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---Logopened Wed Oct 13 00:00:42 2010
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00:42<sparky4>My pointer dose not move in the Xwindowing system anymore on my Sony vaio!
00:42<sparky4>I am having hardware difficulties!
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00:45<jeremyb>did you change something?
00:47<sparky4>jeremyb: no!
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00:54<amakusa>sparky4: do you have graphics driver installed?
00:55<sparky4>amakusa: the propietary driver?
00:55<amakusa>nvidia or ATI?
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00:55<sparky4>I honestly do not know
00:55<sparky4>amakusa: it is a lappy
00:56<GhostlyDeath>It's either Intel, ATI, or NVidia
00:56<GhostlyDeath>if it's new anyway
00:56<sparky4>amakusa: Intel ....
00:56<GhostlyDeath>sparky4: lspci would say
00:56<sparky4>tjhat means it is new w
00:57<GhostlyDeath>would say "Intel Integrated Graphics Controller"
00:57<sparky4>GhostlyDeath: yes
00:58<GhostlyDeath>sparky4: does your mouse work?
00:58<GhostlyDeath>If you cat the raw mouse device is stuff printed?
00:58<sparky4>GhostlyDeath: the clicking buttons do
00:58<EmleyMoor>Oooh, cat and mouse!
00:58<GhostlyDeath>I'm going to assume synaptic touchpad or similar
00:58<GhostlyDeath>The buttons are on the mobo
00:58<sparky4>GhostlyDeath: correct
00:58<GhostlyDeath>the pad is usually attached via cheap ribbon type cable
00:58<GhostlyDeath>Try opening it up and reseat the ribbon on both ends
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00:59<sparky4>GhostlyDeath: .... OK
00:59<GhostlyDeath>See if that fixes it
00:59<sparky4>GhostlyDeath: it is just disconnected?
00:59<sparky4>GhostlyDeath: ok
00:59<GhostlyDeath>It's worth a shot
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00:59<GhostlyDeath>and you won't know until you try it
00:59<GhostlyDeath>It has happened to me on some other laptops before
00:59<sparky4>and i want to know how the fuck do I get the buttons and powermanagement and brighness adjustment to work?
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01:00<GhostlyDeath>Depends on the laptop
01:00<EmleyMoor>sparky4: That's keyboard stuff - don't know Vaio but on my Dell I was lucky - they worked OOTB
01:00<sparky4>GhostlyDeath: it is a vgn-fe880e
01:00<GhostlyDeath>For my laptopa Gateway MX6960, brightness didn't work in etch
01:01<GhostlyDeath>but it worked in lenny
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01:01<sparky4>GhostlyDeath: upgrafde to squeeze?
01:01<GhostlyDeath>It's one way and it could break your system
01:01<EmleyMoor>I'd do a bit of research into it if I were you
01:02<sparky4>GhostlyDeath: ill eventually upgrade to it
01:02<GhostlyDeath>Check the kernel changelogs with mentions of your system stuff
01:02<sparky4>EmleyMoor: I DO NOT NHAVE TIME
01:02<sparky4>GhostlyDeath: i am going to open this systemn >.>
01:02<GhostlyDeath>You could cat /dev/input/mouse0
01:03<GhostlyDeath>or whichever is your mouse
01:03<GhostlyDeath>(requires root)
01:03<GhostlyDeath>move your finger along the touchpad and see if garbage prints out
01:03<sparky4>GhostlyDeath: ok ^^
01:04<GhostlyDeath>If it prints garbage that means the pad is sending the computer stuff and it's getting it
01:04<GhostlyDeath>If not, try reseating the ribbons (taking out and placing it back in) and then retry
01:04<jeremyb>sparky4: you might want yatm if you're short on time
01:04<GhostlyDeath>retry a couple times and see if it works
01:04<sparky4>GhostlyDeath: booting system
01:05<jeremyb>,info yatm
01:05<judd>Package yatm (sound, optional) in lenny/i386: Command line audio file player with time stretching capabilities. Version: 0.6-1; Size: 16.2k; Installed: 48k
01:05<jeremyb>sparky4: try apt-cache show yatm
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01:06<GhostlyDeath>If it is a bad connection on the hardware, nothing you do software wise will fix it
01:06<GhostlyDeath>If it worked on the same exact system on day then fails another with no software changes, it's most likely hardware
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01:08<sparky4>GhostlyDeath: nothing ..... uh ooh
01:08<GhostlyDeath>Try reseating the ribbon cables then
01:09<sparky4>GhostlyDeath: ok
01:09<sparky4>I never opened this computer before
01:09<GhostlyDeath>You'll need the right tools
01:10<GhostlyDeath>And if you force anything you will break it
01:10<GhostlyDeath>Take it slow and gentle
01:10<GhostlyDeath>and remember which screws go where
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01:12<sparky4>GhostlyDeath: pok ^^
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01:23<kcynice>for a ntfs partition, i found its data transfer rate is lower then linux partition, so i changed it to linux partition using fdisk. but, the data transfer rate is only about a half of my root partition. btw, i installed my debian on a single partion. why?
01:25<jm_>kcynice: what's the respective location of both on your disk? what kinf of disk?
01:25<jordanm>kcynice: fdisk does not change the filesystem
01:26<jordanm>kcynice: do you mean you change the partition's system id to "linux"?
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01:26<kcynice>jm, is ATA harddisk. jordanm, yes, i only changed its id to linux(83)
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01:26<jm_>kcynice: and the other question? do you perhaps mean writing to ntfs partition?
01:27<jordanm>kcynice: then its still ntfs. changing the filesystem requires erasing all data. to do so: mke2fs -j /dev/sdxx
01:27<jordanm>that will format in ext3
01:27<kcynice>if i use the original ntfs partition, the data transfer rate is very slow
01:28<kcynice>i forgot my root fs format is ext3 or ext4, how to find it?
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01:29<jordanm>kcynice: what version of debian?
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01:29<kcynice>debian squeeze. there was a fs choice during the installation, i remember
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01:32<jordanm>kcynice: tune2fs -l /dev/sdxx | grep features maybe?
01:34<kcynice>has_journal ext_attr resize_inode dir_index filetype needs_recovery extent flex_bg sparse_super large_file huge_file uninit_bg dir_nlink extra_isize
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01:37<kcynice>i don't know its ext3 or ext4
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01:40<gsimmons>kcynice: The filesystem in use is ext4.
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01:41<kcynice>ok. I will format the new partition to ext4 and retry. thanks.
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01:48<sparky4>GhostlyDeath: i am scared
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01:48<sparky4>GhostlyDeath: of damaging my lappy
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01:48<sparky4>the botttem cover is easy to remove ^^
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01:58<kcynice>ok. the partition becomes a real ext4 partition successfully. But, i can't get write permission via current user account even though i mount the partition using "user,rw" options
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01:58<kcynice>im not sure what should i do next.
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02:00<kcynice>cool, the data transfer rate brings up to 160 MB/s using root account
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02:03<kcynice>Im not sure if i could change the owner of the mount point to current user, because, if so, how about the directory lost+found?
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02:24<sparky4>ill just do a software test
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03:54<imposter>anyone here familiar with bt4r1?
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03:54<dpkg>BackTrack is not Debian and is not supported in #debian (ask me about <based on debian>). Try or #backtrack-linux on instead. BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux.
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04:17<Hotas>Anyone here? =)
04:18<Hotas>I got some problem with the installer :(
04:18<Cheshire_Cat1984>all spleep posibli
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04:19<Hotas>yea probably :P
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04:19<petemc>Hotas: just ask
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04:20<Hotas>Ive burn out like 7 different CDs / DVDs to test with in 2different DVDplayers on my server.. I had debian on it before but now I get like "Error reading from CD"
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04:20<Hotas>Didnt get that last time I installed, (used unstable then)
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04:21<Hotas>I get to reading install files from CDs at the install
04:21<Hotas>Also its AMD64
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04:22<Hotas>I can't install Debian stable AMD64 :(
04:23<t0x1cr34c70r>install it through pendrive
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04:23<t0x1cr34c70r>i use the same amd64
04:23<t0x1cr34c70r>updated it and its stable now
04:23<Hotas>Cant install with pendrive..
