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00:11<patrakov>hello. what is the debian way to backup a MySQL database to another server? (the idea is to protect against both server crash and bad data, so I need several backups from different dates)
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00:18<amitz>by any chance, why my ext3 suddenly.can't contain the exact same files after copy paste operations? is there a way to optimize it back?
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00:23<alvarezp>patrakov: I don't know if there is "a Debian way". I'd just set up a cron job with a mysql dump and an upload to the remote server.
00:23<alvarezp>amitz: I don't understand your question. You do copy + paste in nautilus and the file(s) don't get duplicated?
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00:25<amitz>alvarezp: a group of files is moved out of fs the moved in again. somehow the fs don't have enoigh space to receive them back.
00:26<patrakov>alvarezp: OK, I will dump the database daily and include the resulting file into what rdiff-backup backs up
00:26<amitz>then moved in
00:26<amitz>lost almost twice of capacity
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00:31<kop>amitz: That depends on the default block size you set when you create the fs. Unused space within a partially used block is wasted.
00:32<alvarezp>amitz: oh, don't know. Is your ext3 near its full capacitiy?
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00:45<amitz>a few things: many directories. same block size. new fs is near capacity and i haven't copied all file.
00:46<amitz>planning to do fsck.ext3 -D, perhaps it will help..
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00:50<amitz>umm never mind guys. it seems my fs was corrupted.. it now reads space correctly.. wasn't corrected by fsck but was corrected by resize2fs...
00:50<amitz>thanks anyway :-)
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01:39<patrakov>in what cases does db_input exit with non-zero status?
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02:29<CoDeBreKER>hello all
02:29<CoDeBreKER>may i ask anyone if u guys know
02:29<CoDeBreKER>how to use MSN Messenger with xhat
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02:35<CoDeBreKER>guys any one know
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02:38<CoDeBreKER>any one there
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02:41<rootmos>is there a way of telling rsync to put files that would be synced into another directory?
02:41<rootmos>that is not in the sync
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02:42<jpinx-eeepc>rootmos: not really - but you can create a symlink
02:43<jpinx-eeepc>iirc rsync will follow a symlink destination
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02:45<rootmos>jpinx-eeepc: Ok ,thanks
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02:52<timmeh>rootmos: do you mean you want to sync a dir on two hosts, but put the differences in a different dir if they're sent?
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02:54<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
02:54<jpinx-eeepc>CoDeBreKER: ^^^
02:57<CoDeBreKER>hey bro
02:57<CoDeBreKER>where u from
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02:58<alvarezp>CoDeBreKER: I highly suggest you write the full nick of the person always, write the best you can and go to the point. We need that here.
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02:58<CoDeBreKER>so what u want me to do
02:58<CoDeBreKER>i use this nich since long time
02:59<IcollectUnemployment>!tell codebreaker not to be gay
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02:59<alvarezp>CoDeBreKER: to directly ask your question so we can help. What have you tried and what were you expecting.
03:01<CoDeBreKER>ohh ok
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03:01<CoDeBreKER>i understood now sir
03:01<CoDeBreKER>i wanted to know
03:01<jpinx-eeepc>and don't send unsolicited /pm's -- that's spam
03:01<IcollectUnemployment>it's getting pretty ubuntu in here
03:01<CoDeBreKER>if i can use Msn Messenger in X-chat
03:01<CoDeBreKER>and gnerate my buddy list
03:02<CoDeBreKER>if there is any way
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03:02<alvarezp>CoDeBreKER: yes, you can and there is a way. -- Glad to help ;-) just kidding. Set it up like any other account, just pick "MSN" as the protocol.
03:02<CoDeBreKER>as protocol
03:02<alvarezp>CoDeBreKER: look around in the menus, it's right there, but I don't remember the steps.
03:02<elements1>CoDeBreKER: are you running debian stable?
03:02<CoDeBreKER>i use as the port
03:03<CoDeBreKER>but didnt work
03:03<CoDeBreKER>i am using
03:03<dpkg>BackTrack is not Debian and is not supported in #debian (ask me about <based on debian>). Try or #backtrack-linux on instead. BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux.
03:03<alvarezp>wow... based on intrepid? That's a long time ago!
03:03<CoDeBreKER>yes bt4
03:03<elements1>go dpkg!
03:03<CoDeBreKER>i updated it
03:04<CoDeBreKER>its pretty good
03:04<alvarezp>CoDeBreKER: I'd really suggest you try the official backtrack channel.
03:04<jm_>CoDeBreKER: please discuss bt in the channelmentioned by dpkg
03:04<dpkg>CoDeBreKER: I don't know, could you explain it?
03:04<CoDeBreKER>where do i find that
03:04<CoDeBreKER>do u have any idea
03:05<alvarezp>CoDeBreKER: dpkg just said it.
03:05<elements1>I am in the same boat since I updated pidgin in lenny. It could be the same issue.
03:05<jm_>let's repeat since you seem to have trouble reading your screen: #backtrack-linux on
03:05<elements1>No MSN. I moved on pretty quickly.
03:05<CoDeBreKER>i dont know the bt4 channel
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03:07<jm_>ow you do
03:07<alvarezp>elements1, try the msn-pecan package. It installs an alternate MSN protocol (named WLM) for Pidgin.
03:08<CoDeBreKER>where i get that sir
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03:09<elements1>Oh nice, thanks. I'll try that.
03:09<CoDeBreKER>where i get that
03:10<alvarezp>CoDeBreKER: I don't know about backtrack, but under Debian you install it using APT, aptitude or whatever package manager you use.
03:11<alvarezp>I gotta leave. See ya all!
03:12<CoDeBreKER>why u wanna leave
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03:14<alvarezp>CoDeBreKER: because I, as a typical human, have to sleep. :)
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03:18<dpkg>BackTrack is not Debian and is not supported in #debian (ask me about <based on debian>). Try or #backtrack-linux on instead. BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux.
