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#debian IRC Logs for 2010-10-08

---Logopened Fri Oct 08 00:00:18 2010
---Daychanged Fri Oct 08 2010
00:00<NOMADICUS>amakusa: Hope it works for you, I have to log out. Later . . . .
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00:01<amakusa>kop: when I try to mount it tells me to specify a file system, is there a flag for the mount command?
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00:03<kop>amakusa: It should autodetect. That tells you you're not mounting the right device or the right partition.
00:03<kop>amakusa: You could try '-t vfat'....
00:07<kop>amakusa: You can also use "file -s /dev/foo" to poke around.
00:09<amakusa>kop: I get no such file or directory :S
00:09<kop>!foo
00:09<dpkg>foo is probably the probably first <metasyntactic variable>, it's a placeholder for some other term. See http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/F/foo.html and <bar>, also read RFC3092.
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00:20<NOMADICUS|3>amakusa: Did you get the drive to mount?
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01:17<tash>is there anyway to execute an aplication in a "32bits" mode or something, the fact is, there is a game that only runs on 32 bits system, I intalled the ia32-libs and the the game runs, but it runs bad, unplayble etc etc
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01:28<Nemoder>tash: that is likely not related to architecture
01:29<tash>Nemoder: It worked fine on 32bits debian
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01:29<Nemoder>sounds more like a broken video driver
01:31<tash>I play well other games,
01:32<Nemoder>what game is it?
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01:35<tash>Nemoder: Tibia
01:35<Nemoder>oh, not even 3d hm
01:35<tash>but for any reason, it needs aceleration
01:36<tash>Nemoder : am trying a chroot
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01:39<Nemoder>tash: what is your videocard and what drivers are you using? maybe it's missing the 32bit opengl drivers
01:39<tash>Nemoder am using debian amd64, BTW my vcard is an intel
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01:49<tash>Nemoder: the chroot works :) , thanks 4 your attention buddy
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01:54<BlueG>If I want to install sid packages on squeeze, I need to add sid sources to my sources.list and set APT::Default-Release "squeeze"; in /etc/apt/apt.conf, right?
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01:55<jm_>that's one option
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02:14<Aeon>Que onda
02:14<Aeon>algún mexicano por quí?
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02:15<Aeon>?
02:15<Aeon>algún mexicano por aquí
02:15<Aeon>ping
02:15<Aeon>xD
02:15<jm_>!es
02:15<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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02:19<blackshirt>:-D
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04:44<Elessar># apt-get build-dep grub2 → Unable to find the source package for "grub2".
04:44<Elessar>Ooops, sorry.
04:44<Elessar># aptitude build-dep grub2 → Unable to find the source package for "grub2".
04:44<Elessar># apt-get build-dep grub2 → OK.
04:44<Elessar>Strange?
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05:07<froglegstew>hi
05:09<froglegstew>i have 2 debs (build by me, not in a repo). i want to install both of them from a metapackage. if i start installing my meta, can run gdebi on these, cause its locked
05:09<froglegstew>how can i install a package with their dependencies during installation of a metapackage?
05:09<froglegstew>is there a better way to go around? (like script)
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05:11<jm_>dpkg -i pkg1 pkg2 pkg3 ...
05:11<froglegstew>that doesnt install dependencies
05:12<jm_>it does, pkg2 and pkg3 are dependencies ...
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05:12<froglegstew>even more...doesnt run postinst scripts
05:12<jm_>haha
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05:13<Lethalman>froglegstew, I don't think you can during another installation, cause dpkg is locked
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05:13<froglegstew>pkg1 depends form 2 pkg on repos, pkg2 depens on pkg1...to install both of them i could make an script, but can i doit with a metapackage?
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05:37<froglegstew>pkg1 depends form 2 pkg on repos, pkg2 depens on pkg1...to install both of them i could make an script, but can i doit with a metapackage?
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05:38<dominick>froglegstew: You might get more help on #debian-devel
05:39<froglegstew>thx
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05:40<dmorrison>So uhm... I have a really baffling issue.
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05:41<dmorrison>I recently installed fglrx 10.9 on my copy of Lenny so that I could get hardware accelerated GL on my Radeon HD5570. It seems to work, even to the point of compositing working, but running anything GL just freezes. Now, here's where it gets strange
05:42<dmorrison>If I run glxinfo it just sits there, doing "name of display: :0.0" forever
05:43<dmorrison>if I then STOP glxinfo with ctrl+z, and then restart it with fg, and then do that AGAIN
05:43<dmorrison>it prints
05:44<dmorrison>But ONLY if I SIGTSTP SIGCONT SIGTSTP SIGCONT the thing.
05:44<dmorrison>Its output looks generally normal, otherwise.
05:44<dmorrison>Running glxgears does nothing... On a hunch, I decided to do the same thing I did to get glxinfo working, stop and then continue the program twice
05:45<dmorrison>Bamf, I got a window. Except the gears aren't moving at all. Nor is the thing printing an FPS counter.
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05:46<dmorrison>So I try Ctrl+Z, fg, Ctrl+Z, fg again, and bamf it gives me an absurdly low FPS reading and 2 more frames render
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05:47<dmorrison>So my question is, does anybody know WHY this would happen, what I could do to fix it (Aside "buy an nvidia graphics card", something I am seriously considering), and just... what the heck?
05:49<dmorrison>I had the same problem on ubuntu, figured it was something to do with using a beta version of fglrx, so I went with Debian because that still uses XOrg 7.3 and thus can use fglrx 10.9
05:49<dmorrison>http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1586746 <-- This is the thread of me experiencing the problem on ubuntu. Note I hadn't figured out the stop/start/stop/start "solution" yet.
05:50<dmorrison>Anyway, I know its "Holy crap" in the morning, and thus I'm probably not going to get many people replying to this, but hopefully somebody logs and this odd situation catches their attention.
05:50<froglegstew>hi again
05:50<froglegstew>why im banned from debian-mentors?
05:50<froglegstew>(its my first time here)
05:51<Ganneff>dont use mibbit
05:52<froglegstew>ok :)
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06:41<maxxe>no backports for vim? :\
06:42<locklace>,versions vim
06:42<judd>Package vim on i386 -- etch: 1:7.0-122+1etch5; etch-security: 1:7.0-122+1etch5; etch-backports: 1:7.1.314-3+lenny2~bpo40+2; lenny: 1:7.1.314-3+lenny2; squeeze: 2:7.2.445+hg~cb94c42c0e1a-1; sid: 2:7.3.000+hg~ee53a39d5896-1
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06:44<maxxe>can i just att deb-src for sid and apt-get source vim and compile it for lenny? :P
06:45<locklace>!ssb
06:45<dpkg>First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
06:45<maxxe>ah.. yeah
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06:48<maxxe>only package i want from sid.. perhaps newer kernel.. else im happy with lenny.. but squeeze is probably going to rock :)
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06:54<py1hon>Anyone know their way around initramfs? I'm trying to figure out how to get a udev rule pulled in
06:56<roots>Hi everybody. Im searching for services and network monitoring tool, aio, that displays data like network usage, apache, ftp etc statuss, cpu/mem usage in console/no-desktop environment. Any suggestions?
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07:04<roots>anyone?
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07:06<slush>roots: atop
07:07<roots>slush, thanks, that might work :)
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07:10<Xaiosx>Hey everyone; is proftp the best ftp solution?
07:10<cthuluh>no, it's sftp
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07:11<cthuluh>(sftp is not ftp, but ftp is awful anyway...)
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07:12<Xaiosx>True, thanks mate; i'm new to linux, apreciate the help
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07:13<cthuluh>!ftp must die
07:13<dpkg>FTP MUST DIE! http://mywiki.wooledge.org/FtpMustDie . If you really just want to provide anonymous download of files, use HTTP: http://daniel.haxx.se/docs/ftp-vs-http.html
07:14<Xaiosx>whoow hope i'm not starting a flame war. Thanks for the help :-)
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07:17<chicoplay>holaaaaaaaa
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07:33<AMLJ>hello
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07:55<classical>hey ppl
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07:56<classical>SS Seconds since beginning of most recent request what this means ? i cant fined some good documentation over net there is ss 342604 what this mean?
07:57<pipe>classical: ???
07:58<classical>pipe, i want to understand what SS Seconds since beginning of most recent request means
07:58<classical>:_D
07:58<pipe>classical: It means foo bar, replace foo and bar with sentences that applies to the application you're talking about. Since you didn't mention that vital information, we can probably not be more detailed.
07:59<locklace>!confuse classical
07:59<dpkg>No, what are my gerbil yesterday, classical? Shirts of the Dictatorship of Tibet with extra cream.
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08:00<pipe>mmm... cream
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08:04<Xaiosx>so.. any one here trying their hand at open source game development?
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08:08<Manos>yo
08:08<classical>pipe, http://www.puiching.edu.hk/~wtchung/ait5002/server210.176.23.168-status@20020926.html
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08:09<pipe>classical: Ok, and why do you ask questions about apache running on REDHAT on a debian support channel?
08:09<classical>pipe, the SS is 345293 and it is still alive
08:10<classical>pipe, this was for example to show you what i was talking about :)
08:10<pipe>fair enough
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08:11<classical>i just want to figure out what is SS and what this doing on apache exactly but i cant find proper documentation
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08:12<joaoblue>bom dia
08:12<pipe>have you tried asking, I don't know, the people in #apache?
08:12<Xaiosx>haha
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08:32<pipe>ok
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08:35<HIJACKER93>hi all i am new
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08:45<ice2>hello sirs, is read() and write() is not ment to be called concurrently on a same file descriptor?
08:45<ice2>i did this on a serial (usb acm) device, and the data is corrupted...
08:47<mjt>concurrently?
08:47<mjt>you mean from 2 different threads or processes which shares the same fd?
