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#debian IRC Logs for 2010-10-27

---Logopened Wed Oct 27 00:00:27 2010
00:01<jpinx-eeepc>my Toshiba T800 runs debian perfectly
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00:01<jpinx-eeepc>* T8000
00:01<Silicium01>jordanm, you mean the specs or the build?
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00:02<jordanm>Silicium01: both
00:03<Silicium01>I'm just exhausted from searching for a laptop
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00:04<jordanm>the T400 was the thinkpad I last used, and one of best laptops I have had
00:05<jpinx-eeepc>Silicium01: why new?
00:05<Silicium01>jpinx-eeepc, well, I need something powerful enough to replace my desktop
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00:05<jordanm>laptops are not desktop replacements
00:05<Silicium01>so need at least 4 g or ram and better than core2duo cpu
00:05<jpinx-eeepc>Silicium01: my eeepc replaced my desktop :)
00:06<Silicium01>jordanm, I know, but I need to do that
00:06<jordanm>plenty of people try.. but I think those people don't compile code.. or enjoy buying new laptops every couple years
00:06<jordanm>laptops take more wear and tear, and die quicker
00:06<Silicium01>jordanm, the most intensive thing I'll do is watch hd video, fullscreen flash or run eclipse for php
00:07<jordanm>all of those things are enought to do serious CPU usage
00:07<jpinx-eeepc>Silicium01: get a headless hi-spec box and sh into it from a thin client/laptop
00:07<Silicium01>jpinx-eeepc, I can tell from your nick you really like it :)
00:07<jpinx-eeepc>*ssh
00:07<jordanm>well, not so much ecplise/php
00:07<Silicium01>jpinx-eeepc, ssh into it for what/
00:07<Silicium01>?
00:08<jpinx-eeepc>Silicium01: seriously - you can afford a *really* hi-spec cpu in a headless and maybe HDD-less box, and use a laptop as the thin client
00:08<Silicium01>I need to be mobile, so what I decided is to buy a laptop, and BE mobile, at home I'll just connect it to a larger screena nd real keyboard/mouse
00:09<jpinx-eeepc>Silicium01: that's what I do - eeepc, ext widesceen and big old kbd ;)
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00:09<Silicium01>jpinx-eeepc, right
00:10<Silicium01>I just dont fully understand your ssh suggestion
00:10<Silicium01>where would the box be?
00:10<jpinx-eeepc>but you want more power, so get one of those "cpu only" bosex that accepts an ssh connection but has no kbd, screen etc outputs
00:10<acu>hey guys _ I am looking either for a way to expand the numbers of PCI (or PCIe) ports for a motherboard, or find PCIe or PCI boards with two USB controlers instead of one - can anyone give me a hint ?
00:10<jordanm>I don't get it. I have been using a laptop as a main system for the past two weeks, because I have no other choice, and I have found it misrable
00:10<jpinx-eeepc>Silicium01: you really can't compile on a laptop unless you really spend a lot on a top spec one-
00:11<Silicium01>jpinx-eeepc, I dont compile anything
00:11<jpinx-eeepc>jordanm: what laptop?
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00:11<jordanm>acu: why two controllers?
00:11<jordanm>jpinx-eeepc: its a dell D620. I got used for cheap, wouldn't recommend it. good compatibility however
00:11<qq->acu i-acu ..
00:11<jpinx-eeepc>Silicium01: ah - my bad - I thought you want to compile - go for a top spec eeepc and get mobile :)
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00:12<jordanm>jpinx-eeepc: he wants to hd video, which can be as bad
00:12<jpinx-eeepc>jordanm: yea - I was not happy with a Dell I had the use of for a while
00:12<Silicium01>jpinx-eeepc, well, I need a better resolution so eepc is out of the question
00:12<jpinx-eeepc>Silicium01: crank the resolution when you plug in the external screen
00:13<Silicium01>so when I'm out and about I need at least 1366x786 but at home I'll connect to my 1920x1080 screen
00:13<jpinx-eeepc>jordanm: you should look at toshibas laptops
00:13<Silicium01>jordanm helped me today with HP laptop I bought, I'm returning it tomorrow and gettign something else
00:13<jordanm>jpinx-eeepc: my one before was a toshiba, I thought it was crap
00:13<acu>jordan: three or more USB chipset per PCI(e) board will be even better - one controler is REALLY SLOW - you can't have two Webcams at higher resolution on a board with a single chipset
00:13<jpinx-eeepc>sheeesh - are both #debian s off-topic or what? :)
00:13<jordanm>the only laptops I have liked, were my two thinkpads
00:14<jpinx-eeepc>stinkpads are good
00:14<jordanm>jpinx-eeepc: its late.. and semi-offtopic
00:14<Silicium01>jpinx-eeepc, do you think intel HD integrated graphics is good enough for HD video on a connected 1080p screen?
00:14<jpinx-eeepc>and they run linux well
00:15<jordanm>Silicium01: there are websites that do benchmarks.. mostly in windows but it shouldn't be too much difference
00:15<jpinx-eeepc>Silicium01: nfc dude - I don't use my computer to watch stuff apart from the odd Utoob
00:15<Silicium01>ok
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00:16<jordanm>Silicium01: intel has historically the worst performing graphics chips
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00:16<jordanm>much better over the past 3-4 years though
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00:16<Silicium01>jordanm, :) yes, but they are guaranteed to work, right?
00:17<jordanm>there are a select few that have trouble with the the new KMS... older ones though I think
00:17<jordanm>jpinx-eeepc: didn't you have kms issues? or was that abrotman?
00:17<jpinx-eeepc>kms? jordanm
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00:18<jordanm>jpinx-eeepc: squeeze
00:18<jordanm>!kms
00:18<dpkg>[KMS] Kernel Mode Setting, where the initialization of graphical modes is performed by the Linux kernel instead of X. It is hardware dependent, introduced in Linux 2.6.29. Enabled via modprobe as of xserver-xorg-video-intel 2:2.9.1-2 and xserver-xorg-video-radeon 1:6.12.192-2. To disable, edit /etc/modprobe.d/{i915,radeon}-kms.conf or boot with the 'nomodeset' kernel command line parameter. http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModesetting
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00:18<jordanm>I will take a guess and say i915 is the one to avoid :)
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00:19<jpinx-eeepc>jordanm: not me mate - leeny here untill squeeze is stable for a few months
00:19<jpinx-eeepc>s/leeny/lenny
00:20<jpinx-eeepc>I got my bum bitten in the past for upgradding too early and not having time to sort out the mess
00:21<Silicium01>jpinx-eeepc, by the way, is there any signifficant difference if I connect the other display with DVI/HDMI vs analog?
00:21<jordanm>i upgraded all my remaining desktop systems after the freeze... not for the sns, but for the help in filing bugs
00:21<jordanm>Silicium01: yes
00:22<Silicium01>jordanm, so I should look for ones with hdmi or dvi then right?
00:22<Silicium01>does you reepc have one?
00:22<Silicium01>your eepc*
00:22<jordanm>hdmi also has the benefit of including sound'
00:22<jordanm>Silicium01: most will have it these days
00:22<Silicium01>jordanm, that's nice, although my live cd didnt make it work
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00:27<Silicium01>I have my eye on toshiba L655 now. I wish I could tell if lan and wifi will work
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00:38<jpinx-eeepc>Silicium01: take a live cd and try it
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00:39<Silicium01>jordanm, you said sony is not a good idea, is there a erason why?
00:39<Silicium01>jpinx-eeepc, Cant test ethernet anyway, + they may not allow me to use livecd
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00:40<dyek>!find maildir2mbox
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00:42<jpinx-eeepc>Silicium01: really dude - yyou'r time would be better spent using google
00:42<dpkg>Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'maildir2mbox' returned no results.