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03:18<jpinx-eeepc>CoDeBreKER: ^^^
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03:29<CoDeBreKER>are u a unix admin
03:29<CoDeBreKER>in bkk
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03:29<CoDeBreKER>wanna learn from u bro
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04:45<nubian-3265>hi, what is recomended in manual partitioning? i mean noatime or just leave it blank?
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05:25<Cheese>hello guys
05:25<Cheese>I would like to monitor my raid status
05:25<Cheese>without using dell openmanage
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05:32<petemc>Cheese: afacli
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05:38<skleen>hello everyones
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05:40<skleen>I need an advice on something. I plan to install a debian server with many services for my friends (mail, mercurial, redmine) and I wanted to do something unified, that when I create an account for someone it would allow him to use with the same accounts, ftp, mails, and others services
05:40<skleen>I looked on ldap, who seemed to do such things, but I have the feeling that it's for a way larger use than what I intend.
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05:41<daenney>LDAP is useful in bigger enviroment yes
05:41<skleen>is there anything smaller with same intent ?
05:41<weasel>it also works for small ones :)
05:41<daenney>yeah but it's quite a lot of work to setup if you're new to it
05:42<daenney>what I do in smaller envs is use the useraccount credentials from the shadow file
05:42<daenney>there are a number of modules for apache etc that can check a user and password against the shadow-file and authenticate that way
05:42<daenney>that's curretly how I authenticate for mercurial repositories, wiki and a few more
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05:43<skleen>do you have some howto links for that method ?
05:43<pipe>Depends on your programs of course
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05:44<rpetre>daenney: you _don't_ want to do http auth against shadow
05:44<daenney>rpetre: on small environments you can just fine, especially if it's not a critical system
05:44<rpetre>because you can have password-guessing attacks against unix accounts
05:45<themill>passwords in clear-text ftw
05:45<pipe>because you don't use retarded passwords
05:45<pipe>and you don't allow them in clear-text
05:45<daenney>not using retarded passwords solves a lot of problems
05:45<rpetre>http basic auth is basically cleartext, fyi
05:45<daenney>who said anything about http basic?
05:46<daenney>but yeah, that one is pretty cleartext
05:46<rpetre>you need to ring a lot of bells if you access shadow from apache :)
05:46<pipe>cleartext with sprinkles on it
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05:46<daenney>skleen: you'll have to google around a bit
05:46<rpetre>enforce some policies, so on
05:46<skleen>apart from the difficulty of ldap, is there a reason I shouldn't use it for my case ?
05:46<daenney>nah, you can give it a whirl
05:46<daenney>it's usually overkill in small envs but it works fine :)
05:47<rpetre>skleen: for a single machine it's a bit overkill
05:47<rpetre>(more than a bit, heh)
05:47<themill>skleen: have a look at GOsa² if you're looking for an ldap system to have a play with
05:47<pipe>I have the opposite situation, many machines, one user
05:48<skleen>themill : I look at gosa thanks for the info
05:48<themill>rpetre: single machine is irrelevant -- ldap is one of the easier ways of getting all the different daemons to use the same auth backend.
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05:50<pipe>Assuming they support ldap
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05:51<skleen>well, for my case, I checked that redmine support ldap
05:51<skleen>it's the main use of the server
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05:52<skleen>but I would like to add some other services and not having to manually edit rights for each users
05:52<skleen>for each servers
05:53<skleen>I'm looking at gosa and it seem interesting
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05:53<twb>When installing packages into a chroot, apt-get gives a lot of these:
05:53<twb>Can not write log, openpty() failed (/dev/pts not mounted?)
05:53<twb>...can I suppress this whining without mounting /dev/pts?
05:54<pipe>"normal procedure" is to mount your /dev/ in your chroot, but that's a bit fail securitywise
05:55<twb>I'd rather not mount anything inside the chroot -- so far I've been able to get away with it.
05:55<pipe>tried to just touch /dev/pts?
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05:56<twb>pipe: /dev/pts is a dir
05:56<pipe>Will probably give new warnings
05:56<twb>Or, it should be
05:56<pipe>openpty() will most probably still fail in the same way
05:57<twb>Really I meant is there a way to tell apt-get not to try openpty in the first place
05:57<twb>TERM=dumb already
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05:59<pipe>Not according to /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/configure-index.gz
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06:00<pipe>Unless it's named something else than "log" or "Log"
06:00<pipe>Not even sure it's apt that does the whining, each program might try to log at install
06:00<pipe>I mean at startup
06:01<twb>I suspect it's debconf or so
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06:01<pipe>sounds likely
06:01<twb>If by "programs" you mean services like apache, then they aren't started due to my policy-rc.d
06:01<pipe>should be the default
06:02<RvTx>anyone experienced with jack+ffado ?
06:02<RvTx>that can help me to configure focusrite pro 40 ? under debian ?
06:03<twb>Never heard of it.
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06:06<|Frederik>If I want to use NFSv4, do UIDs and GIDs need to be in sync between server and client?
06:06<pipe>twb: what, debian? It's a very popular linux distribution.
06:07<twb>|Frederik: in NFSv3, definitely. I can't see how that would be different in v4
06:07<RvTx>pipe, pff =P
06:09<pipe>|Frederik: You can start to use kerberos and more advanced authentications that can map users and groups
06:09<pipe>|Frederik: But there be dragons.
06:10<|Frederik>ok, I already read that kerberos might solve it, so that would indeed be the way forward then... thanks for confirming
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06:12<twb>I remain unconvinced that kerberos solves more problems than it creates
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06:14<twb>I would *like* to like kerberos
06:14<twb>Particularly since everything else (e.g. NIS+) is dead
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06:14<pipe>I think I do like the actual kerberos
06:14<pipe>in isolation
06:14<pipe>or on paper maybe
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06:15<pipe>But getting it to work with NFSv4 or anything else was apparently beyond my skill
06:15<pipe>Which doesn't say much
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06:16<twb>pipe: me too
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06:18<twb>Given that the "real" world will be adopting AD and SMB2, I'm inclined to focus on that rather than NFSv4
06:18<twb>The hosts might be heterogeneous, but at least I'll have consolidation of wire protoocls
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06:23<pipe>I prefer to stay out of the real world, it's scary.