08:47<ice2>mjt: yes, from 2 diff threads
08:47<Ganneff>i think you got your answer to your question in your result :)
08:48<mjt>each of them starts at "current pointer" and updates it when done
08:48<mjt>so you wont know where each started
08:48<mjt>there's only one 'current pointer'
08:48<ice2>mjt: read and write should use different current pointer i believe
08:48<ice2>mjt: btw i did this to similate a fuil-duplex transfer
08:49<mjt>no, there's only one current pointer
08:49<mjt>note that even if two _processes_ share the same fd#, it still has only one current pointer
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08:49<mjt>so one process can seek() and another will read() or write() from that plac
08:49<mjt>e
08:50<mjt>and syscalls like dup() does _not_ make a copy of 'current file pointer'
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08:51<ice2>mjt: this "current pointer", is it point to the next data to be read, or write?
08:51<mjt>it is just 'current pointer', all operations that take it into accout will use it
08:51<mjt>lseek(SEEK_CUR) too
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08:53<ice2>mjt: is there any other way to do a full-duplex read write?
08:53<ice2>on a serial device
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08:54<mjt>serial?
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08:54<mjt>you mean like /dev/ttyS0 ? :)
08:55<ice2>mjt: yes, actually its a usb modem (cdc acm) device
08:55<mjt>but that one does not have a 'current file position'
08:55<mjt>that position makes no sense for such situation, it's just not used
08:55<judaB>I have problem with my network interface when i am downloading at 80Mbit the server stop responding to pings ... i see in dmesg i have loaded two modules can someone assist me with troubleshooting
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08:56<ice2>mjt: so u mean it should be possible to do read and write concurently?
08:56<ice2>on a tty device?
08:56<mjt>yes
08:56<mjt>that's actually how some programs like pppd do that
08:56<mjt>uucp did that too
08:57<mjt>so you can receive and send network packets at the same time
08:57<mjt>your 'data is corrupted' - i assumed you're reading/writing from/to a plain file
08:58<mjt>for some reason :)
08:58<ice2>mjt: no, i'm writing embedded driver for usb device
08:58<ice2>the data that is received by the device is corrupted
08:58<ice2>i;m suspecting the semantics that is used the acm driver
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08:59<mjt>cdc_acm - that one?
08:59<ice2>yes sir
08:59<ice2>i'm looking at the code right know
08:59<mjt>um, that definitely supports concurrent reads and writes
08:59<ice2>how can u tell?
09:00<mjt>because pppd works on it in full-duplex mode
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09:00<mjt>that's what i used this summer when was @vacation - pppd over cdc_acm
09:00<judaB>Hello everyone , i need some help when i am copying a file to my server with ssh the server stop responding on ssh and i cant work ..
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09:01<mjt>ice2: sure there may be some corner cases or code paths that aren't used often
09:01<mjt>ice2: so the driver may be at fault too
09:01<mjt>ice2: but for that stuff, i'd suggest asking in some more appropriate place, it's just too low-level for #debian
09:02<ice2>mjt: which driver? acm driver? or the one i;m writing? :)
09:02<ice2>mjt: yes, can;t the place, where?
09:02<mjt>well, i were talking about cdc_acm, -- _besides_ your code :)
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09:03<mjt>check who maintains cdc_acm - there's probably a mailinglist, -- and start from there.
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09:03<mjt>(just one way, from many possible)
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09:07<ice2>mjt: thank you, btw can i have an example of ur pppd design? u write this ur self?
09:08<mjt>um
09:08<mjt>pppd is used on all linux and *bsd machines - initially to connect over a dialup modems, now that's cell phones and the like... written many years ago :)
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09:09<mjt>package ppp in debian.
09:09<mjt>Paul Makkeras (sp)
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09:10<mjt>Paul Mackerras
09:10<ice2>mjt: i'm looking for smaller implementation of ppp, if possible, for embedded device
09:10<mjt>i don't know any other alternative
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09:16<amitz>ark, file-roller, or archiver? any recommendation?
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09:16<anand>where can i find debian lenny repositories
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09:18<Ganneff>anand: on every debian mirror
09:18<Ganneff>!mirror
09:18<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/, see also <debmirror>, <apt-mirror>, <mirror size>.
09:18<locklace>!tell anand about mirrors
09:18<f8l>amitz: It depends on your Desktop environment.
09:20<anand>thanks
09:21<amitz>f8l: they're quite different. I have decided, thanks :-)
09:21<anand>!mirroe
09:21<anand>!mirror
09:21<dpkg>from memory, debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/, see also <debmirror>, <apt-mirror>, <mirror size>.
09:21<mjt>is there a way to stop gnome-terminal from guessing http:// link contents and use firefox for anything?
09:22<anand>!tell
09:22<mjt>anand: please use `/msg dpkg'
09:23<mjt>anand: start with: /msg dpkg help
09:23<anand>ok
09:24<anand>MSG mjt thanks :-)
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09:26<mjt>heh. you're welcome :)
09:27<anand>is dpkg a bot?
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09:30<jeremiah>dpkg is whoever the current dpl is.
09:30<dpkg>jeremiah: I don't know, could you explain it?
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09:38<hstrutz>hi. could anyone recommand any alternative to plowshare now when rapidshare has changed its user face?
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09:46<leshak>http://pastebin.com/dsZ31NRL
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09:48<rpetre>hmm, zack's announcement of the paris BSP hints at an incoming squeeze release at the end of october, or have i misread it?
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09:58<judaB>I need some assisteance my SSH session is freeze when i am start to copy file to the server with scp
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10:02<yac>hi to all
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10:04<daenney>afaik, BSP are never a hint for an imminent release, those are organised to expedite the next release but if an RC bug still hangs the release will just be delayed until it is fixed
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10:12<joaoblue>irc do debian em português BR
10:12<joaoblue>?
10:12<tash>#debian-de
10:12<tash>omG noo I fail
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10:14<rpetre>daenney: "The days of the conference (October 30th-31st, 2010) will most likely see the Debian Squeeze release in its deepest possible freeze, fighting with the very very very few remaining RC bugs (right? … right!)."
10:14<rpetre>not sure if it's just a call to arms for the bsp or there have been talks about releasing it soon-ish
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10:15<qwerty>hi
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10:18<bremner>rpetre: just doing the "leadership" thing. Nothing to see here, move along...
10:18<rpetre>:P
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10:19<rpetre>sadly, each time i look at the RC bugs, i can't see anything in my league, i'm stuck with the cheering from the side
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10:27<tash>30 oct is my b-day :)
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10:32<tash>!sid
10:32<dpkg>sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. Sid is the destructive kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in; sid is not supported in #debian because sid users should be able to solve their own problems. Sid will never be released. See also <sid faq> <unstable>.
10:33<Web-sidux368> Hi can someone help with a VirtualBox installation failure
10:33<tash>Web-sidux368: which is the error
10:33<Web-sidux368_>Starting VirtualBox kernel modulesNo suitable module for running kernel found ... failed
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10:34<tash>Web-sidux368: it gives you a comand to try, right?
10:34<tash>!VirtualBox
10:34<dpkg>VirtualBox is a virtual machine solution. VirtualBox Open Source Edition (OSE) is packaged for Debian. To install, ask me about <vbox-install lenny>, <vbox-install bdo> or <vbox-install squeeze>. http://wiki.debian.org/VirtualBox http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/User_FAQ http://www.virtualbox.org/ #vbox on irc.freenode.net. See also <vbox manual>, <vbox guest-utils>, <vbox-ose vs vbox>, <vdi>, <virtualization>.
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10:35<Web-sidux368_>tash: what do you mean?
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10:38<simon1969>Console sometimes left in state where "^[" is displayed when echoing the entered username for login. This machine has this a lot, where as I've occasionally seen it elsewhere. I assume some sort of serial comms mismatch but google doesn't do "^" or "[" and searching by name didn't help. Anyone know what the seqeunce denotes (as I assume that will clue me into why it is happening)
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10:38<simon1969>Sorry is displayed between each character "^[r^[o^[o^[t" and login fails (probably because of all these odd characters).
10:39<tash>Web-sidux368: try # vbox_build_module then # modprobe vboxdrv
10:40<tash>Web-sidux368: may I ask, are you using the default kernel?
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10:53<f8l>simon1969: It is an escape sequence.
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10:55<f8l>simon1969: Maybe an Alt key is pressed when you type?
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10:57<andy_>hay
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11:04<mjt>!flash
11:04<dpkg>Flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations, ask about <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. http://wiki.debian.org/Flash
11:04<tash>!bug
11:04<dpkg>Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges
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11:28<NOMADICUS>Hello I installed the flgrx driver following the procedures on this page: < http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary >. How do I check to see that I did it properly?
11:29<themill>dpkg: tell NOMADICUS about cross-post
11:29<Aleric>Suppose I have a library libfoo.so.1.2.3, then ldconfig adds a symbolic link libfoo.so.1 --> libfoo.so.1.2.3. Is there a way to automatically add a symbolic link libfoo.so --> libfoo.so.1 ?
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11:31<NOMADICUS>themill: Sure.
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11:42<amitz>what is debian permission to see log file? what group?
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11:44<cthuluh>amitz: many log files are belong to the adm group, not all. just do ls -l /var/log
11:44<simon1969>f8l: thanks, I found it is an escape sequence. In the particular case it is via a Java VNC console application, not a direct physical connection, and the state is persistent. I think I shall leave it with the current owner of the problem ;)
11:44<cthuluh>s/are//
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11:45<amitz>cthuluh: ah, make sense. thanks
11:47<pipe>not that much sense :)
11:48<amitz>yeah, I was a bit senseless -_-
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11:54<anotherdebianusr>Hi. When I use 'apropos' command I can see man reference to things that have been purged. How to clean them up?
11:55<pipe>Did you purge it recently?
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11:59<anotherdebianusr>pipe: Depends on what You call "recently". I would say about 1 or 2 weeks ago.
11:59<pipe>That's not recent enough to be recent
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11:59<pipe>the database should update every day
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12:00<pipe>or hm, could take a week, dunno
12:00<pipe>no
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12:01<anotherdebianusr>pipe: Any solution comes into Your mind?
12:01<pipe>yeah
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12:02<anotherdebianusr>?
