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#debian IRC Logs for 2010-10-03

---Logopened Sun Oct 03 00:00:01 2010
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00:08<cozminsky>anyone know where xboard devs would hang out on irc?
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00:13<Efreak>#xboard?
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00:19<Stevie_Ray_Vaughan>hi
00:19<Stevie_Ray_Vaughan>someone here?
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00:25<cozminsky>Efreak, on which network?
00:28<Efreak>no clue
00:28<Efreak>:P
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00:28<Efreak>xboard is chess frontend, right? idk where the devel takes place, or if they even have a channel
00:29<cozminsky>aye, chess frontend. It's a gnu project these days on savannah
00:30<zendeavor>hey guys
00:30<Efreak>hay is for horses
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00:30<Efreak>get that $(@!## away from me
00:30*Efreak throws feces at NightMonkey
00:30<zendeavor>my mistake
00:30<zendeavor>Evening folks.
00:31<Efreak>its 9:31, I consider that night time
00:31<Efreak>long dark already
00:31<zendeavor>I agree
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00:32<zendeavor>but I can't very well say good night guys
00:32<zendeavor>since I mean to greet you
00:32<cozminsky>maybe in your timezone
00:32<zendeavor>so anyway, i was curious if I'm doing things right to set a different screen resolution
00:33<cozminsky>xrandr is your friend
00:33<zendeavor>do I have to drop out of X to change it?
00:33<zendeavor>yeah I'm using xrandr
00:33<Efreak>xrandr :/
00:33<cozminsky>only if you've configured X to a specific resolution
00:33<Efreak>tell me how to use xrandr with vnc4server, and I'll love you forever
00:33<cozminsky>most of that stuff should be handled pretty smoothly by recent versions of xorg
00:34<cozminsky>oh
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00:34<zendeavor>well i don't remember configuring X to anything at all
00:35<zendeavor>just rolling along with it as is
00:36<cozminsky>I think vnc4server is a client
00:37<cozminsky>or maybe
00:37<cozminsky> -geometry widthxheight is what you want when you start vncserver
00:38<cozminsky>default seems to be 1024x768.
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00:45<zendeavor>xrandr is being a jerk eh
00:45<zendeavor>can't change resolution
00:45<zendeavor>oh well
00:46<zendeavor>it's already maxed out so that's okay i guess
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02:16<mattcen>Hi all, I've got rsyslog installed on Debian Squeeze, and would like to enable it to receive logs from other hosts, however when checking /etc/default/rsyslog, I'm told that the '-r' option is deprecated (only used in compat mode < 3). This being the case, how should I enable remote logging?
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02:18<bzed>mattcen: read the rsyslog.conf manpage
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02:20<mattcen>Ah I looked right past it before; imudb and imtcp. Thanks bzed.
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02:22<bzed>mattcen: you might want to install the relp plugin and look at imrelp, too
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02:24<Niffum>any one know why net-snmp still returns multiple entries for the same sensors? So i get 5 entries for temp1, 5 for temp2 and 5 for temp 3.. all with different values
02:25<mattcen>bzed: Ah that's just a more reliable logging protocol; I'm logging from OpenWRT, and not sure if it supports anything fancier than good ol' UDP. I'll investigate it though. Thanks.
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02:27<Niffum>its been broken for 12 months
02:28<blackcow>if I wanted to change my user account name, what conflicts would I run in to?
02:28<blackcow>im on ubuntu btw
02:29<Niffum>blackcow: what do you mean change your user account?
02:29<Niffum>you want to login as a different username?
02:30<Niffum>?
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02:44<blackcow>sorry I was AFK, but yes, say my account is "steve", I now want to use "bill" to log in, and I want to change my user directory to /users/bill
02:45<blackcow>but I am worried that bad things will happen if I do
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02:49<virtual>hi
02:49<blackcow>hello
02:49<virtual>how is ! tell command please ?
02:51<blackcow>I'm sorry, I don't understand your question.
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02:52<virtual>i want to ask dpkg about enabling backports
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02:56<alien-sid>QUIT
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03:01<virtual>hi everybody
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04:07<chaos>i'm trying to build libpdf but these morons didn't include libpdf.h .. is there a deb package which provides it?
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04:16<cahoot>!search
04:16<dpkg>Please search for things rather than just asking, e.g. 'apt-cache search regex', or with <aptitude search>. The following ways can locate packages that own a file (installed, or candidate for install): 'dpkg -S /bin/foo', <apt-file>, <pdo> (online) and <help find> (bot). <search dpkg> for factoids. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt and ask me about <bot help>.
04:17<cahoot>btw - calling people morons is probably counterproductive
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04:17<Ovron>dpkg bot needs an AI
04:17<dpkg>Ovron: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
04:17<Ovron>:<
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04:18<Zeating>why does my xorg.cfg file have nothing in it..
04:18<cahoot>no needed?
04:18<Zeating>it has like 3 lines in it
04:18<Zeating>and im suppose to edit something under input but its not there
04:19<cahoot>you can run X -configure to dreate one to edit
04:19<chaos>!search pdflib.h
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04:19<cahoot>s/dreate/create/
04:19<chaos>did i break it?
04:20<Zeating>i'll try that cahoot
04:20<ompaul>chaos: no, it told you in the next line what to do, a version of which is "apt-cache search libpdf"
04:20<ompaul>chaos: on your own machine
04:21<Zeating>command not found? :S
04:21<cahoot>as root
04:21<chaos>there's no libpdf with anything resembling php in it in the search result
04:21<Zeating>nvm
04:22<Niffum>is net-snmp suppose to display all subfeatures of lmsensors ?
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04:26<ompaul>chaos: is that not a programming question then, not one for #debian, have a look at this found by using a search engine, btw you never declared the php interest in your inital question, I was not in an educational establishment the day they thought telepathy! ;-) http://stackoverflow.com/questions/560583/which-is-the-best-pdf-library-for-php
04:27<chaos>:)
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04:29<chaos>ompaul: thx
04:29<chaos>cahoot: you too :)
04:30<ompaul>yw
04:30<chaos>nb: i'm still not convinced whoever put pdflib out there with no headers wasn't a moron :P
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04:35<rpetre>the headers are usually in a separate -dev package
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04:36<chaos>yes, i thought as much but there're no packages for this :(
04:36<ompaul>chaos: and you will learn that your attitude buys you faster and faster help as you request it when you refer to people as morons, so much faster. you didn't look in the source ... woe is you ... what word shall we use for you?
04:36<chaos>but it doesn't matter anymore i'm trying tcpdf now :)
04:37<ompaul>chaos: the devs could be here now talking to you but you annoyed them ... remember that :P
04:38<ompaul>chaos: btw when you introduce a delta into your code to run your servers document it so when you do an upgrade you can roll it back then start again with creating and managing your delta from the original
04:38<ompaul>the more the delta the more the managment overhead
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04:48<anotherdebianusr>Hi. How can I check if wi-fi is working?
