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00:09<rigved>farixx: you should try out ubuntu.
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01:03<zyxware01>my text install of squeeze failed due to some libc6 package not being recognised package :O I was using testing from yesterdays
01:06<zyxware01>I went on a expert install mode , maybe I should have sticked to normal nstall where it prompts less questions
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01:10<zyxware01>The exact error is " grub-pc package failed to install into /tagrget/ without bootloader you cant boot
01:10<zyxware01>well I understood the last statement but didnt understand why everything ran nicely and grub had to fail :(
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01:13<zyxware01>Just now checked /var/log/syslog it said that it was unable to find or install 'grub-pc' ohh why wasn't it available in the CD1 of debian ?
01:13<zyxware01>BTW I didn't configure network mirror
01:14<kop>zyxware01: If you had maybe it would have gotten the package.
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01:15<zyxware01>kop, even for grub legacy it said in logs that grub has not installation candidate
01:16<zyxware01>should I try with network enabled?
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01:44<zyxware01>My grub install failed
01:44<zyxware01>I installed debian without grub
01:44<zyxware01>Now what do I do ?
01:44<Sparq__>reinstall
01:45<zyxware01>Sparq__, are you a newbie :P
01:45<Sparq__>lol yeah I'm joking
01:46<Sparq__>No clue on how to really fix that
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01:46<zyxware01>I am planning to boot via live cd and chroot into debian
01:46<zyxware01>then install the proper package in it
01:50<Sparq__>is grub a package?
01:50<Sparq__>I thought it was more of lower level thing than a program inside of the distro itself
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01:58<zyxware01>Sparq__, yes it is :D
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02:34<zyxware01>Sparq__, I succesfully booted to live cd mounted and chrooted to / of deb install and also binded /dev and /proc to it . After that I added repo and simply installed grub . everything was smooth
02:34<zyxware01>now I am booted to squeeze :D
02:35<Sparq__>sweet
02:35<zyxware01>BTW apt-get install gnome-desktop-environment is simply installing lot of X for different cards , why i sthat ?
02:35<Sparq__>what?
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02:37<jm_>because it probably depends on xorg or xserver-xorg
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02:39<zyxware01>jm_, Yeah it does . unnecessary dependency . It takes all recommended packages .. I remember something to disable --not-recommended or som flag
02:39<zyxware01>whats that ?
02:40<jm_>zyxware01: if developers did that, then people who expect gnome to install everything for X would complain :)
02:40<jm_>it's not a recommends field, it's a real dependency
02:41<jm_>anyway, aptitude why might tell you why it's installed
02:42<zyxware01>ok hmm :)
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03:01<craig>Hello All. I am having a system time issue. It appears that the system time is moving too fast. But, when I execute "hwclock --show" the time appears to decently close to actual time.
03:02<blarson>craig: If you have a good internet connection, install ntp
03:02<craig>I have setup ntp to monitor 3 local time servers
03:02<craig>and ntpq -p recognises the ofset is massive
03:02<craig>offset*
03:02<craig>for all 3 servers
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03:05<craig>I cannont be 100% sure it is setup perfectly. From default install of ntp and ntpdate. I modifed the /etc/ntp.conf to include my 3 servers and not the default ones. and modified the /etc/default/ntpdate.conf to use only the same servers aswell
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03:07<craig>does anyone know the command to force ntp to synchronize?
03:09<jm_>use ntpdate for that
03:10<jm_>ntpdate-debian to be exact
03:13<craig>OK ntpdate-debian seemed to correct the offset and correct the time displayed for the date command
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03:15<craig>and after fiddling arround with the gnome panel clock app (switch time zone to a random one and then back) it seemed to display the correct time. But, now when i run ntpdate-debian it says: "2 Nov 03:16:09 ntpdate[19615]: the NTP socket is in use, exiting"
03:16<craig>What does that mean
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03:26<Zaba>craig, it means ntpd is running, probably
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03:30<craig>right, as of now my system time as given by date is already 3 mins. faster than what it should even after a sucessful sync using ntpdate-debain
03:31<dondelelcaro>craig: check the output of adjtimex -p; and make sure that it makes sense
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03:32<jm_>you might also consider trying different clocksource kernel options
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03:33<craig>waiting for it to install. on a side note, I have overclocked my proc using the tools in the bios during boot
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03:34<dondelelcaro>that really shouldn't matter, because the clock is separate
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03:35<craig>That's what i figured. during install it said: Comparing clocks (this will take 70 sec)...done.
03:35<craig>Adjusting system time by -7883.5 sec/day to agree with CMOS clock...done.
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03:36<craig>and the results of adjtimex -p are:
03:36<craig>mode: 0 offset: 0 frequency: 3658675 maxerror: 748016 esterror: 16 status: 64time_constant: 4 precision: 1 tolerance: 32768000 tick: 9087 raw time: 1288683380s 426377us = 1288683380.426377
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03:39<dondelelcaro>craig: ok, now restart ntp, and things should be slightly better
03:39<dondelelcaro>craig: though that's a *huge* tick adjustment
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03:42<craig>the time is off by about 3 mins.
03:42<dondelelcaro>craig: even after restarting ntp?