00:42<Silicium01>jpinx-eeepc, :) doing that for 3 days streight
00:43<jpinx-eeepc>Silicium01: unless you find someone who actually has the model youa re interested in you will not get much help here
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00:44<Silicium01>jpinx-eeepc, honestly, I am just looking for models that work, so that I can just go buy it
00:44<Silicium01>but need something recent
00:44<Silicium01>recent & decent
00:45<Silicium01>jpinx-eeepc, I'm just going to head out. thanks for help mat
00:45<Silicium01>mate*
00:45<jpinx-eeepc>Silicium01: it's a minefield - in eeepc's alone there are just so many variations even within the same model, depending on when it was made and for what market
00:45<jpinx-eeepc>Silicium01: good luck - you know you'll get all the help possible once you come back here .. :)
00:45<Silicium01>jpinx-eeepc, for sure ;)
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00:46<dyek>!find qmail
00:46<dpkg>Debian Package Listing of 'qmail' (9): masqmail ;; mysqmail ;; mysqmail-courier-logger ;; mysqmail-dovecot-logger ;; mysqmail-postfix-logger ;; mysqmail-pure-ftpd-logger ;; qmail-qfilter ;; qmail-src ;; qmailanalog-installer.
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02:31<kootoomootoo>Hi!
02:31<kootoomootoo>since a week my lenny boot up slowly
02:32<kootoomootoo>how can I find the cause?
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02:48<jpinx-eeepc>kootoomootoo: look through your logs and dmesg for errors or strangeness
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03:42<kootoomootoo>jpinx-eeepc: it is hard for me, on boot screen the system freeze 20-30 sec after starting rsyslogd, again after starting cupsd, after log in as user again it's freezing before icons on desktop, starts very slow epiphany 1 min, just first time, some other packages (gedit)
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03:45<alephnull>I used xen-tools to create a new VM using the --passwd option. When entering the password I made a mistake the second time so it said that it is leaving the password unchanged.
03:46<alephnull>How can I now reset the root password for that VM without having to re-create it ?
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03:47<alephnull>The password is not a) dom0's root b) empty
03:47<@Ganneff>you mount the lv/loop device/wherever its on, chroot into it and change the password
03:47<@Ganneff>(or edit etc/passwd directly)
03:47<alephnull>ah.
03:47<alephnull>Thanks Ganneff
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03:50<weasel>or boot it into just a shell
03:52<alephnull>weasel: How does one do that ?
03:52<weasel>init=/bin/sh?
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03:58*EmleyMoor just tried to use ekiga but could not send audio - nothing he said was picked up
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03:59<EmleyMoor>I could hear the call...
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04:06<alephnull>weasel: Thank you. I used extra="init=/bin/sh" on the command line.
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04:13<EmleyMoor>Nothing I could do to my headset or mixer settings made a blind bit of difference
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04:35<sean>does anybody here run debian squeeze on a toshiba laptop?
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04:35<Talon_>my Fn keys don't all work... like Fn-Esc = mute/unmute, which works fine... fn-f6 and fn-f7 = brightness up/down but do not
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04:36<Talon_>I can however echo "brightness: <0-7>" > /proc/acpi/toshiba/lcd
04:36<Talon_>where are these hotkeys defined and configured?
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05:06<jpinx-eeepc>Talon_: acpi scripts maybe ?
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05:08<EmleyMoor>I can't get anything frem the microphone on my USB audio device
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05:15<dbldtx>EmleyMoor; Do other USB devices work? Do similar USB devices work?
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05:15<EmleyMoor>Other yes, similar maybe --- I get output, no input
05:16<dbldtx>Is the issue that the USB device IS recognized but isn't working?
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05:16<EmleyMoor>Recognised, working but not doing its job
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05:17<dbldtx>You aren't saying that you are getting output through your microphone, are you? What do you mean by "- I get output, no input"? It should be an INPUT device.
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05:17<EmleyMoor>Output through headset connected to same USB device
05:18<Talon_>jpinx-eeepc, I had problems with acpi_fakekey returning fifo: permission denied, so I went to /dev/shm/ and chmod a+w acpi_fakekey and now I can issue fake keys as any user... now if I acpi_fakekey 114 or 115 i get volume up/down but now how I assign these to a Fn-<key> I'm at a loss like Fn-ESC already does mute/unmute
05:18<dbldtx>So it's a USB device that is both a microphone and headphones. Roger that.
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05:18<ruishigg>www.97cj.net
05:18<dbldtx>Do you have a /proc/asound/ directory, Emley Moor?
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05:19<EmleyMoor>Yes
05:21<dbldtx>What does "lsusb" return? http://paste.debian.net/
05:22<dbldtx>...and also what does "lsmod | grep snd" return?
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05:22<EmleyMoor>http://paste.debian.net/98277/ - as always - no change
05:23<Brince>salut j'aimerais bien savoir comment je peut trouver les requetes qui se n'execute pas , par exemple les requetes lentes se trouvent sur le chemin suivant /var/log/mysql/mysql-slow.log, mais les autres requetes qui return faux je ne sais pas commnet les trouvés
05:23<EmleyMoor>& 98278 for the lsmod
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05:23<dbldtx>!fr
05:23<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net.
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05:24<jm_>EmleyMoor: did you look at kernel log once you start say arecord?
05:25<EmleyMoor>I didn't start arecord - so no... though I may if my current line of attack gets me nowhere
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05:26<jm_>that's the simplest method to test a mic
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05:27*dbldtx does not have a mic. Thanks jm_
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05:29*EmleyMoor is looking for the right options to arecord
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05:30<jm_>I just run arecord foo
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05:31<EmleyMoor>Yes, but that will record from the wrong device
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05:32<jm_>try arecord -l
05:32<jm_>and specify one with -D
05:32<EmleyMoor>Have done. No sound recorded
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05:35<jm_>but it also gives no error?
05:35<EmleyMoor>Kernel log does not show anything of interest at the time
05:35<EmleyMoor>No error
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05:37<jm_>are you sure you have specified the right device?
05:37<EmleyMoor>Yes
05:38<EmleyMoor>It seems the system just isn't interested in accepting input from this sound interface#
05:38<dbldtx>http://paste.debian.net/98281/ EmleyMoor, as turned up by a google search, could your card be looking for the capture rather than the mic?
05:38<jm_>would probably need help from someone who knows USB details
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05:40<EmleyMoor>That appears to be only "distantly related"
05:42<jm_>I had an issue with USB recording and some kernel option that was disabled, but that was visible in kernel log so that doesn't look like it
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05:43<EmleyMoor>This is related to this device only. I have another that works
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05:45<dbldtx>Try it in another system to verify it as a "known good", other than that, I've got nothing... (and no mic either)
05:45<EmleyMoor>I haven't got another system that is different enough to make a difference
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05:50<EmleyMoor>The device in question is part of my keyboard
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06:34<DooMCat>hey, can anyone here answer a question I have about make-kpkg?
06:35<babilen>DooMCat: You might have chances if you would actually ask your question
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06:35<DooMCat>haha sorry. ok, I'm trying to compile the latest stable release of zen-kernel, but I get this annoying error:
06:35<DooMCat>"dpkg-gencontrol: error: package linux-image-2.6.35-zen2+ not in control info"
06:36<DooMCat>when using make-kpkg
06:36<DooMCat>googling around, someone said it's because of the + at the end of the name or something
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06:36<DooMCat>but I don't know how to change the revision or whatever?
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06:38<DooMCat>so are there some environment args I can set when using make-kpkg to create the packages, that give it a different revision to the one specified by zen-kernel, basically?
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07:04<chaos>if i have an nfs share where the client runs lots of file operations on the share how do i safe client from crashing if server goes dead?
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07:08<jm_>chaos: look at nfs mount options
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07:09<chaos>i did, i thought soft mount would do the trick but it didn't
07:10<jm_>yeah there are others, timeout, retry, intr etc.
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07:14<pavi>I need help with live-build
07:15<pavi>http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/Examples what are lh_build ?
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07:23<babilen>pavi: Live Helper (live-helper pkg) build?
