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---Logopened Sat Oct 16 00:00:52 2010
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01:00<lake_note>debian or ubuntu?
01:00<lake_note>for server
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01:02<franki^>This is #debian ...
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01:02<macarthur>there still isn't any way to do a software level changing of the FSB speed in debian yet right? For example a program that is similar but is windows only is setFSB.
01:03<lake_note>and ubuntu?
01:03<coredump>lake_note, debian for servers.
01:04<coredump>lake_note, IMO
01:05<lake_note>and cent os?
01:07<coredump>lake_note, it all depends on what you are going to use and what ou are confortable using
01:08<lake_note>i just started to use howtoforge
01:08<coredump>lake_note, if you are using oracle or things that have support contracts that bind you to SuSE, use SuSE, if it binds you to Red Hat, use Red Hat, if it doesn't matter, find one you like
01:08<lake_note>newcommer
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01:10<amitz>lake_note: given some things particular about you, I suggest ubuntu.
01:10<amitz>!tell lake_note about ubuntu
01:11<lake_note>why?
01:12<amitz>I answer in #ubuntu of freenode.
01:12<lake_note>ok
01:12<lake_note>i know abot that
01:13<lake_note>that ubuntu is fork of debian
01:13<lake_note>some money is in the game
01:13<lake_note>from south africa
01:13<lake_note>:)
01:13<lake_note>thanks amitz
01:13<lake_note>i will join that channel also
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01:16<lake_note>is this official debian chennel oan the irc?
01:16<lake_note>on
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01:17<jpinx-eeepc>yes
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01:21<lake_note>ima li koji srbin
01:21<lake_note>opucih se
01:21<lake_note>:)
01:21<jpinx-eeepc>lake_note: english please
01:22<lake_note>i just ask
01:22<lake_note>if there is any serbian
01:22<lake_note>:)
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01:23<jpinx-eeepc>lake_note: do you have a question about debian?
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01:24<lake_note>any books to recommend
01:24<lake_note>for server admin
01:24<jpinx-eeepc>!tell lake_note about books
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01:56<Silicium01>I'm planning to buy a laptop and will run Linux on it. I wanted to install Linux on a connected esata drive so that I dont mess with the os that it comes with in case it has some incompatible hardware and I have to return it. So my question is: Is esata just as fast as internal sata drives?
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02:01<jordanm>Silicium01: yes
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02:02<Silicium01>jordanm, thank you. Are you sure about this? Have you tried?
02:02<MonthOLDpickle>Hi I have debian with xfce installed
02:02<MonthOLDpickle>How do I fix my touchpad
02:03<jordanm>Silicium01: I double checked the wikipedia article before replying
02:03<amitz>MonthOLDpickle: be more specific about the problem.
02:03<Silicium01>jordanm, thank you. I am trying to find the best solution to boot externaly. I guess esata would be it. I wonder how much ssd s are, maybe that would be faster?
02:04<MonthOLDpickle>I can.t double hit to click
02:04<jordanm>Silicium01: well, yes, and ssd would be faster, but I would also use esata to hook that up
02:04<MonthOLDpickle>I can side scroll up and down but if I double tap it doesn.t act like a mouse click
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02:05<Silicium01>jordanm, do you know roughly what the performance difference would be if I were to use external esata with ssd vs external esata with regular drive?
02:06<MonthOLDpickle>nor do my function keys work for like volume
02:06<jordanm>Silicium01: I really don't the the "e" is a factor. you can google around for benchmarks
02:07<Silicium01>ok
02:07<Silicium01>thanks
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02:10<MonthOLDpickle>bah I don't know anything I prob should go crawl in a rock lol
02:16<jordanm>!tell MonthOLDpickle about synaptics
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02:21<MonthOLDpickle>hey anybody know of universal usb installer?
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02:24<amitz>MonthOLDpickle: typing "synclient TapButton1=1" is a shortcut
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02:26<Guest2926>i have an old arcade machine which runs pre-sarge debian. it has an fx5500. when i make a new image, the graphics lag a lot in Xorg. any ideas why this would happen?
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02:27<Guest2926>the original image appearently was running XFree86
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02:33<MonthOLDpickle>hey anybody know of universal usb installer?/
02:33<MonthOLDpickle>err
02:33<MonthOLDpickle>I hit the up arrow
02:34<MonthOLDpickle>I am getting a can't mount partition on a 4GB fat32 usb stick
02:34<MonthOLDpickle>why?
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02:44<EmleyMoor>Can solution-finding take time when going "lenny->squeeze" as per the factoid?
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02:45<jpinx-eeepc>EmleyMoor: if you follow the factoid you will upg5rade, but if you upgrade your system will not get security updates and there are still a fair number of bad bugs in Squeeze
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02:46<EmleyMoor>jpinx-eeepc: I'm getting lots of counting going on but no solution yet
02:47<jpinx-eeepc>EmleyMoor: solution to what?
02:47<EmleyMoor>Resolving dependencies
02:48<jpinx-eeepc>EmleyMoor: did you update and full-upgrade your lenny before you started?
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02:49<EmleyMoor>No, though I don't think it can have been far out of date.
02:50<jpinx-eeepc>EmleyMoor: did you upgrade the kernel?
02:50<EmleyMoor>Yes
02:51<jpinx-eeepc>ok - hopefully aptitude will resolve thing from your out of date packages, you might have to run it several times
02:51<EmleyMoor>It was up to date
02:52*EmleyMoor tries again
02:52<jpinx-eeepc>you just told me that you did not run update and full-upgrade prior
02:52<jpinx-eeepc>so it was not up to date
02:53<EmleyMoor>I just went back and did and nothing changed
02:53<jpinx-eeepc>"went back" ?