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04:49<ompaul>anotherdebianusr: http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse
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04:51<anotherdebianusr>ompaul: Thanks. However I am quite sure now that it does not work. Ifconfig does not lists wlan0, but, I think that appropriate things are in the kernel.
04:53<ompaul>http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi is there for the setup and I'm off
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05:09<anotherdebianusr>Anyone knows what can be the cause of ifconfig not listing wlan0?
05:10<blowback>Is the hardware recognized? lspci show you your network adapter?
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05:11<jpinx-eeepc>has it been renamed?
05:12<llutz>anotherdebianusr: the device does not exist or is down, try "ifconfig -a"
05:12<blowback>Could be eth0, this is true.
05:12<virtual>probably you haven't loaded/installed kernel module ?
05:12<anotherdebianusr>virtual: How can I check the modules?
05:13<Niffum>anotherdebianusr: what happend to iwconfig ?
05:13<anotherdebianusr>the result of ifconfig Wait a sce.
05:14<virtual>lsmod
05:14<anotherdebianusr>http://pastebin.com/sJLFkWhA
05:14<Niffum>anotherdebianusr: The only machines i have wifi on are the network routers and they run dd-wrt now
05:14<anotherdebianusr>results of sudo ifconfig -a
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05:15<Niffum>anotherdebianusr: you using ubuntu?
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05:15<anotherdebianusr>Niffum: Squeeze.
05:15<Niffum>ook.. I just saw sudo and assumed.. ubuntu doesn't seem to like to let you use root
05:16<Niffum>have to always sudo su -l
05:16<weasel>eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeek
05:16<weasel>man sudo. sudo -i.
05:17<Niffum>weasel? that defeats the purpous of sudo su -l
05:17<Niffum>the idea is i can stop typing sudo everytime i want to do something
05:17<weasel>glad you read what I wrote.
05:17<blowback>Niffum: That works, though it's more an Ubuntu ploy than a Debian one.
05:18<weasel>maybe you should try this reading thing once in a while
05:18<Niffum>you said man sudo.. and I did a man sudo
05:19<Niffum>i'm assuming that you are implying that sudo -i will do the same as sudo su -l
05:19<Niffum>its not clear in the man page
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05:19<weasel>only more cleanly and without running two programs that exist for roughly same purpose
05:20<Niffum>i'll give it ago next time i'm asked to do something on ubuntu, thanks
05:21<anotherdebianusr>http://pastebin.com/4iMCpjjY results of lsmod. What botthers me is SIOCSIFFLAGS: unknown error 132 while ifconfig wlan0 up
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05:21<weasel>I fail to see how any of this is ubuntu related. *shrugs*
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05:22<Niffum>as I said
05:22<Niffum>-as I said
05:22<Niffum>weasel, every ubuntu box I login to.. i don't seem to get the root password
05:22<Niffum>as if it doesn't even exist
05:23<Niffum>so every command i have to issue with a sudo infront of it
05:23<weasel>so?
05:23<blowback>root account is disabled on Ubuntu. you authenticate with your user pass.
05:23<Niffum>which works fine.. except when i run shell scripts and they issue a few commands then for som..
05:23<Niffum>long story short.. i don't see the point in typing sudo infront of everything
05:23<Niffum>its kinda stupid
05:24<Niffum>i can screw the box up just as much typing sudo as I can logged in directly as root
05:24<weasel>much to learn you have, young padawan
05:24<Niffum>learn
05:24<Niffum>learn what
05:24<Niffum>i already solved the issue.. sudo su -l
05:24<Niffum>i'm not sure what the issue is
05:24<weasel>that not everything that's different is stupid for instance
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05:25<Niffum>its like having to type www infront of every web page
05:25<Niffum>its kinda redundant
05:25*weasel gives up
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05:25<Niffum>so you dont' understand?
05:25<weasel>whatever. HAND.
05:25<Niffum>i can understand using sudo if you had to use only one command as root
05:26<Niffum>but when you have to do quite a few its pointless
05:26<Ovron>then sudo su and be done with it when you need it?
05:26<weasel>I think I started this whole useless discussion with sudo has a -i option.
05:26<Niffum>this conversation is dead to me :)
05:26<zendeavor>well
05:26<weasel>thanks $deity
05:26<zendeavor>now that you're all done bickering
05:27<Niffum>anotherdebianusr: so that paste you had done has wlan0
05:27<zendeavor>I'd actually like to know what the point of sudo is
05:27<weasel>zendeavor: run stuff as another user.
05:27<weasel>zendeavor: maybe read the fine manual?
05:27<Ovron>there's a manual? :O ;)
05:27<zendeavor>i don't have sudo installed?
05:27<weasel>zendeavor: install it or find the manpage on the web?
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05:28<zendeavor>sure, I could dig through that for a while
05:28<zendeavor>or i could just ask "why sudo?"
05:28<anotherdebianusr>Niffum: Excuse my lacks in English but I am not following.
05:28<weasel>because it allows $user to run $stuff as $target on $host. where each of these vars is configable.
05:29<zendeavor>right
05:29<Niffum>zendeavor: logged into the machine as root, say you want to start something like mythtv... if you start it directly as a program, it'll be run under the user root... using sudo you can make it run as another user
05:29<Niffum>so from root.. i can start mythtv.. under the mythtv user
05:29<anotherdebianusr>Niffum: I have wlan0 listed as I perform ifconfig -a but I can't get it up: I get the error that I mentioned before.
05:29<Niffum>anotherdebianusr: and what was the error
05:29<zendeavor>oh, see, that makes sudo seem much more sensible than I'd previously thought it was
05:30<anotherdebianusr>SIOCSIFFLAGS: Nieznany błąd 132
05:30<anotherdebianusr>Stands for "unknown error".
05:30<weasel>zendeavor: e.g. http://git.debian.org/?p=mirror/dsa-puppet.git;a=blob;f=modules/sudo/files/common/sudoers
05:31<Niffum>anotherdebianusr: I hate wireless. Have you installed the firmware for the wireless card?
05:31<Niffum>i remember something about having to have the firmware on the box
05:31<Niffum>anotherdebianusr: do a dmesg
05:31<zendeavor>appreciated guys, thx.
05:31<Niffum>anotherdebianusr: and look for where it initializes the wireless card
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05:31<Niffum>anotherdebianusr: it might be having a winge about not finding firmware drivers
05:32<Niffum>well.. firmware files
05:32<anotherdebianusr>Niffum: To be honest I could use some assist at looking into dmesg.
05:32<anotherdebianusr>Niffum: http://pastebin.com/eQv3ZVC5
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05:36<anotherdebianusr>I will do reboot (just in case) and will be back in a secound.
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05:38<Niffum>thats more than a second
05:38<Niffum>if my calculations are correct
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05:39<anotherdebianusr>I am back. Which log file holds the boot screen information? I am asking because it was somewhat red from "fials".
05:40<Niffum>dmesg has most of the bootup sequence in it
05:40<anotherdebianusr>#eeepc-debian
05:40<imperium>hellow, is there something wrong with python-cupshelpers package on squeeze, bcos it was removing gnome when i dist-upgrade it
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05:41<Niffum>anotherdebianusr: or /var/log/dmesg
05:41<Niffum>imperium: been a while since you upgraded packages?
