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---Logopened Fri Oct 29 00:00:38 2010
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00:30<steelrat>hello! can someone, pls, help me to download packages with it dependencies to install on offline machine?
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00:31<devil>steelrat: apt-get install <package> -d is just one way
00:32<steelrat>devil: on the machine without internet connection?
00:32<devil>no, on the one with. packages will then be in /var/apt/cache/archives
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00:33<devil>install with dpkg -i <package> && apt-get -f install on the other box
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00:34<steelrat>and how to download debian's packages from ubuntu machine? :)
00:34<steelrat>i guess there should be a way to give the apt-get debian's sources?
00:35<devil>you can also get packages from http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages
00:35<steelrat>yep, but there's a lot of it! it's realy annoying :)
00:35<devil>it also lists depends
00:35<steelrat>and when i download and trying to install it needs more dependencies (
00:36<steelrat>i tried this: http://batmat.net/apt-offline/ch2.html
00:36<steelrat>but it doesn't work forme (
00:37<devil>should work
00:37<steelrat>ok, i put options manually. like this: sudo apt-get -o get::Download-Only=true -o dir::state=/home/steelrat/Downloads/apt/ -o dir::state::status=status -o dir::cache::archives=/home/steelrat/Downloads/apt/archives/ -o dir::cache=/tmp/ -o dir::etc=/home/steelrat/Downloads/apt/ update
00:37<steelrat>with debian's sources in /home/steelrat/Downloads/apt/
00:37<steelrat>and update command is work
00:38<steelrat>but when i tried to do install it fails(
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00:40<steelrat>the output looks like this: http://pastebin.com/7KrWddnu
00:40<steelrat>can anyone help me with it?
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00:43<devil>sorry, i have to run in a few...
00:43<steelrat>ok,thanks..
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00:53<Silicium01>I just installe dsqueeze from dvd, and t never asked me for root password
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00:53<Silicium01>how do I even log in now?
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00:54<Silicium01>I installed it from the first dvd
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00:56<steelrat>it actually asks about root password :)
00:56<Silicium01>steelrat, it never asked me
00:56<Silicium01>the entire install finished and rebootd
00:56<steelrat>and you created the user to login with during the installation
00:56<Silicium01>never asked me for any passwords or adding users
00:56<steelrat>it's impossible
00:56<Silicium01>steelrat, I'm telling you man
00:57<steelrat>i did installation recently, and it did :)
00:57<Silicium01>I just did it
00:57<Silicium01>via dvd1
00:57<steelrat>well, i think you have to reinstall it
00:57<steelrat>yep, via dvd1
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00:57<steelrat>same for me
00:57<steelrat>abd it asked
00:57<steelrat>and
00:57<Silicium01>huh
00:57<Silicium01>I am weirded out
00:57<steelrat>i'm not lying :)
00:57<Silicium01>how can this be?
00:58<steelrat>it can't be :)
00:58<Silicium01>I booted from dvd, it retrieved all files, installed, asked me about grub, restarted and presented a login screen
00:58<Silicium01>that's it
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00:59<Silicium01>I installed squeeze by the way, not sure if it makes any difference
00:59<steelrat>i dunno, it should be a special version of debian without login..
00:59<steelrat>oh, i'm talking about lenny
01:00<steelrat>but it anyway should have asked
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01:00<reklipz>I have a 120GB IDE HDD formatted with NTFS that I need to backup the contents of while I reimage the machine it was in. I have a 3TB RAID that I'm going to stash it on. What is the best way to copy the contents? I don't need the boot loader or anything, just the files (unless making a "perfect" image is easier than copying the files, of course).
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01:01<Silicium01>steelrat, did it restart before asking for root?
01:02<steelrat>Silicium01: nope, it was during the installation
01:02<Silicium01>I'm going to reinstall
01:02<Silicium01>I dont know how this hapened
01:02<steelrat>me neither )
01:02<jm_>reklipz: cp -a - but note that this won't preserve NTFS specific bits
01:03<Silicium01>I wonder if this has happened to anyone else
01:03<reklipz>jm_: that should work fine. I appreciate it, thank you.
01:03<steelrat>not for me )
01:04<Silicium01>jm_, reklipz , have you guys ever gone through install and not havea root password prompt?
01:04<gdb>rsync -avHAX
01:05<gdb>But cp -a is probalby fine :)
01:05<reklipz>Silicium01: can't say that I have
01:06<Silicium01>brb
01:06<reklipz>cp -aR?
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01:06<jm_>Silicium01: no, but it's doable with preseed
01:06<reklipz>ah, nvmd.
01:06<jm_>blah
01:07<steelrat>if someone would help me with this, it would be great: http://ask.debian.net/questions/using-apt-get-offline-to-install-packages-with-it-s-dependencies :)
01:07<reklipz>sending cp sigusr1 outputs statistics, right?
01:11<jm_>reklipz: no, that's dd
01:12<reklipz>jm_: ah, right.
01:12<reklipz>I could use pv I guess.
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01:16<longgege>hello
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01:17<longgege>有人吗
01:18<longgege>Is somebody here?
01:18*reklipz looks around
01:20<jm_>!cn
01:20<dpkg>well, cn is China, or for help in chinese please join irc.oftc.net #debian-zh, Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see http://tinyurl.com/8yrj9 | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读
01:20<longgege>I don't know how to use the X-chat, can you tell me ?
01:20<jm_>no I never used it
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01:22<longgege>o, thank you all the same !!
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01:23<jm_>!xchat
01:23<dpkg>XChat is a graphical <IRC> client similar to AmIRC. Also in violation of the GPL (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xchat#Shareware_controversy). http://xchat.org/faq/ http://xchatdata.net/Using/FAQ http://xchat.org/ #xchat on irc.freenode.net.
01:24<jm_>maybe they can help you there
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01:26<reklipz>"Also in violation of the GPL" -- nice
01:28<jm_>probably the windows port
01:28<reklipz>Indeed.
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01:33<gdb>The developer of xchat is also an asshole.
01:34<gdb>That opinion probably comes from my personal interactions with him. ;-)
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01:36<terang>gdb: who isn't
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01:59<Silicium01>Guys, I installed debian on a Intel i5 machine and grub shows me amd64
01:59<Silicium01>Does this mean something didn't go right?
02:00<rigved>Silicium01: there are two architectures, AMD64 and i386
02:00<Silicium01>rigved, right, and if my i5 laptop shows amd64 at the grub level, it means not the right versin is installed right?
02:01<nevyn>Silicium01: amd were first to release cpu's with a 64bit extension for ia32 debian respects this.
02:01<nevyn>Silicium01: it's the correct version
02:01<rigved>Silicium01: you have a 64-bit OS and a processor that supports 64-bit operations, so you have an AMD64 architecture as detected by the OS
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02:01<nevyn>intel implemented amd's instruction set once it became obvious that consumers were not going to buy ia64 (itanium) which is a different 64 bit architecture.
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02:02<Silicium01>Ok, so I am using the right version then.
02:02<Silicium01>that's good to know
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02:03<Silicium01>I'm experiencing a different problem now, what happens is I connect my laptop with HDMI cable to a larger screen and the larger screen is not detected
02:04<nevyn>run xrandr
02:04<Silicium01>then I connect via VGA and it's detected but after a few minutes it goes black
02:04<Silicium01>nevyn, is xrandr what gnome comes with and calles "monitors" under preferences in squeeze?
02:05<nevyn>monitors is a funky client for xrandr.
02:05<nevyn>xrandr is a commandline client that prints on the console a list of connected screens
02:05<Silicium01>nevyn, right, so I'm using the right thing then
02:05<Silicium01>somehow monitor is not detected through hdmi
02:06<nevyn>Silicium01: but I don't know if monitor's in gnome will print the state of all outputs.