06:24<twb>pipe: unfortunately I'm not in a position to dictate terms to customers and contractors and suchlike
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07:08<dpkg>well, ops is Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban.
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07:09<twb>Never mind.
07:09<themill>both cat and kb seem to be fine
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07:26<Guest1920>ke soii la albaa
07:26<themill>!es-social Guest1920, berto, irenee, linde
07:26<dpkg>Guest1920, berto, irenee, linde: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
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07:37<pipe>Ola, a common Swedish name.
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07:39<f8l>pipe: Polish as well.
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07:44<twb>es would be "hola" AFAIK
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07:58<leshak>Hi, anyone can help me with "Create and Edit .deb packages"? what i need for make this?
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07:59<Gudahtt>I can't get X to work on my fresh install of Debian, the monitor loses signal when it starts. here's my xorg.0.log:
07:59<twb>leshak: we can help with specific questions. That's a very general one.
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08:00<pipe>leshak: Is that some school project or why did you make the question with quotes?
08:00<leshak>twb: but don't exist and create and editor .deb easy? using apt-get install.
08:01<twb>leshak: I don't understand.
08:01<twb>leshak: foo.deb is a "binary package". It is compiled from a "source package".
08:01<jm_>leshak: .deb is really an AR file - man ar
08:01<twb>leshak: to create new packages, one edits the source package using a text editor.
08:02<leshak>pipe: just an question, it's don't a school project, i'm learning about linux and i want create .deb files of my scrips just for learn more.. but.. how can i create an file .deb with my scripts inside? and how can i edit .deb packages?
08:03<pipe>A very good question and I hope there is a good guide for that online
08:04<pipe>Because I'd like to know as well. :)
08:04<pipe>I know there are very simple tools that can do it automatically
08:05<patrakov>what packages in debian can I install on my server to see reports similar to (I don't want to buy mint, so looking for alternatives)
08:06<patrakov>(i.e., statistics of web site visits by day, page, country, excluding robots)
08:06<pipe>patrakov: Now that's confusing, I thought Mint was a version of ubuntu or debian, but this is not the same Mint?
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08:06<patrakov>pipe: that's indeed a name clash
08:07<pipe>patrakov: Anyway, the traditional is visitors, webalizer and awstats
08:07<pipe>patrakov: I've never seen any default output from those tools looking as shiny as what you just showed, but the information will probably be there
08:08<patrakov>pipe: they work by reading web server log. mint works by logging each visit to MySQL
08:08<alvarezp>Gudahtt: weird, using VESA and DDC is one of the most failsafe configurations. Try ddcprobe and see if matches what the X server is detecting, and that the monitor actually does support the selected resolution.
08:08<pipe>Then Mint have to interact with your web server,
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08:09<patrakov>pipe: Mint is a set of PHP scripts. basically, I have to insert a reference to /mint/?js on each page
08:09<twb>alvarezp: fwiw, one of my monitors (an LG 2010P) reports incorrect timings to DDC over VGA, but not over DVI-D.
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08:09<twb>alvarezp: so it CAN still screw up
08:10<pipe>patrakov: Argh, ok. I don't like that, and it was over 5 years ago since I touched anything more advanced than index.html, so I can't really help you here. :)
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08:11<pipe>patrakov: I almost never allow javascript to run, would it miss my visits?
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08:11<alvarezp>twb: yes, but we can call that a hardware failure, not a driver error. I would claim warranty on a monitor that does not correctly work.
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08:12<twb>alvarezp: I didn't notice until my DVI card got replaced by a netbook :-(
08:12<alvarezp>twb: <sigh>, it's amazing how some hardware manufacturers just don't care...
08:12<alvarezp>see ya later. Good luck, Gudahtt
08:13<twb>alvarezp: the GOOD news is I fixed it by googling for a string from Xorg.log, and I found a pastebin I had made three years earlier against the DVI card
08:13<twb>alvarezp: so I manually set those timings with xrandr and it Just Works
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08:13<patrakov>pipe: I'd rather let it miss your visits than allow it to log bad robots
08:13<twb>Gudahtt: if you can get in remotely (or Ctrl+Alt+f1 works), you can try using xrandr to pick a more conservative resolution.
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08:14<twb>alvarezp: oh, and bizarrely, KMS i915fb *does* autodetect correctly with that monitor over D-sub/VGA, so I guess it wasn't the hardware alone...
08:14<Gudahtt>I can boot it under single user mode fine, as long as I don't try to start x
08:14<twb>Gudahtt: I'm saying start X, then get back to a shell you can see.
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08:26<sonia>olaa a todos
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08:27<sonia>alguien me conoce
08:27<sonia>m nm m m m m m m m m m m m
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08:33<Gudahtt>twb: I started X and I'm in a shell now
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08:36<twb>Gudahtt: OK, run "DISPLAY=:0 xrandr -q" and pastebin the result
08:38<Gudahtt>just type that in shell?
08:38<Gudahtt>it says "no protocol specified" and "can't open display :0"
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08:40<Gudahtt>oh, and I should have mentioned earlier, I don't know if this is important or not but whenever X starts and the monitor loses signal, I also hear a beep from the interal speaker, sounds like a POST beep
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08:43<twb>How did you start X?