12:02<pipe>read /etc/cron.daily/man-db and see what it's supposed to do and why it fails :P
12:02<kop>pipe: I thought apt now updated the mandb dynamically.
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12:02<pipe>possibly
12:03<pipe>except apparently it didn't here
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12:03<pipe>unless the user is confused
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12:04<anotherdebianusr>pipe: To be honest it's a bit too complicated for me yet I appreciate it.
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12:08<bogomo>hello
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12:14<anotherdebianusr>Hi.
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12:22<zenbunny>i'm very new to linux and am trying to get a usb gamepad(saitek p990) working. i would like to use it as a chorded keyboard. what should i use to write a program that gets the gamepad input and displays letters?
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12:23<rpetre>gnome-related question: any ideea what environment variables i need set in order to run a gconftool query from a different session? the manpage or the faq don't seem to mention this
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12:31<AMLJ>hey hijacker
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12:51<audiclean>Is there a way to specify which repository to use with apt?
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12:52<bremner>!tell audiclean -about sources.list
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12:57<fabrianchi> http://www.dudalibre.com/gnulinuxcounter
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12:57<audiclean>The issue I have is that I want to upgrade to mpd (0.15.12-1.1) from the sid repo, but if I run apt-get upgrade mpd it tells me I have the latest version (0.13) from the lenny repo
12:58<shadowdave>#ubuntu
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12:58<shadowdave>how to add chat software for sparkpea
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13:01<supplicant>fabrianchi: what is this? and why did you post it in #mozilla as well?
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13:01<leonardo_>oi
13:02<leonardo_>oi zumbi
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13:03<leonardo_>oieee
13:03<supplicant>!pt
13:03<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
13:03<fabrianchi>supplicant: a campaing of groups friends
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13:04<supplicant>fabrianchi: ah. I didn't see that I could change the language to english. see also
13:04<supplicant>!es
13:04<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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13:05<leonardo_>oirrr
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13:08<leonardo_>oi
13:08<leonardo_>oiee
13:09<retrospectacus>leonardo_, salte
13:09<leonardo_>oiir
13:09<leonardo_>hello
13:09<leonardo_>hello baby
13:10<themill>!ubuntu-br leonardo_
13:10<dpkg>leonardo_: Este canal e para suportar o Debian em Ingles. Por favor, /server irc.freenode.net depois /join #ubuntu-br.
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13:38<retrospectacus>!qotd0
13:38<dpkg><overclocker> hi, i'n using x3270 to connect to a sco server, everithing works fine except the function keys, ideas? <asg> overclocker: do you have a license for the function keys? <overclocker> i just want to use the F-keys of my keyboard when i connect to the sco server, do i need a licence to do that?
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13:46<tash>!testing
13:46<dpkg>Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <squeeze>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting and ask me about <testing faq> <lenny->squeeze> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging to use testing and should be prepared for a bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical or on servers.
13:47<tash>if I stay in testing, I could say that debian testing is a rolling release distro?
13:48<tash>stay even after squeeze is release
13:48<retrospectacus>correct
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13:55<tash>!grublegacy
13:56<tash>!grub-legacy
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13:57<pipe>incorrect
13:58<pipe>since it's not a release and is assumed to have bugs now and then with no priority to fix
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13:58<pipe>but there are talks about making a 'real' rolling release debian
13:58<f8l>pipe: Where?
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13:59<amitz>pipe: there is a distro based on debian who suppose to act like that <- hearsay
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13:59<tash>mint "make" a rolling release based on testing I guess
13:59<dondelelcaro>f8l: it's called CUT
13:59<dondelelcaro>and it's actually going to be part of Debian if it actually happens
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14:00<tash>!cut
14:00<amitz>oh, nice!
14:01<pipe>can't remember where it's discussed. Read the newsletters if you're interested :P
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14:01<tash>but, the packages versions will be like testing or like lenny?
14:01<tash>I mean stable
14:01<pipe>here, let me google it for you
14:02<pipe>or maybe not
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14:02<tash>am reading the implementation plan... but don't know how updated it is
14:03<pipe>read the mailing lists instead
14:03<pipe>or something
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14:03<amitz>does debian have enough resource to do that?
14:03<amitz>genuine question.
14:03<pipe>of course
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14:04<pipe>if enough people are interested, those people will implement it
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14:06<OdyX>let's say that the current focus is on releasing squeeze
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14:08<skumar>I cannot view the classroom2007.blogspot.com in my firefox, could anyone help me?, It is in language called tamil
14:09<amitz>skumar: define can't view. The letters become all boxy? Install tamil fonts.
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14:10<pipe>Works fine for me, so I can't help
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14:11<josemari>hola
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14:11<josemari>hayalguien español
14:12<retrospectacus>!es
14:12<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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14:20<f8l>dondelelcaro: Thank you.
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14:27<tash>in the #debian-es channel are few ppl
14:28<tash>I guess a lot of the ppl here, the english is their second lang
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14:33<pipe>doesn't mean that we speak spanish
14:33<pipe>The most important information in those messages are that this is an english channel
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14:38<tash>don't get me wrong, am just saying, anyway this channel is only english and I want it in that way too
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14:40<tash>I just mean that, like a lot of people, english is at least its second lang, that explain why the english channel are full of ppl , and the other langs no
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14:42<pipe>Yeah
14:42<pipe>It doesn't explain why so many people come here assuming everyone speaks their language though
14:43<pipe>But I guess that's another problem
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14:44<pipe>Spanish is not a small language though, should be more people there
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14:44<pipe>But I guess people rather stay here if they can type in english
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14:48<tash>I guess if here they can get a faster support and undertand english, then stay here. But as you say, spanish is not that small
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15:05<franki^>My impression is that IRC isn't as popular in Spanish speaking countries. (As someone who lives in Mexico)
15:05<franki^>I work with a lot of people who use Linux but none of them uses IRC
15:06<Nemoder>what do they use?
15:06<Hydroxide>franki^: Debian also has mailing lists and web forums and a new question&answer service. see http://forums.debian.net/ and http://ask.debian.net/ and http://lists.debian.org/debian-user-spanish/
15:07<franki^>MSN messenger :/
15:08<franki^>Hydroxide: Uhh, thanks, but I have no problems at the moment, I was just commenting on the previous discussion. (Plus, English is my first language anyway :))
15:08<Hydroxide>franki^: ah, ok :)
15:08*Hydroxide only caught the end of it, admittedly
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15:10<bremner>franki^: it seems to very popular with 12 year olds who end up in this channel
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15:12<franki^>bremner: Maybe that's the problem; I don;t know enough twelve year olds ;)
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15:13<pipe>It's getting illegal to get to know them in most countries, so that won't change in a while
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15:17<anotherdebianusr>Hi. Could someone provide me with DECENT tutorial on "how to change frame buffer resolution" in gnome-pc?
15:17<anotherdebianusr>*grub-pc
15:18<pipe>Do you really need to change the grub resolution?
15:18<anotherdebianusr>pipe: Does this type of questions is really necessary?
15:18<pipe>Yeah
15:18<anotherdebianusr>pipe: I do need to change it.
15:18<pipe>ok
15:19<tash>is kind apointless, since the grub just stay on screen like,ehm, 3 seconds?
15:19<tash>*kinda pointless
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15:21<pipe>That was my thought as well
15:21<f8l>anotherdebianusr: /etc/default/grub.
15:21<Nemoder>unless you have a crappy intel GPU and the default framebuffer freezes the machine :/
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15:21<mase_>anotherdebianusr; /etc/default/grub ?
15:21<anotherdebianusr>tash: "change in" not "change grub's" that is a difference.
15:21<pipe>anotherdebianusr, /etc/default/grub
15:21<mase_>f8l argh
15:22<tash>anotherdebianusr: you said grub
15:22*f8l waits for someone says it again with yet another punctuation mark.
15:22<pipe>anotherdebianusr: Then why did you answer "yes" to my question? That was exactly why I asked.
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15:23<Nemoder>http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Framebuffer-HOWTO/x168.html
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15:23<tash>that just remind me that I just reinstalled grub and forgot configure it xD
15:24<anotherdebianusr>Nemoder: Thank You.
15:24<anotherdebianusr>pipe: what question?
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15:30<tash>long time ago, I used to have a crt monitor, and in the grub and the booting it flickers , because of the refresh rate.
15:30<tash>there could be usefull change the resolution
15:32<pipe>indeed
15:32<pipe>there are of course reasons for having a different grub resolution
15:32<audiclean>is anyone famillar with ncmpcpp?
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15:32<tash>audiclean for me, it is slower than ncmpc
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15:33<tash>get stuck sometimes
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15:33<audiclean>tash: really? I've never given ncmpc a go
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15:33<tash>audiclean: for me ncmpc is fast and cool, but ncmpcpp wasn't good for me, anyway that is just my opinion
15:34<cthuluh>it's merely the same, I believe. apart from some features I'm not aware of
15:34<tash>maybe I was doing something wrong
15:34<audiclean>tash: Do you know if it's possible to automatically remove songs from the universal playlist as they have been played?
15:34<cthuluh>there's also an #mpd channel on irc.freenode.net
15:35<pipe>I use plain mpc :P
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15:36<jou>jou
15:37<jou>wazzaaaaa
15:37<tash>which is the best user for run the mpd? mpd?
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15:38<bremner>I prefer to run as me
15:38<bremner>franki^: meet jou
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15:39<pipe>I use mpd
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15:40<tash>pipe: do you get troubles when, 4 example, you try to listen to another media , like a video ? with the sound
15:40<tash>i have to stop the mpd to listen to another thing
15:42<mase_>tash tried using pulseaudio?
15:42<cthuluh>!dmix
15:42<dpkg>somebody said dmix was an <ALSA> subsystem which allows an audio device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/Dmix or another sample asound.conf at http://img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a3/images/asound.conf or http://phaeronix.net/asoundrc
15:42<cthuluh>much cheaper...
