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00:30<amakusa>hello. I uninstall wine but it refuses to dissapear from the menu in the gnome panel, anyone know what's happening?
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00:34<Nemoder>amakusa: maybe some leftover files in your ~/.local/share/applications folder
00:35<jordanm>amakusa: also, applications install to ~/.wine, so those get left behind
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00:36<NightCore>Is there a way I can have empathy remember my account name but not my password?
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00:40<amakusa>Nemoder, jordanm, .local had files that needed deletion, I had already deleted .wine, thanks to both
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01:18<dominick>hi! I was wondering can I use "dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb" to make a clone of my hard disk?
01:19<jpinx-eeepc>if the geometry is exactly the same
01:20<dominick>jpinx-eeepc, I intend to use the hard disk on the same machine as I suspect the old hard disk is failing. Can I use it in this case?
01:21<jpinx-eeepc>if the two disks have identical geometry
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01:44<dominick>jpinx-eeepc, I didn't quite understand what the geometry you meant!
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01:46<cslater>is there a way to tell preseed to pull the bits from a local cd rather than a network mirror?
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02:20<valdyn>dominick: theres no geometry, this works if sdb is big enough
02:21<dominick>valdyn, okay!
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02:21<dominick>what if I shrink the home partition so that the partitioned space is less than sdb? Will it work then?
02:22<valdyn>dominick: sdb needs to be big enough as I said, not same size
02:23<dominick>valdyn, oh! Is there any other way to clone my hdd safely?
02:23<valdyn>dominick: not really
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02:25<dominick>valdyn, what I meant previously is that, sda is 120GB, and sdb is 80GB. I'll can shrink the home partition on sda so that the total partitioned space on sda is 58GB. Can I do a "dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb" then?
02:25<dominick>ignore the grammar!
02:26<valdyn>dominick: yea, dd will abort with an error at the end, but if no partition is there it doesnt matter
02:26<dominick>valdyn, thanks!
02:28<dominick>valdyn, that means I need to make sure that all the partitions are done at the beginning of the hda!
02:29<valdyn>dominick: not exactly
02:29<valdyn>dominick: the sum of the partition sizes must not exceed the size of sdb
02:30<valdyn>dominick: if parttiions have empty space between them you do something like:
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02:31<valdyn>dominick: partition sdb with fdisk; dd if=sda1 of=sdb1; dd if=sda2 of=sdb2 ; etc..
02:32<valdyn>dominick: all trivial, just think about it
02:33<dominick>valdyn, oh! okay! So I can clone partition by partition! I'll try them both! the entire hdd and then partition by partition!
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04:03<lele>Hi gdb
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04:04<lele>gdb As these?
04:06<lele>I am Spanish do not understand you
04:06<gdb>Howdy = "Hi" or "Hello"
04:07<lele>You can speak Spanish
04:08<@Ganneff>not in here.
04:08<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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04:08<gdb>I believe there's a .. yeah, #debian-es channel.
04:10<lele>yok se
04:10<lele>#debian-es chanel
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04:12<johnsamuel>Hi all, where can I find Debian 3.0 Woody download link
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04:13<dpkg>Woody is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 3.0, released on July 19, 2002. Ask me about <woody->sarge>. Security support for woody was terminated on 2006-06-30. Woody was archived on 2007-01-10, ISOs are available from . Ask me about <woody sources.list>.
04:13<lele>meterse en ablr en español xfavor
04:13<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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04:14<johnsamuel>dpkg: thank you
04:14<dpkg>de nada, johnsamuel
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04:16<johnsamuel>dpkg: is x86 enough for IBM x3200 with 4GB RAM ?
04:16<dpkg>johnsamuel: I give up, what is it?
04:16<@Ganneff>johnsamuel: you dont want to use woody.
04:17<johnsamuel>Ganneff: I want to use postgresql 7.2 on Woody
04:17<@Ganneff>err. why?
04:18<johnsamuel>the developer fears that his application will break if db is upgraded ;)
04:18<@Ganneff>and you might be better off getting that compiled on a newer debian release than getting woody installed.
04:19<@Ganneff>you should kick the developer then and get a competent one
04:19-!-mode/#debian [-b *!*lele@78.136.116.*] by Ganneff
04:19<@Ganneff>he insists on using something thats out of security (and any other) support for a score of years
04:20<@Ganneff>honestly, this doesnt show a single bit of competence.
04:20<@Ganneff>an upgrade test on a new machine is not that hard.
04:20<johnsamuel>Ganneff: so you suggest to use psql 7.2 on lenny
04:20<convbsd>howto ask debhelper something please ?
04:21<@Ganneff>johnsamuel: no, i suggest doing a proper upgrade to a recent postgres. but if you really want to give in to this [censored] developer, then yes, i would use that old crap on a recent os, if you get it compiled
04:21<@Ganneff>convbsd: what do you want?
04:21<convbsd>only to remmeber how to do this
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04:22<johnsamuel>Ganneff: its an intranet server. No internet connectivity. security doesn't matter to developer and client ;)
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04:23<@Ganneff>johnsamuel: ok. shoot them both.
04:23<@Ganneff>(most attacks happen from inside, not outside)
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04:24<johnsamuel>Ganneff: searching for a good ggun. cheap price ;)
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04:25<dutchfish>Ganneff: have you tried to use a postgre backend on the dif machine, changing that inside the app isnt that hard, so you can cut the upgrade into 2 parts, ie the backend first?
04:27<dutchfish>sorry that was ment for johnsamuel
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04:27<johnsamuel>dutchfish: yup
04:28<johnsamuel>dutchfish: the DB is a diff server
04:29<johnsamuel>dutchfish: I will try to convince the server owners and will do an entire upgradation (psql+debian) :)
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04:31<dutchfish>johnsamuel: in what language is the app written btw?
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04:38<dutchfish>johnsamuel: i am asking this because i did simular stuff and if it is not written in some exotic language postgre has a very stable API and wouldnt be that hard to upgrade if it is coded well.
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04:41<johnsamuel>dutchfish: JAVA app on Windows 98 nodes
04:44<gdb>In that case, it's just using JDBC and will likely run fine on any version of PostgreSQL.
04:44<dutchfish>johnsamuel: i dont see that much problems then
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04:48<cWeLLe>who know how can i hack computer on bt4 final?
04:50<cahoot>cWeLLe: wrong channel
04:50<ansgar>cWeLLe: By using an axe. And backtrack is not supported on #debian.
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04:51<cahoot>alsa asking for instructions doesn't make you a l33t cracker
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04:55<johnsamuel>dutchfish: ic. the db has only tables nothing else. so no problem in migration. right?
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04:59<Cypris>im trying to use apt-get to install simple-cdd as suggested on debians wiki page for simple-cdd, but its saying its not found even after updating apt-get, can anyone assist me in correcting this
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05:01<devil>Cypris: i could install it from sid
05:01<devil>and§ion=all says its also in stable
05:02<devil>Cypris: check your sources.list
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05:06<Cypris>thanks devil
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06:05<OsirisX>Bonjour wizart, ca va?
06:05<wizart>Bien bien merci et toi ? =)
06:05<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
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06:06<OsirisX>bien merci aussi
06:07<wizart>Ah mince faut aller sur l'autre serveur pour parler Français -_-"
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06:09<wizart>Je cherche à installer debian pour m'amuser avec
06:09<wizart>enfin découvrir cette variante
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06:36<Cypris>im working on creating a custom debian install cd. im using simple-cdd (at the current moment anyways). i got this idea from the Untangle Gateway installation cd which uses simple-ccd, but im not seeing a way to change the images in the graphical installer that untangle did (instead of a "Debian GNU/Linux" logo it has the untangle logo). can someone point me in the right direction on how to change this
06:37<dba>we have a hook in live-build to do that,
06:37<dba>you might want to adapt it.
