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---Logopened Wed Oct 20 00:00:05 2010
---Daychanged Wed Oct 20 2010
00:00<edbian>jordanm, Thanks
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00:00<edbian>My boot time is already great in squeeze
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00:01<jordanm>even better for wheezy if they move to systemd
00:01<jordanm>like.. considerably faster (atleast visably to the user)
00:02<edbian>How can I turn compiz off? metacity --replace& strangely did nothing.
00:04<tash>edbian install fusion-icon ;)
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00:06<jordanm>edbian: that should be it
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00:14<edbian>My browser is generally unresponsive. It feels like it's running on very old hardware. Flash works but is so slow and choppy it is unusable. When pages are loading the rest of the gui is unresponsive. Scrolling is choppy at best especially on complicated pages. I would think this is normal except that if I run any other disro from a live CD everything in the browser is smooth as glass. Any ideas?
00:14<anne_nadieya>gt
00:15<anne_nadieya>io
00:15<anne_nadieya>p
00:15<edbian>I have a radeon 9550 running the radeon driver if it matters. This was a problem on lenny but it got worse in squeeze.
00:15<anne_nadieya>i
00:15<edbian>anne_nadieya, Please stop that.
00:15<anne_nadieya>why
00:16<edbian>You're just typing gibberish?
00:16<tash>edbian flash or Gnash ?
00:16<edbian>tash, I'm using adobe flash but gnash is the same way (or the video doesn't load at all)
00:17<edbian>Playing a flash video in vlc is perfect.
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00:17<edbian>I've also tried chromium, swiftfox, and epiphany in addition to iceweasel. They all have the same problem. (some slightly worse than others)
00:17<kelvin>franki^: thanks what i want to do is try a KDE distro. I tried kubuntu but the computer became real slow. distrowatch l.ist debian as gnome by default
00:17<tash>edbian wich browser?
00:18<edbian>tash, I just listed them ^
00:18<edbian>kelvin, Just install KDE in Debian
00:18<anne_nadieya>hai
00:18<anne_nadieya>hi
00:19<franki^>kelvin: As far as I understand it, KDE is just as supported in Debian as Gnome is. But there are many other distros that "prefer" KDE, if that's what you want.
00:20<edbian>kelvin, openSuse handles KDE well I think
00:20<kelvin>franki^: right
00:20<franki^>kelvin: Also, if your computer isn't powerful enough to run KDE then it doesn't matter which distro you use.
00:20<kelvin>kde uses mjore resources than gnomje
00:21<franki^>Possibly, I'm not an expert, I don;t use either.
00:21<edbian>Nobody has any ideas for me?
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01:18<solidrock>hi guys
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01:19<solidrock>question i've already installed debian5 minimal cd what is the sources list of debian 5 minimal cd
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01:20<solidrock>i need to install samba, ftp,etc.. i can't get it to work
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01:23<cahoot>solidrock: take a look at /etc/apt/sources.list
01:23<solidrock>i know
01:23<solidrock>i mean the contain of sources.list
01:23<jm_>!sources.list
01:23<dpkg>The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian lenny main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <lenny security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
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01:24<jm_>also try reading the man page
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01:25<solidrock>tnx dpkg. i just need the sources
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01:27<solidrock>aptitude or apt-get ?
01:28<cahoot>either
01:28<mAniAk-_>apti
01:30<solidrock>so i should go with aptitude in installing package?
01:31<mAniAk-_>yes
01:31<solidrock>hmm.sounds that it is much pretty also when it comes to handling dependencies
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03:40<rpetre>not sure if anybody else reported it, but Mirc- is a spambot
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03:44<devnullcat>Hello, I'm having a problem with the screen remaining black (backlight on) after suspend/resume on Squeeze - ONLY when the lockscreen is set to come up after afterwards (graphics is Intel 945GM) - can anyone suggest any way to debug this or what package I should suspect to be the problem?
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04:00<rpetre>dondelelcaro: thanks
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04:01<dondelelcaro>rpetre: np
04:01<soloflyer>hey dondelelcaro
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04:30<vook>I'm embarrassed to say that I have been unable to boot into my debian for several weeks - I'm stuck in MacOS. When I boot to refit, and then to linux, it stalls (no operating system). I've booted to live cd, chrooted, and tried to reinstall grub, but grub says '/dev/sda does not look like an EFI partition.' Currently linux root is sda3 (usr, var, home; 5,6,7). HFS, sda2 - FAT16 (efi) sda1. Any ideas how to make this again bootable ?
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05:00<simonrvn>vook: tried holding down option to choose a boot device? (right after the boing, hold the key)
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05:03<alumno>hi!
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05:04<alumno>hi
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05:10<alumno>stupids
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05:29<neocortex>Hello! Anyone uses HP LaserJet 1020 with Debian?
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05:52<utilisateur>jose
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05:52<utilisateur>jose
05:52<utilisateur>jose
05:52<utilisateur>jose
05:52<utilisateur>salut
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05:53<utilisateur>coment tu va
05:53<utilisateur>ok,
05:53<themill>utilisateur: /server irc.freenode.net ; /join #ubuntu-fr
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05:53<utilisateur>c lol
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05:54<r0ger>is there a way to manage two servers so that packages installed on one get installed on the other?
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05:54<r0ger>or at least compare a list of differences between the two?
05:54<r0ger>i'd like to have a test box and production box with pretty much the same specs
05:54<jm_>r0ger: yes
05:55<r0ger>jm_: any suggestion on the best way to go about that?
05:56<jm_>r0ger: if you want a full blown solution look at fai, for manual intervention, try this:
05:56<jm_>!debian clone
05:56<dpkg>One method of cloning Debian installs is to take a current Debian machine that is set up with the packages you want and run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". Also ask me about <aptitude clone>, <reinstall>, <things to backup>.
05:56<r0ger>okay i'll look at fai first ty
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07:12<hachi>hey folks, anyone know where the d-i channel is? I could swear it used to exist, but I can't find it now
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07:18<petemc>!d-i
07:18<dpkg>5.0 lenny is now the "stable" Debian release (Feb 14, 2009). See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ . If you want to make custom install CDs, start with d-i. IRC: #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net. See also <errata>, <g-i>.
07:19<hachi>thanks
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07:44<werber>http://www.china.spmgame.com/partner.php?ID=267222
07:44<werber>http://www.china.spmgame.com/partner.php?ID=267222
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07:46<hachi>do any of you folks know how to get the debian installer to not install a kernel?
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07:53<cthuluh>hachi: why would you want to do this?
07:54<muep>someone might use a custom kernel
07:55<hachi>installing under old xen, non-hvm
07:55<hachi>so the kernel is outside
07:55<cthuluh>aren't there debian images for this type of use?
07:55<jm_>or debootstrap
07:56<cthuluh>muep: one could install it at the end of the installation process
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07:56<hachi>cthuluh: I'm using the image for this type of use
07:56<hachi>sadly the installer has decided to install a kernel, and grub for me
07:56<hachi>both of which aren't going to do anything
07:57<cthuluh>see what jm_ wrote
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07:57<muep>well, does it really do harm that there is an unused kernel + grub in there?
