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---Logopened Thu Oct 07 00:00:34 2010
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01:06<austinium>hi, what is the command to find the dependencies of any given .deb file?
01:08<musca>austinium: apt-cache depends <package>
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01:09<jm_>dpkg -f file.deb
01:09<dpkg>jm_: wish i knew
01:09<jm_>if you want to work directly with .deb files, otherwise apt-cache is a handier one
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01:09<austinium>thanks musca, jm_
01:10<austinium>i have some deb files which i want to install
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01:10<austinium>using dpkg -i pkgname.deb would break apt(?), so iam looking for a command to install the deb along with its dependencies
01:10<austinium>gdebi would have done this
01:10<austinium>but no GUI
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01:20<Nemoder>austinium: installing with dpkg wont break apt unless you force things that give errors
01:22<amitz>or apt-cacher-ng :-p
01:22<austinium>amitz?
01:23<austinium>amitz: yeah ok i just googled it
01:23<amitz>austinium: oh, that was in reply to using apt-cacher.
01:24<amitz>you can't really use it to install offline, if I guess correctly.
01:26<austinium>i across situations like this when the internet connection is unreliable, say i download virtualbox's deb from Oracle's website, try installing it on another machine , now vbox will have dependencies and those dependencies may have other dependencies(and so on), so just doing dpkg -i vbox.deb on the second machine would probably break things, as it would install the necessary dependencies
01:26<austinium>whoa, thats a lot of keystrokes ;)
01:26<austinium>i come across#
01:26<Nemoder>austinium: no, dpkg would give an error and not install it
01:26<jm_>indeed, it doesn't install dependencies
01:27<Nemoder>but it will tell you which ones it needs
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01:27<austinium>Memoder: yeah u r right, maybe theres this -f option which allows you to force installation(bad thing in n00b's hands)
01:27<jm_>any particular reason you are not using vbox from debian?
01:28<austinium>jm_ its just an example
01:28<austinium>sometimes one machine has a lmited dwnload bandwidth
01:28<austinium>and vbox is big
01:28<austinium>40MB+
01:28<austinium>we r talking bandwidth limits in the range of 100MB a day
01:29<Nemoder>austinium: if you have unreliable bandwidth you might consider setting up apt-cacher to share debs between local machines
01:29<austinium>sometimes i just copy the apt archives over
01:29<austinium>and then use dpkg
01:30<Nemoder>but then you have to chase deps
01:30<austinium>but there should be a command to install a deb along with it's dependencies
01:30<austinium>Memoder:yeah, i guess thats when i forced stuff and broke apt once
01:31<Nemoder>yes dont force, actually just doing -i once on a deb will mark it for installation so you can then run aptitude to fetch the rest of the deps
01:31<jm_>exactly
01:31<jm_>using aptitude afterwards typically helps
01:32<austinium>ok, so the right way to go would be to do dpkg -i first , that'll tell me the deps, then use apt to install those deps
01:32<austinium>?
01:32<austinium>apt or aptitude
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01:33<Nemoder>if you run aptitude afterwards it will know that you tried to install that deb and it will mark the deps for install as well
01:33<Nemoder>or it will yell at you if they dont exist in debian :)
01:34<Nemoder>as long as you dont force anything your system should be fine
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01:35<austinium>i hope one day storage media get big enough to squeeze in most of the repos ;) it will make lifes easier for those with no internt connection
01:36<jm_>you mean portable media?
01:36<Nemoder>you can order the full dvd set from places like linuxcentral
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01:38<austinium>i dont think linuxcentral delivers in India, even if they do it'll probably cost a lot
01:38<austinium>jm_: yes,removable media
01:38<jm_>austinium: there already are big enough discs, but they cost far too much to be worth it
01:38<jm_>though USB keys are getting there
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01:41<austinium>jm_: yup, <US$10 for a 4GB usb thumb drive here
01:41<Nemoder>austinium: http://debian.org/CD/vendors/#in
01:42<jm_>austinium: must be a slow one
01:42<austinium>yup, low end stuff
01:42<austinium>USB 2.0 though
01:43<jm_>ahh some are very slow even though the interface they use is usb 2.0
01:43<jm_>others are much faster
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01:45<austinium>another question: suppose iam installing a bunch of packages through dpkg -i , whats the option to prevent packages from being reinstalled?
01:46<austinium>thanks for the link Memoder
01:46<austinium>the thing is the places where Linux would make the most difference usually don't have internet connections
01:46<austinium>remote villages etc
01:47<austinium>we've got great internet connectivty in most urban areas all around the world
01:48<austinium>but as you move to the interiors, in some countries the availability of internet and people's ability to afford tends to diminish
01:48<Nemoder>still very true even in the USA
01:49<jm_>not that we'd want all rednecks accessing internet
01:50<Nemoder>morons come in all flavors, lots of smart people hiding out in the country too :)
01:51<austinium>application delivery on linux is mostly internet based, hardly anyone would Buy an OpenOffice CD(i dont know if one even exists), so if you are offline, its tough going
01:52<austinium>unless ofcourse you can buy the entire DVD set
01:52<Nemoder>openoffice is on the debian dvds
01:53<austinium>yes it is...that was just an example of an application
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01:54<austinium>but then i guess this is the way it'll remain, Canonical does a good thing...the way the mail out CDs for free
01:55<austinium>they#
01:55<Nemoder>perhaps there is a LUG near you that would do that too
01:56<Nemoder>and if you ever visit someplace with a better network connection you could download all the ISOs to your hard drive and burn as many discs as you like
01:58<austinium>yeah some organizations do mail out CD/DVDs for free here in India too
01:58<musca>austinium: you can generate download-scripts and fetch your needed dependencies with apt-zip
01:59<austinium>CDAC does it for BOSS GNU/Linux(its based on Debian)... i work there
01:59<austinium>thanks musca, i'll look that up
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02:05<austinium>with the last version we had we used to mail out a seperate utility CD, with all kind of stuff...apache, mysql...the works
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02:17<cesurasean>is there a way to reinstall ALL of my current packages installed by apt-get?
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02:19<jm_>!package reselect
02:19<dpkg>rumour has it, package reselect is 'dpkg --get-selections >file', 'sed -e"s/remove$/install/" file | dpkg --set-selections', then apt-get dselect-upgrade
02:19<jm_>ahh not that one
02:19<jm_>!reinstall everything
02:19<dpkg>well, reinstall everything is apt-get --reinstall install `COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l|grep ^ii|awk '{print $2}'`
02:19<jm_>so the answer would be yes
02:20<jm_>aptitude has reinstall command, much easier to use with its advanced pkg selections
02:20<austinium>good day people
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02:23<cesurasean>so, apt-get --reinstall install `COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l|grep ^ii|awk '{print $2}'` will reinstall EVERYTHING on my system?
02:27<cesurasean>where do i find these two keys? - '`
02:27<cesurasean>i cant ever seem to find that other one
02:27<cesurasean>' i can find
02:27<cesurasean>where is the other one at?
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02:29<cesurasean>plz help? hello?
02:29<cesurasean>jm_?
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02:33<pavi>Damned VCD , Unable to play it via VLC :(
02:33<pavi>Its a very old one with some tiny lil scratches .. any chances I can recover and store the file ?
02:34<jm_>cesurasean: help with what?
02:35<cesurasean>nothin
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02:37<cesurasean>i ran apt-get --reinstall install `COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l|grep ^ii|awk '{print $2}'`
02:37<cesurasean>and it says E; Invalid operation acpi-support-base
02:37<cesurasean>how do i reinstall everything on my system?
02:39<jm_>use aptitude instead
02:40<cesurasean>same command with aptitude?
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02:41<jm_>no, aptitude reinstall '~i' shall do the trick
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02:43<twb>In old fbgtk-enabled d-i installers, "fb=false" would disable fbgtk.
02:43<twb>Does this work for Squeeze X-flavoured GTK d-i installers? If not, what does?
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02:43<cesurasean>that command only worked on apt-get, but it wont install all packages
02:44<cesurasean>aptitude reinstall '~i'?
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02:44<twb>cesurasean: you probaby want a '~i!~V' for good measure
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02:46<cesurasean>its complaing that it cant download some packages
02:46<cesurasean>and the ethernet doesnt work
02:48<cesurasean>any ideas?
02:48<cesurasean>do i have to create a squeeze dvd, and then add that to sources.list?
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02:55<Keefe>i'm trying to upgrade a graphics card in my debian squeeze pc, but cannot get a graphical screen with the new card (ATI 5970), only a text console (alt-F1). when i go back to the previous graphics card (ATI 5770), graphics screen works fine. both cards are in the same gpu family (Evergreen / R8xx). i'm using fglrx-driver (catalyst 10.7). both cards work fine in windows xp on this same pc
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02:55<Keefe>where should i look to determine the problem?
02:56<Keefe>is there something i'm supposed to change in my xorg.conf before changing cards?
02:57<Keefe>i'm working on getting dmesg dumps to compare...
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02:59<cesurasean>E: I wasn't able to locate file for the linux-image-2.6.26-2-686 package. This might mean you need to manually fix this package.
03:00<cesurasean>tmb, how do i omit this package from the '~i!~V'
03:00<cesurasean>?
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03:03<jm_>Keefe: start with x logfile
03:03<cesurasean>jm_, how can i omit one of the older kernels when i boot?
03:03<cesurasean>i mean when i mass install everything using apt-get again
03:04<jm_>cesurasean: why not uninstall the package if you don't want to use it?
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03:11<cesurasean>i do want to use it, its an older lenny package though
03:11<cesurasean>so the command to update everytrhing isnt working
03:11<cesurasean>because of the old kernel
03:11<cesurasean>its the only way i can get the box back on the internet, etc
03:12<jm_>reinstalling is unlikely to fix anything
03:13<jm_>in any case, you can create a more advanced package selection expression for aptitude
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03:23<Keefe>jm_, thanks. checking the x log at least gives me a clue
03:23<Keefe>(EE) No devices detected.
03:23<Keefe>no screens found
03:23<jm_>Keefe: does it list supported devices?
03:23<Keefe>in the log?
03:23<jm_>well either in the log or in some readme file
03:23<jm_>or maybe man page
03:23<Keefe>i'll check that out...
03:24<Keefe>it's not the very latest version of fglrx, i'd have to go to the sid depo for that
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03:27<cesurasean>can someone tell me why im getting this message when i post: this is not an old question, please help if you can! - http://pastebin.ca/1956288
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03:43<Keefe>jm_, i figured it out. it wasn't that fglrx 10.7 doesn't support the 5970. i just had to use lspci to determine the new bus id and manually edit xorg.conf :o
03:43<jm_>Keefe: that's so 2006 ;)
03:43<Keefe>ugh
03:43<jm_>you mean you had bus id specified in there from the past?
