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---Logopened Sat Oct 09 00:00:37 2010
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00:40<amitz>according to changelog, my debian squeeze's noveau has digitalvibrance support: "9a71990... randr12: add output properties for digital vibrance and image sharpening
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00:43<amitz>I assume that meanx accessing the property using xrandr. but xrandr --output LVDS-1 --set digitalvibrance 2 , resulting in . Any other clue? Perhaps xrandr can list all properties it can support?
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01:29<Sickler>Debian GNU/Linux 5.0.6 _Lenny_ - Official amd64 CD Binary-1 20100904-20:22 can someone help me find this, ive been stumbling around with no luck, or if someone just knows a way to get debian to stop asking me for it and just dl from the web
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01:32<tash>sickler comment the line on your /etc/apt/sources.list that points to it
01:33<tash>to comment put a # at the start of it
01:33<dpkg>The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc> lenny main" and "deb lenny/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <lenny security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
01:36<Sickler>its already listed
01:37<tash>Slickler: paste it on a pastebin and show me
01:37<tash>pls :)
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01:40<tash>sickler put a # on the line ---> deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 5.0.6 _Lenny_ - Official amd64 CD Binary-1 20100904-20:22]/ lenny main
01:42<Sickler>strange it needs it twice
01:43<tash>Slicker look, there is still uncommented the line 4 on the pastebin you sendme
01:44<Sickler>it works
01:45<tash>Sickler: nice
01:46<Sickler>theres not a way to get a ubuntu xfce theme on here is there
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04:12<BarackO>oh gods of debian - tell me what is the best way to set the parameter /sys/kernel/mm/ksm/run = 1 at boot time so I can activate kernel samepage merging in my kernel?
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04:13<Gathond>BarackO: edit /etc/sysctl.conf to set that key
04:14<Gathond>the format is (I htink) = 1
04:14<BarackO>Gathond - doesn't that only work for parameters in /proc/sys ?
04:14<Gathond>should be essentially the same I believe
04:15<BarackO>ok I will give it a go
04:15<Gathond>/proc/sys and sysfs should be representations of the same thing I believe
04:15<Gathond>i.e. a view into the kernel internals
04:15<BarackO>I see your point
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04:16<Gathond>BarackO: I may be wrong though, as the namings seem significantly different here
04:17<Gathond>so the paths are probably unlike to work
04:17<BarackO>ok well maybe it checks both /proc/sys and sysfs these days
04:17<Gathond>you may be able to set the same property somewhere in /proc/sys
04:19<BarackO>error: "" is an unknown key - ok so let me look for duplicate key in the /proc/sys structure
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04:19<Gathond>BarackO: I don't have that key in my /sys either
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04:20<BarackO>Gathond - what kernel are you running?
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04:21<BarackO>hmm me too I see it under /sys/kernel/mm/ksm
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04:23<Gathond>I only have hugepages in mm
04:23<Gathond>then again I'm not using a stock debian kernel on this box
04:23<Gathond>so you should not read too much into that
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04:27<gsimmons>BarackO: You probably want to define "kernel/mm/ksm/run = 1" in /etc/sysfs.conf (sysfsutils package).
04:27<BarackO>thanks gsimmons - I will look into that
04:28<BarackO>I think there should also be a ksmtuned package in the repository which will activate it and allow you to tune it through a config file
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04:33<BarackO>gsimmons - it works a treat - thanks!
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05:05<fantomX>6667 is just the port.
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05:06<fantomX>which i had configured
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05:15<hasta2003>hi, I've a problem with libpthread on debian lenny with a custom 2.6.26-rc7 kernel. A benchmark program I've made generates a seg fault creating threads, but the same program compiled on ubuntu 10.04 works with no problems. I've made a core dump and gdb reports the segfault happens calling pthread_create. What the infos need to help me? thanks..
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05:19<GPenguin>hasta2003: can you nail it down which package it actually is that contains that library that causes this problem?
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05:19<GPenguin>hasta2003: cause then the best would be to file a bug report against that package with as much info as possible
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05:20<hasta2003>GPenguin: may I pastbin gdb coredump (as to see used libraries)?
05:20<GPenguin>on the other side, it could aswell be kernel related
05:21<GPenguin>here on IRC, especially here on #debian are not many people who have experiences on that level
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05:21<GPenguin>the mailing lists are much better suited for that
05:22<hasta2003>GPenguin: which mailing lists do I have to use, in your opinion?
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05:23<GPenguin>hasta2003: depends, have you made sure the problem persists when you use debian's latest kernel for lenny?
05:24<hasta2003>GPenguin: you are right.. I'm doing it at the moment.
05:25<XayOn>n/window 4
05:25<hank>Hi ,
05:25<hasta2003>GPenguin: what is the latest kernel for lenny? I've installed so many others that I can't remember the default one.. :-|
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05:26<hank>french user in this room ?
05:26<GPenguin>i cant apt-cache that for you at the moment, have a look at
05:27<gsimmons>judd: kernel --release lenny
05:27<judd>Available kernel versions are: lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-25lenny1)
05:28<hank>i search a good network manager
05:28<hank>with wifi profile
05:28<hank>for lenny
05:28<jpinx-eeepc>backport wicd
05:30<hasta2003>GPenguin: ok, found it :-)
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05:35<f8l>!tell hank about fr
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05:38<hank>Thanks for wicd !!!
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07:20<anotherdebianusr>Hi. I am using squeeze. I am trying to watch xvid avi file but vlc can't handle it (nothing happens beside maximum ram usage) and after changing one parameter 'xv' in mplayer I was able to see the but not hear the action (previously it was the other way). Can someone tell me what is wrong?
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07:22<locklace>anotherdebianusr: are you using vlc/mplayer from dmm
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07:23<anotherdebianusr>locklace: "dmm" ?
07:23<dpkg>[dmm] Debian Multimedia is a repository of unofficial packages maintained by Christian Marillat, not in Debian for patent-related reasons. For information on how to access, see or ask me about <dmm lenny> <dmm squeeze>. During 2010, this repository grew a non-free part, with all binary-only packages moved there; you may need to add " non-free" to your sources lines. See also <dmm mirrors>, <dmm list>.
07:23<anotherdebianusr>locklace: I need to check that out.
07:24<locklace>anotherdebianusr: my suggestion is to use the dmm packages for this kind of thing
07:24<locklace>!dmm squeeze
07:24<dpkg>To add the debian-multimedia repository run (as root) # echo "deb squeeze main non-free" >> /etc/apt/sources.list; aptitude update && aptitude install debian-multimedia-keyring && aptitude update. For an alternative way to load Marillat's archive key, ask me about <apt-key 1F41B907>.
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07:26<anotherdebianusr>locklace: I don't have dmm in my sources.list. I've got another question: let's assume that reinstalling from dmm repository will make a difference. How do I knew what repo will apt grab first after I add dmm?
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07:38<f8l>anotherdebianusr: It'll grab the highest version.
07:38<anotherdebianusr>f8l: Thanks.
07:38<abrotman>unless there is pinning
07:38<anotherdebianusr>abrotman: No pinning on this box.