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06:41<dutchfish>Can someone explain this (squeeze/x86_64 | openssh-server 1:5.5p1-5+b1) [ 60.162060] sshd (2295): /proc/2295/oom_adj is deprecated, please use /proc/2295/oom_score_adj instead. ?
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06:47<valdyn>dutchfish: it means what it sais, dont worry about it
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06:49<dutchfish>valdyn: it did occur after latest update of the package, before i have not seen it (->b1)
06:49<dutchfish>valdyn: thanks
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06:52<valdyn>dutchfish: interfaces like this are changed and deprecated all the time, but that doesnt cause breaking unless the ssh developers take years to fix it, which in case of ssh seems impossible
06:53<dutchfish>valdyn: already guessed that, since i can't understand its implications i'd rather ask.
06:55<valdyn>dutchfish: maybe its new in debian that ssh sets the oom killer to not kill it.
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06:55<valdyn>dutchfish: thats great anyway
06:55<dutchfish>valdyn: ok
06:56<dutchfish>valdyn: at least its the last one i want to loose
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06:58<dutchfish>valdyn: thanks again
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07:12<timon>hello :)
07:12<dutchfish>valdyn: you where right sshd now unconditionally makes itself non-OOM-killable
07:12<dutchfish>valdyn: since 1:5.4p1-1
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07:15<wkf5566>anybody here?
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07:17<timon>quite a lot of people here :)
07:17<amphi>over 400
07:17<wkf5566>my ylmfos
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07:18<timon>I've got two jobs to do right now, one someone in here might be able to help me with and one I've got to figure out alone ;)
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07:19<timon>(1) find eggs, bake cake - my problem
07:19<timon>(2) configure my laptop for multiple networking environments
07:19<wkf5566>my ylmfos often could not enter the system
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07:23<timon>I'm not quite sure where to start with configuring my laptop for multiple network environments, so I'll describe the situation
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07:25<timon>Situation 1: At College -- Using a wireless connection and a very restrictive proxy; http and https only. I've got to use ntlmaps and set $http_proxy to localhost:ntlmaps-port
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07:26<timon>Situation 2: at work -- using a USB mobile internet dongle, driven by the sakis3g-script. no restrictions like a http-only-proxy here.
07:26<Zaba>is there some way to use service supervision on debian that integrates with the package system?
07:26<dutchfish>no idee, but it did over here
07:27<timon>Situation 3: at my girlfriend's place -- using one or two USB mobile internet dongles, driven by sakis3g; offering internet connections via the laptops built-in wifi chip
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07:30<ebyn>Hi i'm new here. Wass up?
07:30<timon>first of all, I'd like to automate configuring the network settings for each of the environments, probably have a generic setting for "new" environments as well
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07:31<timon>second, might there be a chance to have the network automatically configured around boot time, maybe via boot options/kernel parameters/init script?
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07:33<Xeross>How can I install partman as apparently it's not in the repositories
07:33<Xeross>Well aptitude cant find it
07:33<timon>I'd appreciate if someone could point me in the right direction, my asking google has not been successful yet
07:33<timon>Xeross: did you try searching the repos via
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07:34<bzed>Xeross: partman is the partitioning part of the installer
07:35<Xeross>bzed: Well I want to partition a HDD after install so I figured something to partition it with would be useful
07:35<bzed>Xeross: you can't install/use it normally. use fdisk or parted or qtparted or gparted
07:35<Xeross>parted it is then
07:35<bzed>Xeross: parted doesn't come with a nice frontend, guess you might want to use gparted
07:35<bzed>or qtparted
07:35<Xeross>bzed: It's a server box so a frontend wouldn't really work
07:36<bzed>Xeross: well then parted or fdisk
07:36<bzed>or cfdisk
07:36<Xeross>bzed: cfdisk is apparently also part of the installer according to the packages website
07:37<bzed>well you can load it in the installer to use it on the console probably
07:37<bzed>but the installer uses parted internally
07:37<bzed>cfdisk doesn't support GPT tables
07:37<Xeross>So how would I use it then
07:37<Xeross>ah its preinstalled
07:37<bzed>it is part of the util-linux package
07:38<bzed>timon: guess you're using a laptop?
07:38<timon>bzed: yes
07:38<bzed>timon: look for wicd or network-manager
07:38<bzed>both work fine, although I hate NM ;)
07:39<amphi>wicd works well for me, except that the daemon goes incomminicado every now and again
07:39<timon>that would be a minor problem for me
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07:40<timon>I don't usually do stuff where I _need_ a stable connection and I think I'm able to deal with the connection breaking down once in a while
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07:41<bzed>timon: network-manager tries to do too much magic on its own
07:41<bzed>and fails completely as soon as you need somethign it can't handle
07:41<bzed>so wicd is my favourite, definitely
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07:41<bzed>especially the version in squeeze
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07:42<timon>bzed: yep. I can't figure out how to make nm start ntlmaps when connecting to the college network
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07:42<timon>(not even speaking of doing export http_proxy etc)
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07:43<timon>but I'm perfectly happy with the sakis3g script, it worked wonders for me :)
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07:44<bzed>timon: wicd allows you to run scripts bevore/after disconnecting/connecting
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07:45<timon>great :) will save at least a few of the usual steps
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07:51<thestudent>hello ,I`m trying to use wakeonlan but on a particulary pc isn`t working,i enabled wol in bios and made the network adapter settings and then sended a magic packet from my laptop with wakeonlan command but is still not working..can someone help me please?
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07:53<timon>great, I found a neighbor who's got some eggs for me ... thanks for your advice, bzed :) will be back later
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08:09<mase>thestudent have you used ethtool?
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08:26<rootdfg>hi yo
08:26<rootdfg>hai yall
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08:26<esmo>hi all
08:26<amphi>missed the 10 second greeting window :(
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08:43<asahishimbun>Hello everyone, using debian lenny - with latest updates -and the following partition scheme,
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08:45<asahishimbun>Hello everyone, using debian lenny - with latest updates -and the following partition scheme,
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08:46<asahishimbun>my question is
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08:46<asahishimbun>can I use a debian rescue cd OR a knoppix live dvd/cd with qtparted to shrink my /home
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08:47<asahishimbun>I'm planning to install 2 more OSs on my hdd but to do this I need to make my /home smaller
08:47<bremner_>asahishimbun: I have more experience with gparted, but I don't see why it should not work
08:48<bremner_>you may have to shrink the container partition as well
08:48<asahishimbun>I'm asking because I know I can do this from my system but it is risky this way
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08:49<bremner_>yeah, booting from a live cd is a nice way to do partition resizes
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08:49<asahishimbun>what do you mean by the container?
08:49<bremner_>oh, you have an extended partition right?
08:50<bremner_>so if you want other os's they probably need a primary partition to boot? (not sure)
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08:50<asahishimbun>but I have used one primary and several extended
08:51<asahishimbun>my only primary is /dev/sda1
08:51<bremner_>right, so I guess you need to shrink sda2
08:51<bremner_>after shrinking /home
08:52<bremner_>where do you plan to put your new primary partition?