07:57<hachi>I haven't been able to get debootstrap to preseed
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07:58<hachi>maybe there's an equivalent name, but I haven't found it
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08:03<NerdKitten>$ gksu -u <Username> firefox Error: cannot open display: :0.1
08:03<NerdKitten>I don't know what else I need to do to make that work.
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08:05<musekinin> Anyone experience with extending a software raid (mdadm --grow ...) ?
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08:06<luser>Help! I can't change my password on my NIS-networked machines: passwd: User not known to the underlying authentication module
08:07<luser>I'm running debian stable, and the clients and servers are up-to-date
08:08<cthuluh>perhaps do you need ypasswd?
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08:08<Xeross>Can someone pass me the link again to building source packages of a newer distro in lenny?
08:08<cthuluh>!tell Xeross -about backports
08:09<luser>cthuluh: you might be onto something - yppasswd: yppasswdd not running on NIS master host ("...
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08:09<jm_>!tell Xeross -about ssd
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08:09<jm_>uff I meant ssb
08:09<Xeross>!tell Xeross -about ssb
08:09<jm_>sorry :)
08:09<Xeross>np
08:10<cthuluh>Xeross: the point is that you should first see if the backports don't contain the desired package
08:10<Xeross>doing that now
08:10<Xeross>I think my gcc is outdated for a lib I am trying to use
08:10<jm_>sounds unlikely
08:10<luser>cthuluh - the server only seems to have 'ypserv' running, not 'yppasswd'
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08:11<Xeross>jm_: I keep getting errors with certain things not being in the std namespace
08:11<Xeross>jm_: Possibly missing includes but wouldn't the maintainers have fixed that
08:12<cthuluh>luser: sorry but I can't help you on NIS
08:12<jm_>Xeross: that changes with versions - so if it's built with older version they don't need it for example
08:12<cthuluh>Xeross: perhaps do you lack some library headers?
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08:12<Xeross>cthuluh: I lack some C++ standard headers ?
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08:13<luser>cthuluh: np - I've got another thing to investigate now
08:13<cthuluh>Xeross: well, standard library headers shouldn't change often
08:15<Xeross>ill just try the backports version
08:15<Xeross>cthuluh: Perhaps it was some kind of bug in GCC I dunno
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08:15<cthuluh>Xeross: or rather in g++...
08:15<Xeross>cthuluh: My bad g++
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08:16<cthuluh>Xeross: anyway, you didn't say which software you are trying to build
08:17<mattcen>Can somebody please tell me the name of that command that allows selection of which roles a system can have? E.g, Desktop, Laptop, Standard,
08:17<Xeross>cthuluh: Ah yes, soci C++ library, seems its mysql part has problems with the std namespace missing some stuff
08:17<mattcen>... SSH server, Web server, etc.
08:17<cthuluh>mattcen: taskset
08:17<jm_>tasksel
08:17<jm_>so somebody can
08:17<mattcen>Ah tasksel! Thanks cthuluh. I can never remember it!
08:17<Xeross>cthuluh: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/277940/
08:17<mattcen>Thanks jm_
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08:18<cthuluh>erf, sorry, tasksel*
08:18<luser>cthuluh - bingo! found typo in etd/default/nis that was preventing yppasswd from starting. many thanks!
08:19<cthuluh>nice
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08:20<NerdKitten>I'm looking for any way to run two instances of iceweasel in the same x server while keeping them completely unaware of each other. gksu -u <Username> firefox returns Error: cannot open display: :0.1
08:20<cthuluh>Xeross: are those strange chars (â) in your pastebin supposed to be here?
08:21<jm_>NerdKitten: use sux, but don't run it as root
08:22<NerdKitten>jm_: thanks, I'm checking it out now
08:23<Xeross>cthuluh: That's just a misconfiguration in my ssh client normally they're "
08:23<hachi>when you boot via an initramfs... can you ask the boot scripts to not unmount the initramfs?
08:23<hachi>I'd like to leave it mounted
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08:27<Xeross>cthuluh: I am manually googling all headers that are needed seems that does the trick
08:27<NerdKitten>jm_: It worked. Thanks!
08:27<jm_>NerdKitten: no worries
08:28<jm_>Xeross: yes, just make sure to include everything needed and it should solve all your problems - that should also work with older compilers etc.
08:28<Xeross>jm_: Just find it weird that the library maintainers haven't picked this up themselves
08:29<Lynnthear>Hi, I want to know where the file '/usr/share/mime/magic' comes from on lenny(upgraded from etch). apt-file does not know and it's not shared-mime-magic. Is it part of the base install? Alternatively, can I just replace it with a different version or will that cause issues?
08:29<jm_>Xeross: are you sure they haven't changed it in newer versions of the package?
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08:29<Xeross>jm_: This is the newest stable version
08:30<jm_>Xeross: and it fails to build with compilers from stable? are you sure it's being used by the same version as used by debian?
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08:30<Xeross>jm_: I don't know, it does compile on ubuntu if I recall correctly
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08:31<jm_>Xeross: ubuntu is likely to use a different version nowadays
08:32<Xeross>jm_: I think so too, so that would lead to the conclusion the library requires a newer g++ unless you modify it yourself
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08:34<jm_>Lynnthear: update-mime-database
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08:35<jm_>Xeross: I would put it differently - you need to fix source code to be built with it ;)
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08:38<Lynnthear>update-mime-database /usr/share/mime does not modify /usr/share/mime/magic
08:39<jm_>heh because it's built from the same source
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08:57<MrCPlusPlus>Hi guys, how can I make a debian package add entries to the gnome applications menu?
08:58<MrCPlusPlus>Been googling like a dog, but all I can find is old outdated docs..
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09:02<jn>a menu file inside debian/ should do it
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09:02<jn>but i don't know the exact syntax
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09:04<jn>MrCPlusPlus: gedit should be a good example
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09:06<MrCPlusPlus>jn: i tried looking at a brand new package from opera. It didn't contain /usr/share/menu/ at all
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09:06<MrCPlusPlus>jn: still it adds stuff to the applications menu..
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09:07<MrCPlusPlus>Is there a function like apt-get deb package to get .deb files?
09:08<mAniAk-_>wget
09:08<ansgar>MrCPlusPlus: aptitude download
09:08<MrCPlusPlus>thanks
09:08<jn>MrCPlusPlus: yes just do apt-get source <package> in your home dir.
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09:09<jn>MrCPlusPlus: oh, sorry, i got got confused, with apt-get source you get the source package
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09:10<MrCPlusPlus>jn: np :) I use apt-get source all the time
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09:23<Silicium01>Guys, if a laptop has hdmi port, will it be able to produce 1900 x 1080 ?
09:24<petemc>depends on the card driving the port
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09:25<Silicium01>petemc, I'm having so much trouble buying a laptop.