07:38<f8l>anotherdebianusr: Unless it's not for your flavor.
07:39<f8l>What is the general name for what I call flavour?
07:39<abrotman>if you type 'apt-cache policy' you can see the priority
07:39<f8l>I mean the stable/testing/unstable ...
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07:42<phoenix>hi. I am installing some applets(bubblemon, giplet...) and i don’t see them in the "Add to Panel..." window (squeeze)
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07:43<andrea>hi all
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07:43<Guest2203>excuse me, I've a question (maybe stupid)
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07:43<Guest2203>i should get from my office computer to my home computer, via ssh
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07:43<Guest2203>but my home computer is behind a nat router
07:44<Guest2203>how can i do?
07:44<cahoot>forward the port from router to computer
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07:44<Guest2203>which pot?r
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07:45<cahoot>the one you ssh to - 22 by defualt
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07:45<Guest2203>someone told me about port 8443-443-5900...what are they about then?
07:46<cahoot>look at /etc/services
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07:48<Guest2203>and then?
07:49<Guest2203>did it
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07:49<abrotman>Guest2203: you can use a reverse tunnel if that is easier
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07:49<cahoot>like grep 443 /etc/services?
07:49<abrotman>sounds like port knocking ?
07:49<abrotman>but the reverse tunnel is probably far easier
07:49<Guest2203>there are https tcp and udp
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07:50<abrotman>i got that part .. but https/tcp/udp ?
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07:51<Guest2203>https 443/tcp # http protocol over TLS/SSL
07:51<Guest2203>https 443/udp
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07:53<Guest2203>is there something wrong?
07:53<cahoot>no - but I'm probably leading you astray
07:54<Guest2203>ok let me tell you the whole aim, it's my fault sorry
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07:54<Guest2203>i've to encapsulate via ssh a tightvnc session
07:54<Guest2203>just this
07:54<Guest2203>but nat it a problem
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07:55<Wooga>how do i disable framebuffer in debian squeeze after instalation ?
07:55<Guest2203>but i can solve it with port forwarding to 22 port of my ssh server if I got it
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07:56<Guest2203>wow thanks a lot :D :D
07:57<Guest2203>i'll follow it closely, hope not to find any new problems
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08:12<penguindeb>can anyone here help me configure my printer???? :-/
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08:13<penguindeb>printer -> samsung ml-2510 and foomatic gui used... get to the end but nothing installs... no change at end of install?!?
08:13<tazz>will provide logs on request
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08:34<Robinux>heya guys i decided to move to debian, just tried to netboot my other laptop i screwed up last week with a lenny netboot.tar.gz but it didn't work with windows, so i'm thinking i'll create a debian virtual machine and do the netbooting but i'm new to debian and want to know which cd-#.iso to download
08:34<Robinux>do i just choose randomly?
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08:35<bremner>netboot.tar.gz? are you sure about that?
08:35<Robinux>what you mean
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08:36<bremner>Robinux: are you trying to netboot or netinstall?
08:36<Robinux>from my windows laptop to the other one but it failed
08:37<bremner>what does netboot mean to you?
08:37<Robinux>the reason is because that other laptop got its cd-rom torn apart and it does support usb-FDD but i don't have a usb stick atm
08:37<bremner>oh, ok, you really want netboot.
08:37<Robinux>not even sure wether usb-FDD can be used to boot off of a usb stick
08:37<bremner>I would spend the 10 currency-units and get a usb stick.
08:38<Robinux>i'm thinking i'll go get a usb stick today but i'm very hesitant about it cuz i'm not sure it will boot off of it
08:38<bremner>netbooting is kindof for-experts-only, since fewer people do it.
08:38<Robinux>but it does have usb legacy emulation thingy
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08:39<Robinux>i understand bremner haha believe me there aren't a lot of usefull posts about it on the net so i kinda had a feeling it was for-experts-only
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08:39<ompaul>Robinux: if you have difficulty, you may want to tell the machine that it has no installed hard drive (disable in bios) so that it picks up the usb stick (I have seen that behaviour in a couple of machines)
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08:39<ompaul>Robinux: not often
08:40<Robinux>but anyhow i found a tutorial from 2006 on how to netboot and install etch and i'll try to do it for lenny
08:40<Robinux>with that tutorial and look for other tuts as well
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08:40<ompaul>Robinux: only if your machine says it can netboot in the bios should you spend any time working on that
08:40<Robinux>oh nice advise
08:40<Robinux>i'll do that
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08:41<Robinux>i guess i'll go get that usb and pray the investment pays off haha
08:41<DoktorNo>how to update debian distro?
08:41<ompaul>Robinux: usb stick is a better way, more support and at least you have an install media if your machine does anything crazy like turn off mid install
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08:42<DoktorNo>I'm not a complete noob, I updated Ubuntu lng before they automated this process
08:42<ompaul>DoktorNo: su - then apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
08:42<Robinux>well it does say it supports PXE LAN booting and it picked up the dchp server while booting but it said something like "boot folder not found" i'm guessing its cuz i'm trying it from a windows tftp32 server thing
08:42<DoktorNo>ompaul: I heard about safeupdate
08:42<cahoot>DoktorNo: what do you want to achieve? update in what respect?
08:43<DoktorNo>ompaul: and before that, change repositories to new one?
08:43<DoktorNo>cahoot: upgrade lenny to squeezy
08:43<ompaul>DoktorNo: you mean upgrade the versions
08:43<cahoot>read /topic then I guess
08:43<Robinux>well ok but still i do want debian wether the other machine works or not
08:43<Robinux>so which CD do i choose from here ""
08:44<ompaul>kde if you want
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08:44<Robinux>well in my 3 or 4 months of linux i've had kde but it was an old kde3
08:44<cahoot>obviously not topic
08:44<dpkg>rumour has it, upgrade is what keeps your box from getting r00ted, or what you do with apt-get. Do an apt-get update first, and then an apt-get upgrade. Ask me about <security>. If you upgrade to a new stable version, read the release notes first. Ask me about <etch->lenny> <lenny->squeeze>.
08:44<Robinux>i'm not gonna lie to you its not the most perfect thing haha but what other options do the other cd's have
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08:45<DoktorNo>ok, got it
08:46<abrotman>you can msg the bot
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08:47<Robinux>ompaul: if i choose another cd randomly what it won't have kde?
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08:49<abrotman>Robinux: not on the CD, but you can install it later
08:51<Robinux>what will come with the cd?
08:51<abrotman>depends which you choose
08:52<Robinux>i see
08:52<Robinux>damn they can't all have different stuff
08:53<Robinux>so lenny's default desktop environment is?
08:53<abrotman>there isn't really a default .. and it still depends which media you use
08:54<abrotman>if you use the generic install CD and choose the Desktop task (i don't really use tasksel), you'll get large portions of gnome
08:54<Robinux>well is changing between desktop environments easy or hard
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08:54<Robinux>i hope the cd with kde has kde4.5
08:55<Robinux>i think i'll grab that one
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08:57<bremner>Robinux: but really, if you have a decent network, the netinstall cd is the way to go
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08:59<Robinux>well you mean i can get that to a usb stick and try it?