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07:24<pavi>babilen, I was confused by lh_build as a command apprently the new command is lb config
07:25<pavi>babilen, #debian-live
07:25<babilen>Yeah, live-helper is a transitionary package replaced by live-build
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07:25<babilen>pavi: I wanted to mention that channel :) But good you found it yourself. Good luck!
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08:09<Makki>hello there
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08:13<Zaba>hey guys, I've got a freshly installed unstable system, and 'apt-get install postfix' wants to install 'libmysqlclient16 libperl5.10 libpg5 mysql-common' in addition to 'postfix' and 'ssl-cert'. And it immediately lists those packages as 'no longer required', too.
08:13<Zaba>I observe that those four packages are dependencies of postfix-mysql and postfix-pgsql, which it Suggests, but doesn't want to install.
08:14<Zaba>also, doing 'aptitude install postfix' only (correctly) brings up postfix and ssl-cert.
08:14<Zaba>why does it do that? Am I overlooking something? Or is it a bug?
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08:17<themill>Zaba: "/msg dpkg bat" and provide us with a bit more information (including the entire output) in a pastebin, please. (Using aptitude rather than apt-get might be enlightening too)
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08:18<Zaba>I've already mentioned that aptitude's behaviour is (at least, from my point of view) correct
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08:19<bzed>Zaba: sounds a bit like a bug in apt-get. what does apt-get -f install do (without postfix)?
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08:19<Zaba>'0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.'
08:20<Zaba>effectively nothing
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08:32<Zaba>bzed, I don't see any bug reports that would be relevant. Well, #549968 is close, but not quite the same thing.
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08:35<bzed>Zaba: so if you want to install postfix with apt-get, it does not want to install postfix-mysql?
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08:35<Zaba>nope
08:36-!-mode/#debian [+l 433] by debhelper
08:36<bzed>Zaba: then I doubt postfix' dependencies are a reason for that
08:36<bzed>Zaba: try to install some random other package please
08:36*themill still wants to see that extra output he asked for
08:36<Zaba>well.. postfix recommends postfix-mysql, and that depends on libmysqlclient16 and mysql-common.
08:37<Zaba>err, it suggests it
08:37<rpetre>Zaba: because not all postfix users might want the mysql lookups
08:38<Zaba>rpetre, I don't question that
08:38<rpetre>if you want that feature, install postfix-mysql explicitly
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08:38<rpetre>oh, i see your original question now
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08:39<rpetre>are you sure postfix-mysql and postfix-pgsql are not considered in the dependency checks?
08:39<rpetre>doeas aptitude do the same?
08:40<Zaba>http://sprunge.us/cgLg is apt-get's output
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08:40<rpetre>oh, you mentioned it
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08:46<Zaba>rpetre, I have no idea whether they're considered or no, but given how their dependencies come up, I'd make an uneducated guess that they are, and in an incorrect way.
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08:48<rpetre>Zaba: yeah, i'm at the same spot as you, sorry for the noise, i misread the question :) maybe someone more familiar with apt's internal would give a better explanation, but i tend to think it's an apt bug
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08:55<Zaba>bzed, I wasn't yet able to find another package with which the problem would manifest...
08:56<bzed>really weird
08:56<bzed>probably just report a bug against apt-get
08:56<bzed>the maintainers/developers have a better clue of whats going on
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08:57<Zaba>or actually... wait. apt-get install sendmail-bin results in a strikingly similar thing.
08:58<mxey>sprunge it?
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08:58<Zaba>http://sprunge.us/jjfP
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09:00<mxey>I wonder if this somehow related to virtual packages, as both postfix and sendmail-bin provide mail-transport-agent
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09:01<Zaba>same thing happens for ssmtp. 'libmysqlclient16 libperl5.10 libpg5 mysql-common' are to be installed and removed.
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09:01<rpetre>Zaba: try with all providers of mail-transport-agent
09:01<mxey>Zaba: I doubt this is directly related to the Suggests of postfix. You don't have libcdb in the list, for example.
09:02<Zaba>hm, yes, it happens to all of mail-transport-agent, it seems.
09:02<mxey>(dependency of postfix-cdb which is suggested by postfix)
09:02<Zaba>okay, so it isn't even specific to postfix.
09:02<rpetre>maybe something that depends on m-t-a that depends on those too?
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09:03<Zaba>exim4-daemon-heavy depends on at least libperl5.10, libmysqlclient16 and libpg5
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09:03<Zaba>and libmysqlclient16 depends on mysql-common
09:04<Zaba>but what makes exim4-daemon-heavy's dependencies relevant?
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09:04<Zaba>I don't even have it installed
09:04<mxey>What happens if you just try to remove '^exim4-.*' without installing postfix?
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09:05<Zaba>it wants to remove 'bsd-mailx exim4 exim4-base exim4-config exim4-daemon-light'
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09:06<mxey>But not to install anything else?
09:06<Zaba>no
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09:06<mxey>and if you just remove exim4-daemon-light?
09:06<themill>Zaba: (sorry called away) I've seen this in the past and iirc it's related to the change over between exim and postfix at the same time.
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09:06<Zaba>mxey, then it pulls in exim4-daemon-heavy.
09:07<Zaba>...with the aforementioned four packages as dependencies, naturally.
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09:12<Zaba>mxey, well, at least this explains where the packages are coming from---but not why
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09:22<Zaba>mxey, I guess I can circumvent this by removing exim first and then installing postfix, but that doesn't make installing and removing things at the same time look any more correct.
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09:25<rpetre>you can specify packages to be removed in an apt-get install call by prefixing(?) them with -, iirc
09:26<rpetre>nope, suffixing
09:26<rpetre>If a hyphen is appended to the package name (with no intervening space), the identified package will be removed if it is installed.
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09:27<rpetre>i think this is one of those corner cases where aptitude proves it has a better resolution mechanism ;)
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09:28<Zaba>http://sprunge.us/QJAD might provide some insight?
09:29<Zaba>(apt-get with debugging of the package problem solver enabled)
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09:32<Zaba>rpetre, apt-get install postfix exim4- correctly wants to install just postfix (and its direct dependency, ssl-cert)
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09:38<rpetre>Zaba: so it just needed a little push in the right direction :)
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09:41<jaimesilva>Hello. I got a machine that keeps chewing disk and I can't find why!
09:41<jaimesilva>top doesn't show anything meaningfull neither does iotop
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09:42<jaimesilva>however, in top, I keep seeing scsi_eh_1, udisks-daemon and usb-storage
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09:45<zeus_>Hi all, can anyone help me to configure huawey hdspa usb key under debian ?
09:47<jaimesilva>zeus_: just plug it networkmanager should do the rest
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09:49<zeus_>jaimesilva: i'm running lxde and i have no networkmanager. do i have to aptitude install knetworkmanager ?
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09:49<jaimesilva>well, that's a good question...
09:49<jaimesilva>you should use a gui for networkmanager
09:50<edbian>A placed a script in cron.daily. Now the system mails me a copy of the massive output file. How do I turn this off?
09:50<jaimesilva>I think in lxde you should use the one for gnome
09:50<babilen>zeus_: I guess that the "nm-applet" (for Gnome) works just fine in lxde
09:50<@Ganneff>edbian: by not outputting anything to stdout or stderr
09:50<zeus_>can you do a dpkg --getseletion | grep networkmanager on your os ?
09:50<@Ganneff>edbian: cron does mail any of that. so redirect it into a log
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09:51<themill>edbian: cron jobs should be silent unless there's a problem that you need to be told about
09:51<edbian>rsync -aui --delete /home/ /mnt/backup/>/dev/null should work then in the script?