02:53<EmleyMoor>Reverted my sources.list
02:54<jpinx-eeepc>you realy want to break your system - don't you? :p
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02:54<EmleyMoor>jpinx-eeepc: No
02:54<jpinx-eeepc>you can not go back
02:54<EmleyMoor>It is not in a state that that would break
02:54<antivirtel>hello all
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02:55<jpinx-eeepc>what "state" is it in then?
02:55<jpinx-eeepc>EmleyMoor: ↑↑
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02:55<EmleyMoor>Not resolved pre-installation dependencies - not found any solutions
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02:56<EmleyMoor>Kernel upgraded and rebooted into, but that is all
02:57<EmleyMoor>All packages not changed by that are still lenny
02:58<jpinx-eeepc>ok - then what is the specific issue now?
02:58<antivirtel>I need some information about building a webserv with the lastest lenny(5.0.6). I use LVM, and I write the structure: 18,2GB HDD, LVM1: 1500MB for swap(I have 768MB RAM); LVM2: 3,1GB ext3 for /; LVM3: 15,3GB ext3 - for /home,/root,/var,/tmp; and before the LVM config, the expert install shows me the grub or lilo bootloader, after the partitioning, only LILO is available, why?
02:58<EmleyMoor>It's continually counting at the "Resolving dependencies..." stage and finding no solutions yet
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02:59<antivirtel>and wellcome back supplicant
02:59<antivirtel>*welcome
03:00<EmleyMoor>open: 46791; closed: 44968; defer: 5; conflict: 71 at last prompt
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03:01<jpinx-eeepc>EmleyMoor: keep running it - it'll depend on what you have intalled in there
03:01<nie>?
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03:01<EmleyMoor>jpinx-eeepc: Any clues as to how long it will take?
03:02<jpinx-eeepc>My movee from etch to lenny took about 5 or 6 runs of aptitude to clear everything
03:02<EmleyMoor>This is one run
03:02<jpinx-eeepc>and I will not be going up to squeeze until it is stable ;)
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03:05<EmleyMoor>open - closed seems to be stuck at 2017
03:06<jpinx-eeepc>EmleyMoor: I really do not know what to suggest apart from going through the list manually
03:07<EmleyMoor>You mean I should answer "n" to "Try harder?" and then go to manual resolution?
03:07<jpinx-eeepc>oh - use the try harder first
03:07<jpinx-eeepc>I thought you had exhausted it
03:08<EmleyMoor>It wouldn't still be counting if I had
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03:09<jpinx-eeepc>patience EmleyMoor ;)
03:09<ottoshmidt>can anyone confirm whether there is a debug package for compiz in debian repos?
03:09<EmleyMoor>jpinx-eeepc: It keeps needing my input - just to answer that question
03:12<muep>antivirtel: AFAIK Grub can not boot from an LV
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03:13<antivirtel>muep can you explain me the reason, please?
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03:14<muep>antivirtel: well, the boot loader must be able to find at least linux so that it can load it to memory
03:14<muep>antivirtel: and GRUB usually also needs access to its configs
03:14<muep>which both are usually in /boot
03:14<EmleyMoor>Ooh, long pause
03:15<EmleyMoor>Difference now 2529
03:15<muep>antivirtel: but classic grub can not read an LV (it theoretically could, but someone would need to code it), so you usually want /boot to be an ordinary partition
03:15<muep>antivirtel: and with a filesystem that grub can read
03:16<antivirtel>muep if I make a real partition for /boot and the other space for LVM, it will be ok?
03:16<muep>antivirtel: yes
03:16<antivirtel>hm
03:16<EmleyMoor>Counting resumed
03:16<antivirtel>thanks muep I try it in a VBox, thanks the info
03:17<muep>antivirtel: you are welcome
03:17<antivirtel>muep and 50 MB for /boot, 3GB for system, it is enough?
03:17<muep>antivirtel: I am not very sure about that
03:18<antivirtel>me neither
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03:19<antivirtel>muep 3GB for system OR the /boot isnt so enugh ?
03:19<antivirtel>*enough
03:19<muep>antivirtel: neither
03:19<antivirtel>hmm
03:19<antivirtel>100MB/5GB?
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03:19<muep>3GB fits a debian base just fine, but you know your requirements a lot better than I do
03:20<muep>100M/5G sounds safer
03:20<antivirtel>webserver only with mysql, rtorrent
03:20<antivirtel>znc, eggdrop
03:20<antivirtel>that's all
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03:23<antivirtel>and muep what you say about crypting? is it a good choose, or an other problem in my list?
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03:30<EmleyMoor>Still counting - difference now 3041
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03:36<EmleyMoor>I just wish there was a way to estimate how long this will take
03:39<EmleyMoor>At least I have only two systems I want to lenny->squeeze
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03:40<EmleyMoor>I have one already on squeeze that will stay there until it is decommmissioned, and another on lenny that is to be replaced, hopefully before the year is out
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03:50<EmleyMoor>Over course of about 50000 new opens, closed are still 3041 less and defer and conflict unchanged in something like 200000
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03:50<EmleyMoor>Anyone around who understands this part of the process and can give me some insight?
03:57<EmleyMoor>Mainly I want to know how far this can go
03:57<ottoshmidt>when i post a reply on debian package bug report am i automatically subscribed to it or i should do it manually?