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09:00<Robinux>wait i do have a 2GB usb stick if i can get that netinstall cd into it which the 2GB stick should be enough
09:00<jpinx>Robinux: imo do the netinstall - even ona not-wonderful connection, and then create chroots to test different DE's
09:00<Robinux>damn i can't believe i didn't think of that, thank god i came here :P
09:01<Robinux>thanks guys
09:01<muep>doesn't lenny still default to gnome, if you tell the installer to install a desktop environment ?
09:01<pipe>it should, yeah
09:01<Robinux>i have a downloading speed of 200kb/s that should be enough right
09:01<jpinx>muep: yes - which is why I suggested no X, do a chroot, then play
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09:01<Gathond>Robinux: depends on whether you have a deadline to meet
09:02<jpinx>Robinux: stacks - I did a netinsstall over dialup once :(
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09:02<Robinux>nope no deadline to meet gath
09:02<Gathond>Robinux: any bandwidth abobe 0 will be enough technically then:)
09:02*jpinx fails to see why anyone would do anything other than netinstal if they are cconnected
09:03<Robinux>oops sorry that was my little bri
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09:03<Robinux>haha gathond you're right on!
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09:04<Robinux>well guys i still did tell my friend i'll go with him to the electronic shop (damn)
09:04<ompaul>jpinx: low connectivity speed repeating the install until you have it "just right" and you don't worry about getting packages (unless you have a local very large cache server to serve the site)
09:04<Robinux>even though i'm releived i don't have to buy a 4GB usb stick cuz i wanna save the cash man
09:04<jpinx>ompaul: hence installing to a non-x and creating a chroot to experimnet in
09:04<Robinux>so thanks everyone cya later i'll definatly try the netinstall later tonight
09:06<ompaul>jpinx: if you have the skills yes, if not accept a distro default and build on that.
09:06<jpinx>ompaul: sure ;)
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09:08<DoktorNo>I upgraded the kernel to newer version, as bot had adviced me
09:08<DoktorNo>and system does not boot
09:08<DoktorNo>simply, I can see a splash screen for a while
09:08<DoktorNo>and then, nothing happens
09:08<DoktorNo>but I can boot with old kernel
09:09<DoktorNo>any ideas?
09:09<pipe>edit the grub line for the new kernel and remove the splash
09:09<DoktorNo>splash disappears
09:09<DoktorNo>ans all I see is a cursor
09:10<ompaul>DoktorNo: ^^ that might help
09:10<pipe>DoktorNo: mouse cursor or console?
09:10<DoktorNo>when I switch tty's, I can see that booting stopped, just after mounting disks, or something
09:10<pipe>ompaul: Grub is probably long gone after he have seen any kernel splash images
09:10<ompaul>pipe: your point
09:11<pipe>DoktorNo: That's kinda vital.. Just after mounting or just after TRYING to mount and failing?
09:11<DoktorNo>piepe: console cursor
09:11<DoktorNo>I'll try again
09:11<DoktorNo>in single user mode
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09:11<cahoot>you want to disable the splash to be able to see any error msg
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09:21<DoktorNo>it booted
09:21<DoktorNo>but It simply needs more time
09:21<pipe>Sounds bad
09:21<DoktorNo>it freezes just before probbing udev
09:21<DoktorNo>then its goes quickly
09:22<DoktorNo>now I'm booted into newest kernel
09:22<DoktorNo>so I quess I can proceed with upgrade
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09:24<DoktorNo> -> is this a good advice?
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09:26<rpetre>this factoid might have newer stuff
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09:26<locklace>dpkg: lenny->squeeze
09:26<dpkg>WARNING: upgrade your kernel prior to the rest of the packages. Remove any APT source specific to stable (volatile, backports), then change lenny to squeeze in the sources.list. aptitude update && aptitude install linux-image-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,'` ; reboot into 2.6.32 kernel; aptitude full-upgrade. If full-upgrade fails, try "apt-get dist-upgrade". See <squeeze release notes>, <squeeze udev>, <apt-listchanges>, <testing>.
09:26<DoktorNo>On the other hand...
09:26<DoktorNo>I need newer distro to run fglrx driver properly
09:26<pipe>I mostly prefer to start from a clean slate whenever it's time to upgrade
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09:27<pipe>To get rid of old cruft, enforce sorting out old documents that shouldn't be in random places etc
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09:27<pipe>And all those stupid configuration changes you made a year ago when you had no clue
09:29<DoktorNo>My box is fresh, just two weeks old
09:30<DoktorNo>oh God, aptitude wants to uninstall gnome :O
09:30<jpinx>good news :)
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09:31<locklace>aptitude has good taste that way
09:32<DoktorNo>I don't get it
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09:32<jpinx>DoktorNo: I use lxde
09:32<qq->,versions gnome
09:32<judd>Package gnome on i386 -- etch: 1:; lenny: 1:2.22.2~5; squeeze: 1:2.30+1; sid: 1:2.30+4
09:32<jpinx>DoktorNo: if you don't get it that's because you maybe have not explored the optional DE's
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09:32<DoktorNo>I think, I'm not ready for upgrade
09:33<jpinx>DoktorNo: upgrade from what to what?
09:33<jpinx>DoktorNo: I thought you said it is a fresh install - 2 weeks old?
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09:35<jpinx>DoktorNo: did you follow the guide here ?
09:36<DoktorNo>now I'm booted to new kernel
09:36<jpinx>dpkg: lenny->squeeze
09:36<dpkg>WARNING: upgrade your kernel prior to the rest of the packages. Remove any APT source specific to stable (volatile, backports), then change lenny to squeeze in the sources.list. aptitude update && aptitude install linux-image-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,'` ; reboot into 2.6.32 kernel; aptitude full-upgrade. If full-upgrade fails, try "apt-get dist-upgrade". See <squeeze release notes>, <squeeze udev>, <apt-listchanges>, <testing>.
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09:38<DoktorNo>I'll wait until squezzy will be stable
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09:49<bognu>we publish it on
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09:49<bognu>cahoot, cahoot,
09:49<bognu>cahoot, we publish it on sourceforge
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09:50<Robinux>hey umm is this the iso for cd's and usb sticks ""
09:50<cahoot>as source then - not precompiled as you hinted at first? bognu
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09:51<bognu>cahoot, sorry. Actually I havent even started. I was more looking for some words to search for. Or some howtos to read.
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09:54<Robinux>is it possible to do a wireless netinstall
09:55<cthuluh>not if using wpa, but perhaps is it possible with web
09:55<cthuluh>or perhaps did it change in the squeeze installer
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09:56<Robinux>there is no security on the wireless network
09:56<cthuluh>so it should be okay. try it and see :)
09:56<Robinux>but i can connect the laptop to another laptop with an ethernet crossover cable to a laptop that's connected to the wireless connection
09:57<Robinux>is that a good idea?