15:42<tash>cthuluh: nice!!!!!!!! I'll check it out NOW
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15:48<Scorpio>hi
15:48<Scorpio>i need helppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp
15:48<Scorpio>:D
15:49<cthuluh>we don't have a cluuuuuuuuuue
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15:49<mAniAk->mooooo
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15:50<Scorpio>i am unable to install backtrack 4 on vmware
15:50<Scorpio>anybody can help me :(
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15:50<tash>ohh my
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15:50<qq->!backtrack
15:50<dpkg>BackTrack is not Debian and is not supported in #debian (ask me about <based on debian>). Try http://www.backtrack-linux.org/ or #backtrack-linux on irc.freenode.net instead. BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux.
15:50<tash>vmware
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15:50<amphi>!:e
15:50<dpkg>Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!
15:51<cthuluh>someone asked?
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15:52<Scorpio>how i can get live help like this
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15:52<pipe>There's no help for you
15:52<qq->!vmware
15:52<dpkg>VMware isn't part of Debian, therefore it's not supported, ask me about <vmware support>. VMware is not in Debian because it is not Free software; even though you might be able to download it for no cost, the source code is not available for some parts and Debian is not allowed to distribute it, see <dfsg>. http://wiki.debian.org/VMware . See also <virtualization>. #vmware on irc.freenode.net.
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15:53<pipe>vmware is very very far from debian
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15:59<tash>dmix is build in on alsa?
15:59<tash>it seems lik
15:59<mase_>tash I don't think so
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16:00<mase_>(but im not shure any more, sorry)
16:01<cthuluh>I have it on debian stable
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16:02<tash>there is no man entry for alsa :/
16:02<tash>am on testing
16:03<cthuluh>tash: read dpkg's factoid, you'll find resources
16:04<_dreamy>!help
16:05<cthuluh>tash: http://pastebin.com/raDhy8Jj that's a copy of my asoundrc, I configured it to use it along with mpd. it's merely a copy of a configuration given by the mpd community
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16:09<tash>cthuluh: thanks a lot, those advices and files will be usefull
16:09<cthuluh>sure, yw
16:10<pipe>factoid: something made to look like a fact, or resembling a fact, but is (in fact) not true.
16:14<cthuluh>I don't have such a knowledge of english language 8)
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16:19<tash>after generate the asound file, no more steps are needed?
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16:19<cthuluh>try it, I'm off to bed
16:20<tash>cthuluh thx a lot buddy
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16:21<pipe>Aaahh... soon (possibly epic) apple pie.
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16:43<edbian>Is there a rolling release distro that is set like 6 months in the past? Like arch but 6 months old and not a build from scratch distro?
16:43<f8l>What is a modern alternative to install-keymap?
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16:45<mase_>f8l console-setup?
16:45<pipe>edbian: yes, ubuntu
16:46-!-mode/#debian [+l 423] by debhelper
16:46<f8l>mase_: Can it use kmaps for install-keymaps?
16:47<pallgone>no, ubu is not rolling...
16:47<f8l>mase_: I'm trying to set up colemak on console.
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16:47<pipe>Oh, rolling
16:47<edbian>pipe, yeah
16:47<edbian>rolling
16:47<pipe>When I saw "6 months" i came to think about the relase cycle everyone seem to have
16:48<pallgone>edbian: in the past from what?
16:48<edbian>pallgone, From right now.
16:48<pipe>He wants people to test it for 6 months before he use it
16:48<mase_>f8l sorry, no idea...
16:48<edbian>pallgone, Like arch is right now. I want a 6 month old arch
16:48<edbian>pallgone, or yeah old
16:48<edbian>year*
16:48<pipe>Why can't you use a 6 month arch? Don't have have package archives?
16:49<edbian>pipe, No idea. Do they?
16:49<pipe>Since arch only supports install on a very limited subset of hardware, I haven't yet succeeded in trying it out, so I wouldn't know
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16:49<edbian>pipe, Are you not running x86 ?
16:50<pipe>I am
16:50<edbian>pipe, Arch runs on x86
16:50<pipe>NO
16:50<pipe>*No
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16:50<pipe>It runs on a subset of x86
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16:50<tash>arch support, I guess i686
16:50<tash>not x86
16:50<edbian>pipe, 686... What are you running?
16:50*pallgone had arch running on like 10 machines, amd64, i686 etc
16:50<pipe>And last time I tried, their installer didn't work in kvm
16:51<tash>like a year and a half, I couldn't install the video drivers for my intel
16:51*pallgone then moved to debian an never looked back :)
16:52<pipe>edbian: Last time I tried, it was on a laptop that apparently only had some i586 or something.
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17:02<f8l>mase_: Thank you.
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17:03<mase_>f8l sorry, was this really helpfull?
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17:05<behael>shouldn't the system read all entries in the resolv.conf , before say: host not found ? Somehow my Debian is only accessing the first line, and ignoring all remaining nameserver. When using the nslookup, he only consults the first nameserver in the resolv.conf. Any tips? thanks in advance
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17:06<f8l>mase_: I already had it, but it seems not to work for me. I installed console-tools, installed colemak and got rid of console-tools. For now it works.
17:07<mase_>f8l so youre welcome ;D
17:09<kop>behael: The application times out before the resolver times out and tries again with another nameserver. It's something odd about dns itself that's always been there. A nameserver will eventually come up with the right answer, and cache it for next time, but applications don't fail over well.
17:09<f8l>mase_: I'll search for permanent solution later.
17:10<behael>kop thank you
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17:10<kop>behael: Run your on caching nameserver on your local box.
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17:11<behael>kop installing bind and configuring named and that stuff? Right?
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17:12<pipe>no, dnsmasq
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17:14<behael>oh, never heard about
17:14<behael>interesting
17:14<kop>behael: Installing bind9 (iirc) configures it as a caching only nameserver. There's also dnsmasq (IIRC) or others that are suitable as well.
17:15<behael>I see, I am gonna try dnsmasq first, thanks guys
17:15<mAniAk->dnsmasq is sweet
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17:40<_dreamy>can unetbootin or grub, do usb boot, even without being supported by the bios?
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18:11<locklace>!qotd0
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18:13<rss>Hi
18:14<tash> hi there
18:14<rss>Hi tash
18:14<tash>rss how are you man ?
18:15<rss>tash: OK! I'm just discovering irc and as a 20 year user this is fun.
18:15<rss>oops 20 year user of computers
18:16<tash>rss: lol, that is just nice (I guess...lol)
18:16<rss>maybe you mean rofl
18:17<pipe>maybe you mean roflol0r
18:17<rss>pipe: possibly
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18:19<rss>seriously, I do have some expertise with debian and linux. I do wish to share that with others. the general sound here is very friendly, and that does encourage.
18:19<locklace>dpkg: qotd0
18:19<dpkg><blistov> Debian 2.2. Telnet to Debian machine. I am connected to telnet, but am never presented a login prompt. Anyone know why? <jelly-home> telnetting to 1999 doesn't work
18:21<rss>dpkg, blistoov: no telnet daemon installed?
18:21<dpkg>rss: I give up, what is it?
18:22<rss>dpkg: missed part of the conversation. What are you talking about?
18:22<dpkg>that's too long, rss
18:22<pipe>rss: friendly? :D You haven't used IRC, I can see that now.
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18:22<musca>rss: dpkg is an answer-machine, a bot
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18:23<rss>pipe: Yeah, grin. I'm learning ;)
18:23<pipe>I'm also a bot, but I can only crack lame jokes involving kim jong-il
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18:23<rss>grin
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18:25<tash>dpkg: how is the time?
18:25<dpkg>I think you lost me on that one, tash
18:25<tash>aww :(
18:26<musca>!stats
18:26<dpkg>Since Fri Oct 8 11:05:03 2010, there have been 2 modifications, 113 questions, 22 dunnos, 0 morons and 43 commands. I have been awake for 11h 21m 4s this session, and currently reference 39309 factoids. I'm using about 18036 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 21.07/1.48 child 0.01/0.02
18:26<pipe>0 morons? Hard to believe.
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18:28<locklace>spain took the afternoon off
18:28<edbian>I am looking for a linux distribution that is rolling release, not build from scratch, and uses 6 month old packages (for the stability). If I point my repos at testing do I achieve this goal?
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18:29<locklace>edbian: sure, if you only update every six months
18:29<locklace>edbian: but you don't necessarily gain any stability that way
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18:30<tash>with 6 old month packages you'll be with 6 month old bugs
18:30<pipe>edbian: why exactly 6? those in testing ought to be about 1 month if you measure against upstream
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18:30<pipe>edbian: then of course, testing is currently in freeze, so there shouldn't be much going in there now except bug fixes
18:31<musca>rolling releases are not in a stable state, that's by design
18:31<edbian>I really don't care if it's exactly 6. Could be a year. I just said 6 to give you an idea
18:31<edbian>Does something like I'm describing exist? Rolling release with 1 year or 6 month old packages?
18:31<edbian>Obviously updating only every 6 months is not the same
18:31<pipe>You mean to say that you want everything there to have been tested
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18:32<pipe>for an extensive period of time
18:32<rss>edbian: what are you looking for? a distro you can folllow or a release
18:32<tash>usually a rolling release distro is update in all aspect
18:32<edbian>rss, I don't know what you are asking
18:32<tash>and fia
18:32<edbian>pipe, Essentially yes.
18:32<edbian>tash, So you don't know of one?
18:32<rss>tash: yes that I agree with it's why I use sid
18:33<tash>edbian: until I know, there are only 2 BIG distro in the rolling release, and I feel dirty if I come here to #debian to endorse another distro
18:33<pipe>edbian: You could also just trust upstream
18:33<edbian>pipe, Do you mean to use sid?
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18:34<pipe>I don't mean anything, but these ideas come up now and then
18:34<tash>!sid
18:34<dpkg>sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. Sid is the destructive kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in; sid is not supported in #debian because sid users should be able to solve their own problems. Sid will never be released. See also <sid faq> <unstable>.
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18:34<pipe>I've been running testing for a very long time
18:34<pipe>I have never had any problems I couldn't handle, but YMMV.