03:57<EmleyMoor>Big pause again at 262144 open - last was at exactly half that
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04:04*EmleyMoor hopes this long pause means progress
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04:07<EmleyMoor>(the dot at the end of the line is still bouncing)
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04:08<Silicium01>I updated my x-www-browser alternative to point to my executable (firefox) but how can I make gnome launch all urls in the right altrnative? It still uses epiphany
04:09<EmleyMoor>Silicium01: System > Preferences > Preferred Applications
04:10<Silicium01>EmleyMoor, thank you very much
04:10<EmleyMoor>Counting resumed. Still 3041 difference
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04:32<Silicium01>I set Firefox as the default browser in prefered applications but link on desktop still uses epiphany
04:32<Silicium01>any ideas?
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04:32<dahao>hi!
04:33<dahao>hello!
04:33<EmleyMoor>dahao: Can we help you?
04:34<dahao>no
04:34<Silicium01>EmleyMoor, I dont think it worked
04:34<EmleyMoor>Silicium01: Link on desktop?
04:34<dahao>what 's this
04:34<Silicium01>yes, like I dragged a address from firefox onto gnome desktop, it creates a shortcut
04:34<dahao>sorry
04:35<Silicium01>when i click it it opens in epiphany
04:35<EmleyMoor>Silicium01: Odd - not seen that problem
04:36<cahoot>Silicium01: no better luck with gconf-editor?
04:36<Silicium01>cahoot, not sure where and what to change
04:36<Silicium01>in gconf
04:36<Lethalman_>the preferred applications nightmare going on since Debian 1.0
04:37<Silicium01>btw guys, is there osX like launcher for linux? what's it called?
04:37<cahoot>I'd try change the behaviour of nautilus
04:37*EmleyMoor still wants some insight into the "Resolving dependencies..." business
04:37<dahao>what a from?
04:38<dahao>my e is very bed
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04:39<EmleyMoor>This doesn't seem to be making any progress
04:40<dahao>you know 中国?
04:40<EmleyMoor>I know lots, dahao, but cannot work out what you are talking about. What is your usual language?
04:40<muep>Silicium01: what is an osX like launcher?
04:41<Silicium01>muep, I mean to say when you roll over icons in your panel, so that they expand
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04:42<muep>Silicium01: hmm, no idea what I would use to get that
04:42<dahao>sure
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04:43<dahao>what time is now?
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04:44<EmleyMoor>08:44 UTC
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04:47<Silicium01>how can I find the folder of current theme icons?
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04:49<gdb>Silicium01: http://www.internetling.com/2008/03/24/linux-docks-5-mac-os-x-docks-for-ubuntu-and-other-linux-distros/ (I think Cairo Dock is the current favorite)
04:49<gdb>"dock for linux" was the google search, that's the top hit
04:49<Silicium01>thanks
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04:53<Silicium01>I cant find a dark high contrast icon set that replaces everthing
04:54<EmleyMoor>No more way to find out how long I can expect this solution-finding to take?
04:54<EmleyMoor>(there surely MUST be a maximum)
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04:55<antowen>ciao a tutti, ho bisogno di supporto per driver scheda video ati
04:55<EmleyMoor>!it
04:55<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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04:55<dahao>what are you from?
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04:56<dahao>what live?
04:56<dahao>who live
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04:59<dahao>Chinese you know
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05:01<dahao>the ubuntu edition now
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05:08<antivirtel>what is debian's default partition table type? GPT?
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05:11<mattcen>antivirtel: I think it's MS-DOS
05:12<antivirtel>:o really?
05:12<antivirtel>thanks
05:12<EmleyMoor>How many times do I have to tell this thing to try harder?
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05:13<antivirtel>mattcen and what FS for /boot mount point? ext2 or ext3 ? or what else?
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05:19<mattcen>I suspect it uses ext3, but it could also be ext2. I don't know for sure, because I partition manually.
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05:22<EmleyMoor>I am tempted to keep trying until 400000 opens... partly so that I can see if there is a long pause at 393216 - that would make the long pauses every 2^17 - thereafter I think I am going to have to temporarily jettison some packages
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05:27<antivirtel>mattcen I partition manually too, but my question was, that what may I use for it
05:28<mattcen>Ext3 always works for me ;)
05:29<antivirtel>nice, thanks
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05:47<crawler>i have a problem, and i'm open to any suggestions: if i put a dvd into the drive of my laptop, and switch to another user account the cd is not mounted and is completely inaccessible until a reboot. any ideas?
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05:48<crawler>using 10.10 by the way
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05:53<EmleyMoor>10.10? Debian doesn't have a 10.10
05:54<mattcen>crawler: Have you asked on Freenode/#ubuntu?
05:54<crawler>oh crap, i clickd the wrong server..lol too much drinking leads to misclickery :S
05:57<valdyn>mm, ubuntu using fuse for cdroms?
05:57<valdyn>funny
05:59<crawler>i doont know but maybe fuse blew a fuse
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06:00<valdyn>!fuse
06:00<dpkg>FUSE is a userspace filesystem framework, enabling mounting of various exotic filesystems like <ntfs-3g>, Samba shares, tar files, FTP sites etc. Included in the mainline Linux kernel at 2.6.14. For a FUSE filesystem list, see http://wiki.debian.org/FileSystem#FUSEFilesystem . http://apps.sf.net/mediawiki/fuse/?title=FAQ http://fuse.sf.net/ ##fuse on irc.freenode.net.
06:00<crawler>this person in #ubunut said "sounds like the cd is mounted in user space and still locked by the other in use user", great but is there a way around this lockup?
06:01<EmleyMoor>Is there a way to print off a list of my installed packages by priority?