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04:24<Hotas>Did you get the same problem with CDs?
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04:24<t0x1cr34c70r>use linuxlive
04:24<t0x1cr34c70r>usb creater
04:24<t0x1cr34c70r>creator ***
04:25<Hotas>Yea but the server only support USB-ZIP and USB-FDD
04:25<Hotas>Is that enought? =)
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04:26<t0x1cr34c70r>well u ll get several options there >>
04:26<Hotas>Thank you :P will try it out!
04:27<Hotas>So I will test burning at slower speed and maybe disable DMA
04:27<t0x1cr34c70r>ok now can anybody tell me how to connect to site database through terminal ???
04:27<Hotas>mysql -u root -p -h ip ?
04:27<Hotas>something like that :D
04:28<Hotas>im not sure bout -h flag
04:28<t0x1cr34c70r>i ll check it out
04:28<Hotas>mysql --help
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04:28<t0x1cr34c70r>which terminal u use >>
04:29<Hotas>Puttytray :)
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04:29<Hotas>To connect to my debian server :=)
04:29<t0x1cr34c70r>is it cool ?
04:29<Hotas>Its good if your sitting at a PC
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04:32<t0x1cr34c70r>and ya >> i installed debian amd64 but m not geting a cubical desktop switcher >>>
04:32<t0x1cr34c70r>which package i need
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04:35<Hotas>Ah Im never using GUI only server editions :P
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04:38<t0x1cr34c70r>ok bro can u tell me if i wanna inject sql codes mysql server from terminal then ?
04:39<t0x1cr34c70r>i used mysql command but it ask for pass but i wanna bypass that
04:41<Lethalman>t0x1cr34c70r, take a look at the comments
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04:48<amitz>will there be a performance hit/risk if I run linux-xen kernel without actually using xen-hypervisor, and use kvm instead?
04:48<fl0w>i don't think so, but why do you have to install xen kernel?
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04:51<amitz>just a preparation for easy migration to xen until a xen bug is ironed out.
04:52<fl0w>you are migrating from xen to kvm?
04:52<fl0w>or from kvm to xen?
04:52<amitz>from xen to kvm, then kvm to xen when the xen is ready.
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04:53<fl0w>do you know that xen source is no longer developped?
04:53<willemb>Hi. I am interested in installing 'snoopy' on all our machines. should I be worried about the 'install snoopy library to /etc/' prompt?
04:53*the-dude still wonders if xen will ever get in the kernel
04:54<fl0w>the-dude i wonder too :D
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04:54<amitz>fl0w: oh... no, that's an important thing I missed -_-
04:55<Hotas>Now im trying to burn netinstall on lowspeed
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04:55<Hotas>Also I will try to disable DMA
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04:56<amitz>thank you :-), that's a very important piece of info
04:57<the-dude>fl0w: I thinkt its a hoax
04:57*the-dude runs
04:57<fl0w>amitz you should make a little study about virtualization, your needs, the available solution
04:58<amitz>supposedly, but I don't really push the feature.. but yeah..
04:58<fl0w>the-dude: i have to admit that kvm is very complete and powerful :)
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05:00<Hotas>"Installation Step Failed" Failing step is: "Load installer components from CD"
05:01<amitz>and just a few instances.
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05:02<jm_>Hotas: check kernel messages
05:03<Hotas>How ? =)
05:03<jm_>switch to 2nd tty and run dmesg
05:05<Hotas>"FAT: utf8 is not a recommended IO charset for FAT filesystems Filesystem will be case sensitive!
05:06<Hotas>I get PCI-Express Device error but that shouldnt matter
05:07<Hotas>Im lookin in syslog
05:07<willemb>ok, maybe snoopy is not really what I want. How else can I go about logging all activity that happens in a shell session?
05:07<jm_>no point - if there are any cd-rom related errors, kernel would report them
05:09<Hotas>DEBUG: Resolver (libc6-udeb): package doesnt exist
05:09<jm_>which ISO image did you download?
05:10<Hotas>Also tested DVD cd1 CD cd1
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05:14<jm_>isoinfo shows me: /pool/main/g/glibc/libc6_2.7-18lenny4_amd64.deb
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05:14<jm_>rather libc6-udeb_2.7-18lenny4_amd64.udeb
05:14<jm_>check tty3 or 4 if there are more clues
05:15<Hotas>to goto tty I press ctrl alt f3?
05:15<Hotas>Or how does that more exakly ;D
05:17<Hotas>in tty4 its only errors going over the screen so damn fast :D
05:17<jm_>try presing ctrl-s and see if it stops scrolling, ctrl-q to resume
05:17<Hotas>yea I just did that
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05:18<Hotas>All errors is related to PCIE error
05:20<jm_>maybe that cause cd-rom drive to freak out, or the driver
05:21<Hotas>im removeing my Grapiccard and also insert a old HD I had before I started to reinstall debian
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05:21<jm_>just try to boot from USB or from hard disk I guess
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05:22<Hotas>The computer only support USB-FDD and USB-zip
05:22<jm_>how old is it?
05:22<Hotas>Its AM2+ motherboard
05:22<Hotas>Not sure how old
05:22<macarthur>Ok, since nvidia will no longer be bundling opengl header files what packages should i install so that i can still have opengl on my computer or is it that they're just not including the files required to develop opengl.
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05:23<jm_>that should boot from usb just fine
05:23<Hotas>okok :P
05:23<Hotas>Then I need to find a damn usb also :D
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05:23<Hotas>Im trying now without my grapiccard. just need to change the vga=~
05:25<Hotas>Now its working fine
05:25<Hotas>Thats weird
05:25<Hotas>All I did was to remove My grapiccard and added the cable to an old SATA drive -.-
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05:26<Hotas>Should I set up with encrypted LVM ? =)
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05:28<Hotas>I wonder why its working now :/
05:29<jm_>probably some shit with interrupts or somesuch
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05:30<Hotas>yea, The only problem I got when using the server without grapiccard is that the screen get fucked up under installation, So I did a FB=false and hopefully its working
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05:35<Hotas>Thank you for your time :)
05:35<jm_>no worries, I didn't do anything useful anyway
05:36<Hotas>You made me look for errors and I found out PCIE so I removed it and its working :P
05:36<Hotas>So you did something :D
05:36<Hotas>Are you good at irssi ? =)
05:37<jm_>I used it for a little while
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05:37<Hotas>Cuz im sitting on freequest :) Connected with a bnc trought /connect, But I also want to be on this channel :)
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05:37<Hotas>Is it possible to connect to another server without loosing connection to freequest? =)
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06:24<cmot>Hmmm. Is it possible to mark a mail as "read
06:24<cmot>" from procmail?
06:24<cmot>postfix -> procmail -> dovecot imap
06:24*cmot has no idea how message flags are stored ...
06:24<cmot>(but I fear it might not be possible.)
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06:37<gsimmons>cmot: Delivering to maildir? Use LASTFOLDER and TRAP to move it to /cur/ and rename to include the seen flag (:2,S). No idea about mbox.
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06:39<cmot>gsimmons: tx. mbox
06:39<cmot>(until I get around to mvoe the server.)
06:39<cmot>oh well....
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07:19<gsimmons>cmot: Try adding the "Status: R" header with formail.
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07:23<Hotas>Now its working just fine :)
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07:27<jm_>is subversion in Debian linked against gnutls for licensing reasons?
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07:30<bremner_>does anybody use gnutls for any other reason?
07:30<Duber>Anyone using plymouth splash at boot ? I'm wondering if there is any transition patch for debian like ubuntu one
07:30<Duber>to avoid getting black screen between plymouth and kdm login
07:31<jm_>got an issue with certificate protected repository which works when svn is linked with openssl, fails with gnutls
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07:39<bremner_>jm_: please file a bug if you have a chance
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07:41<jm_>bremner_: the problem is it will be painful to debug for the maintainer - maybe peterS could shed some light if he was still as active as in the past
07:41<jm_>on IRC I mean
07:42<bremner_>jm_: well, better to know a problem exists than not.