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18:34<rss>edbian: Debian is a distro. it uses stable, testing frozen and unstable as releases. these are rolling targets! Each release follows a named release.
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18:34<pipe>There be dragons of course.
18:35<pipe>Rolling very far every 2 years ;)
18:35<edbian>Really, what I'm trying to avoid is the big annoying releases. If I point my repos at "stable" (If I were currently using lenny) will I ever have to do a massive package upgrade when for example squeeze becomes stable?
18:35<pipe>rss: By rolling, I assume he means that whenever upstream release a new version, it'll show up in his distro
18:35<craigevil>sid has been boring since Sarge
18:35<pipe>craigevil: You mean nothing breaks? :(
18:36<craigevil>nothing major, probably helps that I do not use kde4 or gnome
18:36<tash>as I see, the most near distro to your objetive, is testing, with packages kinda tested, enough to not be unstable. but , by definition (I guess) it isn't a rolling release distro
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18:37<tash>6old package and rolling release are 2 concepts very distant
18:37<craigevil>edbian: just use stable + backports
18:37<pipe>edbian: As of now, testing is probably a good candidate for you. In a maybe-not-so-far future, debian might have a specific "stable" version of testing which is less prone to break
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18:37<craigevil>pipe: CUT? that's been tossed around for a while now
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18:38<pipe>craigevil: It seemed to pick up speed again, or at least started some discussions
18:38<edbian>Do I have to do a dist-upgrade when stable and testing and sid all switch?
18:38<pipe>But I dunno.
18:38<edbian>If my repos are pointed at testing?
18:38<pipe>edbian: No
18:39<edbian>pipe, Well then that pretty much solves things for me.
18:39<rss>the rolling names correspond with named releases. currently lenny is the stable release.
18:40<tash>at the switch time, you'll have to upgrade a lot of packages I guess
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18:40<pipe>edbian: if you put "testing" as the name, you'll keep using testing, if you now use "squeeze" as the name, you'll have testing until squeeze is stable, and then you will have stable.
18:40<edbian>Right now I'm pointed at squeeze. http://pastebin.com/tGYCSndy What should my sources.list look like?
18:41<edbian>pipe, Thanks :) Do you see anything other wrong with it?
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18:42<tash>you're using non-free repo, that's wrong ;), lol, just kidding
18:42<pipe>No, I don't. Sometimes there are trolls in the source list, but in general it works.
18:42<edbian>tash, :)
18:42<rss>edbian: policy is packages migrate from sid <unstable> to testing if they have enough retention time in sid. i.e. no mods in sid. I do not know what the current retention time is. recently squeeeze was frozen an no longer testing the muddies the water somewhat.
18:42<craigevil>edbian: do you want to stick with stable or testing?
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18:43<pipe>So hm, when squeeze is finally stable, will there be a flood of packages from sid to testing?
18:43<craigevil>i was surprised chromium-browser made it back into squeeze
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18:45<pipe>it did?
18:45<pipe>cool, I guess.
18:45<edbian>craigevil, Well currently I'm using squeeze which is testing. I can't decide if I'd like to fall back to stable when squeeze becomes stable or if I want to stick with testing forever.
18:45<tash>pipe: from testing to stable I guess
18:45<edbian>pipe, I'm using it to make the pastebin
18:45<craigevil>pipe: usually takes a couple of weeks after a release, but yeah lots of new packages hit sid and testing once a release happens
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18:45<tash>chromium-browser is in main or contrib?
18:45<craigevil>main
18:45<craigevil>http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/chromium-browser
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18:45<rss>edbian: sid will never switch! it is the rolling release of debian. Packages is sid can break! and you need to wait or fix yourself. It is not a release you can use if your cycle is six months. using sid and updateing six months late will probably break things. Testing is likely a better rolling release to follow for you.
18:45<edbian>So when squeeze becomes stable I'll get a large list of updates when I sudo aptitude update. Is that right?
18:46<edbian>rss, yeah I know. Why did you tell me that?
18:46<pipe>rss: He's not going to update every six months, he wants to update continuously but have "stable" and tested packages. I think he wants to avoid massive updates.
18:46<edbian>pipe, yes, that is a very good way to put it
18:47<tash>I thought that Chromium-browser, actualy, has license problems
18:48<pipe>It's nice that it doesn't
18:48<pipe>One major reason I use debian, I trust that people protect my freedom :)
18:50<rss>edbian: ok I get it. Then following testing is probably a good idea except when ther is a frozen. when there is a frozen release debian tries to get everything fixed to migrate from frozen to stable. That means testing is rolling but not when teher is a freeze. in freeze only bug fixes are allowed that help migration from old
18:50<edbian>rss,
18:51<edbian>That is going to bug me slightly
18:51<rss>from old stable to soon to be new stable
18:51<edbian>rss, Yeah I know
18:51<tash>I'll need to read about the current status of that browser
18:51<pipe>Hm, I opened up aptitude, updated, added chromium-browser, but even though it depends on chromium-browser-inspector, that package isn't added for installation
18:52<pipe>It's right there in the list, I can install it manually, and it's listed as a dependancy, but it's not added automatically. Odd.
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18:52<musca>so edbian should replace every appearance of "squeeze" to "testing" to avoid big upgrades in the future
18:52<pipe>musca: yes
18:53<edbian>musca, Yeah, but I'll still get a big punch of changes that build up during the frozen period. Then I'll get them all at once at the switch
18:53<craigevil>pipe: might be a bug in the depends on squeeze. The following NEW packages will be installed:chromium-browser chromium-browser-inspector libglewmx1.5 libv8-2.2.24
18:53<craigevil>thats on sid
18:53<pipe>craigevil: Ok, yeah, running squeeze on the laptop.
18:53<rss>edbian: when squeeze becomes stable you will get a large amount of updates, but care has been taken by the debian team to try to not break on the transition.
18:53<tash>I guess the one who suffer a lot of changes at switch is the stable
18:54<pipe>edbian: The amount of new packages won't be near the amount you get from a new stable
18:54<pipe>Also, I'm slightly disturbed by the fact that "stable" also means a building to keep horses.
18:55<tash>pipe : are you talking about the age of the versions?
18:58<rss>running apt-get update now
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18:58<pipe>I meant that there won't be that many upgrades in testing when the freeze is over compared to the number of upgrades there will be in stable when the freeze is over..
18:58<rss>pipe: exactly
18:59<rss>running apt-get -ud upgrade now
18:59<tash>stable will change a lot, but I guess that any user who really need stable, has setup it to lenny and not to stable
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18:59<tash>since lenny wont change at switch time
18:59<pipe>Yeah. Hm. I should probably switch from testing to squeeze for my trusty old laptop.
19:00<rss>pipe: that is a good idea
19:01<rss>running apt-get -u upgrade now
19:02<edbian>What happens to a system pointed at lenny when squeeze becomes stable? Does it just age?
19:02<pipe>yeah
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19:02<pipe>There will be security releases for it for a while
19:03<musca>yes, lenny will point to "oldstable" then
19:03<pipe>Possibly as long it's the previous-stable, I don't know about that
19:03<edbian>I'm gonna switch my server now then.
19:03<rss>edbian: lenny will still be there and named old stable untill the drop it
19:03<pipe>lenny was a good release
19:04<edbian>I liked it
19:04<craigevil>i might be wrong but i think oldstable is usually supported for 18 months, before it is moved to archive
19:04<rss>pipe: lenny is currently the stable release so yeah!
19:04<musca>pipe: the period has been shortened to a maximum of one year
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19:04<rss>apt-get -u upgrade done
19:05<edbian>squeeze looks great right now.
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19:05<tash>!old stable
19:05<tash>!old-stable
19:05<tash>!old
19:05<edbian>So, if I point my repos at testing when I update I randomly get surprised by new features in my software (along with bugs occasionally) ?
19:05<tash>aww :(
19:05<tash>!etch
19:05<dpkg>Etch is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Etch security support ended on 2010-02-15, this release is no longer supported. Etch users should upgrade to Lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Removed from the mirrors (2010-06-20); ask me about <etch sources.list>. For old Etch ISOs, ask me about <etch iso>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEtch http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100121
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19:06<tash>the support of etch lasted about 3 years as you can see
19:06<pipe>edbian: Exactly
19:07<edbian>pipe, Well then that's what I want. stable-ish packages. never have to do a major upgrade. full system (not built from scratch)
19:07<edbian>Thanks for all the help guys!
19:07<tash>so will you use testing?
19:07<rss>edbian: glad to be of service
19:07<musca>!testing
19:07<dpkg>Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <squeeze>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting and ask me about <testing faq> <lenny->squeeze> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging to use testing and should be prepared for a bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical or on servers.
19:08<edbian>I'm going to put my repos at testing.
19:08<tash>just what I tought
19:08<tash>just what I *thought
19:08<musca>!testing security
19:08<dpkg>Now that squeeze is frozen, security support for testing start SOON. Put "deb http://security.debian.org squeeze/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file. Regularly update your APT index and upgrade (e.g. # aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade) to keep up-to-date on security updates in Squeeze. Keep up to date by reading <d-d-a>. Also ask me about <d-s-a>, <apt-listchanges>.
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19:10<craigevil>so it only gets security support while it is frozen?
19:10<pipe>sort of :)
19:10<edbian>So are there known security vulnerabilities in testing?
19:10<craigevil>i know normally packages move from sid into testing
19:10<musca>edbian: yes
19:11<rss>edbian: currently yes
19:11<edbian>musca, Do I need to start running malware and virus scanners?
19:11<craigevil>not if you have a firewall or a decent router with a firewall
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19:11<rss>edbian: i would not think so, but if it floats your boat go ahead.
19:12<edbian>craigevil, I'm at school. I don't have those things.
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19:12<craigevil>of course its never a bad idea to have rkhunter and chkrootkit installed
19:12<edbian>Can someone please explain these vulnerabilities to me?
19:12<craigevil>edbian: then use a firewall GUI like firestarter or guarddog to set a firewall
19:13<edbian>craigevil, Good idea
19:13<musca>edbian: didn't you read? Don't use it on things that are critical or on servers.