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09:51<jaimesilva>zeus_: I use KDE so I'm using knetwormanager, I think you should goggle for the best networkmanager frontend for lxde
09:51<babilen>edbian: You might just add "1>/dev/null 2>&1" in the end
09:52<themill>but then you'll never know if there are problems
09:52<edbian>I found a -q flag for rsync. I'll use that
09:52<edbian>Thanks for the help
09:52<babilen>edbian: Although that might be a bit too much as this also redirects stderr to /dev/null
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09:53<jaimesilva>edbian: Have you tried backupninja? it will take care of all that stuff and give you a log or message in case of throuble
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09:55<jaimesilva>zeus_: In case you want to use the gnome front end for networkmanager then you should install network-manager-gnome
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09:56<jaimesilva>zeus_: then you must ensure that nm_applet gets started on every session
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09:57<jaimesilva>zeus_: there is LXNM (http://wiki.lxde.org/en/LXNM) but is not ready yet, they suggest nm-applet
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09:57<zeus_>jaimesilva: i'm installing knetworkmanager
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09:58<infinite>Hi Folks : I am in deep trouble with Debian installation Please Help me
09:58<jaimesilva>ok, now about my problem, can someone please help me to find out why my maching keeps chewing disk, it hasn't stopped in about 3 days
09:59<jaimesilva>It happened before and I moved all the partitions from ext4 to ext3, it stayed quiet for a few months and now is doing it again
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10:00<ultra420>hellooooooooo~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
10:00<babilen>jaimesilva: Could you elaborate on the "keeps chewing disks" part please?
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10:01<jaimesilva>babilen: the disk keeps spinning, non stop
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10:01<jaimesilva>as if it where processing lots of data and doing a lot of io
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10:02<jaimesilva>however the processor is not being used above normal levels
10:02<moro>hi~~~~any body here could help me with my X problem?thanks~~~
10:02<ema29>moro: you were asking about startx?
10:02<moro>oh..my dear ema29 ,thanks,yes.i do have a problem with my startx
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10:03<moro>when i typed startx,then screen turn black,and no more response anymore.
10:03<ema29>do you have a .xsession?
10:03<moro>and i can do nothing but reboot system...
10:03<moro>a .xsession? i startx as root
10:03<moro>i ll have a check..
10:04<moro>no..there is no .xsession in /root/
10:04<moro>but the .xsession does exist in /etc/X11
10:04<ema29>it's generally best not to run startx as root, although that's unlikely to be the problem here
10:04<moro>i do find it over there..so much config file..i dont know how to solve this problem
10:04<jaimesilva>so top doesn't show a process that's making all the io work, and iotop -a -o shows kjournald on top of the list
10:05<ema29>moro: you mean /etc/X11/Xsession ?
10:05<moro>ok.my dear ema29,thank you.i ll use a normal user then...but i can't startx
10:05<moro>no i have /etx/X11/xsession.d/ and /etc/X11/Xsession ;but only .xsession-error in /root
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10:06<moro>i m using irssi..i like linux,but i m a new linuxer..
10:06<ema29>is there anything in your .xsession-error?
10:06<moro>i do googled.. but i cant find the answer..
10:06<moro>i ll cat the .xsession-error.wait a minute..
10:06<ema29>hang on
10:07<ema29>use paste.debian.net
10:07<moro>i use more /root/.xsession-errors,only a few lines...
10:07<@Ganneff>not here
10:08<moro>the last line is : sh:fortune:command not found
10:08<moro>use paste.debian.net?what does it mean?
10:09<babilen>moro: Take a look at: http://paste.debian.net -- you might get an idea :)
10:09<ema29>paste the log file there, less spam for the channel
10:09<jaimesilva>moro: you should put the contents or your /var/log/Xorg.0.log in paste.debian.net
10:09<moro>ok...thanks my dear friends...i ll use links2 to view the page
10:10<babilen>moro: You could also "aptitude install pastebinit" and then "pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log" and give us the URL
10:10<moro>i do "more /var/log/Xorg.0.log"....but i don't know how to deal with it...
10:11<moro>yes ...coooool..i m tryna thinking how to paste sth with out a browser...
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10:12<jaimesilva>moro: use pastebinit as babilen suggested
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10:13<jaimesilva>ok, so no one can tell me how to find out why my disks keep spinning?
10:14<ema29>iotop?
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10:14<ema29>sorry, not been following
10:14<mAniAk->something is using the disk?
10:14<mAniAk->and did you set it to spindown
10:15<infinite>HI There Can anyone help me
10:15<jaimesilva>well that's the problem top doesn't show something usefull neither does iotop -a -o
10:15<mAniAk->do they ever spin down
10:16<jaimesilva>mAniAk- no it keeps going and going
10:16<infinite>sets mode+i infinite
10:16<jaimesilva>it has happened before, I read that it was an issue with the journal in ext4 so I migrated all the partitions to ext3...
10:17<jaimesilva>it was quiet for a few months and now it has started again
10:17<ema29>upgraded the kernel recently?
10:18<jaimesilva>well I'm using testing/unstable it gets upgraded every now and then
10:19<jaimesilva>I have the habit of doing apt-get dist-upgrade almost dayly
10:19<mAniAk->jaimesilva: read this ? http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~mukesh/hacks/spindown/t1.html
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10:24<jaimesilva>thanks mAniAk- I'll read it
10:24<jaimesilva>on other issue, I keep getting a message about an invalid character on the version string of virtualbox-3.0 in the file /var/lib/dpkg/available however I'm now using virtualbox-3.2. How can I clean that file?
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10:25<ema29>dpkg --clear-avail; aptitude update
10:25<dpkg>wish i knew, ema29
10:25<ema29>jaimesilva: ^^
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10:26<jaimesilva>ema29: unknown option --clear-avail
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10:27<jaimesilva>weird, now it worked!
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10:28<jaimesilva>ok, now is fine, thanks ema29
10:28<moro>hi... my dear ema29 ...are you still here
10:28<ema29>hi
10:28<moro>wo...u are still here..you are really so kind...
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10:29<moro>i just use the cooool command pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log
10:30<moro>and i get a url... i use another pc to view this website.. and how long will somebody help me with my problem
10:30<moro>i do trap in this problem for more thant a week now
10:31<ema29>what is the url?
10:31<jaimesilva>moro: you should copy the url here
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10:32<moro>okay...i m using putty to ssh the debian system...
10:32<moro>http://pastebin.com/L1BmDfBs
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10:34<babilen>looks fine (AFAICT)
10:34<ema29>moro: pastebin the .xsession-errors too
10:34<babilen>moro: ^^^^ :)
10:34<ema29>and recent kernel logs
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10:37<moro>hi....i m reealy sooory.i was not following..
10:37<moro>okay..i ll pastebin the .xsession-errors too
10:37<babilen>ema29: Please "pastebinit ~/.xsession-errors"
10:38<moro>and i hate China
10:38<babilen>moro: 哪有!
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10:39<moro>i hate Chinese Government...not China okay?
10:39<babilen>moro: Alternatively you might want to install a graphical login manager (e.g. gdm) and run /etc/init.d/gdm restart
10:39<babilen>moro: sure :)
10:41<moro>no..i use xfce4...because my notebook is IBM T22,it has only 256M ram
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10:41<moro>http://pastebin.com/VGYp27t1 this is the .xsession-errors ,thanks...
10:42<babilen>moro: XFCE and a graphical login manager are compatible (you can easily choose a XFCE session in gdm)
10:43<moro>okay..thank you ,dear babilen,i use apt-get install xdm now...
10:43<ema29>while I personally use xdm I don't think it's going to help here
10:43<babilen>ugh, xdm .. good old times :)
10:44<moro>ohh.no..after i apt-get install xdm..
10:44<ema29>moro: also pastebin kernel logs and output of "ls -l /etc/alternatives/x-*"
10:44<moro>i use "xdm" and the debian response nothing
10:44<Silicium01>is ATI RADEON HD 3650 a well supported grapics card, and what do you guys think about Thinkpad W500?
10:44<moro>but i m use a putty to the debian system..and i can irssi...
10:45<ema29>moro: starting xdm caused the same problem I guess?
10:45<moro>yes..my dear ema29..
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10:45<moro>but the system is not dead... i'm using putty to it now.
10:45<ema29>in that case, run dmesg | tail and pastebin the output
10:45<moro>nothing ..i got nothing when i type: dmesg|more
10:46<ema29>also, if you stop xdm, can you switch VTs using ctrl-alt-F1 etc.?
