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---Logopened Sun Oct 10 00:00:36 2010
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00:02<vdef>hi, I'm running Debian 2.6.26-21lenny4 and it seems like the system doesn't enforce the non-executable stack option as marked in elf executables -- does anyone know why or how to fix this?
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00:07<vdef>hrm. is there a more appropriate place to ask for help?
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00:14<edbian>What options do I have for an open source flash player?
00:14<franki^>vdef: No idea sorry. If you don't get an answer here you could try the mailing list
00:14<franki^>edbian: I use Gnash
00:14<edbian>franki^, What sites have you found that it doesn't work for?
00:14<vdef>franki^: ok, thanks. I'll try that.
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00:15<tash>edbian: youtube works fine with gnash
00:15<tash>with a little tweak
00:16<franki^>edbian: I can't think of any right now, Gnash has improved _a_lot_ since Adobe withdraw support for 64bit Linux
00:16<edbian>franki^, awesome. I'll take a look into it. Does it run faster than adobe's flashplayer?
00:16<franki^>edbian: Now everything seems to (mostly) work for me (on Squeeze)
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00:16<franki^>edbian: No :P
00:17<edbian>Damn
00:17<franki^>And you do get some weirdness sometimes
00:17<edbian>How is VLC so good at playing flash and everything else so bad?
00:17<tash>edbian; but gnash is free as in freedom :)
00:17<edbian>yeah, I'm switching now for that very reason
00:17<tash>edbian :) rms would be proud
00:18<edbian>:D
00:18<edbian>Is gnash not a browser plugin? swiftfox can't find it.
00:19<edbian>nor chrome
00:20<tash>did you installed browser-plugin-gnash package?
00:21<edbian>it's on the way
00:22<tash>edbian: IDK how is swiftfox use it, since swiftfox isn't part of debian
00:23<edbian>tash, Yeah, every video on youtube says "an error has occured"
00:23<tash>maybe it will search in the same paths of iceweasel
00:24<tash>edbian: install cslite free(as in freeedom) plugin and block cookies from youtube
00:24<franki^>You may need to delete your cookies to get Gnash to work
00:24<franki^>But you don;t need to block cookies from Youtube (any more)
00:24<edbian>franki^, Do I need to block cookies or not?
00:24<tash>1 hour ago I need it
00:25<edbian>Also, why is vlc so good at playing flash and every other app is so bad?
00:25<franki^>I don't block cookies *shrug*
00:25<edbian>tash, What does cslite do?
00:25<tash>block cookies, but franki^says it is not need anymore
00:26<tash>am trying
00:26<edbian>I have no cookies from youtube
00:26<franki^>I'm using Gnash 0.8.8-5 if that makes any difference
00:26<edbian>It works in chromium but not well
00:26<edbian>was than flash
00:27<edbian>same version
00:27<tash>it seems to work just by deleting the cookies, edbian you could install the cslite to easy delete cookies and block it, but it seems like is not needed at all
00:27<tash>thanks franki^
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00:46<umarzuki>hi, somebody here had tried skolelinux before?
00:47<umarzuki>i need some pointers but nobody in #skolelinux is replying to my question
00:47<KapitaenM>No, sir.
00:47<KapitaenM>Can't say I have.
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00:49<franki^>umarzuki: SkoleLinux isn't really supported here, but I guess if you ask your real question someone might be able to help.
00:49<franki^>!skolelinux
00:49<dpkg>Skolelinux is the name of a Debian Pure Blend produced by the <Debian Edu> project. See http://www.skolelinux.org/ for more details. Not supported in #debian, join #skolelinux @ irc.oftc.net for user/admin support.
00:49<franki^>!ask
00:49<franki^>Umm
00:49<franki^>!anyone
00:49<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
00:49<umarzuki>ok
00:50<umarzuki>i setup its main server (on vmware player), created an ldap user, added a workstation (another vmware player guest)
00:51<umarzuki>how do i get to log in with the ldap user from workstation
00:51<tash>vmplayer is part of vmware?
00:51<umarzuki>definitely i need to do something so the workstation is to authenticate to the main server's ldap
00:52<umarzuki>tash, yes, but my question is more on skolelinux & ldap
00:52<umarzuki>i hope somebody can point me where to start looking
00:53<tash>waht I see is that need some configuration on the vm, and as see you know why I ask abour wmware
00:55<umarzuki>ok
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00:56<umarzuki>i already changed its virtual interface between host & guests so now all vm's can ping each other
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00:59<umarzuki>so, how do i test ldap authenticate actually works from the workstation to the main server?
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01:11<Guest2266>hello some1 writes in spanish ?
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01:11<tash>!es
01:11<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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01:35<tash>bye bye buddies !
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01:50<ottoshmidt>is it common if some fix was done to a package on ubuntu level and then debian package maintainers use that patch in debian repos?
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02:02<Guest2269>Hello.
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02:23<humo>ffffffff
02:24<humo>فيه احد يخونا
02:24<humo>هههههههه
02:24<humo>ههههههههههههههه
02:24<humo>يولد
02:24<humo>الووووووووو
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02:27<pallgone>ottoshmidt: some people fix bugs in both ubuntu and debian, but as I heard bugs/fixes that apply to Ubuntu often do not apply do Debian, probably because:
02:27<pallgone>!ubuntu
02:27<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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02:33<BarackO>can someone tell me the difference between user and users mount options?