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09:26<Silicium01>petemc, maybe you could recommend something? this is what I want it to be able to do: http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/63625-35-please-advice-laptop-canada
09:27<petemc>'fraid not
09:28<Silicium01>ok no problem :)
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09:55<Fuckup>#Linux
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09:56<Fuckup>Hey, mal ne Frage.... wie kann ich eine Wordlist erstellen die nur aus 16 Stelligen zahlen besteht...
09:56<Fuckup>?
09:57<cthuluh>!de
09:57<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
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10:17<MrCPlusPlus>jn: desktop files .desktop.. that was the solution..
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10:39<ryan_>hello?
10:39<ryan_>anybody see me?
10:39<tarzeau>yes i can see you
10:40<tarzeau>would you mind dressing up please
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10:40<ryan_>haha! this is the very first time i use IRC chat!
10:40<jn>:-)
10:40<tarzeau>ryan_: can you lower your camera please?
10:40<ryan_>how to dressing up? can you tell ME?
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10:40<tarzeau>just kidding... congratulations for your 1st time irc
10:40<tarzeau>it's older than the web, btw
10:41<ryan_>thank you !
10:41<ryan_>yes, i konw
10:41<tarzeau>ryan_: doesn't china censor irc?
10:42<ryan_>i don't konw,
10:42<jn>ryan_: are you from china?
10:42<ryan_>yup
10:42<ryan_>i am from China,and you?
10:43<ryan_>where are you from?
10:43<jn>ryan_: you're connected to a german server :-)
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10:43<jn>me germany
10:43<ryan_>:)
10:43<ryan_>okay
10:43<tarzeau>switzerland
10:43<tarzeau>ryan_: where in china, it's so big?
10:43<ryan_>how did you know that i was from China?
10:43*OdyX innocently speaks about the Peace Nobel Price.
10:44<tarzeau>ryan_: and do you have photos of the place you are, do you know flickr? they have flickr in china too?
10:44<ryan_>i'm from China ,ShanDong Province
10:44<tarzeau>ryan_: i checked your ip address with whois
10:44<eagles0513875>hey guys how big are the repos to clone for my own development?
10:44<jn>tarzeau: I like the _old_ internet services
10:44<tarzeau>jn: so do i
10:44<tarzeau>jn: i've been using irc since 1995 if not earlier
10:45<jpinx-eeepc>ryan_: you're just up the road from me ;)
10:45*eagles0513875 waves to jpinx-eeepc
10:45*jpinx-eeepc ducks
10:45<ryan_>up the road^ what do you mean? i;m sorry ,i don't understand^
10:45*themill points towards #debian-offtopic
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10:46<eagles0513875>themill: my question though isnt offtopic
10:46<themill>!mirror
10:46<dpkg>hmm... debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/, see also <debmirror>, <apt-mirror>, <mirror size>.
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10:47<themill>eagles0513875: big enough that you probably just want to use a caching proxy instead
10:47<jn>themill: are dpkg and debhelper bots?
10:47<eagles0513875>lol or install squeeze on my 2tb hdd
10:47<ryan_>i never used FLICKR ,neither i know it before you told me :)
10:48<eagles0513875>themill: i technically dont want to host a mirror cuz i dont have the bandwidth i just want have a clone of the repos for my own development purposes
10:48<ryan_>bye- tarzeau! bye,everyone
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10:48<eagles0513875>is that still what i need to look at
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10:49<eagles0513875>!apt-mirror
10:49<dpkg>apt-mirror is a tool for making a local mirror of any <APT> source. To mirror multiple architectures, specify "deb-$arch ..." in /etc/apt/mirror.list; e.g. "deb-amd64 http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian testing main contrib non-free". Discussion forum: http://sf.net/projects/apt-mirror/forums/forum/197335 . http://apt-mirror.sf.net/ See also <debian mirrors>.
10:49<jpinx-eeepc>eagles0513875: why? Your repo will need to be constantly updated
10:50<themill>eagles0513875: you can just /msg dpkg
10:50<eagles0513875>jpinx-eeepc: want to dev a rather specialized distro geared towards gaming and rebranded with a new name
10:50<eagles0513875>ok themill apologies i didnt know
10:50<themill>because that's just want the world needs... another debian derivative *sigh*
10:50<jpinx-eeepc>:(
10:50<eagles0513875>themill: gearing it towards game dev and gaming
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10:51*themill wonders what that means
10:51<eagles0513875>game development
10:51<eagles0513875>and game playing
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10:52<themill>and the reason why that needs its own distro is ____.
10:52<runa_>heyas. what can I use to see the accumulated bytes r/w from disk per process?
10:52<eagles0513875>themill: so people at least game dev wise have tools geared to them instead of tons of other tools that would probably never use
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10:53*eagles0513875 wonders why people always putting my ideas down :(
10:53<OdyX>eagles0513875: how do those others tools interfere ?
10:53<OdyX>eagles0513875: we try to push your idea high, not down !
10:53<themill>eagles0513875: work to make debian better rather than making yet another derivative. If there are tools missing from debian, work to get them included
10:54<themill>eagles0513875: there's nothing wrong with having an ftp server out there that apt knows about that is full of packages you haven't installed.
10:54<OdyX>eagles0513875: contributing those tools to Debian directly will benefit the whole "Debian derivatives" ecosystem instead of just the "yet-another-understaffed-derivative"
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10:54<jpinx-eeepc>eagles0513875: if you have those skills you would be much more appreciated if you push debina higher
10:54<themill>!blend
10:54<dpkg>A Debian Pure Blend (aka Blend, formerly Custom Debian Distribution) is a subset of Debian configured to support a particular target group out-of-the-box. Not to be confused with distributions <based on Debian>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianPureBlends #debian-custom on irc.oftc.net.
10:54<eagles0513875>thing is OdyX i have had a bad experience with a certain mysql maintainer and im apprehensive to contribute if im goign to be treated like he treated me
10:55<jpinx-eeepc>eagles0513875: he's probably just insecure
10:55<OdyX>eagles0513875: there are 1000's of developers, don't make up your opinion on one.
10:56<eagles0513875>jpinx-eeepc: hes the one of the leads in the mysql team
10:56<jpinx-eeepc>eagles0513875: that means nothing if he's rude
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10:56<eagles0513875>OdyX: i guess ill contact him and see if i can help him out packaging this particular program which is needed in debian urgently
10:56<eagles0513875>as it replaces to EOL pieces of software
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10:57<OdyX>eagles0513875: I'm curious: what package ?
10:57<jpinx-eeepc>eagles0513875: who says it's "needed urgently" ?
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10:57<eagles0513875>mysql workbench replaces Mysql Admin and query browser
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10:58<themill>can we not go over this again and again?
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10:58<eagles0513875>themill jpinx-eeepc just asked what package
10:59<jpinx-eeepc>no I didn't
10:59<OdyX>eagles0513875: how is that related to your "game development" goal ?
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10:59<eagles0513875>OdyX: its not its another thing i would like to see included
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11:00<themill>eagles0513875: remember that "urgently" in the debian sense for a new piece of software means "in about two year's time" since that's when it will actually make it into a stable release.