03:43<Keefe>for the 5770
03:44<jm_>try removing it and see if it works without it - it probably will
03:44<Keefe>it's a clean install of squeeze and fglrx
03:44<Keefe>i didn't add that bus id ref myself
03:44<jm_>yeah just comment it out and test
03:44<Keefe>but apparenly i'm expected to change
03:44<Keefe>it
03:44<Keefe>ok
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04:18<saleem>hi
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04:19<saleem>can i remove grub2 and install grub-legacy on squeeze without any major issues?
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06:16<fl0w_>hi, does anyone use KVM for virtualization?
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06:19<EmleyMoor>fl0w_: I do
06:20<fl0w_>EmleyMoor: did you try live vCPU allocation?
06:20<EmleyMoor>Don't even know what that means
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06:21<fl0w_>EmleyMoor: live provisioning of CPU resources
06:21<fl0w_>i saw that KVM supported this feature but i can't get details on their website
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06:38<pipe>I can't really understand why this would be needed or even wanted
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06:39<pipe>As it is now, you set the number of vcpus per guest, but if it's idling, the other machines can of course use the resources
06:39<pipe>Or do you mean that they are fixed, but that you can manually change them without restarting the guest?
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06:40<fl0w_>pipe: you're right, that's the feature i'm looking for
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07:49<kl4q>hey #debian, i'm running debian squeeze and i'm trying to make my 5.1 speakers work on my laptop (Studio 1555). It has two audio outputs and one mic input that i should reprogram as out. How do I do it?
07:49<jm_>check if there's a toggle in alsamixer or somesuch
07:50<kl4q>i haven't found anything yet
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07:52<kl4q>any other advices?
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09:08<asterix963_>hi all
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09:08<asterix963_>anyone there?
09:09<pipe>lots and lots
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09:09<asterix963_>i want to update my pc to lenny 5.0.6
09:09<asterix963_>i have downloaded the update dvd
09:10<asterix963_>any one tell me how to do it properly
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09:11<asterix963>hello friends
09:11<pipe>asterix963: read the topic please
09:11<pipe>/msg bots NOT people
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09:11<asterix963>where
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09:11<asterix963>?
09:12<asterix963>:(
09:12<asterix963>i am a new user
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09:13<asterix963>please some one help
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09:17<asterix963>hello
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09:17<icebrain>!ask
09:17<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
09:17<pipe>When you join the channel you will see a topic for the channel. I can't help yoy if you can't find that, because either you use a strange IRC client or you can't read instructions.
09:18<asterix963>sorry i am not familiar with irc
09:18<asterix963>thank you dpkg
09:19<supplicant>asterix963: dpkg is a bot
09:19<supplicant>!install
09:19<dpkg>There are a myriad different ways to install Debian. See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer for a list of images. Ask me about <install guide> and <d-i> for detailed instructions. (If you've never installed Debian before, you should read the install guide.)
09:19<asterix963>ohh okey
09:19<supplicant>!tell asterix963 about install guide
09:20<asterix963>ok
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09:21<asterix963>i have lenny 5.0.0
09:22<asterix963>and i want to update it to 5.0.6
09:22<supplicant>asterix963: then you don't need to do anything
09:23<asterix963>?
09:23<themill>asterix963: if you could pastebin the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list that would be handy.
09:23<themill>dpkg: tell asterix963 about pastebin
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09:38<fl0w_>did someone try live VLANs allocation with kvm?
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09:55<simon_q>any point me to a how to for bnx2 netqwork install from a pxe server pulling my hair out!
09:55<xgj168>hi
09:55<simon_q>hi
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09:56<buckston>casdtfygujkol
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09:56<buckston>Preved from IRC
09:56<themill>buckston: do you have a debian support question we can help you with?
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09:57<themill>simon_q: I presume you know that firmware is required for that network card?
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09:57<buckston>Yes
09:58<simon_q>themill: Yes I have already re created initrd.gz with the firmware but it fails to get passed the networking config and therefore doesnt find the preseeding file
09:58<themill>simon_q: and you've already found http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetbootFirmware too, I presume
09:59<simon_q>themill: Yes this is what I followed to recreate init
09:59<jhutchins_lt>simon_q: Which release are you on?
09:59<simon_q>lenny debian 5
10:00<themill>simon_q: ahh.... well that's the limit of my knowledge on the subject.
10:00<simon_q>themill: thanks anyhow
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10:01<simon_q>themill: actually that link you sent is slightly different ill give it ago see what happens
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10:01<themill>simon_q: good luck :)
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10:10<simon_q>thmill: nope no luck same problem back to hair pulling but thanks anyhow
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10:12<themill>:(
10:13<simon_q>themill: all becasue bnx2 got removed ;)
10:13<simon_q>grrr
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10:16<buckston>Hi all
10:17<fl0w_>Hi buckston
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10:18<fime>hi, it's fima
10:18<pipe>I'm glad you told us
10:18<pipe>this is pipe
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10:20<tom4golf>anyone have experience getting cmus to play audio remotely using screen or ssh -X ?
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10:21<fimston_1>fimston_1 - it's me
10:21<buckston>Y glad to see Yuo fimston_1
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10:23<fimston_1>you should write i'm glad
10:24<themill>fimston_1, ichat_system, ichat_system_1, fime: perhaps you were looking for #moocows for somewhere to chat?
10:25<fimston_1>we don't think so
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10:26<fimston_1>Плывет баржа, народу на ней тысча, и у каждого сифилис
10:27-!-mode/#debian [+q *!*@174.36.234.43] by ChanServ
10:27<themill>fimston_1: please play elsewhere.
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10:28<buckston>вот мудак
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10:29<themill>buckston: perhaps you'd like to find a different channel to swear at people in.
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10:44<AlBiTa>olaa
10:45<AlBiTa>alba
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10:46<RmN> anyone know how to change the position, width and size of the terminal for every time I open the terminal it continues with the settings that I did? (debian lenny)
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10:48<LuisV>hello folks, Debian Lenny with gnome desktop, no audio themes (log in, log out, etc) video and audio files sound it ok,
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11:21<Manchala>Hi
11:21<Manchala>i am new on linux :D
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11:22<Caro>ola
11:22<Manchala>hi
11:22<Manchala>i am new on linux :)
11:23<Caro>do you speak in spain?
11:23<Manchala>no
11:23<Manchala>i can speak in english :(
11:23<Manchala>:)
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11:23<Manchala>welcoe in chk
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11:24<RmN> anyone know how to change the position, width and size of the terminal for every time I open the terminal it continues with the settings that I did? (debian lenny)
11:24<Caro>im speak spain and muy poco
11:25<supplicant>!es
11:25<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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11:25<Caro>im speak poco in english
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11:26<supplicant>yes, I understand you speak a little English. I understand a little spanish. but if you have a question
11:26<supplicant>!ask
11:26<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
11:26<fl0w_>Caro: join #debian-es
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11:26<Caro>any body in spain?
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11:27<fl0w_>Caro: hay un canal en espanol en #debian-es
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11:29<Caro>thank you
11:29<fl0w_>Caro: de nada ;)
11:29<RmN> anyone know how to change the position, width and size of the terminal for every time I open the terminal it continues with the settings that I did? (debian lenny)
11:29<Caro>flow ypu speak spain?
11:30<fl0w_>Caro: un poco, soy frances ;)
11:30<fl0w_>RmN: you already ask a few minutes earlier
11:31<Caro>aah frances
11:31<LuisV> hello folks, Debian Lenny with gnome desktop, no audio themes (login, logout, etc) video and audio files sound it ok,
11:31<Caro>yo estoy aprendiendo frances
11:31<Caro>çava? jajaa se muy poco
11:31<fl0w_>Caro: Okay :)
11:31<fl0w_>LuisV: already asked too!
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11:32<Caro>:)
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11:34<RmN>flOw_ ninguem me ajuda
11:34<LuisV>fl0w_, about what? [_]P
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11:34<Manchala>:D
11:34<Manchala>hi
11:34<Caro>hellou
11:34<fl0w_>RmN: wait that someone goes idle ton active and read your question
11:34<fl0w_>maybe nobody has a solution for you
11:34<fl0w_>it could happen
11:35<Manchala>how are you caro
11:35<LuisV>fl0w_, ok bro, thank;s
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11:35<fl0w_>anyway, see you later, hasta luego Caro
11:35<LuisV>hasta la vista baby
11:35<Manchala>:(
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11:36<Caro>luis
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11:36<LuisV>Ca yes/
11:36<Caro>ablas español
11:36<Caro>??
11:36<jhutchins_lt>!es
11:36<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
11:37<RmN>I change the position of the terminal, width and size when I click again the terminal back to the normal settings!
11:37<jhutchins_lt>Right, you have to save it somehow.
11:37<Caro>alguien español?
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11:37<jhutchins_lt>Caro: No.
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11:38<jhutchins_lt>Caro: En este canal habla solo Ingles.
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11:39<Caro>esque no se meeterme en otro canal :(
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11:41<sidro>hi
11:41<Caro>hi
11:41<sidro>How to remove a package without deps
11:41<sidro>?
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11:42<sidro>If I use aptitude for my packages is ok to remove a package with dpkg?
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11:43<Caro>bay
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11:44<supplicant>sidro: a package without deps? without removing the deps?
11:45<supplicant>apt-get remove pkgname
11:45<imperium>hello, if i want to use 32bit libraries (extracted using dpkg -x) on 64bit debian, where should i put those files(by debian way)?
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11:46<mjt>that's not the debian way to start with
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11:47<imperium>i cant use --force-arch
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11:47<imperium>it will replace the lib64
11:47<imperium>*386 package will replace amd64
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11:49<mjt>which libs it is?
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11:49<mjt>and what do you want them for?
11:50<imperium>libmotif4
11:50<mjt>i ask because some libs are provided
11:50<imperium>i want to run citrix client
11:50<mjt>oh. that's whole x stuff
11:50<mjt>better run it in a 32bit chroot
11:50<imperium>citrix itself is 386 package :(
11:51<imperium>can u point me to the right direction using chroot, mjt?
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11:52<mjt>citrix client - isn't it just rdesktop?