07:42<bremner_>what version of svn?\
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07:42<jm_>tried it in lenny and squeeze chroot - I will file a bug when I start fully working with this repository, so far others are testing it
07:43<jm_>I found some similar bugs in BTS where some fixes in newer libneon were mentioned
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07:57<icebrain>hi will
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08:07<will>Does anyone know any Firewire to Express Card module working on Debian?
08:08<will>I would like to make DV captures on laptop.
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08:47<prem>i got a weird problem today..
08:48<prem>what ever changes i do in nautilus-->preferences .,icon zooming.,it is not getting effected in the nautilus window
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08:49<prem>what ever I do change in the preferences dialog box for it is not getting affected in the browser
08:50<prem>:( am much worried.,what happened .,there is no backtrace or error log in xsession-errors as well
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09:04<bruce>anybody here?
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09:06<cthuluh>type the /names command
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09:07<will>hi cthuluh ;-)
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09:20<pipe>a tutti?
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09:37<sparky4>the touchpad is a hatrdware problem
09:38<sparky4>still not working .....
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09:41<pipe>is that a bad thing?
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09:45<sparky4>pipe: YES
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09:45<sparky4>pipe: it looks like this wwww
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09:46<pipe>ok, so the real hardware defect is that somehow your trackpoint is missing :P
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09:47<sparky4>pipe: either the cable is disconnected or the touchpad is actually broken
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09:49<sparky4>pipe: my bike is in repair shop (yay! after like 6 years of use and sitting around)
09:49<sparky4>My car's water pump is screwed xD
09:49<sparky4>nd it is in the fixings
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09:49<sparky4>pipe: All my Machines I use for school are bloken ....
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10:33<jpinx-eeepc>!tell fhh about ssb
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10:38<mjt>hm. but what _is_ ssb? :)
10:39<dpkg>First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
10:39<mjt>i've read that a few moments ago
10:39<mjt>that's instructions not telling what it is.
10:39<franki^>I hadn't, but now I am still just as clueless :)
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10:41<jordanm>mjt: "simple sid backport"
10:41<themill>!literal ssb
10:41<dpkg>"ssb" is "<reply> see simple sid backport"
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10:41<mjt>simple sid backport. ok.
10:41<mjt>not obvious at all :)
10:42*ssb growls
10:42<mihkel>Hi. I try to setup munin for my home server (named compaq.lan). I used this tutorial ->
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10:42<mihkel>munin dir is set to /srv/www/munin
10:43<mihkel>but there is nothing in there
10:43<mihkel>how can I check weather munin actually works
10:45<themill>!pal ssb
10:45*dpkg points at ssb and laughs hysterically
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10:47<mekt>Is there a program which can search packages for both a keyword and dependency, like: What packages have keyword "backup" and depend on libgtk?
10:47<petemc>!aptitude search
10:47<dpkg>it has been said that aptitude search is a powerful searching facility that by default only searches package names, but can be made to search priorities, installation status, dependencies etc. See /usr/share/doc/aptitude/html/en/ch02s03.html from the aptitude-doc package or or ask me about <aptitude docs>
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10:48<jordanm>mekt: aptitude search '~dbackup~Dlibgtk'
10:49<mekt>thanks for the infos, petemc, jordanm
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10:53<mihkel>in /var/log/munin I have only munin-node-configure.log and munin-node.log files. Is this ok?
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11:01<fhh>:) it's work...
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11:02<pipe>mihkel: have you tried actually reading the information on the munin website?
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11:03<pipe>mihkel: last time I checked they have nice debug details
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11:18<chalet161>I am trying to create about 100000 file in my ext3 partition and while i am creating there is an error "mkdir: cannot create directory `x': No space left on device"
11:18<weasel>you can't create more than 32k subdirectories
11:18<weasel>(in a dir)
11:18<mjt>ext4 lifted that limit
11:18<weasel>is that what you were trying to do?
11:18<peterS>I think you get 'too many links' (as an error) in that case though
11:19<mjt>there's also inode limit
11:19<peterS>could also be running out of inodes, though
11:19<mjt>which returns ENOSPC
11:19<weasel>the other chance is that he ran out of inodes
11:19<weasel>chalet161: what does df -i say?
11:19<weasel>mjt: even if they did, it's probably still not a good idea :)
11:19<chalet161>no inode left
11:19<weasel>xfs wouldn't have that inode problem at least
11:19<peterS>hmmm is that something you can fix with tune2fs?
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11:20<mjt>weasel: heh. People Want, regardless if it's good idea or bad ;)
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11:20<weasel>mjt: I'm a sysadmin. I have no problems with simply saying "No". :)
11:21<amitz>no, you don't say no. You weasel your way out ;-)
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11:22<chalet161>I have search and i found that i have to reformat my file system?
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11:22<weasel>not unlikely
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11:23<chalet161>is there any suitable filesystem for many symlinks and directory?
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11:24<weasel>how many inodes are on your ext3 filesystem?
11:25<weasel>is it a small filesystem?
11:25<chalet161>Xen VM
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11:25<chalet161>I think i will use loop device to store that thing.
11:26<weasel>I see. well, you could either create your ext3 with more inodes, or check if ext4 is any better. XFS also shouldn't have that limit (I think it allocates inodes dynamically)
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11:26<chalet161>thanks all
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11:28<kop>chalet161: Just make as many inodes as 4096 byte blocks. Then you won't ever run out.
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11:28<weasel>do symlinks need a block?
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11:29<pipe>a symlink is a file
11:30<pipe>with some text pointing to the real file
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11:31<weasel>one or other of filesystems can store such tiny things in the inode
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11:31<peterS>indeed, so _typically_ symlinks do not need a block
11:31<peterS>but if they get too long they probably do
11:31<pipe>they can also store small files
11:32<peterS>well, since symlinks are always created atomically (the symlink() system call, rather than open + write + close), they aren't actually treated exactly the same as other files
11:32<peterS>the size is known at create time, so the decision whether to put it into the inode or in a block is made just once
11:33<peterS>with regular files, the kernel won't know until enough data has been written, whether the file fits in an inode
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11:33<peterS>so I don't think most filesystems bother to optimize the tiny file in an inode case
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11:33<weasel>reiser did, iirc. not sure any other does
11:33<weasel>whereas IIRC most modern filesystems do the smart symlink thing,
11:33<peterS>well, reiser also had tail packing (:
11:33<weasel>but it never was enough of an issue for me to actually care or check facts
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11:34<pipe>Reiser probably got a lot of tail packing where he is at the moment
11:34<peterS>oh snap
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11:38<mekt>That is a candidate for the fortune-off DB.
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11:43<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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12:09<Guest2610>whats up
12:10<Guest2610>i'm new to this irc thing
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12:10<Guest2610>heh wow
12:10<kop>Guest2610: This is for debian support. If you've a question just ask. Otherwise you can chat in #debian-offtopic, or somewhere more chat oriented.
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12:11<Guest2610>eww ok linux troll
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12:12<kop>Guest2610: You've come to the land of "linux trolls". If you don't like it here, leave.
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12:15<pipe>I'm a linux troll!
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12:16<kop>pipe: xyzzy
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12:19<iUser39614>Hi, i want to download debian and mount iso to usb. Can you give me the direct download link please?
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12:20<pipe>iUser39614: you can't click yourself?
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12:21<iUser39614>Of course i can but i dont fully undrrstand
12:21<pipe>Hard to tell what variant you need etc
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12:21<pipe>probably the i386
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12:23<iUser39614>Witch do i download because they aint iso format?
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12:28<iUser39614>What program should i use to mount this to usb. Almost doanloaded.
12:28<retrospectacus>!usb install
12:28<dpkg>Yes, it is possible to install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see . To download USB stick images, ask me about <install debian>. to prepare from Windows. BIOS can't boot from USB? Use
12:32<iUser39614>I've used linux aload of times. They mostly still using "sudo... apt-get ect?