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03:43<craig>ya /etc/init.d/ntp restart
03:44<dondelelcaro>craig: ok, stop ntpd, and run ntpd -qgn; and check the clock immediately afterwards
03:45<dondelelcaro>craig: if it's not within a second immediately afterwads, there is a problem
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03:46<craig>ntpd -qgn; date
03:46<craig>ntpd: time set -131.948611s
03:46<craig>Tue Nov 2 03:45:38 EDT 2010
03:46<grateremo>hello
03:46<craig>is about a min late
03:46<craig>i mean a min fast
03:46<dondelelcaro>craig: that's actually about right
03:46<dondelelcaro>craig: whatever clock you're comparing it to is wrong
03:46<craig>nevermind sorry ... yes... a min late
03:47<dondelelcaro>Tue Nov 2 07:47:06 UTC 2010
03:47<dondelelcaro>that's the right time
03:47<craig>ok
03:47<craig>do you believe it will stay in sync
03:47<craig>?
03:47<dondelelcaro>craig: if you now start ntpd, it should, yes.
03:47<craig>and or what was the issue
03:48<dondelelcaro>craig: the issue is that your tick was way wrong, so it exceeded the threshold of ntp, which causes ntp to stop trying to set the clock
03:49<grateremo>when your done with craig i would like to ask you somthing if you have time
03:49<craig>Please forgive me, but what is tick?
03:49<dondelelcaro>craig: the number of ticks per second, iirc.
03:50<@Ganneff>!tell grateremo -about ask
03:50<dondelelcaro>craig: man adjtimex; for details
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03:51<craig>ok I will. Thank you very very much!
03:51<dondelelcaro>craig: np
03:51<grateremo>I am trying to update from kubuntu 10.04 to 10.10 which i have just downloaded off there site but when i finish installing it it wont load of the HD
03:51<@Ganneff>!ubuntu
03:51<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
03:51<dondelelcaro>grateremo: ask in #kubuntu on FN
03:52<grateremo>ok thanxs
03:53<grateremo>how do i get to it (sorry)
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03:54<dondelelcaro>grateremo: /server irc.freenode.net; when you're there, /join #kubuntu
03:54<grateremo>ok thanks
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04:06<Guest1593>when downloading debian, there are 52 cd's to choose between.. Is there a description somewhere, telling what the different cd's contain?
04:07<jm_>!cd contents
04:07<dpkg>To find out what is on what disk, examine the package lists within the list-{cd,dvd} subdirectories for the relevant architecture at http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/ (e.g. http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/i386/list-cd/).
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04:07<jm_>so yes, there is
04:08<Guest1593>thanks
04:08<Guest1593>and "standard" is just number 1?
04:08<jm_>you shouldn't need them all, especially if you can install from the net
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04:09<Guest1593>ok
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04:31<albin>I'm having a weird problem with my machine running squeeze: occationally (seemingly at random) when it wakes up from suspend (pm-suspend) to RAM, it's extremely slow and the hard drive seems to be under heavy use. Sometimes it wears off after a while, most of the time it doesn't.
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04:34<jm_>albin: many people report this with in-kernel suspend, try tux-on-ice
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04:42<albin>jm_: doesn't that require kernel patches?
04:42<jm_>albin: unfortunatelly yes
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04:45<albin>The linux-patch-tuxonice doesn't seem to be available to squeeze either
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04:57<albin>Hm. It seems to be going away from Debian entirely.
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06:13<tecneeq>hi gents and gentlettes
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06:23<user99>hi, iam using ntlmaps for proxy authentication to a windows proxy server. its basically a python file that run un the background to handle the authentication, iam running this on Debian Squeeze, the python script takes up 100% of one of my cores each time it is used(for instance when I download packages via synaptic)
06:24<the-dude>user99: try cntlm instead
06:25<user99>thanks, will try it
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06:27<user99>ntlmaps worked fine on Lenny all along
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07:07<vizor>hi guys, what is the kernel process kworker? may be someone know
07:07<vizor>what does it do?
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07:11<tecneeq>i know. let me guess, it slows down your hardware quite a bit?
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07:11<vizor>yes, but not always
07:11<tecneeq>try this: echo N > /sys/module/drm_kms_helper/parameters/poll
07:11<tecneeq>solves your problem
07:12<tecneeq>add it to /etc/rc.local before the ,,exit 0'' line and you are good
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07:12<vizor>but for what this process need?
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07:15<tecneeq>polling of hdmi i believe, if there is a new device it is automatically recognized
07:15<tecneeq>i think if you search for ,,kslowd sluggish mouse'' you get more detailed answers
07:16<vizor>tecneeq: ok thx
07:16<tecneeq>my pleasure, leave a tip at entrance ;)
07:18<vizor>))
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07:21<vizor>tecneeq: actually what is N in your suggestion "echo N > /sys/module/drm_kms_helper/parameters/poll"? Should I replace it with some digit and leave as is?
07:22<tecneeq>N in this case means literally N ;)
07:22<vizor>:)
07:22<vizor>ok
07:22<tecneeq>like in [N]ever poll
07:22<vizor>thx again
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07:29<Zaba>is there a way to keep apt-get dist-upgrade from reinstalling an essential package that I have removed?
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07:31<devil>Zaba: put it on hold
07:31<bzed>Zaba: you should never remove essential packages.
07:31<devil>oh, removed...