09:57<Robinux>but first i'll try it normally and hope it works :D
09:57<cthuluh>well, the other option should be fine too
09:57<cthuluh>but think about securing your wireless network
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10:00<Robinux>i'm going to download "debian-506-i386-netinst.iso" and load it to a 2gb usb stick
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10:26<bremner>Robinux: fwiw, it should fit on a much smaller USB stick
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10:31<pumpkin>Hi. why does target1 work and target2 not? . The files and 1.d are in the same folder. Thanks
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10:39<bzed>pumpkin: actually I'm wondering why target1 works
10:39<pumpkin>bzed, why not?
10:40<pumpkin>target 2 gives me "make: *** No rule to make target `1.m', needed by `target2'. Stop.", target1 executed the touch-command.
10:40<bzed>yeah and 1.o is probably created from the make defaults
10:40<bzed>guess it compiled to 1.o
10:41<pumpkin>via the command "make target1" ?
10:41<bzed>how should 1.m match on .d.m ?
10:42<pumpkin>bzed, it is the old notation for inference rules...
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10:44<bzed>pumpkin: .o: and .m: would work then
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11:03<user01>so do all 326 bugs need to be resolved before squeeze is released?
11:05<user01>or is there a vote about how many bugs are acceptable?
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11:13<Robinux>umm guys is there a way to boot off of the usb from grub command line?
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11:16<jpinx>Robinux: probably, but sorting out the device nomenclature in grub will be a challenge
11:16<chealer>user01: there is no vote, but many of these bugs just need triaging and are not actually release-critical.
11:16<Robinux>i see
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11:18<user01>chealer, ah ok . . wondered how that worked . . . so it is probably closer to official release than i think
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11:18<pipe>user01: Fix the remaining bugs and it'll be even closer ;)
11:18<user01>pipe, id be happy to if i knew how
11:19<user01>pipe, i do translation usually intead
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11:22<chealer>user01: on the other hand, there will be new RC bugs until the release, and there are already some unreported too...
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11:26<user01>chealer, oh . . . well ive been running testing on a couple computers, one in virtual machine, they've been pretty stable i think . . . a great deal of "no maintainer" message though when i aptitude
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11:29<BarackO>are there any NETFILTER_NETLINK_LOG logging daemons available yet? (as opposed to ULOG)
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11:33<BarackO>I guess NFLOG is an alternative description
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11:38<locklace>BarackO: ulogd2
11:39<BarackO>locklace - I don't seem to be able to find it in the debian repository
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11:41<locklace>it's not in debian. you have to build it yourself
11:42<BarackO>ok thanks locklace
11:43<Robinux>anyone know anything about usb-fdd legacy emulation
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11:55<hasan>when I sudo touch a file with a user, I can delete it without sudo the user to rm the file. although the file itself belongs to root:root with 644. how does this work?
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11:57<Gathond>hasan: does the user happen to own the directory?
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11:57<hasan>yes, its his home dir
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11:57<Gathond>without remembering it exactly I would say that is the reason
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11:59<cthuluh>hasan: chattr +i foo
11:59<bremner>hasan: Gathond has it more or less correct. Permission to delete a file is write permission on the parent directory
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12:00<tash>guys any of you has tried the Debian GNU (I mean with Hurd)
12:00<hasan>thats correct, but how is it possible to delete a root's file with 600 perm in the home dir of a user without sudoing the rm command?
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12:01<cthuluh>hasan: read again what bremner said
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12:02<cthuluh>the obvious solution is to chattr +i the file. perhaps you could do something similar with ACLs
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12:03<hasan>cthuluh, thx that helped me. chattr.
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12:04<hasan>and yes, it is the write bit on users home dir.
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12:05<BarackO>how do I find out the module parameters for the ramoops kernel module? (no luck with google :()
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12:12<mase>BarackO modinfo?
12:13<BarackO>thanks mase I will try it when I reboot with ramoops built as a module
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12:24<monkey_d_luffy>What differences exist between debootstrap and cdebootstrap ?
12:25<monkey_d_luffy>anything in terms of speed or functionality?
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12:32<bremner>monkey_d_luffy: they have different bugs. cdebootstrap is supposed to be the replacement iirc, but somehow both are useful from time to time.
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12:32<bremner>monkey_d_luffy: I _think_ deboostrap supports running in non-debian contexts better.
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12:34<pff>who *
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12:42<monkey_d_luffy>bremner: ok thanks. I've read that cdebootstrap is the c implementation version of debootstrap (which I assume to be a set of scripts). So it should be faster, but I was just wondering if it was lacking features or the like
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12:43<bremner>monkey_d_luffy: truthfully, unless you are building chroot's all day, use whichever works.
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12:51<pipe>I would be extremely surprised if debootstrap was cpubound
12:51<pipe>unless your CPU is slower than the network and disk
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13:05<j0k3r>whear i can download the debian OS for 32-bits
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13:06<pipe>Look for "i386"
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13:08<j0k3r>pipe, i can't find the download section. for i386
13:10<edbian>Right now I have su root and sudo working on my system. how can I switch so that it's just sudo?
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13:11<f8l>edbian: I don't think it's possible.
13:12<edbian>f8l, Isn't it bad practice to have both?
13:12<icebrain>why? sudo and su serve different purposes
13:12<f8l>edbian: But wait. You can disable root's password...
13:12*f8l does not have sudo.
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13:13<edbian>How can I disable the root password?
13:13<dpkg>methinks wheel is n. [from slang `big wheel' for a powerful person] The traditional name of security group zero in BSD. Irrelevant in Debian default configs. You can use a PAM module to allow only group wheel to su to root (as is the default in some Unices), or to allow group wheel to su to root without a password. See man pam_wheel for details.
13:13<edbian>icebrain, I don't wanna get rid of su (that's crazy)
13:13<macwolf74>edbian, just don't use it?
13:13<tash>but you can just... don't use it :S
13:13<edbian>alright I'll do that then
13:13<macwolf74>i had the correct answer lol
13:14<icebrain>!beer macwolf74
13:14*dpkg deftly decants a fine Green Flash IPA for macwolf74
13:14<f8l>edbian: `passwd -l root`, but first read the manual for passwd.
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13:15<edbian>f81 so sudo had better be working before I do that
13:16<tash>I kinda dislike using sudo instead su, they do diferent things, and putting sudo in front of every command does not sounds sexy to me
13:16<f8l>edbian: It's L, not one. Of course, but you said you already have it functional.
13:17<edbian>Thanks for the help guys
13:17<j0k3r>edbian, hellow
13:17<edbian>tash, It gets annoying
13:17<edbian>tash, But help me remember I'm root
13:17<edbian>j0k3r, hi
13:18<icebrain>edbian: change root's shell to red background :P
13:18<edbian>icebrain, clever
13:18<j0k3r>edbian, i saw you in ubuntu channel
13:18<tash>sudo does not make you root :(
13:18<edbian>j0k3r, Oh hi! :)
13:19<j0k3r>Hi 2!
13:19<Gathond>tash: it does for that duration
13:19<bremner>tash: sudo -s
13:20<tash>su -c :)
13:20<Gathond>the real purpose of sudo is to limit it though
13:20<Gathond>so people can do what they need without getting the master password
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13:21<llutz>edbian: why "misusing" sudo as su-replacement? sudo is to give people limited root-permissions without giving them roots password.