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12:37<icebrain>iUser39614: aptitude instead of apt-get
12:37<icebrain>iUser39614: and sudo isn't installed by default in Debian; use su
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12:42<lsd>i found a bug
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12:42<lsd>in debian squeeze i386
12:42<iUser39614>okay thanks time to reboot and full install :)
12:42<iUser39614>be back in a little, ill be back as Crazyyyy
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12:42<icebrain>!tell lsd about reportbug
12:43<lsd>the system tell to use autoremove
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12:43<lsd>and it autoremove the dhclient
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12:43<lsd>after it is impossible to connect 'cause dhclient3
12:43<lsd>try to use the scripts of dhclient
12:43<dpkg>Is apt trying to remove packages that it thinks were automatically installed? This happens when you "aptitude install gnome" and then later remove bits of it causing the gnome meta-package to be uninstalled and then all its dependencies. Fix this by running "aptitude unmarkauto packagename" on strategically chosen packages, or reinstall the <metapackage> (apt-get also has unmarkauto from squeeze onwards).
12:44<retrospectacus>you may have to set static IP
12:44<retrospectacus>not sure what metapackage would contain dhclient though
12:44<lsd>is bit ridicolous for me to set a static ip
12:44<lsd>to fix this problem , i just reinstalled the packages
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12:44<rpetre>is apt's and aptitudes list of manually installed packages common?
12:44<lsd>and i no use gnome , lxde
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12:44<rpetre>i mean, is it the same thing if i unmarkauto in any of them?
12:45<lsd>i started with netinstall and i choosed all my packets hehe
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12:45<lsd>yes the solution is to remove it from the autoremove
12:45<lsd>but is really strange for me after years to see this kind of problem hehe
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12:46<lsd>also is important to know that if i set the IP on eth0
12:46<lsd>eth0 can't go on internet, only in LAN
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12:47<iUser39614>Its me again. I done it to USB right? It says Disk boot failure?
12:50<retrospectacus>iUser39614: did you follow when putting the iso on usb? or what
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12:52<iUser39614>Not really no. I extracted the iso then copyed everything over to the usb normaly works fine?
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12:52<iUser39614>Im running Windows XP atm. Though ive had linux on this pc before quite alot of times.
12:53<iUser39614>Though right now i can go into my computer -> usb -> click setup says i can use amd64 bit? ;s
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12:54<whirl>iUser39614: Im no expert but I followed that guide to the dot and all worked fine. Sure its not perhaps that easy but it works
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12:54<retrospectacus>I know *nothing* about windows but it said to use this to put the ISO on usb
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13:00<lsd>debian amd64
13:00<lsd>no likes skype
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13:02<iUser39614>Okay look at this then
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13:02<retrospectacus>iUser39614: stick with 386, if only becuse you've already downloaded it
13:03<retrospectacus>iUser39614: can you choose *.iso in the file type chooser
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13:03<retrospectacus>or "all files"
13:03<iUser39614>retrospectacus: It doesn't have .iso there just img.
13:04<retrospectacus>I think you chose write instead of read
13:04<retrospectacus>not familiar with this program though
13:05<iUser39614>I guess im just stuck here then.
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13:05<retrospectacus>your computer has no cdrom?
13:05<iUser39614>Yeah it has a cdrom...
13:05<mAniAk->iUser39614: you want to install linux with an usb memory?
13:05<iUser39614>I just prefer to use USB all the time.
13:06<iUser39614>MAniAk: Yeah
13:06<mAniAk->iUser39614: just download unetbootin, you can choose what dist you want and it will dl it and move it to the usb
13:06<retrospectacus>yeah unetbootin worked well last time I used it
13:06<dpkg>UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions, packaged for Debian. See also <usb install>.
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13:07<iUser39614>Yeah ive used that before when i had backtrack on here
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13:09<mAniAk->iUser39614: or if windows is alredy on that pc you can use ubuntu and install it from windows, just mount the cd with daemo tools or something
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13:10<iUser39614>Yeah im doing unetbooting right now
13:10<retrospectacus>don't we have a thing like wubi for debian?
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13:11<retrospectacus>thing that will let you preview linux from within Windows, and install to HD if you like it
13:11<mAniAk->retrospectacus: dunno
13:12<iUser39614>I know ubuntu has it
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13:12<iUser39614>Okay this is done. Ill be back hopefully on debian :) ill come in with the user CrazyC :)
13:12<iUser39614>Thanks for the help :)
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13:14<dpkg>[win32-loader] "Debian-Installer Loader", a method of transferring Debian-Installer to a system running Microsoft Windows, which can then be restarted to install Debian. To install using CD/DVD or USB, ask me about <setup.exe>. To install from the Internet (or local Debian mirror), ask me about <debian.exe>. See also <install guide>, <d-i>.
13:14<retrospectacus>that's the thing
13:15<jhutchins>So we have confirmation that in some cases at least unetbootin DOES work.
13:15<retrospectacus>it has worked for me
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13:19<iUser39614>omdz cannot figger hardware networking device or something
13:19<iUser39614>I'm just going to download the whole thing instead.
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13:20<dpkg>[win32-loader] "Debian-Installer Loader", a method of transferring Debian-Installer to a system running Microsoft Windows, which can then be restarted to install Debian. To install using CD/DVD or USB, ask me about <setup.exe>. To install from the Internet (or local Debian mirror), ask me about <debian.exe>. See also <install guide>, <d-i>.
13:21<retrospectacus>iUser39614, try that thing ^^
13:21<retrospectacus>or burn your netinst ISO to CD
13:22<iUser39614>Can i just go into the USB its on right now and click setup.exe?
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13:23<iUser39614>okay. Ill be back
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13:23<muhoo>how can i get xpdf to start up in the background, i.e. without a controlling terminal?
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13:24<muhoo>it grabs the terminal and won't let go. i can't start it up with &, it won't run, it just hangs and waits for STDIN
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13:24<muhoo>i tried nohup, didn't help
13:25<muhoo>ah wait, nohup works fine, nevermind
13:25<retrospectacus>muhoo, you can try running it then ^Z and bg
13:25<muhoo>retrospectacus: that works, but it's a PITA
13:25<muhoo>nohup is what i want. didn't used to work but does now for some reason
13:25<retrospectacus>I'm surprised xpdf file.pdf & wouldn't work
13:26<muhoo>retrospectacus: nope. try it. it'll stop the process
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13:26<retrospectacus>I don't have xpdf but glad you got it figured out :)
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13:30<iUser39614>okay well that didn't work
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13:30<iUser39614>I'm just going to download the whole thing to gether, would be alot easier for my self. Plus then i have it on a disk for later useage on other machines i own.
13:31<iUser39614>Can someone please get me the torrent to download the whole thing please?
13:31<iUser39614>Not sure what one i need.....
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13:32<iUser39614>CD or DVD will do and i think i need i386
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13:34<jhutchins_lt>!tell iUser39614 about install guide
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13:36*iUser39614 goes back with ubuntu.
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13:37*iUser39614 will uninstall everything that he doesn't need.
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13:41<darkhawk>Gibt es eine ipv6 ip limitierung pro interface im debian-vserver system?
13:41<darkhawk>ggf eine magische Grenze bei 9 ipv6 ips ?
13:42<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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13:42<themill>!win bremner_
13:42<dpkg>Congratulations, bremner_! You have won a lifetime supply of spam!
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13:42<darkhawk>i was just in a hurry ;)
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13:44<iUser39614>!win yo
13:44<dpkg>Congratulations, yo! You have won the US presidency!
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13:44<kop>!tell iUser39614 about selftell
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13:46<iUser39614><dpkg> Congratulations, fuck me! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120!
13:46<dpkg>Please stop fondling my database in public! I have some degree of modesty, you know. If you want to look for factoids, ask me in a /msg, for example, /msg dpkg bot help
13:47<iUser39614>okay :(
13:48<retrospectacus>sorry! mt
13:48<iUser39614>buntu servers are damn slow.