08:44<Gudahtt>I said /etc/init.d/gdm start
08:44<twb>Did you just run "X" as root, or did you do something horrible like "/etc/init.d/gdm star- OK, try again
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08:44<Gudahtt>lol shit
08:44<twb>sudo invoke-rc.d gdm stop; sudo X :1
08:44<twb>Make that sudo -b X :1, so you don't need a second tty
08:45<Gudahtt>k done
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08:46<twb>Now you should have no signal, so switch back to the tty and run DISPLAY=:1 xrandr -q
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08:46<twb>Incidentally, do you know if you are running a framebuffer, and if so, which one?
08:46<Gudahtt>k I did that, and the screen flashed and went blank again
08:47<Gudahtt>and it spit some numbers back at me
08:47<twb>Gudahtt: good. pastebin the entire output
08:47<Gudahtt>I'm not sure about the framebuffer thing
08:47<jm_>ahh command spit some numbers :)
08:47<twb>Gudahtt: if your host is networked, you can try "apt-get install pastebinit" then piping the xrandr command into pastebinit
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08:55<twb>So we can see that over half your entries are totally fucked (0.0 Hz), and that for some reason you aren't actually using any of those modes.
08:55<twb>Try DISPLAY=:1 xrandr --output default --mode 1024x768
08:56<twb>Then switch back to the X tty (Ctrl+Alt+f7 or f8, probably), and see if you get a black or stipple background, and a pointer that your mouse can move around
08:57<Gudahtt>it gave me this
08:58<twb>Gudahtt: OK, that crashed your X server
08:58<sonia>metasen en sonia en la conecxion s9onia alli los espero
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08:58<jm_>which gfx card do you have?
08:58<twb>Gudahtt: we are now well into "give up, take the hardware back" territory.
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08:58<twb>Gudahtt: do "lspci -nn | pastebinit"
08:59<Gudahtt>radeon HD 4200
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08:59<twb>It's an open question whether it's the GPU or the monitor, though.
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08:59<Gudahtt>I have another monitor here to try
08:59<Gudahtt>this one is pretty ancient
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09:00<twb>Gudahtt: try that. Same procedure.
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09:01<Gudahtt>here is lspci
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09:01<Gudahtt>the video card is on motherboard
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09:01<jm_>looks like RS880 chipset
09:02<Gudahtt>er... onboard* I mean. onboard video, ati radeon hd 4200
09:02<jm_>maybe you just need newer X - yup, part of the chipset
09:02<twb>Gudahtt: you can "sudo update-pciids; lspci -nn | pastebinit", if you can be bothered.
09:02<twb>jm_: good idea. i didn't check his debian version
09:04<twb>Gudahtt: are you running lenny, squeeze, or what?
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09:04<twb>I guess an RS880 is quite new; try squeeze.
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09:04<Gudahtt>downloaded the minimal install .iso from the main debain site 2 days ago
09:04<Gudahtt>thats what I'm using
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09:05<twb>Uh, there are about 256 "minimal" ISOs on Debian's site.
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09:05<Gudahtt>ah :p hum
09:05<dpkg>Squeeze is the codename for the next release, Debian GNU/Linux 6.0. It is the three-eyed space alien. Ask me about <wwsr> for recent updates and see also <testing> <squeeze udev> <squeeze kernel> <lenny->squeeze> . The Debian release is not to be confused with the <Xfce> archive manager.
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09:06<pipe>cat /etc/debian_version
09:06<Gudahtt>I used "Official netinst images for the "stable" release", amd64 version
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09:07<twb> is about the newest, most minimal, iso
09:07<twb>Gudahtt: "stable" is lenny and hasn't changed significantly since it was released, several years ago
09:07<Gudahtt>right on
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09:08<Gudahtt>so I should try that and check back?
09:08<Gudahtt>and try swiching monitors
09:08<twb>Or upgrade in place
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09:09<twb>!tell Gudahtt about lenny->squeeze
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09:44<Supaplex>I have NICS=wlan0 eth0 in a shell script. When I run it, I get 4: eth0: not found I believe this kind of assignment use to work in older releases of bash, but I'm not sure. I've seen it act this way since at least lenny (probabbly earlier).
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09:55<twb>Supaplex: you realize udev remembers MAC -> iface names?
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09:57<themill>Supaplex: that wouldn't have worked in etch either fwiw. You want NICS="wlan0 eth0".
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09:59<twb>themill: oh, yeah, obvious
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10:18<Kamuix>I'm trying to install debian on a laptop, but it can't seem to find my cd-rom drive says mount: mounting /dev/sr0 on /cdrom failed: invalid argument
10:18<Kamuix>if someone is able to help :)
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10:26<Doqnach`>Hi, anyone here with experience with setting up Trac on debian? I'm having issues during the configuration of my first project when it tries to connect to mysql
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10:44<Supaplex>themill: oh gee. I had my perl brain in. thanks btw
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10:47<Doqnach`>Hi, anyone here with experience with setting up Trac on debian? I'm having issues during the configuration of my first project when it tries to connect to mysql
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11:02<supplicant>retrospectacus: for your date problem I came up with this
11:02<supplicant>perl -MPOSIX -MDate::Manip::Date -e '$d=Date::Manip::Date->new();$d->parse(strftime("first Sunday in November in %Y", localtime()));print $d->value, "\n"'
11:04<rivon>I know this is probably not the right chan, but I couldn't find the answer anywhere else - when I'm using CryptoFS, I create the FS by using cryptofs --root=<source> <dest> ... but then, how do I mount it again and unmount it?
11:06<supplicant>man cryptofs ?
11:06<rivon>no manual page
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11:06<rivon>there's nothing on the website either
11:06<supplicant>I only have experience with encfs, but to unmount an encfs system you use fusermount
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11:07<rivon>I tried 'fusermount -u <source>' and 'fusermount -u <dest>' but none of them worked
11:07<supplicant>rivon: lufsmount cryptofs://<source> <dest>
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11:08<supplicant>rivon: that is to mount
11:08<rivon>I need more that unmount... mounting can be done by that cryptofs...