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11:53<mjt>probably not :)
11:53<phobot>rdesktop is RDP client if im not mistaking
11:53<mjt>yes
11:54<imperium>ok, i'll google again. thx mjt
11:55<mjt>debootstrap can be used to create a chroot of any debian-based distro
11:55<mjt>but that wont be trivial - whole thing i mean, from creating chroot to running real x apps inside
11:55<mjt>and i'm not sure which is actually easier.
11:56<mjt>you can dump a bunch of libs into /usr/local/lib32/ for example
11:56<imperium>can i install another 32bit app on the same chroot?
11:56<mjt>yes
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12:03<mjt>imperium: btw, can't you use java version ?
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12:04<imperium>is there a java version?
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12:07<imperium>theres java version for retriever, i dont know is it same or not
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12:16<sidro>apt-get remove pkgname
12:16<sidro>will remove package with deps
12:16<sidro>I want only to remove pkgname not deps
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12:21<jthomas_sb>i cannot boot my virtual box, running Sid. Can anyone assist? I've reboted and I've tried to "m-a a-i virtualbox-ose-source" but I keep getting the error " FATAL: Error inserting vboxnetflt (/lib/modules/2.6.32-3-686/misc/vboxnetflt.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)" I've tried with 2.6.32-3 and 2.6.32-5, no go :(
12:22<jthomas_sb>sidro maybe remove and then reinstall those deps?
12:23<sidro>nop
12:23<sidro>if i install deps apt-get or aptitude will install all package
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12:26<jthomas_sb>i don't understand what you're asking sidro
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12:33<LuisV>Hi there, Debian Lenny with gnome desktop, no audio themes working (log in, log out, etc) video and audio files sound perfect, My pc: P4, HT (desktop), 1G ram. sound card bundled with motherboard
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12:39<sidro>jthomas_sb: I want to remove a pkg without deps
12:39<sidro>apt-get remove pkgname
12:39<sidro>don`t work
12:39<jthomas_sb>i get that, so remove it and reinstall the deps, no? why not?
12:39<sidro>APT will remove all deps
12:40<jthomas_sb>so reinstall all
12:40<cthuluh>unmarkauto the deps, then remove the package
12:40<sidro>Because If i will install deps APT will install the pkg unwanted
12:40<jthomas_sb>then it is a dependency
12:41<sidro>and
12:41<sidro>?
12:41<jthomas_sb>if others want to install it, the package is needed
12:41<sidro>Don`t work will reinstall the deps
12:41<sidro>no
12:41<sidro>If I want to remove Abiword APT will remove Gnome
12:42<sidro>why?
12:42<sidro>Abiword isn`t a needed pkg
12:42<sidro>for gnome
12:42<imperium>gnome depends on abiword
12:42<themill>sidro: because the gnome meta-package depends on gnome. Your gnome desktop does not depend on abiword though. /msg dpkg unmarkauto; /msg dpkg install gnome
12:42<sidro>I need to remove Abiword without deps
12:42<jthomas_sb>i am not sure, is there a #debian-gnome channel? there is #debian-kde ...
12:43<sidro>WWhy APT want to remove gnome If I want to remve Abiword?
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12:44<sidro>*remove
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12:46<carmen>olaaaaaaaa
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12:46<carmen>estas
12:46<carmen>estq
12:46<carmen>esta
12:46<themill>!es-social carmen
12:46<dpkg>carmen: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
12:46<carmen>soy soy caremen
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12:50<deliver>aptosid?
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12:50<themill>deliver: #aptosid
12:50<deliver>thy
12:51<amitz>any recommended image reader that can read compressed image (zipped of multiple image files)? My current choice is comix
12:51<amitz>squeeze
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12:52<deliver>Wähle vormals abgewähltes Paket fll-live-xorgconfig.
12:52<deliver>Entpacke fll-live-xorgconfig (aus .../fll-live-xorgconfig_3.9.7_all.deb) ...
12:52<deliver>############################################################
12:52<deliver>Installing this package is dangerous and not supported!
12:52<deliver>Aborting installation.
12:52<deliver>############################################################
12:52<deliver>dpkg: Fehler beim Bearbeiten von /var/cache/apt/archives/fll-live-xorgconfig_3.9.7_all.deb (--unpack):
12:52<dpkg>deliver: You are person #2 to send an unparseable request
12:52<deliver> Unterprozess neues pre-installation-Skript gab den Fehlerwert 1 zurück
12:53<deliver>configured to not write apport reports
12:53<deliver> Wähle vormals abgewähltes Paket gconf-cleaner.
12:53<themill>deliver: stop!
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12:57<LuisV>ok gotta go, see you all later
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12:58<nebus>list
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13:04<clapton_>hola
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13:05<roryclw>I need some help with a wireless usb stick with a r8192s (Realtek) chiop
13:05<roryclw>chip
13:05<roryclw>I can load the module but no interface is made
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13:07<roryclw>I get usbcore: registered new interface driver for rtl819xU, but I have no net interface accordingly
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13:12<imperium>have u install its firmware?
13:12<roryclw>yes
13:13<roryclw>imperium: yep, I've got the firmware from http://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x page
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13:14<roryclw>dmesg isn't complaining about missing firmware
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13:15<roryclw>mmm interesting : if I move the firmware images out of the way it doesn't complain about them being missing
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13:18<retrospectacus>you tried ifconfig -a rory?
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13:20<zeponi>helo
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13:21<zeponi>can i post any error with squeeze here?
13:21<supplicant>!tell zeponi about pastebin
13:21<retrospectacus>zeponi: you may ask here, please use a pastebin to post
13:22<zeponi>this error http://pastebin.com/ygr87zVT
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13:24<zeponi>i got commands in this site http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary#Squeeze
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13:29<jhutchins_lt>zeponi: Look at lines 52 & 53
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13:29<jhutchins_lt>!tell zeponi about local errors.
13:29<jhutchins_lt>!tell zeponi about local errors
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13:42<cesurasean>Ok, for some reason when I reboot my machine, Webmin fails to load. Can someone explain what I've done to break this? I've tried reinstalling webmin, with no luck?
13:42<cesurasean>Stopping Webmin server in /usr/share/webmin
13:42<cesurasean>kill: 4: No such process
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13:42<phoenix>help
13:43<retrospectacus>cesurasean: remember all those other times you asked here about your webmin problems?
13:43<retrospectacus>and we said "don't use webmin"
13:43<jhutchins_lt>cesurasean: We explained webmin to you before.
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13:43<retrospectacus>!tell phoenix -about ask
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13:43<phoenix>sorry not this window :)
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13:44<cesurasean>guy';s this doesnt seem to be a webmin problem.
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13:45<cesurasean>/etc/init.d/webmin restart - starts webmin just fine! why doesn't this happen at runtime? Is there a log I can view to find out?
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13:47<jhutchins_lt>No, it's a cesurasean problem. You don't listen when we try to help.
13:47<zeponi>jhutchins_lt, this http://pastebin.com/u6py2Mu5
13:47<cesurasean>telling me NOT to use webmin is NOT going to fix anything.
13:47<cesurasean>understood?
13:48<jhutchins_lt>No.
13:48<jhutchins_lt>There are other options that actually work and don't destroy your system.
13:49<jhutchins_lt>If you want help with webmin, go to #webmin.
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13:51<cesurasean>Ok, let me ask a generic question then.
13:52<cesurasean>Inside /etc/init.d/, I have a start up script. Why does it not start at run time? When i run manually /etc/init.d/blah start. It works.
13:52<cesurasean>what could be the issue causing that file not to boot with runtime?
13:52<cesurasean>sorry for speaking of webmin in here.
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13:52<jhutchins_lt>Because it's WEBMIN!
13:53<cesurasean>what?
13:53<cesurasean>it's not webmin
13:53<jhutchins_lt>zeponi: That says you have invalid code in kcl_ioctl.c - but that may not be the actual error.
13:53<cesurasean>we quit speaking about webmni a few moments ago
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13:53<cesurasean>this is a mystery program doing this....
13:53<jhutchins_lt>zeponi: You might find someone who knows what the problem is in #ati
13:53<jhutchins_lt>cesurasean: You're not fooling anyone.
13:54<cesurasean>WHY would i be able to start /etc/init.d/blah restart, but it wouldnt run at runtime of server?
13:54<jhutchins_lt>cesurasean: The reason is that "blah" is bad, non-debian code.
13:54<cesurasean>can someone point me in the right direction
13:54<zeponi>thanks jhutchins_lt
13:54<cesurasean>chmod, and chown are correct on the file in question
13:54<jhutchins_lt>cesurasean: We've already told you, use debian tested code.
13:54<kristianpaul>Hello, How i can fix in squeeze that the gnome network manager show a connected incon when my etherner is linked up?
13:54<kristianpaul>i heard is soemthin in /etc/networking but no more
13:55<cesurasean>jhutchins_lt, i believe i had installed it from the debian repo
13:55<kristianpaul>i need use empathy it wonr run because of it
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13:55<elements1>cesurasean: startup scripts in /etc/init.d are scripts that CAN be started up at startup, but it doesn't mean they're set to be started.
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13:55<retrospectacus>cesurasean: read: man update-rc.d
13:55<elements1>Read up on update-rc.d
13:55<elements1>lol, what he said.
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13:56<jhutchins_lt>!webmin
13:56<dpkg>Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See http://bugs.debian.org/343897 about the removal from Debian. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality. See <free whcp> for alternatives.
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13:56<Elessar>Hello.
13:56<tash>cesurasean did you already check de
13:56<elements1>update-rc.d allows you to enable and disable scripts on bootup. Better make sure webmin is ok with you doing that though.
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13:57<tash>the update-rc ?
13:57<elements1>Well, not necessarily just bootup, but you get the picture.
13:57<Elessar>I have aptitude and apt-get complaining in a strange way:
13:57<Elessar>E: Release file expired, ignoring http://ftp.proxad.net/mirrors/ftp.debian.org/dists/squeeze/Release (invalid since 1d 15h 38min 45s)
13:57<Elessar>Does that mean anything to you?
13:57<retrospectacus>update
13:57<Guest1901>It sounds like it's implying that the mirror is stale
13:57<Elessar>I am doing an update, this is where it appears. :-)
13:57<Guest1901>ugh, when did I get Guested
13:58<jhutchins_lt>elements1: If he were to use a package supported by debian, not only would we be able to help him better, but it would probably actually work.
13:58<Elessar>Well, actually, I do not use this mirror anymore!
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13:58<Elessar>My sources.list: <http://paste.debian.net/94166/>.
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13:58<Elessar>This is the most funny: I replaced that mirror with another one, and the error did not change at all.