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02:06<nevyn>I KNOW xrandr will query the xserver directly
02:06<Silicium01>nevyn, let me try xrabndr, lets see what happens
02:06<Silicium01>I'm going to boot it, one moment
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02:07<rigved>Silicium01: yes, run xrandr from the commandline; i think, if there a problem, then it'll print the output to the commandline
02:07<Silicium01>rigved, nice, I'm going to do that in a moment
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02:09<Silicium01>ok, I'll test hdmi first, then vga. brb
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02:13<Talon_>I've got ubuntu and debian, trying to transition from ubuntu to debian, and one of the annoyances I have thus far (debian squeeze) when I bring up a terminal and su (sometimes i need to do more than 1 cmd so su is more handy than sudo) I lose all colors so its hard to distinguish a directory from a file, executables from non-executables, etc.. i haveto ls -l and read permissions
02:13<Talon_>is there a way to fix this?
02:14<nevyn>Talon_: alias ls = 'ls --colour=auto'
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02:15<jm_>!bashrc
02:15<dpkg>~/.bashrc is where you put all your aliases and functions. It's read at start-up time by all interactive non-login shells. To make sure it's read by a login shell, put "source ~/.bashrc" at the end of ~/.bash_profile, or just remove the comment that is placed before the already typed include line that Debian's ~/.bash_profile has by default. Ask me about <bash eternal history>.
02:15<jm_>Talon_ ^^^^
02:17<Silicium01>Ok, so here's what xrandr is showing me
02:17<Silicium01>no errors
02:17<Silicium01>Screen 0: minimum, curent maximum, etc...
02:17<Silicium01>VGA1 connected/not connected based on whether or not I conected it
02:18<Talon_>ah cool, i just su'd copied my .bashrc in /home/me/ to ~, exited and re-su'd and i got color! thx :)
02:18<Silicium01>LVDS1 connected
02:18<Silicium01>no indication of hdmi when I connect it
02:18<Silicium01>or any indication if it at all
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02:18<Silicium01>by the way this is all happening with integrated Intel HD graphics card
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02:19<Silicium01>this machine also has a discreet ati radeon hd card, which I do not think is enabled right now
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02:27<rigved>Silicium01: i'm not too sure about this, but i think it is possible that there is a conflict between the in-built graphics chipset and the ATI graphics card; but this is just a hunch. But it is most likely not this.
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02:30<Silicium01>do you guys knpw what linqt stuff was replaced by in squeeze?
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02:30<Silicium01>need to install some skype dependencies but they dont seem to be there in squeeze
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02:58<Sparq__>can you install raid 1 after installing the OS?
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02:58<Sparq__>I tried doing it straight from the installation but that didn't quite work
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03:01<mAniAk->raid1 for what
03:01<Sparq__>the whole drive
03:01<Sparq__>I read some where you can just copy it over and do some more tweeking
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03:01<Sparq__>but It seems that it might be more diffucult
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03:02<Silicium01>I cant install ia32-libs ia32-libs-gtk
03:02<Silicium01>apt does not seem to be able to locate them
03:02<Silicium01>any ideas?
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03:16<anton> /quit ?
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03:32<john_>hi guys,
03:32<john_>i'm running debian 5.0 as fileserver using samba, can anyone help me why i can't access samba on windows 98.
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03:34<Sparq__>so apparently my raid runs with one but not two drives
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03:49<Mei>hello everyone , i am the freshman here
03:49<solidrock>hi Mei
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04:34<classical>hey ppl :) i cant install eclipse from repository
04:34<classical>but it's here http://packages.debian.org/source/sid/eclipse-cdt
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04:35<jm_>it's only in sid
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04:51<ryanc>how likely is a etch->squeeze dist-upgrade to work cleanly?
04:51<rudi_s>ryanc: Very unlikely.
04:52<rudi_s>!etch->lenny
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04:52<ryanc>etch->lenny->squeeze?
04:52<rudi_s>ryanc: Yep.
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04:53<reisio>how does installation from the businesscard image work if you have two disks and want to install to the second?
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04:54<jm_>it gives you the choice where you want to install it to
04:54<reisio>it's bothersome how both disks are listed in the partitioner above the 'write changes' item
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04:54<reisio>jm_: on the 'install base system' part?
04:55<jm_>reisio: during partitioing stage
04:55<reisio>when? After you do 'finish & write changes'?
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04:55<jm_>did you select manual mode?
04:55<reisio>yes
04:55<jm_>yeah should be after that
04:55<reisio>should be? :)
04:56<jm_>I don't remember 100% hence should be
04:56<reisio>if I do guided mode, I just select a disk?
04:56<ibou>salut
04:56<jet>Hi, I have compiled & installed gnash 0.8.8, but the iceweasel plugin does not appear in about:plugins, even when moved in ~/.mozilla/plugins/ Did I miss something?
04:56<reisio>jet: _compiled_?
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04:56<reisio>surely there's a deb
04:57<ryanc>Is PXE booting the squeeze installer and interacting with it over a serial console expected to work?
04:57<reisio>jet: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=gnash&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all
04:57<jet>reisio, for the latest version ?
04:57<reisio>yes, apparently
04:57<reisio>unsurprisingly
04:58<jm_>jet: but not for lenny
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04:58<jet>I'm runnning lenny.
04:58<reisio>jm_: I'll do guided if it's more straightforward, you can just pick the second disk and it'll leave the first entirely alone?
04:58<jet>so I must compile it, right?
04:58<jm_>reisio: I have no idea, I always use the manual method :)
04:58<reisio>jm_: oh dear :p
04:59<reisio>jm_: but you remember having used the manual partitioning on a second disk and the first was left alone?
04:59<reisio>jet: no, there are debs in the testing and unstable repos
04:59<jm_>reisio: ohh with manual I mean I use fdisk on tty2 then simply proceed with d-i
04:59<jm_>jet: yup
04:59<reisio>jm_: with d-i?
04:59<jm_>reisio: debian installer
05:00<jet>so there is a yes and a no, let's pick one of those two answers.
05:00<reisio>jm_: doesn't it still make you go through the parition/disk selection step/s?
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05:00<jm_>reisio: no, you can skip that - I could try it in virtualbox if you can't figure it out (maybe it needs advanced mode, it's been a while)
05:01<reisio>jet: http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/gnash/gnash_0.8.8-5_powerpc.deb
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05:01<jet>reisio, thanks, how did you find this link?
05:01<reisio>jet: packages.debian.org, though there certainly must be a way to get it without a web browser
05:01*reisio isn't all that familiar with Debian
05:01<reisio>jm_: k, thanks
05:03<jet>reisio, my lenny libs are too old for this package.
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05:03<reisio>jet: you can either update them or not use it
05:03<reisio>or yes, compile it, maybe
05:03<jet>which is done already
05:03<reisio>seems like a lot of trouble for something that will never be 100% compatible with Adobe's plugin
05:04<jet>yes but there is no linux ppc version for flash to my knowledge
05:04<reisio>oh right, forgot your arch already :p
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05:05<jet>so I have compiled gnash, installed it, but it seems like iceweasel don't care
05:05<reisio>what'd you put into ~/.mozilla/plugins, exactly?
05:06<jet>the whole collection of .so files
05:07<reisio>jet: can you name me one?
05:07<jet>libgnashcore-0.8.8.so
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05:07<jet>for instance
05:08<jm_>are you sure that's a good choice for those?
05:08<jet>I have no idea
05:08<reisio>jet: you could try installing the older version, then checking dpkg -L mozilla-plugin-gnash to see where things belong
05:08<reisio>and gnash, gnash-common, etc.
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05:08<reisio>I'm not sure where gnash things go
05:08<jm_>I guess they need to go to somewhere like /usr/local/lib
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05:09<jet>jm_, they are also there
05:09<jet>reisio, I'll give a try
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05:09<noumaan>What is the expected released date of Squeeze?
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05:10<amitz>"soon"
05:10<reisio>heh
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05:11<noumaan>will it be released this year?
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05:14<amitz>they try to but ... see bugs.debian.org. see release critical bugs link. iirc, the green graphic must be almost 0.
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05:15<amitz>http://bigs
05:15<amitz>bugs.debian.org/release-critical
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05:18<jm_>jet: and ldd on gnash standalone binary can find them?
05:18<jet>jm_, I don't understand, what do you want me to do ?
05:18<jet>which binary?
05:19<jm_>jet: ldd /path/to/gnash
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05:19<jet>well there's an output...