13:21<pipe>except that now the master password is your personal one
13:22<Gathond>pipe: ONLY to the bits sudo gives you access to
13:22<edbian>llutz, It's hardly misusing.
13:22<pipe>Gathond: Which will be all by default, IIRC
13:22<Gathond>its not sudos fault that no one cares to configure it to anything but granting total access to everything :)
13:22<Gathond>pipe: actually the default is no one is in sudoers iirc
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13:22<Gathond>or root is,
13:22<Gathond>at least it was in my last clean debian install
13:23<Gathond>although that was ... well 4+ years back I think
13:23<pipe>But I don't remember how it is now either
13:23<llutz>Gathond: its the ubuntu-way and all users think it has to be like that
13:24<Gathond>well ubuntu has just choosen to make the default user the root admin
13:24<Gathond>only asking for password, same approach as windows really
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13:24<pipe>A very sane choice for ubuntu, I think
13:24<Gathond>sudo is really more usefull on servers lots of people access
13:24<Gathond>for ubuntu the approach is entirely sane I agree
13:25<edbian>windows approach was to make every user effectively root all the time.
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13:25<pipe>A good option pre-1970
13:25<Gathond>edbian: yes, WAS
13:25<Gathond>the UAE stuff in vista and 7 attempts to do exactly the same as I can see
13:26<Gathond>ask the user for the sudo password whenever something tries to do something
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13:26<Gathond>just with the password being clicking yes
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13:27<tash>clicking yes is so cryptic
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13:34<pipe>so click "no"
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13:36<krtek>hello,why compile minimal program on C in Linux, without libc?
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13:36<kmap>krtek: Your question is not clear. Do you want to compile a C program?
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13:36<kmap>pipe: Oh, thanks.
13:37<pipe>I *think*
13:37<krtek>After -nostdlib -nostartfiles -nodefaultlibs segmentation foult
13:37<kmap>krtek: gdb and backtrace?
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13:38<pipe>When you remove all that, you need to set up a lot of stuff yourself
13:38<pipe>Since you have to actually ask about the gcc flags, you have a lot to learn :P
13:38<krtek>write no _start address
13:40<krtek>Y read, but there minimal programmon assembler
13:41<krtek>Y want compile minimal programm int main(void){return 0;} on C, without libc, simbols and other, but it not running success
13:41<krtek>Where problem&
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13:43<krtek>help me, please.
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13:44<jordanm>krtek: I would go with ##c on
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13:47<pipe>bay bay
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13:49<tash>why come to #debian , don't get it =/ , maybe he is using debian
13:52<tash>where is the place where I can see the packages that maybe can be included in debian?
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13:54<pipe>you mean that haven't got into sid yet?
13:54<tash>I guess is
13:54<tash>for example
13:54<tash>Leiningen isn't in debian, and I awnt to know if there is anybody working on it
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13:58<johfel_>tash: or see for questions like this the bugs of the 'virtual' wnpp package:
13:58<bremner>which is exactly what searches
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13:59<johfel_>yes, of course.
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13:59<tash>wow, that is just nice, thanks
14:00<tash>it seems like there isn't anybody working on Leiningen right now
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14:35<Nazcafan>my computer screen goes off after ten minutes of activity, regardless of my gnome energy settings
14:35<Nazcafan>does anyone know about that?
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14:35<ampe>check screensaver-settings?
14:36<mase_>Nazcafan how do you get it on again?
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14:37<Nazcafan>mase_, just by touching the touchpad or keyboard
14:37<Nazcafan>ampe: screensaver-settings, I don't have tha binary
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14:38<Nazcafan>ampe, how do I check that
14:38<ampe>nazcafan: in gnome menu, under screensaver
14:38<[B]randon>So I got owned and the guy deleted my userdel, and deluser, anyway I can get it back? :{
14:38<Nazcafan>I meant ten minutes of INactivity
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14:39<bremner>[B]randon: if you can, you should install from scratch to remove any trojans etc...
14:39<Nazcafan>ampe, I don't have that option, I only have something that could roughly be translated to "energy settings"
14:39<[B]randon>nah he didn't do nothin bad
14:39<[B]randon>just gave himself root with NOPASSWD:
14:39<[B]randon>into the sudoers, and deleted visudo, and deluser and userdel
14:39<[B]randon>already deleted him from the /etc/sudoers, just needa del his acc now ;[
14:40<ompaul>[B]randon: and you trust all the binaries, and logs on the box?
14:40<bremner>[B]randon: how do you know he didn't do anything bad?
14:40<blarson>[B]randon: apt-get install --reinstall the package deluser is in.
14:40<[B]randon>he's already been to prison once ;)
14:40<ompaul>[B]randon: and that increases trust?
14:40<mase_>[B]randon its package "passwd" i think
14:41<[B]randon>thanks mase_
14:41<[B]randon>ompaul I have things that would get him put away for life :)
14:41<ampe>nazcafan: even worse translated: system->properties->screensaver
14:41<blarson>[B]randon: appears to be adduser
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14:42<blarson>[B]randon: Do you know how he got in and have you fixed that problem?
14:42<[B]randon>I let him in
14:42<[B]randon>i told him to be good, not do anything illegal
14:42<[B]randon>and he goes and codes UDP DDoS in perl
14:42<[B]randon>im like tsk tsk, no no, so he goes bye bye :P
14:42<Nazcafan>ampe, I don't have that
14:43<Nazcafan>ampe, I guess it's not installed on my computer
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14:43<[B]randon>it's not adduser, or passwd :{
14:43<ampe>nazcafan: hmm, maybe from starting from terminal: gnome-screensaver-preferences
14:44<mase_>[B]randon you can try to search userdel in ""
14:44<ampe>nazcafan: your problem sounds as if the screensaver is triggering (and blanking the screen) after 10 minutes
14:44<Nazcafan>ampe, package gnome-screensaver is not installed
14:45<macwolf74>screensaver needs to be installed
14:45<ampe>nazcafan: maybe you try to install and configure it
14:45<Nazcafan>ampe, do I need it?
14:45<Nazcafan>this seemed to work very well some time ago
14:46<ampe>does anybody else know howto configure x-screen-saver?
14:46<Nazcafan>ampe, and how does it interact with the gnome-power-preferences program?
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14:47<ampe>nazcafan: screensaver is only blanking screens, wihle powe-rmanager can turn them off
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14:47<Nazcafan>how do I know which of the two is happening?