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13:59<LuisV>Hi there everyone, I'm running Debian Lenny with gnome desktop, no audio themes working (log in, log out, etc) video and audio files sound perfect, My pc: P4, HT (desktop), 1G ram. sound card bundled with motherboard
13:59<cesurasean>how do i use update-rc.d? - update-rc.d enable webmin?
13:59<jhutchins_lt>LuisV: What about other audio?
13:59<maxb>Elessar: You still have a deb-src line referencing that mirror
14:00<jhutchins_lt>cesurasean: You know how to use man pages.
14:00<Elessar>Oh, yes, indeed.
14:00<LuisV>jhutchins_lt, other sound , like mp3 files, movies sound ok
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14:02<jhutchins_lt>LuisV: I avoid gnome like the plague, but this would suggest that you need to enable system sounds in gnome's control panel.
14:02<Elessar>Okay, solved. Thanks.
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14:02<LuisV>jhutchins_lt, thanks, but I already did that
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14:03<imperium>how do i setup gnome sound themes?
14:05<jhutchins_lt>Elessar: What was it?
14:05<cesurasean>retrospectacus, thank you. update-rc.d fixed it. thank you! :)
14:05<Elessar>References to that stale mirror in my deb-src lines.
14:05<LuisV>jhutchins_lt, do you know some debian user with gnome "sound theme" working?
14:05<cesurasean>and, thank you for not being a dickface because it was a webmin ON A DEBIAN system. :)
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14:06<retrospectacus>cesurasean: sorry about your shitty webthing
14:06<retrospectacus>hee hee
14:06<cesurasean>it's not webmin prolem
14:06<cesurasean>problem
14:06<retrospectacus>I know it wasn't
14:07<cesurasean>i had removed /etc/init.d/webmin during upgrad, since debian was bitch, and that was the issue
14:07<retrospectacus>I just feel bad for you for "having" to use it
14:07<jhutchins_lt>No surprize that a debian upgrade wasn't compatible with a package that isn't compatible with debian.
14:07<jhutchins_lt>retrospectacus: There are other perfectly good alternatives.
14:07<cesurasean>jhutchins_lt, what exactly makes it not compatible?
14:08<jhutchins_lt>The fact that it doesn't meet the quality standards for debian. It's bad code. Which we have told you before.
14:08<LuisV>there are in here somebody with gnome environment an gnome-sound-theme working ok? I want to know for sure, maybe is an unsolved bug?
14:09<cesurasean>bad code doesnt mean its not compatible
14:09<cesurasean>you are just being bias, and ignorant.
14:09<supplicant>LuisV: sound on startup and shutdown is something I've never heard, although I don't know if I have such a theme
14:09<supplicant>is it default?
14:09<imperium>default debian gnome sound theme only for alert sound
14:09<bremner>cesurasean: why don't you ask for help in the webmin forums?
14:09<jhutchins_lt>cesurasean: I've had to support webmin for a client. I know what it does. I know why other packages are in debian and it isn't.
14:10<supplicant>cesurasean: debian doesn't support crap products, ask the maintainers of the product in question
14:10<jhutchins_lt>cesurasean: You just don't like hearing the truth.
14:10<cesurasean>it's not in debian anymore, because people complained. not because of bad code.
14:10<cesurasean>ive already read the bug about it.
14:10<cesurasean>and wasn't very happy.
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14:10<bremner>we don't actually need to know if it is crap or not, but if it isn't in debian, you should ask the authors for support
14:10<jhutchins_lt>bremner: He asks in multiple forums until he gets an answer he likes, then he's back in 15 mintues with the next problem.
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14:11<bremner>ah, I'm reminded why I got the ignore module for znc working
14:11<retrospectacus>LuisV: I've never had a gnome sound theme. In my sound prefs that stuff is all greyed out.
14:11<cesurasean>jhutchins_lt, are you on your period for this month? i can smell your vagina bleeding from here...
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14:11<Nick>Hey Guys I need help
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14:12<supplicant>!ask
14:12<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
14:12<LuisV>retrospectacus, is grayed out coz you must install it manually
14:12<retrospectacus>in that case you are farther ahead than me, and I can't help you... I'll just hang around back here
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14:13<Nick>I have a partition where Linux is installed but cant boot with that partition. Grub in not loading . what to do?
14:13<jhutchins_lt>cesurasean: ...and you wonder why the experienced users don't want to help you any more.
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14:14<cesurasean>who says they don't want to help me? speak for yourself.
14:14<LuisV>retrospectacus, ok bro, anyway isn't a big deal for me, I just being curious (like george the monkey)
14:14<Nick>hey
14:14<Nick>Luisv
14:14<Nick>help me
14:14<supplicant>Nick: ?
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14:15<supplicant>are you dual booting?
14:15<Nick>i am using Live CD
14:15<LuisV>Nick, I'm sorry man, like you I'm looking for help
14:15<retrospectacus>Nick: like dpkg told you, don't choose one person to ask
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14:15<Nick>Ok
14:16<Nick>anyone here who can help me to sort this out
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14:16<supplicant>Nick: you have a debian live cd? that doesn't boot?
14:16<supplicant>the live cd itself won't boot?
14:16<Nick>no this is Ubuntu
14:17<supplicant>!ubuntu
14:17<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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14:17<Nick>OK
14:17<mjt>well, grub works the same way in ubuntu
14:17<supplicant>Nick: did you recently upgrade?
14:17<Nick>yes thats correct
14:18<mjt>but "grub is not loading" is not a description of a problem
14:18<kristianpaul>ahh solveed http://live.gnome.org/DarrenAlbers/NetworkManagerFAQ#My_Card_is_not_recognized_by_NetworkManager_and_I_am_running_Debian_or_Ubuntu: ")
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14:18<Nick>I had upgrade a lot in that partition but couldn't load to that one
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14:18<jhutchins_lt>mjt: Actually Ubuntu uses a different vesion of grub.
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14:18<mjt>for me, "grub is not loading" is a very good sign, since I don't use grub, and for me "grub is loading" will be a very serious error...
14:19<Nick>I mean unable to boot into that partition.
14:19<retrospectacus>mjt: good input
14:20<mjt>but i'm shutting up now, since i don't use and don't actually know grub, and dislike it.
14:20<Nick>NO menu appears for OS selection. It just boots Windows directly
14:20<supplicant>describe the exact steps you are taking. an acquaintance recently updated their ubuntu install and it became unbootable, although he made it past grub
14:20<retrospectacus>Nick: you ar running ubuntu-live on the machine now?
14:20<LuisV>ok bye, guys have a nice weekend, I,m going to look for info about the gnome-sound-theme, thanks for you time [_]P
14:20<Nick>yes
14:20<devil>Nick: guessing its grub-common, what version is it?
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14:21<Nick>supplicant: i think same is happening with me
14:21<retrospectacus>Nick: open a terminal and run "grub" to get the grub prompt
14:22<mjt>it is booting into windows :)
14:22<mjt>no terminal there
14:22<Nick>Probing devices to guess BIOS drives. This may take some time
14:22<retrospectacus>I could have sworn mjt said he wasn't talking anymore...
14:22<mjt>i booted into windows a while back. very foreign OS. No tools to do anything. Very unfriendly...
14:23<mjt>can't resist
14:23<Nick>what about my prob
14:23<devil>Nick: what version?
14:23<Nick>yeah retrospectacus I am on grub prompt
14:24<Nick>Ubuntu 8.0
14:24<mjt>from 'doze? or from a live cd?
14:24<devil>Nick: no, grub
14:24<Nick>no....
14:24<retrospectacus>Nick: next try "find /boot/grub/stage1"
14:24<Nick>ok
14:24<supplicant>Ubuntu 8 would have grub legacy
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14:24<mjt>ubuntu8 is quite old too
14:25<retrospectacus>Nick: did it find anything
14:25<mjt>but should be enough
14:25<Nick>yes it says hd0,5
14:25<devil>supplicant: right
14:25<retrospectacus>awesome
14:25<Nick>now
14:25<retrospectacus>Nick: now, enter "root (hd0,5)"
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14:26<Nick>ok
14:26<mjt>setup (hd0)
14:26<mjt>oops
14:26<retrospectacus>Nick: now, "setup (hd0)"
14:26<retrospectacus>then quit, eject, reboot
14:26<Nick>succeded
14:26<mjt>and check /boot/grub/menu.lst before reboot
14:27<mjt>(me is staying silent)
14:27<retrospectacus>you could do that but you have to mount the HDD and find that file
14:27<retrospectacus>it is not where he sayd
14:27<mjt>it's on sda5
14:28<Nick>what
14:28<mjt>or hda5 if ubuntu is that old...
14:28<Nick>am i missing anything
14:28<retrospectacus>Nick: just try rebooting, it should get to grub at least, it may not boot the OS until you edit that file he is talking about
14:28<Nick>Ok ....
14:29<Nick>see you soon
14:29<Nick>thnx
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14:29<mjt>retrospectacus: besides... will it work if the grub version in the live cd is "sufficiently" different from the one installed in /dev/hd5?
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14:29<mjt>i never used grub so.. bear with me :)
14:30<retrospectacus>should be ok, I didn't catch what OS he is actually running on the HDD... but it's grub-legacy anyways, should be ok
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14:31<mjt>good
14:31<mjt>(don't ask me why i know "setup (hd0)" or even menu.lst.. i don't remember..)
14:32<weasel>grub1++
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14:32<Nick>Hey there
14:32<mjt>wb Nick
14:33<Nick>Thanks man
14:33<Nick>I am IN
14:33<mjt>YES
14:33<retrospectacus>nice
14:33<Nick>with my old LInux
14:33<Nick>thatnks retrospectacus
14:33<mjt>so it's just win owerwriting your mbr
14:33<retrospectacus>enjoy
14:33<Nick>Ok
14:34<Nick>mbr???
14:34<supplicant>master boot record
14:34<mjt>master boot record
14:34<Nick>ok
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14:34<Nick>wow
14:34<Nick>feel good now
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14:40<Nick>where can i learn all these things???
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14:41<retrospectacus>There is this place called the Internet
14:41<Nick>LOL
14:41<retrospectacus>it has literally dozens of web pages, some of them talk about these things.
14:42<Nick>Ok.
14:42<amphi>the tubes, the tubes…
14:42<supplicant>Nick: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0131480057
14:42<Nick>wow
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14:43<amphi>Nick: you can probably find the equivalent on tldp.org
14:43<deliver>What thinks?
14:45<amphi>nussing, Lebowski, nussing!