13:48<kop>themill: How do you get a factoid in dpkg that's not of the "foo is ..." form?
13:48<themill>kop: "foo is <reply>blah". e.g. /msg dpkg literal enough
13:49<kop>themill: Thanks.
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13:50<iUser39614>This good or bad? Keep Win Xp here and just make the partition smaller while i have linux on here too?
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13:55<retrospectacus>iUser39614: the less Windows the better
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13:58<GhostlyDeath>My Room has no windows
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14:07<jhutchins_lt>iUser39614: That's a good way to get started.
14:08<jhutchins_lt>iUser39614: You can always just make the plunge, but some people need to go back occasionally.
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14:20<lsd>irc is the best way to chat
14:20<lsd>facebook is lamer :D
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14:24<iUser39614>linuxbook xD
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14:26<tash>gnewbook actually exist
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14:29<iUser39614>Anyone used this before?
14:30<iUser39614>tash: Just looks like a clone of facebook.
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14:31<iUser39614>tash: facebook is 10x better than that.
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14:48<audiclean>Should an Atom be enough for a soft raid 5 debian nas?
14:50<muep>should work
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14:53<audiclean>muep: cool, I'll have dig for some benchmarks and see what I can find
14:53<audiclean>I really don't want to dump anything much more powerful in a file/irc server
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15:06<bja>nesecito ayudaa
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15:07<Guest2630>pee on carl
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15:17<soroush>hi everybody
15:17<soroush>im starting ubuntu now
15:18<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
15:19<soroush>how i can execute cpp file in ubuntu
15:19<Gathond>soroush: you can't
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15:20<Gathond>soroush: it is source code
15:20<Gathond>itis not an executable program
15:20<Gathond>you can however compile it
15:20<soroush>i know
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15:20<Gathond>well provided you know what you are doing and have any other code it references handy
15:20<soroush>but how/
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15:21<Gathond>depends entirely on the code in question
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15:21<Gathond>gcc filename ... in the most simple case
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15:22<soroush>i have program that written in turbo c++ ide in windows plateform
15:22<soroush>how i can run it in linux
15:23<Gathond>you probably can't
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15:23<soroush>means linux not support c++ ?? !!
15:24<Gathond>c++ as in the language sure
15:24<Gathond>as in borlands windows/dos only extensions and development environment no
15:24<Gathond>the editors, compilers etc in turbo c++ is made for windows by borland
15:24<Gathond>you may be able to run it in dosbox (if it is an old dos version) or with wine (windows reimplementation effort)
15:24<tupacshakur>soroush - are you in berkeley?
15:25<tupacshakur>are you in the ski club?
15:26<tupacshakur>yah you are
15:26<retrospectacus>soroush: the answer is "gcc" - go from there
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15:27<soroush>many programs exist that coding by c++ and run in linux , how that complies??
15:27<Gathond>retrospectacus: seriosly? you thinkg gcc can compile that borland propritary stuff?
15:28<soroush>here is an aplication that name QT
15:28<soroush>what is QT creator
15:28<retrospectacus>depends what it is, like you said
15:29<soroush>seems can complie cpp
15:29<Gathond>soroush: not too sure, probably a c++ KDE IDE
15:29<Gathond>for QT development
15:29<tupacshakur>i am miles
15:29<muep>Qt Creator is an IDE for writing C/C++/QML applications, especially for the Qt framework
15:29<pipe>this is hilarious
15:29<muep>but it also uses GCC
15:29<Gathond>that it does
15:30<Gathond>most of turbo c++ as I remember it is borlands proprietiary windows GUi stuff and non standard C++ extensions though
15:30<muep>on GNU/Linux, the C/C++ compiler is not really tied to any IDE
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15:31<Gathond>so I maintain that I'm sceptic (very) of the concept of just compilling any non trivial borland turbo C++ program with gcc
15:31<soroush>thank for ur answer
15:31*muep agrees with Gathond about the turbo C++ - GCC -compatiblity
15:33<muep>if it just a simple console app, it can possibly be made to work on gcc with some effort
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15:36<soroush>guys when i connected to internet my system working slow!! why?
15:36<Lethalman>soroush, takes long to open pages?
15:37<Lethalman>oh your system
15:37<soroush>im just chat now
15:37<soroush>my laptop dell 1520 vostro
15:37<muep>maybe it is checking for updates to the operating system?
15:38<soroush>its prfect working offline
15:38<pipe>What operating system do you use?
15:39<soroush>ubunu 9.10 ultimate edition 2.5
15:39<bst>view active processes
15:40<soroush>how ?
15:40<bst>top, htop ...
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15:41<cahoot>soroush: you should notice this is #debian. Ubuntu has its own supportchannels
15:41<soroush>im beginner
15:42<Hydroxide>soroush: if you're a beginner needing help with ubuntu, go to #ubuntu on (also known as
15:42<muep>and the so called ultimate edition distro may also have its own support channels
15:42<Hydroxide>ah, that too
15:43<muep>AFAIK it is like Ubuntu with even more proprietary stuff in it
15:43<pipe>they seem to talk alot about wine
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15:44<will>they need windows :-D
15:45<soroush>i used windows for 6 year
15:46<Hotas>Im using Debian as servers and windows to game on :=)
15:46<will>now it's time to be free
15:46<Hotas>How is the wine support nowadays?
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15:46<muep>well, the wine stuff is available in almost all x86 GNU/Linux distros
15:47<will>Windows support won't be perfect
15:47<will>and will never be
15:47<will>WINE look like a game itself
15:48<audiclean>If i have both the sid in lenny repos in my sources file, how do I choose which one to source packages from?
15:49<audiclean>tha package in question is mpd 0.15
15:49<soroush>when i enter linux , i confuse
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15:50<soroush>every body know good anti virus for linux
15:50<soroush>open source :D
15:51<raz0rsedge>soroush, ClamAV afaik
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15:51<notrev>audiclean, i think what you need is: aptitude < install / purge / ... > <package> -t < lenny / sid / testing / stable >
15:51<muep>soroush: you probably do not need one
15:51<muep>viruses against GNU/Linux are quite rare
15:51<Hotas>AV on debian, na
15:52<Hotas>Atleast not when running a server ;)
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15:52<muep>more important is to keep your system up to date with the latest security updates
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15:52<pipe>You could try getting some virus to run with wine I guess
15:52<soroush>i dont
15:52<raz0rsedge>soroush, ya can use it with amavis for mailscanning
15:53<Hotas>im keeping my up2date and iptables :)
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15:53<will>soroush: antivirus is not a protection
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15:54<will>it's just a solution to remove some known virus
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15:54<soroush>then how i protect my system
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15:54<Hotas>Dont install things you dont know a thing bout :
15:54<will>don't browser pr0n websites
15:54<Hotas>Im browing pr0n sites And I dont got any virus :)
15:55<soroush>its same window protection
15:55<will>to be safe your computer need attention
15:56<muep>or no attention (and no power) at all
15:56<Hotas>computer a.k.a attention whore!
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15:56<muep>antivirus is not a replacement for common sense
15:56<soroush>wow ok
15:56<audiclean>notrev: Running apt-get install mpd -t sid tells me I have the latest version
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15:58<notrev>audiclean, then you should have the latest version
15:58<audiclean>running mpd --verison though gives me 0.13
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15:58<audiclean>might just build it from source
15:58<will>don't use proprietary softwares like Flash player
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15:59<soroush>oh rember me
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15:59<soroush>how i can run flash program
15:59<soroush>i mean swf files
15:59<notrev>audiclean, the version in your computer and the version in the repo should be the same
16:00<will>use swfdec I you need flash like water
16:00<will>it's included in Debian by default
16:00<notrev>audiclean, type: aptitude show mpd -t sid , to see package information, then check the version
16:02<soroush> <notrev> i do and saw : Option -t requires an argument.
16:03<notrev>soroush, the message was for audiclean
16:04<soroush>oh sorry
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16:05<audiclean>notrev: it say 0.15 there
16:06<notrev>audiclean, what version does 'dpkg -l | grep mpd' returns?