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11:00<eagles0513875>themill: ok
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11:00<eagles0513875>tbh i prefer the dev cycle of debian over ubuntu tbh
11:01<eagles0513875>6 months is way too short and results with a rather buggy release
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11:03<n00ch>Would anyone care to assist me with some tftp woes?
11:03<mAniAk-_>maybe
11:04<n00ch>I am trying to setup a tftp server on a Debian box so that I may upload the config off of a Cisco Wireless Lan Controller
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11:07<n00ch>The server seems to be functioning properly if I hit it from 127.0.0.1, but the upload from the Cisco device always fails
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11:09<rpetre>n00ch: i remember having similar issues and were solved just by switching the tftpd
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11:10<rpetre>i think tftpd-hpa was the working one, but maybe i'm wrong
11:10<felixs>i can confirm that tftpd-hpa works (havent tried any other)
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11:19<n00ch>rpetre: what do you mean "switching the tftp"
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11:28<rpetre>n00ch: there are a few tftp daemons in debian
11:28<rpetre>atftpd, tftpd and tftpd-hpa
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11:29<rpetre>i think the -hpa one colaborates best with various devices
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11:31<n00ch>gotcha. i'll give that a try.
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12:09<enrico_>ciao
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12:27<n00ch>AHA!
12:27<n00ch>got it
12:28<n00ch>It was an issue with the Cisco
12:28<n00ch>device's shitty Web interface I guess
12:28<mAniAk->use the cli, if it has one
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12:29<n00ch>Yes that's what I did and my problem was resolved :)
12:29<n00ch>Damn web interfaces.... they suck
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12:30<jn>n00ch: yeah, I, too, rather like CLI or curses
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12:34<sherv>can anyone tell me why nat stickness doesn't work in iptables SNAT ?
12:34<BlueG>evince won't open pdfs anymore, instead it gives the error 'Unhandled MIME type: “application/octet-stream”'. Any ideas what could cause this problem?
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12:37<felixs>BlueG: pdfs are not "application/octet-stream"
12:37<felixs>BlueG: who/what has designated them as such?
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12:40<BlueG>felixs: A good question. I don't know where that information is stored.
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12:41<themill>BlueG: the output of "file" on that pdf might be instructive. ("file foo.pdf")
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12:41<n00ch>BlueG: Is this problem happening when you are trying to open directly from browser?
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12:44<sherv>ok, does anyone here knows what SNAT is and uses one? prefferably on address pool
12:45<BlueG>themill: I get PDF document, version 1.4 or 1.5 with various pdf files
12:45<jhutchins_lt>BlueG: This applies to all pdfs that are actually on your system?
12:45<BlueG>n00ch: it happens whether it is invoked from the browser, or from TexMaker, or directly from the command-line
12:46<n00ch>sherv: i have no idea what snat is...
12:46<BlueG>jhutchins_lt: I didn't try all of them, just a few
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12:46<n00ch>sherv: well i do now, i just looked it up. but no i've never used it.
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12:48<retrospectacus>sherv: snat is very common, what are you wanting to know about it
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12:48<sherv>retrospectacus: nat stickness doesn't work. for every new tcp session from same host i get new address from pool
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12:49<sherv>retrospectacus: the -j SAME option in iptables was designed to overcome it, but it isn't in there any more
12:49<sherv>retrospectacus: they say it's obsolete and plain -SNAT should work like SAME, but it doesn't
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12:51<sherv>so i wonder, is it a confirmed bug? will there be a fix? does it work already, but in some new version of kernel? i have 2.6.26.2
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12:53<retrospectacus>hmm
12:54<qq->sherv, 2.6.26.2 thats ubuntu kernel
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12:55<jhutchins_lt>,kernels
12:55<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.36-rc6-686 (2.6.36~rc6-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-26); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-25); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-23~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-25lenny1); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2)
12:55<jhutchins_lt>qq-: Standard lenny kernel.
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12:55<sherv>qq-: kernel is not a subject to linux distribution
12:56<jhutchins_lt>sherv: True, but the packaged/default binaries can be a clue.
12:56<jhutchins_lt>sherv: We get a lot of fools here who think that since they can't get answers in #*buntu they should ask here, even if the answers could break their system.
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12:57<Dankboy>/list
12:57<qq->jhutchins_lt, no lenny is 2.6.26-2 not 2.6.26.2
12:57<jhutchins_lt>Ah.
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12:57<jhutchins_lt>Subtle distinctions like that.
12:57<sherv>ok, it's 2.6.26-2, whatever
12:57<themill>(it wouldn't be an ubuntu kernel either though, handrolled or typo of . vs -)
12:57<sherv>issue is still there
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13:00<jhutchins_lt>sherv: There's not a lot of kernel level expertise available here, you might just try the .32 from backports.
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13:02<sherv>jhutchins_lt: what's ".32 from backports" ? i'm not really familiar with linux communities/slang/etc
13:02<themill>dpkg: tell sherv about bdo
13:03<jhutchins_lt>sherv: See above listing of available kernels.
13:04<sherv>ok, got it. will try my luck there. thanks
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13:22<TomassoSK>Hi all, I am looking for command when I want to run xfce-menu from command line.
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13:24<SvenL->the menu or the bar ?
13:24<TomassoSK>menu
13:24<SvenL->the bar its xfce4-panel, try "xfce4-" then press tab twice to see the complete list
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13:27<TomassoSK>I want to add xfce-menu to the docky
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13:31<Talon__>I just downloaded and installed debian 5.0.6 lenny stable, I'd like to update it further, where do I find the testing repositories?
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13:33<franki^>Talon__: You just need to replace the word "stable" with "testing" in your sources.list (Although, it's recommended to write "squeeze" rather than "testing" as otherwise it could cause some confusion with your system when Squeeze becomes stable)
13:33<franki^>!sources.list
13:33<dpkg>The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian lenny main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <lenny security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
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13:34<retrospectacus>!lenny->squeeze
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13:34<retrospectacus>dpkg, lenny->squeeze
13:34<dpkg>"aptitude install libuuid-perl", then upgrade kernel prior(!) to other packages. In /etc/apt/sources.list, remove stable-specific lines (volatile, backports), then change lenny to squeeze. "aptitude update && aptitude install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`"; reboot to 2.6.32 kernel; aptitude full-upgrade. If that fails, try "apt-get dist-upgrade". See <squeeze release notes>, <squeeze udev>, <apt-listchanges>, <testing>.
13:34<franki^>Talon__: But, their may be some other issues, you should probably look for upgrade instructions.... somehwere :P
13:35<franki^>Talon__: There .
13:35<retrospectacus>Talon__: ^^
13:35<franki^>Oops, s/their/there/
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13:36<TomassoSK>SvenL.: it was xfce4-popup-menu, thx for help
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13:45<Talon__>k, kernels done downloading.. gonna reboot n try this once its done installing, thx.
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14:03<jhutchins_lt>franki^: Be careful about telling people who don't even know how to update their sources list how to install squeeze. Talon was just looking for package updates, and squeeze is probably not a good idea for him.