19:13<pipe>or make people stop making programs that listen to random ports
19:13<edbian>musca, This isn't a server. Just my desktop machine.
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19:14<craigevil>edbian: yes but if it explodes do you have another computer you can use?
19:14<rss>edbian: the vulnerabilities when discovered wil either be fixed in sid which automatically migrate to testing. for the stable release there is a security site which maintains has updates for supported named releases.
19:14<edbian>craigevil, Of course! And full backups of my data :)
19:15<pipe>apt-get install bomb
19:16<edbian>So the vulnerabilities are all poorly written apps that listen to ports and then can be crashed by input on those ports?
19:16<edbian>Someone would have to be seriously hacking me (and know what the hell they are doing)
19:16<pipe>no
19:16<rss>pipe: bomb, what does that do? google search gives too many hits to be worthwhile browsing :-)
19:16<edbian>pipe, Please explain
19:16<edbian>rss, no such package
19:17<pipe>edbian: the vulnerabilities are not all poorly written apps that listen to ports
19:17<edbian>pipe, They're misc things?
19:17<craigevil>edbian: install and run debsecan
19:17<pipe>edbian: but that's what a firewall protects you against
19:17<tash>edbian, a firewall is usefull agaist "poorly written apps that listen to ports"
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19:17<edbian>pipe, Yeah, I know what a firewall does.
19:17<edbian>What other vulnerabilities should I be worried about?
19:18<craigevil>aliens or gemlins
19:18<edbian>Are any of you guys running testing? What do you do about security?
19:18<rss>edbian: I know i was being fecetious. searching for bomb on goole give lots of hits :)
19:18<pipe>some people think that a firewall will magically make you secure, so I like to remind people that a firewall protects against a certain subset of security holes
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19:18<edbian>pipe, no worries. :)
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19:19<craigevil>edbian: install and read harden-doc
19:19<rss>pipe: a firewall is exactly as good as the operator. A piece of software that supposedly does it all for you will never be a good idea.
19:19<tash>edbian worrying changes from ppl to ppl
19:20*qq- -> real work (gaming solitaire)
19:20<pipe>rss: I never ever said I wanted an integrated solution.
19:21<craigevil>wow running debsecan is scary, lots of remotely exploitable, high urgency messages, most of them in libwebkit-1.0-2 and sun-java
19:21<pipe>rss: I would just like to switch the focus to designing good software that doesn't catch fire. :P
19:22<rss>pipe: it sounds like i am unintentionally treading on toes I did not want to tread on. Sorry
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19:22<locklace>craigevil: web browsers are basically huge memory-guzzling security holes
19:22<edbian>whoa
19:22<edbian>that is scary
19:22<tash>sun-java?
19:22<tash>:(
19:23<tash>that isn't right anymore
19:23<rss>edbian: no it it not scary!
19:23<GhostlyDeath>Hello when I hit "new login" in XScreensaver in Squeeze along with gdm3 it says "gdmflexiserver: WARNING ** no longer supported", is there a way to fix this so multiple people can log in at once?
19:23<amphi>edbian: w3m ;)
19:23<edbian>rss, How is it not?
19:24<craigevil>not in java its in the fonts package, no biggie; CVE-2009-2689 sun-java6-fonts (remotely exploitable, high urgency)
19:24<pipe>rss: Well, I'm very vocal against merging features and making integrated solutions. I even preach about this to people with no clue about software and computers, so insinuating that I like complex and integrated do-all-solutions is like the worst thing one can do. ;)
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19:25<edbian>On my Debian stable (lenny) system I have CVE-2010-2943, in the linux kernel image, 2.6.26-2-686 remotely exploitable, high urgency. Why doesn't anybody take advantage of this vulnerability? I was under the impression there are 0 known exploits in Debian Lenny
19:26<GhostlyDeath>There are always exploits, even known ones
19:26<tash>just less :)
19:26<GhostlyDeath>security.debian.org has packages
19:27<rss>edbian: If it bothers you uninstall java. if you you like a challenge read up on the problem and see if it affects you. I often read hear about telnet vulnerabilities that to no affect me. I do not have a telnetd running so i am not affected. What I mean is know what you use and monitor vulnerabilities there. sit back and think and take measures if yo need to. do not follow the because some app you tells to, do so because know you need to.
19:27<pipe>edbian: remotely explotable under what condition?
19:27<pipe>edbian: I follow the security mailing list, and I never see anything that actually applies to my situation
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19:28<rss>pipe: that was my point to edbian exactly
19:28<pipe>edbian: It could mean "remotely exploitable if you run this setup and boot from iSCSI using blah blah parameter in a fibrechannel system"
19:28<edbian>Ok, thanks everybody
19:28<edbian>I thought that was vul on my system, not just vul in general
19:29<pipe>It's known vulnerabilities in the versions you have installed, not necessarily in the configuration you use
19:29<pipe>for example if you install apache but doesn't start it ;)
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19:31<edbian>pipe, ha
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19:33<tash>sometimes I want to know how is sweden :)
19:33<pipe>dark,
19:33<pipe>cold
19:33-!-edbian [~ed@ip-128-239-104-25.v4.wm.edu] has quit [Quit: Bye]
19:33<pipe>and piratebay
19:33<pipe>that's about it
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19:34<tash>that can't be that bad :P
19:34<pipe>No, it's how I like it
19:34<tash>are you swedish?
19:34<pipe>Yeah
19:34<tash>omG I was talking to a swedish
19:34<pipe>I mean, I'm a geek. I sit inside. Sun shines on the screen = bad. Heat heating up my servers = bad.
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19:36<edbian>Just realized that my / is now 85% full (after recently switching to Debian squeeze). It was 49% in stable. What gives?
19:36<pipe>A lot of packages in the cache
19:36<tash>edbian try # apt-get autoclean
19:36<pipe>du -hs /var/cache/apt
19:37<edbian>pipe, 1.7Gb (it's a ~7Gb /)
19:37<pipe>there you go
19:37<pipe>I have actually never managed to figure out what that cache is good for
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19:38<edbian>pipe, Download and install a package, remove that package. Install that package again ;)
19:38<edbian>How do I clear it? apt-get autoclean?
19:38<tash>pipe, is goof for fill the HD
19:38<pipe>Like, if I would like to reinstall my system and the network happens to be down?
19:38<pipe>It's a very unlikely situation
19:38<edbian>ha, yeah
19:38<musca>!apt-get autoclean
19:38<dpkg>i guess apt-get autoclean is like apt-get clean, autoclean clears out the local repository of retrieved package files. The difference is that it only removes package files that can no longer be downloaded, and are largely useless. This allows a cache to be maintained over a long period without it growing out of control.
19:39<pipe>Well, there must be another reason the packages are kept.
19:39<rss>pipe: I have used my package cache often when things in sid break.
19:39<edbian>autoclean only removed 280Mb, I still have 82% used
19:39<weasel>just apt-get clean it.
19:39<rss>edbian: apt-get clean
19:39<edbian>rss, weasel thanks
19:39<pipe>rss: Ok, so you install the previous version from the cache?
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19:40<edbian>It's down to 60% Thanks guys
19:40<rss>pipe: uhm when my xserver won't start, yes!
19:40<pipe>hehe
19:40<tash>so clean huh
19:40<edbian>I'm pretty sure that there is still some stuff laying around
19:41<rss>edbian: apt-get install cruft
19:41<pipe>I recently got a bit annoyed when my 4GB compact flash install of debian filled up with 2.8GB in the cache
19:42<pipe>edbian: If you're hardcore like me, you can use the hackish localepurge
19:42<edbian>pipe, I'll look at it
19:42<pipe>edbian: I also add APT::Install-Recommends "false"; to my config on my small systems.
19:43<edbian>pipe, That's a bit extreme
19:43<pipe>Otherwise you get crap like installing all of gnome because some app "suggest" that you use some gnome lib..
19:44<rss>pipe: yes, always switch of the recommends. If I need it i can aalways install by hand
19:44<tash>pipe are you called andres ?
19:44<edbian>How the hell do I use cruft?
19:44<pipe>I don't think I've ever missed something that was excluded because I removed the automatic installation of recommends
19:45<pipe>tash: No, close.
19:45<tash>I guess I know, :P but I know plenty of andres nicknamed pipe
19:45<edbian>sudo cruft just appears to hang?
19:45<rss>edbian: ditto on pipes comment about missing things
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19:46<rss>edbian: check your drive activity
19:46<edbian>cruft -d /dev/sdb2 ?
19:46<pipe>edbian: If I was a program called "cruft", I would take a very long time first time I'm run.
19:46<pipe>edbian: Because I would have to scan every file in the system
19:46<edbian>k
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19:47<tash>!cruft
19:47<dpkg>methinks cruft is a program to look over your system for anything that shouldn't be there, but is; or for anything that should be there, but isn't. To install it, type apt-get install cruft. It takes a while to run.
19:47<weasel>is cruft even remotely maintained?
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19:48<edbian>What package is the disk-usage-analyzer in
19:48<weasel>so many of those
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19:49<weasel>I like ncdu and baobab
19:49<pipe>I'm oldschool. du and xdiskusage
19:49<tash>weasel are you talking is swedish?
19:49<tash>lol
19:49*weasel doesn't get the joke.
19:50*pipe goes out for a while ->
19:50<musca>01:34 <tash> are you swedish?
19:50<musca>01:34 <pipe> Yeah
19:50<musca>01:34 <tash> omG I was talking to a swedish
19:51<rss>weasel: cruft uses the database of debian installed packages. and checks against that. little maintenance is needed. if you installl lots of stuff from non debianised sources then yes the output may be dubious if you use proper packages. the db knows what you have installed.
19:51<weasel>rss: not quite
19:51<weasel>cruft has a list of which packages generate which files in all the places in /var, and I don't think that's been updated in aeons
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19:52<Hydroxide>wow. one might call that ... /me ducks preemptively ... crufty
19:52<weasel>ouch.
19:52<weasel>I think you just volunteered to be its new maintainer :)
19:52<tash>if I add some file manually to, for example, /etc/ , the crufty will complain?