08:52<asahishimbun>in the unallocated room left after the operation
08:52<asahishimbun>*room=space, sorry
08:53<bremner_>yes, but that room will still be in sda2, no?
08:54<asahishimbun>I'm not sure, but since sda2 is the extended and it holds logical sda5..9, its end is sda9
08:54<asahishimbun>am I wrong?
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08:54<bremner_>well, fire up a partition editor, I suspect a picture is worth a 1000 lines of IRC
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08:56<asahishimbun>Come to think of it, I should have learned to use LVM... wouldn't have to smack my brains now
08:56<asahishimbun>a picture from qtperted will come
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09:05<asahishimbun>this is the output of qtparted
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09:07<asahishimbun>so do I absolutely have to touch sda2?
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09:08<bremner_>well, take in steps. First shrink /home. Then I think you will see the size of sda2 is still the same, i.e. all space on the disk is in some partitition.
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09:38<npy>Hi everyone, I have a problem with ssh, when use the publickey method I get this: /usr/bin/X11/xauth: timeout in locking authority file //.Xauthority
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09:44<bremner_>npy: why does the system think your home directory is /
09:44<npy>and X11 forwarding corrupt, but there's no problem with password method
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09:46<npy>bremner: sorry, it should be the remote machine's name, but that's too long
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09:48<muep>are the debian archives working normally for most of us? I am getting a GPG error like this:
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09:54<timon>muep: did not work at all for me, using squeeze, so I disabled it until squeeze receives its main release
09:55<muep>this is not a problem with a repo not being available
09:55<muep>but that apt won't accept a GPG signature
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09:55<muep>the setup also worked fine a few weeks ago
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09:56<muep>hmm, maybe the reason is that my system clock is at year 2021...
09:57<muep>yeah, just had my clock messed up
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10:14<npy>I tried to break the lock with xauth -b while the same error message is printed
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10:15<cslater>is there a way to tell preseed to pull the bits from a local cd rather than a network mirror?
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10:16<cahoot> npy related to this?
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10:20<npy>cahoot: thanks, but I'm not using gdm, I have xdm
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10:27<npy>can I know .Xauthority is locking by which process?
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10:28<cahoot>npy: You've already checked perms/owner of the file?
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10:31<npy>yes, owner myself, perm rw-------
10:32<Xeross>I currently have multiple debian servers setup and I want to keep certain config files the same between the systems is there any way of doing this without having to do it manually
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10:37<felixs>Xeross: pack the config files in question in a .deb file.
10:37<felixs>Xeross: install that package where needed...
10:38<Xeross>felixs: Is there a way to deploy that package automatically to multiple servers ?
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10:38<Xeross>Probably with ssh and a loop I guess
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10:39<felixs>put it into a repository that all of your servers use... (sources.list)
10:39<Xeross>Yeah but then I'd still have to update all servers one by one
10:40<felixs>(depending on how often your files change, it might be easier to just scp them with a cron job...)
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10:40<Xeross>felixs: Hmm perhaps I could write a python script that would login to all of them and execute aptitude
10:40<felixs>Xeross: yes. but youll have to run apt-get upgrade anyway (sometimes.)
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10:41<Xeross>I heard of this puppet thing for config management wouldn't that work
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10:45<felixs>Xeross: dont know puppet. but i doubt this will do anything much different from copying files from a to b
10:45<Xeross>felixs: Yes it syncs files between a cluster of servers with 1 master server, seems to do what I want then
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10:48<felixs>Xeross: sounds like overkill. i'd try scp first
10:48<felixs>(maybe in a cron job)
10:48<Xeross>felixs: It seems to be specialized for configuration files, and it seems less work to setup than SCP and everything
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10:50<kop>Xeross: Puppet (and similar programs) is designed to do what you want.
10:50<felixs>Xeross: i doubt it. theres nothing much simpler than scp
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10:51<cthuluh>nc -l > foo.deb, perhaps?
10:51<Xeross>felixs: It also handles permissions and file ownership
10:51<Xeross>felixs: And wouldn't I have to login as root through SCP then ?
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10:52<felixs>cthuluh: not when its about _safely_ copying files ...
10:53<kop>Xeross: Yes, but you could use public/private keys in /root/.ssh/authorized_keys, with "command=" and probably no pty to secure things.
10:54<Xeross>kop: Like just use a certain key as a "trigger" to execute things
10:54<felixs>Xeross: i'd rather open sshd to root than giving root-acces to some meta-automagism (puppet)
10:54<felixs>but no, you can spawn the copy process from the 'client' and connect to somewhere else as non-root
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10:55<ml|>yes "command=" is good and you might want to create a group and add users to that group and edit /etc/ssh/sshd_config accordingly
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10:55<ryan_>i keep having to add a route for the default gateway, can't i simply add it to the interfaces file?
10:56<kop>Xeross: exactly
10:56<cthuluh>ryan_: what does your interfaces file loonks like?
10:56<Xeross>kop: Are there any examples on this that I could work from
10:56<felixs>ryan_: try with post-up (man ifupdown). maybe...
10:56<ml|>and also change the port for ssh ;)
10:57<Xeross>Hmm I guess I could change the ssh port on my main server
10:57<ml|>I use keychain to keep the keys in use
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10:58<kop>Xeross: You should find a lot on google, but the manual is clear. (After that you need to look at logs to debug, which you might need to do anyway.) Just remember, a public/private key pair is like a lockbox (the public key) and a combination (the private key). Ssh uses it for authentication by proving that "you" know the combination.
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10:58<Zaba>ryan_, yes, you can set the default gateway in the interfaces file
10:58<kop>ml|: IMO changing the port is pretty worthless. Security by obscurity that isn't really obscure once you're scanned.
10:58<Xeross>kop: Yeah I use them all the time because it's a time saver, and I saw you can use them for some pretty cool things
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10:59<ml|>kop: yes, but doing all that adds an extra layer and keeps the logs from growing, with all the ssh noise using 22
11:00<ml|>keys is the way to go like kop said
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11:00<ml|>dpkg info keychain
11:00<dpkg>keychain: (key manager for OpenSSH), section net, is extra. Version: 2.6.8-2 (sid), Packaged size: 32 kB, Installed size: 140 kB
11:01<ryan_>i have it set there but I keep having to bring the interface up myself
11:01<ryan_>and add the route
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11:03<kop>ryan_: Did you leave off the "auto" keyword? (man interfaces)
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11:04<kop>ml|: For his purposes I'd choose puppet. YMMV.
11:04<ryan_>wait yea its not on there
11:05<ml|>ok, I did not read all the backlog; I find keychain very useful
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11:08<cthuluh>ryan_: what happens if you replace ''allow-hotplug'' with ''auto''?
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11:11<kop>Somebody tell ryan_ there's no need to reboot, just tell /etc/init.d/network to go up and down.
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11:17<Latino>umask sets file-creation permises, what's used for directory-creation permises?
11:17<ichdasich>Latino: umask
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11:18<Latino>ichdasich, what would be the syntax then? I want all new directories to be drwx------
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11:29<glossy>hi, room
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11:42<Kottizen>hi people, which version of debian was the most recent one in 2005-08?
11:43<rudi_s>!tell Kottizen about release history
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11:43<Kottizen>thank you
11:43<Kottizen>and, all the old versions of all packages, are they still there?
11:43<Kottizen>I mean, are they still in the mirrors?
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11:44<Kottizen>i see, thank you
11:44<dpkg>it has been said that archive is a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation. Debian Archives is the repository for old Debian releases, see . For the package archive, ask me about <snapshot>. Old Debian <ISO> files are archived at
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11:45<mijuecumt>helllo, everyone!!