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11:09<supplicant>rivon: what? I don't follow you
11:09<rivon>I can mount the fs again by cryptofs --root=<source> <dest>
11:10<rivon>but I don't know how to unmount it... at least not from non-root terminal
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11:12<supplicant>rivon: do you have any particular attachment to cryptofs? encfs does the same thing and I know how to use it
11:13<rivon>cryptofs just seemed better to me
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11:14<supplicant>cryptofs seemed better why?
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11:14<mzilikazi>How to pass full path to gconftool-2?
11:14<mzilikazi>gconftool-2 -t str --set /desktop/gnome/background/picture_filename "$@"
11:14<mzilikazi>that only passes the filename, not the full path
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11:19<themill>Supaplex: no worries
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11:30<bja>Has anyone heard about the document foundation?
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11:49<zumbi>bja: someone had a word on that some days ago in this channel
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11:49<zumbi>bja: well, not here but -devel
11:50<pipe>Too bad about the half-unpronouncable name
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11:54<bja>zumbi: ·-→ thx
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11:56<xalex84>hi all
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13:09<Khades>does works with libwebkit based browsers in debian squeeze?
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14:55<Alphawolf>hey there :)
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14:56<Alphawolf>i hope, u can help me :)
14:57<Alphawolf>i'll try running thunderbird latest version
14:57<Alphawolf>but it starts not every time i try
14:58<Alphawolf>main error: (thunderbird-bin:4542): Gtk-WARNING **: /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/engines/ wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64
14:58<Alphawolf>thunderbird helpchannel means: the ia32-libs or the libclearlooks has a problem
14:59<Alphawolf>i'm running lenny with kernel 2.6.32-bpo.5-amd64
14:59<Alphawolf>some ideas? :)
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15:01<alvarezp>Alphawolf: I'd try to apt-get update & upgrade to the system to make sure versions are ok. (and make sure you don't have some external repo that may be causing you version conflicts)
15:01<retrospectacus>Alphawolf: looks like you have this bug:
15:02<retrospectacus>try running thunderbird like this: GTK_PATH="/usr/lib32/gtk-2.0" thunderbird
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15:02<retrospectacus>Alphawolf: also try alvarezp's suggestion, it may be fixed
15:05<Alphawolf>this error is no error...
15:05<Alphawolf>it's the original thunderbird, not icedove
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15:06<Alphawolf>i want test some new features
15:06<retrospectacus>Alphawolf: parse error, I have no idea what you are talking about.
15:06<retrospectacus>Alphawolf> this error is no error... ...then what is it?
15:07<Alphawolf>your GTK_PATH has fixed it
15:07<Alphawolf>sorry, bad english
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15:10<Alphawolf>what do u think about linuxmint?
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15:11<retrospectacus>it's a distant relative of Debian, and quite popular and well-done. However it cannot be discussed here.
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15:13<Alphawolf>so it's no option to test
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15:13<Alphawolf>i'll try the experimental version of icedove
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15:16<Garp>question: there is a Chromium pkg in debian. Does it means that it's licence is fine and that the open source version is not a google spyware? Thanks for any informations.
15:17<retrospectacus>Garp: yes. see: apt-cache show chromium-browser
15:18<Garp>retrospectacus: thanks.
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15:58<stukad>trying to install debian lenny on a samsung N210 (has no cdrom) from a USB drive, getting "No common CD-ROM drive was detected" is there a workaround for that?
15:59<buffoon>stukad: I'd use a usb stick to install it then
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15:59<stukad>buffoon i do use a usb stick
15:59<stukad>but im getting "No common CD-ROM drive was detected"
16:00<supplicant>stukad: what instructions have you followed?
16:00<buffoon>i thought you're trying to use a usb-cdrom drive...
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16:01<buffoon>stukad: it would help then to know how you prepared your usb device...
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16:02<stukad>supplicant buffoon, something like that
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16:04<stukad>supplicant buffoon heres the right one i followed:
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16:07<buffoon>stukad: ok, I think your stick can boot the installer. Did you double check that it has the .iso image?
16:08<stukad>yes it does
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16:08<stukad>inside /mnt tho
16:08<buffoon>And did you copy it on the root dir of your stick? AFAIR it should be in the root dir of the stick
16:09<buffoon>maybe my information is outdated, but i did an etch install where the iso was in a sub directory and it didn't work...
16:09<stukad>well gonna try moving it and see if works
16:09<buffoon>good luck
16:10<buffoon>I think also there was a possibility to mount the iso manually but I don't remember where it should be mounted
16:10<qq->!usb install
16:10<dpkg>Yes, it is possible to install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see . To download USB stick images, ask me about <install debian>. to prepare from Windows. BIOS can't boot from USB? Use
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16:13<stukad>buffoon didnt work moving the iso, still giving me "No common CD-ROM drive was detected" after choosing the lang and keyboard layout
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16:15<stukad>!install debian
16:15<dpkg>There are a myriad different ways to install Debian. See for a list of images. Ask me about <install guide> and <d-i> for detailed instructions. (If you've never installed Debian before, you should read the install guide.)
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16:31<cesurasean>Anyone mind taking a look at my grub 2 error, which seems to bring me to a grub 2 rescue prompt? -
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16:36<behael>cesurasean: I guess you still have the old grub installed somewhere else. You might need a live CD and install grub2 from scratch. Just guessing
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16:38<behael>cesurasean: or try disconnect some of yours hard drive or change boot order at your bios, might help too.
16:38<cesurasean>behael, thx for your input.
16:38<cesurasean>im thinking it may need a reinstall, also. i'm not quite sure why after an upgrade though!
16:38<behael>ouch :(
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16:44<BlueG>I'm playing with squeeze and my clock doesn't seem to be updating automatically. How do I set this up?