19:53<Hydroxide>weasel: hahaha, no. if you push hard enough I may start the process of getting it removed from debian because nobody (including me) cares about it though :)
19:53<Hydroxide>but only if you push hard enough
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19:53<weasel>Hydroxide: couldn't care a lot less
19:53*Hydroxide nods ;)
19:55<craigevil>cruft still has bugs, it shows a lot of things that could be remove, but they shouldn't be removed
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19:55<GPenguin>whats the default runlevel again?
19:55<craigevil>had to reinstall a few packages last week after removing some of the things it said weren't needed
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19:55<GPenguin>2?
19:55<craigevil>2-5 are the same on Debian
19:56-!-mode/#debian [+l 402] by debhelper
19:56<GPenguin>ah, crap. so i cant just change the default to have a console login
19:56<rss>craigevil: cruft is no meant to be a definitive list
19:56<rss>of stuff you can remove
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19:56<weasel>we should patch cruft to list /
19:56<craigevil>GPenguin: sure you can use sysv-rc-conf and set gmd/kdm not to load in a certain run level
19:57<rss>you need to look at the list
19:57<craigevil>!nodm
19:57<dpkg>Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "aptitude remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm slim". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console.
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19:57<bucketcut>hi
19:57<bucketcut>hi
19:58<rss>weasel: very evil grin
19:58*bucketcut says hi
19:58<craigevil>computer janitor is OK but like aptitude purge ~o it wants to remove manually installed packages
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19:58<weasel>I'm sure it has no desires of its own
19:58<weasel>just does what you tell it to
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19:59<craigevil>correct
19:59<craigevil>should have said it lists manually installed packages
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20:02<edbian>I just opened synaptic and found a million things in not installed but residual config files. How do I remove these using cli?
20:03<GPenguin>!nouveau
20:03<dpkg>Nouveau is a project with the goal of open source 3D acceleration for NVIDIA cards. Nouveau <DRM> in mainline as of Linux 2.6.33, included in linux-2.6 as of 2.6.32-10, not considered an official release. Display driver packaged as xserver-xorg-video-nouveau, no 3D support included; read its README.Debian to enable driver use. http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/ #nouveau on irc.freenode.net. For 3D support, ask me about <nvidia>.
20:03<GPenguin>dude, ask me for DISABLE :(
20:03<GPenguin>!nvidia
20:03<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers . If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net).
20:04<GPenguin>hrm
20:05<rss>edbian: apt-get remove --purge <packagename>
20:05<edbian>rss, But how do I find out each package name? I shouldn't have to use synaptic
20:05<tash>I tested the nouveau in anther distro, and it works kinda great, I could play urbanterror with it, but I get some low fps moments, I was using a nvidia 8600gt
20:06<tash>I say kinda great cuz I get 3d
20:06<GPenguin>i would only say "great" when the performance is close to the legacy driver
20:06<tash>by legacy you mean nv?
20:07<craigevil>edbian: aptitude purge ~c will get rid of most left over crud
20:07<GPenguin>the proprietary nvidia driver i mean
20:08<GPenguin>ah, and here we go again with the good old gcc version conflict
20:08<GPenguin>what a bummer
20:09<tash>!drm
20:09<dpkg>well, drm is Direct Rendering Manager, a <DRI> component (http://dri.freedesktop.org/wiki/DRM, http://dri.sf.net/doc/drm_low_level.html), or Digital Rights Management (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_rights_management)
20:09<GPenguin>i dont understand why they ship 4.4.5 as default but use 4.3 to build the kernel
20:09<rss>edbian: the configured tag means thare is stuff left in your /etc directory. Motly, those are small files and can possibly helpu upon reintall as all needed info is already there. Unless tha amount od diskspace used is really huge i would not worry about it.
20:09<edbian>A bunch of my packages are listed as Local / Obsolete. I can't figure out why.
20:09<edbian>rss, They're already gone :)
20:09<tash>anyway now am using a intel integrated
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20:10<tash>I guess nouveau with 3d uses a blob, but not sure about that
20:11<tash>I guess I readed on a blog or something
20:12<rss>edbian: if you only use debian repositories that it should be safe to remove them. Note if you compile your own packages and install them then they would be flagged as local! if you compiled a kernel and removed it then .... guess what could happen.
20:13<edbian>I know what I have that's local. Very little. It's things like gnomebaker (which I installed and use legit)
20:13<edbian>and lgbcj9-0 which it wants to have either this or java-common so that open office will run
20:13<edbian>sorry libgcj9-0
20:14<edbian>I also have a ton of things in "manual" that aren't manual, like apt, bash, anacron ? What is going on here?
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20:15<rss>edbian: obsolete/local tracks the installed base if you use packages not from debian then they could be listed as obsolete/local. Be carefull in simply removing them.
20:16<edbian>I am using exactly 1 non debian package and that is swiftfox.
20:16<pipe>So. I installed chromium on my laptop. Suddenly browsing is 10 times faster.
20:17<edbian>rss, All of these packages were either installed when I got the system or using from the repos. I did recently switch my repos from lenny to squeeze.
20:19<GPenguin>pipe: yeah
20:19<rss>edbian: repo switch will give you obsolete packages. The new database of needed stuff does not regard the old stuff. It is possible you can safely remove much of the obsolete/local stuff. However. always be carefull
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20:20<edbian>rss, well when I try to remove libgcj9-0 it wants to install java-common
20:22<tash>!iceweasel
20:22<dpkg>Iceweasel is a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces it in Debian as of Etch. It is not GNU's Firefox fork (now known as <IceCat>). Ask me about <why iceweasel> and <iceweasel user-agent>. Use gnome-default-applications-properties to change settings such as the mail reader. http://wiki.debian.org/Iceweasel
20:22<tash>!why weasel
20:22<tash>lol
20:22<tash>!why iceweasel
20:22<dpkg>Due to Mozilla logos licensing, Mozilla software isn't DFSG-free, so Debian distributes Mozilla software with different logos. One day Mozilla Corporation decided to revoke the agreement to let Debian use Mozilla trademarks, so Debian changed to non-trademarked product names. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_in_Debian for more information. http://glandium.org/blog/?p=933. Ask me about <dfsg>.
20:22<rss>edbian: that means package x need package y or z. removing installad package y means z needs to be installed
20:23<tash>iceweasel is mantained by debian or debian take the firefox and rebrad it?
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20:24<edbian>rss,
20:24-!-jnorthrop [~jnorthrop@cpe-74-75-20-164.maine.res.rr.com] has joined #debian
20:24<edbian>rss, Thanks.
20:24<rss>edbian
20:25<rss>edbian: ? non sequitur
20:25<edbian>On a side not. I have a million different locals. in /var/share/local. I have fr, ru, pl, de etc etc How do I get rid of all of these? I only need en_GB right?
20:25<edbian>rss, shift and enter key get mixed up for me sometimes :)
20:25<edbian>side note*
20:25<rss>edbian: i don't follow whar you mean. please explain
20:26<edbian>rss, What do you have inside your /var/share/locale/ ??
20:26<rss>edbian: im checking
20:28<edbian>Also, can someone explain this to me? http://img195.imageshack.us/i/screenshottan.png/
20:29<craigevil>hehe Synaptic shows the same thing for me
20:29<rss>edbian: /var/share/locale does not exit on my sytem I have a /usr/share/locale and that has only 475 MiB of data.
20:29<tash>edbian: I see a ugly theme lol
20:29<tash>edbian: explain what?
20:30<jnorthrop>You highlighted ALSA -- that's for sound
20:30<edbian>tash, It's the root user's theme ;P Why are all these packages in "manual" ?
20:30<craigevil>why pretty much every package is listed in Synaptic as manual
20:30<craigevil>been that way for quite a while for me, just ignore it
20:30<edbian>/usr/share/locale in 348.8 Mb
20:31<tash>edbian: ohh I see, just checked, same 4 me
20:31<rss>edbian: alsa-utils is 2MiB and you are worried?
20:31<edbian>I do not have a /var/share at all
20:32<edbian>jnorthrop, I wanna know why all these packages are in manual?
20:32<edbian>What does it mean that's they're in manual? bash is not manually installed.
20:32<jnorthrop>that makes more sense :)
20:32<edbian>What is the difference between manual and local?
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20:32<edbian>craigevil, Ha! I'm too curious
20:33<edbian>rss, What locals do you have in /usr/share/locale? Mpre than just en ?
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20:33<tash>debian is agaist have 2 aplication that do the same?
20:34<rss>edbian: I also do not have /var/share/local. It is what you asked me to check
20:34<edbian>rss, :P
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20:34<tash>I mean exacty the same
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20:35<edbian>tash, I think that's what they are as well...
20:35<tash>like gnash-plugin and swfdec-plugin
20:35<rss>edbian: what does :p mean?
20:35<tash>:P is a emoticon
20:35<edbian>rss, Sticking my tongue out
20:35<edbian>rss, I'm silly
20:35<franki^>tash: No, there is even an "alternatives" system for handling multiple applications that do the same thing
20:35<rss>edbian,tash: I missed that sorry
20:38<tash>rss sounds like an elder :P
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20:39<rss>edbian: /usr/share/locale is filled with many directories with stuff for locales i do not use. In a sense i could get rif of much of what is in there. Since the content is so small for me (yes large hardrive) i have no felt the need toclean that. Besides my /usr is a separate partition that i can grow at need.
20:40<tash>rss where I can read about growing partitions ?
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20:40<edbian>rss, k
20:40<edbian>just making sure
20:41<rss>tash: leave lots of free space on disk and use gperted
20:41<tash>by free space you mean no partitioned?
20:41<rss>oops gparted
20:41<rss>yes not partitioned is right.
20:43<rss>some file systems are able to shrink and free space is not neede. I usually leave some space unpatitioned. but if I can not have that a external disk to to copt to and from works wonders.