11:45<Kottizen>and uh, I have amd64 - can I take the i386 version?
11:45<rudi_s>Kottizen: Yes.
11:45<Kottizen> <-- doesn't look like it supports amd64
11:46<Kottizen>thank you
11:46<rudi_s>Kottizen: But why do you want to install an old Debian?
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11:48<dpkg>cn is probably China, or for help in chinese please join #debian-zh, Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读
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11:49<Kottizen>rudi_s: yeah, I need old gcc and stuff
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11:49<rudi_s>Kottizen: Hm, okay. Make sure to not connect the machine to any network.
11:49<Kottizen>rudi_s: except for the internet
11:50<rudi_s>Including that network ;-)
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11:50<Kottizen>rudi_s: I will run an openchanfix (the chanfix service on efnet) on it, but not sshd, ftpd or anything else
11:50<Kottizen>would that be secure enough?
11:50<rudi_s>Kottizen: No, the system is much too old, kernel security problems, etc.
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11:51<Kottizen>but is there any way to install an old version of gcc on latest debian=
11:51<rudi_s>Kottizen: You could compile it yourself, but I'm not sure if that works.
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11:52<Kottizen>how do I compile a compiler? o/
11:52<mjr>the easy way which I'd probably take is to install an older debian in a chroot
11:52<Kottizen>what does that mean?
11:52<mjr>with one of the debootstrap utilities
11:53<Kottizen>I intend to install it on a vps
11:53<EmleyMoor>I have a directory with 33 files in it, all the filenames beginning with numbers from 01 to 33. I want to rename those from 15 to 33, such that 1 is added to the number - therefore becoming 16 to 34. Is there a "one liner" or something to do this?
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11:56<KevinCL>cual es el canal de esdebian
11:56<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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11:57<felixs>EmleyMoor: for i in `ls -r` do; mv $i `calculate i+1`; done
11:57<felixs>EmleyMoor: but i dont know how to add 1 and $i
11:58<KevinCL>si lo se
11:58<mjr>`echo 1+$i | bc` at least
11:58<KevinCL>ya estoy en ese
11:58<KevinCL>pero busco el canal de la página de esdebian
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11:58<KevinCL>y me dijeron que estaba en este server
11:58<KevinCL>pero no lo encuentro
11:58<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
11:59<felixs>EmleyMoor: expr 1 + $i does the job
11:59<mjr>also, he said that that's just a part of the name, so probably want to use rename s/$i/`...`/ file
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11:59<EmleyMoor>Done it the hard way this time
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12:02<felixs>mjr, EmleyMoor: then for i in `seq -w $number -1 0`; do mv "$i"restofname `expr ... and so on`; done; would do it :)
12:03<Kottizen>I'll try Debian Etch, sounds stable and good.
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12:07<amitz>with no security update ;-)
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12:08<Kottizen>but is it really possible to h4xx it if it doesn't run anything on the way out?
12:08<Kottizen>and if I firewall all ports + icmp
12:08<Kottizen>how do you contact the kernel then?
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12:12<felixs>Kottizen: if its not communicating or connected to a network, it should be quite secure. but maybe useless (depending on what you want to do with it)
12:13<Kottizen>oh i see
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12:14<Kottizen>but do you know if there's any old repo with gcc 3?
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12:15<felixs>i doubt there's none. at least it should be possible to find the source code somewhere
12:15<Kottizen>hmm, yeah
12:18<felixs>Kottizen: what about ?
12:19<Kottizen>oh, nice
12:19<Kottizen>is it just to download the right file and dpkg -i it?
12:20<felixs>its worth a try
12:21<felixs>if it doesnt work tell us why :)
12:21<felixs>i'd expect some dependency problems...
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12:23<Kottizen>wrong architechture
12:23<felixs>better build a new package...
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12:27<ananth123>can anyone tell me where to find the realtek non-free wired eth drivers ?
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12:34<Kottizen>felixs: easier to reinstall - vmware
12:35<felixs>Kottizen: reinstall what?
12:36<felixs>Kottizen: wont change the architecture
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12:40<felixs>Kottizen: ah got it. running etch in a vm. ok (if this solves your problem...)
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13:15<tash>!search jre
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13:17<siskulous>I have a server that previously had a DHCP address and now has a static address. The problem I'm having is that it keeps pulling a DHCP address even though it's set to a static address in /etc/network/interfaces. What should I check to fix that?
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13:20<speedvin>siskulous: install wicd ;)
13:20<speedvin>bestel: hi
13:21<bestel>y'a quelqu'un pour un probleme de non changeage de luminosité sur un portable sous debian ?
13:21<cthuluh>!fr > bestel
13:21<speedvin>bestel: 'es
13:21<speedvin>bestel: or 'fr
13:21<cthuluh>bestel: ask on a french speaking debian channel
13:21<bestel>no problem
13:21<siskulous>speedvin: Not unless it's got a CLI interface. There's no X on this server.
13:21<Kottizen>french people think they can speak french everywhere :<
13:22<Kottizen>seriously, learn english
13:22<speedvin>siskulous: it got ;)
13:22<bestel>i've got a problem when i want to change the luminosity of my laptop screen
13:22<cthuluh>Kottizen: blah.
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13:22<timon>bestel: changing lcd brightness works out of the box for me (Thinkpad R61i, Squeeze, XFCE)
13:23<bestel>yep ^^
13:23<cthuluh>siskulous: how is that a problem? does the server's ip change?
13:23<bestel>not for mee (squeeze, toshiba T110)
13:24<bestel>i saw some guys who change something in the grub lunch setting ...
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13:24<bestel>king of : = vendor ID
13:24<cthuluh>acpi_osi="Linux", perhaps (wild guess)
13:24<siskulous>When it pulls a DHCP address not only does it's address change but Mediatomb stops working until I get in and reset it.
13:24<guilherme>if i use run an application on a machine by ssh and exit from my user (on a client), is it possible to continue the application and get the resoults (on a server) ??
13:25<cthuluh>siskulous: did you reboot the server? please paste the interfaces file, and some log content showing dhclient asking for a dynamic address
13:25<cahoot>guilherme: 'screen' might be what you look for
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13:26<bestel>if i use run an application on a machine by ssh and exit from my user (on a client), is it possible to continue the application and get the resoults (on a server) ?? == the application not turning off by quit an ssh session
13:26<bestel>if you lunch a "wget" it will continue
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13:27<cahoot>bestel: you the same person as guiherme?
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13:27<guilherme>cahoot: ok, thanks i will search for it, one minute and i come back, tahnks
13:28<bestel>no, after the == i respond
13:28<timon>bestel: I think the command for starting a job and keep it running when logging off is "screen"
13:28<cahoot>bestel: you put the same question within one minute
13:28<bestel>on an opensuse machine, ALL lunched application continues to run ......
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13:29<bestel>opensuse server ^^
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13:29<siskulous>The interfaces file:
13:30<bestel>try with a wget, logout, login, and 'top'
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13:30<bestel>somebody for my trouble ?
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13:31<bremner_>!tell bestel -about screen
13:31<bremner_>!tell bestel -about tmux
13:31<bremner_>bestel: try one of the two tools dpkg told you about in a privmsg
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13:31<bestel>no no no
13:31<cthuluh>bestel was not the one asking for help about screen or tmux
13:31<bestel>that's not my problem
13:32<cthuluh>bestel: #debian-fr
13:32<BrandonF>Hey guys, Squeeze will use Gnome 2.30 for 2y till 2012 right?