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14:46<Nick>can I ask win related problems here???
14:46<retrospectacus>Nick, no. Debian only
14:47<Nick>Ok...i need to change my color
14:47<Nick>this gray is too dull
14:47<amphi>Nick: there's #windows on irc.freenode.net
14:47<Nick>ok amphi
14:47<amphi>dismal is good for interfaces, IMHO
14:47<retrospectacus>I thought you booted your linux
14:47<Nick>yes i did
14:48<Nick>I am on my Linux retro
14:48<retrospectacus>next step is to remove Windo$... not play with its colors
14:48<amphi>retro?
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14:48<Nick>remove window?? i can't
14:49<Nick>my boss will kill me
14:49<amphi>heh
14:49<retrospectacus>that's unfortunate
14:49<amphi>#debian-martyrs ;)
14:49<Nick>Corel draw and Adobe photoshop dont run in Linux
14:49<Nick>thats the problem
14:50<amphi>corel draw? is that still going?
14:50<Nick>yes
14:50<amphi>Nick: you may find that you can do much, or even all, your graphics work in gimp
14:50<Nick>Let me tell you something
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14:51*retrospectacus waits
14:51<Nick>well may be...but i am good with Corel Draw
14:51<bremner>corel draw = vector drawing program? not in the same category as gimp.
14:52<Nick>Ok bremner
14:52<amphi>bremner: ah, yes, I was thinking of another corel thing
14:52<rpetre>bremner: inkscape
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14:52<bremner>sure, inkscape seems not bad.
14:52<Nick>so thats the reason i have to play with win
14:52<rpetre>i mean, it's the same category
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14:53<rpetre>whether it's "professional enough"..., well, i;m not touching that one :)
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14:53<retrospectacus>it doesn't cost enough to be professional
14:54<Nick>once i had to reinstall win...cause it had a prob of restarting just after logon
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14:55<Nick>I couldn't find the another solution....so this made my Linux invisible.
14:55<edbian>How can I get chromium on lenny using repos?
14:55<retrospectacus>,versions chromium-browser
14:55<judd>Package chromium-browser on i386 -- sid: 6.0.472.62~r59676-1; squeeze: 6.0.472.62~r59676-1; experimental: 7.0.544.0~r61416-1
14:56<retrospectacus>edbian: you can't
14:56<edbian>retrospectacus, That's what I was afraid of
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14:56<retrospectacus>in related problems, I have one: chromium-browser \n Segmentation fault
14:56<edbian>I keep browser hopping. Can't quite settle on one :( swiftfox is nice but it feels bloated on my system and I wanted to try chromium
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14:56<jhutchins_lt>Nick: So you reinstall the MBR with Grub and your Linux install is available again.
14:57<edbian>retrospectacus, Oh yeah? What version are you running? sid?
14:57<retrospectacus>squeeze
14:57<pipe>edbian: Swiftfox, now there's a nice oxymoron.
14:57<Nick>yes
14:57<amphi>heh
14:57<edbian>retrospectacus, mhmm. How long have you been running squeeze?
14:57<edbian>pipe, ha, tell me about it
14:57<retrospectacus>since lenny was released, edbian
14:57<edbian>retrospectacus, I've been thinking about switching (all I have to do is re-point my repos right? )
14:57<Nick>but the question is... what was the problem with win.
14:58<retrospectacus>edbian: basically
14:58<retrospectacus>edbian: ask dpkg about lenny->squeeze
14:58<edbian>retrospectacus, So you're preparing to switch to the next version as well?
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14:58<retrospectacus>I will do so... I wouldn't say I'm preparing
14:58<devil>Nick: win on install overwrites grub
14:59<devil>Nick: it says: there can be only one.
14:59<devil>Nick: so, installing wibn after linux will wipe out grub in any case
14:59<retrospectacus>devil: it will make boot options for other windo$'s
14:59<edbian>retrospectacus, What browser are you running? (since chrome doesn't work atm)
14:59<retrospectacus>iceweasel
15:00<Nick>yes devil i know that...but prob was win rebootin on logon
15:00<retrospectacus>it's not great but it has the plugins I need
15:00<jhutchins_lt>edbian: Be warned that there are still relese critical "we will crash your system" bugs in squeeze.
15:00<jhutchins_lt>edbian: I would strongly recommend you install it as dual-boot or have some other way to fall back to lenny if you actually use your computer for things other than testing debian.
15:01<pipe>Same goes for any operating system other than debian stable or openbsd..
15:01<devil>edbian: chromium-browser-7.0.516.0~svn20100906r58618-1 is fine, so was the versions before that. all in all i had only minor probs with chromium in 6 months
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15:05<retrospectacus>I wonder if someone can check this strace of chromium browser and see what the problem is? http://paste.debian.net/94192/
15:06<retrospectacus>this is um, squeeze, 2.6.30-2-686
15:06<edbian>jhutchins_lt, I'll just wait for it to become stable
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15:06<edbian>devil, Thanks
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15:07<edbian>pipe, Well now puppy is pretty lean...
15:08<jhutchins_lt>,kernels
15:08<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.36-rc6-686 (2.6.36~rc6-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-24); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-23); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-23~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-25lenny1); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2)
15:08<jhutchins_lt>retrospectacus: Might want to bump that kernel.
15:09<retrospectacus>arg
15:10<retrospectacus>I could do without that kind of downtime
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15:11<nasso>im trying hard to disable a cck-field in a node edit form so that you cannot change the value. i just want the user to be able to edit the value when he is creating the node but it shouldnt be possible to change it later. does anyone know if that is possible?
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15:11<nasso>im using hook_form_alter
15:12<retrospectacus>nasso: I think you may be in the wrong channel
15:12<nasso>retrospectacus, oh crap. that is correct. lol :)
15:12<nasso>sorry about that
15:12<retrospectacus>np :)
15:12<pipe>edbian: With my debian stable and openbsd I meant that people shouldn't complain that much about squeeze having bugs, since there are few distributions with that few bugs and crashes..
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15:13<edbian>pipe, oh, thanks for clarification
15:13<nasso>im even on the wrong irc network...
15:13<jhutchins_lt>retrospectacus: Shouldn't be much downtime, update, test, if necessary revert.
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15:13*jhutchins_lt suspects #drupal.
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15:14<retrospectacus>I also have nvidia drivers that'd need recompiling
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15:16<retrospectacus>and I am at work, supposed to be doing some junk... eh
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15:18<edbian>I really hope firefox 4 is lighter!
15:19<jhutchins_lt>'cause more code and more options, yeah, that's gonna be lighter.
15:20<bremner>your only hope is gravitational collapse
15:21<edbian>Looks like my only hope is chrome or epiphany
15:21<devil>well, IW4 compares good speedwise with chromium (i have not timed it though)
15:22<edbian>devil, IW ?
15:22<EmleyMoor>Iceweasel
15:22<devil>iceweasel
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15:23<edbian>devil, If swiftfox is bloated why would iceweasel not be? You realize they're identical code wise right?
15:23<devil>edbian: i have no idea, never seen swiftfox. iw4 is fast, thats all i know
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15:24<edbian>devil, Well iceweasel and firefox are the same code as well.
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15:24<devil>yes
15:25<edbian>devil, I'm confused. The entire discussion was about how firefox is getting sluggish over the years and that firefox 4 will probably be worse?
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15:27<devil>edbian: i have been using FF/IW over the years and seen it get bloated, left it for chromium and now have tried IW4 to find it much more responsive than IW3 and almost on par with chromium
15:27<edbian>devil, Ahh, that clears it up and gives me great hope! :) Thanks
15:28<devil>edbian: i use it with no plugins for now, so i cant tell how those might slow it down
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15:34<jhutchins_lt>There is bloat and there is responsiveness, which may or may not be related.
15:34<jhutchins_lt>We definitely see the bloat at load-time.
15:36<edbian>jhutchins_lt, Well I care about both :)
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15:40<jhutchins_lt>With the interest in atoms and netbooks and such we are seeing a bit more awareness about code efficiency, but moore's law keeps fighting against us.
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15:50<luiz_>Alguem aqui sabe simplificar expressoes na Algebra de Boole?
15:50<cahoot>!pt
15:50<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
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15:55<tash>x86 does work on atoms?
15:55<retrospectacus>!atom
15:55<Gathond>atom is x86
15:55<retrospectacus>huh
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15:55<Gathond>in as much as atom is an x86 compliant CPU
15:56<tash>thank you Gathound :)
15:57<cthuluh>there 64 bits atom cpu, iirc
15:57<cthuluh>there are*
15:58<Gathond>not so sure about that
15:59<Gathond>there may be, they are all x86 compliant though
15:59<tash>is that I saw some distros at distrowatch that put atom in a separate category and I wonder why was that
15:59<Gathond>even if they support the 64 bit portion
15:59<Gathond>tash: there may be some optimizations or changes made to better support the relative low power CPU
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16:03<tash>well maybe is that
16:03<pipe>I'm considering getting an atom, because this *censored* via chipset is seriously buggy
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16:07<hachi>is there a way to get apt to not use the 'daily delta' files at all?
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16:09<Guest2060>IDEN
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16:11<themill>hachi: /msg dpkg pdiff
16:11<hachi>thanks
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16:18<cesurasean>can someone take a look at this error? : http://pastebin.com/ugVWx1N5
16:19<pipe>You'll probably get more people to do that if you tell about the problem
16:19<rss>cesurasean what is bfd
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16:20<cesurasean>bfd is a program
16:20<cesurasean>look it up
16:20<cesurasean>what does that error mean exactly?
16:20<cesurasean>i don't understand it.
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16:22<rss>cesurasean: no duh, I understood that! What I mean is what does it do? Telling me to look it up is not constructive. Clearly you have someting in your crontab that refers to bfd. Which either is not avalable on your system or has been installed and deinstalled without proper cleanup.
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16:22<cesurasean>no, the file does exist. i pasted the contents in my pastebin.
16:22<cesurasean>i forget what bfd does. some kind of security app
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16:23<pipe>ok
16:23<pipe>suonds important
16:23<pipe>magic security that makes everything secure
16:24<supplicant>cesurasean: how about pasting the contents of your crontab
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16:25<pipe>he did
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16:25<pipe>at leat the part that crontab complained about
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16:25<cesurasean>here is my crontab; http://pastebin.com/n6YK9Ybm
16:25<themill>In a very obscure way without explaining what it is
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16:26<pipe>indeed
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16:27<rss>cesurasean: Your crontab is trying to process */10 for minute which the cron daemon you are running does not understand. That is what the bad minute means. Possibly you need to try another/different cron daemon which understand */10 for minutes. As installed what I assume the crontab wants is execute every 10 minutes i.e. all minutes divisble by 10. That would mean 22:00, 22:10, 22:20, 22:30, 22:40, 22:50
16:27<themill>cesurasean: MAILTO= is not valid syntax according to crontab(5).