05:20<jm_>and it finds those libgnash libs?
05:20<jet>no.
05:21<jet>I don't think so
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05:21<jet> ldd /usr/bin/gnash ==> ldd: exited with unknown exit code (126)
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05:22<jm_>put it on pastebin
05:22<jet>for one line?
05:22<jm_>entire output
05:22<jet>this is the entire output.
05:22<jm_>and the binary actually is in /usr/bin?
05:22<jet>yes it is
05:22<jm_>hmm does ldd work for any other binaries?
05:23<jet>it works for my compiled gnash libs
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05:27<jm_>well no idea, I never really used powerc port - I also gave up on compiling gnash :)
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05:30<jet>thanks anyway
05:30<jet>I maybe should go unstable
05:30<jm_>can you run that gnash binary at all?
05:31<jet>yes, the software gnash does work
05:31<jm_>no need for that, it's also in squeeze
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05:32<jet>ok, let's go squeeze.
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06:16<babilen>Chris21: Please disable your (auto-) away actions
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06:20<doubledutch>Chris21; as per dpkg(bot): http://sackheads.org/~bnaylor/spew/away_msgs.html
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06:24<blocktree>how do I retrieve USB device name..I've got everything about my USB but name?
06:25<terang>Check dmesg
06:25<terang>And that should report the device name
06:25<babilen>blocktree: is it not listed by lsusb? You might want to google for the usb id or check http://wiki.debian.org/DeviceDatabase/USB
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06:26<amitz>let there be... light!
06:26<blocktree>terang: no dmesg dos not say much
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06:26<compaq>I have set up my debian box for virtual hosting, so I have setup two site. When I enter my ip in the url, I see one the site, but how do I see the other?
06:27<amitz>blo what do you mean by name?
06:27<blocktree>babilen: no nothing there only manufacturer
06:27<terang>compaq: maybe #apache would be better, but you need to alias the virtualhosts in your httpd.conf
06:27<classical>information goes to the swap when memory is up to 500 mb how can i change that ?
06:27<babilen>blocktree: Then please answer amitz's question
06:27<classical>i want to set it up to 700 mb
06:27<compaq>terang, huh, where is no such channel here
06:28<terang>Oh wherever #apache is then! Buuuut, I was just setting up the same thing on my box. So here: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/vhosts/
06:28<terang>compaq: I'm also assuming you're using Apache22
06:29<babilen>classical: play with /proc/sys/vm/swappiness (plenty of information on that on the interwebs)
06:29<compaq>terang, there isn't an apache2 channel either
06:29<blocktree>babilen: ok I got ID
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06:29<terang>compaq: then read that article I pasted to you.
06:29<babilen>!tell classical -about swappiness
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06:30<terang>babilen: What are all the commands for tell? Is it !tell $user -$VARIABLE?? $package ??
06:30<classical>thanks guys :-)
06:32<blocktree>amitz: that is good question...I'm tring to get pamusb running and man page says --add-device=name
06:33<babilen>terang: It is "{!,dpkg:} $user {-,}about $factoid" -- ! or dpkg: address dpkg, -about just informs you (the invoker) that $user has been told about $factoid, about will cause dpkg to send you the factoid as well
06:33<terang>Awesome, thankyou.
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06:34<jm_>babilen: you forgot "tell" :)
06:34<babilen>classical: Note that your system typically has good reasons for swapping (most likely not enough free memory ;) )
06:35<blocktree>amitz: got it.. lsusb is the answer
06:35<babilen>jm_: oops :)
06:35<babilen>terang: ^^^
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06:36<classical>babilen, i have 1gig
06:36<classical>and it swaps after 600 mb
06:36<classical>is used
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06:37<amitz>? perhaps just swap a little? linuxatemyram.xom
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06:45<classical>amitz, nope its a double size of ram
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06:46<amitz>ah, okay then. tinker with swappines then.
06:47<babilen>dpkg: free ram
06:47<dpkg>Unlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux tries to use free physical memory for caching files from disk which speeds up disk access considerably. Linux releases RAM from these caches if programs need it. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. Also ask me about <swapwake>.
06:48<babilen>classical: Understand ^^^ first though
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06:57<rpetre>"linuxatemyram.nom" would have been a funnier typo ;)
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07:02<amitz>and it will funnier to own ;-)
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07:11<bremner_>UrsoBranco: the bot here uses !. Try /query dpkg instead
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07:15<UrsoBranco>bremner_: thanks
07:17<Hotas>!webmin
07:17<dpkg>Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See http://bugs.debian.org/343897 about the removal from Debian. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality. See <free whcp> for alternatives.
07:17<babilen>UrsoBranco: And if you looking for help on Debian packaging you should ask dpkg about "nmg"
07:17<babilen>Hotas: Please /query the bot
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07:18<UrsoBranco>babilen: I've already read the nmg
07:19<UrsoBranco>babilen: I'm looking for a specific case
07:19<UrsoBranco>or a use case where
07:19<UrsoBranco>I can add a file to a specific tree
07:19<babilen>UrsoBranco: Great -- You might want to join #debian-mentors and ask in there (packaging related channel)
07:19<UrsoBranco>babilen: tks
07:19<babilen>!tell UrsoBranco -about mentors
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08:04<squills>anyone got any php knowledge, i was wondering how to handle a file name with spaces on linux
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08:06<amphi>quotes or escape the spaces with \
08:06<amphi>no idea about php ;)
08:06<koollman>squills: what's the exact problem ? php has no troubles with spaces
08:06<squills>no but linux seems too.
08:06<squills>ok ill explain..
08:06<jm_>no it doesn't
08:07<amphi>
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08:11<squills>i am trying to check for a file say it is "Some Name here.jpg" when it searches for it , i get errors, but same code with "samenamehere.jpg" it gives no errors... i can showyou the code ifyou wish its only about 6 lines
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08:11<squills>sorry phone rang..took me awhile to type 1 handed
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08:12<squills>this is the function
08:12<squills>function FormFileData($Name, $Value, $Type) {
08:12<squills> $File=file_get_contents($Value);
08:12<squills> $Value=basename($Value);
08:12<squills> return "Content-Disposition: form-data; name=\"$Name\"; filename=\"$Value\"\r\nContent-Type: $Type\r\n\r\n$File\r\n";
08:12<squills> }
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08:13<squills>doh.. ill past bin it
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08:18<squills>http://www.pastie.org/1257786
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08:22<ShutD0wN>Ola pessoal como instalo os drives de Video de uma placa sis?
08:23<jm_>!br
08:23<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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08:50<rneese>morning
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09:11<current_>hellp
09:12<current_>hello
09:13<devil>current_: just ask
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09:14<tash>he is being polite ^^
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09:28<bremner_>is there a tool in Debian that pulls bibtex references into a docbook-xml document?
09:29<Hotas>!swe
09:29<Hotas>!se
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09:33<babilen>bremner_: http://refdb.sourceforge.net/ looks good (haven't used it though)
09:33<bremner_>babilen: but not in debian yet?
09:33<@Ganneff>bremner_: go go go
09:34<babilen>bremner_: Not packaged yet -- you might want to package it, check ITPs and install it locally (/msg dpkg stow) in the meantime :)
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09:34<bremner_>babilen: ja ja, I know the drill.
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09:35*bremner_ regrets, again, his impulse to do one project in docbook just to see how it works.
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09:36<babilen>bremner_: http://www.lsv.ens-cachan.fr/~schmitz/code/bibdb/
09:36<babilen>bremner_: But check with #docbook over at freenode also
09:36<bremner_>there is also bib2db5; not sure if any of them are really alive.
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09:41<rneese>what ver of php5 is in lenny ?
09:41<rneese>is ith 5.3.3 or 5.3.2 ?
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09:41<@Ganneff>see packages.debian.org
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09:43<hyperthreatening>hi, I'm using sid, is the nouveau driver included capable of doing 3d hardware acceleration?
09:44<gsimmons>hyperthreatening: No.
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10:00<gob_bluth>can anybody explain to me the difference (and which would be better) between LVM2 and rsnapshot handling snapshots of a system ?