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14:05<franki^>jhutchins_lt: Okay, I'll try to keep that in mind. I guess I'm so excited that I know how to answer someone's question that I don't think about whether it's actually the best thing for them to do. Heh.
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14:05<jhutchins_lt>franki^: I try to remind people that squeeze is still testing, it has some major showstoppers in it right now.
14:06-!-mode/#debian [+l 441] by debhelper
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14:06<franki^>truong: Use /join
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14:06<truong>ok
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14:07<franki^>jhutchins_lt: Yeah, you're right; if something goes wrong with his install I probably wouldn't be able to fix it, so I guess I should add more disclaimers. :)
14:07<jhutchins_lt>Reminds me, I should update my squeeze partition and see if the video problem is any better...
14:08<n00ch>Everytime I login to a certain system, i get "-bash: /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games: No such file or directory
14:08<n00ch>"
14:08<n00ch>I've been through my bash config files and can't find anywhere where i have that path specified... anyone have any ideas
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14:10<jhutchins_lt>n00ch: Do those directories exist?
14:10<jhutchins_lt>n00ch: I wonder if it's "-bash" instead of "bash" somewhere?
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14:10<retrospectacus>or $PATH got put on a line by itself
14:10<jhutchins_lt>W00T! New Intel video driver!!!
14:11<jhutchins_lt>New kernel! This could be the fix!
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14:11<tash>jhutchins_lt: just notice that too :)
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14:13<jhutchins_lt>Rebooting to test, back in a bit.
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14:17<jhutchins_lt>When I update the kernel on squeeze it doesn't find the other installations like update-grub does.
14:18<cahoot>os-prober in place?
14:19<n00ch>jhutchins_lt: I've checked in .bashrc and .profile what are the other files that define PATH?
14:20<jhutchins_lt>n00ch: There are system defaults in /etc, but I wonder if it's the shell setting in passwd that's the problem.
14:20<retrospectacus>n00ch: usually /etc/profile
14:20<n00ch>and one dir that i def know doesn't exist is /usr/bin/x11. this machine is running CLI only
14:20<jhutchins_lt>cahoot: Apparently, and update-grub finds the other two linux installations.
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14:21<jhutchins_lt>n00ch: Something to try would be to create that directory and see if that's the actual problem.
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14:21<jhutchins_lt>n00ch: That would be a cheap-and-easy fix as well.
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14:22<jhutchins_lt>Well, here goes, starting kdm...
14:22<jhutchins_lt>Well, that's different, bounced right back to console.
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14:23<n00ch>jhutchins_lt: well i created that dir, now i can cd to all of this directories, but that bash error still pops up when i SSH in
14:23<jhutchins_lt>It appears the new driver doesn't want to start without the framebuffer...
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14:26<tash>why I cant use the ",version" here ?
14:26<retrospectacus>versions
14:27<tash>,versions scm
14:27<judd>Package scm on i386 -- etch: 5e3-6; lenny: 5e5-3; sid: 5e5-3.1; squeeze: 5e5-3.1
14:27<tash>ohh
14:27<tash>so nice!
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14:27<tash>thx retrospectacus
14:27<retrospectacus>yw
14:28<jhutchins_lt>Crud, I can't remember what I did to disable the framebuffer.
14:28<n00ch>anyone know if there is a way to just rewrite all of the bash config files back to default?
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14:28<jhutchins_lt>Set something somewhere to 0 ...
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14:30<retrospectacus>jhutchins_lt: fb=false on the kernel boot line?
14:30<jhutchins_lt>retrospectacus: Don't think so.
14:31<retrospectacus>!framebuffer
14:31<dpkg>Framebuffer is a region of memory into which "frames" of graphical data are drawn. X is a framebuffer system, as is berlin. If you're looking for the framebuffer console, ask me about <fbcon>, or ask about <blacklist> to negate it. To disable framebuffer use at Debian installation time, supply the "fb=false" (d-i) or "video=vga16:off" (kernel) boot options. See also <uvesafb>.
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14:31<jhutchins_lt>!uvesafb
14:31<dpkg>uvesafb is a generic <framebuffer> driver for Linux systems, providing support for non-VESA resolutions. Included in the mainline kernel since 2.6.24. The v86d userspace helper (v86d package) is required by uvesafb, see /usr/share/doc/v86d/README.Debian after installation. http://dev.gentoo.org/~spock/projects/uvesafb/faq.php http://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/fb/uvesafb.txt
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14:32*retrospectacus shrug
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14:35<jhutchins_lt>Ah, /etc/modprobe.d/i915-kms.conf options i915 modeset=1|0
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14:36<jhutchins_lt>I could probably just modprobe it, but I think I'll reboot, need to check the grub menu.
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14:37<psj>hi all!
14:37<n00ch>hi
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14:37<n00ch>so I just deleted my /home/user/.bashrc and that got rid of my error message
14:38<n00ch>so if i want to manually add directories to my global path for all users and root, what file should i create/use?
14:38<retrospectacus>n00ch: /etc/profile
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14:38<retrospectacus>n00ch: bashrc should be there, I'd try fixing it. Pastebin?
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14:40<n00ch>retrospectacus: it was messy so I just canned it
14:40<n00ch>I don't know what pastebin is?
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14:40<retrospectacus>place online to put stuff to show us
14:40<retrospectacus>!pastebin
14:40<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <paste2pastebin.pl>, <wgetpaste>.
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14:42<n00ch>http://paste.debian.net/97370/
14:43<n00ch>retrospectacus: thanks. its posted in above link.
14:43<jhutchins_lt>Trying X again...
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14:43<jhutchins_lt>Hm.
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14:43<jhutchins_lt>Not locked up (obviously)...
14:44<retrospectacus>n00ch: line 4 - $PATH should be inside the quotes
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14:44<retrospectacus>n00ch: it is trying to *run* PATH
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14:44<jhutchins_lt>Hm, ugly, aptitude search overwrites it's results.
14:44<retrospectacus>(as I said right after you posted your error)
14:45<retrospectacus>n00ch: also I don't believe $PATH is supposed to have spaces in it
14:46<retrospectacus>that line should probably be removed altogether
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14:47<jhutchins_lt>Now it says it can't find the fbcon module...
14:47<jhutchins_lt>!fbcon
14:47<dpkg>well, fbcon is a graphics driver built into the kernel that accesses the video cards memory directly in a linear io, framebuffered X is just a way of using that kernel's framebuffer for graphics instead of the application itself having to know how the card works.. executive summary: it's hardware abstraction of the video, or slow, slow, slow... ask me about <fbcon resolution>.
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14:48<n00ch>retrospectacus: remving the line altogether definitely fixed it... thanks
14:48<n00ch>this path stuff is just confusing to me as I don't get why it needs so many different files
14:48<jhutchins_lt>n00ch: Grub2?
14:48<retrospectacus>n00ch: someone (?) was trying to add the "super" paths (sbin) to regular users' $PATH
14:49<n00ch>jhutchins_lt: i'm not referring to Grub2, although I have messed with it before.