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16:28<Gathond>themill: MAILTO=""
16:28<Gathond>I think it needs something
16:28<themill>Gathond: don't tell me
16:28<themill>(you are correct though)
16:29<rss>gathond: I missed that completely
16:29<gdb>This a Linux system? Is there a cron daemon commonly (or uncommonly) used on Linux that doesn't support */10 ? ie; Is the question even appropriate for here?
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16:30<cesurasean>how do i change that cron to run every 10 mins?
16:30<cesurasean>like it should?
16:30<Gathond>themill: sorry, I misread that
16:31<pipe>cesurasean: You remove the invalid line
16:31<themill>cesurasean: [21:27] <themill> cesurasean: MAILTO= is not valid syntax according to crontab(5).
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16:32<rss>cesurasean: check the files in your cron.d directories possibly one of the contains an invalid mailto as gathond suggested. remove or replace with MAILTO=¨ instead of MAILTO=
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16:33<pipe>Actually, the crontab(5) for lenny is unclear about this syntax. It's clarified in squeeze.
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16:35<rss>cesurasean: where did you get bed? i can't find is in sid. i.e bfd is not a package.
16:35<rss>cesurasean: where did you get bfd? i can't find is in sid. i.e bfd is not a package.
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16:39<thatch>I have a packaging question, where should I ask it?
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16:41<thatch>I am packaging an application, and when it installs I need some of the files to have specific permissions, and I need to create a directory with specific permissions anyone know how to do hat?
16:41<rss>thatch: poosibly something is postinst scripts?
16:42<thatch>that would be the place to put it? Ok by me
16:42<cesurasean>can someone explain why bind is showing this in syslog? : http://pastebin.com/vJ3af7Rm
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16:42<thatch>thanks
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16:46<rss>cesurasean: it looks like your bind is trying to resolve ipv6 addresses which your dns forwarder if you use one does not support. Besides you need a working ipv6 address to talk to ipv6 enables nameservers,
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16:47<cesurasean>how do i turn off ipv6 in bind?
16:47<rss>thatch: regarding postinst scripts real debian policy manual first. The advice was the first that sprung to mind as in. I know postinst exists and that you can use it to change things after everything you need is in the right place.
16:48<rss>cesurasean: I do not know I've never bothered to try and I do have an ipv6 address. I do not get these errors.
16:48<cesurasean>i see this line: listen-on-v6 { any; };
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16:49<thatch>right, but then they are chaned from the package database originals right? Sorry, I am new to debian packaing, I will read up on the policy
16:49<rss>cesurasean: It looks that disabling/ commenting that might work
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16:49<wlt333>Can someone help me with a script, I want it to require root privileges...
16:50<wlt333>But I want it to check from within the script
16:50<wlt333>So no chmod
16:50<rss>wlt333: run script as root not user. sudo might help
16:50<wlt333>I am making a script
16:51<wlt333>Not having trouble running a script
16:51<cthuluh>cesurasean: listen-on-v6 { none; } will disable ipv6 listening. consult the bind reference manual if you want to know more
16:51<supplicant>wlt333: so you want the script to check if you are the root user? and exit if not
16:51<supplicant>?
16:52<wlt333>Yeah...
16:52<cthuluh>wlt333: [ "$(id -un)" -eq 0 ] && exit 1
16:52<supplicant>cthuluh: faster than me
16:52<cthuluh>no, id -n
16:52<cthuluh>no, id -u
16:52<cthuluh>damn
16:52<wlt333>Lol, it's id -u
16:52<wlt333>???
16:52<cthuluh>try it and see
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16:53<supplicant>wlt333: id -u
16:53<cthuluh>if you have questions regarding shell scripting, please ask in #bash or #zsh or #ksh or #whatever
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16:57<wlt333>haha, oh, okay.
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17:01<cesurasean>Why am i getting this error in my syslog upon boot? - Oct 7 15:57:29 server2 kernel: [ 3.988368] PM: Error -22 checking image file
17:03<cesurasean>Oct 7 15:57:29 server2 kernel: [ 3.988373] PM: Resume from disk failed.
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17:04<pipe>cesurasean: You know, I could google that
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17:06<jhutchins_lt>pipe: Or you could guess that a bootstrap isn't going to have a resume file just from reading the messages.
17:06<rss>cesurasean: as pipe said. you sound like you're checking logs and asking about any error that comes along. maybe yous should hey guys, i've googled and cannot find a reference to error xxxx do any of you know what that might be?
17:07<pipe>Or I could just not care about his problem anymore since he won't bother to try himself
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17:07<rss>asking here and having us google for you sounds a little selfdefeating
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17:08<rss>pipe: I hope you would not regard me in that category ;)
17:08<cesurasean>eh, i did google. nothing shows up!
17:09<rss>cesurasean: google answer for you error message: "About 15,000,000 results (0.27 seconds) "
17:09<BlackFate>hello, in the past i compiled pure-ftp from the source. The folder with the compiled files is still there. Is there any way to get the configure line i used in the past
17:09<cesurasean>can you send me a link to those good results?
17:09<cesurasean>thanks.
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17:10<rss>www.google.com enter the following in search box: "PM: Error -22 checking image file"
17:11<jhutchins_lt>cesurasean: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=+Error+-22+checking+image+file
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17:15<rss>BlackFate: if its not too long ago chech you .bash_history
17:18<BlackFate>rss, i found it.. it was inside config.log file :) thnx
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17:19<rss>BlackFate: good now cat that into a shell script in your home and never worry about this again. I've had that happen to me
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17:20<rss>BlackFate: my second display is giving spurious errors to my X server and suddenly switches off. The proper xrandr line reanables is. its a pain. but it happens so often I scripted it.
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17:24<cesurasean>jhutchins_lt, once I do that, which listing do i chose? i dont see any that applies, numbnuts.
17:25<edbian>Why is my aptitude today listing 1247 new packages when I run sudo aptitude update ?
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17:26<pipe>Did you just change your sources?
17:26<themill>cesurasean: you're doing very well at insulting people who might otherwise help you tonight.
17:26<rss>edebain: maybe you were following stable and missed updateing for the past year
17:26<edbian>pipe, No, and now even stranger it lists nothing?
17:26<edbian>pipe, It appears to have been a fluke
17:26<cesurasean>well, he's sending me a link that's doing exactly what ive been doing.
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17:27<cesurasean>im not THAT dumb, ok?
17:27<edbian>,versions midori
17:27<judd>Package midori on i386 -- squeeze: 0.2.4-3; sid: 0.2.7-1.1
17:27<themill>cesurasean: you really need to work at how you ask questions. And when you come in with comments like "<cesurasean> bfd is a program <cesurasean> look it up" then you shouldn't be surprised to have people tell you to google it.
17:27<themill>cesurasean: tbh, you do a pretty good impression of that.
17:27<edbian>Can I talk to judd privately?
17:27<pipe>cesurasean: If you're not that dumb, you need to prove it.
17:27<themill>edbian: yes
17:27<edbian>themill, I tried /msg judd and it didn't work?
17:28<themill>edbian: it will reply to valid commands
17:28<edbian>themill, Got it, thanks
17:28<themill>np
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17:31<rss>all: its 23:30 here i'm signing off and wishing you all a good night. CUL8R
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17:31<DebianUser1000>hi
17:32<DebianUser1000>i have a problem
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17:32<DebianUser1000>i want to edit a file in "/etc/apt"
17:32<DebianUser1000>i click on tool
17:33<pipe>tool?
17:33<DebianUser1000>at the top of the window
17:33<DebianUser1000>then
17:33<tash>waht window?
17:33<DebianUser1000>open current folder as root
17:33<DebianUser1000>i try to id as root
17:33<tash>Nautilus...
17:33<DebianUser1000>but i can`t
17:34<pipe>this is all GUI hocus pocus and wizardry
17:34<edbian>I'm going to switch to squeeze. Is this right? http://pastie.org/1206368
17:34<rss>DebianUser1000: in a terminal window sudo nano /etc/apt/<filename>
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17:34<pipe>DebianUser1000: in a terminal window sudo gedit /etc/apt/<filename>
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17:35<themill>edbian: you probably don't want squeeze-proposed-updates. You should upgrade your kernel as a first step; /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze
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17:35<edbian>themill, I'm looking at dpkg instructions already.
17:35<DebianUser1000>cant` open terminal too
17:35<DebianUser1000>Terminal program has not been set
17:35<maxxe>if i want one package from sid, how can i install it?
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17:36<themill>maxxe: /msg dpkg ssb
17:36<edbian>Better? http://pastie.org/1206371
17:36<tash>DebianUser1000: what version of debian are you using?
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17:36<DebianUser1000>last
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17:36<DebianUser1000>what terminal to choose?
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17:36<tash>DebianUser1000: there are a lot of "last"
17:36<rss>DebianUser1000: last does not wxist
17:36<pipe>there will be no more? :(
17:37<DebianUser1000>lide
17:37<tash>pipe: lol
17:37<rss>DebianUser1000: lide?
17:37<tash>DebianUser1000: look for lxterminal
17:37<DebianUser1000>there is lxterminal
17:38<rss>DebianUser1000: ALT-F1 (presto terminal)
17:38<pipe>so the graphical editor is leafpad I think
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17:39<rss>DebianUser1000: CTRL-ALT-F1 (presto terminal)
17:39<DebianUser1000>i`m in terminal
17:40<tash>rss: I guess if he can't find a terminal, he wont be able to come back to X after that
17:40<rss>tash: ALT-F7
17:40<DebianUser1000>sudo password dor user:
17:40<DebianUser1000>"sudo password dor user:"
17:41<DebianUser1000>e trust you have received the usual lecture from the local System
17:41<DebianUser1000>Administrator. It usually boils down to these three things:
17:41<DebianUser1000> #1) Respect the privacy of others.
17:41<DebianUser1000> #2) Think before you type.
17:41<DebianUser1000> #3) With great power comes great responsibility.
17:41-!-DebianUser1000 was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use http://paste.debian.net or /msg dpkg paste]
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17:41<tash>rss: I mean, if you don't tell him that, he will end rebooting the machine and come here saying it
17:41<DebianUser1000>#1) Respect the privacy of others.