05:41<graf>hi... after some random updates, now i get only few colors in X11... any idea what i should tweak?
05:41<imperium>here is my paste http://pastebin.com/3KDn7Sjz
05:42<anotherdebianusr>Niffum:
05:42<anotherdebianusr>Niffum: thanks.
05:42<imperium>Niffum: i upgrade it about 2 days ago
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05:43<Niffum>thats kinda sucky
05:43<Niffum>id probably had thought about typing N when it asked you to remove gnome
05:44<Niffum>apt-get install gnome
05:44<Niffum>does it want to install it ?
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05:44<imperium>it says broken package, unmet dependencies
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05:45<aleks>hello
05:45<Niffum>apt-cache showpkg gnome
05:45<Niffum>find out what the dependancies are
05:45<Niffum>there is some dpkg command to
05:46<imperium>ok Niffum, thx
05:46<Niffum>anotherdebianusr: your on a eeepc ?
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05:46<Niffum>you can use dpkg --list
05:46<Niffum>to show you what you have currently installed
05:47<Niffum>one day i upgraded a trivial package and it wanted to remove ... kde... and everything else on the box
05:47<Niffum>it tried to update udev and decided that i coudln't have anything installed
05:48<graf>i don't even find an /etc/X11/xorg.conf...
05:49<anotherdebianusr>Niffum: Yes, I am.
05:49<Niffum>anotherdebianusr: you probably need to google wlan0 and eeepc
05:49<Niffum>theres probably something very trivial you have to do to make it work
05:49<graf>dpkg-reconfigure xorg does nothing...
05:50<Niffum>graf: have you looked in /var/log/Xorg.0.log
05:50<graf>Niffum: yes, it says that chooses 8bit
05:50<Niffum>graf: dpkg --list |grep xorg
05:50<cahoot>graf: X -configure to create one if you need it
05:51<Niffum>carefully look at all the xorg packages and make sure they are all of the same vintage
05:51<anotherdebianusr>Niffum: Unfortunately I was speaking with gentleman with same model and for him it worked out of box. There is not much about wifi in this model anyway.
05:51<graf>well, xorg is installed..
05:51<Niffum>anotherdebianusr: get him to do a uname -a
05:51<cahoot>graf: X -configure to create one if you need an xorg.conf
05:51<Niffum>anotherdebianusr: then you do a uname -a .. and see if you are using the same version
05:52<Niffum>graf: I have had countless upgrades to xwindows... and it quite often only upgrades part of xwindows.. and the rest of it falls over as a reasult
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05:53<Niffum>graf: I usually end up doing an apt-get install <package> for every xorg package thats installed
05:53<graf>Niffum: all installed packages are up to date...
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05:53<Niffum>what video card ?
05:54<Niffum>I always generate my own xorg.conf. I google the video card and xorg.conf
05:54<Niffum>and bang one up
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05:54<Niffum>if your getting 8-bit colour.. doesn't that mean it's just running it as vga
05:54<cahoot>anotherdebianusr: what does lspci -nn | grep -i net tell about your wifi? can put the result on a pastebin
05:54<Niffum>cause it doesn't know what it is ?
05:55<anotherdebianusr>cahoot: http://pastebin.com/6UZsuqAt
05:56<Niffum>anotherdebianusr: the wireless and the ethernet arn't on the same network are they?
05:56<Niffum>maybe unplug the ethernet cable
05:56<cahoot>!ath9k
05:56<dpkg>[ath9k] a completely free (no proprietary HAL) driver for Atheros 802.11n PCI/PCI-E wireless LAN chipsets. Included in the mainline Linux kernel since 2.6.27. Lenny users: ask me about <bdo> to install a later kernel image package containing this driver. AR9287 and AR2427 are supported in Debian 2.6.32 kernel images. For USB 802.11n device support, ask me about <ar9170>. http://wiki.debian.org/ath9k
05:56<cahoot>anotherdebianusr: ^
05:57<anotherdebianusr>Niffum: No they are not (i think).
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05:59<graf>sorry.... i have to launch the cooking process... i'm back in a few minutes...
06:00<anotherdebianusr>http://pastebin.com/xGaxdVLQ Can it be something in my network interface config?
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06:05<graf>Niffum: here is my log...
06:05<graf>http://pastebin.com/6wr2ubDT
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06:07<graf>and here the xorg packages installed
06:07<aleks>need help using fwcutter..
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06:09<Niffum>[drm] failed to open device
06:10<Niffum>FBDEV(0): Depth 8, (==) framebuffer bpp 8
06:10<Niffum>your using FBDEV
06:10<graf>well... if i only knew what this really means...
06:10<Niffum>and also drm failed... ive had issues with that
06:10<gsimmons>aleks: Just go ahead and describe your problem.
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06:10<Niffum>I did a dpkg --list |grep drm
06:11<Niffum>upgraded anything with drm.. same for glx
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06:11<Niffum>--) PCI:*(0:0:16:0) 10de:0329:10de:0010 nVidia Corporation NV34M [GeForce FX Go5200] rev 161, Mem @ 0x91000000/16777216, 0xa0000000/134217728, BIOS @ 0x????????/131072
06:11<Niffum>thats your video card
06:11<aleks>need some basic directions, i have the ipw2200 firmvare installed etc.
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06:12<graf>Niffum: the system is up to date... debian testing....
06:12<graf>so, installing missing packages is an option... upgrading... well, probably not :-(
06:12<Niffum>oh
06:13<Niffum>debian testing
06:13<aleks>trying to use fwcutter on these source code files, but nothing happens
06:13<Niffum>depends on the day you do the apt-get update\
06:13<Niffum>i'm looking for an xorg.conf file for you now
06:14<graf>i've done the update today...
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06:16<Niffum>the problem is I always hack together a xorg.conf
06:16<Niffum>you can try removing xserver-xorg-video-fbdev
06:16<gsimmons>aleks: The files packaged within firmware-ipw2x00 can be used as-is with the in-tree ipw2200 driver. You shouldn't be required to cut/extract anything.
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06:19<Niffum>graf: have you tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
06:19<Niffum>and if you get a choice choose NOUVEAU
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06:21<graf>Niffum: "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" does absolutely nothing...
06:22<Niffum>rather gay
06:22<Niffum>did you remove fbdev ?
06:22<graf>no error no question asked... i wonder if i have to stop x11, first...
06:22<Niffum>restart it
06:22<graf>yes, after removing fbdev i could not start x11 anymore
06:22<Niffum>did it just remove the fbdev package?
06:23<aleks>how do i use the in-tree driver?
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06:23<graf>ok, see you later... after a x11-restart...
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06:30<gsimmons>dpkg: tell aleks -about ipw2200
06:30<graf>Niffum: no chance... i have to give up for today...
06:30<graf>the problem is that i need this laptop for a graphic workshop this afternoon and i can't use it with 8bit color depth :-(
06:31<graf>ok, thanks for you support
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06:32<blowback>What's wrong with 8bit? 256 colors should be enough for anyone!