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13:33<bestel>on my laptop i don't manage to change the luminosity of my screen ... see the toolbar, it work, but the luminosity don't change
13:33<Guest1365>I wanted to make a Debian server with thin clients,I've enabled in the login window , xdmcp, but my server is not seen by my thin clients. (gnome 2.30)
13:34<cahoot>bestel: tried xbacklight ?
13:34<qwd>BrandonF: Squeeze will always use it. The version won't change in Squeeze.
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13:35<cthuluh>siskulous: you only gave us half what we asked, though you had already said us that you were now using a static configuration. now, was the server restarted since you modified the config? don't you have a dhclient process hanging around?
13:35<BrandonF>qwd, cool, so I'll be able to use Gnome 2.30 for 2 more years then ^^
13:35<bestel>cahoot: what is that ?
13:35<BrandonF>qwd, do you know if Wheezy will use 2.32 or 3.0?
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13:35<cahoot>bestel: aptitude show xbacklight
13:35<siskulous>I'm looking for a log. It was restarted yesterday and again today. It's been on static for a week.
13:36<bestel>not installed ....
13:36<qwd>BrandonF: Wheezy doesn't even exist yet.§ion=all&sourceid=mozilla-search
13:36<bestel>cahoot: should it work with it?
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13:37<majid>When will linuxmint 10 come?
13:37<cahoot>bestel: might be worth a try
13:37<BrandonF>thx qwd
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13:39<bestel>cahoot: yep ^^
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13:39<bestel>cahoot: need to reboot after install ?
13:39<bremner_>!tell majid -about mint
13:40<bestel>default "fn+F6" (light down) is supported ?
13:40<cthuluh>siskulous: do you have any dhcp3-client running?
13:41<siskulous>Not according to lsof. Here's the syslog:
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13:43<bestel>cahoot: after install, nothing change ....
13:43<reisio>what is the trick for finding mirrors that actually work
13:43<cahoot>bestel: xbacklight is rum from commandline
13:43<cahoot> s/rum/run/
13:43<siskulous>Oh, wait....duh....I was running lsof as a user. Yeah, dhclient3 is running.
13:43<reisio>cthuluh: come with base system?
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13:44<BrandonF>This might be kinda inappropriate to ask lol, but how can I install the latest Ubuntu theme on Debian?
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13:44<cthuluh>reisio: I don't think so
13:44*reisio headdesks
13:44<bestel>cahoot: xbacklight -set =30 --> bothing change
13:44<cthuluh>siskulous: then stop it ;)
13:44<cahoot>bestel: no errormsg?
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13:45<bestel>cahoot: YEs, error when i'm not #
13:46<bestel>cahoot: no protocole specified
13:46<siskulous>Yeah, nothing like an easy solution to make ya feel like a goob. :P
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13:48<bestel>ok, thanks
13:48<bestel>thx for helping
13:48<qwd>BrandonF: there are a few gnome-theme packages, I don't know if it's in one of them though
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13:49<BrandonF>and my other question is: in what category is Pidgin? I'm browsing the testing packages and can't find it
13:50<qwd>BrandonF: don't browse, search
13:51<cahoot>tried pidgin?
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13:53<BrandonF>I'm about to switch to Debian, but I'd like an honest answer to this: how problematic is using old packages? I'm asking because Ubuntu updates faster
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13:53<cahoot>from whom?
13:53<BrandonF>and I know Ubuntu bases itself on Debian Unstable
13:53<BrandonF>from an experienced Debian user :P
13:54<qwd>BrandonF: depends. and ubuntu is based on debian testing.
13:54<BrandonF>qwd, elaborate, and no, it's based on sid afaik
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13:55<cthuluh>it's _supposed_ to be based on testing, even if some packages are more recent than the ones in testing
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13:56<BrandonF>that's not what Wikipedia says
13:57<muep>AFAIK it depends on the ubuntu release
13:57<cahoot>BrandonF: think about it - you ask what to prefer in a channel dedicated to debian
13:57<qwd>BrandonF: it's not really possible to give you a good answer. it depends on what you want. if you always want the latest packages then you probably won't be satisfied with stable since it's, well, stable. there's backports though, and you can of course isntall packages from outside repos
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13:58<muep>BrandonF: if you need a specific feature only available in a recent software release, the answer is a lot easier
13:58<BrandonF>But I'm wondering 'cause Ubuntu will use Unity and Gnome Shell sucks too
13:58<muep>just check if the feature in question is available in Debian or if there is an easy way to get it as a backport or something
13:59<BrandonF>(my opinion)
13:59<muep>you can still use the older UIs
13:59<qwd>BrandonF: i doubt you HAVE to use it. You could probably do a minimal install and install gnome-core or something and not get all the extra stuff.
13:59<BrandonF>yeah but that might break stability, whereas with Debian it won't 'cause it's the default supported one
14:00<muep>at least squeeze will still have the traditional gnome 2
14:00<BrandonF>yeah :)
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14:00<BrandonF>hopefully Wheezy will too :P
14:00<muep>hard to say at this point
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14:24<TheOne_>hi, can some squeeze gnome user please try to start gparted from menu (i only use kde4 where it does not work)?
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14:26<bremner_>TheOne_: I don't use gnome, but I can tell you it works fine from the command line
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14:27<rot13>what do i have to do to enable an usb sound device for a kirkwood system?
14:28<TheOne_>bremner_: here not, i run debian squeeze with kde4 and everytime i try to run gksu gparted it quites with the error GLib-CRITICAL **: g_str_has_prefix: assertion `str != NULL' failed
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14:28<bremner_>TheOne_: just run gparted without gksu?
14:28<TheOne_>i get the pw popup but thats all
14:29<bremner_>hmm. sudo gparted works for me.
14:29<cahoot>rot13: what's a kirkwood system?
14:30<TheOne_>kdesu gparted works for me and also su-to-root -X -c gparted
14:30<bremner_>TheOne_: if I run with root privs, it just complains
14:30<TheOne_>but gparted need root privs
14:30<bremner_>sorry, s/with/without/
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14:31<rot13>cahoot: if you don't know google it
14:31<bremner_>rot13: remember, you are the one looking for help here.
14:31<cahoot>rot13: fine by me - but since you asked for help...
14:32<TheOne_>bremner_: yeah but i want to know whether it is a specific kde4 prob with gksu or gksu itself does not work correct?
14:32<rot13>and i am the one asking for help and if it's that unknown to you what i am asking about it is unlikely that an answer is near. sorry.
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14:33<bremner_>TheOne_: gksu gparted works for me (xmonad)
14:33<TheOne_>i guess it is gksu that does not work correct, because i get this stupid error message
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14:33<TheOne_>hmm ok
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14:36<bremner_>TheOne_: there is a new gparted from yesterday. Maybe upgrade?
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14:37<TheOne_>no gparted works fine, the problem is that the gparted.desktop file executes gksu /usr/sbin/gparted
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14:38<TheOne_>however, kdesu gparted or su-to-root -X -c gparted works perfect
14:38<TheOne_>it is a problem with gksu
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14:39<bremner_>ok, no more ideas from me other than making sure both are up to date.
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14:39<TheOne_>yes my gksu is the latest for debian squeeze
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14:40<TheOne_>another user reportes me that it doesnt work with lenny and kde too
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14:44<Zaba>I wonder, what linux filesystem is most suitable for use on an ssd?