17:41<DebianUser1000><DebianUser1000> #2) Think before you type.
17:41<DebianUser1000><DebianUser1000> #3) With great power comes great responsibility
17:42<DebianUser1000>what is this
17:42<DebianUser1000>?
17:42<rss>DebianUser1000: if in a terminal using sod allows root access. i.e. sudo gedit /etc/apt/<filename> will ask for your password and start gedit with filename as root for you.
17:42-!-bowenl2 [~bowenl2@graciliraptor-123.dynamic2.rpi.edu] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
17:42<themill>DebianUser1000: please don't paste into the channel
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17:43<DebianUser1000>when i id as root
17:43<DebianUser1000>its something wrong
17:43<DebianUser1000>Failed to run pcmanfm --no-desktop '/etc/apt' as user root.
17:44<DebianUser1000>The underlying authorization mechanism (sudo) does not allow you to run this program. Contact the system administrator.
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17:45<tash>DebianUser1000: $ su -c 'leafpad /etc/apt/<file>'
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17:45<rss>DebianUser1000: listen to tash it might help
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17:46<rss>all: is DebianUser1000 an pastebot?
17:47<DebianUser1000>what?
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17:47<DebianUser1000>sudo: gedit: command not found
17:48<ompaul>DebianUser1000: scoll back about 10 lines
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17:48<DebianUser1000>i paste it is this forbiden?
17:48<santiago>please anyone to help me to work with dvr march 3108
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17:50<ompaul>DebianUser1000: please use a pastebin, however please go back to the last entry by tash ..... that command begins after the $
17:50<DebianUser1000>the bot kick me becose it was flood
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17:52<DebianUser1000>yes i write it
17:52<DebianUser1000>the cursor was changed
17:53<tash>DebianUser1000: don't paste here, for longs msj and so, use some webssite like http://pastebin.com/ , paste there , summit, and post here the last url.
17:53<santiago>help with dvr
17:53<DebianUser1000>Ok i uderstand now
17:54<rss>DebianUser1000,tash: maybe leafpad is not installed. I do not have it on my sid box gedit might be a better choice.
17:54<themill>rss: we already know that gedit is not installed.
17:55<tash>rss: he is using debian lxde, gedit I guess only come with the gnome version
17:55<rss>DebianUser1000,tash: I do not have gedit either. I usally use vim
17:55<themill>Assuming that sudo is installed and configured is a big call too.
17:55<tash>rss: I guess he wont be able, even to save a file on nano
17:55<rss>DebianUser1000,tash: su -
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17:57<cesurasean>http://www.google.com/search?btnG=1&pws=0&q=+Error+-22+checking+image+file#sclient=psy&hl=en&q=Error+-22+checking+image+file&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&pbx=1&fp=a29c82155c57878e does not seem to show anything to explain the error im receiving.
17:57<rss>DebianUser1000: what do you want to add to your file in /etc/apt?
17:57<DebianUser1000>in "sources.list" deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports lenny-backports main
17:58<jarlaxl>Hello all, i ve submitted a bug report with reportbug but provided wrong email address. should i submit the report again?
17:58<DebianUser1000>is this gona help me to install flash?
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17:58<DebianUser1000>is this gona help me to install flash player on my browser?
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17:59<tash>DebianUser1000: by adding that... no
17:59<rss>DebianUser1000: what disto are you using (lenny,squeeze,sid)?
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18:00<DebianUser1000>i think it`s a lenny
18:00<DebianUser1000>but not shure
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18:01<tash> DebianUser1000 what iso file did you download?
18:01<DebianUser1000>this code it gona help me to instal backport
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18:02<DebianUser1000>after this flash
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18:02<rss>DebianUser1000: lenny it is then. there is a very good multimedia site that has most of what you wish www.debian-multimedia.org
18:02<hstrutz>hi. I just re-installed debian stable. before I had no problems switching betveen several sound sources: I could jump from youtube, spotify, amarok to mplayer, with out any problem, but no that dosesn't work. some kind of umbrella-program for the sound system seem to be lacking from my system - and since im a newbie, I don't remember all my old settings/programs. any help, tips what could be lacking?
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18:03<rss>likely you need to add the following to /etc/apt/sources.list "deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ lenny main non-free"
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18:03<DebianUser1000>Debian GNU/Linux 5.0.6 (lenny)
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18:03<hstrutz>rss: ah! yes. thanks.
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18:05<DebianUser1000>this is what i want to do
18:05<rss>DebianUser1000: if you have root shell access the following command might work: echo "deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ lenny main non-free" >> /etc/apt/sources.list
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18:06<jarlaxl>I repeat: i ve submitted a bug report with reportbug but provided wrong email address. should i submit the report again? Y/n
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18:06<themill>jarlaxl: no. Find it on the bts manually (it might take a while to appear) and then change the owner of the bug once you know the bug number.
18:07<Lethalman>jarlaxl, bts submitter BUGNO yourmail
18:07<Lethalman>themill, he has to change submitter address not ownership, right?
18:07<hstrutz>rss: its added now, and updated. but should I use gstreamer or some other kind of sound engine?
18:07<rss>all: aaaaaaaaaaaaargh!!!!!! i trid to sign off earlier and then got caught up with assisting eager new users. CUL8R
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18:08<DebianUser1000>rss: this code has been insrted
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18:08<themill>Lethalman, jarlaxl: err yes... submitter not owner.
18:08<hstrutz>rss: we'll send you flowers. :-)
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18:13<hstrutz>anyone: what sound system/server is best and able to play sounds from different soures, at the same time?
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18:15<pipe>"best"..
18:15<retrospectacus>hstrutz: the one that I have does all that but I dunno what it's called
18:15<retrospectacus>it came with debian/gnome
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18:16<pipe>probably pulseaudio?
18:17<pipe>all sound servers will of course fulfil that requirement
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18:18<hstrutz>retrospectacus, pipe: ok, maybe I just lack som gstreamer plugins... /encoders...
18:18<cthuluh>about sound servers / multiplexers, people may want to check http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/Dmix
18:19<hstrutz>cthuluh, checkking.
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18:19<cthuluh>hstrutz: this is not a network sound server, only a very low level thing. but if it fulfills your needs...
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18:24<pipe>One day I will make the sounds from my desktop route through the network to my HTPC using pulseaudio
18:24<pipe>I'm still not suicidal enough for that though
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18:27<Debkjkd>can samobody tell me how to install flash player on my browser step by step?
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18:35<Debkjkd>is debian has a recyle bin?
18:38<cthuluh>your desktop environment may have one
18:39<Debkjkd>where to find it?
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18:40<NOMADICUS>Hello. I am running squeeze amd64 and having trouble getting dvd's to play. I have added the multimedia repo in the sources.list and I believe all the proper packages have been installed. When I try to view a dvd the output is squished and colors distorted. How do I correct this?
18:40<Nemoder>what media player are you using?
18:41<tash>I once upon a time using pcmanfm found that is doesn't have, but is was long long time ago and I don't remember how did I configure it
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18:42<cthuluh>Debkjkd: on your desktop, usually. llok for an icon
18:42<cthuluh>look*
18:42<Debkjkd>don`t have
18:42<cthuluh>then how did you delete your files?
18:42<pipe>In gnome it's in the taskbar sort of
18:43<pipe>or should be?
18:43<cthuluh>probably -- I don't use DE
18:43<pipe>dwm ftw
18:43<cthuluh>ratpoison here
18:43<NOMADICUS>Nemoder: I try vlc and totem.
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18:43<pipe>On my old ubuntu desktop there's a trashcan in the lower right corner
18:43<retrospectacus>I have gnome, it's on the desktop, called Trash
18:44<pipe>ok, that settles it.
18:45<Nemoder>NOMADICUS: try ctrl-M in VLC and see if there are any errors
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18:45<NOMADICUS>main error: ES_OUT_SET_(GROUP_)PCR is called too late (pts_delay increased to 300 ms)
18:46<Nemoder>hm I don't think that is related, try turning up verbosity to 2
18:47<NOMADICUS>Nemoder: I switched players to gxine, it tells me to install an x11 driver.
18:47<NOMADICUS>I don't know how to do that.
18:49<amphi>NOMADICUS: what video card do you have, and what driver are you using?
18:50<NOMADICUS>amphi: ATI Radeon HD 3200 intigrated. How do I check driver?
18:51<amphi>look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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18:52<amphi>NOMADICUS: you shouldn't use an x11 video output driver with your video player; you want to use xv or one of the gl drivers, I would think
18:52<kingsley>What are the pros and cons of routing outbound mail through a so called "smarthost", as opposed to sending emails directly?
18:53<Nemoder>NOMADICUS: in vlc you can change the output driver in tools/preferences/video
18:54<amphi>kingsley: if the machine running the smtp server doesn't have an MX record for your domain, many servers will not accept mail from you at all
18:54<Debkjkd>how to install skype?
18:54<NOMADICUS>amphi: Here is the Xorg.0.log http://pastebin.com/8rzNCFYC
18:54<amphi>NOMADICUS: _I_ don't want to read it ;)
18:55<NOMADICUS>amphi: What line tells me what the driver is?
18:56<amphi>kingsley: so unless it's an 'official' mail server for a domain, you must use a smarthost, as far as I know
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18:58<amphi>NOMADICUS: it's using the radeon driver, it seems
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18:59<amphi>NOMADICUS: line 470 is not reassuring: (II) RADEON(0): GPU accel disabled or not working, using shadowfb for KMS
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19:02<Nemoder>NOMADICUS: you will probably want to switch to the fglrx driver for decent framerates or any kind of 3d support
19:02<NOMADICUS>Nemoder: amphi: In VLC I switched through: GLX, X11, Xvideo and none of them worked. I tried Simple DirectMedia Layer and it works.
19:03<NOMADICUS>Nemoder: I have never messed with any of that before. What is fglrx?
19:03<Nemoder>!fglrx
19:03<dpkg>[fglrx] "FireGL and Radeon for X", the AMD/ATI proprietary display driver for Radeon R5xx, R6xx, R7xx and Evergreen chipsets. As of fglrx-driver 1:9-4-1, no chipsets prior to the R600 series are supported; use <radeon> or <radeonhd> instead. The version in squeeze supports Xorg 7.5 (Xserver 1.7). To install, ask me about <fglrx one-liner lenny>, <fglrx one-liner squeeze> or see http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary. Note bug #595200.
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19:07<NOMADICUS>Nemoder: amphi: I'm greatfull for your advice. I'm studying more about this now. Seem's slightly complicated but definatly a useful setup. Thanks for the guidance!