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14:48<Nazcafan>I see the screen saying "no signal"
14:48<ampe>nazcafan: i quick search on google:
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14:49<ampe>nazcafan: maybe you try something with xset and check if it works
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14:51<Nazcafan>I see I have a 600 seconds time out
14:51<Nazcafan>and I wonder where that bloody comes from
14:52<Nazcafan>and why it is not inhibited by vlc
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14:52<Nazcafan>(it's kind of annoying to have to go touch the touchpad every ten minutes when you
14:52<Nazcafan>watch a movie)
14:54<ampe>try to disable screen blanking in xorg.conf:
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15:00<ampe>nazcafan, if you want to disable screenscaver only when vlc is active, try starting vlc via a screipt, which executes "xset s 0" and "xset dpms 0" before
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15:05<Nazcafan>ampe, I'll consider that, but I really would prefer that the gnome-power-settings could make xset obey or something alike
15:05<Nazcafan>and that vlc could do that by default
15:05<Nazcafan>and I think it did, before …
15:07<ampe>nazcafan, but this should be a problem specific to vlc
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15:08<ampe>nazcafan, did you have tried mplayer? in mplayer config you can set "stop-xscreensaver=1"
15:09<Nazcafan>ampe, I have two problems actually
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15:09<Nazcafan>problem 1 : gnome power manager settings are not enforced
15:09<ampe>nazcafan, hwat is the second?
15:10<Nazcafan>I have set the blanking to "never" and it is not obeyed
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15:10<Nazcafan>problem 2 is the vlc stuff, and I am ALMOST sure that by default, vlc just shuts the screensaver off
15:10<Nazcafan>so something has gone wrong on my system
15:11<ampe>nazcafan, ok, on my system i have installed both gnome-screensaver and gnome powermanager
15:12<Nazcafan>ampe, I'll try to install gnome-screensaver, but it seems kind of weird
15:12<ampe>settings set by gnomescreensaver seems to have a higher priority tan gnome-powermanager
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15:12<ampe>my settings are screensaver:10 minutes, powermanager: 30 minutes -- and screen blanks after 10 minutes
15:13<Nazcafan>blanks == no signal ?
15:13<ampe>no, only black screen - no "no signal" on external monitor
15:14<ampe>so that is my gnome-screensaver setting (blank screen)
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15:16<monkey_d_luffy>Does anyone knows on how much does debian's busybox differs from the original one? Debian has a (bad) tradition of heavily patching things up, and I was wondering if the busybox changes were minor or something more exaustive.
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15:20<mase__>monkey_d_luffy what differences do you mean? parameters for commands?
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15:21<Nazcafan>ampe, I set gnome-screensave to 1 minute and I got nothing
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15:23<monkey_d_luffy>mase__: for example: stripped down (ie: less features) mount or losetup commands. Or different udev (smaller footprint but also with less features).
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15:23<monkey_d_luffy>for example, I can see that udev still doesn't fills /dev/disk/by-uuid
15:24<mase__>monkey_d_luffy what differences do you mean? parameters for commands?
15:25<mase__>monkey_d_luffy udev in busybox? i thought busybox does not contain anything about udev
15:25<monkey_d_luffy>mase__: it does
15:26<monkey_d_luffy>otherwise how would it detect devices?
15:26<mase__>at least udev contains a daemon, busybox does not i think
15:28<mase__>doesn't busybox only provide a set of commands?
15:28<franki^>How does ls detect devices? Or in another words, why does busybox need to detect devices?
15:29<franki^>But, it can use "mdev" or something; some miny version of udev *shrug*
15:29<franki^>Erm, mini*
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15:30<franki^>Or use udev, or use some other method, I think
15:30<monkey_d_luffy>mase__: udev can run as a daemon.
15:30<monkey_d_luffy>in busybox
15:31<monkey_d_luffy>brb in 10m
15:31<ampe>nazcafan, that sounds weird...
15:31<mase__>'in' busybox?
15:32<ampe>nazcafan, what are your settings exactly in gnome-screensaver? did you disabled screen blanking and dpms in xorg.conf?
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15:52<Proletar>Hmm... Has there been any updates on Debian installer's raid detection?
15:53<Proletar>More specificly, can I finally find the partitions on my raid1 setup without having to format the entire drive?
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15:56<Proletar>Meh, correction: raid0
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15:59<zeus>hi all, i've installed squeeze today. i'm now trying to install egroupware. Aptitude can't find it. I was using it in lenny. How is this possible ?
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16:01<bremner>it seems not to be in squeeze.
16:02<bremner>at the moment, anyway
16:02<f8l>zeus: Probably you are missing a sources.list entry.
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16:03<f8l>zeus: AFAIK squeeze is not yet a standalone distribution, and it relies on packages from stable.
16:03<bremner>f8l: no, that isn't it.
16:04<f8l>bremner: Oh. Sorry.
16:04<bremner>it is true that packages are being added and deleted to squeeze now, as is always the case for testing
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16:04<zeus>f8l: ok
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16:05<zeus>bremner: thank you for your help...
16:05<f8l>So the package will disappear from stable when Squeeze is released?
16:05<zeus>f8l: yes
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16:05<bremner>it may be possible to make a backport later, if the maintenence of it improves
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16:06<bremner>it sounds like upstream is ok, but it lacked maintenence in debian (according to the bug I referenced)
16:07<zeus>bremner: anyway ... ubuntu has it on their repos... probably someone can backport it from ubuntu
16:07<bremner>zeus: it doesn't work that way in general.
16:08<zeus>my question is solved ... thank you all for your help.
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16:09<zeus>bremner: you're right but many mantainer works to the same package in ubuntu and debian
16:09<bremner>zeus: oh, sure, maybe a team will come together.
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16:11<Proletar>Guess I'll just have to get the latest image and try the installer again to see if it will detect my raid0 partitions
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16:27<Proletar>Hum... Since Debian install cd/dvd's are unable to find un-used partitions and free space inside a sata raid0, does anyone here have a _easy_ way of installing Debian to an already existing raid0 setup? Only means I have located sofar is really hard to set up and requires a 3 step raid array and lots of other anoying thingamahjongs
16:27<cthuluh>well, software raid is not hard to set up
16:28<Proletar>Without losing the hardware raid?
16:28<cthuluh>hardware / bios raid is far more difficult to use if your debian version doesn't have the peoper drivers to see the disk array
16:28<Proletar>I just downloaded the latest install DVD
16:29<Proletar>It showed no difference from the last try I had a couple months back, meaning it only shows the 2 drives as physical drives
16:29<tash>why DVD? do you really need all the software that came with it ?
16:29<cthuluh>Proletar: it doesn't give us any detail. debian stable? testing? which raid controller?
16:29<Proletar>Not neccesarily no, I just figured that it would have additional drivers and other things and also allow more of a choice
16:30<cthuluh>all the drivers are included in the netinstall CD
16:30<pipe>Unless of course you don't have a network
16:30<pipe>Then the DVD make sense
16:30<Proletar>Well lets see.. Debian stable, raid controller is a onboard on a Gigabyte card, I'll have to check the motherboard site
16:30<tash>only then
16:30<pipe>gigabyte, doesn't sound like raid
16:30<cthuluh>oh, onboard controller?
16:30<cthuluh>looks like shitty pseudo-raid
16:30<pipe>sounds like "windows raid", which means no raid
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16:30<tash>a pci card for raid I guess
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16:31<Proletar>pipe, it's a bios setup raid from the Gigabyte motherboard's onboard controller
16:31<pipe>Yeah, but those are never hardware implemented
16:31<cthuluh>go with linux software raid
16:31<Proletar> <-- This motherboard
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16:32<Proletar>cthuluh, would not that mean that I lose the already set up raid?