10:46<babilen>Silicium01: No idea about the graphic card, but http://www.x.org/wiki/radeon / http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Main_Page might provide information. I find the W500 a bit clunky, but guess it is a fine laptop
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10:46<moro>no..i know about ctrl+alt+backspace..is is useless..
10:46<moro>just no response..but i can use putty to ssh...with xp
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10:48<Silicium01>babilen, ok, thx
10:48<moro>okay...this time .dmesg show sth..i ll use pastebinit again
10:49<babilen>moro: "dmesg|pastebinit"
10:49<ema29>moro: try switching to vt1 and logging in blind, use ps to see if it was successful
10:49<ema29>it might be just the video card getting stuck
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10:51<moro>i use...pastebinit /var/log/dmesg
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10:51<moro>and the new url is: http://pastebin.com/yAULEJqg
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10:52<moro>ha....dear ema29,the debian response nothing..it seems it is dead...but i can ssh to it
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10:52<Silicium01>I have a radeon hd 3600 on my desktop, how can I check if I am using free or non-free driver?
10:53<jaimesilva>mAniAk- that document you gave me keeps talking about /proc/sys/vm/bdflush and it doesn't exists on my current kernel, I think it is getting old
10:54<ema29>moro: /var/log/kern.log would be more helpful :)
10:54<moro>okay..thanks again..dear ema29
10:54<ema29>/var/log/dmesg is only the early bootup
10:55<moro>http://pastebin.com/q0mRq9kS this is the url i get after pastebinit /var/log/kern.log
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10:57<ema29>no smoking gun I can see, although it shows the video drivers loading
10:58<moro>...
10:58<ema29>the mtrr warning *might* be relevant, but someone more expert than I will have to help you
10:58<moro>okay...i thought i should choose centos 4.8 again
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10:58<moro>i used to install centos 4.8,and it works very well
10:59<ema29>if you can, try upgrading to squeeze first
10:59<ema29>newer kernel and X etc.
11:00<moro>okay..i ll have a try..thanks my dear ema29
11:00<jaimesilva>moro: maybe you should try by moving /etx/X11/xorg.conf to other place like ~/xorg_conf-original and letting X.org to autodetect
11:00<moro>you are so kind
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11:01<moro>thanks jaimesilva..i ll have a try too...
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11:01<moro>i do wanna my debian's desktop work.. i like debian..
11:02<jaimesilva>moro: just make sure there is no /etx/X11/xorg.conf file so X.org uses autodetection
11:02<moro>init 6..now..with putty...cause the T22 is dead...screen is black...zombie..
11:02<moro>em....jaimesilva..i ll try...
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11:02<moro>init 6
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11:03<jaimesilva>init 6!? is this guy running GNU/Linux on the 90's?
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11:04<jaimesilva>startx, init 6, this seems like a sci-fi movie when someone talks from back in time, hehehehe
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11:49<dominick>chat
11:49<dominick>sry!
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11:53<dominick>Hi! I was asked in an interview if I could install two instances of debian (or any OS for that instance) in a single primary partition. I wasn't sure about file structure. Could we mount a directory in the same partition as root?
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11:54<valdyn>dominick: im not sure the interviewers really want to hear what someone "can" do
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11:55<valdyn>dominick: youre on the wrong track, directories never are mounted "on a partition"
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11:56<dominick>valdyn, I figure they wanted to know what I was capable of doing!
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11:56<valdyn>dominick: or the interviewers dont really have more than basic knowledge about computers
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11:57<dominick>valdyn, I believe they were trying to find out what I was capable of!
11:57<dominick>for the discussions started somewhere at "How many partitions can be made" and I answered the initial questions well.
11:58<valdyn>dominick: thats another trick question
11:58<dominick>"how many partitions can be made in a single Hard Disk"
11:58<dominick>a trick question?
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11:58<valdyn>dominick: what is a "partition" ? its not clearly defined
11:58<valdyn>dominick: maybe the mean dos partition
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11:59<koollman>dominick: 'many' is a valid answer ? :)
11:59<valdyn>dominick: or maybe they dont, then i can define 1 partition per byte, duh
11:59<kurumin>hi
11:59<kurumin>how are you?
11:59<dominick>but isn't there a limit in the MBR?
11:59<valdyn>dominick: are we doing your homework?
12:00<valdyn>dominick: the dos partition table only has space for 4 partitions
12:00<dominick>valdyn, yeah, that's 4 primary partitions.
12:00<dominick>I kinda answered that,
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12:00<dominick>and that 3 can be primary and another extended can create a few more
12:01<dominick>but I really didn't know about dos partitions.
12:01<dominick>i'll ask dpkg
12:01<valdyn>dominick: but dos supports creating partition on partitions, thats called extended partition
12:01<valdyn>dominick: and linux can trivially layer this alot deeper
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12:02<dominick>so linux partitions are not DOS partitions?
12:02<valdyn>dominick: wrong question
12:02<valdyn>dominick: linux supports dos partitions ( among others )
12:02<dominick>The partitions which get created by default in the Guided partitioning I mean!
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12:02<valdyn>dominick: dos
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12:03<dominick>Wow! This is something I haven't tried yet! How do I start with creating linux partition?
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12:03<valdyn>dominick: theres no "linux partitions"
12:04<dominick>hmm!
12:04<dominick>valdyn, what other partitions are there apart from dos?
12:05<valdyn>!gpt
12:05<valdyn>dominick: gpt
12:05<dominick>valdyn, looks like dpkg doesn't know!
12:06<valdyn>dominick: wikipedia does
12:06<dominick>valdyn, I want to explore that! I'll get back after creating a gpt or any other patitions on my laptop! I'm sure #debian will help! :P
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12:07<dominick>thanks valdyn, that was illuminating!
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12:10<newman555>How are drives mounted without using /etc/fstab?
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12:11<koollman>newman555: mount /dev/somedrive /some/path
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12:11<koollman>newman555: you may want to use -t for the filesystem type, and -o for various options, see man mount
12:12<newman555>koollman: I'm sorry, bad question. I know how to mount by hand and with fstab, but as root I can see my windows partitions, but can't understand how
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12:13<koollman>newman555: oh. some magic stuff can happen with various automated tools, like a gnome desktop, or hal/udev rules, which automatically mount various detected drives, usually in /media/LABEL
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12:15<newman555>koollman: OK, but is there a way to know for sure? what can I check? and btw, what I actually wanted is to allow non-root to access other partitions but was surprised when I couldn't find those drives in fstab file...
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12:17<koollman>newman555: log files. the detection and mount should be mentionned in /var/log/messages , with the daemon responsible for it
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12:18<newman555>koolman: ok, thanks! I can still add it manually with a umask=022 to see them as non-root?
12:18<kurumin_>irc.hacker.com
12:18<koollman>newman555: sure. it might be a better option to understand what does it automatically, and modify the option at this level
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12:19<koollman>newman555: you can also just mount -o remount,umask=0222 /path , to fix it right now, without permanent changes
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12:19<newman555>koolman: that's the reason why I asked the first question. :) hm. what can I look fore in messages, anything specific?
12:20<newman555>koollman: yeah, I know, just wanted to know why I have it automatically...that's what confused me...
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12:22<mtc>greetings - in using dpkg from command line interface, how can I check what individual files were installed with a particular package?
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12:22<themill>mtc: dpkg -L
12:22<mtc>themill: thank you
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12:25<dominick>Hi! I was wondering, can I mount a directory in a partition as my root folder? I'm trying to install two instances of debian on a single partition! Only to see if I can!
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12:28<mtc>any thoughts on speeding up the text scroll speed on the console screens?
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12:29<mtc>it can take 7-10 seconds to scroll through one page in 'man' on my computer
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12:32<dominick>mtc, does pressing space help?
12:33<mtc>dominick: space just scrolls another page forward, it does not seem to increase the speed of the scroll
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12:34<mtc>I suppose it is just my computer -- it is not all that fast, but I assumed 500MHz was fast enough for text scrolling
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12:36<jaimesilva>does anyone knows how to get quanta working on squeeze or sid?