16:44<dpkg>[ntp] Network Time Protocol, a protocol for synchronizing clocks of computer systems over a network. "aptitude install ntp" for basic usage, use "" as your NTP server if you don't have one of your own already. See also <set time>, <pool.ntp>.
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16:55<BlueG>I've also found an interesting bug where when I log in to Gnome (haven't tried any other DE) my cursor is invisible until I switch to a virtual terminal and back
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17:05<cesurasean>seems i had I/O errors on that server with the grub errors. maybe that's why grub couldn't find that file? :)
17:06<cesurasean>i hate rebooting.
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17:16<hachi>hi folks, does anyone know how to build either the netfilter-extensions-source or ipset-source packages for use with the debian shipped kernels, however they never have a debian/control file, only a debian/ file
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17:16<hachi>I tried to use m-a with them, but m-a just complains that they're not properly formed packages
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17:17<hachi>neither of them have a README or an INSTALL file in either the docs dir, or the source dir
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17:19<sney`>hachi: haven't had experience with either of those, but .in sounds like an autofoo file. is there anything like in the source dir?
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17:21<hachi>hum... maybe I'm supposed to use make-kpkg with these
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17:23<hachi>oh, these packages appear to be horribly out of date anyways
17:23<hachi>latest version in testing is 2.5, current version is 4.4
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17:27<fantomX>there are quite a lot packages out of date on debian....
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17:27<hachi>they both have the same maintainer, bleh
17:27<retrospectacus>that's why it's considered such a stable OS
17:27<sney`>usually for a good reason. not always, but usually
17:27<sney`>if you need bleeding edge versions of stuff there are options for you
17:27<hachi>bleeding edge?
17:28<hachi>last updated in 2008
17:28<sney`>brand freakin' new
17:28*sney` shrug
17:28<sney`>ask the maintainer. but there's ssb and all sorts of other ways you can bring software up to date when necessary
17:28<fantomX>well it is not a issue of stability if the cups-package is orphaned.
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17:36<bremner>fantomX: Maintainers for orphaned packages are always welcome.
17:39<BlueG>so, Squeeze just locked up on me, screen goes black, numlock light was still on, but num lock, scroll lock, and caps lock didn't do anything, had to hard boot with the power button. How would you describe that in a bug report?
17:39<bremner>BlueG: Did you try network access?
17:40<kooll>BlueG: complete lockup, numlock/scroll lock/caps lock non responsive . (although, I would have tried ctrl-alt-backspace, then network access, then sysrq keys, first)
17:43<BlueG>didn't have a convenient way to try network access, ctrl+alt+backspace and ctrl+alt+del didn't do anything, but I didn't think to try sysrq keys
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17:44<BlueG>I imagine it will crash again, how much helpful info would I get by trying network access and sysrq keys?
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17:45<kooll>BlueG: if it answers to network (at least ping), the kernel is still running a bit. if you can log on, of course, it means a lot of stuff works (and you probably just had a graphic driver bug)
17:46<pajarraca>k tal
17:46<kooll>BlueG: sysrq key will get similar info, if they respond, it means the kernel is still running, and the keyboard is still working (and indicates X or graphic driver error)
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17:47<kooll>BlueG: if nothing responds, either there's a full kernel panic, or it's hardware bug (or both, hard to separate)
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17:48<fantomX>hello :-)
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17:49<BlueG>kooll: can a graphics driver bug cause a full kernel panic?
17:49<fantomX>ola lida
17:49<dondelelcaro>BlueG: definetly
17:49<lida>qe lida no me llamoo
17:49<dondelelcaro>BlueG: though more likely it just hangs the entire machine
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17:49<kooll>BlueG: yes. most drivers can do that if they are buggy (they run in kernel space)
17:49<lida>qe diseee
17:50<lida>no entiendo naaaaaa
17:50<pajarraca>lidia soy yoo
17:50<lida>qe ablas pajarraca
17:50<fantomX>ola lidia ;-)
17:50<behael>dpkg: !spanish
17:50<dpkg>behael: wish i knew
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17:50<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
17:50<BlueG>dondelelcaro: how can you tell the difference between a full kernel panic, and "hanging the entire machine"
17:50<dondelelcaro>BlueG: because a panic throws a panic?
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17:51<lida>e dixooooooooo
17:51<dondelelcaro>lida: take it to #debian-es, not here
17:51<lidia>olaa aki no abla nadie o k pasa
17:51<streuner_>lida: stop that
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17:51<BlueG>dondelelcaro: how do you know when that happens? Would it display something on screen, or would it be logged?
17:52<dondelelcaro>BlueG: usually nothing
17:52<lidia>españolpor favor
17:52<dondelelcaro>BlueG: a panic will normally show up on the consol
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17:56<streuner_>lidia: +q means you cannot speak in this channel anymore...
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17:58<IcollectUnemployment>hey- dow does one become a package maintainer?
17:58<streuner_>its easier than you think
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17:58<IcollectUnemployment>what about an orphaned package?
17:58<IcollectUnemployment>I would like to see bitchx included as part of debian
17:59<retrospectacus>collecting unemployment helps :)
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17:59<streuner_>another troll here?
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17:59<IcollectUnemployment>i'm serious about contributing to the debian project
17:59<streuner_>well, bitchx isnt that popular in Debian...
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17:59<retrospectacus>ha good luck.... you will have to do a lot of upgarding to that project
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18:00<IcollectUnemployment>what would need to be upgraded?
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18:00<dpkg>BitchX is an old and unmaintained <IRC> client built on epic and ircII. It was abandoned by its upstream, has known security issues and was removed from Debian post-Etch to resolve bug #451373. Ask me instead about <irssi>, <xchat>, <konversation>, <weechat>. To ignore BitchX quit messages in irssi, ask me about <literal bitchxignore>.
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18:01<IcollectUnemployment>where can i see bug #451373
18:01<streuner_>so, good luck on that one...