16:32<bzed>Proletar: do you want to run windows from the same drives?
16:32<Proletar>For now atleast
16:32<bzed>you're stuck with the dm_raid crap then
16:32<bzed>Proletar: I'm not sure how well the lenny installer handles that
16:33<bzed>Proletar: but chances are good that the debian testing installer will detect your raid, at least when you run it in expert mode and you load the dm_raid part
16:33<cthuluh>!tell Proletar -about kmuto
16:33<bzed>although that stuff sucks, the best thing is to get rid of it
16:33<bzed>cthuluh: I doubt kmuto packages a new dm_raid on the installer. not sure if a new kernel is enough
16:33<Proletar>Aslong as it means losing the raid, it's not an option right now
16:34<bzed>Proletar: jus give the testing installer a try and see if it detects your raid
16:34<Proletar>Losing the current raid that is
16:34<Proletar>Will do
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16:34<Proletar>Still checking the gigabyte info to see if the onboard controller setups a hardware, software or hybrid raid
16:34<bzed>Proletar: or try the kmuto intsaller cthuluh and dpkg told you about
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16:35<bzed>Proletar: you can be pretty sure that it is a crappy kind of software raid
16:35<Proletar>It's worked fairly good sofar for me
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16:37<Proletar>Infact, I haven't had any trouble with it, except having to load extra drivers during Win7 installation
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16:39<Proletar>I don't see why I go through all this hassle every 6ish months just to see if Linux has become viable as a gaming option :<
16:41<Proletar>Speaking of which, does anyone here have any experience with PlayonLinux? Just looking for a basic quick opinion on it
16:41<rudi_s>Proletar: IMO it's not, but that's what dualboot is for ;-)
16:41<rudi_s>it's = linux
16:42<Proletar>rudi_s, I don't see a point in engrossing myself in 2 OS'es just to be able to game and use a pc normally :P
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16:43<rudi_s>Proletar: Well, then no games for you :-)
16:43<Proletar>Sure Windows has it's limitations and.. Well Micro$oft. But my dislike for Microsoft isn't great enough to give up gaming just to use Linux (yet :P )
16:44<Proletar>Anyways, image has been burned now, wish me luck
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16:45<rudi_s>Good luck ;-)
16:45<tash>hurd is a reality today, so the GNU OS is complete
16:46<tash>well almost :P
16:47<opticon>can someone help me find guide that explains how to get ssl/tls working for proftpd ive found a few and followed but its not working.....
16:47<opticon>i do have openssl used it to create cert
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16:48<opticon>made modifications to proftpd.conf <IfModule mod_tls.c>
16:48<opticon>so that tls is enabled
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16:49<mjt>ifmodule is a conditional, not directive
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17:21<Proletar>Well, I had a derp moment when firing up the cd, I totally forgot how and when to load in the dmraid, reading up on that now, expert mode was tried and did not display the info without dmraid atleast
17:21<Proletar>Also, found out that the raid controller is a Jmicron JMB363
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17:30<Proletar>Heh, I must have had a brain fart when deciding which ports to use. I didn't notice that the Jmicron JMB363 controller is on the PCI Express bus and the other controller is part of the southbridge
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17:39<Proletar>So, seeing as I have to re-make my raid anyways, what's a satisfactory means of having a raid 0 setup for both my Win7 and Linux?
17:41<mAniAk->how have you raided them
17:41<Proletar>Currently, theyre using a onboard controller with a BIOS raid
17:42<mAniAk->are you using dmraid in linux?
17:42<Proletar>But I'll have to change them over to a different controller and in the process I have to delete the raid so I'm basicly left with blank 2x1TB drives on a onboard controller
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17:43<Proletar>What I need is: Raid 0 with most of the space from the 2x1TB drives to hold Windows, and a raid 0 with some leftover space to hold Debian
17:43<Proletar>From what I can gather, my options are to use either:
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17:44<Proletar>Bios controlled SATA raid, and dmraid for the Linux
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17:44<Proletar>Or, Windows Raid for half the setup and Linux raid for the rest
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17:45<Proletar>Actually, I think I'll just go for the third option and dig out a leftover SATA drive and slap that into my system for Debian, this is starting to become too much work :P
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17:49<Proletar>I'm off!
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17:50<locklace>dpkg: qotd0
17:50<dpkg><enouf> abrotman: you're a turd for insulting retarted people
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18:01*monkey_d_luffy hugs dpkg
18:02<monkey_d_luffy>dpkg: why so serious?
18:02<dpkg>parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, monkey_d_luffy
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18:08<opticon>what does this mean? uncomment the Include /etc/proftpd/tls.conf line:
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18:13<opticon>it means remove #
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18:13<locklace>!congratulate opticon
18:13<dpkg>Woohoo opticon, you did it!
18:13<opticon>i spend 30mins trying to figure it out
18:14<opticon>that little # was preventing tls from working for me......
18:14<opticon>now it works
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18:27<dpkg><nvz> especially when you are to ignorant to spell properly
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18:30<chealer>I'm trying to get this HTML page to validate:
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18:31<chealer>the W3C validator tells me there are about 37 errors, or 117 if I upload the file manually to it (I normally ask Web Developer to validate local HTML)
18:32<chealer>in both cases the errors given are really weird
18:32<cthuluh>perhaps should you go to #html on
18:32<chealer>I gave up on it and tried the WDG validator at
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18:33<chealer>that one tells me there's a single error: Line 1, character 109: ... xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd"> Error: unrecognized DOCTYPE; unable to check document
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18:34<chealer>which is also odd, since the application obviously usually generates valid doctypes, and I can't find anything wrong double-checking
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18:36<chealer>so i tried the packaged form of it, wdg-html-validator (squeeze version). this one also has 100+ errors, and also very weird ones, starting with "Error at line 1, character 109: DTD did not contain element declaration for document type name"
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18:37<chealer>can anyone see something really wrong with that document, or explain what "DTD did not contain element declaration for document type name" means, in this case?
18:37<icebrain>chealer: /connect, /j #html
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20:04<Kain|afk>hi everyone, what Port of debian should i install if i have Mobile Intel Celeron M 380?
20:05<tash>kain|afk how much ram?
20:05<tash>I guess anyway the x86 is the best choise
20:06<Kain|afk>ok, thanks
20:07<Kain|afk>sorry but i dont know how much ram, its not my computer
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20:07*cthuluh doesn't see why ram should be important :P
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20:07<tash>neither do I, don't even know why did I ask for it
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20:08<cthuluh>sometimes, you know, your fingers type faster than you think
20:08<cthuluh>(it happens to me a lot of times)
20:08<Kain|afk>goodbye everyone:D
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20:08<tash>Kain|afk you'l be ok with x86
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21:21<ericzartan>hi room
21:21<ericzartan>can anyone tell my why my abiword AND ooo are not working?