06:33<hachi>hi all, anyone know what sort of events might be triggered by a dhcp lease either renewing or changing address, interface coming up and down?
06:33<aleks>i have extracted some tar.gz and got a buncha files. tried to type something like modprobe ipw2200
06:34<graf>blowback: my powerbook is all silver... on color is definitively enough...
06:34<Niffum>graf: id probably not run debian testing then
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06:34<graf>Niffum: well, debian stable is really not an option for me.
06:35<Niffum>unstable?
06:35<Niffum>I think thats what I'm running
06:35<Niffum>unstable is .. pretty unstable as it is
06:35<graf>well, then no unstable,either... i'm mostly happy with what i have...
06:36-!-mode/#debian [+l 420] by debhelper
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06:37<Niffum>other than it being 8 bit
06:37<Niffum>id say overall he was unhappy
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06:38<graf>Niffum: problem solved
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06:39<graf>i didn't have any xorg.conf (which is probably correct, from what i've read) and X -configure could not create one.
06:40<graf>i've copied a random a random xorg.conf for powerbook (an old one, i think) and now i have a reasonable color depth!
06:40<graf>voilà, launch is waiting for me, now!
06:40<graf>thanks again for your support
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06:41<Niffum>indeed
06:41<Niffum>as I said before
06:41<Niffum>thats what I do
06:41<Niffum>google the card on the internet
06:41<Niffum>and find me an xorg.conf that i can hack up to work
06:42<pallgone>hmm, that's weird, iceweasel and firefox don't respect css font-family: sans-serif
06:42<pallgone>on squeeze that is
06:43<pallgone>ah, grr, found it
06:43<pallgone>nvm
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07:05<dpkg><alcros> sorry, I was trying to read the guidelines
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07:07<zendeavor>how can i set compositing to run by default
07:08<blowback>zendeavor: Install fusion-icon, configure there.
07:08<Wouterdt>I'm using mdadm for a raid5 setup with 3x2Tb and i'm growing the array with 1 new 2Tb disk. The reshape speed is about 7,5mb/s is this always this slow or is this some problem?
07:09<zendeavor>fusion icon, for compiz?
07:09<blowback>zendeavor: Once you activate compiz, it should remain the default option.
07:09<blowback>fusion-icon is helpful in the event you want to change wm's etc, or if compiz comes unstuck.
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07:10<hachi>what can I use to detect the plugging of a network cable into an interface to automatically bring it up?
07:10<mattcen>hachi: there's an option you can use in /etc/network/interfaces, but I forget what it is...
07:11<petemc>ifplugd is one way
07:11<hachi>allow-hotplug doesn't do it
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07:11<hachi>thanks
07:11<petemc>thats for removal of devices, not cables
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07:11<zendeavor>does compiz play along with radeon hd4650 on the FOSS radeon driver though?
07:11<hachi>exactly
07:12<mattcen>Hi all, I have the following linux command line in my Grub config: "linux /vmlinuz-2.6.32-5-686 root=/dev/mapper/VG1-Root ro quiet console=tty0 console=ttyS0,38400n8", but the linux boot process only shows up on one of the two specified terminals. Can anybody explain how to make it display on both?
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07:19<Wouterdt>mattcen: I've had success with this howto: http://www.debuntu.org/how-to-set-up-a-serial-console-on-debian
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07:25<mattcen>Thanks Wouterdt, that's basically what I've got; GRUB outputs to both TTYs, Linux spawns a Getty on both TTYs, but during the boot process the kernel messages appear only on one TTY, and I can't understand why. It worked on my old system (which admittedly is very different: 2.6.26.5-28.fc8 vs whatever the latest Squeeze kernel is0
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08:14<hachi>anyone seen miniupnpd packages for debian?
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08:15<hachi>I see a lot of people for many years now asking to have it packaged, but nobody weighs in to say why it hasn't happened or if it's been supplanted by something else, or any information
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08:17<bremner>hachi: has there been an RFP (request for package) bug filed?
08:17<hachi>over a year ago for the latest one
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08:17<hachi>people chime in and say "this would be good", but nobody ever says what it's waiting on
08:17<hachi>http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=541979
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08:18<hachi>ubuntu is in the same position... RFP, but nothing other than people requesting it
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08:19<bremner>it might be waiting on someone motivated to do the work
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08:20<hachi>doesn't that need to be stated somehwere?
08:21<bremner>It is implicit, I think, if an RFP languishes.
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08:23<hachi>well, bleh... now I get to set up some sort of cross-compilation headache
08:24<hachi>thanks bremner... I'll see about if I can handle making a package out of this
08:25<bremner>hachi: great. You know about #debian-mentors? that is a good place to get help with packaging questions.
08:25<hachi>I keep falling off the wagon, that's the issue
08:25<hachi>:)
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08:29<jeremy>lut salut
08:29<jeremy>oww les gens !
08:29<jeremy>XD
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08:30<Guest1615>aller aller aller
08:30<Guest1615>aller ola olee
08:31<themill>Guest1615: you want #ubuntu-fr on irc.freenode.net
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08:31<Guest1615>tout le monde aprt =(
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08:42<CyZooNiC>I am trying to diagnose why the transfer rate between two debian machines I have is just 3MB/s. Ethtool on one says Supported ports: MII and the other says TP. Would that have an effect on the network speed? They are both connected to the same Gigabit switch and I see no collitions or any other errors.
08:44<locklace>CyZooNiC: no. are you testing with a tool like nuttcp
08:44<locklace>CyZooNiC: and what are the ethernet link speeds of the two ports
08:45<CyZooNiC>locklace, 1000Mb/s Full
08:45<CyZooNiC>locklace, I was not aware of that tool, I will take a look at it.
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08:46<locklace>CyZooNiC: yeah, first step is to use a proper throughput test tool. there are several
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08:46<CyZooNiC>locklace, thanks, I will run a test with it.
08:47<locklace>CyZooNiC: another useful test would be to add a third system and test its throughput to the other two respectively
08:47<CyZooNiC>locklace, I have done that, I get the same issue but what is odd is it only happens in one direction.
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09:00<panTerasMelos>hi! i just installed debian on my eee but, internet is extremely slow (both ethernet and wifi). is that a common problem?
09:00<muep>define slow
09:00<panTerasMelos>i mean, that's very very weird but, i have no clue!
09:01<panTerasMelos>it's like slower than a 56k
09:02<muep>how are measuring, and how fast is it actually?
09:03<panTerasMelos>it should be an adsl connection
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09:04<muep>yeah, but how are you measuring that it is slow?
09:04<panTerasMelos>surfing
09:05<panTerasMelos>www.google.com and it takes like 5 minutes to open
09:05<locklace>!slow
09:05<dpkg>it has been said that slow is ask me about <dma> or <nsswitch>. See also <qotd247>.
09:05<panTerasMelos>and the download speed from apt is just ridiculous, less than 1k
09:08<cthuluh>try using different nameservers in your resolv.conf (8.8.8.8, for example)
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09:25<panTerasMelos>cthuluh isnt dhcpdiscover supposed to do that for me?