06:01<EmleyMoor>crawler: Ask them, not us
06:01<valdyn>crawler: unmount it from the user that mounted it
06:01<valdyn>crawler: fuse is like that
06:01<valdyn>crawler: but either way i dont know if *any* linux system has a clean solution for this, probably not
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06:02<crawler>valdyn: thanks, you have great character for replying with helpful info. i'm going now because i don't think noobs are welcome here
06:02<valdyn>since you cant share that cdrom without security implications
06:02<crawler>CHEERS EVRYONE! good day to you all
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06:06<valdyn>EmleyMoor: sometimes apt-get is better in finding a decent solution with relatively few damage where a perfect solution is not possible
06:07<EmleyMoor>apt-get caused horrendous damage last time I tried this
06:07<EmleyMoor>I have been offered precisely 0 solutions so far (not 0 acceptable, 0 at all)
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06:10<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... it passed 393216 without pausing
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06:10<EmleyMoor>Still 3041 difference
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06:11<EmleyMoor>Anyway, how do I print installed packages categorised by priority?
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06:14<mattcen>EmleyMoor: What about 'aptitude versions ~i'?
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06:14<mattcen>(piped into sort or similar)
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06:15<mattcen>(hmmm, it uses 2 lines per package, not good for sorting without prior manipulation)
06:15<EmleyMoor>mattcen: No - just prints help
06:16<sambo>hi all
06:16<mattcen>EmleyMoor: What version of aptitude are you running? (I'm running 0.6.3)
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06:17<EmleyMoor>0.4.11.11
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06:18<mattcen>Hmmm, not sure what version you need...
06:18<sambo>i been using debian for while, then installed windows XD and now i can't see any partitions
06:18<sambo>both boot up fine though
06:19<sambo>+ i can access to all partitions and mount 'em and stuff
06:19<EmleyMoor>valdyn: Are you suggesting I try apt-get dist-upgrade?
06:19<mattcen>EmleyMoor: Try this: aptitude search '~i!~M' -F '%P %p' | sort
06:19<sambo>but f.e. GParted doesn't show anything
06:19<sambo>help anyone
06:19<mattcen>(That searches for installed, unmarkauto'd packages; remove the !~M if you want *all* installed packages
06:20<EmleyMoor>mattcen: Prints help only
06:20*mattcen grumbles. What version of Debian are you using?
06:20<EmleyMoor>lenny on its way to squeeze
06:20<mattcen>Etch?
06:21<mattcen>Ah yes, I see
06:21<mattcen>Aptitude in Lenny should certainly do what that command requires of it.
06:21<mattcen>OK. Start with something simple: aptitude search ~i
06:22<mattcen>Confirm that displays a list of packages
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06:23<EmleyMoor>Have taken other action now - no use trying - though I know such things have worked in the past
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06:27*mattcen mumbles something about going out of his way to help only to be told there's no use.
06:27<themill>s/aptitude versions/aptitude search/
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06:29<mattcen>themill: Apparently that doesn't work either, although I can't imagine why.
06:29<themill>I'd guess that EmleyMoor didn't spot that you changed command
06:30<mattcen>Well the change wasn't particularly subtle...
06:30<mattcen>Anyway I've stopped caring
06:32<mattcen>themill: How's your aptitude foo? I've got an odd issue involving 'aptitude keep' failing in Squeeze that I've asked a couple of times and gotten no useful answers for
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06:34<themill>mattcen: this is with squeeze's aptitude, I presume? I've not fiddled with it enough to know its foibles yet. (but never had issues with keep in lenny)
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06:35<mattcen>Yes, Squeeze. I also didn't have this issue in Lenny
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06:51<danhantao>?
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06:56<Dreamer2>Can anyone tip me on good channels for bt4 help
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07:04<mattcen>Dreamer2: http://backtrack.offensive-security.com/index.php/Talk:Howto suggestes Freenode/#remote-exploit
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07:07<Dreamer2>thx mattcen!
07:07<mattcen>Dreamer2: No problems.
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08:16<EmleyMoor>apt-get dist-upgrade has somewhat worked but has conked out on something python-related - how can I proceed?
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08:19<rpetre>start with /var/log/apt/*log to see what packages were affected by the upgrade
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08:19<dominick>Hi! I'm looking for a linux version of the spider game (popularized by microsoft as Spider Solitaire in their version)! I'm planning to convert a relative to debian, and the only thing holding me back is the spider game!
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08:21<EmleyMoor>rpetre: Er... lots - where do I begin?
08:22<rpetre>see what's python-related
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08:23<rpetre>(honest, i'm not very familiar with python land in debian, but that's what i'd do, start with a list of suspects and try to look at any open bugs)
08:24<EmleyMoor>Well, python itself - but python-apt-common is what gave the error
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08:26<EmleyMoor>I need to get this fixed
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08:26<locklace>!fix EmleyMoor
08:26*dpkg takes EmleyMoor to the vet for a "special" visit.
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08:28<EmleyMoor>python-apt-common - what's it for?
08:29<EmleyMoor>(and why has it broken my upgrade?)
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08:29<dominick>Hi! Does the debian repos for squeeze contain the game: spider?
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08:30<GhostlyDeath>If you're talking about the card game, it probably does
08:30<mattcen>dominick: gnome-games provides AisleRiot, which has many solitaire games, including one which is apparently spider solitaire
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08:31<dominick>mattcen, thanks for the help. in my quest for searching for the game I install aistleriot long back, but didn't know the single shortcut had so many games. Thanks for the help!
08:31<EmleyMoor>I am on the verge of a "nuke and pave" - which I know should be wholly unnecessary with Debian
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08:36<EmleyMoor>How can I continue my upgrade?