07:32<Zaba>heh, it's not like it breaks my system or something in this specific case. The only problem is keeping it removed.
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07:38<bremner>Zaba: I guess you are on your own if you want to remove essential packages.
07:39<bremner>I don't think apt can really work for you.
07:40<bremner>Zaba: out of curiousity, what are you trying to accomplish?
07:41<Zaba>nothing criminal, I just have no need for sysvinit and I want to remove it
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07:48<bremner>I guess you could try making your own sysvinit package and installing that. But really, is this the most important thing you want to spend time on?
07:50<Zaba>not really, no. It doesn't break anything for me if it's around, I was just wondering whether there's a nice way to keep it out.
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07:51<jm_>the simplest would probably be equivs
07:51<bremner>this why people discourage making pages essential...
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07:52<bremner>definitely a "don't whine to us if this breaks your system" kindof thing, but yeah, /msg dpkg equivs
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08:13<juanma>ola
08:13<juanma>xD
08:15<jm_>!es
08:15<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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08:16<juanma>olaa
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08:16<juanma>hay algien?
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08:28<icebrain>hi, any idea why a fuse filesystem (encfs) is giving me a kernel Oops and killing the processes tryign to read its mountpoint on Squeeze (2.6.32), but the same FS with the same version works fine on Sid (2.6.33) on another machine?
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08:29<juanma>ola gente!
08:30<juanma>xD
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08:34<mac7>Hi, hopefully someone can help me. I get this message but do not know what to do. "You need to enable desktop effects (composer) to apply and customize themes." Please help
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09:25<n3v>hi, anybody with "Maximum number of clients reached" problem?
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09:34<fooser>hi all
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09:36*supplicant waves
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09:59<EmleyMoor>Are USB-to-parallel leads any good?
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10:00<supplicant>EmleyMoor: I tried that with a printer once, but no luck. I then gave up because the printer was a network printer
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10:03<mjt>what's going on with dash-vs-bash nowadays? I see dash is now a default shell for new install, that's ok. But now I can't set it to be default on _existing_ install, it just errors out.
10:03<mjt>when _dash_ were installed, it added a diversion for /bin/sh owned by _bash_ (not dash).
10:04<mjt>now when i dpkg-reconfigure it to be default shell, it says that the diversion isn't his.
10:04<edl>think i solved my probs with the raptor disk, pluged it in to another comp with xp on it and succesfully booted and then wiped the disk with diskmanager.
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10:06<EmleyMoor>supplicant: Shame mine isn't
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10:06<EmleyMoor>We are about to decommission the last computer in this room with parallel
10:07<mjt>edl: that's.. fantastic. on linux it's trivial to do various things with disks.. you needed xp for that ;)
10:07<supplicant>EmleyMoor: your results may vary
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11:32<yohann>test
11:32<rpetre>test failed
11:32<yohann>hello all !!
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11:33<yohann>sure ??? test failed
11:34<yohann>some frenche ?
11:34<rpetre>!fr
11:34<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net.
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11:42<flh>大家好,这是中文的吗?
11:43<flh>debhelper,: 你好,这是中文吗?
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11:45<flh>大家好
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11:45<flh>braindump, 这里是中文的吗?
11:46<braindump>excuse me?
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11:46<braindump>What is that and why would I want one?
11:46<flh>braindump, think
11:47<braindump>私はそれが何であるかを知らない
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12:12<munga>hello. I use schroot . how do I copy a file in the chroot in an easy way ?
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12:23<Myon>munga: cp file /path/to/chroot/dir ?
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12:39<Lantizia>Hey, I was moving a 1.83TB ext3 partition down by 100mb... but my pc's power reset when GParted was about 20GB of the way through moving.
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12:39<Lantizia>Using testdisk it can see the original partition (starting at cylinder 13 rather than 1)... but I'm worried if I recover it then I've either lost 100mb or 20GB
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12:42<kop>Lantizia: It would start by shrinking the filesystem, then would update the partition size to reclaim the space. So test the filesystem integrity, and fix it if it's broken.
12:43<Lantizia>kop, so do you believe any data will be missing?
12:43<romka>Україно я не бачу тебе???
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12:44<kop>Lantizia: Dunno. I would guess not, that gparted does things in a safe way -- if that's possible. You should also read the parted docs to see if it says what to do in your situation.
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12:44<kop>!ru
12:44<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net. or use English here.
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12:45<kop>Lantizia: You will definately want to fix the fs though.
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12:45<Lantizia>kop, so from what you first said... am I right in thinking that gparted won't have moved any data in to that 100mb space if it can help it? ... i.e. just reshape the filesystem boundaries around the data?
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12:47<kop>Lantizia: What kind of filesystem? It will have to move the filesystem data to make sure none is in the disk that will no longer be in the partition after resizing.
12:47<Lantizia>ext3
12:48<kop>Lantizia: That's spread over the whole partition, so some data must be moved. But probably running fsck will fix it without data loss and then you can start over.,
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12:48<Lantizia>well I can understand it may move any data in the last 100mbs of the filesystem to someplace else in the filesystem... but no reason to move the first 100mb back by 100mb surely?
12:48<Lantizia>why no data loss?
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12:49<kop>Lantizia: Because parted can move the data to empty space _before_ updating the directory structure, so the old stuff is still pointed to if it gets interrupted. It all depends on the data structures involved, but at least in theory that's possible and I bet it's true in practice.