10:00<gob_bluth>we're using rsnapshot right now and it's just really IO intensive cause there's so many damn files
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10:15<bremner_>gob_bluth: lvm2 takes a snapshot of a file system, rather than a set of files. It is quite fast, but not as flexible. What are you trying to do with rsnapshot?
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10:31<Silicium01>Would I loose considerable amount of resources if I were to run a 32bit Debian on a 64bit processor system? i5 in this case
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10:35<amitz>Silicium01: not really, but memory larger than 3.X GB may be lost.
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10:36<Silicium01>amitz, the problem that I just encountered is that skype (a proprietary voip client ) won't work on it without ia32_libs
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10:37<Silicium01>and I was thinking who knows what else may not work in future
10:38<Silicium01>is ia32-libs only available in lenny>
10:38<Silicium01>?
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10:39<IseRider>Hi all. Where I can find russan channel about debian?
10:39<weasel>!ru
10:39<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net. or use English here.
10:40<weasel>hth
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10:41<MReimer>Someone here who can tell me if debian has patches for CVE-2010-3856
10:41<amitz>Silicium01: ia32libs is in squeeze at this moment.
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10:41<weasel>MReimer: http://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2010-3856
10:42<Silicium01>amitz, nice, let me install that
10:42<Silicium01>amitz, can you give me some direction on how to configure sound? It's not working
10:43<MReimer>weasel: Forwards to a debian bug, only covering cve-2010-3847. This bug also only has the patch for cve-2010-3847. This is, what confuses me. I also grepped over the source (with debian patch applied) for parts of the fix for cve-2010-3856 but didn't find anything.
10:43<Silicium01>amitz, when I do apt-cache search ia32libs it does not find it
10:43<amitz>ia32-libs, sorry :-p
10:43<MReimer>This would be the patch for CVE-2010-3856: http://sourceware.org/ml/libc-hacker/2010-10/msg00010.html
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10:44<amitz>~audio
10:44<weasel>MReimer: you could fetch both the old and new package and look at the diff
10:44<Silicium01>amitz, ia32-libs is also not being found by apt
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10:44<amitz>Silicium01: sorry, audio is a voodo art in linux ;-)
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10:45<Silicium01>amitz, is there a reason why my apt would not find the ia32-libs package?
10:46<amitz>aptitude update?
10:46<Silicium01>amitz, did that
10:47<amitz>squeeze? /etc/apt/sources.list is correct? I give up then.
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10:48<Silicium01>In sources I have: http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free
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10:49<amitz>I assume you install by aptitude install ia32-libs?
10:49<Silicium01>apt-cache search ia32-libs
10:49<lele>Hoola!Q
10:49<lele>ai alguien?
10:50<Silicium01>amitz, aptitude install ia32-libs does not find it either
10:50<lele>k ablaiss?
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10:50<lele>what? your speak englis or spanish?
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10:51<lele>Helo holla
10:51<amitz>I give up then. -_- Assuming /etc/apt/apt.conf doesn't direct you to a wrongly configured proxy.
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10:51<lele>Holaa?
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10:51<amitz>!es
10:51<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
10:52<lele>eii
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10:52<lele>what?
10:52<lele>o my god!
10:52<lele>charun
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10:52<charun>Oo
10:52<lele>ola
10:52<lele>charun
10:53<charun>hi
10:53<lele>your spaek english?
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10:53<charun>at least a little bit
10:53<lele>no te entiendo
10:53<lele>please speak spanish
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10:53<Silicium01>amitz, are you able to pull that file?
10:53<lele>one moment
10:54<Silicium01>How can I troubleshoot?
10:54<lele>the tradution
10:54<lele>ok?
10:54<lele>where you from?
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10:54<amitz>Silicium01: I did and running it now. I don
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10:54<amitz>'t have the energy to troubleshoot now, sorry -_-
10:54<lele>no entiendo
10:55<Silicium01>amitz, no problem, thanks
10:55<lele>ejje
10:55<lele>ok
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10:55<lele>im spaek spanish
10:55<lele>your?
10:56<lele>D:
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10:56<lele>hi
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10:56<lele>salicium
10:56<amitz>!es
10:56<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
10:57<lele>hii!!
10:58<lele>hi im lucia
10:58<lele>what your name?
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11:01<lele>hii!
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11:01<lele>hii!
11:02<lele>hello
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11:02<lele>hii!
11:02<lele>hoola
11:03<lele>ai alguien
11:03<lele>what!
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11:03<lele>pleasee!
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11:03<lele>hii
11:03<lele>massmc
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11:03<lele>hii! paggas!
11:04<lele>D:
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11:05<lele>There is someone who wants to be my friend?
11:06<lele>Or to chat with do I crumble?
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11:06<lele>no?
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11:09<lele>charun
11:09<lele>elek
11:09<lele>hi?
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11:12<lele>hi bodia
11:13<lele>hii
11:13<lele>hola
11:14<lele>please
11:15<lele>Please to speak itself
11:16<lele>hi!
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11:17<lele>hggdh hi
11:17<hggdh>lele: hello
11:18<lele>what your name?
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11:18<hggdh>lele: irelevant question, sorrry
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11:19<lele>ok
11:20<lele>I soi Spanish woman and you know it is difficult work to me to deal
11:21<lele>Do you understand me?
11:22<qq->!es-social
11:22<dpkg>Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
11:24<lele>hii
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11:25<lele>eii
11:25<lele>what
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11:26<lele>hi frippie!
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11:26<lele>hi kukunut!
11:27<lele>As these?
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11:28<lele>hablarme xfavor
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11:28<hggdh>!es-social | lele
11:28<dpkg>| lele: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
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11:29<lele>hggdh
11:29<lele>hi!
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11:30<babilen>lele: Please type: "/join #debian-es-cachondeo" and hit enter
11:31<lele>I do not speak Englishman speak Spanish but I am translating it
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11:31<babilen>lele: por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo.
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11:33<lele>Since I do it?
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11:36<lele>It is someone is?
11:37<lele>hii!
11:37<lele>hola
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11:38<lele>gin
11:38<lele>hi
11:38<gin>hi
11:39<lele>you spaek spanish
11:39<gin>si
11:40<lele>eres español o ingles?
11:40<gin>mmm de Costa Rica para ser exacto
11:40<lele>donde esta eso?
11:41<hggdh><sigh/>
11:41<amphi>heh
11:41<gin>creo que para hablar a español deberias pasarte al canal debian-es tambien estoy conectado alli
11:41<gin>America
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11:41<lele>yo no se
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11:42<babilen>lele: "/join #debian-es-cachondeo" por favor
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11:43<lele>pero como pongo eso!
11:44<lele>en?¿
11:44<hggdh>lele escribe: /join #debian-es-cachondeo
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11:45<lele>ya aora k?
11:45<hggdh>I give up
11:45<lele>no te entiendo
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11:46<qq->!lele troll
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11:47<jhutchins_lt>qq-: Does that actually work?
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11:48<qq-> .. lets see
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11:51<ag_the_king>Hi!
11:51<babilen>welcome
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11:53<lele>hi
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11:56<ag_the_king>I'm having problems with the network connection on an old laptop. I did a "false" install. Moved the disk to another computer and installed debian there and then finally moved the disk to the original laptop. But that doesn't seem to be a problem in it self as far as i can see. So my problem seem to be dhcp. It works when it's connected to my router but not when it's connected directly to the internet via a switch.
11:56<babilen>ag_the_king: I guess that your router hands out IP addresses via DHCP while your "direct" internet connection does not
11:56<ag_the_king>DHCP discovery, offer and request seems to work but i don't get a acknowledgement
11:57<ag_the_king>No my isp also uses dhcp
11:57<ag_the_king>I have several other computers that is connected directly to the internet to
11:57<EmleyMoor>Anyone managed to get BBC iPlayer desktop working on squeeze/amd64 yet?
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12:02<ag_the_king>I had a similar problem with my win7 desktop to but fixed it by switching to a legacy driver.
12:03<ag_the_king>The DHCP server of my isp seem to be sensitive to something?
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12:11<jhutchins_lt>ag_the_king: They will often try to lock down the MAC address for your connection.