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02:35<cahoot>IIRC users means all users can umount, the man page knows more
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02:36<BarackO>cahoot - yes but it appears user does the same thing (unless I am reading it incorrectly)
02:36<cahoot>IIRC users means all users can umount irrespective of what user mounted
02:37<BarackO>aaahhh I see - thanks cahoot
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02:43<BarackO>when my system boots it tries to mount the swap partition multiple times with the latter times failing - anyone else experiencing this?
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03:00<and1bm>hi, I have a strange problem here: anacron does not work anymore. It's started and reports to run in 5 minutes in the log, but nothing happens. The process runs a couple of minutes, but before reaching the 5 minutes it dies.
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03:02<and1bm>I started anacron again and attached gdb to the process: after a few minutes a SIGTERM terminates the process before it has executed the cron jobs.
03:02<and1bm>any ideas?
03:02<and1bm>btw: this is on squeeze
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04:09<kwisj>Hi just a quick easy question for anyone out there. How do I write the following into a backtrack shell with the brackets taken as literal not as part of a command Telitec (Carter)?
04:10<cahoot>what's a 'backtrack shell'?
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04:48<neocortex>Hello! Anybody can help with HP LaserJet 1020?
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04:55<BarackO>does anyone know how to force mount options in HAL?
04:55<BarackO>for ntfs-3g
04:55<cthuluh>!tell neocortex -about hplip
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05:00<neocortex>cthuluh, Thanks! I am using Debian testing i386. I installed Hannah Firmware Installer.
05:01<neocortex>cthuluh, And when I turn it on my 1020 I hear driver uploads, but I cannot setup in Printing.
05:01<neocortex>cthuluh, Before, everything was fine. I just lost my settings, and now I only got serial port printers.
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07:18<EmleyMoor>Not that I believe I've got the space (at least yet) but are video DVDs "rippable" to hard disk in such a way they will play?
07:18<bremner>yes, with some caveats
07:19<EmleyMoor>bremner: What are the caveats?
07:20<bremner>well, most dvd's use a copy protection mechanism called css, which is trivial to break, but the library is not in debian main
07:20<EmleyMoor>bremner: Know about css - that's no great problew
07:20<bremner>afaik, you need libdvdcss2 from debian-multimedia
07:20<EmleyMoor>problem
07:21<petemc>handbrake is a good tool for ripping dvds
07:21<bremner>Other than that, encoding video is fairly cpu intensive, but most modern machines should be able to do it no problem.
07:21<bremner>handbrake is also not in Debian, right?
07:22<EmleyMoor>I'm mainly after a way to help preserve my library - already had to shell out for one replacement DVD so far
07:22<EmleyMoor>Possibly in dmm
07:22<EmleyMoor>I have it installed
07:22<bremner>yeah, it is in dmm
07:23<EmleyMoor>Unfortunately I can't really understand what to do with it and what the results will be
07:23<bremner>EmleyMoor: you could try dvdrip, and see if it makes more sense to you
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07:27<EmleyMoor>bremner: Same problem there
07:27<ottoshmidt>!Debian Policy
07:27<EmleyMoor>I dan't think this is going to achieve quite what I intended
07:27<dpkg>well, policy is the document that defines how Debian packages should (and must!) interact with each other and with the user to make sure we have a high-quality, stable distribution. You can find it at http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ or in the debian-policy package. Those who fail to understand Debian Policy are doomed to reimplement it, poorly. See also <best practices> <nmg> <mentors>.
07:27<bremner>EmleyMoor: what did you intend?
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07:31<EmleyMoor>bremner: Identicality to using the actual disk
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07:32<bremner>with menus and so forth?
07:33<EmleyMoor>Due to the nature of some of what I have, yes - though not in all cases would it be important
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07:34<petemc>dvdshrink lets you 'backup' your disks, though last time i checked it was a windows app, could be made to work with wine
07:35<bremner>apt-cache search dvd backup suggests some packages, but I don't have experience with any of them
07:36<gsimmons>EmleyMoor: You might be interested in dvdbackup (/msg dpkg dvdbackup) or mplayer's -dumpstream option.
07:36<EmleyMoor>gsimmons: Indeed, just spotted one of them
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07:39*EmleyMoor is now trying with dvdbackup
07:40<EmleyMoor>Would Macrovision affect/be affected by this?
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07:43*EmleyMoor is actuolly using a known-Macrovision disk to test
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07:53<EmleyMoor>Of course, if this should happen to work, I will need to seriously think about disk space
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07:56<petemc>you can buy 2 TB disks now relatively cheaply
07:57<EmleyMoor>petemc: Yes - I know it's not expensive... could just be a bit difficult to incorporate at present
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07:59<EmleyMoor>It's very much not the same issue as my sound recordings collection :-)
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08:01<EmleyMoor>For day to day use of that, mp3 is a fine format... can even put them on a USB stick in the car
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08:24<EmleyMoor>Brilliant! Thunderbirds vol. 5 is playing from my hard disc
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08:26<EmleyMoor>Either Carlton made the menus better on vol. 5 than vol. 4 or it has fixed an aspect ratio problem in the menu intro
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08:27<EmleyMoor>Debian triumphs again in any case
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08:28<EmleyMoor>6.9G (!)
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08:30<bremner>hence the many compression solutions...
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08:32<monkey_d_luffy>Where is the password file located? I don't mean /etc/passwd I mean the file with the hashed real-world passwords
08:33<qq->in ram ?
08:33<ompaul>monkey_d_luffy: you mean /etc/shadow?