12:36<mtc>I seem to recall a 486 processor that I had a while back that scrolled text almost instantly, with D.O.S.
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12:36<dominick>mtc, does using a different shell help?
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12:36<mtc>dominick: hmm - good idea - will try
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12:41<mtc>no - no improvement
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12:43<flashn>is there a way to determine what type of installation the system was installed with
12:43<flashn>after having resolver issues in the netinst, I cancelled the netinst-part and the installer told me "okay I will then install a minium base bla bla"
12:44<flashn>is this what is generally called "base"?
12:44<flashn>or does it depend on what medium or release of debian?
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12:46<flashn>the problem is.. I have done apt-get update && apt-get upgrade and after that I tried adding some stuff like gcc etc.. only to find out gcc doesnt seem available in the repo that was setup in this installation
12:46<cahoot>!b-e
12:46<dpkg>somebody said build-essential was a package designed to help you create executables and build Debian packages. If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables or can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to "aptitude install build-essential". If you don't plan to compile things, you don't need this package. Ask me about <qotd49>.
12:46<bremner_>!tell flashn -about sources.list
12:46<flashn>only references to gcc is to gcc-4.4base
12:46<flashn>yes, but why do I need to update sources.list? it just points to squeeze/testing main
12:47<cahoot>flashn: tried installing build-essential?
12:47<flashn>shouldent it be referenced if I do "apt-cache search gcc"
12:47<flashn>or "apt-cache search make"
12:47<themill>flashn: perhaps you should stick your sources.list in a pastebin for us
12:48<flashn>its just 2 rows iirc, give me a sec
12:49<flashn>deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main
12:49<flashn>deb-src http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main
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12:50<themill>flashn: right... so you've got no mirror configured
12:50<flashn>I cant remember, but isnt security only for security fixes?
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12:51<flashn>what am I adding packages from with apt-get then?
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13:06<jhutchins_lt2>flashn: You're not.
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13:06<jhutchins_lt2>flashn: please read the message from dpkg regarding sources.
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13:07<flashn>I didnt see dpkg mentioning anything about that
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13:08<flashn>I have fixed the issue, but before that I installed libc6-dbg from the security repo
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13:09<jhutchins_lt>flashn: You should have a new query window from dpkg with a message regarding sources.
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13:12<flashn>jhutchins_lt, I removed all of my sources again, just leaving the security repos
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13:12<flashn>now I installed libmythes-dev
13:13<flashn>from the security repo without it telling me anything special
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13:14<flashn>what Im saying is.. if the installation cannot determine what mirrors to use, why not use the offical ones and leave a message that these can be changed to more localized mirrors
13:15<jhutchins_lt>flashn: Unlike some distros that do all the thinking for you, Debian assumes you to be in control of the the system.
13:15<flashn>it also assumes I have a lot of spare time
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13:16<flashn>its not a matter of thinking, its a matter of not having to do a numerous of tasks that could in one way or another be automated or point the user in the right direction
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13:17<bremner_>well, you can't blame the installation for not working right when you interupted it...
13:18<jhutchins_lt>flashn: There's this thing called "documentation" - like the Install and Getting Started guides from the wiki.
13:18<flashn>well, it should've broken my installation then >:)
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13:18<flashn>it said gladly "alright, Ill just install base then"
13:18<bremner_>flashn: feel free to start again.
13:18<flashn>well I was fine with having just base >:)
13:18<jhutchins_lt>flashn: Possibly after reading the install guide.
13:19<flashn>what does the install guide tells me about the installation I did?
13:19<flashn>that its inappropriate?
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13:21<ani>what version of kde sid using?
13:22<ompaul>ani: 4.4.5 until Squeeze
13:22<ani>ok
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13:30<xXx>my nick dropped :|
13:30<anon1745>I'm having trouble installing virtualbox-ose. it can't find the headers for my current running kernel, even though I installed them. seems a change in naming midstream may be an issue. any suggestions?
13:30<xXx>i here new debian kde as new distro coming, as far i remamber its name as solus.
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13:31<xXx>m-a auto-install nvidia-kernel${VERSION}-source
13:32<xXx>opps
13:32<xXx>sorry u say vb ose
13:33<anon1745>yes vb-ose trying to follow the instructions for squeeze in the debian wiki
13:33<anon1745>sec 4 url
13:34<anon1745>trying to follow these instructions : http://wiki.debian.org/VirtualBox
13:36<anon1745>result of install is here: http://pastebin.ca/1974311
13:38<gsimmons>anon1745: What is "uname -r" currently reporting?
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13:40<anon1745>gsimmons: 2.6.32-trunk-686
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13:40<anon1745>the naming aparently dropped "trunk" midstream
13:41<gsimmons>anon1745: 2.6.32 -trunk kernels are obsolete. You would want to restart your computer and boot into the 2.6.32-5-686 kernel, remove -trunk image/header packages from your system, then retry your VirtualBox OSE installation.
13:43<anon1745>need to install the 2.6.32-5-686 kernel. is there a good pointer to the docs for that.
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13:45<gsimmons>anon1745: According to your DKMS output, it is already installed.
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13:47<anon1745>That's the confusing part. I did try to compile a 2.6.32 kernel from source and installed that but it will not boot. I'm running the only kernel I have that works.
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13:49<anon1745>the headers for 2.6.32 are installed. but 2.6.32-trunk is the installed kernel.
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13:50<anon1745>*the installed running kernel...
13:52<gsimmons>anon1745: What does "dpkg -l linux-image-2.6.32-5-686 | tail -1" return?
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13:55<anon1745>gsimmons: No packages found matching linux-image-2.6.32-5-686
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13:56<ananth123>can anyone help me to change wallpaper in lxde ? after click close on Desktop preferences changes it back to the older default image...
13:57<amphi>ananth123: dunno about lxde, but I use feh to set bg images here
13:58<Morty>I've done a few etch->lenny upgrades following instructions from the dpkg bot. Works pretty well, except for one detail -- lenny's libc really wants linux-2.6 installed first. I've switched back to etch, downgraded libc, installed 2.6, rebooted, and then done the procedure again. Could someone update dpkg to make clear that one needs to install 2.6 and reboot before proceeding? Thanks!
13:59<ananth123>amphi: i dont want to run feh each time i boot...
13:59<ananth123>but thanks for letting me know about feh... i had never heard of it before :)
13:59<amphi>ananth123: I just run it from my ~/.xsession
13:59<amphi>feh is good
13:59<gsimmons>anon1745: OK, only linux-headers-2.6.32-5-686 is installed. Install the linux-image-686 metapackage, which will bring this in.
14:02<anon1745>gsimmons: will this update grub as well?
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14:03<gsimmons>anon1745: Yes, update-grub will be called during package post-installation.
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14:09<anon1745>gsimmons: install complete, need to reboot to new kernel
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14:15<speedvin>Hi!
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14:20<anon1745>gsimmons: thank you the kernel update got everything running. virtualbox is now installing it's first guest os
14:21<gsimmons>anon1745: np
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15:15<amitz>is there an approved debian squeeze way to make java applet run in chromium?
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15:15<amitz>all are debian official packages (openjdk, chromium)
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15:18<jhutchins_lt>amitz: Doesn't that take some sort of plugin, not just the development kit?
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15:22<amitz>jhutchins_lt: supposedly, fwiw, update-java-alternatives -a says update-alternatives: error: no alternatives for mozilla-javaplugin.so.
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15:24<themill>amitz: did you install the icedtea6-plugin package?
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15:29<amitz>themill: I didn't, I did, it runs now, thank you. I was about to mess with /usr/lib/chromium-browser/plugins :-p
15:29<themill>\o/
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15:29<R101011>Ha
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15:32<retrospectacus>!lart R101011
15:32*dpkg steals R101011's mojo
15:32<retrospectacus>ha
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15:42<Dominus>Can squid be used for all kinds of proxy servers? Not only web proxies?
