package htop on i386 -- etch: 0.6.3-1; lenny: 0.7-1; sid: 0.8.3-1; squeeze: 0.8.3-1
18:03<jhutchins_lt>ddaygold: Should be in the main repo.
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18:03<ddaygold>yeah, but all i have is:
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18:03<ddaygold>deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main
18:03<ddaygold>deb-src http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main
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18:05<ddaygold>jhutchins_lt: what do you have in your sources.list
18:06<vizor>,version php5
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18:07<bst>ddaygold: try deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian squeeze main contrib non-free
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18:08<ddaygold>thanks
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18:11<pankaj>hello
18:13<ddaygold>thanks bst, it worked
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18:26<retrospectacus>,pciid 8086:2485
18:26<judd>[8086:2485] is '82801CA/CAM AC'97 Audio Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel module 'snd-intel8x0' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:2485 http://wiki.debian.org/slmodem and the out-of-tree 'snd-intel8x0' module.
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18:44<kyrm>hi, all, I have a problem with nfs not mounting on boot. I've "googled" and see that others have the issue, but no real solution that I found.
18:44<kyrm>When I issue a mount -a after the computer is up, things work
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18:45<weasel>I've seen that a number of times
18:45<weasel>usually I just work around that and use autofs
18:45<kyrm>And it was working before when I had /etc/network/interfaces as dhcp. When I changed it to static, it no longer mounts on boot
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18:46<weasel>do you have allow-hotplug eth0, or auto eth0?
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18:46<kyrm>yes.
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18:46<kyrm>auto eth0
18:46<kyrm>iface eth0 inet static
18:46<kyrm> address 172.16.128.136
18:46<kyrm> netmask 255.255.255.0
18:46<kyrm> broadcast 172.16.128.255
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18:47<weasel>do you have _netdev in your fstab?
18:47<kyrm>oops, I though about 5 lines was ok.
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18:47<kyrm>no,
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18:47<kyrm>where would _netdev be?
18:48<weasel>weasel@paganini:~$ grep nfs /etc/fstab
18:48<weasel>192.168.2.5:/srv/ftp.debian.org/ftp /srv/ftp.debian.org/ftp nfs ro,addr=192.168.2.5,udp,_netdev 0 0
18:48<weasel>as an option for your nfs line
18:48<weasel>that helps often, tho not always
18:48<kyrm>172.16.128.135:/var/snd /var/snd nfs rw,hard,intr 0 0
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18:50<kyrm>I'll be back after I reboot to see if that helps....
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18:50*kyrm rebooting
18:50*weasel might be asleep by then
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18:52<kyrm>weasel, thanks, In fstab I took out a blank line and added _netdev to the options and now it mounted.
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18:52<weasel>lucky you
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18:53<kyrm>weasel, I appreciate your help! have a good weekend.
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19:12<mroe>I'm trying to locate a .deb for meetbot. I guess since it is just a plugin for supybot a tar should do as well. Any hints? I know Debian uses it for their meetings
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19:40<dreddy>How cna I pass options to x-window-manager ?
19:41<dreddy>other than using .xinitrc to invoke the window manager
19:42<blowback>dreddy: try devilspie or wmctrl.
19:42<blowback>Assuming I understood your q right.
19:42<dreddy>hmm.. not quite
19:42<blowback>Ah, maybe I didn't.
19:42<dreddy>SO i want to use i3 as my wm
19:43<blowback>You're talking about invoking the window manager.
19:43<dreddy>and i am using the nvidia binary blob
19:43<dreddy>yes
19:43<blowback>What's wrong with /xinitrc?
19:43<dreddy>i don't get the ssh-agent benefits
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19:44<dreddy>maybe i should just use /usr/bin/ssh-agent /usr/bin/dbus-launch --exit-with-session x-window-manager in .xinitrc
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20:04<cs1ab___>anyone here use kerberos? I've got it sort of set up (doing a krb5-rsh login works, I followed tutorial at http://techpubs.spinlocksolutions.com/dklar/kerberos.html) I just can't get kdm to login me in (or console for that matter) with my kerberos credentials (since I changed my password to *K* to make it do a kerberized login since that password doesn't match the kerberos password)
20:05<cs1ab___> the kerberos server is a local virtual machine started at boot
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20:09<weasel>did you set up pam.d/common-auth correctly? is kdm using common-auth?
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20:10<cs1ab___>if @include common-auth is it then yes, and I setup common-auth according to the site listed above
20:12<cs1ab___>I don't know much about pam but I'm trying to learn kerberos
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20:18<cs1ab___>even the shell login won't login with kerberos credentials (and kiniting and logging in as a user to keberos works but won't log you into the machine
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20:21<cs1ab___>and since I'm already logged in a user on machine that is trying to login with kerberos credentials I also note that even after using the shell command login, no kerberos tickets are in klist
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20:24<cs1ab___>weasel: did you get my messages about kerberos failing on shell login?
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21:07<cs1ab___>http://pastebin.com/rEQ3ZP5q this is my common-auth
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21:08<Mario>Hi, why all packages version in packages.debian.org begin with a 1:? anything. dovecot is 1:1.0.15-2.3+lenny1
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21:12<bremner>Mario: "all" package versions?
21:13<Mario>no, squirrelmail has a 2. Maybe it's a section indicator?
21:13<bremner>Mario: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#s-f-Version
21:14<bremner>Mario: it's called an epoch, you can learn more at the link I pasted
21:14<Mario>ok thank you
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21:18<dondelelcaro>Mario: every package has a default epoch of 0, and if you need to change versioning schemes, you increment it.
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21:20<Mario>thank you
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21:33<cs1ab__>how does one make pam authenticate against kerberos correctly (and fall back to the passwd file for like root logins)
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21:35<cs1ab__>I need kdm logins to authenticate against kerberos and neither will kdm authenticate with my current configuration or for that matter the login executable
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21:38<debsd>Looking to install x86 debian on a sdhc card. http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst downloads for i386 Tiny CDs/USB/etc (in /hd-media) are boot.img.gz, initrd.gz vmlinuz. Traditionally would expect such files in /boot. Not sure how to proceed...
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22:12<poopies94857>Hey all. I've been running Testing for a bit now on my EEE701 and I'm having strange audio trouble. My card shows up in alsamixer and in aplay -l but whenever I open an application that can use ALSA to play audio, I don't get anything.
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