08:34<monkey_d_luffy>ompaul: yeah that was it. But what if I wasn't using shadow passwords? I mean, I just debootstrapped a system and didn't choose anything about that. Also to my surprise the default password for the new system wasn't "root" or ""
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08:36<ompaul>monkey_d_luffy: if it is a live cd like build then you are going to use "sudo -i" to become root ime
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08:42<bremner>monkey_d_luffy: if you debootstrapped, then you should be able to chroot as root
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09:11<monkey_d_luffy>bremner: yeah I was doing that, it was just that when I booted into the new system that those "assumed" passwords didn't work... but it's all fine I just chroot and passwd... no problem
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09:20<monkey_d_luffy>does anyone knows why busybox doesn't has a /dev/disk/by-uuid entry? It only has a /dev/disk/by-path
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10:21<julian>nvidia 310M driver
10:21<julian>helpr me
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10:22<blarson>!nvidia
10:22<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers . If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net).
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10:22<julian>ok thankz
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10:32<blaphmat>Hello guys what file system is the best for debian ???
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10:34<blaphmat>??
10:35<weasel>!best
10:35<dpkg>Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis!
10:35<bremner>blaphmat: if you have to ask, use ext3
10:35<weasel>unless you have reasons to change, use the default
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10:37<tash>hi all
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10:48<audiclean>Does anyone know how to stop ncmpcpp freaking out when displaying songs with non standard (latin) characters?
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10:57<f8l>blaphmat: ... or ext4 if you can. Not in stable yet.
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11:01*bremner thinks file systems are a not a good place for novices to get TeH ShiNy
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11:10<pipe>If you wait 13 years, there might be a couple of updates for reiser4 too
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11:12<ompaul>pipe: they will be buried in the filesystem ...
11:12*ompaul slaps self (naughty)
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11:41<tash>guy how do I changue the keyboard layout for the console?
11:41<locklace>!keymap
11:41<dpkg>Lenny users: To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap", ask me about <drxx>, use kcontrol, gnome-control-center or similar. For setting up X keymaps, also check out xkeycaps, xev and ask me about <multimedia keys>. In console you can also use "loadkeys" for once-only/temporary adjustments. Squeeze users: "dpkg-reconfigure console-setup" for both console and X.
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11:42<tash>I did that, but it does't save changes for next boot
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11:51<bst>tash: try kbd-config as root
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12:02<tash>there is no kbd-config
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12:03<bst>install kbd
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12:05<tash>ok I run the kbd-config, it seems like the same wizard that when I ran dpkg-reconfigure data-console, I'll see next time I boot how it does
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12:13<pipe>Requireing a wizard to change the keyboard layout is an indication that something is seriously wrong
12:14<petemc>it is?
12:14<pipe>Yeah
12:14<petemc>why>
12:14<petemc>?
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12:15<pipe>When you can't just set the layout in a simple human-readable/writable configuration file
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12:16<petemc>some people dont like editing configuration files, that is hardly an idication something is seriously wrong
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12:18<pipe>GUIs are fine, if there's still a simple way to configure
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12:19<pipe>GUIs are worthless when you need to script something, when you need to tell someone how to do something, or when you need to verify the setup
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12:20<jackyalcine>hello?
12:20<jackyalcine>i need the development channel
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12:20<bst>jackyalcine: #debian-devel
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12:21<pipe>Reminds me of old telephone networks. "Please connect me to foobar." :)
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12:24<tash>pipe where is the conf file for keyboard layout ?
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12:25<pipe>tash: I don't know.
12:25<tash>it would be great to know
12:25<pipe>tash: Yes, it would
12:25<tash>aww :(
12:25<tash>I like editing files for conf :)
12:25<pipe>Yeah, it's the most precise way
12:26<f8l>tash: /etc/default/keyboard?
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12:26<tash>I kinda dislike wizards, sometimes are ok, but editing files is as you say, more accuarate
12:26<paggas>I just jumped into the conversation, but if you're talking about X keyboard layouts, what I do is have a script run setxkbmap as a normal user when I log in to X :)
12:27<pipe>I do that to
12:27<tash>paggas: is not the X
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12:27<paggas>well, anyway...
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12:27<tash>anyway I did it with kbd-config, but last time ti seems like when I restarted it turns back to english, I already set the locales to my lang
12:28<tash>now is working well see ---> ñññññ áéíóú
12:28<tash>¿
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12:29<tash>luckly it will stay :)
12:29<f8l>I cannot set up my keyboard in console properly. I get strange ",e" instead of "ę" for example.
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12:34<tash>f8l: buddy thx, in the /etc/default/keyboard was set to english, now I changed it :)
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12:36<f8l>tash: dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration would do, but since you like conf files more...
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12:42<tash>f8l: lol, nice!, yes I like in this way :) thanks
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13:18<Cyper11>i need a question people
13:18<tash>Cyper11: how are you?
13:19<Cyper11>good you tash
13:20<tash>nice Cyper11
13:20<locklace>Cyper11: "how many ubuntu developers does it take to screw in a lightbulb"
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13:20<Cyper11>lol how much
13:21<locklace>Cyper11: "we don't know, we've opened up a ticket with upstream and will let you know what they say"
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13:26<d4rkl0rd>help
13:27*ompaul missed the telepathy course, never bothered to retake it :)
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13:30<amakusa>what is the default locale for a debian installation?
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13:32<tash>amakusa: you setup the locales while you're installing I guess
13:32<f8l>amakusa: Probably C (which means English), but you can choose it later.