08:38<EmleyMoor>Just to recap, I have suffered a python-related breakage in a dist-upgrade, python-apt-common seemingly at fault, and now cannot make progress
08:39<ichdasic1>EmleyMoor: dpkg
08:39*EmleyMoor is now using that to pull some packages
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08:48<themill>EmleyMoor: you know the drill... the actual command and entire output in a pastebin is more helpful than "a python-related breakage"
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08:57<mattcen>Does anybody here run a Jabber/XMPP server? I'm trying to decide on a server to run. I've used ejabberd in the past, but don't particularly like its layout. I am trying to configure jabberd14, but its website claims all documentation is out-dated, and the changelog hasn't seen an update since 2007.
08:58<mattcen>(Well the changelog.gz in the Squeeze package at least)
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09:02<jpinx-eeepc>!jabberd14
09:02<jpinx-eeepc>,versions jabberd14
09:02<judd>Package jabberd14 on i386 -- sid: 1.6.1.1-5; squeeze: 1.6.1.1-5
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09:03<jpinx-eeepc>mattcen: it seems to only exist in squeeze and sid
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09:03<mattcen>,versions jabber
09:03<judd>Package jabber on i386 -- etch: 1.4.3-3.3; lenny: 1.4.3-3.4; sid: 1.6.1.1-5; squeeze: 1.6.1.1-5
09:03<mattcen>It was renamed
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09:04<jpinx-eeepc>mattcen: thanks
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09:04<mattcen>Though it has seen a reasonable version jump between lenny and squeeze...
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09:10<mattcen>With some searching, it looks like ejabberd may be the way to go; very active development, high XMPP compliance... but... Erlang! Urgh. The config files make my brain hurt. I just wish I could find what other people *use*.
09:12<locklace>mattcen: this list gives you an idea what people use, http://xmpp.org/services/
09:13<mattcen>Ah thanks locklace! And the winner is ejabberd :S
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09:19<jpinx-eeepc>mattcen: enjoy the config ;)
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09:22<k-man_>how do i change gnome so it does nothing when i insert a dvd, rather than launch a movie player?
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09:32<mattcen>Wow, I take it back, despite the config, it's a pretty nice package. I just connected it to my LDAP server with zero issues in under 10 minutes. It has very comprehensive documentation
09:33<EmleyMoor>I am now getting this: E: Could not perform immediate configuration on 'xulrunner-1.9.1'. Please see man 5 apt.conf under APT::Immediate-Configure for details. (2)
09:33<EmleyMoor>How do I get past that?
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09:35<cahoot>k-man: change the behaviour of volume manager in gconf-editor
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09:37<hachi>hey folks, anyone using nfs-kernel-server on squeeze?
09:38<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... any help on that APT::Immediate-Configure trouble?
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09:40<k-man_>cahoot: i cant seem to see volume manager in gconf-editor
09:41<cahoot>k-man: desktop->gnome->volume...
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09:42<k-man_>do i need to run it as root?
09:42<k-man_>there is no "volume" under gnome for me
09:42<cahoot>ok might be that I have gnome-volume-manage installed
09:43<mattcen>hachi: I think I am. Give me a sec to check.
09:43<mattcen>Yep, I am.
09:44<hachi>2.6.32 kernel and nfs-* 1.2.2?
09:44<mattcen>Yep
09:44*EmleyMoor has got going again
09:45<hachi>are you using rpcbind or portmap?
09:45<hachi>if I may ask
09:45<hachi>alternately, could I ask for dpkg -l output?
09:45<hachi>I can sorta dig through myself... I've been unable to get my nfsd to start properly since upgrading to squeeze
09:45<mattcen>hachi: That's a simpler question; I don't deal much with anything complex in nfs (yet), and am not sure about rpcbind or portmap. Give me a sec
09:46<hachi>ok
09:46<hachi>no worries, thanks :)
09:47<mattcen>hachi: You want my entire 'dpkg -l' output?
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09:47<hachi>sure, if you don't mind sharing that
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09:48<hachi>you can prune anything that might be sensitive
09:48<hachi>I just wanna compare as much of mine as possible to see what might be going wrong on my end :)
09:48<AlexMax>Okay, I've accidently overwritten /etc/network/if-up/openssh-server. How do I grab this file again?
09:48<hachi>AlexMax: easiest way may simply be to
09:48<hachi>apt-get --reinstall install openssh-server
09:49<AlexMax>Does that work with aptitude?
09:49<mattcen>http://pastebin.com/yhYXVTDY
09:49<mattcen>hachi: ^^
09:49<hachi>I think aptitude is simply
09:49<hachi>aptitude reinstall openssh-server
09:49<AlexMax>okay
09:49<mattcen>That's correct.
09:49<hachi>mattcen: thanks much
09:49<AlexMax>I had a little accident when transferring config files off of a ubuntu server
09:49<AlexMax>:P
09:50<AlexMax>meant to copy over my iptablesload/iptablessave scripts
09:50<AlexMax>had the wrong directory
09:50<mattcen>I don't know if it'll help you, but good luck. This is basically a fresh install of Squeeze (as of a week or two ago), and I set up NFS last weekend and it Just Worked.
09:52<hachi>thanks... I've been sorta digging at every layer... dumping network frames, reading every last thing I can find that isn't people simply saying 'doesn't work haaalp' to see if any of my symptoms line up :)
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09:52<hachi>reading nfsd source
09:52<hachi>hoping that I can get my nfsd back up somehow here :D
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09:56<AlexMax>mattcen: I just tried it
09:57<AlexMax>It did not install that file
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09:58<cahoot>!confmiss
09:58<dpkg>The reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>.