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19:11<tash>there is no support for 3d with free drivers on ati vcards?
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19:16<incal>hello, I have a bootable Linux DVD as ISO on my disk, is it possible to boot it somehow virtually w/o burning it to a DVD and then boot the ordinary way?
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19:18<jarlaxl>incal: for CD image, dont know if it works for DVD, http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apas02.html.en
19:19<incal>ok, will check it out
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19:21<incal>jarlaxl: hm, that will not install the OS on my computer?
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19:23<jarlaxl>incal: do you have a live image?
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19:26<incal>yes, it is a live DVD of some Linux distribution "Genie" I got from school, as I don't have a DVD burner, I thought there may be some way around it
19:27<incal>.iso file
19:28<retrospectacus>you can create a VM on your current OS and boot the ISO on the VM
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19:28<franki^>You can put it on a USB flash drive thingamebob with unetbootin, although you should obviously be using Debian rather than some "Genie Linux"
19:28<franki^>;)
19:28<retrospectacus>obviously
19:29<incal>retrospectacus: yes! I know, do you know how to do this? fanki^ I am using Debian, this is for a school assignment only
19:29<jarlaxl>incal: i dont know anything about the Genie but i would follow retrospectacus or franki^ advice
19:30<incal>yes! this is not Genie specific question but how to create VM, point it to some bootable thing and run it
19:30<retrospectacus>incal: easiest IMHO is with qemu
19:30<retrospectacus>!qemu
19:30<dpkg>QEMU is a fast PC emulator. <PXE> boot roms (pxe-e1000.bin, pxe-ne2k_pci.bin, pxe-pcnet.bin, pxe-rtl8139.bin) are not supplied in Lenny's version (Debian bug #412010); acquire and place within /usr/share/qemu if desired. Lenny users, see <mmap_min_addr>. http://qemu-buch.de/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/FrequentlyAskedQuestions http://www.qemu.org/ #qemu on irc.freenode.net. See also <kqemu>, <virtualization>.
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19:30<franki^>!virtualbox
19:30<dpkg>VirtualBox is a virtual machine solution. VirtualBox Open Source Edition (OSE) is packaged for Debian. To install, ask me about <vbox-install lenny>, <vbox-install bdo> or <vbox-install squeeze>. http://wiki.debian.org/VirtualBox http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/User_FAQ http://www.virtualbox.org/ #vbox on irc.freenode.net. See also <vbox manual>, <vbox guest-utils>, <vbox-ose vs vbox>, <vdi>, <virtualization>.
19:30<franki^>Is also an option
19:31<incal>ok! thanks
19:31<retrospectacus>they are all reasonably easy if you are fluent with debian and know how VM is supposed to work
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19:33<retrospectacus>I have installed qemu-launcher package, it's quite easy to use, I haven't done anything advanced like trying to access host USB, printers, sound junk like that
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19:36<jarlaxl>Debian rocks!
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20:40<neandercow>hi all
20:40<yagoo>is debian supposed to be released once per year?
20:40<yagoo>read that bpo is officially supported, is this to compensate debian's late releases?
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20:41<streuner>sounds like somebody who is really care
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20:41<streuner>here we go
20:41<dvs>are we there yet?
20:42<streuner>speaking in terms of yagoo? ;-)
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20:49<edbian>Just switched to squeeze. My software sources gui doesn't seem to be working. Here is my sources.list. Does anybody see anything wrong? http://pastie.org/1206709
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20:50<streuner>software sources gui?
20:51<edbian>streuner, Yeah, the gnome software sources gui.
20:51<streuner>but, why do you use ftp at all?
20:51<dvs>why have lines 4 and 11?
20:51<streuner>just ue ONE mirror for main
20:51<streuner>s/ue/use/
20:51<dvs>sue!
20:51<edbian>I didn't notice the duplicate
20:51<edbian>I'm going to keep line 4 because it is closer to me
20:52<streuner>Dresden is closer?
20:52<edbian>It had the best ping response time
20:52<streuner>but the mirror is wrong too
20:53<streuner>it uses ftp...
20:53<edbian>streuner, Mirrors can use ftp. I'll use line 11 though just to be sure
20:54*streuner just wondering, because offical debian mirrors just use http
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20:55<edbian>The check boxes on the gnome software-sources gui are all blank. Clicking them does not place checks on the boxes? This is very confusing. Does my sources.list have to have 0 commented lines or something?
20:55<streuner>besides, the official debian mirror of .de is in Dresden and it uses http
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20:56<fantomX>hey
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20:57<edbian>Can someone give me an example of a perfect Debian squeeze sources.list?
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20:58<streuner>sure
20:58<streuner>edbian: /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze
20:58<streuner>or just /msg dpkg squeeze
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21:37<bogomo>hi all
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21:39<edbian>Can I get some help getting compiz to run? I'm using a radeon 9550 and I'd like to use the radeon driver but I have a firmware load error in dmesg
21:39<bogomo>hi.I'm very new here and have couple of questions.any1 wanna help
21:39<edbian>http://debian.pastebin.com/pp03qpev
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21:40<gsimmons>dpkg: tell edbian -about radeon firmware
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21:41<bogomo>how to install no ip ? on bt4
21:42<edbian>gsimmons, Is this new distinction a philisophical one?
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21:51<edbian>I started compiz using the startup manager but compiz doesn't draw window borders! What do I need to put in the command line for the window decorations plugin? metacity is there right now
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22:57<edbian>Can some one give me an example of their sources.list from squeeze?
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23:00<elements1>edbian:
23:00<elements1>deb http://mirror.peer1.net/debian/ squeeze main non-free
23:00<elements1>deb-src http://mirror.peer1.net/debian/ squeeze main non-free
23:00<elements1>deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main non-free
23:00<elements1>deb-src http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main non-free
23:00-!-elements1 was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use http://paste.debian.net or /msg dpkg paste]
23:01<edbian>ha
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23:01<elements1>edbian: http://paste.debian.net/94301/
23:01<edbian>elements1, That was funny. Thanks
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23:02<elements1>First time I tried to paste in here. Good call whoever made that mod.
23:02<elements1>I even laughed at myself.
23:03<elements1>ftp.<country>.debian.org may be faster mirror wise.
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23:22<edbian>Is it a huge deal that I'm not on ext4?
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23:23<NOMADICUS>Hello, I am trying to install fglrx using this howto: < http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary >. When I issue the command "# invoke-rc.d gdm stop", the output message: "invoke-rc.d: unknown initscript, /etc/init.d/gdm not found". How do I correct this?
23:24<edbian>NOMADICUS, Are you running gnome or KDE?
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23:25<franki^>edbian: No, why did you think it would be?
23:25<NOMADICUS>edbian: gnome
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23:25<edbian>franki^, Cause ext4 is the standard now
23:25<edbian>NOMADICUS, Is it true that you don't have a /etc/init.d/gdm ?
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23:26<franki^>edbian: Not in Lenny ;) But there are still many people who don't use ext4, so don't worry about it. I daresay that ext3 isn't disappearing any time soon.
23:27<NOMADICUS>edbian: Well, it looks like I habe gdm3.
23:27<edbian>franki^, I just switched to squeeze
23:27<edbian>NOMADICUS, I'm lost there. Good luck
23:27<NOMADICUS>edbian: I didn't realize that.
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23:33<Mythographvs>Hello.
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23:35<NOMADICUS>THIS IS FUN!
23:36<NOMADICUS>So much more involved than micro$oft.
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23:37<NOMADICUS>Can I turn off gdm3 and still be logged into a desktop?
23:37<amakusa>hello, I'm using console mode only, how can I mount a USB flash stick?
23:39<franki^>NOMADICUS: I'm not sure what you mean by "logged into a desktop" but I have a fully functioning window manager running without GDM (or any other display manager)
23:39<NOMADICUS>amakusa: plug in drive and type mount to get the dev info them mkdir then mount dev to new dir.
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23:40<NOMADICUS>franki^: Sure. I did not know if a display manager was a necessary component to the desktop.
23:41<franki^>NOMADICUS: Well, Gnome might be funny about removing it, but you can definitely run an X "desktop" without a display manager like GDM
23:41<NOMADICUS>franki^: I need to go to a virtural console and stop gdm3, change some things then restart gdm3. But I used gdm3 to log into gnome, so will gnome be expecting gdm3 if I turn it off?
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23:42<franki^>NOMADICUS: I don't use Gnome so I'm certainly not an expert, but I suspect that that won't cause any problems
23:44<NOMADICUS>franki^: Well, I'm going to log out anyway. What desktop do you use?
23:44<amakusa>NOMADICUS: I get 8 different entries, what should the flash drive be similar to in name?
23:45<franki^>NOMADICUS: I use Openbox3 and GNU screen :)
23:46<franki^>amakusa: /dev/s** I think
23:46<franki^>Anyway, I need to sleep :s
23:47<NOMADICUS>Perhaps something like "/dev/sd'a-z'" When I plug a usb into mine it is "/dev/sdi"
23:47<NOMADICUS>amakusa: Try mount without usb plugged in, then plug in usb then type mount again and see wht is different.
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23:49<NOMADICUS>amakusa: example: mkdir /mnt/usb && mount /dev/sdi /mnt/usb
23:49<NOMADICUS>franki^: later.
23:50<amakusa>NOMADICUS: I plug the drive and type mount and then unplug the drive and mount gives me the same entries
23:51<kop>amakusa: You could install usbmount, or you could make an fstab entry for the device, which you can see by the dmesg output. (Note however some flash drives are partitioned and some are not, so you either need to mount the entire device or just a partition.)
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23:52<kop>amakusa: Note also that you must manually either sync or unmount if your using a vfat or fat fs. They suck.
23:54<amakusa>kop: it's a friends USB drive so it is most like FAT or NTFS or similar
23:54<amakusa>kop: lemme try usbmount...
23:55<NOMADICUS>amakusa: Maybe there is a better way, let me check.
23:55<kop>amakusa: So umount it manually. It'll always mount at the same mountpoint anyway. (IIRC)
23:55<NOMADICUS>NOMADICUS: here is the command I was looking for: fdisk -l
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23:56<kop>NOMADICUS: sfdisk -l is better.
23:56<kop>NOMADICUS: (And likely parted is better still, but I've no experience.)
23:56<NOMADICUS>amakusa: kop: that's it!
23:57<NOMADICUS>amakusa: Is it working for you?
23:58<amakusa>NOMADICUS: trying...
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