12:11<jhutchins_lt>ag_the_king: They do that less these days though, and often allow a switch.
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12:12<jhutchins_lt>ag_the_king: It might help if we knew what chipset you were dealing with so we could see if there were driver issues as the Win7 issue suggests.
12:12<jhutchins_lt>ag_the_king: There are some pretty crappy chipsets out there.
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12:14<edl>Got everything workign great with wow now, except for the log on. i've tryed traceroute eu.logon.worldofwarcraft, no respons :p
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12:15<babilen>edl: You are aware of #winehq aren't you?
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12:19<edl>babilen, oh noes, i would have never thought of checking the dev page of the prog im using unless you've told me so. thx, awesome \o/
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12:21<babilen>edl: My sarcasm detector might be broken, but: "You are welcome" :-D
12:21<babilen>edl: (the channel is on FreeNode btw)
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12:24<edl>babilen, guess it's my sarcasm detector thats broken, thx.
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12:25<babilen>edl: you are happy?
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12:26<ag_the_king>jhutchins_lt, Atheros AR81** or something like that on my desktop. Still have some other problems with that with some games and game servers but nothing big, that's not really what i need help with right now. They do lock down to MAC adresses but you are allowed to connect ten computers, have to register them before the computer get's connected to the internet.
12:26<ag_the_king>I'm going to check on the chipset for the laptop
12:28<edl>babilen, well, not happy, since wow isnt working, but not unhappy :p
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12:42<ag_the_king>jhutchins_lt, realtek rtl8139 on the laptop
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12:52<speedvin>Hi!
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12:57<isaias>hi, someone can tell me whats the difference between debian and ubuntu?
12:57<cahoot>!why debian
12:57<dpkg>Debian strives to maintain your freedom whilst also paying close attention to the technical aspects of making a great OS. Debian is stable, upgradable and well tested. See also http://www.debian.org/intro/free http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ (archived at http://wiki.debian.org/WhyDebian) http://www.aboutdebian.com/ . As an added bonus, you get to ask questions in #debian.
12:58<isaias>my pc is 2.00 ghz, 2gb ram, 512 geforce, 550 hard drive, is this enough??
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12:59<cahoot>for what?
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12:59<mase>calculating PI?
13:00<elements1>Isalas: Yes, thats fine. Debian and Ubuntu basically use the same resources given the same packages.
13:00<elements1>So that hardware can handle either, I feel.
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13:01<isaias>i mean, i never try debian, just linux mint and ubuntu, but now i want debian and i read in google that debian is more diffcult than ubuntu
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13:02<mase>debian lets you more free options
13:02<ag_the_king>isaias, Was just going to say that it is :P I use ubuntu on my desktops/laptops and debian on my servers. But if you want controlled, a non bloated os and a free(open) os then debian would be a better alternative than ubuntu.
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13:04<babilen>isaias: Just try it and make up your own mind. I would suggest you ask our friendly bot about the following topics: "ig" "netinst" "reference" and other factoids mentioned in "grounding" -- e.g. /msg dpkg ig
13:05<ag_the_king>there is no loss in testing both :P
13:05<babilen>surely not
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13:07<babilen>isaias: You are always welcome to ask questions in here if you run into problems, but it is almost impossible to answer your question, because the choice of a specific distribution depends on a lot of factors. (And most people in here decided to use Debian, which might also introduce a certain bias)
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13:16<edl>got another nub question for you :P Cant get libldap install to work, i aparantly need it for wow to work.
13:17<mase>ldap for world of woorldcraft?
13:18<edl>yes, I am having a prob where i cant log into wow, searched around and found a solotuion including libldap, cant get it to install tho.
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13:23<babilen>edl: I have absolutely no idea why world of warcraft needs LDAP, but you can could try: "aptitude install libldap-2.4-2" -- What have you done and what is failing?
13:23<babilen>!bat
13:23<dpkg>In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
13:23<babilen>edl: ^^^ Please provide more information about your attempt
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13:24<edl>aye, indeed i will :D
13:25<mase>i did not even know there was a wow for linux
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13:25<babilen>mase: There is not (wine+world of warcraft)
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13:26<mase>even more confused about the need of ldap
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13:26<babilen>*shrug* who knows? (I doubt that it'll help though)
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13:27<babilen>But we can help with *debian* related problems (e.g. Can't install PKG1…PKGN) -- wine problems are outside the scope of this channel
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13:31<edl>The problem is, I am unable to log into WoW, so i searched on it and came across a solution wich is [ Install libldap (if you are using a 64-bit distro, make sure you have the
13:31<edl>> 32-bit equivalent).]
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13:32<edl>dho, just remembered i use swedish in console, any way i can change it to english ?
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13:33<cahoot>edl: LANG=C <command>
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13:35<edl>sweet thx. so here is the output of my aptitude install. http://pastebin.com/PiFCMv5P
13:36<mase>there is a space after libldap
13:36<babilen>edl: make that "aptitude install libldap-2.4-2" (note the "-")
13:36<cahoot>missing hyphen (libldap-2.4-2)
13:36<mase>first!
13:36<babilen>edl: But the article seems to suggest that you need the 32bit libs, or did I misunderstand that?
13:37<babilen>most useful!
13:37<edl>no that is correct, havent figured out how to install both 32 and 64 bit tho
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13:38<edl>So, should i allways use " - " or ( - ) on aptitude or was this a special case of some kind ?
13:38<mase>its just the name of the package
13:38<babilen>edl: In order to get the 32bit as well you have to install "ia32-libs"
13:39<babilen>edl: It packages (among a bunch of other libs) /usr/lib32/libldap-2.4.so.2
13:39<mase>edl are you even running a 64bit system?
13:39<edl>yes i am running amd64
13:39<cahoot>debian?
13:39<edl>debian indeed
13:39<edl>linux kernel
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13:41<edl>babilen, is it enough to just install "ia32-libs" or do i need to install the libldap-2.4-2 also ?
13:42<babilen>edl: No idea (it looks as if ia32-libs will suffice though) -- Hell, what do I know? Never touched WoW and have no idea how to get it running on Wine
13:42<babilen>Can't hurt to have both :)
13:43<edl>babilen, ok but i get bothe 32bit and 64bit libldap from ia32-libs ?
13:43<babilen>no
13:44<edl>ok, need to install ia32-libs first and then libldap-2.4-2. i understood it as i needed both 32bit and 64bit from that article.
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13:44<babilen>edl: You can install both packages at the same time
13:44<mase>i dont think there is a 32bit version of libldap available on the standard amd64 repositories
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13:45<babilen>mase: It is shipped in the "ia32-libs" package (/usr/lib32/libldap-2.4.so.2)
13:45<mase>oh, really, ok
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13:47<mase>yea, right, there it is :)
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13:47<edl>hehe cant even get ia32-libs to install, must be doing something wrong with syntax again :s
13:48<babilen>edl: Put it in a pastebin
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13:50<edl>babilen, tryed a ton of different ways but this is one of them. http://pastebin.com/u7cnJfSK
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13:51<mase>try without the 'i' and the 'A' first
13:52<edl>http://pastebin.com/vA1hdxqu
13:52<mase>seems its already installed
13:52<babilen>edl: They seem to be installed already
13:52<babilen>edl: dpkg -l ia32-libs
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13:54<edl>http://pastebin.com/YNST955Z
13:55<babilen>yep, installed
13:55<edl>only need to install the "libldap-2.4-2" then :P
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13:56<mase>lenny, hmm
13:56<babilen>.oO( It might be that your Wine version is too old as well ) -- Have you checked on the Wine website which version you need for WoW?
13:56<tobi>hey everyone :) i just installed the latest debian testing, but now i am not able to boot it. when i try, the screen is just filled with blinking lines. that alone doesnt surprise me that much, cause i've always had some problems with my grafic-card on linux unless i use a special driver, but the problem is that i cant even start debian in the rescue mode - same issue
13:57<babilen>tobi: Try booting with the "nomodeset" kernel command line parameter
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13:57<edl>babilen, ye the version im using is supposed to run wow platinum, and it does, it's just that i cant log onto wow servers. and the sound is kinda effy, works sometimes and sometimes it doesnt.