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15:44<mase>Dominus what do you mean with a "non-web"-proxy? how should that work?
15:45<Dominus>Well. I mean.. something like a proxy server for all outgoing internet actions, and not only web browsing?
15:46<mase>Dominus No, maybe you are thinking about something like NAT-Routing?
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15:46<Dominus>Hmm. Actually. Never mind. I think I'll try to set up a web proxy at first.
15:47<Dominus>Do you know how I can get a new squid.conf default file? I have messed mine up. I tried reinstalling squid, it didn't help
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15:47<mase>Dominus you can have a look into the deb file via mc and extract the original config file
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15:50<Dominus>umm. how would i do that? :)
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15:50<mase>Dominus you know the midnoght commander?
15:51<mase>(midnight)
15:51<gsimmons>Dominus: You could just copy /usr/share/doc/squid/examples/squid.conf to /etc/squid.conf (and chmod 0600), which is what is done at postinst for new installations.
15:51<mase>could work to :D
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15:51<Dominus>oh, thanks gsimmons :)
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15:55<Dominus>okay. that dir doesn't exist
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15:56<Dominus>the dir /usr/share/doc/squid3 exists, but it doesn't have an examples dir
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16:04<gsimmons>Dominus: For squid3, you can "zcat /usr/share/doc/squid3-common/squid.conf.documented.gz > /etc/squid3/squid.conf" to recreate, or just delete and --force-confmiss (/msg dpkg confmiss) with the squid3 package.
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16:09<Dominus>wut, thanks gsimmons ^__^
16:09<Dominus>It worked perfectly
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16:17<eightcell>hello all
16:18<retrospectacus>'afternoon
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16:49<PeterNL>Hi, what is a good a/v capturing program that can record video from v4l2 and audio from line-in, and at the same time display the video while it is recording?
16:50<Nemoder>I think VLC can do this
16:50<PeterNL>How do I record line-in in vlc?
16:50<PeterNL>I got video working in vlc, so that's ok :D
16:50<PeterNL>(using debian testing btw)
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16:52<Nemoder>there is a checkbox to show more options, I think you have to specifiy the alsa device on that command line, not sure what to use though
16:53<PeterNL>:input-slave=alsa://something
16:53<PeterNL>But whet do I enter there... I don't know...
16:53<PeterNL>what*
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17:19<newman555>I've tried to figure it out, but no luck...How is automounting done on Debian (by "auto" I mean without fstab entry)? As a root user I see all my windows partitions, and as non-root I don't. Any ideas? Thanks.
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17:29<newman555>Anyone? Just point me in the right direction...
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17:30<qq->!automount
17:30<dpkg>If you're running one of the desktop environments in Debian, then ask me about <gnome-volume-manager>, <kde automount>, or <thunar-volman>. If you want something for the command line, then ask me about <halevt>, <ivman> or <usb mount>. For a completely different approach to automounting, ask me about <autofs>.
17:31<newman555>Just trying to figure out how it's gone. using gnome right now. haven't got a clue where to look or start.
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17:31<qq->!ntfs-3g
17:31<dpkg>from memory, ntfs-3g is a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance, packaged for Debian. Usage examples: http://www.tuxera.com/community/ntfs-3g-download/#usage . Ask me about <user accessible ntfs>.
17:31<kop>newman555: What does automounting have to do with seeing partition content? You probably need to add yourself to a group.
17:32<qq->!user accessible ntfs
17:32<dpkg>To get an NTFS or VFAT file system accessible by users and groups on the local machine, man mount; man 5 fstab; and read about the umask, fmask, dmask, uid, and gid options. You'll end up sticking something like conv=auto,uid=<user>,gid=<group>,dmask=0002,fmask=0003 into your fstab's mount option field.
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17:32<fighter>hi
17:32<newman555>kop: maybe I used a wrong expression...usually, without having /etc/fstab entry partition didn't mount. now they all are, and I'm just wondering what process does this?
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17:34<kop>newman555: It's in the startup sequence. The init process. You probably want to see the debian reference on the boot sequence.
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17:35<kop>!tell newman555 about runlevel
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17:35<newman555>kop: ok. but why wasn't this like this yesterday? I changed from lenny to squeeze and now I have it...
17:35<kop>newman555: The above has some of the docs referenced.
17:36<newman555>kop: thanks...I'll check it out
17:36<kop>newman555: Dunno. I don't run squeeze.
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17:36<kop>newman555: Although I hear the startup sequence has been parallellized.
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17:38<newman555>kop: I understand that I need to look further into the boot details, but I was simply suprised today when I saw all these partitions and no entry in fstab. And non-root doesn't have them and I put that user in all the groups I tought it's needed.
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18:04<pizza>Can someone teach me how to install a more recent version of Wine than what it is in the repositories? I am switching from Ubuntu so I'm a little lost with the Debian 'way'.
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18:07<streuner__>judd, versions wine
18:07<judd>Package wine on i386 -- etch: 0.9.25-2.1; etch-backports: 1.0.0-1~bpo40+1; lenny: 1.0.1-1; sid: 1.0.1-3+b1; squeeze: 1.0.1-3+b1; experimental: 1.1.24-2
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18:07<streuner__>pizza: /msg dpkg backports
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18:13<Dominus>Hmm. Okay, you debian well-knowing persons. Could someone tell me what the main reasons to be considered are between ubuntu and debian?
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18:13<themill>!why debian
18:13<dpkg>Debian strives to maintain your freedom whilst also paying close attention to the technical aspects of making a great OS. Debian is stable, upgradable and well tested. See also http://www.debian.org/intro/free http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ (archived at http://wiki.debian.org/WhyDebian) http://www.aboutdebian.com/ . As an added bonus, you get to ask questions in #debian.
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18:17<PeterNL>!ffmpeg
18:17<dpkg>FFmpeg is a complete, cross-platform solution to record, convert and stream audio and video. The Debian ffmpeg package contains a multimedia player (ffplay), server (ffserver) and encoder (ffmpeg). Use "ffmpeg -formats" to list supported transcoding formats for ffmpeg's -target option. http://ffmpeg.org/ #ffmpeg on irc.freenode.net. See also <dmm>.
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18:23<Dominus>what is the command for memory usage?
18:23<Dominus>the one where you can see memory usage + cpu usage, and what tasks that use the memory?
18:23<abrotman>free ?
18:23<abrotman>top ?
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18:24<Dominus>i think it is top
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18:25<Dominus>thx
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18:40<jhutchins_lt>,versions wine
18:40<judd>Package wine on i386 -- etch: 0.9.25-2.1; etch-backports: 1.0.0-1~bpo40+1; lenny: 1.0.1-1; sid: 1.0.1-3+b1; squeeze: 1.0.1-3+b1; experimental: 1.1.24-2
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19:04<dpkg><exobyte> California should steal .ca from canada <exobyte> our state flower causes people to fail drug tests. how kick ass is that?!
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19:09<PeterNL>.ca should be reserved for calimero fansites :D
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19:17<nevyn>PeterNL: no for calamari fansites
19:18<PeterNL>No, for camels
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20:24<oddTod>I know this channel is for debian related questions but I figured someone here might have a hint to some software that would allow me to boot live on old hardware and mount a local drive for data recovery. I normally use Ubuntu for this but its really old hardware and its not liking ubuntu.
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20:26<retrospectacus>I use partedmagic
20:27<retrospectacus>oddTod
20:27<franki^>oddTod: I think that there are a few command-line based liveCDs
20:27<franki^>I'm sure you can find ones based on Debian, Ubuntu, or any other distro you feel like
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20:37<amphi>oddTod: the sysresccd.org iso has been useful to me for such things in the past, FWIW
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20:42<oddTod>retrospectacus; thank you i'll download it now.
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20:43<oddTod>amphi; i was downloading this at the time i'm booting to it now hopefully this hardware can handle it. I would just pull the drive but its on an Array :(
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21:14<babilen>oddTod: grml is the best live distro out there (IMHO)
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21:19<oddTod>babilen: thank you. I will check all of these out here in the next week either way. For now I found the data i need and i'm a happy camper. Thank you guys for your help.