13:33<tash>amakusa: if you want to change it(with a wizard) you can simply do a "# dpkg-reconfigure locales"
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13:33<amakusa>tash, f8l: if I use "dpkg-reconfigure locales" to set the system back to english from another language wich locale should I choose, there are 3 options for US english
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13:35<tash>I guess any of them will work
13:35<musca>!utf-8
13:35<dpkg>UTF-8 is way of encoding multibyte characters from the Universal Character Set (Unicode/ISO10646). UTF-8 is a superset of US-ASCII but can represent all of unicode. By default, Debian will use a UTF-8 locale for you, but ask me about <locales><localised errors>. Typically, you use something like "LANG=<lang>_<CC>.utf8" e.g. export LANG=en_US.utf8 (for US-English). To fix garbled man pages, see /usr/share/doc/groff/README.Debian.
13:35<f8l>amakusa: Probably you want UTF-8.
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13:36<tash>f8l: any of the other could give troubles or something?
13:36<tash>I use utf-8 too :P
13:36<amakusa>tash, f8l: that's all I wanted to know, thanks
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13:37<f8l>tash: There could be troubles with encoding of non-English characters, like Cyrillic or Kanji etc.
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13:38<tash>f8l: ohh nice, didn't know that, but instinctly I always choosed utf-8
13:38<pipe>utf-8 is the way to go
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13:39<pipe>I think some swede once made a list of all ways that our special scandinavian letters had been encoded throughout computer history, something like 110 different cludges
13:40<f8l>tash: When I was starting my adventure with Linux not many programs supported UTF-8, so It was advised at that time not to choose it.
13:41<tash>f8l: long long time ago?
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13:42<f8l>tash: Not that long, but it was Aurox – a Polish distribution, no longer active.
13:43<tash>hmmm, I get some troubles once with some aplications, some characters not seems good at all, seems like squares and so, probably was a locales trouble and I didn't know
13:44<tash>hmm I see, some rpm :P
13:44<tash>but now you're a deb lol
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13:47<tash>pipe: do you use a qwerty (or dvorak) keyboard? or something special for swedish? lol
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13:48<pipe>I use a Das Keyboard with american laout
13:48<pipe>*layout
13:48<pipe>And I explicitly bought my thinkpad with american layout
13:49<pipe>It's impossible to code or write shell scripts with completely random location of special characters
13:50*f8l emanates hatred to qwerty.
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13:51<tash>f8l: dvorak?
13:51<f8l>tash: No.
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13:55<tash>pipe: :that's cool, a Das keyboard, yes I found a american layout better for coding too, am not an expert coder, but since the semicolon is in one single key and not in a chord... it starts well
13:55<pipe>Also, the first thing you need to do, no matter what layout you use, is to completely obliterate and destroy ever trace of capslock
13:56<pipe>I bound mine to an extra control, since that's where God Almighty intended a control key to be
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13:58<tash>a contrl key there could be very usefull to emacs chords
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14:03<terr1>I have an Adaptec 5805 raid card, which I installed the driver for /dev/acc0 device, and the Storage Manager. I got a working 9TB Logical device (Raid5). However I'm having trouble finding the logical device to create a filesystem on. I got a /dev/sda which says 9,9TB? and If I try to create a partition using Parted "he resulting partition is not properly aligned for best performance".. Any ideas? :/
14:03<f8l>pipe: There's no capslock in my layout.
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14:03<pipe>f8l: good
14:03<f8l>tash: It's colemak, but I think we should go to #debian-offtopic.
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14:06<tash>to be not so offtopic, where should I look for info to modd my keyboard map ? I really think that the ctrl position is painfull to emacs chords
14:06<tash>pipe advice sounds very nice to me
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14:08<redfire>hi everybody
14:08<redfire>does anyone know how to get pthread_cond wait, pthread_mutex_lock manpages ?
14:08<drone77>tash: xmodmap?
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14:10<tash>drone77: without the x
14:10<tash>X
14:10<monkey_d_luffy>I'm getting a weird charset problem in a chroot'ed system that I kexec'ed into. It is especially noticeable in ncurses programs like aptitude. 1 pic > 1000 words, so: http://www.uploadgeek.com/image-AE48_4CB1F6F6.jpg
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14:11<monkey_d_luffy>My locales are configured to en_US.UTF-8 and I have choosen my keyboard layout with kbd-config. What is the problem?
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14:16<drone77>tash, maybe http://www.linux.org/docs/ldp/howto/Keyboard-and-Console-HOWTO-15.html
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14:19<redfire>am I the only one to not get pthread mutex, condition man pages whereas I have manpages-dev installed ?
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14:29<namid>Hallo
14:30<namid>Jemand da?
14:30<namid> Bin hier neu
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14:31<drone77>!de
14:31<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
14:31<gsimmons>redfire: You would need to install manpages-posix-dev in non-free.
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14:40<namid>Hallo
14:41<cthuluh>*shrug*
14:41<cthuluh>hello
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14:41<namid>hello
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14:42<namid>i am new user on this server
14:42<bst>!ask
14:42<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
14:42<kmap>namid: Ask your question.