09:27<cthuluh>dhcp is used to provide an IP address and various informations, among them you could find an indication of where the machine can find a nameserver
09:27<cthuluh>but it doesn't mean that this nameserver is ok or even present
09:30<panTerasMelos>how do i know what nameserver i should put in my resolv.conf?
09:32<cthuluh>well, you have to know the ip address of a machine running a nameserver, or you could install your own nameserver on your own machine
09:32<cthuluh>just test with 8.8.8.8 (google DNS cache)
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09:36<panTerasMelos>how do i restart the connection without having to reboot the computer? (im using wpa_supplicant)
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09:38<cahoot>like /etc/init.d/networking restart?
09:38<hachi>anyone know how to set up a 6to4 tunnel on debian that doesn't need the address hard coded?
09:40<panTerasMelos>no dhcp offers recieved...
09:40<cthuluh>panTerasMelos: seems like you have rather a wifi problem...
09:40<panTerasMelos>thanks cahoot
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09:41<cthuluh>hachi: well... which address?
09:41<hachi>the local endpoint
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09:42<cthuluh>use a script that you launch when the local interface is configured
09:42<hachi>the v4tunnel method seems to require me to enter the addresses, but generally 6to4 is based on already having an ipv4 address (in this case a dhcp interface)
09:42<cthuluh>(with "up" in /etc/network/interfaces)
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09:42<hachi>I don't see how I can interpolate the values into /etc/network/interfaces in that design though
09:42<hachi>that's the sort of thing I was thinking about using
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09:44<hachi>'up' also does not happen at dhcp lease grab time inherently... it's called before the lease is grabbed after a timeout
09:44<hachi>I asked earlier what events are triggered when a dhcp lease is grabbed, but didn't get any answers
09:44<panTerasMelos>well, with that nameserver wifi doesnt work anymore, and ethernet is still slow...
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09:46<cthuluh>panTerasMelos: wifi and DNS are not linked. if you have wifi problems then you won't be able to connect to 8.8.8.8 so you won't have connectivity to webservers on the net
09:46<cthuluh>hachi: what about post-up?
09:47<hachi>up and post-up are the same
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09:50<panTerasMelos>i dont have wifi problems. i can even connect: the problem is that it's very slow
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10:02<panTerasMelos>wait, i noticed that every time i connect my resolv.conf changes back to how it was before
10:02<cahoot>!fix resolv.conf
10:02*dpkg takes resolv.conf to the vet for a "special" visit.
10:02<cahoot>meh
10:03<cahoot>!fixresolvconf
10:03<dpkg>To fix your /etc/resolv.conf: edit /etc/dhcp{,3}/dhclient.conf to include the nameservers you want to use (ask me about <override dns>). Alternatively, use <resolvconf> and specify the nameservers yourself: echo -e "nameserver a.b.c.d\nnameserver w.x.y.z" > /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/base; resolvconf -u (where a.b.c.d and w.x.y.z are your ISPs nameservers). Also ask me about <fixresolvconf the ugly way>.
10:05<panTerasMelos>thanks
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10:08<smoke>ciao a tt
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11:11<user123>anyone online?
11:12<petemc>sure, just ask your question
11:13<user123>i install debian 5.0 and when instalation
11:13<user123>instalation was normal i think
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11:13<user123>but icant log in
11:14<user123>when the time to logis come the screen is black
11:14<zenlunatic>im at a loss. are virtual consoles disabled on lenny? im running a dell mini with lenny and cannot switch virtual consoles.
11:14<user123>what can be?
11:15<zenlunatic>user123: is there any output during boot?
11:15<zenlunatic>user123: do you get to grub?
11:15<user123>yes grub load
11:15<zenlunatic>then what?
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11:16<user123>when the time to log in in to debian
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11:16<user123>there is a black screen
11:16<zenlunatic>is there a login prompt?
11:16<user123>no
11:17<zenlunatic>are you sure the screen is on?
11:17<user123>yes
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11:17<petemc>user123: sounds like x isnt working, you should be able to use ctl alt f1 to get a login prompt from where you can look at the xorg log in /var/log/
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11:18<zenlunatic>after grub does it proceed with text as its loading, before the login period? grub<->text<->login
11:18<user123>yes its proceed
11:18<zenlunatic>user123: try petemc's suggestion
11:19<zenlunatic>weird now my ttys work...
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11:25<user123>i log in
11:25<user123>but now?
11:26<zenlunatic>try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
11:26<zenlunatic>as root
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11:29<user123>posting warning:overwriting .......
11:30<user123>next step?
11:30<user123>reboot?
11:30<petemc>type "X" without the quotes
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11:31<user123>command not found
11:31<petemc>try startx
11:32<petemc>you did use capital X ?
11:32<petemc>you should have /usr/bin/X
11:32<user123>i think i`m in "bash"
11:32<petemc>right
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11:32<user123>creating new authirity file
11:33<user123>fatal server error
11:33<user123>server is alredy active
11:33<petemc>/etc/init.d/gdm stop
11:34<user123>sopping display manager
11:34<user123>stopping display manager
11:35<petemc>now try X
11:35<user123>comman not found
11:35<petemc>startx
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11:36<user123>there is some letters
11:36<user123>i can`t read the
11:36<user123>i can`t read them
11:38<erKURITA>What's the issue?
11:38<user123>there some warning in from
11:39<user123>i push enter
11:39<erKURITA>I mean, what's your general problem
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11:39<user123>the letters was unreadable
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11:40<user123>i ill try again
11:41<user123>there is something on the
11:41<user123>screen
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11:41<user123>but it is a mess
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11:47<user123>what to choose ? ussing framebuffer or not? i don`t have a video card
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12:08<osterlaus>hi! i have a problem with aptitude update as squeezes release.gpg is empty, see http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sid/Release.gpg -- whom can I contact to solve this?
12:08<themill>osterlaus: known problem -- being worked on
12:08<osterlaus>thanks :)
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12:10-!-themill changed the topic of #debian to: squeeze,sid,lenny-backports GPG sigs broken | lenny (5.0.6) /msg dpkg 5.0.6 | etch no longer on mirrors: /msg dpkg etch->lenny | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg pastebin | /msg bots NOT people | offtopic: #debian-offtopic | FAQ: http://bit.ly/DebFAQ | Squeeze has been frozen: http://bit.ly/DebSqueezeFreeze
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12:16<themill>!NODATA 2
12:16<dpkg>Is apt complaining "W: GPG error: http://... Release: The following signatures were invalid: NODATA 2"? Due to a problem with the archive signing scripts on 2010-10-03, the Release.gpg file was not created correctly. This will be fixed in the next mirror pulse. Ask me about <secure apt>.
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12:29<arco29>Hi ! Does anyone get some weird issues with the gpg-key of the sueeze depos ?
12:30<arco29> ! I didn't see it was wrotten in the welcome message, sorry !