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09:59<AlexMax>cahoot: Oh wow
09:59<AlexMax>I've wanted to do that for years
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10:05<morruth>anybody contacted Kiwamu Okabe?
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10:34<bulobulo>olá
10:34<bulobulo>necessito de auxilio no leny
10:34<bulobulo>lenny
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10:35<bulobulo>e talvez no IRC
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10:35<bulobulo>há anos não uso a ferramenta
10:35<locklace>!ubuntu-es bulobulo
10:35<dpkg>bulobulo: Ubuntu esta basado en Debian, pero no es Debian, y dificilmente tendra los estandares de Debian. Solo Debian es soportado en #debian. Por favor conectese a #ubuntu-es en irc.freenode.net Ahi recibira mas soporte.
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10:35<cahoot>!br
10:35<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
10:36<bulobulo>grato
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11:07<qq->how can i know what "Ctrl+Alt+F4" perform in background ? i meant using a custom kernel that command act 'strange/different' as debian kernel , and i like to see why
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11:26<mihkel>Hi. why I see iptables log when I enter dmesg into command line
11:27<mihkel>I have a rsyslog rule that says all iptables rules should go into /var/log/iptables.log
11:28<mihkel>This rule looks like this: http://pastebin.com/VEMr8rWP
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11:50<slush>mihkel: how does the log entry look like
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11:57<mihkel>slush, like this http://pastebin.com/Yv4aqWng
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12:11<mjt>mihkel: are you receiving the Bug#600310 info?
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12:12<mihkel>mjt, yes. I got your mail
12:12<mjt>my?
12:12<mjt>how about the rest?
12:12<mjt>see http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=600310
12:12<mihkel>nothig more
12:13<mjt>they just uploaded a new version of cron package
12:13<mihkel>fixed already... sweet
12:13<mjt>and cron package maintainer asked to verify if it fixed the issue
12:13<mjt>i probably can do that myself
12:14<mjt>see http://incoming.debian.org/ -- the cron_3.0pl1-115 packages
12:15<mjt>(no package for amd64 yet, will be built soon)
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12:18<mihkel>mjt, just installed the new cron. works like a champ
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12:20<mjt>can you reply to 600310@bugs.debian.org confirming the issue is fixed?
12:20<mihkel>ofcourse
12:20<mjt>afk, i have to run now. thanks!
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12:22<bja>!pie locklace
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12:25<dpkg>DONE:#600310:S[cron] cron uses regexps that return wrong results depending on locale (l10n); Fri, 15 Oct 2010 21:51:01 UTC []
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13:21<EmleyMoor>My system has forgotten about two of my RAID arrays - how do I reassemble them?
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13:34<felixs>EmleyMoor: linuxwiki.com/mdadm might help
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13:37<sxp>hi, my wi-fi card doesn't work
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13:37<EmleyMoor>Think I have it now - won't know for sure until the next reboot but it's not a mission-critical fs
13:37<sxp>I have installed wicd
13:38<sxp>another thing... when I do iwconfig this is the output: lo no wireless extensions.
13:38<sxp>eth0 no wireless extensions.
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13:39<jordanm>sxp: what is the output of "uname -r"?
13:39<sxp>It should shows to me the wi-fi card, right?
13:39<jordanm>sxp: you joined a different debian channel this time btw
13:39<sxp>2.6.26-2-686
13:39<jpinx-eeepc>heh
13:39<jordanm>sxp: not if its down, no
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13:39<jordanm>sxp: it seems the backports kernel didn't install
13:40<sxp>maybe
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13:41<sxp>Do I Have this kind of troubles if I install Debian Etch?
13:41<sxp>to detect my wi-fi card
13:41<jordanm>sxp: either that or you manually selected not to boot it. can you pastebin "apt-cache policy"
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13:43<sxp>jordanm, http://www.pastebin.org/239334
13:43<jordanm>yes, because debian etch is even older, and you need newer
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13:44<jordanm>sxp: paste the output of: aptitude -t lenny-backports install linux-image-2.6-$(uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,') firmware-ralink wireless-tools
13:45<EmleyMoor>Re the query about spider earlier - the old "spider" package is obsolete... but yes, AisleRiot has it
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13:56<sxp>jordanm, http://www.pastebin.org/239668
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13:57<jiq>hi everyone
13:57<sxp>while installing those packets the I have seen two warn screens
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13:58<sxp>one of then about a problem with the firmware
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14:00<jiq>while upgrading some packages of a squeeze installation, i get warnings that the public keys of debian's repositories could not be found
14:00<jiq>debian-archive-keyring is installed though
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14:13<jordanm>sxp: that looks good. reboot again, and should be good
14:14<jordanm>sxp: it seems I gave you the wrong command earlier for installing the kernel, or you copied it wrong. either way, appears to be good now
14:15<heffay>im having a werid problem with my audio on a fresh lenny install. my desktop is kde4.4 and ive installed alsa-utils and for some reason kmix wont indentify my hardware/channels
14:16<jordanm>heffay: lenny doesn't have kde4.4
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14:17<heffay>im sorry i mean squeeze
14:18<EmleyMoor>I'm now on squeeze and am having trouble getting horde working - I have just cleared it out and replaced it, but don't get any way to configure it... text appearing in the web browser is at http://paste.debian.net/96784/
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14:18<jordanm>!tell heffay about alsa checklist
14:19<jordanm>,versions horde
14:19<judd>Sorry, no package named 'horde' was found in i386.