14:43<namid> i have a thinkpad t43 and a problem with my infrared
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14:44<namid>*kmap* i am german
14:44<kmap>namid: You can get German help in #debian.de
14:44<kmap>Rather, help in German
14:44<kmap>!tell namid about de
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14:45<Gudahtt>I'm having some trouble with my new computer, fresh debian install, 5.0.6. whenever X starts, my monitor loses signal. pastebin of Xorg.0.log here: http://sprunge.us/HjMF?sh
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14:46<HongYonghua>Hi
14:47<HongYonghua>I am just checking, I have compiled a IRC client
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14:48<kmap>Gudahtt: I'd run X -configure to dump a configuration file at the virtual terminal, and base my /etc/X11/xorg.conf off that.
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14:49<kmap>Gudahtt: http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg see the section "What if I do not have an xorg config file?"
14:49<Gudahtt>thanks!
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14:54<tash>drone77: man thanks you very much, I could get it done with that info you just give me :)
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14:54<tash>pipe: thanks for the advice man, my and my hands will be happy with this "new" control key :D
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15:03<Gudahtt>kmap: I did as the Xorg wiki page said, in single-user mode I said "cd /etc/X11" and "Xorg-reconfigure" and on-screen instructions gave me a new configuration file to test with. by default, vesa driver was used. I tried that, my monitor lost signal again and the process didn't stop so I had to ctrl+C it. changed driver to radeon, and it gave me "Fatal error: no screens found"
15:04<Gudahtt>chipset I'm using is radeon hd 4300
15:04<Gudahtt>4200***
15:04<Gudahtt>it's onboard, on gigabyte motherboard
15:05<Gudahtt>I've already tried switching monitors, that didn't work.
15:05<drone77>tash, no problem!
15:06<Gudahtt>just tried radeonhd driver, same affect as radeon
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15:07<kmap>Gudahtt: Sorry, I am not sure how to proceed.
15:08<Gudahtt>right on :p that's cool.
15:08<kmap>Gudahtt: I'd dabble with the HorizSnc and VertRefresh parameters
15:08<pipe>So what resolution do you get?
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15:08<kmap>Usually, these are the parameters which affect interoperability with monitors
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15:10<Gudahtt>hmm... how do I do that? D:
15:10*Gudahtt is new to linux
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15:14<kmap>Gudahtt: Do these keywords appear in your xorg.conf: HorizSync, VertRefresh
15:15<Gudahtt>nope, they do not
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15:15<Gudahtt>what section would they be under?
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15:18<kmap>Gudahtt: Monitor, I guess.
15:18<kmap>I am not sure, though
15:18<Gudahtt>yeah it's not anywhere
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15:19<Gudahtt>should I add them in, figure out the correct values for my monitor, and try again?
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15:20<bremner>Gudahtt: Is your monitor very old? New monitors should really "just work" (TM).
15:20<Gudahtt>the first monitor I tried it with was really old
15:21<Gudahtt>but I switched it to an lcd tv, and it acts the same
15:22<Gudahtt>.. I was thinking it might be a hardware issue, with the onboard graphics, but I wanted to try to confirm that before asking in a channel specific to those issues.
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15:24<bremner>I have pretty good results from the radeon driver in squeeze; I think the one in lenny is quite a bit older.
15:24<monkey_d_luffy>how can I query or set the font in console mode?
15:26<Gudahtt>bremner: yeah someone mentioned that to me once. I'd kinda prefer to use lenny because it's supposed to be more stable, but I might try squeeze if I have to.
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15:44<coredump>bremner, did you get compiz working with radeon?
15:44<bremner>coredump: no, I never tried.
15:45<coredump>I tried with my 5770/SLI with sid's xorg but no game
15:45<coredump>"no DRI" and "no DRI2" available
15:48<tash>coredump: 5770/SLI ?
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15:49<coredump>tash 2 radeon hd 5770, crossfire, not SLI
15:49<tash>coredump: why you said SLI then?
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15:49<coredump>tash brainfart? :)
15:50<tash>coredump: lol, ok :P
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15:59<monkey_d_luffy>how can I query or set the font in console mode?
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16:00<kudlak>haLO
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16:01<acu>what's up with freenode debian - what kind of authentication I need to get in that ?
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16:02<acu>* #debian :Cannot join channel (+r) - you need to be identified with services
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16:04<monkey_d_luffy>acu: you need to register your nickname
16:04<monkey_d_luffy>acu: try typing in the "network window" /nickserv register help
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16:05<pipe>What's the deal with having two channels?
16:05<pipe>This is the "official", right?
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16:06<petemc>the official channel used to be freenode, it was moved to here but inertia keeps the freenode channel fairly large
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16:08<monkey_d_luffy>Is there a way to run the configuration program that is executed during install? I have debootstrapped a system but some things are not configured properly (network, keyboad, console)
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16:30<acu>why they need my email - for freenode ?
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16:30<inoob>hi
16:30<pipe>give a fake one
16:31<inoob>?
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16:34<franki^>acu: Youmight find it convenient one day if you forget your password. :P
16:35<tash>acu: a lot of wobsites and services requires your email, if you want to give a fake one, you'll need to confirm your mail anyway
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16:41<edbian>Why is it that vlc is so good at playing flash videos but adobe and gnash and all the others in browser are so bad?
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16:42<pipe>well, adobe is closed software so they suck, and gnash is gnu, and gnu is always gnu.
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16:42<locklace>adobe sucks independently of being closed
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16:43<mjr>what you mean by "flash video" is simply video in a container developed for use with flash. Actual flash is a virtual machine with complex libraries.
16:43<edbian>mjr, Oh I see. So vlc only plays videos. It doesn't actually run flash programs.
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16:45<qq->dpkg: tell monkey_d_luffy about cross-post
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16:53<miguel>alguien me entiende?