14:49<n00ch>retrospectacus: I'm sure that someone was me haha
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14:49<n00ch>I just want to add a dir to the $PATH system wide, for all users
14:50<jhutchins_lt>n00ch: Sorry, not really following the conversation, grub2 has too many files too.
14:50<jhutchins_lt>What's the target to get dpkg to reconfigure X?
14:51<n00ch>jhutchins_lt: i agree
14:51<retrospectacus>jhutchins_lt: xserver-xorg I believe
14:51<retrospectacus>dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
14:51<qq->X -configure : 1
14:51<retrospectacus>n00ch: do it in /etc/profile
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14:57<jhutchins_lt>KDM!
14:57<n00ch>retrospectacus: sorry to be such a pain about this, but I added my path to /etc/profile and still no dice
14:57<n00ch>The path I want to add is /opt/drbl/sbin
14:58<n00ch>Which is where the server startup script for Clonezilla/DRBL lives
14:58<jhutchins_lt>n00ch: Why does it need to be on your path?
14:58<jhutchins_lt>n00ch: Needless to say you have to log out and log back in for changes to profile to take effect.
14:59<n00ch>jhutchins_lt: yep i've been trying logout and login everytime i make a change
14:59<retrospectacus>n00ch: what's $PATH now? echo $PATH
14:59<n00ch>jhutchins_lt: and it doesnt *need* to be on my path, i just want to run it by typing "dcs" instead of "/opt/drbl/sbin/dcs"
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15:00<n00ch>retrospectacus: "/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin" ... not there
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15:00<n00ch>its just an annoying thing that i can't get to work that i know i should be able to....
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15:01<n00ch>this is my current /etc/profile:
15:01<n00ch>http://paste.debian.net/97373/
15:02<jhutchins_lt>n00ch: You could alias it, you could symlink it into a directory on your path, you could create a shell script on your path that calls it explicitly...
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15:02<retrospectacus>n00ch: check also the file ~/.profile if it exists
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15:03<jhutchins_lt>Mrph. Too many options...
15:03<n00ch>retrospectacus: yes .profile exists under /home/god and /root
15:03<n00ch>(god) is my user name
15:04<retrospectacus>yeah "ln -s /opt/drbl/sbin/dcs /usr/local/sbin/dcs" would be an easy solution
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15:04<retrospectacus>n00ch: do they do anything with $PATH?
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15:05<jhutchins_lt>kmail doesn't want to start on my remote 3.5 desktop in squeeze kde 4...
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15:05<n00ch>retrospectacus: /root/profile does not, but /home/god.profile has this: PATH="$HOME/bin:$PATH"
15:05<n00ch>retrospectacus: again with improper formatting?
15:05<retrospectacus>nope that's fine and normal
15:06<jj0hnny>Hi all
15:06<n00ch>hi
15:06<jj0hnny>little bit late and it's my first time here
15:07<jj0hnny>so what's the rule?
15:07<jj0hnny>I mean what I need to know ..;
15:07<retrospectacus>n00ch: not sure why your /etc/profile thing ain't working... you can put it in /root/.profile: PATH="/opt/drbl/sbin:$PATH"
15:08<retrospectacus>jj0hnny: /topic
15:08<jhutchins_lt>retrospectacus: Not all shells read /etc/profile
15:09<retrospectacus>jerks
15:09<retrospectacus>pretentious jerks I say
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15:10<n00ch>who would have thought adding something to path would perplex my feeble brain so much
15:11<jj0hnny>ok
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15:16<jhutchins_lt>n00ch: set PATH=$path:/what/ever/it/was
15:16<n00ch>jhutchins_lt: ok that worked
15:16<n00ch>jhutchins_lt: does that do it permanently, or only for this session?
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15:17<n00ch>looks like only that session...
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15:19<n00ch>jhutchins_lt: problem with that is, now i can't run "ls"
15:20<retrospectacus>n00ch: I told you, put it in /root/.profile: PATH="/opt/drbl/sbin:$PATH"
15:20<retrospectacus>jhutchins_lt missed the CAPS - your path no longer contains /bin and all that useful places
15:21<n00ch>retrospectacus: i did that. no dice.
15:21<retrospectacus>put it in ~/.bashrc then?
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15:22<retrospectacus>sounds like your shell is ignoring "profile" stuff like he mentioned
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15:23<n00ch>retrospectacus:
15:24<n00ch>so putting it in.bashrc of both /root and /home/god did the trick
15:24<n00ch>thanks
15:24<n00ch>jhutchins_lt: thanks for your help as well
15:24<n00ch>weird how it ignored /etc/profile
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15:29<retrospectacus>glad you got it working :)
15:29<n00ch>quit
15:29<n00ch>quit
15:29<n00ch>exit
15:29<n00ch>exit
15:29<n00ch>quit
15:29<n00ch>haha sorry guys
15:29<locklace>!lose n00ch
15:29<dpkg>n00ch: You Lose.
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15:45<openrebel>hi there. severe problem with upgrade of linux-image-2.6.32-5-686 in squeeze.
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15:46<openrebel>is there sth like a pastebin chennel in here?
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15:47<muep>pastebin channel?
15:47<openrebel>jep, finding it...
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15:47<muep>you can use a web pastebin and paste the URL here if you want to show us something
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15:47<openrebel>paste.debian.net
15:47<openrebel>that's waht i meant, sry
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15:48<openrebel>one more: how can i switch the language for error messages in aptitude to english?
15:49<retrospectacus>!localized errors
15:49<dpkg>Rather than hoping that we recognise what has gone wrong from the error messages in your native language, please provide any error messages in English. You can do this by setting your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. LANG=C apt-get -f install
15:49<openrebel>thanks
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15:52<openrebel>ok, here we go: http://paste.debian.net/97374/
15:52<openrebel>i encountered that error while running a dist-upgrade
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15:52<openrebel>i'm on squeeze
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15:53<jhutchins_lt>openrebel: if you're on squeeze, dist-upgrade is deprecated.
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15:54<openrebel>oh, then i was kind of badly informed
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15:54<retrospectacus>that's not the problem though
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15:54<retrospectacus>Failed to symbolic-link boot/initrd.img-2.6.32-5-686 to initrd.img
15:54<openrebel>ok, what is it then? i'm a bit lost
15:54<openrebel>yes
15:55<openrebel>the symlink
15:55<jhutchins_lt>openrebel: Is there and initrd.img in /boot?
15:55<retrospectacus>may be a disk error or your FS does not support links?
15:55<openrebel>no there isn't
15:55<retrospectacus>check dmesg|tail ?
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15:55<openrebel>disk error...i just had a smartctl test recently. that was ok.
15:56<jhutchins_lt>openrebel: you could try creating one with ln -s /boot/initrd.img-2.6.32-5-686 /boot/initrd.img
15:56<openrebel>nothing in dmesg...
15:56<jhutchins_lt>openrebel: Is /boot it's own partition? Is the partition it's on mounted rw?