14:19<EmleyMoor>horde3
14:19<jordanm>,versions horde3
14:19<judd>Package horde3 on i386 -- etch: 3.1.3-4etch7; etch-security: 3.1.3-4etch7; lenny: 3.2.2+debian0-2+lenny2; lenny-security: 3.2.2+debian0-2+lenny2; sid: 3.3.8+debian0-1; squeeze: 3.3.8+debian0-1
14:19<jhutchins_lt>It's just PHP, and updated too often to use the packaged version.
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14:20<jordanm>yeah, well, my guess was going to be it was upstream stuff not supporting php 5.3. not the case
14:21<jhutchins_lt>Not too bad, they're on 3.3.9
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14:21<heffay>looks like i have snd_mixer_oss loaded. should i unload that one?
14:21<EmleyMoor>Are you advising me to try upstreamL
14:21<EmleyMoor>?
14:22<sxp>jordanm, I think now it is ok
14:22<jordanm>EmleyMoor: #572265
14:22<jordanm>no
14:22<sxp>wlan0 Ralink STA ESSID:"" Nickname:""
14:22<sxp> Mode:Auto Frequency=2.412 GHz
14:22<sxp> Link Quality=10/100 Signal level:0 dBm Noise level:-143 dBm
14:22<sxp> Rx invalid nwid:0 Rx invalid crypt:0 Rx invalid frag:0
14:22<sxp> Tx excessive retries:0 Invalid misc:0 Missed beacon:0
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14:23<EmleyMoor>jordanm: That a bug number?
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14:25<EmleyMoor>jordanm: Hmmm... php-log 1.12.0-1 already installed here
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14:27<jordanm>EmleyMoor: well, you can reopen the bug and comment on it still not working properly.
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14:32<BarackO>how do I know if my machine has MSI and/or MSI-X interrupts?
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14:33<mase>are there some that have not?
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14:33<BarackO>mase: that is my interpretation - but I can't tell if they only exist on PCIe or PCI-X
14:34<BarackO>or they exist on old PCI v2.2
14:34<BarackO>just confused to be honest
14:35<mase>due to wikipedia they are defined since pci 2.2
14:35<BarackO>ok.
14:35<mase>(msi-x since pci 3.0)
14:36<BarackO>does anyone know if a command like lshal or lspci should demonstrate their availability on your system?
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14:37<mase>BarackO http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=blob;f=Documentation/PCI/MSI-HOWTO.txt;hb=HEAD
14:37<amphi>BarackO: try lspci -v | grep MSI
14:37<mase>says lspci -v should tell you some info about devices using them
14:37<mase>argh
14:37<amphi>if you see anything, you can look at the whole output of lspci -v
14:38<BarackO>amphi - I have done and can't see any reference - but I want to know if that is because they don't exist on my system?
14:39<mase>i don't have any output (grep MSI) too, without having any problems on my system
14:40<BarackO>ok thx mase
14:40<mase>BarackO but my server as one, same kernel
14:41<BarackO>mase: same kernel but different h/w?
14:41<mase>BarackO there its my ethernet controller
14:41<mase>BarackO yep
14:41<BarackO>mase: ok
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14:42<mase>BarackO so it seems to me only a few hardware devices are using MSI
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14:42<BarackO>mase: aye that would seem to be the case
14:42<BarackO>mase: I will leave it enabled in my kernel
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15:00<EmleyMoor>Is there anything that acts as a maildir monitor nowL
15:00<EmleyMoor>?
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15:07<EmleyMoor>Failing that, what's a good MUA that works with local maildir?
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15:08<mjt>maildir monitor? inotify? :)
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15:09<EmleyMoor>Of course, i'd really like horde back but that's not an option at present
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15:11<jordanm>EmleyMoor: did you comment/reopen the bug?
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15:12<EmleyMoor>jordanm: I commented
15:13<jordanm>alright, thanks :)
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15:17<sxp>Hi, I'm using wicd and I can't see my wireless network
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15:18<sxp>I can see only the wired network
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15:24<NOMADICUS>Hello, I am trying to understand how $PATH is managed. How do I view what is in the path, how do I edit it, and what files are used to maintain it?
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15:25<NOMADICUS>I have looked at .bashrc and .profile and read some tutorials, but I am not totally understanding what how it works.
15:25<NOMADICUS>I have also been reading about .bash_aliases, I somewhat understand what this is for.
15:25<locklace>NOMADICUS: http://tldp.org/LDP/intro-linux/html/sect_07_02.html
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15:35<NOMADICUS>locklace: This is a great resource, thanks!
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15:38<TomassoSK>:)
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15:40<TomassoSK>Haloo
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15:46<EmleyMoor>Why is libjsw not in squeeze?
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15:47<rudi_s>!why is libjsw not in testing
15:47<dpkg>libjsw is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=libjsw
15:48<rudi_s>EmleyMoor: ^
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15:49<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... removed from unstable?
15:49<gsimmons>dpkg: dbugs 575040
15:49<dpkg>DONE:#575040:N[ftp.debian.org] RM: libjsw -- RoQA; obsolete, orphaned (); Mon, 22 Mar 2010 23:18:01 UTC []
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16:14<EmleyMoor>Can't get jscalibrator compiled now... looks like it's missing gtk-config
16:15<EmleyMoor>Ah... libgtk1.2-dev - not in squeeze
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17:30<Zborg>what is the fastest way to convert a bunch of 8/16 bit bmp files to 24 bit bmp?