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21:22<tash>in fact we can't
21:22<tash>you need to give more info
21:23<ericzartan>weird thing is it works when log in as another user- but with my user both abiword and ooo don't display any text - they open to blank docs
21:23<ericzartan>I have reinstalled both
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21:24<ericzartan> I think I messed up java or something but it's been so long its hard to localize the origin
21:25<tash>the same error with both of them?
21:25<tash>abiword doesn't use java
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21:25<tash>how are the permissions set to those files you're trying to open
21:25<ericzartan>BUT I can type something into abiword - see nothing and then ctrl-A and change fonts - voila! there it is. I take this and paste it into ooo and that works too
21:25<icebrain>even OOo only uses it for a couple of non-important thing
21:26<ericzartan>also ooo cannot open odt or .odf docs all blank!
21:27<tash>font problem?
21:27<tash>it seems like...
21:28<ericzartan>i suspect that too - I installed fonty python and it worked good. Then came a system update upgrade- but like said there is too much time in between and i don't know which one caused the error
21:28<ericzartan>and - if I log on as guest and use abi or ooo it works!
21:28<ericzartan>so maybe fonty python kille a directory?
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21:28<ericzartan> I dunno that much about computers really
21:29<tash>when I open a document with a font that is unknown to my system, it just uses another and show the document, your situation is weird
21:29<ericzartan>yes I agree!
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21:30<ericzartan>I really dont feel like reinstalling anything again, and using guest as user is also lame
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21:34<eric_>@tash - still there?
21:35<eric_>irc changed my name!
21:35<franki^>ericzartan: If they work with another user you can probably just mv the dot files (or directories)
21:35<tash>am here, but no clue at all, if you say that is a problem of your user, it seems like a conf file worg o permissions
21:36<franki^>Try moving the conf files from .conf to .conf.bak
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21:36<eric_>hmmm move the files - can you tell me the address complete?
21:36<eric_>user bin or what?
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21:37<franki^>Sorry I can't because I don't use Abiword or OpenOffice, but I'd guess at something like /home/user/.abiword
21:37<eric_>where is .conf?
21:37<franki^>I was just using "conf" as a generic name
21:37<tash>an apt-get purge won be helpfull?
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21:38<eric_>I'll try apt-get purge, wait a sec please
21:39<franki^>Purging should remove the configuration files, so when you reinstall it would be equivalent to basically removing the conf files (like I'm suggesting, only more destructive :>)
21:39<eric_>naa, apt-get purge was fruitless
21:40<tash>eric_: $ apt-get purge abiword?
21:40<eric_>but I only input "apt-get purge" do I have to input "apt-get purge ooo"? or
21:40<eric_>OK i'll try that
21:42<eric_>oh that removed abiword- will reinstall now
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21:45<eric_>Damn! didnt work! Abiword is reinstalled and same problem! totally perplexing! when I type something it can be seen but MICRO small! mark all text and choose new font and there it is! with ooo, cant even input text or open odt odf docs. but can paste a text from abiword into ooo and then it works! weird shit man!
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21:45<eric_>I will try aptget purge with ooo also, gimme a sec
21:46<tash>franki^ may I ask what do you use to procces text? o you just don't do it at all?
21:47<eric_>leafpad or mousepad
21:47<eric_>they work fine right now
21:48<franki^>tash: I use Emacs :)
21:48<tash>so you don't need to process text at all, or use latex?
21:49<eric_>I just purged+autremove ooo am reinstalling right now
21:50<franki^>Right, I only edit plain text. I have used Latex, but I don't use it regularly
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21:51<tash>franki^: I see, I like emacs too, in fact, I'm learning it :)
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21:51<tash>eric_ check if this helps you
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21:52<franki^>tash: I'm still learning too, you could try hanging out in #emacs over on Freenode. Although they don't spend that much time talking about Emacs! :)
21:52<franki^>I've got to go now, good luck with your problem eric_ o/
21:52<tash>franki^: see ya
21:53<eric_>Well jsut reinstalle ooo - but no result! When I type into the newly opened doc - nothing! But if I hit the "edit" button it shows what I typedQ
21:53<eric_>thanks for the link tash- will try it out - bye!
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22:05<eric_>ALLRIGHT! That worked for abiword! will try the same for ooo
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22:05<tash>eric_: nice to hear that
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22:12<eric_>thanks! but it doesnt work with ooo- i found the template folder in ooo - there was not template! so I added one .ott and didnt work, added another in .stw still doesnt work! Seems the fix for abiword was much simpler!
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22:19<byrd_cleveland>hey I use squeeze with kde - can someone tell me how to determine which soundserver I use (pulseaudio etc.) ?
22:20<eric_>@tash THANKS! that was it! worked fine! now that is the beauty of the Linux community! Try getting that kind of support for windows! hahaha
22:20<eric_>I guess when i installed fontypython I or it must have kicked the default fonts out
22:20<eric_>no idea but at least it works now - thanks again tash
22:21<tash>eric_: You're welcome :)
22:21<eric_>do you at least get paid for this kinda stuff?
22:22<tash>eric_: lol no, we help because we love helping the neighbors ^^
22:24<eric_>that is maybe the one weakness of open source - no dough! OK thanks again, I'm in Germany - 4.23 in the morning gotta go! take it easy! c-u
22:24<tash>eric_: good night !
22:24<tash>eric_: you're welcome again ;)
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23:01<azeem_>anybody wanna chat
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23:03<alvarezp>yes, me ;-)
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23:17<cthuluh>not me
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23:19<tash>I dislike chatting (doh)
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23:23<kop>tash: If you want to learn emacs the tuitorial is good. Also checkout docbook, there's an emacs mode, and lyx is pretty cool too.
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23:30<tash>thanks kop, I'll check docbook, and you say that there is a lyx mode for emacs? am reading about lyx and it seems good, looks like easier to learn than latex.
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23:31<kop>tash: Nah. Lyx is an alternative to word processing. Emacs is serious editor/ide land. (Check out etags.)
23:32<tash>kop: so the only way to process text in emacs is via latex ?
23:32<kop>tash: ? What do you mean "process text"? Emacs does spell checking, layout, etc.
23:33<tash>kop: format, font, aling.. like abiword
23:33<kop>tash: Ah. You could write latex in emacs, or docbook. Docbook is O'Reily's pre-press format.
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23:34<dpkg>docbook is probably a sgml or xml dtd used for docmentation authoring. documentation for it can be found at Install: docbook, docbook{-doc,-styles,-xml,-xt,-too}, sgml{-base,-data}, task-sgml, task-sgml-dev, jade. See: docbook-markup
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23:35<kop>tash: There's probably other options too. It's emacs after all. (No doubt someday there'll be a open office xml format mode (I forgot the name. MS has poisened my brain.))
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23:35<tash>ods :)
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23:36<kop>tash: That's the 3 letter extension.
23:38<tash>kop: ohh.. I see
23:39<tash>I'll check latex and docbook
23:39<tash>seems interesting
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23:57<kingsley>Can any MTA deliver email to a computer with a dynamically assigned IP address? If so, how?
23:58<jrabbit>kingsley: if it's local, something like zeroconf/avahi, otherwise dyndns or something.
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