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16:07<audiclean>notrev: 0.13 there
16:07<soroush>more question
16:08<soroush>Where the installed files (which folder) are copied in linux?
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16:08<notrev>audiclean, you could try reinstalling mpd
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16:08<pipe>soroush: it's installed in different places
16:08<soroush>for example in windows c:/programfiles
16:08<pipe>soroush: /usr/bin and /usr/share usually
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16:09<pipe>soroush: But don't touch things in there
16:09<felixs>soroush: use dpkg -L <packetname> to see where the files are installed
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16:10<will>almost linux distrib are FHS compliant
16:11<S-T-A-R-K>any of u use backtrack?
16:11<audiclean>notrev: wow, i just double checked my sources file and found it only had sid multimedia and not main
16:11<audiclean>notrev: sorry for wasting your time with that
16:11<S-T-A-R-K>know of any xploit for windows vista?
16:11<pipe>S-T-A-R-K: Yeah
16:11<notrev>audiclean, no problem =]
16:11<soroush>can i see source code of package in linux for modified or develop?
16:11<pipe>S-T-A-R-K: Now troll away to the backtrack channel
16:11<audiclean>notrev: at least i learnt how to select repos, that was useful
16:11<will>S-T-A-R-K: we support only Debian here ;-)
16:11<audiclean>notrev: got it upgraded now
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16:12<S-T-A-R-K>my bad
16:12<notrev>audiclean, glad i could help
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16:17<soroush>can i see source code of packages in linux for modified or develop?
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16:17<muep>soroush: yes, it is usually available in the home pages of the programs in question
16:18<muep>in case you are talking about free software packages
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16:18<muep>there is also some stuff for which there is no source available
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16:18<soroush>i mean not webpags
16:19<soroush>in os
16:19<muep>the source is distributed on the web pages
16:19<soroush>installed packages
16:19<pipe>apt-get source <foo>
16:19<pipe>for whatever program you want to see
16:19<muep>that, too
16:20<muep>but I'd rather look at the vanilla sources than the debianized ones
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16:20<muep>soroush: by default the source of installed packages is not installed
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16:21<muep>you can fetch it with apt-get source <packagename>, but I'd still recommend looking at the unmodified versions of the same sources at the various projects' web pages
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16:21<soroush>i do it because want to know how programing in linux
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16:22<muep>well, it is mostly very similar to programmin in non-linux
16:23<muep>if you use cross-platform tools
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16:24<soroush>i programed in windows, there i store any data to registery, how i do it in linux
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16:25<muep>no such registry available in GNU/Linux
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16:26<soroush>i mean what is equivalent registry in linux ?
16:26<muep>there is no such thing
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16:27<muep>write your settings to a file somewhere
16:27<soroush>you mean i can use file instead registry?
16:27<bst>soroush: read FHS
16:28<muep>soroush: usually all programs can read and write files at least somewhere
16:28<will>soroush: use Gconf
16:29<soroush>and last question for this time :D
16:29<muep>gconf is a settings database that kind of resembles the windows registry
16:29<soroush>im web programmer and php is my life and my love
16:30<soroush>how i can run apache in linux
16:30<will>apt-get install apache
16:30<pascal>not with a registry key ;)
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16:30<will>or use Synaptic
16:30<soroush>i do it but it dos't work
16:31<will>man apache
16:31<muep>you need to learn to configure it
16:31<will>gedit something/apache.conf
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16:32<soroush>is'nt any program same as wamp or Xamp for linux?
16:32<muep>what do they do?
16:33<will>edit the configuration file with a GUI
16:33<soroush>they inlcude php,mysql,apache
16:33<will>like Gedit
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16:33<will>but in a specific interface
16:33<soroush>for example wamp : windows apache mysql and php
16:33<muep>hmm, no such thing I guess
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16:34<muep>or actually there are some GUIs, but I am not familiar with them
16:34<soroush>but i hear any things about lamp
16:34<muep>lamp is just a generic term that describes a system running Linux, Apache, Mysql and something that starts with P
16:35<soroush>but i don't know where i can find it
16:35<bst>php triad?
16:35<muep>not any specific software package
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16:35<Gathond>soroush: just install apache, libapache-php, mysql-server
16:35<weasel>linux, apache, mason, postgres?
16:35<Gathond>and you will have the same thing
16:35<will>Lamp looks like a megapack not used 100% by most users
16:35<pascal>soroush: the best for you is to run windows on linux with kvm :D
16:35<will>install what you need it's better
16:36<soroush>oh no
16:36<kop>soroush: You will find that Un*x is modular. You pick the pieces you like and put them togther to exactly suit what you're trying to do.
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16:37<soroush>im tired in windows
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16:37<kop>soroush: The docs below may help
16:37<dpkg>Before asking in here or on the <debian-user> mailing list, you should read the Installation Guide, or if you already have Debian installed, the Debian Reference. Ask me about <ig>, <reference>, <refcard>, <docs>, <manuals>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <faq>, <unix lessons>, <general cli tutorial>. (e.g. in your IRC client, type /msg dpkg reference)
16:37<will>Windows is a good operating system
16:38<will>if you ignore problems
16:38<pipe>soroush: And you should ask in #ubuntu, not here
16:38<soroush>i know :D
16:38<soroush>but i hate microsoft :D
16:39<will>but the Service Pack is free
16:39<will>for Windows users only
16:39<soroush>here win7 ultimate is free :D
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16:41<kop>soroush: Sure. And you're getting the "speical" version with all sorts of "extra" security added too!
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16:42<will>what's win7?
16:42<will>a new game?
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16:42<soroush>oh no
16:42<soroush>windows 7
16:43<will>so you loose security
16:43<will>proprietary bugs
16:44<will>Microsoft certified
16:44<kop>soroush: The friendly crackers who bring you the discs for free add back-doors.
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16:44<will>kop: not only virus on Windows ISO but in games too
16:45<soroush>i don't game
16:45<kop>Which is one reason why we recommend getting all your software from the debian repostitories. It's all signed and validated.
16:45<will>everything is about trust
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16:46<kop>Install something from a 3rd party, say adobe, and you don't know what you're getting. Sony, Sears and others have all distributed rootkits.
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16:47<will>trust in your bank you may be homeless soon or later
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16:49<kop>One reason "otheros" systems turn to muck after a few years is that 3rd party software does not all play well together. Get all your software from MS it'll (usually) all work. But nobody can get all the software they need from one company. But you can get all the software you need from Debian because Debian serves as a world-wide aggregation, testing, and validation service.
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16:52<julian>anyone know how to make wifi connection more faster
16:53<Hotas>use N-draft :D
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16:53<kop>julian: Switch channels on the access point. Only 3 are really different channels. I forget the details. See wikipeia.
16:53<kop>pascal: emdebian
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16:56<will>julian: plug an ethernet cable it's efficient and secure ;-)
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17:00<julian>yone know if nvidia 310M has compatibility issues with debian or ubuntu
17:00<retrospectacus>julian: are you encountering an issue?
17:01<julian>yes i have
17:01<Geronimo>rello peopl
17:01<julian>the driver for this card as it seems not working properly,
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17:02<will>what happens?
17:02<retrospectacus>julian: what is the line in the output of "lspci -nn" for that card
17:03<will>which driver do you use?
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17:04<Tex>please could someone help me for a problem on Evolution 2.22 (Debian lenny)? I cannot anymree save an attached file. Don't know why. log is here:
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17:05<julian>then I install the driver directly from nvidia's website, which deice 31M for linux, but works well, I can not actuliazar version, or put to hibernate my pc.