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12:50<Lantizia>kop, so your betting there is no unique data in that first 100mb?
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12:51<kop>Lantizia: No. I don't know why the first 100MB moved. I don't know how you say which end to shrink.
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12:51<Lantizia>I'm loosing you now
12:52<Lantizia>I told it to move the partition down by 100mb
12:52<usu>HELLO
12:52<usu>OLA
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12:52<kop>Lantizia: It could make the extra space at the beginning or the end.
12:52<kop>!tell usu about es-social
12:52<usu>OLA
12:52<Lantizia>kop, extra space?
12:53<usu>HABLA EN ESPAÑOL
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12:53<kop>Lantizia: You are shrinking the partition. The space removed becomes unpartitioned space.
12:53<usu>OLA
12:53<kop>!es
12:53<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
12:53<usu>HELLO
12:53<usu>DEBIAN
12:53<kop>usu: You have a question?
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12:53<supplicant>!ask
12:53<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
12:53<Lantizia>kop, no I'm not shrinking - I'm moving...
12:53<usu>OK
12:54<usu>SPEAK SPANISH???
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12:54<kop>usu: No. See above.
12:54<ompaul>!tell usu about es
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12:55<kop>Lantizia: fsck it and see if there are errors. If not, nothing is lost.
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12:56<Lantizia>kop... lets say I'm moving a partition that exists from the 10mb mark to the 40mb mark... to the 0mb mark to the 30mb mark... but I only use 20mb of data on the filesystem... gparted first task would be to resize the partition from 10-40 to 10-30 right?
12:57<Lantizia>i.e. so no data is in 30-40
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13:06<default0>hm.. i just installed openoffice.org3 by converting my .rpm packages to .deb, and it works but left openoffice2.4 installed
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13:07<default0>in synaptic package manager only the recent one is listed... so how can i uninstall only the old version?
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13:07<romka>Україна є на зв"язку???
13:08<default0>cd /usr/
13:08<themill>default0: there are debian packages for 3.x that you should use. /msg dpkg backports.debian.org
13:08<default0>oops
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13:08<default0>ok, but i already installed 3.2
13:09<default0>i had downloaded the rpm format when i had slackware
13:09<themill>no, you've installed some mess
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13:09<ompaul>default0: the problem you now have is that you have a package which was not built for debian, therefore debian package management has no real clue how to deal with it
13:09<default0>it works tho... ok, so there'll be issues later i guess
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13:10<default0>so uninstall that by the /opt/openoffice.org3 directories install file like normal right (that's how i did it in slackware)?
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13:11<ompaul>default0: you need to remove all the parts that were installed by your conversion and then you can look at the right way - if that is how you installed it you may (should perhaps) get away with it - but as you did what you did we don't know were not there etc
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13:12<default0>i converted with "alien" the .rpm packages to .deb, then dpkg -i *.deb ... so hoping that the ordinary uninstall method works
13:13<default0>maybe not :/
13:13<ompaul>default0: you could try that with the package name in there apt-get remove --purge package-name (no promises)
13:14<themill>default0: I'd suggest getting rid of everything with openoffice in the name: "aptitude purge ~nopenoffice" and then installing the OOo3.x packages from backports
13:14<default0>ok ill try aptitude purge (might be weird cos i have two versions?)
13:15<default0>what are backports?
13:15<themill>that command should get rid of both of them.
13:15<default0>ok
13:15<themill>dpkg: tell default0 about backports.debian.org
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13:19<default0>aptitude purge went thru its process and came up with nothing to remove, install etc
13:19<default0>oh
13:19<default0>i wrote NOopenoffice
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13:23<default0>ok it left /opt/openoffice.org/basis3.2 directory and some files, should i rm -r it?
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13:24<default0>and when i open gui synaptic it shows office3 as if it is still installed
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13:24<default0>hm
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13:32<default0>yea synaptic is weird, even when i uninstall it says success but leave them marked as installed. ayayay
13:34<default0>prob insignificant but don't know why it would screw up
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13:40<default0>ok, i have updated the apt-get sources.list, what name for openoffice.org 3.2 should i type to get it?
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13:42<kop>default0: aptitude -t lenny-backports install whatever
13:42<default0>yep, but do you know the name of openoffice 3.2
13:42<default0>just openoffice?
13:42<default0>dont want to get an old version thats all
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13:44<miniminiyo>Hi, one question, what is te ISO I should be use to install Wicd in Debian Lenny?
13:45<miniminiyo>sorry but my english is very little
13:45<cahoot>miniminiyo: possibly from backports.debian.org
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13:46<miniminiyo>yes, but I can´t use internet conecctoin because I use only wireless conection
13:46<miniminiyo>I can´t undenstan a "how to" in Internet and I search but nothing
13:47<miniminiyo>all of this are incompleted or I cant use in lenny
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13:49<chealer>miniminiyo: You don't need wicd to use a wireless connection. What kind of connection do you have? Is it secured?
13:49<miniminiyo>WPA
13:50<chealer>miniminiyo: What kind of WPA, WPA-PSK?
13:50<miniminiyo>Im desperate
13:50<miniminiyo>WPA simple
13:51<chealer>miniminiyo: I suppose you use WPA-PSK. In any case, you'll need wpasupplicant. Do you have it?