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15:56<jhutchins_lt>(One would think the generation of the file would fail if not...)
15:57<openrebel>looking things up...
15:57<openrebel>boot is an own partition
15:57<openrebel>is mounted rw
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15:58<openrebel>i'll create initrd.img manually
15:58<openrebel>and link things
15:58<retrospectacus>maybe it's full
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16:00<openrebel>there is one kernel installed
16:00<openrebel>how can i check fs usage on the terminal?
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16:01<retrospectacus>df -h
16:01<openrebel>thx
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16:01<retrospectacus>df
16:01<openrebel>36%
16:01<openrebel>ok
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16:02<openrebel>should i retry aptitude -f install after symlinking?
16:02<jhutchins_lt>openrebel: You could do that.
16:03<jhutchins_lt>Curious why it dodn't work though.
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16:03<openrebel>same error
16:04<openrebel>ok, i recently installed an rt-kernel from the pengutronix repo
16:04<openrebel>then, i wanted to uninstall the package (was a deb)
16:04<retrospectacus>openrebel: pastebin ls -la /boot for us?
16:04<openrebel>this somehow didn't work, so i removed files amnually
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16:06<openrebel>http://paste.debian.net/97375/ (ls -la /boot)
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16:06<retrospectacus>oh and ls -la / - this is where the symlinks are
16:06<retrospectacus>for me anyways...
16:07<retrospectacus>hmm
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16:07<openrebel>ls -la /: http://paste.debian.net/97376/
16:08<openrebel>when i manually removed files from the pengutronix kernel, i didn't do it the clean way with dpkg -L.
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16:09<openrebel>i just looked up where kernel files are stored in general and removed the respective ones
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16:10<retrospectacus>I think removing the broken symlinks in / will help
16:10<openrebel>righty right, i see what you mean
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16:11<openrebel>simply rm them and then aptitude -f install?
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16:11<retrospectacus>try it
16:11<openrebel>ok
16:12<retrospectacus>not sure about those ...old ones - might be should be renamed to remove that .old ext
16:12<retrospectacus>or removed
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16:13<jerryclunsford>Is there a way in command line to remove directories, subdirectories and their contained files? I assume there is a switch you add after the rmdir command.
16:13<openrebel>i simply removed the broken ones. now it works! joy!
16:13<openrebel>jerry: man rm
16:13<jerryclunsford>Thank you
16:13<openrebel>or rm -r or -R respectively
16:13<retrospectacus>openrebel: excellent
16:14<openrebel>thx
16:14<retrospectacus>np
16:14<openrebel>ok then, it has been a pleasure
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16:15<openrebel>thank you very much. good night.
16:15<retrospectacus>have a good one
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16:15<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building.
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16:17<retrospectacus>whelp I've been at work for 5.5 hours, better start on something work-related... cyall
16:19<jerryclunsford>Thanks all, Have a Nice Morning, Afternoon, Evening, or Night as the case may be.
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16:32<x_raind0w3_x>Yo >D
16:32<x_raind0w3_x>wazz3p
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16:33<x_raind0w3_x>l33t
16:33<x_raind0w3_x>wzzup
16:33<amphi>!nickometer x_raind0w3_x
16:33<dpkg>'x_raind0w3_x' is 61.000% lame, amphi
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16:33<dpkg>'amphi' is 0.000% lame, x_raind0w3_x
16:34<x_raind0w3_x>whats up
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16:37<chealer>is there a tool to track activity on a PC, that could help me know when I was on the computer yesterday? Say "the keyboard was unused for 40 minutes starting at 13:40"? I use squeeze and KDE 4.
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16:41<Sean>Sup.
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17:26<BarackO>I have 2 different kernels installed - how do install 2 different versions of firmware-linux-free at the same time?
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17:49<jp>Hi..Any chess players? I installed PyChess, but there is a more current upgraded version available on their web site- If I d/l their tar.gz or rpm version whats the best way to install so it will overwrite the current Debian version of the PyCHess program? Just gunzip -d file and tar -xvf file and that will overwrite or should the file be moved into a certain dir and untarred?
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17:54<dondelelcaro>jp: 0.10~beta3-2 is available in squeeze and unstable
17:54<dondelelcaro>jp: beta4 is the current version, so if beta3 is good enough, you can just backport it
17:55<dondelelcaro>jp: but generally speaking, you want to use the packaged versions; if you need a newer version, you can always use the upstream tarball to create a package of the newer version
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17:59<jp>thanks dondelelcaro
17:59<jp>;-)
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18:28<alien>hai
18:28<alien>is any body there
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18:29<skulltip>is the Mint RC considered gold, as in ready?
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18:30<alien>i m nex can you give me a hand
18:30<alien>i m new sorry
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18:32<alien>407 users and no one ???!!
18:33<chealer>alien: just ask your question
18:33<chealer>skulltip: what do you mean by Mint RC?
18:33<alien>ok
18:33<skulltip>linux mint 10 RC - distro
18:33<alien>then im visible , sorry im new in this stuff
18:34<alien>i have no question
18:34<alien>i just trie this
18:34<alien>where is everybody
18:34<alien>there are 408 users
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18:35<chealer>skulltip: this is a Debian support channel, ask the vendor
18:36<skulltip>mint is debian based
18:36<dondelelcaro>skulltip: lots of things are Debian based; we only support Debian here.
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18:37<tash>!mint
18:37<dpkg>Linux Mint is a distribution based on <Ubuntu>, which also has a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) available, based on <testing>. Neither is supported in #debian. Please use the support forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. See also <based on Debian>.
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18:40<retrospectacus>alien: this is a support channel. We're not here to chat.
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18:47<jhutchins_lt>Anybody know if knetworkmanager is working in squeeze?
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18:56<toad_>are there any more recent debian packages for wine? e.g. is it possible to use the ubuntu packages somehow?
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19:00<dondelelcaro>toad_: experimental has 1.1.24, and unstable has 1.0.1-3
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19:00<jhutchins_lt>,versions wine
19:00<judd>Package wine on i386 -- etch: 0.9.25-2.1; etch-backports: 1.0.0-1~bpo40+1; lenny: 1.0.1-1; sid: 1.0.1-3+b1; squeeze: 1.0.1-3+b1; experimental: 1.1.24-2
19:00<dondelelcaro>toad_: and it's certainly possible to package a newer version yourself
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19:01<jhutchins_lt>Doesn't wine have deb packages?
19:01<dondelelcaro>ISTR them being horribly broken
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19:17<k-man>is the .xinitrc file executed by a shell when x starts? it seems to have some sort of shell script syntax
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19:18<edbian> My browser is generally unresponsive. It feels like it's running on very old hardware. Flash works but is so slow and choppy and basically is unusable. When pages are loading the rest of the gui is unresponsive. Scrolling is choppy at best, especially on complicated pages. I would think this is normal except that if I run any other disro from a live CD everything in the browser is smooth as glass. Any ideas? This was a problem but it got w
19:18<edbian>orse in squeeze. Playing a flash video in VLC btw is blazing fast. Perfect playback. This is true on Chromium-browser, iceweasel, galeon, swiftfox. Some are slightly worse than others.