13:57<tobi>alright, thx, i'll be back if doesnt work :D
13:57<babilen>tobi: See http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModesetting for further information (I think it *might* be related to KMS)
13:57<babilen>tobi: Hang on .. one sec
13:57<tobi>yep
13:57<edl>anywsay, I'll reboot and see if this made any difference. thx a bunch for helping me out with this.
13:58<mase>tobi what card is it? (just for my interest)
13:58<babilen>tobi: When does this happen? Do you have blinking lines all the time? What kind of graphic card do you have? (more information please)
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13:58<babilen>edl: reboot?
13:58<babilen>*sigh*
13:59<tobi>i got a NVS3100M card
13:59<tobi>and the error appears as soon as grafics should appear
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14:00<mase>tried starting with kernel parameter "S"
14:00<babilen>tobi: You turn on the computer and the monitor goes wild? (you don't see grub? BIOS?)
14:00<tobi>no no, the system seems to be booting properly
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14:01<tobi>but as soon as i should see the login screen or something
14:01<tobi>the monitor goes wild (and stays like that)
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14:01<babilen>tobi: Ok, that makes a *huge* difference
14:01<tobi>mh okay, then i'm glad i stayed a couple of more seconds :P
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14:03<tobi>the same error appeared when i installed the wrong driver on my current system, which is a linux mint distribution, but in that case i was still able to boot the system in safety mode
14:03<babilen>tobi: Boot single user mode, log into a text console and paste /var/log/Xorg.0.log to a pastebin (use e.g. "pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log" to do so)
14:04<babilen>tobi: You might also want to install irssi (a console IRC client) and come here ...
14:04<babilen>are you comfortable on the console? (e.g. do you know how to switch to a different console?)
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14:05<tobi>not quite an expert, but i should be alright
14:05<tobi>thanks so far babilen :)
14:05<mase>tobi do you think its a driver error or just wrong frequencies?
14:05<mase>for monitor
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14:06<tobi>i'm not sure, the only thing i know is that the problem was solved by installing the correct driver - but as i cant even boot the safety mode, maybe the frequency is wrong as well
14:07<mase>ok, try the singlemode stuff (kernel parameter 'S')
14:07<babilen>tobi: Try to boot into single user mode and come here with irssi -- we can take it from there. (BUT: I'll leave soon)
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14:08<tobi>k, cu in a minute then
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14:11<babilen>yeah
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14:12<ag_the_king>fuck it... I'll let it connect to the internet though the router :O
14:13<babilen>!tell ag_the_king about sex
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14:15<ag_the_king>babilen, Better than my sex ed in school
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14:21<babilen>tobi: welcome back :)
14:21<tobi>yeah thx.. didnt really get into the single user mode though :/
14:21<tobi>back in my old dis now
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14:22<tobi>i am able to access the files of my debian system from here as well
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14:22<tobi>so, couldnt i just try to fix the problem that way?
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14:23<tobi>otherwise i'll try to get in the single user mode again - not quite sure if i just did something wrong, never tried to boot that way before
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14:27<tobi>well i'll be right back again
14:27<babilen>tobi: Sorry, I have to leave. But short: You are using a Linux distribution right now that works fine and you can access your Debian files?
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14:29<edl>still no luck :p
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14:30<edl>Seems like the latest wine is 1.3.6, but the newest i can get a old of in debian is 1.1.42 :s
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14:31<mase>edi thought about an upgrade to squeeze or something?
14:31<qwd>edl: yep
14:32<qwd>mase: squeeze has 1.0.1, wines own repo has 1.1.42
14:32<edl>thinking about arch, they allways have the newest there is right ?
14:33<qwd>edl: right, if you always want the newest version then debian is probably not for you.
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14:35<patrick>oracle updated java to update 22 is there activity to bring this update to lenny?
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14:36<babilen>,version wine
14:36<babilen>,versions wine
14:36<judd>Package wine on i386 -- etch: 0.9.25-2.1; etch-backports: 1.0.0-1~bpo40+1; lenny: 1.0.1-1; sid: 1.0.1-3+b1; squeeze: 1.0.1-3+b1; experimental: 1.1.24-2
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14:37<tobi>hey guys, it's me again. i went to get another laptop, cause think i already need your help for getting into the single user mode
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14:38<mAniAk->its easy to do that tho
14:39<tobi>:/ here's what i'm doing:
14:39<mAniAk->why are you going to go into single btw
14:40<qwd>http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=585409 #585409 Please package wine1.2 series
14:40<tobi>ah, you didnt read that.. my problem is that i just installed the latest debian testing, but can't get into it. when i wanna start it, it seems to boot normally, but as soon as the first graphics should appear my monitor goes all wild and i only see blinking lines
14:40<tobi>doesnt matter if i try to start it in the recovery mode or not
14:41<tobi>i do in fact know this error (at least i think so), cause on the distribution i used before the same error appeared when i had a wrong grafic driver. i still could use the recovery mode back then though
14:42<tobi>anyway, babilen earlier told me i should try get into the single user mode first, so thats what im trying to do at the moment
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14:43<tobi>so, what exactly do i have to do to get there? my other laptop is currently showing me the start screen of the GRUB bootloader
14:43<mase>tobi does the ALT-CTRL-F1 stuff work?
14:43<tobi>no, it doesnt
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14:45<tobi>so currently i am in the main menu of my grub. what i did before was to select the recovery mode thing and press "e" to edit the commands
14:46<diederik>tobi: no need to edit the command, recovery mode = single-user mode
14:46<diederik>so press enter to start debian in single mode
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14:46<tobi>ah okay. thats what irritated me anyway, cause theres already a "single" at the end of the line i intended to eidt
14:46<tobi>mh okay, that doesnt work then
14:47<tobi>i do have access to my debian partition though, got another distribution running on another partition
14:47<tobi>couldnt i try fix the problem from there?
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14:48<tobi>if you guys need any more information, just tell me. the grafic card used is a NVS3100m and i dont think it is supported out of the box
14:49<diederik>tobi: "that doesn't work" you mean the kernel doesn't work?
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14:49<tobi>to me, everything seems to load properly
14:50<tobi>but at the point where i expect the loginscreen to appear, my monitor runs wild
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14:51<mAniAk->strange that ctrl+alt+f# isnt working
14:51<tobi>yeah, that confuses me as well. would that be working if the frequency was wrong?
14:52<tobi>if that helps in any way, i could make a video from the whole startup an upload it
14:52<mase>:D
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14:54<mAniAk->id suggest you to use a livecd, mount that partition and remove the config for X
14:54<mAniAk->or maybe try another dist
14:54<mAniAk->http://www.robo47.net/blog/197-Setting-up-Linux-Debian-Squeeze-on-a-Dell-Latitude-E6510-with-Nvida-Quadro-NVS-3100M-and-1920x1080-Display
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14:54<mAniAk->heres a guy using the same graphics card and debian
14:55<tobi>whyever my browser doesnt want to open any websites at the moment - is it working for him?
14:55<mAniAk->yes
14:55<mAniAk->by the looks of it
14:56<tobi>so there is hope, nice to hear :D
14:56<mAniAk->ubuntu seems to have the same problem
14:57<tobi>yeah, when i bought the laptop ubuntu didnt work for me as well. i tried linux mint then and that worked
14:58<tobi>i still have linux mint installed on the affected laptop, so i can change and delete the configs of debian without a live cd
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14:59<tobi>mh. thats trange
14:59<tobi>why is my X11 folder empty? :o
15:00<mAniAk->i think theyre trying to move away from it
15:00<mAniAk->iirc
15:00<tobi>or at least the only thing inside is another folder "xkb", which is empty as well
15:00<mAniAk->did you boot the debian?
15:00<tobi>no, can't boot that - i'm in linux mint and accesing the debian-files
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15:01<mAniAk->ah
15:01<mAniAk->well you can try what he did
15:01<mAniAk->set driver to vesa
15:01<mAniAk->copy paste from the webpage
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15:04<mAniAk->if your screen supports 1920x1080 you can just copy paste all of it
15:04<tobi>do you know where the config files are located then?