20:43<tash>that way I only could grow the very next partition to the free space
20:44<tash>I read something about virtual volumes, but don't know nothing about the topic
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20:45<rss>tash: next partition? not move the last partition to end of disk, make partition larger and move last partiotion back
20:45<tash>rss: that sounds painful and danger
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20:47<rss>tash: it is now without risk and i make a backup before it resize. 1 TiB us hard disks are not so expensive now. so restore to old is always possible, it just takes time.
20:48<rss>that is usb hard disks
20:48<pipe>I think now=not
20:48<rss>pipe: yes now=not
20:49<rss>pipe: yes now=not good catch!
20:50<edbian>,versions gnomebaker
20:50<judd>Package gnomebaker on i386 -- etch: 0.6.0-7; lenny: 0.6.4-1
20:50<edbian>why?!
20:50<edbian>,versions baobab
20:50<judd>Package baobab on i386 -- etch: 2.4.2-1.1+b1; sid: 2.30.0-2; squeeze: 2.30.0-2
20:51<rss>OK gents and ladies it's time to call it a day/morning it's 02:50 here in nl and im going to bed CUL8R
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20:53<gsimmons>edbian: See Debian bug #590890.
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20:55<edbian>Any of you on facebook? Is facebook chat down?
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20:57<tash>edbian go to #facebook
21:00<edbian>:P
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21:08<admin>всем привет
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21:10<Ikar>есть кто?)
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21:12<Ikar>можете помочь?
21:12<NOMADICUS>What is the command to querry the uuid of a drive?
21:13<tash>blkid ?
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21:13<Ikar>?
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21:14<Ikar>подскажите как мне посмотреть все ли пакеты я установил чтобы собрать драйвер?
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21:15<franki^>!ru Ikar
21:15<franki^>Hmm.. :s
21:15<franki^>!ru
21:15<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net. or use English here.
21:15<Ikar>aaaa ru
21:16<Ikar>))))
21:16<Ikar>ok
21:16<Ikar>tell me how I look at whether all the packages I installed to compile the driver?
21:17<pipe>English, not confuse-ish
21:17<Ikar>understand?
21:17<pipe>I don't know what you just meant, but maybe you're looking for something like "apt-get build-dep"?
21:17<franki^>"dpkg -l" will show you all the packages you have installed
21:18<pipe>Or maybe the package called module-assistant
21:19<Ikar>ok ok ok
21:19<Ikar>)))
21:19<Ikar>module-assistant . ................
21:19<franki^>!module-assistant
21:19<dpkg>hmm... module-assistant is a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and install them. "aptitude install module-assistant". See usage examples at http://wiki.debian.org/ModuleAssistant . Log files from successful (and unsuccessful!) builds can be found in /var/cache/modass/
21:19<pipe>I don't really know what you want, and you seem drunk anyway
21:19<franki^>pipe: We've already established he's Russian...
21:19*franki^ hides
21:20<pipe>good point
21:20<Ikar>how to check whether the missing packets
21:20<pipe>why do you think you are missing packages?
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21:22<Ikar>Installation ATI 7 packages?
21:22<Ikar>7
21:22<Ikar>1.module-assistant
21:23<pipe>!ati
21:23<dpkg>To use an ATI graphics card with Debian, ask me about <radeon>, <radeonhd>, <fglrx>. See also <radeon vs radeonhd>. Installing proprietary drivers from amd.com (i.e. with the ATI Driver Installer) is not supported in #debian, please go to #ati (irc.freenode.net).
21:25<Ikar>2. build-essential 3.fakeroot 3.dh-make 4.debconf 5.libstdc++5 6.gcc-4.1-base ?????? ????
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21:25<pipe>7. profit!
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21:26<Ikar>?????
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21:26<Ikar>needed 7. profit ?????
21:29<Ikar>help (((
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21:29<pipe>I don't know anything about this, I can't help.
21:29<pipe>You have to wait until someone shows up to help you, or ask in a forum or mailing list.
21:30<Ikar>well sorry
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22:00<Sickler>can someone give me a hand installing xfce, I did desktop=xfce at beginning of install with no luck, also doing aptitude install xfce4 fails, all while in root
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22:01<Nemoder>what is the error?
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22:03<Sickler>sorry about that, can anyone offer any help
22:03<Nemoder>what is the error?
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22:05<Sickler>Cant install xfce, tried desktop-xfce at begining of installation and apt-get install xfce4 in root, no luck, get the error "Xfce is not available but is refered to by another package"
22:05<Sickler>desktop=xfce*
22:05<pipe>Sounds messed up, what are you trying to install¿
22:05<Nemoder>try aptitude install xfce4
22:06<qq->Sickler, fix your sources list , add main mirror
22:06<pipe>Or just download the netinstall ISO and pick xfce in the menu?
22:06<Sickler>ahhhh
22:06<Sickler>much thanks
22:07<pipe>You could also try LXDE while you're at it
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22:08<tash>sickler: actually is xfce4
22:08<tash>sickler did you install xfce4-session ?
22:08<Sickler>tash: yes you are right, ive tried it every which way with no luck
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22:09<Sickler>tash: no didnt see anything about that in the wiki
22:09<Sickler>giving the web installer a go
22:10<tash>what is the output of "apt-get install xfce4" ? are your repos ok?
22:10<qq->! why aptitude
22:10<dpkg>aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>).
22:10<qq->! why not aptitude
22:10<dpkg>Many never use the curses frontend but it is still in the binary; aptitude is more memory intensive and slower than apt-get. Its resolver can sometimes produce unexpected results. Many features of aptitude are now in libapt and used by apt-get as well, so the differences between the two have reduced. That said, aptitude is still the best way of to get out of tight spots when running sid or upgrading between releases.
22:10<pipe>! why maybe aptitude
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22:11<Sickler>i am quite certain I was an ignoramus and didnt add the repo
22:11<tash>sickler it is on the main repo
22:12<Sickler>i got errors each time thats quite odd
22:12<qq->!sources
22:12<dpkg>The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian lenny main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <lenny security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
22:12<tash>show us your /etc/apt/sources.list ---> http://pastebin.com/
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22:12<Sickler>its already past i started a different install
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22:45<NOMADICUS>I am having some troubles that I do not understand and am not able to find explainations that I understand. I did: "apt-get install hibernate", it installed and started the configuration process, at end of process it trys to make a kernel and tells me: "W: mdadm: /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf defines no arrays." How do I correct this?
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22:49<twb>I need help configuring a bluetooth keyboard to talk to my X-less netbook.
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22:50<twb>I booted the netbook into a Debian Live GNOME image, and *it* could see the keyboard, so I know it's possible with this hardware.
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22:51<twb>I've installed the "bluez" package, and its README.Debian says I should run "hcitool scan", but it just prints "Scanning ..." then eventually exits, without mentioning any devices.
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22:52<twb>Oh, I bet I know what happened.
22:52<twb>The keyboard remembers it's associated with the netbook, but not vice-versa.
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22:54<twb>Yeah, that was the problem
22:54<twb>I removed the keyboard batteries and put them back, and now the netbook can see the keyboard
22:55<tash>twb: sometimes life has no sense at all
22:55<tash>lol
22:55<twb>My non-root user doesn't have permission to run "bluez-simple-agent".
22:55<twb>Do I just add him to a dbus group or something?
22:56<twb>http://paste.debian.net/94705/
23:00<twb>Adding myself to the "bluetooth" group (and logging out and back in) didn't help :-/
23:03<twb>OK, I just ran it and bluez-test-input as root, and now what I type on the keyboard shows up in the tty.
23:03*twb fires up typespeed
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23:07<twb>Bleh, worst score so far: http://paste.debian.net/94707/
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23:22<twb>The next question is whether bluetoothd will remember the pairing across suspends and reboots
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23:29<edbian>My /etc/debian_version lists squeeze/sid This does not make sense.
23:33<twb>edbian: don't trust it. That just reflects base-files IIRC>
23:33<twb>edbian: use lsb_release -a.
23:33<edbian>twb, lsb_release is true :)
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23:36<twb>ARGH
23:36<twb>After suspending, the bt keyboard isn't recognized
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23:47<GPenguin>!paste
23:47<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <paste2pastebin.pl>, <wgetpaste>.
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23:48<GPenguin>!pastebinit
23:48<dpkg>[pastebinit] a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>; convenient if you don't have a graphical interface. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit".
23:48<GPenguin>nifty, i will try that
23:48<Sickler>why does gnome always install by default
23:49<GPenguin>it installs by default?
23:49<Sickler>never have the option to choose
23:49<GPenguin>thats not true, you made a blind choice of "desktop" then, somewhere in tasksel
23:49<Sickler>i always have to install xfce on top of it and remove all the gnome files
23:49<Sickler>.......
23:50<GPenguin>you dont have to if you pay attention during the installation process
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23:50<Sickler>well, once i unclick the "desktop"
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23:50<Sickler>aptitude install xfce4 doesnt work
23:51<GPenguin>scroll down in that list and you will see "manually select packages"
23:51<franki^>You have to choose the desktop environment at the very start of the installation, long before tasksel
23:51<franki^>From the initial menu, before you start the installation proper
23:51<GPenguin>if you choose the graphical installer maybe, but you can always choose the expert installation
23:52<franki^>Well, personally I never install a DE, but that's how I thought it worked
23:52<GPenguin>no
23:52<Sickler>my only options are install graphial install advanced and help
23:52<Sickler>maybe i have a wrong iso
23:52<GPenguin>and maybe the meta package is called xfce-desktop or something
23:53<Sickler>tried all of those
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23:55<franki^>Well, it's been a long time since I've installed Debian, but try the "advanced" menu and see if there's a "Desktop environment" type option
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23:56<GPenguin>or simply stay with the base-install, end the installer, boot into your new system and do the "apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade && apt-get install xfce4" magic
23:56<GPenguin>nobody forces you to install Gnome :-)))
23:57<franki^>That too
23:57<bja>There is a way to install different desktop environmens, lxde,and a bunch others
23:58<franki^>In the "advanced options" menu IIRC, I just said that :)
23:58<franki^>Before you joined
23:59<bja>;P
23:59<Sickler>hmmmmm
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