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14:54<bremner_>Zaba: I believe Ted Tso has blogged about this quite a bit.
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14:55<jhutchins>,versions lm-sensors
14:55<judd>Package lm-sensors on i386 -- etch: 1:2.10.1-3; lenny: 1:3.0.2-1+b2; sid: 1:3.1.2-6; squeeze: 1:3.1.2-6
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15:33<bestel>hello, i've a situation here ^^
15:34<bestel>xbacklight don't works, no error
15:36<bestel>arrrrrg, nobody ?
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15:36<devil>works here
15:36<abrotman>bestel: should be an error somewhere
15:36<mase>bestel on laptop? did it work any time before?
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15:37<bestel>never works, and the thing to add in grub don't work too
15:37<bestel>on laptop
15:37<devil>thing to add in grub?
15:37<bestel>strike "xbacklight = 50"
15:37<bestel>no error, nothing change
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15:37<devil>bestel: xbacklight -set-percent 50
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15:38<devil>sorry. -set percent 50
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15:38<bestel>GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash acpi_osi=Linux acpi_backlight=vendor splash"
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15:39<bestel>devil: don't work, syntax error for : "xbacklight -set percent 50"
15:40<devil>let me boot the notebook
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15:40<bestel>oki ^^ got a toshiba T100 here .... install of toshiba utility don't work
15:40<mase>bestel there is a space after "set", should be a "-"
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15:41<bestel>xbacklight -set-percent 50
15:41<bestel>don't work too
15:43<devil>bestel: xbacklight -set 20 works here
15:43<bestel>don't work here
15:43<amphi>oh, toshiba...
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15:43<bestel>my eyes continue to burn (21h43 here ^^)
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15:44<devil>bestel: also -dec and -inc work
15:44<amphi>bestel: does /sys/class/backlight/acpi_video0/ exist there?
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15:45<amphi>devil: you are on the same model?
15:45<devil>amphi: mo idea, this is lenovo
15:45<devil>could of course make a difference
15:45<bestel>amphi: exist
15:45<amphi>devil: it works here, too, on my stinkpad - but that is not relevant ;)
15:46<amphi>bestel: what does 'cat /sys/class/backlight/acpi_video0/actual_brightness' show?
15:46<bestel>show me a '3'
15:47<amphi>and max_brightness in the same directory?
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15:47<bestel>max show me a '7'
15:48<bestel>(my screen is on his MAX value (yes i'm shure))
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15:48<amphi>what happens if you do 'echo 7 > /sys/class/backlight/acpi_video0/brightness' ?
15:48<devil>same here for both values
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15:49<amphi>bestel: does 'cat /sys/class/backlight/acpi_video0/actual_brightness' then show '7' ?
15:49<amphi>bestel: if so, you could try 'echo 2' and see what happens
15:50<bestel>yep, show '7'
15:50<bestel>try with 2
15:50<bestel>nothing change
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15:51<amphi>bestel: as a fallback, you could try using 'xrandr --brightness' perhaps
15:51<bestel>... don't understand
15:52<Satan911>Hi. I just installed the latest openSSL package with the source but I can't find a package similar to libssl-dev for openSSL 1.0.0 The latest libssl-dev in the repo uses 0.9.8 and when compiling my IRCd it uses that old version.
15:52<bestel>xrandr --brightness = syntax error ... ???
15:53<amphi>bestel: xrandr --output LDVS1 --brightness .5
15:53<amphi>er, LVDS1
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15:53<amphi>run xrandr with no args to make sure your panel is LVDS1
15:53<bestel>amphi: warning: output LDVS1 not found; ignoring
15:53<bestel>xrandr: Need crtc to set gamma on.
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15:54<amphi>'LDVS1' was a typo ;)
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15:55<bestel>amphi: have an idea ?
15:55<amphi>actually, I think you get the same effect with 'xgamma -gamma .5'
15:56<amphi>neither command affects the backlight, but may help make it less blinding while you figure this out
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15:56<bestel>with gamma, shox me the list of option = syntax error ...
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15:57<amphi>what was the command you used?
15:57<bestel> xrandr --output LDVS1 xgamma -gamma .5
15:58<amphi>bestel: 'xgamma -gamma .5' is the command
15:58<bestel>ha, ....
15:58<amphi>bestel: 'xgamma -gamma 1' will set your display back to 'normal' gamma
15:59<bestel>CHANGE MY GAMMA
15:59<bestel>something happend :)
15:59<amphi>main screen turn on!
15:59<bestel>what ?
15:59<amphi>a *ahem* literary reference
16:00<bestel>sorry, i'm french, cause of ?
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16:00<amphi>bestel: nothing important
16:01<amphi>is that an improvement, the reduced gamma?
16:01<abrotman>amphi: dont' worry, i got it! :)
16:02<bestel>kind of, but i re-change it ^^
16:02<amphi>yes, I think bestel is in a far more exclusive group ;)
16:03<bestel> is in a far more exclusive group ??
16:03<bestel>bestel can't change his luminosity !!!!
16:03<mase>what about skipping black coffee over the display?
16:04<bestel>try it and give me your feed-back ;p
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16:06<mase>ok, best liquid to darken the display was red wine
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16:06<amphi>easier just to wear welding goggles ;)
16:07<mase>amphi is the king!
16:07<bestel>. . .
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16:07<bestel>don't know the same command for changing the luminosity ?
16:08<amphi>ISTR xrandr has some options to change the method of adjusting the backlight
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16:08<amphi>bestel: are you on stable/lenny ?
16:08<bestel>amphi: i'm on squeeze
16:09<mase>bestel: just for my interest: are the brightness-hotkeys working?
16:09<amphi>ah, same here, and I no longer see such stuff in xrandr
16:09<bestel>mase: yeah works, but don't change the luminosity
16:09<mase>bestel: so they dont
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16:09<amphi>bestel: what do you mean 'works', in that case? ;)
16:10<amphi>they go up and down?
16:10<mase>they "click" when you press them?
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16:11<bestel>... no, the applet show me the "status", don't know how say it, i see the *ù*$ù*$ù thing blue move
16:12<amphi>bestel: do you see anything relevant-looking under /proc/acpi ?
16:12<amphi>bestel: and what of this toshiba utility? ISTR toshiba engineers had an unofficial site for linux stuff
16:13<bestel>amphi: i have these thing on it : button dsdt embedded_controller fadt info power_resource processor sleep thermal_zone video wakeup
16:13<mase>bestel: have you had a look into the bios about any setting about the backlight?
16:13<amphi>bestel: anything in video?
16:13<bestel>install of toshiba utility (for linux) don't work
16:14<amphi>!doesn't work
16:14<dpkg>Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>.
16:15<bestel>install goes to 90%, and make an error
16:15<amphi>actually, someone offered me a T200 yesterday, for €200
16:15<amphi>brand new; but I didn't care for it ;)
16:15<bestel>but after the error, the utility show 'installed'
16:15<amphi>I'll wait for a dual-core ARM machine
16:17<mase>amphi like the pandaboard?
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16:18<amphi>I wot not of it - but I don't want a tablet, which it sounds like
16:18<bestel>no hope for my problem ?
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16:18<amphi>bestel: would you like to share the error message with us, or is it a secret?
16:19<amphi>mase: oh, just a board…
16:19<bestel>ok, i remove/reinstall
16:19<bestel>wait a minute
16:19<amphi>mase: a netbook based on something like that would be nice
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16:21<bestel>Des erreurs ont été rencontrées pendant l'exécution :
16:21<bestel> toshutils
16:21<bestel>Paramétrage de toshutils (2.0.1+debian-24) ...