15:04<tobi>if they arent in /X11
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15:05<mAniAk->/etc/X11
15:05<mAniAk->is where i have mine in debian
15:05<tobi>hm...
15:05<mAniAk->capital X
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15:06<tobi>yeah i'm in the right directory
15:06<tobi>but its empty...
15:06<mAniAk->make a config then
15:06<tobi>maybe there was an error while installing then after all?
15:06<tobi>k i'll try that
15:06<mAniAk->oh
15:06<mAniAk->wait
15:06-!-chk [~hellkitte@178.120.57.141] has joined #debian
15:06<mAniAk->do the steps above first
15:07<mAniAk->and you cant since your not in dedian -.-
15:07<tobi>:D
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15:07<retrospectacus>tobi: that's normal, just create xorg.conf and put your vesa config there
15:07<mAniAk->well create it and paste
15:07<mAniAk->should work
15:07<tobi>i really dont like today... nothing is working >:(
15:07<tobi>okay
15:07<mAniAk->hopefully youll get some pretty pictures
15:08<tobi>yeah wish me some luck :)
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15:11<jelqui>hi everybody, i have a problem with the grub only start with the pen drive of install, to start debian ?
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15:12<tobi>didnt work =/
15:12<tobi>oh well
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15:13<tobi>i'll go for a walk with my dog now, need to clean my mind a bit ;)
15:13<speedvin>jelqui: install grub to the disk that on debian is installed
15:13<lele>Hi
15:13<tobi>cu later if you're still there dann
15:13<speedvin>lele: Hi
15:13<lele>i speak spanish
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15:13<lele>you?
15:14<speedvin>lele: No I don't ;)
15:14<jelqui>lele yo escribo espanish
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15:14<qq->!es-social
15:14<dpkg>Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
15:14<jelqui>ok
15:14<lele>Hello to the two
15:15<jelqui>well i need help
15:15<lele>I sit it if I am late in writing it is that I have to translate ok?
15:16<lele>speedvin?
15:16<jelqui>speedvin, and so what I did aptitude install grub2
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15:17<speedvin>lele: ok ;)
15:17<speedvin>jelqui: grub-setup /dev/sda1 ;)
15:18<lele>who old are you?
15:19<lele>speedvin?
15:19<jelqui>speedvin, i did and grub-setup: warn: Attempting to install GRUB to a partition instead of the MBR. This is a BAD idea..
15:20<lele>please your speak spanish?
15:20<lele>jelqui
15:20<lele>speak sapanish
15:20<jelqui>lele yes
15:21<lele>ai alguien k able español por akii?
15:21<jelqui>si
15:21<lele>oi
15:21<lele>esk de traducir me arto
15:21<jelqui>lele escribe esto /join #debian-es
15:22<jelqui>nos vemos ahi
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15:22<speedvin>jelqui: grub-setup /dev/sda
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15:23<speedvin>lele: I'm 17 ;D
15:24<lele>aa ok!
15:24<lele>speedvin you from american?
15:24<jelqui>speedvin, yea i did and apparently all right, that's it reboot the machine ?
15:24<qq->lele, stop it
15:25<lele>for that?
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15:28<lele>byeeE!
15:29<jelqui>lele, you need he?
15:29<lele>in spanish
15:29<jelqui>i see in debian-es
15:30<lele>k si necesito k?
15:30<jelqui>algo ?
15:30<jelqui>ayuda ?
15:30<lele>no wen
15:30<lele>adios
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15:34<retrospectacus>what is it with hablantes...
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15:37<kop>retrospectacus: There's a lot of them in the right time zone?
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15:44<retrospectacus>yeah time zone IDT
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15:59<lwithers_>hi, can anybody recommend a program for testing disks and USB flash drives? something like badblocks but a bit more comprehensive?
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15:59<supplicant>lwithers_: smartmontools offers a good amount of data, IIRC
16:00<lwithers_>yes, but I'd like to do some read/write tests, measure I/O speed, etc.
16:00<supplicant>ah
16:00<lwithers_>we've had a batch of bad USB sticks recently that passed a cursory exam but fail once you really started to use them
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16:01<supplicant>hdparm can do speed
16:02<kop>lwithers_: bonnie++
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16:02<supplicant>true
16:02<supplicant>http://www.coker.com.au/bonnie++/
16:02<mase>lwithers_ you can use "dd" for speed testst, but you have to set the block size quite high
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16:03<lwithers_>yep, I'm putting together a little disk test station, just wondered if anyone had done the hard work of gluing the various bits and pieces together already
16:03<lwithers_>one thing I found today was that a device could pass multiple full sequential reads with dd but would fail in fairly short order with random reads (e.g. rsyncing off a fragmented FAT32 filesystem)
16:03<kop>supplicant: aptitude install bonnie++ at least on lenny
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16:04<supplicant>kop: I figured I'd give him something to read about first
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16:05<lwithers_>it looks pretty good, thank you both
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16:20<fabricio>boa tarde
16:20<supplicant>!br
16:20<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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17:37<zophy>hi
17:37<zophy>can we talk ?
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17:37<@Ganneff>no
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17:38<@Ganneff>this is not a chat channel, its for support about debian. should you have a question about that -> /msg dpkg ask and then follow that.
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17:55<tash>zophy: there's a #debian-offtopic
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17:56<Elessar>Hello.
17:57<Elessar>Are there some X.Org gurus here? I am getting a problem that looks like bug #600280: my XKBOPTIONS setting is not taken into account by X.Org.
17:58<Elessar>No /etc/X11/xorg.conf. Only /etc/default/keyboard.
17:59<Elessar>XKBOPTIONS is corretly taken into account by udev (grep XKBOPTIONS /dev/.udev/db/input:event* → /dev/.udev/db/input:event0:E:XKBOPTIONS=compose:menu,terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp).
18:01<Elessar>But X.Org seems to ignore it (no compose(menu) in setxkbmap -print's output).
18:01-!-gio [~GioFullMe@189.14.239.109] has joined #debian
18:01<Elessar>(no terminate(ctrl_alt_bksp) either, by the way)
18:01<gio>...
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18:04<Elessar>No GNOME stuff running, neither KDE or any desktop environment messing with X.Org settings.
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18:15<chaosdiablo>hi
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18:16<chaosdiablo>every time i try to install debian on my ASUS A9rp laptop, it freezes during partitioning my hdd
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18:18<chaosdiablo>what can i do?
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18:22<Elessar>Okay, for the problem I have exposed, I have just discovered that my XKBOPTIONS are taken into account correctly when I do not use gdm3 but directly startx from the console. So I guess gdm3 itself is messing with xkb settings.
18:25<Elessar>I am feeling that GNOME is becoming a bad citizen with X.Org.
18:25<jhutchins>Elessar: Um, you seem to BE the resident X.Org guru.
18:25<Elessar>In fact my problem is the same as #590534. I shall complete it.
18:25<Elessar>Erf.
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18:26<clayton>Hello! ...
18:26<Elessar>The bug is with gdm3, not with X.Org, in fact. A display manager that changes X.Org keyboard settings, what a mess...
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18:28<clayton>I have a problem with connection between Openswan on Debian and Firewall Cisco Pix 550E ... can someone help me... I'm from Brazil ...
18:29<jhutchins>Elessar: Easily address - what are there, five different dm's?
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18:30<chaosdiablo>my debian starts with wrong display settings, so i cant see gdm. can somebodyhelp me? X -configure didnt work
18:31<clayton>Chaosdiablo .... X --config :1
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18:32<chaosdiablo>means the same and doesn't work al all
18:32<chaosdiablo>*at all
18:32<Predator>Bonsoir a toutes et tous
18:32<Predator>;) ^
18:32<qq->!fr
18:32<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net.
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18:32<chaosdiablo>Monitor says: Mode not supported"
18:32<Predator>Tank you
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18:33<clayton>so... chaosdiablo...
18:34<chaosdiablo>i already changed the frequencies in /etc/X11/xorg.conf but it didnt work
18:35<Predator>Thank you for the info very good evening has you all and all bye
18:35<clayton>but u can generate a new xorg.conf compatible with your pc or notebook...