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17:06<will>try nvidia support ;-)
17:06<julian>i use
17:06<julian>this driver
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17:07<kop>!binary-only drivers
17:07<dpkg>hmm... binary-only drivers is another name for <proprietary drivers>. There is a reason why people say "Use binary-only drivers, hate life." They make Linux less secure, less stable, and less flexible. See
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17:32<csotelo>hi people.. some one could give me a help... I have gcc 4.4.5 installed on my laptop, but I need gcc4.3.5 for run vmware, is posible having both of them gcc version
17:33<julian>yone know if nvidia 310M has compatibility issues with debian or ubuntu
17:33<julian>this problems with toshiba a505-s6033
17:33<pipe>csotelo: everything is possible, jsut just a question of how difficult it is
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17:34<csotelo>pipe, could you explain me taht.. I odnt understand what do you mean
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17:35<pipe>csotelo: just install the gcc-4.3 package
17:35<abrotman>csotelo: is gcc 4.3.5 installed ? CC=/usr/bin/gcc-4.3 ./vmware-installer
17:35<csotelo>ok.. thanks.. I hope no problems
17:35<csotelo>abrotman, I have gcc 4.4.5
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17:36<julian>yone know if nvidia 310M has compatibility issues with debian or ubuntu
17:37<julian>toshiba a505-s6033 have to 310M nvidia
17:37<julian>and i install ubuntu9.10
17:37<abrotman>julian: debian and ubuntu are different .. if you want ubuntu support, go to #ubuntu on
17:37<julian>and this don't work fine
17:37<franci>hello boys!
17:37<f8l>Hello. Is there a way to use a laptop with screen turned off?
17:37<julian>i'd debian
17:38<franci>i have a problem
17:38<abrotman>julian: you just said it's ubuntu
17:38<julian>i'd saw debian
17:38<julian>yes but not
17:38<abrotman>f8l: hit the Fn+<whateverkey to switch to the external)
17:38<julian>with debian
17:38<franci>i have to remove a message from debian-l10n-spanish list
17:38<abrotman>julian: it's either Debian or it's not .. make up your mind
17:38<will>julian: try the nvidia support for proprietary drivers
17:38<amphi>f8l: use it for what?
17:38<f8l>abrotman: Not an option.
17:39<franci> i have to remove a message from debian-l10n-spanish list
17:39<f8l>amphi: To note on lectures.
17:39<fnmueller>julian: you could also try randr
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17:39<amphi>fnmueller: not with nvidia, I don't think
17:39<franci>help me
17:39<franci> i have to remove a message from debian-l10n-spanish list
17:40<fnmueller>amphi: only if you indeed use the proprietary driver I believe
17:40<amphi>which most do, I believe
17:41<fnmueller>amphi: well, I don't know what he has installed - just like you ;-)
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17:42<pipe>franci: Why don't you contact the list owner
17:42<amphi>fnmueller: nor I, although I suspect nv or vesa ;)
17:42<fnmueller>amphi: hehe
17:42<will>franci: what's wrong with the list?
17:42<bremner_>franci: but in general that message has already been archived many places
17:42<amphi>fnmueller: anyway, it's ubuntu
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17:43<franci>we need to remove a message from the spanish archive because there is a full name and email address associated with an adult site.
17:43<will>did you write BS? :-D
17:44<will>let me guess it's your name
17:44<franci>but the owner of list don't reply me
17:44<will>you'll be fired tomorrow
17:44<pipe>franci: well if the owner don't reply, what are we going to do?
17:44<abrotman>f8l: wait .. what are you trying to do ?
17:44<Ganneff>franci: who do you wrote to?
17:45<abrotman>franci: why would you want to remove it?
17:45<will>franci: did you write to listmaster@...?
17:45<jordanm>doesn't mailman even attach a "report spam" link?
17:46<f8l>f8l: I'm trying to make my battery last a little longer by taking notes blindly with monitor turned off – I don't look at it anyway.
17:46<abrotman>franci: that's a public list, it's mirrored in a dozen places
17:46<abrotman>f8l: try again :)
17:46<abrotman>f8l: right .. so hit the Fn+monitorkey ?
17:46<f8l>abrotman: Already suggested by amphi. Nothing happens.
17:46<franci>the list is
17:47<jordanm>f8l: put something over the sensor so it thinks the lid is closed and set closed lit to power off monitor?
17:47<abrotman>f8l: hit it again .. they usually have three modes
17:47<franci>the message is backuped on
17:47<jordanm>2010-10-13 17:46 < f8l> f8l: I'm trying to make my battery last a little longer by taking notes blindly with monitor turned off - I don't look at it anyway.
17:48<julian>nvidia 310M is don't work to debian or ubuntu
17:48<abrotman>jordanm: that might put it to sleep ?
17:48<jordanm>sorry, didn't mean to past
17:48<Ganneff>franci: you are not answering our questions. a.) who do you wrote to? b.) you realize its pointless to remove as its in a hundred places on the internet, so it wont be done?
17:48<julian>the drivers is fuck
17:48<pipe>franci: What's the problem with that post?
17:48<jordanm>abrotman: not if you adjust your power management daemon accordingly
17:48<bremner_>franci: seriously, a message from 5 years ago?
17:48<abrotman>franci: that's from five years ago
17:48<pipe>franci: You need to learn about internet.
17:48<abrotman>that's bullshit
17:48<will>bremner_: maybe he's looking for a job
17:49<will>not in pr0n
17:49<f8l>jordanm: That would lock it, but if I disable xlock it might work, but it's an ugly solution I'll try last.
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17:49<abrotman>will: he should think about that before he sends an email from that account to a list that is clearly archived and mirrored
17:49<Ganneff>franci: nothing will happen
17:49<franci>because in this message there is a full name and email address associated with an adult site
17:49<jordanm>franci: IMO, this will accomplish nothing other than bring more attention to it.
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17:49<Ganneff>franci: nothing will happen, no matter what is written in there
17:50<f8l>abrotman: Hit many times – still nothing.
17:50<will>any web virgin here?
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17:50<pipe>franci: what is the problem with having the message there?
17:50<franci>ok. but this message appear on goole search associated with name and surname
17:50<f8l>will: What do you mean?
17:50<Ganneff>franci: thats life.
17:50<Prins>i have a serious problem
17:51<abrotman>f8l: i usually just turn down the brightness a log
17:51<Prins>I can't connect to my box
17:51<abrotman>a lot
17:51<Prins>using the ssh
17:51<Prins>I think it might be overloaded or something
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17:51<abrotman>f8l: you could also try xrandr to alter the output
17:51<Prins>I accidently ran a hping3 on my own network. I'm now connected from my fathers wireless network thingy
17:51<f8l>abrotman: I already did it today, but it still uses more power than it could. ;-)
17:51<Prins>WTH am i supposed to do? :/
17:51<Prins>I'm completely frustrated
17:51<f8l>abrotman: I'll try.
17:52<will>f8l: nobody is anonymous on the web
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17:52<jordanm>!tell will about tor
17:52<abrotman>jordanm: that's not truly anonymous
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17:52<Prins>can someone help me please? :)
17:53<jordanm>abrotman: not the exit node.. but damn close
17:53<pipe>Prins: A psychologist can help you with your feelings of frustration
17:53<abrotman>jordanm: there are papers on it IIRC
17:53<will>anonymous IP?
17:53<Prins>pipe: that I knew :D
17:53<jordanm>yeah, I saw a talk on it a security conference
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17:54<pipe>Tor will help you with one specific problem when you try to be anonymous
17:54<pipe>It will not help you if you post your name and password to a mailinglist
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17:56<Prins>umm.. is it possible to remotely reboot?
17:56<jordanm>yep, talked about a bit in "the awesome time I was sued for 2 billion dollars" by jason scott
17:56<Prins>you know.. to slip a command in between all the data that's going around on my server?
17:56<Prins>It's completely blocking me out, and I'm having hping3 running in there..
17:56<Prins>it's not good
17:56<Ganneff>press the reset button
17:57<Prins>Ganneff: like.. what reset button? it's a vps in USA i'm in Denmark..