13:52<miniminiyo>i think, yes but I actuaali don´t get in debian im in ubuntu9.04 live
13:52<miniminiyo>how i know this if ay stay here
13:53<chealer>miniminiyo: With which media did you install Debian?
13:54<miniminiyo>i install debian with CD
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13:54<miniminiyo>but i don´t have a wicd in this CD
13:55<miniminiyo>sorry bye
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13:59<ichi>ciao a tutti
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13:59<kop>!it
13:59<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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14:00<ichi>ok grazie
14:00<ichi>ok, thanks
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14:10<default0>ok thumps up, oo.org3 works
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14:11<default0>the /opt/openoffice.org directory and some files still there, but some files were deleted when i installed it again (so i don't know if to leave the rest or not... does the normal install usually leave that directory?)
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14:13<default0>just one other weirdness, the buttons in the oo.org menu only appear button-like when my mouse hovers over it, and the office programs used to be black backgrounds like my theme (but that doesn't matter as it was the only program except epiphany that i didn't want that effect) anyway cheers
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14:21<EmleyMoor>I'm trying to put a CD in my writer but it won't stay open
14:22<EmleyMoor>Having to drop it in quickly!
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14:26<mib_plgzt1>hi i have small question
14:26<EmleyMoor>Something VERY odd going on with it - not staying open, busy when I try to write to it...
14:26<mib_plgzt1>few minutes later i have already installed debian
14:27<mib_plgzt1>but there wasn't drivers to my network davice
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14:27<mib_plgzt1>and i found theme
14:27<default0>maybe it has doubts about what your taste in music
14:27<EmleyMoor>default0: no music involved
14:28<amphi>mib_plgzt1: what is the device?
14:28<mib_plgzt1>is there any posibiliti that fresh installed debian from dvd dont't have gcc installed?
14:28<EmleyMoor>mib_plgzt1: Highly likely
14:28<mib_plgzt1>i found the drivers
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14:29<mib_plgzt1>but my shell says that i have to get gcc
14:29<amphi>!rejoice
14:29*dpkg waves a finger in the air. "Yay."
14:29<mib_plgzt1>to install drivers
14:29<mib_plgzt1>is there posibiliti that i dont have gcc on fresh installed debian?
14:29<amphi>mib_plgzt1: aptitude install build-essential, and the headers for your kernel
14:29<EmleyMoor>mib_plgzt1: Perhaps if you told us about the device we could find you an easier way
14:29<amphi>mib_plgzt1: yes, it's not installed by default
14:30<mib_plgzt1>so how to do that
14:30<mib_plgzt1>?
14:30<mib_plgzt1>are the deb
14:30<mib_plgzt1>packages on that dvd i hav in hand
14:30<mib_plgzt1>?
14:30<amphi>mib_plgzt1: mirabile dictu, there some linux users who don't use a c compiler *at* *all*
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14:30<amphi>mib_plgzt1: is the type of device a secret?
14:30<mib_plgzt1>marvel yukon
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14:31<amphi>crazy name, crazy, er, device
14:31<EmleyMoor>Why would I be having this DVD writer problem?
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14:32<amphi>!yukon
14:32<dpkg>i heard sky2 is the Marvell Yukon 2 Gigabit Ethernet driver, included in the mainline Linux kernel. Supported devices are listed at http://wiki.debian.org/sky2 . See also <88e8059>.
14:32<EmleyMoor>My DVD ROM drive is happy to stay open
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14:32<amphi>mib_plgzt1: ^^^ is that the thing?
14:33<amphi>EmleyMoor: the cup-holder?
14:33<mib_plgzt1>i have go 88e8057
14:33<mib_plgzt1>and i finded
14:33<retrospectacus>EmleyMoor: will it stay open if you open it at e.g. the bios screen?
14:33<mib_plgzt1>theme but i cant compile it
14:33<amphi>theme?
14:33<mib_plgzt1>because problems of gcc
14:34<mib_plgzt1>drivers
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14:34<EmleyMoor>retrospectacus: I'd need to reboot to find that out. It was always fine under lenny
14:34<mib_plgzt1>them*
14:34<EmleyMoor>mib_plgzt1: You shouldn't need to compile them
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14:34<mib_plgzt1>sorry my english is not so good
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14:34<retrospectacus>mib_plgzt1: you almost certainly don't need to compile any drivers, you probably don't need to do anything at all
14:35<retrospectacus>mib_plgzt1: please run: lspci -nn and show us the line for the device
14:35<amphi>his card doesn't seem to be supported by the sky2 driver, according to the wiki
14:35<mib_plgzt1>i am on windows because i dont have connection
14:35<amphi>mib_plgzt1: you a sure it's 88e8057 ?
14:36<mib_plgzt1>yes
14:36<amphi>you installed lenny/stable?