16:54<franki^>!es
16:54<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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16:54<tash>edbian: and the videos are usually embeded on a "player" writed on flash (the videos that you play while browsing like youtube)
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16:56<gianluca>is there any way to install debian from usb?
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16:56<locklace>!usb install
16:56<dpkg>Yes, it is possible to install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 . To download USB stick images, ask me about <install debian>. https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer/+download to prepare from Windows. BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html
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16:59<qq->miguel, si ..
16:59<qq->!next
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17:40<wizard>would someone be as kind to help me with a program I face ?
17:41<f8l>!tell wizard about ask
17:42<wizard>I am trying to install metasploit but when I down the program and try the command nothing happensd
17:42<wizard>tar xf framework-3.X.tar.gz
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17:48<tash>Xo
17:49<wizard>anyone ?
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17:50<cthuluh>wizard: you didn't ask to say anything
17:50<wizard>I am trying to install metasploit but when I down the program and try the command nothing happens
17:50<wizard>tar xf framework-3.X.tar.gz
17:50<cthuluh>err, you didn't ask tar* to say anything
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17:51<cthuluh>use tar xzvf ...
17:51<cthuluh>you'll see what happens
17:51<wizard>I've followed everything on this but stuck on framework
17:51<wizard>http://www.metasploit.com/redmine/projects/framework/wiki/Install_Ubuntu
17:51<tash>tar -xvf
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17:51<tash>and check file names
17:52<wizard>tar: option requires an argument -- f
17:53<cthuluh>well....
17:53<cthuluh>tar xzvf foo.tar.gz
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17:53<cthuluh>where foo.tar.gz is your actual file
17:53<wizard>ok try that
17:54<cthuluh>anyway, your sources are probably already available under the foo/ directory
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17:55<cthuluh>wizard: you could ask help on the #metasploit channel, on irc.freenode.net
17:56<wizard>thanks I will try that one, thanks for the help
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18:30<srbaker_>gah
18:30<srbaker_>i'm haing some serious issues
18:30<srbaker_>i installed squeak-vm and squeak won't run
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18:30<srbaker_>i narrowed the problem down to a missing lib
18:30<srbaker_> libatiuki.so.1 => not found
18:30<srbaker_>i'm using X11 radeon drivers, i uninstalled the fglrx stuff
18:31<srbaker_>squeak has worked using the radeon driver before, but refuses to now. anyone know why?
18:31<srbaker_>also, glxinfo has the same issue
18:31<srbaker_>it's linked against a lib that doesn't exist
18:31<srbaker_>thoughts?
18:35<qq->fglrx-driver: /usr/lib/libatiuki.so.1
18:35<qq->!as
18:35<dpkg>from memory, as is autosearch: install apt-file and use apt-cache search <packagename> and/or apt-file search <name> , do it yourself. Don't forget to run apt-file update ;)
18:36<srbaker_>yes, and i don't have that package installed anymore.
18:36<srbaker_>so why is squeak-vm tied to it?
18:38<srbaker_>i wonder if i have config files or something left over from ati's binary installer
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18:41<srbaker_>aha. reinstalled all of the mesa packages
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19:02<Paolone>hello
19:02<Paolone>can you help me a few minutes, please?
19:02<Paolone>I've a prob wuth ant!
19:04<tash>Paolone: just ask
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19:10<Paolone>I've two package
19:11<Paolone>it.bertolotti.poesieBPF & it.bertolotti.poesieBPF.utility
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19:14<Paolone>http://nopaste.voric.com/paste.php?f=z9s081
19:15<Paolone>http://nopaste.voric.com/paste.php?f=vep8ub
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19:16<Paolone>http://nopaste.voric.com/paste.php?f=eee6nn
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19:17<Paolone>http://nopaste.voric.com/paste.php?f=kvrvok
19:18<Paolone>my problem
19:18<Paolone>I'd like a jar executable in with are present all libraries
19:18<Paolone>(JDOM)
19:19<tash>Paolone: are you sure that you're in te right place to ask that?
19:19<Paolone>Than I've two package and a external lib
19:20<Paolone>Uhm... I thinked yes...
19:20<Paolone>no???
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19:22<wizard>hello all I have installed nessus added user but cant seem to launch it from terminal using nessus any ideas
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19:22<wizard>#nessus
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19:34<zendeavor>anyone around?
19:34<tash>!ask
19:34<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
19:35<zendeavor>clever indeed
19:36<zendeavor>well in that case, have a look at this - http://dpaste.com/256037/
19:36<opticon>ya never would have guessed it.
19:37<zendeavor>chromium-browser:
19:37<zendeavor> Installed: 8.0.549.0~svn20101008r61905-1
19:37<zendeavor>appears to be a problem in my Preferences text
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19:38<zendeavor>the browser crashes an instant after it opens, with that error
19:38<zendeavor>Any clues?
19:39<opticon>try reinstalling it other than that no idea
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19:41<zendeavor>nup, no good
19:41<zendeavor>same error
19:42<abrotman>zendeavor: try strace
19:42<zendeavor>strace?
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19:43<zendeavor>i'd never be able to understand what just happened there
19:45<abrotman>you should be able to look at maybe the last few dozen lines for some sort of error
19:45<zendeavor>same error as before
19:46-!-mode/#debian [+l 401] by debhelper
19:46<zendeavor>how do i pipe the output to a log file
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19:49<abrotman>it has a -o option
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19:54<zendeavor>shame on me for skipping over that
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19:56<macarthur>Has anyone had any problems with xorg not releasing ram after using a 3d application?