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19:22<Logan>llllllllllll
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19:23<Logan>oi alguem br ai
19:24<jpinx-eeepc>!br
19:24<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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19:36<edbian>Lemme try again: My foxfire works in windows but not Debian. How come?
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19:37<k-man>what is foxfire?
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19:38<tash>a browserweb ?
19:38<edbian>tash, is right
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19:40<jpinx-eeepc>edbian: empty the cache, restart it ?
19:40<edbian>Has anybody else experienced this problem? I know it's very strange but I will do just about anything to fix it. I don't wanna have to switch distros because of this. Recently I reinstalled firefox and its dependencies
19:41<jpinx-eeepc>edbian: why are you using firefox and not iceweasel?
19:41<themill>edbian: you are of course aware that firefox isn't part of debian, aren't you?
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19:42<edbian>jpinx-eeepc, empty the browser cache? (It doesn't matter if I start it right after rebooting)
19:42<edbian>I'm not running firefox, that was me trolling to get some attention :P
19:42<jpinx-eeepc>edbian: what browser are you running?
19:43<edbian>This problem persists on iceweasel, chromium, firefox, and swiftfox.
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19:43<edbian>See my first post? waaaay up there? ^
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19:44<jpinx-eeepc>edbian: which debian release?
19:45<edbian>jpinx-eeepc, Again, this is in my original post... The problem started on Lenny but it goes worse when I switched to squeeze the other day.
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19:45<edbian>s/goes/got
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19:47<edbian>Is there something (besides flash) that all of those browsers have in common? (package I mean)
19:48<edbian>Well I gotta go. Thanks for thinking about my problem if you did.
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20:31<test>hah
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20:32<jpinx-eeepc>fail
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20:44<qaz>hi
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20:59<Cadmium01>Do you guys use apt-get or aptitde, and which do you recommend?
20:59<abrotman>usually aptitude is recommended .. it has far better dependency issue resolution
21:00<Cadmium01>abrotman, Any particular sitation where one would prefer to use apt-get?
21:00<abrotman>apt-get has some functions aptitude does not .. and sometimes aptitude is too smart for its own good
21:01<Cadmium01>abrotman, btw, wold you happen to know if hdmi is well spported in linux?
21:01<Cadmium01>I'd like to replace my desktop with a laptop and connect a large screen to it
21:01<abrotman>if i had hdmi, i might :)
21:02<abrotman>i don't see why it wouldnt' be .. .it's really the video card that needs to be supported
21:02<Cadmium01>abrotman, I guess so :)
21:03<Cadmium01>I've been trying to find a suitable computer for me but having "research" issues with finding the right one
21:03<Cadmium01>most of the newer models are not listed online, and it's kind of a gamble
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21:10<qaz>hi guys ...I'm download fansub and sometimes the name is in japanese and englis...when I try to check the name the japanese is illegible...how can fix this problem?
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22:49<saleem>hi
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22:51<saleem>my system root pw is working everywhere but when i enter it into synaptic gui it asks again and again for root pw and then disappears without opening, so my root pw doesnt work on synaptic gui, and i can only run synaptic as sudo synaptic from shell, what is wrong on my system???
22:53<cesurasean>Ok, i need to start up 'dropbox start -i' when gnome launches. It seems like all my attempts to get this to start doesn't work. When I run the command from command line, the program starts fine. How do I get this to auto launch everytime i reboot the machine??
22:58<test-t>HOW DEBIAN WORK
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22:58<saleem>same issue with konqueror when i try to open it as super user, the root passwd doesnt work
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22:59<saleem>i only can open konqueror as sudo konkeror from shell
22:59<franki^>Why would you open Konqueror as a super user? :s
22:59<franki^>But, that sounds like a bug in gksudo or something
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23:00<franki^>cesurasean: Which WM/DE are you using?
23:01<franki^>cesurasean: Ah, I see Gnome...
23:01<k-man>twice in 2 days my debian box has become unresponsive
23:01<franki^>cesurasean: http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=gnome+run+command+at+login ? :P
23:01<k-man>i had to do a hard reset to get it back
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23:01<saleem_>even i have to run sudo systemsettings, root pw doesnt work there too
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23:02<saleem_>sometimes i use konqueror to access wallpapers etc, but this thing is weird that root passwd doesnt work on gui at various places
23:02<saleem_>can it be fixed franki^ ?
23:02<qq->k-man, try/ied a memtest ?
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23:02<k-man>qq-: no, might have to do that
23:02<k-man>qq-: the system has been very stable for the last couple of years
23:03<k-man>it was still running, just very slow and I couldn't wait for a root login to become responsive
23:03<franki^>saleem_: Which version of Debian and KDE are you using?
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23:03<k-man>i seem to remember reading somewhere a way of making a high priority tty so you could log in if things were going haywire
23:03<qq->k-man, it works harder ?
23:03<saleem_>franki^, debain testing, and kde3.5.12 from trinity, but same issues where there with debian`s own kde4 packages
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23:04<cesurasean>frank^, when i go to system>preferences>startup programs> it shows dropbox in there. running the command 'dropbox start -i', for some reason it doesn't start up during the boot process?
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23:05<cesurasean>yet, when i run dropbox start -i on a command line, it starts fine?
23:06<franki^>cesurasean: Sorry, no idea. I don't use Gnome, but I imagine that would be quite a serious bug that someone else would've noticed before now!
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23:14<twb>Remind me, in interfaces(5), how do you tell a ppp connection to ALWAYS be ppp0 (rather than ppp0 or ppp1 or ppp2 or...)
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23:17<gsimmons>twb: "unit 0". It's a pppd option.
23:18<twb>unit! Thanks.
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23:21<qq->changing the kernel may change the shortcuts ?
23:21<EmleyMoor>Got a system with wireless that for an unknown reason is no longer connecting - it lost the connection during the day and now keeps reprompting me for the passphrase
23:21<twb>gsimmons: it didn't work :-/
23:22<jordanm>EmleyMoor: sounds like someone changed the passphrase
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23:22<EmleyMoor>jordanm: No, no-one did
23:23<jordanm>EmleyMoor: you logged into the AP and verified?
23:23<EmleyMoor>2 other systems using same passphrase work
23:24<qq->using a custom kernel, some key combination as 'Ctrl+Alt+ F4' changed the 'behavior' as in 'stock' kernel , how may explain that ?
23:25<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... back on now
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23:25<gsimmons>twb: WFM (e.g. to force a PPTP connection at ppp1).
23:25<twb>I tried "ifdown extel internode; ifup exetel internode", and they still were the wrong way around.
23:26<twb>Then I tried "ifdown --force exetel internode; ifup internode; ifup extel" and they are the right order
23:26<twb>...but that COULD just be because I raised them synchronously.
23:27<twb>Oh well, currently my firewall rules match ppp+, so it isn't urgent.
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23:46<qq->any idea about my issue ?
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