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12:33<themill>arco29: also, /msg dpkg NODATA 2; the fix is heading towards your mirror right now
12:33-!-mode/#debian [+o themill] by ChanServ
12:33-!-themill changed the topic of #debian to: squeeze,sid,lenny-backports GPG sigs broken: /msg dpkg NODATA 2 | lenny (5.0.6) /msg dpkg 5.0.6 | etch no longer on mirrors: /msg dpkg etch->lenny | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg pastebin | /msg bots NOT people | offtopic: #debian-offtopic | FAQ: http://bit.ly/DebFAQ | Squeeze has been frozen: http://bit.ly/DebSqueezeFreeze
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12:35<arco29>Scuse me but... I didn't understand ?
12:36<arco29>Am I suppose to do anything to solve it ?
12:36<cthuluh>just wait
12:36<arco29>Ok.
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12:43<sdni>hi evry body
12:44<striker>hi all
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12:52<quhan>hi, is there someone know whats happen of the knetworkmanager? I cant click the wireless icon
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14:02<cjuner>Is there a way to install further packages into a debootstrapped chroot without apt-get/dpkg in it? (And not letting debootstrap reinstall all existing pacakges).
14:03<pipe>I'd say "most probably", I guess the question is only how
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14:06<riesebie>dget http://mentors.debian.net/debian/pool/main/r/ripit/ripit_3.9.0-1.dsc
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14:18<riesebie>sorry, last msg should be posted to mentos
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14:31<f8l>riesebie: Try #debian-freshmaker for that. ;-P
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14:36<linda23>The first free online sex game, try it: http://de.thewrestlinggame.com/?w=132
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15:02<pallgone>oh? 23? yes? you're ot even a women and probably 50
15:02<pallgone>*not
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15:39<supplicant>I just got the following error running apt-get update: W: A error occurred during the signature verification. The repository is not updated and the previous index files will be used. GPG error: http://carroll.aset.psu.edu squeeze Release: Unknown error executing gpgv
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15:42<craigevil>supplicant: there are a couple of threads about that on forums.debian.net
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15:43<petemc>theres also the /topic
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15:48<lem0nade>AMAZING QUALITY AT AMAZING PRICES iPHONE 3G/3GS/2G/1G CASES ALL FOR UNDER £5.00 AT http://myworld.ebay.co.uk/stevenevans1
15:49<kmap>!op please handle lem0nade
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15:49<kmap>!ops please handle lem0nade
15:49<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: kmap complains about: please handle lem0nade
15:49<abrotman>handle?
15:49<kmap>Spam?
15:50-!-mode/#debian [+o abrotman] by ChanServ
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15:50<pipe>ham?
15:50<@abrotman>or wait for staff
15:50-!-mode/#debian [-o abrotman] by abrotman
15:50<kmap>abrotman: Thanks. Have I done something wrong?
15:50<Ganneff>no
15:50<abrotman>no .. you were fine .. but staff got him before i oculd
15:50<abrotman>could
15:50<Ganneff>but be more specific next time, noit just "handle" :)
15:50<kmap>Oh, fine. Thanks.
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15:50<kmap>Ganneff: Agreed... I'll be more descriptive next time.
15:51<abrotman>or at least mention "spam" :)
15:51<kmap>Right.
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15:52<pipe>Honestly, you guys disrupted the channel a lot more than the spammer :P
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15:55<supplicant>craigevil, petemc: thanks. I hadn't noticed today's earlier topic change
15:55<namakrak>hi
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16:00-!-Ganneff changed the topic of #debian to: lenny (5.0.6) /msg dpkg 5.0.6 | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg pastebin | /msg bots NOT people | offtopic: #debian-offtopic | FAQ: http://bit.ly/DebFAQ | Squeeze has been frozen: http://bit.ly/DebSqueezeFreeze
16:00-!-mode/#debian [-o Ganneff] by Ganneff
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16:17<debidan>alguem me ajuda a instalar o drive ati aki no meu debian?
16:17<pipe>uhm
16:17<pipe>what?
16:17<pipe>!br
16:17<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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16:23<debidan>who can help me to install drive ati in debian?
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16:37<bremner>!ati
16:37<dpkg>To use an ATI graphics card with Debian, ask me about <radeon>, <radeonhd>, <fglrx>. See also <radeon vs radeonhd>. Installing proprietary drivers from amd.com (i.e. with the ATI Driver Installer) is not supported in #debian, please go to #ati (irc.freenode.net).
16:38<bremner>debidan: which ati driver do you want?
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16:42<debidan>i want ati radeon hd3300
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16:42<debidan>please
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16:44<bremner>debidan: the radeon driver included with recent x.org should work.
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16:47<bremner>the version is squeeze is probably fine, not sure about lenny
16:47<bremner>debidan: what version of Debian are you running?
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16:48<debidan>that's okey.my version lenny
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16:50<bremner>hmm. you will have to check "man radeon" to see if your card is supported
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16:51<debidan>i try to use the flgrx, and not its right
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16:54<pipe>what is not right?
16:55<tami>Hello, all. Would anyone like to help me install packages from an optical disc?
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16:59<pipe>man apt-cdrom perhaps?
17:00<tami>I think the problem is that the disc is not mounted.
17:00<pipe>Well
17:01<pipe>Since you actually say that, you probably know how to solve it :P
17:01<tami>I am following a book, which comes with a Debian DVD. I think it is ironic that the book does not cover mounting filesystems.
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17:02<tami>It comes with a whole DVD, there must be loads of software on it, but once a bare system is installed, the book expects one to get all packages from the 'net, instead of off the disc.
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17:02<pipe>Yes, that's the normal way
17:03<tami>Well, I have the DVD, and I want to use it. It is a real shame that the book does not say how :(
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17:03<pipe>But like
17:03<pipe>If it's just a debian dvd, you should just boot from it
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17:04<tami>Well, I did boot from it, and I have a base install (no GUI).
17:04<tami>The book teaches how to use apt-get and aptitude.
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17:04<pipe>hm
17:04<pipe>the install should have added the DVD correctly to your sources.list etc
17:05<tami>Yes, it did.
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17:05<tami>So the problem I face is: aptitude tells me
17:05<pipe>So what exactly happens when you try to install a package
17:05<pipe>I'm not the best guy to solve this since I never install from a CD/DVD, only from the net.
17:05<tami>[[[ Please insert the following disc into the drive "/cdrom/"; ]]]
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17:06<tami>And then of course the name of the Debian disc.
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17:06<tami>But like I said, this ~600 page book never teaches how to mount a disc :O
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17:07<pipe>do you have anything cdrom-related in your /etc/fstab?