16:21<bestel>dpkg : erreur de traitement de toshutils (--configure) :
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16:23<bestel>help you ?
16:23<amphi>bestel: do they only provide it in the form of a deb?
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16:26<bestel>amphi: no, or don't find it
16:26<amphi>bestel: also, the last line before you were kicked was 'le sous-processus script post-installation installé a retourné une erreur de sortie d'état 127' - was there any more informative message?
16:26<mase>amphi no netbook, no dual-core, but still nice:
16:26<bestel>.Deb, .rpm
16:26<bestel>traitement des actions différées (« triggers ») pour « menu »...
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16:27<bestel>sorry for the french :p
16:27<dpkg>[locale] a set of rules for presenting information to humans according to local conventions (date format, thousands separators, language, etc.). Ask me about <locales> to establish on a Debian system.
16:27<saulo>Hello all. I have Debian Squeeze and need install Firebird 1.5 to run some applications. But I'm unable to find 1.5 packages to Debian...
16:28<BrandonF>!fr | bestel
16:29<bestel>qq-: the french don't make you can't help .... exit (127) = dpkg error while --configure
16:29<abrotman>saulo: firebird the database?
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16:30<saulo>abrotman: yes
16:30<amphi>bestel: can you run the program it presumably installed?
16:30<abrotman>saulo: aptitude search firebird .. you'll see 2.1 and 2.5
16:30<bestel>$ toshset
16:30<bestel>required kernel toshiba support not enabled.
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16:31<saulo>abrotman: the aplication do not run into >=2.0 versions, already tried, but it's unstable. The support told me to downgrade to 1.5.x
16:31<abrotman>saulo: i'd guess you want to use lenny then
16:31<abrotman>judd: versions firebird-common
16:31<judd>Sorry, no package named 'firebird-common' was found in i386.
16:31<abrotman>oh, lenny has 2.0
16:32<saulo>let me try add lenny here
16:32<amphi>bestel: ah, looks like you get to compile a kernel then ;)
16:33<bestel>my kernel is 2.6.32-5, don't know why isn't supported
16:33<abrotman>saulo: don't add lenny to squeeze .. you'll make a mess
16:33<amphi>bestel: wait…
16:33<bestel>my problem is ... **$ù*ù*m
16:33<amphi>bestel: is the module toshiba_acpi loaded?
16:34<saulo>abrotman: I will only do aptitude -d firebird and remove :P
16:35<abrotman>it's sitll 2.0 .. you said you require 1.5
16:35<amphi>bestel: lsmod | grep toshiba
16:35<saulo>abrotman: 2.0 is 1.5? :/
16:36<saulo>ah understood xD
16:36*abrotman failed basic math
16:36<bestel>no, dont' find any toshiba rhing in lsmod
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16:36<amphi>bestel: modprobe toshiba_acpi and try your utility again
16:36<saulo>abrotman: I remember in etch, was a package called firebird2 who was firebird 1.5, this information is correct?
16:37<abrotman>NFC, you sohuldn't be using etch
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16:38<bestel># modprobe toshiba_acpi
16:38<bestel>FATAL: Error inserting toshiba_acpi (/lib/modules/2.6.32-5-686/kernel/drivers/platform/x86/toshiba_acpi.ko): No such device
16:38<amphi>there goes that idea
16:38<amphi>!kill toshiba
16:38*dpkg chops toshiba's head off with a Knoppix CD
16:39*dvs wonders why his computer just died
16:39<amphi>bestel: looks like xgamma is your solution for a bit
16:39<saulo>abrotman: I'm tryed compile from source too, but do not run here, the system is 64 bits. Some (a lot :P) time ago I found in etch this versions and was running into 64 bits machines, bit I'm unable to find again too :(
16:39<bestel>but, just change the gamma, not the luminosity .....
16:39<bestel>not the backlight*
16:40<amphi>but at least it must be somewhat less blinding, no?
16:41<abrotman>saulo: you can try ... but it's not supported .. good luck!
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16:43<bestel>hope that a future release fix that ...
16:43<bestel>it's possible ?
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16:48<saulo>abrotman: ok... how can I add this at apt lists?
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16:48<Lantizia>Lo anyone know of a good spam/virus/phish package that is debian friendly (maybe based on mailscanner or amavis) with a web front end?
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16:50<bestel>.. thx for help ^^
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16:52<rpetre>Lantizia: i heard good things about Maia Mailguard, however it's not packaged for debian. there seem to be a couple of "installing maia on debian X" howtos around the net, so i guess it's debian-friendly enough
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16:53<Lantizia>rpetre, yeah I just found that - and one called Postvis Admin
16:53<mase>Lantizia spam and viruses are completely different things
16:53<Lantizia>you don't say?! lol
16:54<mase>Lantizia oh, mailscanner, sorry
16:55<rpetre>mase: if you use some content filter like amavis or mailscanner that can run plugins for both, you can treat them the same
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16:56<mase>rpetre yes, youre right, didn't catch the mailscanner theme, sorry
16:57<abrotman>saulo: *not* supported
16:58<Lantizia>rpetre, would you say amavis has surpassed mailscanner in functionality/popularity?
16:59<rpetre>Lantizia: no idea, i have worked mainly with amavis though
16:59<Lantizia>rpetre, no web front end for you though?
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17:00<rpetre>i looked at maia at some point for a customer, but ended up not using it
17:00<rpetre>iirc, it runs a modified amavis
17:00<Lantizia>rpetre, how many versions of amavis still exist? I've seen at least four!
17:01<rpetre>beats me, i haven't done mailservers in a while and the one in debian works ok enough for me
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17:07<hal>hi all
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17:12<saulo>I'm installing Flash Player plugin from wiki help. But I'm receiving at install wget failed to download
17:13<saulo>It's a package bug?
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17:18<devil>saulo: that hack is not needed anymore
17:19<devil>saulo: flash for 64-bit works from apt (again)
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17:25<zeroedout>Hi i have distcc running on my i486 debian box and i'm trying to compile stuff on my gentoo nocona (amd64) box. unfortunetly, i get x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc not found on the debian box. Is there a package with it or do i just symlink i486-linux-gnu-gcc? Note this is debian squeeze and both versions of gcc are 4.4.5
17:25<saulo>devil: This message is when installing the new version from SID, but I put "update-flashplugin-nonfree --install" and the flash is working! :D
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17:35<rpetre>my gnome-panel applet that checks for updates (update-notifier, i believe) keeps showing a warning that updates are outdated. running the "check for updates" from the context menu mentions that debian-multimedia's package list is somehow corrupted, however aptitude hasn't flinched
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18:19<prock>I have a network of diskless systems booting via pxe. One of my pcs doesn't support pxe boot. Recommendations? Is there a pxe boot cd?
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18:22<rpetre>there was a famous floppy image
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18:23<hal>which graphical environment do you use?
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18:23<hal>me fluxbox
18:23<prock>I knew google would return good once I'd asked the channel.
18:23<rpetre>prock: see
18:23<rpetre>oh, you found it :)
18:23<prock>rpetre: thanks very much :)
18:24<rpetre>etherboot is what i couldn't remember, now it's called gPXE it seems
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18:24<reklipz>Is it possible to use my laptop as another monitor for my desktop?
18:25<reklipz>(They are both running Debian Squeeze).