14:36<themill>there's not enough digits in that pciid
14:36<mib_plgzt1>lenny
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14:37<mib_plgzt1>i have got drivers to ethernet card from http://www.marvell.com/support.html
14:38<amphi>mib_plgzt1: 88e8059 is supported by the sky2 driver in s.6.32, apparently, so 57 should be also
14:38<mib_plgzt1>for kernel 2.6
14:38<amphi>or could be ;)
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14:38<amphi>mib_plgzt1: so you could either try debian testing, or a kmuto kernel with lenny/stable
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14:38<amphi>mib_plgzt1: http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/
14:39-!-mode/#debian [+l 445] by debhelper
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14:40<mib_plgzt1>but i have downloaded drivers for ethernet card
14:40<mib_plgzt1>but i have problem to install them
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14:41<mib_plgzt1>it says that i dont have gcc
14:41<mib_plgzt1>i found some .deb files with gcc
14:41<mib_plgzt1>on dvd with debian 5.0.6 lenny
14:41<mib_plgzt1>and i try to install them
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14:42<amphi>you should install the build-essential package
14:42<mib_plgzt1>but always there are som errors that i don't have g++4.3 and
14:42<mib_plgzt1>what is that
14:42<mib_plgzt1>?
14:42<EmleyMoor>That's g++ - a C++ compiler
14:42<mib_plgzt1>is it on dvd1?
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14:42<mib_plgzt1>or have i to download?
14:42<amphi>!quotd49
14:43<amphi>!qotd49
14:43<dpkg><tcsetattr> build-essential contains all of the ... um ... essential stuff. For building.
14:43*EmleyMoor does a Magnus Pyke
14:43<mib_plgzt1>nice
14:43<mib_plgzt1>maybe that will solve the problems
14:43<mib_plgzt1>so have i to find it on the net?
14:43<mib_plgzt1>or is it on the dvd 1?
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14:43<amphi>mib_plgzt1: it may well not; with such hw, I think you'd be better off with kmuto or debian testing
14:44<amphi>mib_plgzt1: it's a metapackage, 'finding it on the net' would not be much use
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14:44<amphi>mib_plgzt1: why are you not using aptitude or apt-get for such things?
14:44*amphi sense blunderings
14:45<mib_plgzt1>becouse i on debian i dont have connection to the internet ?
14:45<amphi>mib_plgzt1: they will allow you to search for packages on the dvd & install them
14:45<mib_plgzt1>ok
14:46<amphi>if you are not aware of that, attempting to build a kernel module is not going to be much fun
14:46<mib_plgzt1>i thought that it is only used to find package on the net
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14:47<mib_plgzt1>ok so i will try to apt-get
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14:47<amphi>mib_plgzt1: why not use a kmuto kernel which probably has the driver? did you even look at the link I posted?
14:47<mib_plgzt1>yes
14:47<mib_plgzt1>i just wanted to say
14:48<mib_plgzt1>that if the apt-get dont help me
14:48<mib_plgzt1>than i will download kmuto kernel
14:48<mib_plgzt1>;)
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14:48<amphi>why not try that first?
14:48<amphi>if it works, it's much less work than building a module
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14:50<mib_plgzt1>it's not equal to reinstall the system from the beggining?
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14:50<mib_plgzt1>installing kernel?
14:51<amphi>I don't know if you can install just a kernel from kmuto
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14:53<amphi>mib_plgzt1: or you could grab a kernel from backports.debian.org
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14:53<amphi>mib_plgzt1: search for 'linux-image'
14:54<retrospectacus>mib_plgzt1: and no, the kernel is nothing like reinstalling the system
14:54<amphi>retrospectacus: I think he asked WRT kmuto
14:55<mib_plgzt1>i decided to install kmuto kernel
14:55<amphi>mib_plgzt1: good luck
14:55<mib_plgzt1>thx
14:56<mib_plgzt1>i am downloading boot.img.gz
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14:56<mib_plgzt1>could you give me a short instruction
14:56<mib_plgzt1>how to install that
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14:58<george_>What is the apt-XXXX command to show all the files in a package and where they're put?
14:58<ansgar>george_: dpkg -L
14:59<dondelelcaro>george_: or apt-file
14:59<george_>Yeah, the apt-file was the one I couldnt remember. Is dpkg -l and dpkg -L different things?
14:59<george_>Obviosuly I guess.
14:59<EmleyMoor>I can't even write a CD on my laptop - device busy
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15:00<amphi>EmleyMoor: lsof should show what's using the device
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15:05<beer>will squeeze have a more recent version of nvidia-glx that the 195 ?
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15:06<themill>beer: versions in squeeze are highly unlikely to change at this stage
15:06<beer>;(
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15:07<beer>I am just asking beocuse I sometimes see artifact with kde 4.4 in squeeze and they might have been fixed with new'er version of nvidia-glx
15:08<themill>,versions nvidia-glx
15:08<judd>Package nvidia-glx on i386 -- etch/non-free: 1.0.8776-4; lenny/non-free: 173.14.09-5; squeeze/non-free: 195.36.24-4; sid/non-free: 195.36.31-5; experimental/non-free: 256.53-2
15:08<themill>beer: you can play with experimental if you feel brave and want to practice unbreaking things... /msg dpkg experimental
15:09<EmleyMoor>amphi: lsof is of no help
15:09<amphi>fuser?
15:09<timon>hello :)
15:09<fresh>Hi :)
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15:10<EmleyMoor>amphi: How do I use it?
15:10<timon>I just wrote my first init script and probably implemented a security hole =)
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15:11<chealer>george_: yes, -l lists packages, -L lists files
15:11<beer>I haved hoped that squezze would be my linux home for some years (eg while it is stable). Within the next few year I could either run testing or squeeze +backports of drivere (the the problem has been proper fixed)
15:12<EmleyMoor>fuser seems to be of no help either
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15:13<sudoman>hi. i have just a quick question. where can i find the patches that are used to compile packages for debian?