17:30<jordanm>convert from imagemagick maybe
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17:33<pipe>perhaps: mogrify *.bmp -type TrueColor
17:33<pipe>But I haven't tried it
17:34<pipe>would replace your originals too
17:35<tom4golf>exit
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17:40<Zborg>nope, still 8 bit
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17:43<cthuluh>I don't know anything about computer image processing, but if your files are encoded using 8 bits to represent data chunks, would converting them to 24 bits give you any advantage?
17:44<Zborg>because using 8 bit images with this hardware viewer will not work
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17:44<cthuluh>oh, ok :)
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17:46<Zborg>and I guess adding 8 bit decoding would increase the cost by a tenth of a cent so they don't do it
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17:49<big-boss>wa
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17:51<Zborg>oh, any news on squeeze?
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17:52<pipe>the upcoming squeeze release
17:52<Zborg>yes
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17:56<jordanm>!wwsr
17:56<dpkg>Squeeze is now frozen and will release <WIR>, <SIYH>, perhaps by Christmas 2010 if you help ... http://lists.debian.org/20101005202925.GU4622@halon.org.uk. See http://lists.debian.org/20100806134418.GC9183@halon.org.uk and http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100806 . Ask me about <squeeze bet>, <guess the release date>.
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21:00<herman>any help on cron here?
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21:02<herman>have a cron like: ls > ls.txt, manualy as root np, from cron cannot create file (access denied orso)
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21:04<herman>nobody?
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21:05<jordanm>herman: use full paths in cron
21:06<herman>i do, don't work
21:06<jordanm>also, I don't know what you plan to do with that, but you shouldn't attempt to parse the output of ls
21:06<herman>actually it is a grep from a logfile > log.txt
21:07<herman>i filter out ip-adresses that I know, giving me a list of unkown ip-adresses
21:07<herman>cron created from root
21:07<jordanm>herman: what trying to get help you should always say *exactly* what you are doing, providing the full command and the full output
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21:07<jordanm>!ask
21:07<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
21:08<jordanm>s/what/when/
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21:09<herman>how do I copy/paste from putty? :-)
21:09<herman>never found that out
21:09<jordanm>highlighting copies, right click pastes
21:09<jordanm>its a big pile of fail
21:10<herman>does not work
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21:10<herman>anyway: grep "blah" fullpath/file.log > fullpath log.txt
21:11<herman>anyway: grep "blah" fullpath/file.log > fullpath/log.txt
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21:11<herman>cron cannot create log.txt, where ever I put it
21:11<jordanm>herman: thats not a full path. thats a relative path. an absolute path (full path), always starts with "/"
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21:12<herman>:-) ok, its /fullpath/l
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21:12<herman>:-) ok, its /fullpath/file.log > /fullpath/log.txt
21:12<herman>sorry for leaving that out
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21:13<jordanm>herman: pastebinit /var/spool/cron/crontabs/root
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21:14<jordanm>herman: so root is recieving email saying permission denied?
21:14<herman>yes
21:14<jordanm>alright, pastebin that file
21:14<herman> /var/spool/cron/crontabs/root does not exist
21:15<jordanm>then root has no crontabs
21:15<jordanm>how are you trying to create it?
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21:16<herman>uh,all other crons are working and I put my cronjob in an existing one, wich does work but calling script.sh does not
21:16<jordanm>sigh
21:16<herman>work
21:16<herman>sorry
21:17<herman>not a complete nobe, but cron is somewhat killing me
21:17<jordanm>herman: can you please stop being so vague. what crontab? where was the file? did you type "crontab -e"? where does script.sh come in to play here?
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21:17<jordanm>!noob
21:17<dpkg>Dear visitor, please don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. Please don't bother telling us you're not a "newb", "noob" or "n00b" either. We can tell that too, you probably are, if you have to say you are not.
21:18<herman>I have a file in cron.daily that calls some scripts. That all works and I insterted a call to my sh in that file. Does not work, giving errors with file creation permissions
21:19<herman>cron.d actually
21:20<jordanm>herman: those are system contabs, not root's
21:20<herman>there is a problem with permissions, but I don't see it
21:20<jordanm>herman: pastebin the file
21:22<herman>hmm, found an error in the format .. have to wait 9 minutes now. That was very stupid.
21:22<herman>Sorry to have bothered you
21:23<jordanm>not a problem. in the future, give more details and *exacts*. it helps us help you
21:23<herman>the schedule was somewhat wrong
21:23<jordanm>and a side note..
21:23<jordanm>!.sh
21:23<dpkg>Don't use extensions for your scripts. Executables shouldn't have extensions. Just like you run 'ls' instead of 'ls.elf', you should run 'myscript' or './myscript', not 'myscript.sh'.
21:23<herman>the problem with that is that I cannot copy something out of the putty window and paste it here
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21:25<jordanm>!pastebinit
21:25<dpkg>[pastebinit] a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>; convenient if you don't have a graphical interface. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit".
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21:28<Shadowlee>buen dia, quisiera saber como puedo eliminar un usuario de un grupo.
21:29<streuner_>!es
21:29<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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21:30<herman>works .. stupid error
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21:30<jordanm>Shadowlee: usermod
21:30<herman>thanks anyway
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21:39<Shadowlee>How to remove a "user B" of the group of a "user A"? without changing the "user A or B", the "user b" has no group.
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21:41<jordanm>Shadowlee: gpasswd -d userb usera
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21:46<Shadowlee>jordanm: thanks, works perfect
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21:55<jordanm>Shadowlee: anytime
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23:08<hachi>can I get debian to ignore volumes when scanning for grub boobable partitions?
23:08<hachi>...
23:08<hachi>bootable
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23:18<qq->he didn't scan nothing
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