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17:57<Prins>I got it from some random person = I can't access the control panel
17:57<Ganneff>then use the oob access
17:57<Ganneff>well, then let the random person access that
17:57<Prins>my only choice is terminal access
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17:58<Prins>he's not online :D
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17:58<Ganneff>then you lost
17:58<will>buy a ticket to USA
17:58<Prins>Ganneff: I figured :/
17:58<Prins>My dad is gonna kill me :D
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17:59<Ganneff>wish him fun with it
17:59<Prins>Ganneff: I will indeed
17:59<Ganneff>(thats whats called learning. next time you think twice before using hping or any tool)
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18:00<Prins>hell fucking yeah
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18:05<Prins>will hping3 stop by itself sometime?
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18:06<Ganneff>hope dies last
18:06<f8l>abrotman: xrandr was able to disable the output, but strange things happened while I was off sight. I have to check whats going on, but basically this is what I was looking for – thank you.
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18:06<abrotman>f8l: enjoy not being able to see anything! :)
18:07<f8l>abrotman: I can always Super+t, `xrandr --output LVDS1 --auto`. ;-)
18:07<abrotman>ah okay
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18:08*f8l is going to try again. Lights out.
18:08<amphi>f8l: good idea ;)
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18:14<f8l>amphi: No. ;-( This time I just got a screen freeze. It was still operational. Strange things happen to me today... And my cellphone crashed when I was recording it...
18:14<amphi>clearly a 'bell, book, & candle' job ;)
18:15<f8l>The video I tried to record vanished. :\
18:16<f8l>At least I know the screen does not get locked.
18:21<f8l>Third trial was like the second. I guess I'll just give it up. Thank you for help and good night.
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18:24<sporkboy>okay, it started x, but it was all stripey, and the right edge was on the left.
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18:54<nirvani>good afternoon
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19:17<gencha>what would be the right place for questions regarding lintian rules?
19:17<abrotman>retrospectacus: sdb appears to be dying
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19:21<retrospectacus>abrotman: so it appears, what may be a dd (?) command to attempt to recover data from it?
19:21<jhutchins_lt>retrospectacus: I would normally say that it looks like bad hardware, but I'm having interesting problems with USB devices lately - including a brand new drive.
19:22<jhutchins_lt>The only thing that mounts properly is my video camera, so I have to use it as an sd card reader.
19:25<retrospectacus>well this drive is def. f****d ... it is supposed to boot Puppy linux but does not
19:26<retrospectacus>(and it worked fine until recently)
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19:31<retrospectacus>I will try: dd if=/dev/sdb1 of=~/sdb1.bin and try and mount that and recover files....
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19:32<abrotman>did you see ddrescue ?
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19:34<retrospectacus>nice, thanks for the tip :)
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20:34<lumaki>hi guys, I'm trying to make modifications to xorg-server
20:34<lumaki>i've prepared my patch, but how do i integrate it, and then build it?
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20:49<jordanm>!tell lumaki about nmg
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20:49<jordanm>lumaki: it depends on the source format. see the section of the NMG on "modifying the source" or something like that
20:50<lumaki>jordanm: thanks jordanm i'm building it now
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20:57<hachi>hi folks, I just got a bunch of
20:57<hachi>dpkg-deb: failed to create directory: Invalid argument
20:58<hachi>I'm not out of disk space though
20:58<kop>hachi: Try: df -i
20:59<hachi>rather low... 14% used
20:59<hachi>rerunning it seems to be working... so I have no idea what just happened
21:00<hachi>no kernel errors..
21:00<hachi>why doesn't dpkg-deb say what directory it was trying to create?
21:00<tash>guys, if I move a partition, its uid does change?
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21:03<lumaki>jordanm: how could i pass -j 6 to make when using debuild ?
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21:06<jordanm>lumaki: add it to debian/rules
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21:07<hachi>nope... now it's hung
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21:08<hachi>[1191881.760081] INFO: task dpkg:23280 blocked for more than 120 seconds.
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21:10<jordanm>hachi: what are you trying to do?
21:10<hachi>from a user perspective, I ran 'apt-get install php5-snmp'
21:11<hachi>from a programmer perspective, this reminds me a lot of an elevator glitch again
21:11<hachi>kernel has deadlocked some IO activity on me
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21:15<hachi>ln: creating symbolic link `/var/run/agentx': Invalid argument
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21:20<twb>In fbcon (i.e. the built-in framebuffer tty), can I make *BOTH* ^? and ^H act as a backspace?
21:20<twb>I guess that means sending a ^? to the client (e.g. bash) when I physically type ^H.
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21:33<jordanm>hachi: pastebin the output of `mount`
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21:41<hachi>in that 15 minutes I actually rebooted the host... so it seems to be fine again
21:42<hachi>I'll try to collect more data if it happens again
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22:01<kcin8>hey everyone, i got a fresh 5.0.6 install and all is fine but when i check my load avg its at a constant 2.00
22:02<kcin8>from a fresh boot its at 0.50 and then it just goes up to 2.0 and i can see both my cores at 100% idle
22:03<kingsley>kcin8: Have you tried running the "top" command to see if any processes are loading the computer?
22:03<kcin8>yeah im looking at the load avg and idle in top..
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22:04<kcin8>cpu0 and cpu1 are at 100.0% idle and nothing is taking cpu. like i said its a fresh install,boot
22:04<kcin8>load average
22:04<jordanm>oh, duh
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22:08<kcin8>its obviously giving me a wrong load since nothing on the system is taking cpu time and it goes up to 2.00 for no reason
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22:11<kcin8>anyone an idea? maybe something wrong reporting load with multicore/64bit systems ?
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22:18<lsd>i no like the 64 bit debian
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22:18<lsd>too many problems
22:19<lsd>in 2 days 2 freeze
22:19<lsd>flashplayer is not at 64 and u need to use the 32 version
22:19<lsd>skype too
22:20<franki^>That's not Debian's fault
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22:20<lsd>the freeze of the os it's
22:21<kcin8>i dont need flash or skype. this is for a server and i need to use 64bit for certain things
22:21<lsd>there is not reason to freeze one debian with all right configured
22:21<franki^>Well, I've been using 64bit for about two years without problems, but I don;t use Adobe's Flash player or Skype
22:22<lsd>of course without the stupid stuff it go better
22:22<lsd>but i no found a good reason for the freeze of today
22:23<kcin8>first time i get this.. im not really worried since i can see the cpu idle % which right but idk whats causing my system to see a 2.00 static load
22:23<lsd>try this code /bin/sync; echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches
22:24<lsd>and use top to understand what process
22:24<lsd>did it
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22:25<kcin8>i get nothing from that
22:26<lsd>top not shows what process use all the cpu?
22:26<jordanm>kcin8: my guess would be the kernel itself
22:26<kcin8>that command dint do anything. i got nothing eating the cpu
22:27<kcin8>yeah im guessing its the kernel too..
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22:27<kcin8>i will have to make one and see if it fixes the problem
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22:29<adrian>alguien habla esÑol
22:29<lsd>i think that the official lang is eng
22:29<lsd>for the rest you can try google.YourCountry , LOL
22:32<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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22:36<seumas>Hello! Where can I find a 2.6.18 kernel package for amd64? I looked at, but it only has 2.6.8
22:39<seumas>hmm, thanks!
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22:42<abrotman>that can't be good
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23:06<literal>Hm, if I neglected to select to install "Laptop" stuff in the installer, which package(s) should I install?
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23:11<qq->maybe laptop-detect laptop-mode-tools laptop-net
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23:15<chealer>literal: the installer component is called tasksel and available in the installed system
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23:41<blarson>What's a nice simple command line tool for playing ogg's in squeeze? ogg123 is missing.
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23:53<jordanm>,file ogg123
23:53<judd>ogg123 in lenny/i386: vorbis-tools: usr/bin/ogg123
23:53<jordanm>,file ogg123 --release squeeze
23:53<judd>ogg123 in squeeze/i386: vorbis-tools-dbg: usr/lib/debug/usr/bin/ogg123; vorbis-tools: usr/bin/ogg123; fusil: usr/share/fusil/fuzzers/fusil-ogg123
23:53<jordanm>blarson: ^
23:54<jordanm>!tell blarson about as
23:57<blarson>jordanm: thanks
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