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19:57<zendeavor>the -o argument is working, but it leaves out the actual errors at the end
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19:58<macarthur>Since right now, it seems that after using a 3d application such as a game via wine or well any opengl game such as nexuiz the amount of ram that xorg uses increases steadily and after it's closed it stays that way. I noticed it the other day after playing dawn of war for a couple hours that xorg was using 1.4GB of ram for apparently no reason. And i've no idea if/when this was first introduced into being since i just noticed it a couple days
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20:06<blarson>macarthur: xorg may map things to memory addresses that don't use ram, depending on the display. So it may not be real ram.
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20:08<macarthur>blarson: it's actual ram since it shows up as being used in my memory&swap setting on the system-monitor. It has to be semi-real or else i'd never have gotten to 3.9GB of ram used out of my 4GB i noticed it when i was using netbeans and i had the jvm set to use up to 1.5GB of ram to make the whole thing work better. If it's not 'actual' ram then where are these memory addresses that are causing itself to notice that the whole system's ram went
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20:28*pipe ponders removing the highlight for "pipe" on the linux support channels he's visiting..
20:28<tash>GNU/Linux :)
20:29<zendeavor>http://pastebin.com/VVJr3ePy\
20:29<jrabbit>tash: plan9/Linux
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20:29<jrabbit>WHERE IS YOUR RMS NOW
20:30<tash>in his heaven I guess
20:30<tash>lol
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20:31<pipe>GUN/Linux - Eric S. Raymond's personal distro
20:31<icebrain>plan9/linux is http://www.glendix.org/
20:32<coredump>I don't care much about linux kernel
20:32<coredump>what I really wanted was a totally paradigm breaking UI
20:32<coredump>something totally different
20:32<pipe>So what did you find?
20:32<coredump>nothing
20:32<pipe>void
20:33<coredump>everything looks kinda the same
20:33<pipe>quite a revolutionary UI
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20:33<pipe>what about compiz, they have wobbly windows
20:33<coredump>there's ratpoison of course http://www.nongnu.org/ratpoison/
20:33<pipe>improves your productivity by 114%
20:33<icebrain>coredump: hardly revolutionary
20:34<pipe>Personally I use dwm
20:34<icebrain>Awesome here
20:34<pipe>A couple of minutes after I've learnt dwm I started to wonder why tiling window managers isn't the norm
20:34<coredump>gnome shell looks like a good promise
20:35<tash>pipe: I guess some ppl can't stay that far away from their mouses
20:36<pipe>I'm not sure we'll see much of a revolution until true 3D capable displays and preferably a lot better direct-from-brain interfaces than are available
20:36<pipe>The documents on display should react to what I want to work and look at
20:36<icebrain>The next major change will be the real Semantic Desktop - or one can hope :)
20:37<coredump>i need to look up semantic desktop to continue this conversation, gimme a sec
20:37<icebrain>KDE seems on the right track
20:37<pipe>Hopefully the robot overlords will soon enslave us so we can live in the matrix
20:37<icebrain>coredump: it's more a backend concept, not really UI
20:37<icebrain>coredump: it intersects with the Semantic Web
20:37<pipe>Symantic
20:38<icebrain>?
20:38<pipe>It was a joke
20:38<pipe>Symantic web
20:38<pipe>Nothing will pass unless filtered by symantec
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20:38<pipe>*ic
20:38<pipe>Hm, it's actuall Symantec
20:39<icebrain>well, we should stop the OT
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20:39<tupacshakur>jambo my brothers. I need to automatically start an xwindows applicaton using at or cron. how do i do that?
20:39<tash>you all are wrong is synaptic... xDD
20:40<qq->Symantec - AntiVirus, Anti-Spyware, Endpoint ...
20:41<tupacshakur>when i use $at 12:30 < ./myshellscript, i think it has some error with no sending it to the right display.
20:41<pipe>tupacshakur: I don't know much about anything, but you need to set the correct display environment variable
20:41<tupacshakur>how do i do that?
20:41<pipe>tupacshakur: Most probably "DISPLAY=:0"
20:41<tupacshakur>in myshellscript?
20:42<coredump>tupacshakur, DISPLAY=0:0 in your shell script
20:42<pipe>Before you call the program that needs the display
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20:42<tupacshakur>let me try that, and then i will report back to you my brothers
20:42<coredump>tupacshakur, and you may need to use xhost to allow connections, but I am not sure of that
20:43<tupacshakur>what does that mean? how do i do that?
20:43<coredump>while we are bordering the line of window managers, did anyone here get any sucess getting compiz working with the radeon drivers on sid, with ATi HD 5xxx series cards?
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20:44<coredump>tupacshakur, try th DISPLAY=:0 thing, and if it goes wrong tell us the error message
20:44<qq->tupacshakur, see > echo $DISPLAY
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20:47<jrabbit>http://www.boingboing.net/2010/10/06/ken-goldberg-on-robo.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+boingboing/iBag+(Boing+Boing)
20:47<jrabbit>er sorry
20:47<tupacshakur>$echo $DISPLAY
20:47<jrabbit>wrogn room
20:47<tupacshakur>returns " :1.0"
20:47<tupacshakur>i guess i should change myshellscrip to 1.0
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20:49<pipe>Sounds about right
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20:51<zendeavor>http://pastebin.com/VVJr3ePy
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20:52<qq->zendeavor, you needs #chromium-support on irc.freenode.net , debian is a wrong channel for your issue
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21:02<abrotman>though, the error looks fairly obvious .. it does say FATAL
21:03<zendeavor>thanks qq-, i checked for IRC but chromium.org/contact only mentioned the developer channel
21:03<zendeavor>yes abrotman, in that case, what do you suggest?