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15:15<bremner>sudoman: patch-tracker.debian.org is broken right now, so use apt-get source packagename
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15:16<bremner>sudoman: is this a learning experience, or are you trying to accomplish something specific?
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15:16<sudoman>bremner: thanks. i'm not using debian right now. i'm trying to help someone find patches to use with archlinuxppc
15:17<bremner>you can also download the source packages directly on packages.debian.org
15:18<sudoman>ok thanks. when will patch-tracker be working again?
15:19<bremner>no idea, sorry
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15:19<bremner>it's a know problem, I just don't know what the difficulty is.
15:20<jthomas_sb_>I am trying to set up a server with Exim4; I've run dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config and I've set up the domains to relay for; I've put into /etc/aliases the line " jthomas: jthomas@mydomain.com " and I've restarted Exim4. When I send an email to jthomas however, it is going to root (likely as a bounce). What am I doing wrong that it won't relay out?
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15:20<tus>dont
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15:21<tus>..er...crap
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15:22<speedvin>Hello!
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15:22<bremner>jthomas_sb_: did you try running "Mail -v jthomas"
15:23<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... writing a CD seems to work as root on my laptop
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15:25<jthomas_sb_>bremner i tested with 'mail -s SUBJECT jthomas [enter] ' — that -v is a nice flag; i see its interpreting jthomas as jthomas@thisboxdomain.com but i want it to not do that
15:25<josma>hola
15:26<jthomas_sb_>muy buenos
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15:28<jthomas_sb_>bremner even if i have in /etc/aliases the line " jthomas@thisboxdomain.com: jthomas@mydomain.com " , the emails aren't even being attempted for forwarding to jthomas@mydomain.com
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15:31<bremner>hmm. I think I just set something like this up a few days ago, but I can't get to that box right now. I don't think I needed the extra alias with the local domain.
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15:32<jthomas_sb_>with or without the local domain, it is trying to send out to the real MX server
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15:34<bremner>oh. The box I was using didn't have an mx fwiw
15:34<brbrooks>hello, is there any documentation for tracing a packet through the kernel? Socket -> RJ45?
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15:43<braindump>jeremyb: ping
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15:44<tuseroni>yeah,
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15:46<tuseroni>ooo
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15:47<austin>...
15:47<acu>why is debian on freenode based on membership only ?
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15:47<austin>ah ok i can see things...
15:47<tuseroni>can
15:47<austin>aww only one word of it sent...
15:48<austin>tuseroni there is on an html irc client i just made...
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15:48<austin>it has some issues..
15:48<EmleyMoor>acu: Anti-spam measure
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15:49<tuseroni>why
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15:51<nottus>and
15:51<nottus>"and
15:51<austin>wtf?
15:52<bremner>acu: it probably just requires you to register a nick
15:52<nottus>hello world
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15:55<austin>i have to do something about that ghost...
15:56<austin>also it seems im having some timeout issues too...
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15:57<EmleyMoor>I am trying to make a USB stick version of Ultimate Boot CD - but I can't make it work. Any of you ever done it?
15:58<testus>bout time he pinged out..
15:58<tracker>guys is there any options other than apache?
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15:59<EmleyMoor>tracker: For what?
15:59<tracker>for web server
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16:00<EmleyMoor>tracker: There are other web servers - if they will do what you want
16:00<testus>ok, i found out why only one word went through. seems you need to put a colon before the message
16:00<testus>most clients do these things automatically ^_^
16:00<tracker><EmleyMoor> : such as
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16:01<tus>but i need to make sure he can stay alive
16:01<tus>i dont know if its the script timing out or the socket...
16:01<EmleyMoor>mini-httpd...
16:02<EmleyMoor>micro-httpd...
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16:02<testus>maybe i should ping the webpage so it keeps getting data...
16:02<EmleyMoor>apache, though, is the major one
16:02<tus>but then my listen has to have a timeout....im not sure if that will work...
16:03<testus>talking about web servers?
16:03<bremner>does any of this discussion have to do with getting support for Debian?
16:03<testus>i like apache myself (talking to you from php running in apache wee)
16:04<testus>bremner: mine doesnt, im just testing my irc client...
16:04<bremner>testus: please don't do that here.
16:05<default0>...does anyone with openoffice.org installed have a directory /opt/openoffice.org/ with files in it? (wonder if it's purely for the last faulty install or if i can delete it)
16:05<testus>im sorry....
16:05<bremner>default0: debian does not install things in /opt
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16:05<default0>thanks
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16:10<jeremyb>braindump: pong
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16:21<ddssdd>Hello
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16:37<ani`>http://www.solus-os.info/forums/ guys check that debian based kde
16:37<ani`>may be based on Sid/squeeze ... idk just some info
16:38<default0>kde is why i escaped slackware today
16:38<ani`>:D .. btw i like openbox
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16:40<default0>k this, k that... k, k, friggin k. it's sinister
16:40<default0>:)
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16:41<ani`>lol
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16:51<mibber>hi
16:51<speedvin>mibber: hi
16:51<mibber>i have got the problem
16:51<speedvin>mibber: :)
16:51<mibber>i downloaded kmuto kernel
16:51<mibber>and i don't know how to use it
16:52<speedvin>mibber: restart your computer
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16:52<speedvin>mibber: and in grub select kmuto kernel
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16:54<mibber>grub automaticly add kmuto kernel from pendrive that has mount file *.img?