17:07<pipe>grep cdrom /etc/fstab
17:08<tami>The line in fstab follows:
17:09<pipe>no need for details, if there's anything, just type "mount /dev/whatever" as root or sudo with a valid disc in the drive
17:09<tami>Bah! IRC error for typing a line with slashes
17:09<tami>I will try that
17:09<pipe>You can type "/ /blah" to get "/blah"
17:09<pipe>(in irc, that is)
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17:11<pipe>But it is odd if the book missed that
17:11<tami>I'll be able to use sudo as soon as I install it. But now I face
17:11<tami>mount: /dev/hde is not a valid block device
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17:13<pipe>Ok so hm
17:13<pipe>I don't know anything, but perhaps your /etc/fstab was misconfigured by the installer
17:14<pipe>Your DVD might be on another device, and thus the mount fails
17:14<pipe>aptitude and apt-get might try to mount, but failing
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17:15<pipe>If you want to hack to get this to work, try to find the device for your DVD with something like "dmesg | grep -i cd-rom"
17:15<pipe>Then edit /etc/fstab to point to the correct device. You seem to know quite a bit about linux already.
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17:16<tami>Well, I've been trying to learn it since 2006.
17:16<pipe>I'm just guessing here, but it doesn't seem anyone else is interested in helping. :P
17:17<pipe>Is there any reason in particular that you don't won't/can use the network for downloading packages?
17:18<tami>Despite what every fan says, Linux has been hard for me to learn.
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17:18<tami>But I'm still keen on trying. I am not dissing it.
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17:19<tami>Yeah, I have a couple reasons. The book has not taught how to set-up networks yet, for one.
17:19<pipe>There are things you shouldn't have to learn. For example these things.
17:20<tami>And this book does not cover wireless networks at all. And I know, from some past experience, that getting a connection up with WPA encryption will not be as easy as "1 2 3".
17:20<pipe>sure it will. apt-get install wicd.
17:20<pipe>Then wicd-curses if you don't want to use a gui
17:20<tami>Maybe I'll try that when apt can access a repository.
17:21<pipe>yes
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17:21<tami>I just wish I had a knowledgable buddy, somebody I could have asked for help, for the past few years, instead of trying, researching things as best as I can, and then giving up.
17:22<tami>This has got to be at least my twentieth attempt to "go 'nux".
17:23<pipe>But the knowledge you get from trying and failing is much better than just asking for help
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17:23<pipe>But sometimes there are things you don't wish to learn
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17:25<tami>Thanks for the help! with [ dmesg | grep -i cd ], I found that the optical drive is actually hdc and not hde.
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17:26<tami>Corrected fstab, and now aptitude is rolling on.
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17:28<pipe>nice
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17:28<pipe>how old is the book?
17:29<tami>Well, I'll tell you what it is. I kinda did not want to say, because I did not want a short-tempered "That's ancient! Download something more recent!".
17:29<tami>It is "Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 Bible".
17:30<pipe>Yikes
17:30<pipe>That's ancient ;)
17:30<tami>I don't care how old Sarge is; the concept of the book is exactly what I need. It takes the user from a base install, configures audio and video, and networking and everything.
17:31<tami>And there is nothing more recent about Debian, as far as I can tell.
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17:31<pipe>Yeah, the problem with that is that if you're using newer hardware, it might be unsupported
17:31<tami>It seems there is a full-length tome about Ubuntu put out from various publishers every month.
17:32<pipe>Funny, since you don't need a book to insert a CD and have gnome booting up
17:32<tami>Nope, this hardware is excellent. All from 2002. Intel graphics, sound, networking, etcetera.
17:32<pipe>Ok, nice
17:32<pipe>thinkpad?
17:32<tami>Yeah :)
17:32<pipe>Best of the best.
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17:33<pipe>I think I've had 10 people buy thinkpads or something now. :P Check out thinkwiki for specific linux-thinkpad issues if you haven't already.
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17:33<tami>No kidding, I've been referring to that site for years.
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17:34<tami>If I never happened across that site, I probably would never have bought a ThinkPad.
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17:34<tami>Once upon a time, I was a Sony fan.
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17:35<ironm>tami, what site is it? .. I used for few years ThinkPad A31p, and now using T60p and T61p ... I can't really complain ;)
17:35<pipe>I made a long list of what I needed from a laptop, then the only choice was a thinkpad X-series. Partially because of open drivers.
17:35<tami>www.thinkwiki.org/
17:35<ironm>tnx tami :)
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17:36<tami>Nevermind Linux, that is the best resource site for hardware I have ever come accross.
17:36<ironm>BTW. I have updated the BIOS on both T6[01]p Notebooks
17:38<pipe>It's scary that you can update the BIOS straight from the network on my X40
17:39<tami>You know, I've seen mention of that inside the BIOS, but how exactly does one do that?
17:39<pipe>Don't want to know
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17:40<tami>I mean, Intel has made all of that VPro stuff in recent years, but that option is in ThinkPads from way before that.
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17:40<pipe>But I guess it's somewhat more useful on an X40 since it lacks an optical drive. It might also be nice in big business settings when you have hundreds or more machines.
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17:40<pipe>It's not any different than network booting really
17:41<pipe>Downloading a kernel image from TFTP
17:41<pipe>But never used the feature.
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17:44<tami>Are you a member of a forum about Debian?
17:44<pipe>no
17:45<blarson>I've got a laptop with an sd card slot that uses the sdhci-pci driver. Is there any way to tell if it would work with sdhc cards without buying one first?
17:45<pipe>or probably some bug tracker account
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17:45<blarson>debian squeeze :-)
17:46<pipe>blarson: The name of the driver do hint of sdhc capability but you can never be sure I guess
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17:46<pipe>blarson: You can use lspci to check the actual SD chipset and then google a little
17:46<pipe>blarson: For the record, I've never had any difficulites getting SDHC-cards to work on anything, but YMMV
17:47<tami>I have not a clue about SD cards. But I thought they are usually connected by USB.
17:47<pipe>Nah
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17:47<pipe>It's on the PCI bus in the thinkpad I think
17:48<abrotman>blarson: that's a hardware thing, not a driver thing
17:48<blarson>I've seen a microcontroler based webserver design with the microsd card hooked up with an spi interface.
17:49<blarson>abrotman: I didn't know if the sd vs sdhc difference was hardware or driver.
17:49<pipe>Actually, microsd doesn't need to support SPI
17:49<abrotman>AIUI, it's the hardware
17:49<pipe>Normal SD and mini-sd must support SPI though
17:49<blarson>abrotman: thanks for the info.
17:49<abrotman>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Digital#SDHC_and_SDXC_compatibility_issues
17:50<abrotman>maybe not
17:50<abrotman>?
17:50<tami>It is usually hardware, but updated firmware exists for some readers/writers, I think.
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17:50<abrotman>that article is very confusing :)
17:50<pipe>It all depends on how much the hardware does
17:50<tami>I find SD confusing. I'm a CompactFlash person.
17:51<pipe>tami: I replaced my HD in the thinkpad with two compactflash cards
17:51<pipe>16+16. I can't use normal SSD since it's a 1.8" slot.
17:51<tami>I tried that once, but the adapter board I used was poor, could only use one card at a time.
17:52<pipe>I have two cards. I can only use them in one configuration, if I swap the cards, only one is recognized.
17:52<pipe>It's weird, but it works now so it's fine.
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17:53<blarson>pipe: acutally, the laptop in question has an 1.8" slot and a 512MB compact flash in it at the moment.