21:04<abrotman>heck if i know, i don't use it
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21:10<zendeavor>sounds about right abrotman
21:10<zendeavor>evidently not such an obvious error after all, hm?
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21:31<tupacshakur>adding DISPLAY=0:0 didn't fix it
21:31<tupacshakur>anyone know how to automatically start an xwindows application?
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21:36<tupacshakur>anyone know how to automatically start an xwindows application? like using at or cron? something gets messed up with the display settings
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21:41<pipe>tupacshakur: well did you try :1.0 also?
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21:52<tupacshakur>pipe: yah
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23:25<opticon>to gain access to newer software in repo is it safe to add sid mirror to lenny source list or is that dumb idea?
23:26<zendeavor>should be okay
23:26<opticon>deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian sid main
23:26<opticon>thats the one i was thinking of adding
23:26<opticon>it shouldnt break anything should it?
23:27<zendeavor>it shouldn't
23:27<zendeavor>apt-get should install newest packages, which would likely be from sid
23:27<zendeavor>any packages not in sid will be in main/stable
23:27<zendeavor>nothing should get mixed up
23:28<opticon>well yesterday i setup proftpd on debian 5 but its an older version and i see that in sid repo it has newer stuff
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23:29<kmap>opticon: Check out backports first
23:29<kmap>!backports
23:29<dpkg>A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>.
23:30<kmap>But backports don't seem to be available fror proftpd
23:30<zendeavor>backports must be such a pain for people to keep up
23:30<kmap>Why do you feel so?
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23:31<zendeavor>cuz with every new package update, preferably a backport of it would be compiled for multiple legacy versions of the distro
23:31<kmap>Well, if there are sufficient users to demand it, and volunteers to get it done, I don't see the problem. :-)
23:31<zendeavor>I didn't say it was a problem
23:32<zendeavor>just a painful exercise in redundancy
23:32<kmap>I don't quite think so. I find it quite useful to have it; a best of both worlds kind of thing.
23:32<kmap>But, again, opinions can differ. :-)
23:33<zendeavor>it can be useful
23:33<zendeavor>if you hate being current?
23:33<kmap>Well, for an application like apache2, I might not want the backport. But for something like, say mutt, I might want one
23:33<opticon>thanks think ill just leave things as is everythings running smoothly anywho...
23:33<zendeavor>why use current versions of software packages, but refuse to update the backbone of your system to be current
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23:34<kmap>opticon: Unless you need some feature of the new upstream version, the version you have should be quite appropriate
23:34<kmap>zendeavor: Again, we seem to be going around in circles. I see merit in it, you don't. And that's fine, I guess. :-)
23:35<zendeavor>there is merit in it
23:35<zendeavor>just a very limited degree of it
23:35<zendeavor>and a whole slew of manpower requirements
23:35<opticon>ya it is spent alot of time yesterday getting tls/ssl setup working on it but i thought since that bit is web facing may as well have it fully up to date
23:36<zendeavor>the end doesn't appear to justify the means, but i suppose that's the setback of slow release cycles
23:38<opticon>you ever get that problem you had sorted?
23:38<opticon>abortman pretty good with help
23:38<zendeavor>no both my issues are still hanging in the balance
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23:41<opticon>ah maybe kmap can help
23:41<zendeavor>i do have rw access to my ntfs drives, but only as root
23:41<zendeavor>which doesn't help because I want to allow programs to rw from the ntfs storage
23:41<zendeavor>also, strangely, I can't delete anything as root
23:42<zendeavor>makes no sense to me
23:43<zendeavor>yeah i'm confused
23:43<opticon>any specific reason it needs to be ntfs
23:43<zendeavor>shared storage between linux and windows7
23:43<zendeavor>gotta run windows for school :(
23:44<opticon>you try creating mount point for it and setting permissions?
23:45<zendeavor>http://pastebin.ca/1959002
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23:46<opticon>whats name of file that config is stored in
23:46<opticon>been awhile since i did it....
23:46<zendeavor> /etc/fstab
23:47<qq->!ntfs-3g
23:47<dpkg>ntfs-3g is, like, a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance, packaged for Debian. Usage examples: http://www.tuxera.com/community/ntfs-3g-download/#usage . Ask me about <user accessible ntfs>.
23:50<opticon>do you have that
23:50<opticon>ntfs-3g
23:50<zendeavor>yes
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23:55<zendeavor>qq-: do i mount /dev/sda2 as /media/disk1part2 like it already is, or should it be /mnt/windows as specified by that page?
23:57<opticon>im not sure never had that problem but try it a different way and see
23:57<qq->auto,users,rw,dmask=0022,fmask=0133,nls=utf8 < check that , /media/...
23:57<opticon>if the partition mounts i dont see what good it would do
23:57<qq->dpkg, user accessible ntfs
23:57<dpkg>To get an NTFS or VFAT file system accessible by users and groups on the local machine, man mount; man 5 fstab; and read about the umask, fmask, dmask, uid, and gid options. You'll end up sticking something like conv=auto,uid=<user>,gid=<group>,dmask=0002,fmask=0003 into your fstab's mount option field.
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