18:25<rpetre>reklipz: not directly, you'd need some sort of VNC connection
18:25<reklipz>What about as another X Screen that I can control with the same mouse/keyboard?
18:25*rpetre wishes for a laptop that supports VGA input, along output
18:25<bremner_>there is something called synergy, or so?
18:25<reklipz>I could setup synergy, but th
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18:26<reklipz>But they aren't the same X Server, which would be nice.
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18:26<rpetre>reklipz: you could try running a secondary display on your main server, then x11vnc it
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18:27<reklipz>rpetre: Interesting idea.
18:27<reklipz>x2x or synergy would be easier, however.
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18:27<reklipz>For my needs, at least.
18:28<reklipz>With the secondary display, could I drag windows from one display to another>?
18:28<rpetre>you might want to take a look at NX
18:28<rpetre>if it's the same X server, probably
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18:30<rpetre>there was a project called Xinerama that i never got to look into, i think it did/does what you need
18:30<reklipz>lol, thank you. I'll look into it.
18:31<reklipz>deprecated for randr
18:31<rpetre>you should be aware that you'd need to coax the window manager to understand the concept properly
18:32<rpetre>especially with non-identical displays
18:32<reklipz>I'm aware. I think gnome handles it decently well if I recall.
18:33<reklipz>so, we're talking xinerama + vnc, correct?
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18:33<rpetre>i don't know, i have used dual-head setups very little so far :)
18:34<rpetre>i was just brain-dumping whatever i remembered :)
18:35<reklipz>appreciate it.
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18:35<reklipz>how can I create another x display? xinit -- :1?
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18:36<rpetre>yes, that would be a separate server
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18:37<reklipz>poopy, don't want a separate server.
18:37<reklipz>Xdmx < -- win
18:37<rpetre>you probably want a display called :0.1 which i think it's called a different "screen" on the same server
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19:18<fjiels>Hello, is there any way to keep my USB stick from appearing first in the list of drives during installation (squeeze)?
19:18<fjiels>It always gets mapped to /dev/sda, and when I pull it for first reboot things get confused
19:18<dpkg>[udev] /dev/ and hotplug management daemon. Linux 2.6's userspace equivalent of <DevFS>, dependent upon a Linux kernel >= 2.6.15 (>= 2.6.27 for Squeeze). Ask me about <70>, <udev squeeze>, <udev rules>, <udev details>, <.dev>, <dpin>.
19:19<witte>!udev rules
19:19<dpkg>file:///usr/share/doc/udev/writing_udev_rules/index.html (removed at udev v151), or read it online at
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19:19<witte>fjiels: i think you should assign it using udev, and see the links above for help
19:20<fjiels>argh, annoying
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19:20<fjiels>but thanks
19:20*fjiels curses his luck
19:21<witte>fjiels: i think it should be relatively easy once you know how (i did it for net devices a long time ago, but never for usb disks)
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19:23<fjiels>yeah... I'm sure it's trivial.
19:23<fjiels>Off to do some reading.
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19:23<witte>fjiels: you might want to start here
19:24<fjiels>hey, thanks for the help
19:24<witte>wrong link
19:24<fjiels>oops :)
19:25<witte>the title of that page at least looks good
19:25<fjiels>I guess I will have to drop to a shell before the 'detect disks' part of the installer
19:25<fjiels>twiddle udev, and continue
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19:46<k-man>to install on an AMD athlong 64 x2, should i use amd64 or ia64 (or something else?)
19:46<amphi>686 or amd64
19:46<dpkg>somebody said amd64 was the Debian architecture optimized for x86-64, aka AMD64. Consider using Debian i386 on x86-64 machines if you do not have a good reason to use Debian amd64. The amd64 architecture also supports running i386 Debian with either a -686 or -amd64 kernel. core2duo machines are amd64. See and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel on OFTC and freenode. See also <why amd64>.
19:47<amphi>ia64 is itanium
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19:48<k-man>ok - so i should use x86-64?
19:48<abrotman>it's 'amd64'
19:49<k-man>ok - sorry, i found that dpkg statement confusing
19:49<rpetre>k-man: your cpu supports 2 architectures: 'i386' and 'amd64', there are different reasons for choosing one over another, but ia64 won't work
19:50<k-man>rpetre: ok, if i want to run in a 64 but guest vbox? under win7 host (64 bit)?
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19:51<rpetre>if vbox supports 64-bit guests, you still want amd64
19:51<k-man>my typing is attrocious this morning - i need more coffee
19:51<k-man>rpetre: thanks, it does
19:52<rpetre>generally "64 bit" means "amd64", althouggh there are a lot of other PC-incompatible architectures that are 64 bit
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19:54<rpetre>is there a factoid or wikipage that clarifies what "good reasons to use Debian amd64" would be?
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19:55<amphi>one is if you want a program to be able to use more than 2GB memory
19:55<abrotman>rpetre: the most basic reason not to use amd64 is if you require 32bit binary-only software and you don't want to go through the hassles
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19:59<k-man>i'm testing out the new debian installer - seems pretty damn nice so far
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20:19<edbian>When I cat /etc/debian_version I get squeeze/sid. I thought squeeze was testing?
20:19<gsimmons>dpkg: why squeeze/sid
20:19<dpkg>Why "squeeze/sid" instead of just "squeeze" or "sid"? See /usr/share/doc/base-files/FAQ ("Questions about /etc/issue and /etc/debian_version") for the answer.
20:20<sheldon>hello all, i dont be able to get sound on my debian lenny. Here my lspci -nn ->
20:20<sheldon>module snd-hda-intel is loaded
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20:28<dpkg>1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels & toggle jack sense) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) OSS modules unloaded? 5) speakers on? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. See also <list alsa users>.
20:29<witte>sheldon: try the alsa checklist
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20:30<k-man>dabian installer seems to be stuck on the Software Selection screen, it just shows me a blank page - no options or buttons to press
20:31<k-man>oh, its still working - downloading packages, just not showing me any progress in the ui
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20:39<SGI>how come when I install rrdtool on my minimal installation of Debian 5.0, it wants to install x11 and its libraries, fonts, etc; what can I do to prevent it?
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20:40<sheldon>witte, nothing works
20:40<witte>sheldon: no special notifications in dmesg?
20:41<sheldon>nothing with "dmesg | grep audio"
20:41<witte>SGI: rrdtool probably needs a graphical environment?
20:42<Knorrie>or it can create pictures with text in it
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20:43<rpetre>SGI: it needs some graphic libraries and some fonts, not x11
20:43<witte>sheldon: is the computer very new? new hardware?
20:44<sheldon>not really
20:44<sheldon>sound worked on my old ubuntu
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20:47<anthony>i've got this prob that i can't find a solution to with squeeze. GDM3, when it starts activates Caps and Num locks, and they behave erractically. If I use Slim, this doesn't happen
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21:11<abrotman>Just ask your real question
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21:37<sheldon>i have no sound on my debian lenny, here my lspci -nn
21:38<sheldon>module snd-hda-intel is loaded
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21:40<abrotman>did you /msg dpkg alsa checklist?
21:40<sheldon>i checked all and all seems ok
21:41<abrotman>is it your primary sound carD?
21:42<sheldon>laptop:~# cat /proc/asound/cards
21:42<sheldon> 0 [Intel ]: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel
21:42<sheldon> HDA Intel at 0xfcef4000 irq 22
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21:49<sheldon>no idea ?
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---Logopened Sun Oct 31 22:28:53 2010
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