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17:55<pipe>They're a nice and cheap alternative to harddrives. I have them in 3 laptops and my HTPC.
17:55<pipe>And my Amiga.
17:56<tami>Awesome.
17:56<blarson>For the price, i can't complain about the laptop. I wanted to see if I could get it working without spending more money on it. Currently has 512MB CF and 2GB sd.
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17:56<blarson>large sdhc are cheaper than large cf, but I couldn't get squeeze to install to sd.
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17:57<pipe>My Neo FreeRunner phone is running debian unstable on a 2GB microSD
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17:57<tami>I had one of those, haha!
17:57<pipe>But that's of course a little special case ;)
17:58<pipe>tami: They suck, but I got mine for free so it's ok.
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17:58<blarson>squeeze install lacks the sdhci-pci driver :-(
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17:58<tami>I was really foolish. I couldn't get a comfortable Linux install on a real PC, so why the heck did I spring for a $400 phone?!
17:58<pipe>blarson: You can probably not boot from the SD slot anyway
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17:59<pipe>tami: Actually installing debian on this phone was more trivial than a lot of other machines I've installed debian on. The installer script was very good.
17:59<blarson>512MB cf is more than enough to hold grub. But not good for a full system.
18:00<pipe>blarson: Depends on the system.. A normal "clean" debian install is somewhere around 250-300MB IIRC?
18:00<tami>351 for me
18:00<blarson>The main problem I'm having, besides filling the disk, is errors on the sd card.
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18:00<pipe>tami: But that's with the package cache and all the locales for every language etc.
18:01<pipe>tami: Or well, I don't know what the book installs.
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18:01<tami>It is a base install. No extra packages yet, no special additions for the book. Just plain 3.1 for i386.
18:01<blarson>A 256 MB cf wasn't enough to install squeeze base. So I took the cf from my camera.
18:02<blarson>Even with 512, I needed to custom partition without swap.
18:02<pipe>It's fun to buy compact flash cards used and check what kind of pictures the previous owner took. apt-get install magicrescue..
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18:03<tami>I bought one for my camera just within the last month. No recovery tools necessary: it was packed with high school football photos.
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18:05<pipe>Hehe
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18:41<franki^>Oops, sorry.
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19:41<xjjk>hello, is there a way to search for a file in the Debian archives containing a keyword in its path?
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19:42<xjjk>i.e., I want to find all the console fonts (stuff in /usr/share/consolefonts)
19:42<pipe>apt-file maybe
19:42<xjjk>apt-file and packages.debian.org don't appear to search in paths
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19:42<xjjk>apt-file directly says it doesn't do it, and I've been unable to get packages.debian.org to return results
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19:51<themill>xjjk: apt-file does this just fine
19:52<xjjk>themill: hrm, doh... it does... apparently the version of Ubuntu I did a quick test on doesn't
19:52<xjjk>but the one in Debian testing does
19:52<xjjk>themill: thanks!
19:53<themill>the one in lenny does too
19:53<xjjk>themill: great, thanks!
19:53<themill>and etch
19:54<xjjk>themill: hrm, the man page does appear to be wrong then
19:54<xjjk> apt-file will only search for filenames, not directory names. This
19:54<xjjk> is due to the format of the Contents files it searches.
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19:55<themill>that line doesn't appear in the etch or lenny versions of the man page
19:56<xjjk>I see it in the squeeze man page
19:56<xjjk>it's under the description for 'search' command in man apt-file
19:57<themill>it can't search for empty directories -- perhaps that's what it means
19:57<xjjk>mm, maybe, but that's not what it says
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19:57<xjjk>and that behavior appears true with older versions of apt-file and whatever packages.debian.org does
19:58<themill>!dbugs 557181
19:58<dpkg>DONE:#557181:W[apt-file] add warning to the man page that no directories will be printed (); Fri, 20 Nov 2009 05:18:02 UTC []
19:58<themill>the fix to that perhaps made more sense to the writer than the reader
19:59<xjjk>yeh
20:00<xjjk>the man page should say it returns only filenames and their paths, not directories by themselves
20:00<xjjk>is this a bug worth filing?
20:00<themill>probably.
20:01<xjjk>OK, will get on that… thanks for the help!
20:01<themill>np
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20:56<neo>hola hay alguen?
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20:56<neo>alguen me puede decir si el modem arris tiene la aplicacion de modo repetidor
20:56<neo>?
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21:42<retrospectacus>Failed to fetch http://www.debian-multimedia.org/pool/main/x/x264/libx264-104_0.svn20100918-0.1_i386.deb Size mismatch
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21:45<retrospectacus>fixed it: ran dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/libx264-104_0.svn20100918-0.1_i386.deb and tried again
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22:38<steve__>hey- i cant get my usb headset to work in squeeze
22:38<steve__>aka NO SOUND
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22:51<supplicant>steve__: does sound work at all? is your sound on and not muted?
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22:52<steve__>its on
22:52<steve__>im using a plantronics usb headset in debian squeeze
22:53<steve__>i select it in System->Prefrences->Sounds
22:54<supplicant>steve__: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-21576.html
22:57<steve__>thanks
22:57<steve__>do you use kde or gnome?
22:57<supplicant>steve__: gnome
22:57<steve__>y?
22:57<supplicant>because that was the default
22:58<steve__>i want to learn to be the1337, what is more 1337: kde or gnome?
22:58<supplicant>the shell is more leet than either, just install the server edition if you want to be uber-1337
22:59<steve__>i use vi instead of vim, that's how 1337 i am, but... i just realized i havent used kde since kde2
22:59<steve__>now everyone and their bro has ubuntu and gnome
22:59<steve__>am i becoming like everyone else?
22:59<steve__>you dont know how this hurts me
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23:00<steve__>you feel my pain?
23:00<supplicant>steve__: you could just not care, works for me
23:01<steve__>no- i'm a narcissist
23:01<steve__>so i need to care
23:01<steve__>ya feels me?
23:01<steve__>that, and i need a SHAREPOINT
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23:01<supplicant>no, but I do feel a nap coming on
23:01<steve__>i don't know what SHAREPOINT is, but i know i gotta have it
23:01<steve__>lulz
23:01<steve__>!sharepoint
23:02<steve__>!permasunday
23:02<dpkg>All days in #debian will remain Sunday until further notice. Unfortunately, outside #debian the world keeps turning, so you still have to get up and go to work. Welcome to PermaTardsday! http://www.lyricsfreak.com/m/morrissey/96007.html
23:02<steve__>!add sharepoint
23:02<steve__>!add sharepoint test
23:02<steve__>!sharepoint
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23:05<steve__>oh, does anyone know where i can get the bitchX irc client?
23:05<voss>Whats the story with the libx-264 package
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23:45<saleem>HELLO
23:45<saleem>how do i fix this error
23:45<saleem>http://pastebin.com/JQ5HLztB
23:49<saleem>hmm repos issue
23:49<saleem>http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linux.debian.user/391496
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23:56<raylu>libx264-104 from debian-multimedia is failing to download because of a "Size mismatch"
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