18:01<streuner_>dpkg, bts
18:01<dpkg>Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try or . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges
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18:03<dondelelcaro>IcollectUnemployment: you're much better off using irssi and helping out in some better area
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18:03<IcollectUnemployment>how hard would it be to take irssi make it "look and feel" like bitchx?
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18:04<dondelelcaro>IcollectUnemployment: depends on what you mean by the look and feel of bitchx
18:04<dondelelcaro>honestly, irssi is far superiour to bitchx in almost every way, so usually, you're better off adapting to the way irssi does things
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18:04<IcollectUnemployment>i gues
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18:05<IcollectUnemployment>i just get nostalgic everytime i use bX
18:05<IcollectUnemployment>i was a big part of my youth
18:05<streuner_>forget history, future rules
18:05<IcollectUnemployment>i guess
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18:07<IcollectUnemployment>so how exactly does this work:
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18:07<Fantom>what is a release date of squeeze 6.0 ?
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18:08<streuner_>Fantom: when its ready
18:08<dondelelcaro>Fantom: debian doesn't do release dates. We release when it's ready; sooner if you help.
18:08<dpkg>well, siyh is Sooner If You Help. How? ,
18:08<Fantom>starcoder: this year?
18:08<dondelelcaro>Fantom: possibly
18:08<Fantom>dondelelcaro: i can help yes :)))))) of course
18:08<streuner_>Fantom: when all RC bugs are solved, nobody knows
18:09<dondelelcaro>I'd imagine it's probably 80% chance of happening within the next 4 months.
18:09<raki-8567>hello, i just started using debian 5, and i was wondering if it is possible to enable ext4 support without using a new kernel?
18:09<streuner_>maybe Debian needs kick, like the times in history
18:10<dondelelcaro>raki-8567: no, you need a new kernel
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18:10<streuner_>some people said, at sarge times, Debian is dead, after that Debian fixes everything
18:10<dondelelcaro>foolano: see
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18:11<raki-8567>dondelelcaro, ok, thanks for the info
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18:11<donattilio>hello guys
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18:12<donattilio>I'm an older user of debian, now i want to develop for debian in my spare time, anyone can help me :)
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18:12<streuner_>donattilio: welcome :-)
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18:13<dpkg>hmm... rc-alert is a tool (provided by the <devscripts> package) for monitoring Release-Critical bugs in installed packages. Look for packages with bugs listed in Testing or Unstable (e.g. rc-alert -d TU) and ask me about <bts> and <source> for details of how to help. See also <release-critical>.
18:13<themill>donattilio: ^^ fixing release-critical bugs is the most important thing you can do right now
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18:13<streuner_>donattilio: or just help here or in another channel
18:14<streuner_>donattilio: there are many ways
18:14<donattilio>nice :P
18:14<donattilio>i'm ready!
18:14<dondelelcaro>donattilio: or the link that I posted up above would be very helpful. Feel free to ask on #debian-mentors or me personally if you have patches that fix RC bugs that you need uploaded.
18:15<streuner_>donattilio: as themill already told you, fixing RC bugs is actually the most important part
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18:16<streuner_>donattilio: if you have knowledge about C or any other language it would be perfect
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18:17<donattilio>C or Java or C++
18:17<donattilio>what is the first step?
18:18<streuner_>just read what dondelelcaro told you
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18:18<ycr>hi everybody, my netbook is taking 6 minutes to start it stops in the bios where just hp appears.. after that time ubuntu starts and works pefectely..i just install bootchart with the same resutl nothing appear on my screen.
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18:20<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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18:24<ycr>hi everybody, my netbook is taking 6 minutes to start it stops in the bios where just hp appears.. after that time linux starts and works pefectely..i just install bootchart with the same resutl nothing appear on my screen.
18:24<angasule>is there a debian thinkpad channel?
18:24<streuner_>i doubt that
18:24<streuner_>but just read what dpkg tells you
18:24<streuner_>dpkg, laptops
18:24<dpkg>All there is worth knowing about Linux and laptops can be found at and . For Thinkpads, ask me about <thinkpad>. Also ask me about <acpi>, <laptop mode>, <netbook>, <pcmcia>, <suspend>. . See also the debian-laptop mailing list:
18:25<streuner_>thinkpads are very well supported and many Debian Users have issues...
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18:25<streuner_>they just usually hanging around in a Debian channel, i guess...
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18:26<streuner_>or you just read the help in forums
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18:28<streuner_>angasule: i heard of eeepc channels, but not for thinkpad
18:28<angasule>I know of thinkwiki and #thinkwiki@freenode thanks :)
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18:29<streuner_>angasule: maybe you should just ask here or at Freenode
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18:29<streuner_>as i said before, Debian Users use Thinkpads much
18:30<qq-> ##ibmthinkpad on
18:30<angasule>streuner_: yeap, I know :-) I don't have any actual questions yet
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18:30<angasule>I got my X201 today, I've been giddy all day
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18:32<ycr>hi everybody, my netbook is taking 6 minutes to start it stops in the bios where just hp appears.. after starting works pefectely..i just install bootchart with the same resutl nothing appear on my screen.
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18:33<streuner_>dpkg, repeat
18:33<dpkg>Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on
18:33<donattilio>ahha dpkg
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18:34<donattilio>good idea :P
18:34<themill>ycr: it sounds entirely unrelated to your distro but you should take this to #ubuntu on
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18:35<ycr>ok thanks
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18:36<donattilio>ycr, what hp u have?
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18:40<streuner_>your are confusing me, because you said first you want help Debian
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18:43<donattilio>but where i choose package to fix
18:43<ComradeHaz`>HI all. Just accidentally ran rm -r /foo/bar rather than /foo/bar/doo. I Ctrl^C'ed almost immediately and as far as I can tell it didn't get to remove anything but is there a way I can check for sure?
18:44<pipe>what filesystem do you use
18:45<donattilio>Seeking someone who addresses for the first time...