18:35<clayton>with this command ...
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18:35<chaosdiablo>i tried that and it didnt work
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18:36<chaosdiablo>I have an ATI Radeon HD 4550
18:36<clayton>sorry chaosdiablo...
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18:37<clayton>you have to run ... X -configure :1
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18:37<clayton>and then you'll create a file xorg.conf.new
18:37<chaosdiablo>iknow
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18:38<clayton>rename it to xorg.conf and move to /etc/X11/
18:38<clayton>restart your X server and test please..;
18:39<chaosdiablo>how can i rename and move a file using the shell?
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18:39<clayton>mv xorg.conf.new xorg.conf && mv xorg.conf /etc/X11/
18:39<chaosdiablo>ok thx
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18:41<chaosdiablo><- is rebooting, and testing
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18:41<clayton>ok...
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18:56<clayton>can someone help with connection between Cisco Pix 550-E and Openswan on debian?
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18:58<chk>nobody can.
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18:59<chk>we see no problem
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19:01<chaosdiablo>here i am again
19:01<chaosdiablo>it didnt work
19:01<variable_>does any body knows where can i find gnome login themes (with browser feature)? thanks.
19:01<blackshirt>i think at gnome-look.org
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19:04<jhutchins_lt>chaosdiablo: BTW no need for seperate rename & move commands, you just specify the full path for the resulting file.
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19:06<jhutchins_lt>!tell chaosdiablo about radeon
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19:20<jefferson_hope>Hello people here
19:20<jefferson_hope>May be somebody knows why I can't join to #debian on irc.freenode.net?
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19:21<jefferson_hope>I get this message: *** #debian Cannot join channel (+r) - you need to be identified with services
19:21<terang>You need to register on freenode
19:21<terang>do something like /msg nickserv help
19:21<retrospectacus>exactly
19:21<jefferson_hope>I'm newbie in IRC :))
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19:23<jefferson_hope>Simple question: why I can to join to #ubuntu without identification??
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19:25<retrospectacus>jefferson_hope: they have lower standards in #ubuntu :P
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19:25<retrospectacus>they just let anyone in
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19:26<jefferson_hope>retrospectacus: :) I don't think so
19:26<qq->why ask, if you know ..
19:28<jefferson_hope>Question: somebody have any troubles with Ali Corp. m5602 built-in webcam?
19:31<retrospectacus>jefferson_hope: what's lspci -nn say about it?
19:32<retrospectacus>or lsusb
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19:36<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building.
19:37<retrospectacus>:)
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19:41<variable_>I need some explanation on one odd behavior of how debian writes file to usb stick. 1. step. I create a new txt file on desctop. 2. I insert usb stick in pc. 3 I drag-and-drop that txt file on usb. 4. I pull of usb stick from pc witout unmount and then put it back. The problem is that, there is no txt file on that usb stick! But Why? I did cop/paste - and behavior was the same :[
19:43<variable_>but if i do cope/paste and do unmount then i works fine :/
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20:00<jgoppert>Is it possible to have one rsa ssh key work with two names, on my local machione I'm user@localhost, and on this remote machine I'm user@remote, The remote machine is a hosting a git repository, and it keeps denying my login even though I gave it the public key for user@localhost, but it prompts for password of user@remote ?? help?
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20:26<qq->jgoppert, http://live.debian.net/manual/en/html/live-manual.html#1.3.1
20:28<jgoppert>qq-: thanks, i think I've followed that process, to submit my public key though I have to use a webform, if it has my public key it shouldn't be asking for a password correct?
20:29<qq->jgoppert, usually
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20:35<jgoppert>qq-: thanks for the help
20:35<qq->np
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21:22<nsb>Would someone be able to offer some assistance?
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21:24<qq->nsb, for ?
21:24<compaq>nsb, the irc etiquite is just to ask a question. Asking to ask is considering rude.
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21:24<nsb>Sorry my first time in here
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21:25<compaq>nsb, just wanted to let you know, anyway, ask the question already
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21:26<nsb>Im thinking of how to ask it
21:26<nsb>haha
21:26<nsb>Im not using debian but crunchbang I could not find help anywhere else
21:27<nsb>I need to install cryptsetup but its not in the sources
21:27<nsb>I did a text install with encrypted LVM
21:27<mrdaweed>hi, how can i conect to free node?
21:27-!-compaq [~compaq@d24-36-11-96.home1.cgocable.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
21:27<nsb>and I had to add the modules in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules myself
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21:28<qq->!crunchbang
21:28<dpkg>CrunchBang Linux is a Live CD distribution originally based on <Ubuntu>, now based on Debian as of version 10, featuring the <Openbox> window manager. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.crunchbanglinux.org/ #crunchbang on irc.freenode.net. See <based on Debian>.
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21:28<nsb>and now I just need to install cryptsetup but the sources.list only had security.debian.org/ squeeze/upsates main
21:28<bremner_>!tell nsb -about crunchbang
21:28<nsb>thanks
21:29<bremner_>oops.
21:29<nsb>I'll go there
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21:30<Silicium01>how can I force installer to install 32 bit version?
21:31<mrdaweed>hello did any one know some abouth aircrack
21:31<mrdaweed>?
21:33<mrdaweed>i have a cuestion why some times i autentificate with an ruter but it dosent answer the get data by the aireplay-ng -3 -b {bssid} mon0
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22:44<amakusa>hello, I'm trying to use recordmydesktop, it records video properly but the sound captured by the microphone breaks frequently, anyone knows what might be going on? Debian Sid Amd64
22:45<kop>!sid
22:45<dpkg>sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. Sid is the destructive kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in; sid is not supported in #debian because sid users should be able to solve their own problems. Sid will never be released. See also <sid faq> <unstable>.
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22:46<kop>Still, someone may help....
22:46<alvarezp>amakusa: have you tried nicing it?
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22:48<amakusa>alvarezp, kop, yeah I've tried, and actually everything works, even sound quality, but it still breaks up frequently, and it was doing the same thing before I upgraded to sid
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23:22<Jtemp>hello. i am a complete semi-noob.... does anybody know much about sakis3g?
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23:29<Talon>how do you change your broadcasted device name in debian? (wireless) like Ubuntu reports to my router in attached devices as "Ubuntu", debian reports as "UNKNOWN" and windows reports to the router as whatever you configure your computer name to be.
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23:31<hck>hi
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23:48<Silicium01>Alright, second week of pulling hair and still not able to have a working laptop with Debian :)
23:48<Silicium01>here's my new strategy, find out what laptops people have with working debian on it and buy that!
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23:49<Silicium01>Does anyone here have a Debian compatible laptop?
23:50<kop>Silicium01: People always say get a thinkpad.
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23:51<Silicium01>kop, how are the new models?
23:51<Silicium01>any good?
23:51<Silicium01>I mean, still compatible?
23:51<kop>Silicium01: No clue. I assume so but am not the one to ask.
23:51<Silicium01>kop, ok, thanks
23:52<Silicium01>dpkg thinkpad
23:52<dpkg>[thinkpad] one of the best laptops you can buy, or a thing that dies when your car hits it, according to abrotman. Some models restrict MiniPCI card use, see http://thinkwiki.org/wiki/Problem_with_unauthorized_MiniPCI_network_card . See also <hdapsd>, <martian>, <mwavem>, <slmodem>, <synaptics>, <tpb>, <trackpoint>. http://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Thinkpad http://www.thinkwiki.org/ ##ibmthinkpad on irc.freenode.net.
23:52<kop>Silicium01: There's also linuxlaptops.org. Buy one pre-installed from eracks.com, or someplace recommended by lxer.com.
23:53<Silicium01>kop, I'm in Canada
23:53<kop>Silicium01: They ship I'm sure.
23:53<Silicium01>kop, ok I'll take a look. thanks
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23:54<kop>Silicium01: lxer.com is keeping a list of pre-installers. IIRC. And I've dealt with eracks. (And otherwise have nothing to do with them.)
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23:55<Silicium01>kop, where on lxer do I find the list?
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