21:20<babilen>great :)
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21:26<oddTod>Babilen: previous IT didn't really keep track of where computers were located and labeling. So we moved I was informed to get rid of all the old legacy equipment. Luckily I haven't disposed of the hardware cause data was needed off a 15 year old system.
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21:32<ThePub>shouldn't usb devices automatically be in the plugdev group instead of root?
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22:59<Silicium01>Guys, I finally zeroed in on an exact laptop that would suit me 100% and price is good too. I'd like to confirm that all hardware would be supported though, how can I do this? Can you help?
23:00<Silicium01>this is it: http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=710_577_367&item_id=033806
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23:01<diego>is there any way to avoid packets from being decrypted in WPA2-PSK (note that the key is shared) ... or should I have a Radius server to avoid that
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23:04<jordanm>Silicium01: when choosing ati, you have to ask yourself, how much you care your drivers are open source
23:05<Silicium01>jordanm, I do not mind using proprietary drivers
23:05<jordanm>Silicium01: with nvidia, you have sub-par OSS drivers, but excellent non-free. with ati your have good OSS drivers, but crap non-free drivers
23:05<jordanm>Silicium01: and.. acer... I personally would never guy
23:05<jordanm>s/guy/buy/
23:06<jordanm>Silicium01: also, that particular card takes a bit of extra effort on debian stable, and only works with proprietary
23:06<Silicium01>jordanm, :(
23:06<gsimmons>Silicium01: WRT Ethernet support, /msg dpkg ar8151
23:06<jordanm>Silicium01: at this point, you should be targetting squeeze when buying new hardware though. only a matter of months away
23:07<Silicium01>jordanm, I am targeting squeeze
23:07<Silicium01>I will be installing squeeze on it
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23:07<Silicium01>my requirements have boiled down to 13" screen 1366x786 resolution, 4 gb ram, i3 r better and decent gpu
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23:08<Silicium01>That's all I basically need, and dont care about anything else any more :) as long as it works with Debian, my fav OS
23:08<jordanm>imo the core2 laptops are still plety capable.. the i3/5/7 pushes expensive ddr3 ram you really don't need
23:09<jordanm>Silicium01: I didn't like the factoid that gsimmons pointed out in regards to ethernet support
23:09<Silicium01>jordanm, agree, but they don't carry those any more, and it's very hard to find used
23:10<Silicium01>I am so exhausted from searching and changing my mind all the time, it's not even funny any more :)
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23:11<Silicium01>jordanm, just to confirm that I have not gone crazy:
23:11<Silicium01>I have come to a realization, that it does not matter what size the scren is, what matters is resolution
23:11<Silicium01>am I right in this?
23:12<Silicium01>like why would I buy a 15.6 in ch laptop that has same resolution as 13.1" one for example. If my primary goal is to have it connected to a larger screen
23:12<jordanm>well, both matters... if you had 1920x1200 on a 13" screen, you wound't be able to read crap
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23:12<Silicium01>well yes, 1920 is extreme for 13"
23:12<jordanm>I knew someone with that res on a 15".. and I thought it was terrible
23:13<Silicium01>but I think 1366x786 just makes more sense on 13" no?
23:13<jordanm>thats better than what I have on on my 14.something
23:13<Silicium01>jordanm, it's funny you say that, almost bought a Thinkpad W500 which is exactly that, 15" with 1920x1200
23:14<jordanm>Silicium01: but really, at this point, you are asking someone who will no longer buy as non-thinkpad laptop, so I am bias
23:14<Silicium01>I want to stay away from larger sized laptops, since 1366x786 is just right for my mobile work and rest of the time I can just use 1920 x 1080 screen
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23:14<Silicium01>jordanm, lol
23:15<jordanm>*maybe* hp.. but mostly because of their support of debian.. with debconf sponserships and lwn subs for the devs and etc
23:15<Hydroxide>they do a lot for us, indeed
23:15<Silicium01>I didn't know that about HP, nice
23:16<Silicium01>maybe I can find a 13" hp...
23:16<Hydroxide>jordanm: they host a lot of core Debian servers too (though so do other corps+nonprofits)
23:17<jordanm>Silicium01: pick it out their business lineup if you can.. i have found their business support to be considerably good
23:17*Hydroxide typing on a thinkpad right now, despite the above.
23:17<Silicium01>hp business lineup you mean right
23:17<Silicium01>?
23:17<jordanm>Hydroxide: didn't know that, nice :)
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23:18<Hydroxide>jordanm: have you seen http://www.hp.com/go/debian ? not well advertised, but real
23:19<jordanm>Hydroxide: no, I didn't. very nice. I recall one representive of HP.. making very informative comments at the past debconf, which really altered my opinion of HP (even though it was only a single person of a very large company)
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23:20<jordanm>and I only recently saw that they were the ones that paid for the lwn.net subs
23:21*jordanm thinks abrotman would remember and be able to tell me who I am thing of
23:21<Hydroxide>jordanm: bdale garbee is probably the person you're referring to - he's also a debian developer, former DPL, and president of software in the public interest (which is the US nonprofit that accepts donations for debian) - and an amateur rocket hobbyist, too :)
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23:21<jordanm>Hydroxide: yep, thats him
23:22<dondelelcaro>yeah, bdale's somewhere high up in the executive hierarchy of HP
23:23<nevyn>Hydroxide: he's also running a rocketry miniconf at lca next year iwth keith.
23:23<Hydroxide>nevyn: sounds right :)
23:23*nevyn is excited.
23:23<nevyn>things going boom with free software. how much better does it get than that?
23:23<dondelelcaro>(the linux CTO, actually)
23:24<jordanm>yeah, I just looked at his wikipedia article. definately was him I was thinking of
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23:25<Hydroxide>dondelelcaro: they clamped down on three-letter CxO titles, so he's now their Open Source & Linux Chief Technologist
23:25<Hydroxide>dondelelcaro: happened a few years back. he still does the same stuff though as far as I know
23:25<dondelelcaro>Hydroxide: heh; I don't keep up with people's titles
23:26<Hydroxide>dondelelcaro: I mainly know this because I've had enough reason to interact with him over the years (working with him on running SPI will do that)
23:27<jordanm>while I have both of you active in the same channel.. I have to ask.. do I have to hold out until I get a DD title before i can get a debian vanity cloak on freenode?
23:28<Hydroxide>jordanm: I believe the answer right now is yes, though I have no idea how that will change when the project fully implements Debian's recent vote to make it easier for non-packaging contributors to become full members
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23:29<dondelelcaro>I don't think OFTC gives cloaks to DDs
23:29<jordanm>Hydroxide: I am subed to -vote, and I kept up with the discussion. translaters and documentation writers were mentioned specifically, but not end-user support guys.. anyways, I am now a package contributor as well
23:29<dondelelcaro>cloaks are pretty useless anyway
23:30<Hydroxide>dondelelcaro: the question was about freenode
23:30<jordanm>I never bothered to get one on oftc. its not really about the "cloak" aspect, as much as showing my affiliation with the project
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23:31<Hydroxide>jordanm: yeah, and that sort of thing is common in freenode culture, so I understand completely
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23:40<jordanm>Hydroxide: so who is actually in charge of that sort of thing on freenode? I figured it would be you or don
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23:42<dondelelcaro>jordanm: Ganneff is.
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23:43<jordanm>dondelelcaro: ah. I don't think I have ever seen him on freenode. I suppose I am a late-comer to the debian community though
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23:46<Hydroxide>jordanm: I don't know if I've ever seen him there either :) yet somehow he's in charge of that
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23:46<Hydroxide>jordanm: well, I guess I saw him there before debian moved here, but...
23:47<Hydroxide>jordanm: anyway, he's also one of the primary people who will react to that vote
23:48<jordanm>I will shoot him an email about it, thanks
23:48<Hydroxide>heh, good luck :)
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