18:46<pipe>ComradeHaz`: Just compare the directory listing to your backup ;)
18:46<ycr>hp mini 110
18:47<ComradeHaz`>Yeah, done that for everything I have backed up, but a lot of it is 'non-critical' huge files - specifically TV recordings and DVD's and I can;t afford to back them up (financially or physically!)
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18:48<ComradeHaz`>It wouldn't be the end of the world to have lost any of it, but knowing what it is would be good so I know I need to get it again.
18:48<pipe>ComradeHaz`: I don't know for sure, but I don't think there's a way to see if anything was removed. But I'm definitely no expert.
18:48<pipe>ext3 and journaling etc.
18:48<ComradeHaz`>Yeah, I can;t think of a way
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18:49*ComradeHaz` considers setting an alias to rm that always spools rm -vvvvvvv to a log file
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18:49<pipe>But I mean, it should've had time to delete *something*
18:49<retrospectacus>alias rm -i is pretty popular
18:49<pipe>sounds very very annoying
18:49<BlueG>Ok, so it crashed again, didn't respond to ping, the only sysrq key that seemed to do anything was alt+sysrq+b
18:50<ComradeHaz`>hmm, retrospectacus thanks. Binding that now.
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18:54<retrospectacus>I believe it builds a list of files to delete first, may not have gotten to actual deletion
18:55<ComradeHaz`>retrospectacus: that is my hope.
18:55<pipe>Yeah, if there was lots of files
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18:57<ComradeHaz`>It was on a dir containing 2.3T
18:57<ComradeHaz`>So yeah, hopefully never got to deleting anything.
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18:59<retrospectacus>good chance :)
19:00<Nemoder>I always use the -r after the directory to give me that split second to make sure I typed it right
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19:02<ComradeHaz`>Aye, happened because I knew pressing tab would highlight the directory I wanted to delete (ie Archive and beginning with A was the top in the list) but I missed tab and hit caps lock but before I'd realised I'd hit enter with my little finger!
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19:05<pipe>just seeing the word makes me too upset to type something constructive
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19:06<pipe>it should have been obliterated and nuked from orbit 50 years ago
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19:15<donattilio>hey friend i can help debian?
19:15<franki^>I don't know, can you?
19:17<donattilio>i want to tried, but i need help for the first time
19:19<streuner_>donattilio: you are a lame troll, play somewhere else :-)
19:20<donattilio>if u want
19:20<donattilio>no problem
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19:20<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See
19:20<franki^>Are you offering help or asking for help? Both are welcome here, although you may want to visit #debian-it it could be more comfortable for you... If you're not a lame troll that is. :)
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19:25<donattilio>tnx franki^
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19:30<donattilio>streuner_ i'm a lame trool? i know now thanks to you!
19:31<streuner_>donattilio: well, you are a troll or just stupid
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19:36<donattilio>congratulations, you're usually insult without knowing
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19:37<donattilio>this is debian philosophy
19:38<streuner_>donattilio: no, thats MY op.
19:38*streuner_ is part of Debian as user, but it his own op.
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19:40<streuner_>donattilio: you dont have any idea about Debian philosophy or HOW Debian people think
19:41<themill>Perhaps we can keep this constructive…
19:41<streuner_>sure, i will keep my mouth
19:42<donattilio>ahha okay if you are sure.. no problem
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19:43<donattilio>you can continue to insult others who want help debian
19:43<abrotman>streuner_: please stop
19:45<donattilio>this is debian philosophy, guys. now i know
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19:46<f8l>donattilio: This is misunderstanding.
19:47<f8l>donattilio: Don't take opinion of one man as a Project's philosophy.
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19:51<donattilio>tnx man, of course
19:51<donattilio>i know debian, is not a man, is not a os, is a community
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19:52<starcoder><Fantom> starcoder: this year?
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20:50<stukad>trying to install debian lenny on a samsung N210 (has no cdrom) from a USB drive, getting "No common CD-ROM drive was detected" is there a workaround for that?
20:51<supplicant>stukad: back I see
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20:55<stukad>supplicant well that didnt tell me anything :P
20:55<supplicant>see the links at the bottom
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20:56<supplicant>maybe look at the instructions for installing to an NC10
20:56<supplicant>you could also try PXE booting to install
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20:58<supplicant>stukad: or this:
21:00<supplicant>unrelated, my debian server doesn't shutdown with `shutdown now`
21:00<supplicant>it seems the shutdown process exits with some error
21:00<qq->shutdown -h now
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21:01<supplicant>qq-: I have one thing to say about that: "DERP DERP"
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21:35<ag007>hey guys
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21:55<IcollectUnemployment>hey- i know this is kind of off topic- but how much of "linux" is linux, and how much of it is GNU?
21:56<ichdasic1>IcollectUnemployment: linux is a kernel. most of the userland usually used with the linux-kernel is gnu.
21:56<IcollectUnemployment>should we really be calling it GNU?
21:56<ichdasic1>IcollectUnemployment: linux _just_ a kernel.
21:56<ichdasic1>most of the software in debian is gnu.
21:57<IcollectUnemployment>should i pronounce it gee en yoo or ga-noo?
21:57<IcollectUnemployment>and how did you underline that in irc?
21:58<ichdasic1>pronunce it like this:
21:58<ichdasic1>and i typed _ just _ (without the spaces)
21:58<IcollectUnemployment>thanks man
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22:00<amakusa>since Xorg does not creata an /etc/X11/Xorg.conf file anymore, how do I make it so it creates one?
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22:01<amakusa>I remember there was a command such as "Xorg configure" but I can't remember what it is anymore
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22:04<qq->Xorg -configure :1
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22:12<amakusa>qq-: =D, that is actually what I meant, it gives me an error anyways
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22:33<qq->amakusa, which error ?
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---Logclosed Thu Oct 07 00:00:34 2010