16:54<speedvin>mibber: you installed kernel from deb?
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16:54<mibber>no
16:54<mibber>i have downloaded the image
16:55<mibber>boot.img from the kmuto site
16:55<speedvin>mibber: It won't
16:55<speedvin>mibber: you have to add it manually
16:55<mibber>so my question was how to do that :D?
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16:56<mibber>because on his site i haven't found any manual
16:56<mibber>or faq
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16:59<mibber>or maybe how can i find sky2 deb file?
16:59<mibber>with drivers
16:59<speedvin>brb
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17:12<butters_>Hello, Im sort of new at linux, and i was suggested a debian bpo by someone else, however, even after reading the debian backports site, im not sure i understand what it means to be a backported kernel
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17:14<amphi>butters_: a newer version of the kernel than the one in the stable release, packaged for the stable release
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17:16<qq->2.6.32 vs 2.6.26
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17:17<butters_>okay, is there a particular reason that I should stay with the bpo or switch? Also, would that some how in any way have somethiing to do with the fact that I all my programs that use strlen cause segfaults?
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17:18<amphi>butters_: strlen causes segfaults ;)
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17:18<buwar>hey somebody here can help me?
17:18<amphi>butters_: I very much doubt it's the kernel - you're sure you're not passing null pointers to strlen?
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17:19<butters_>yes, i printed out the string and everything before it
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17:19<butters_>and it happens with all strlen calls
17:19<amphi>only in programs you write? ;)
17:19<butters_>yes
17:19<mase>:D
17:20<amphi>butters_: so not a kernel problem, in all probability ;)
17:20<butters_>amphi: okay, but its still a scary problem
17:20<chealer>butters_: if strlen always segfaults, you have a critical problem, more likely the result of a hardware failure than a bug.
17:21<butters_>chealer: but software not compiled by me that uses strlen runs fine
17:21<amphi>butters_: what does gdb show you happening?
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17:22<chealer>butters_: the stock kernel is assumed more stable and patched faster. the bpo kernel is newer, with more hardware supported.
17:23<butters_>amphi: gdb Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
17:23<butters_>0x0000000000600920 in strlen@@GLIBC_2.2.5 ()
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17:24<chealer>butters_: yeah... so that's a very different problem. the kernel is low level, unlikely to impact strlen
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17:25<butters_>chealer: okay, does that mean its a problem with libc?
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17:26<mase>butters_ yes, but its strange that only your aplications crashes
17:27<mase>butters_ otherwise nearly none application would run
17:28<valdyn>butters_: you just found a bug in your app, doesnt means strlen is broken
17:29-!-mode/#debian [+l 445] by debhelper
17:29<butters_>valdyn: i made a second test program tahts a few lines and tested strlen
17:29<butters_>valdyn: and it segfaults
17:29<mase>butters_ can you pastebin it?
17:29<valdyn>butters_: same programming error?
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17:32<valdyn>$ grep strlen /usr/bin/* | wc -l
17:32<valdyn>834
17:32<butters_>http://pastebin.com/p7C8GCWK the test program
17:32<valdyn>thats the amount of programs using strlen vs ~2000 programs in there
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17:33<valdyn>butters_: this is only your programming error
17:33<mase>butters_ hmm, that should work of course...
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17:34<amphi>yes, it should
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17:35<valdyn>funny
17:35<valdyn>butters_: try debsums against the libc6-dev package?
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17:36<butters_>valdyn: um, did I mention I was new to this? Whats debsums?
17:36<amphi>butters_: or install the libc dbg package, and step through the strlen call in gdb, and see what you see
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17:36<valdyn>butters_: aptitude install debsums; debsums libc6-dev
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17:37<butters_>okay, i did
17:37<chealer>butters_: it could be a libc problem, but better paste the gdb output you get with the test case
17:38<valdyn>butters_: repeat for libc6
17:38<butters_>valdyn: okay, what should I be seeing?
17:38<valdyn>butters_: nothing if theres no error
17:39<valdyn>butters_: uh, no, alot of files with OK at the end
17:39<valdyn>butters_: you can make this easier via "debsums | grep -v OK$"
17:40<chealer>valdyn: debsums -s
17:40<valdyn>chealer: nice
17:41<valdyn>butters_: dont run just debsums.. specify a package or this will take forever
17:41<butters_>debsums -s didnt give any output, so i assume its good?
17:41<valdyn>butters_: yes
17:41<butters_>http://pastebin.com/xePh2iaY gdb output for the test program
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17:42<valdyn>butters_: compile with debugging symbols
17:42<valdyn>butters_: and have libc6-dbg installed
17:43<althaser>someone having trouble with amd64 rtl8192e_pci module ? I can't connect to any wireless ... :/
17:43<amphi>butters_: you could have gdb break on the strlen call, and then step through it
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17:43<butters_>valdyn" apt-get says I have broken package dependancies and cant install libc6-dbg
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17:44<valdyn>butters_: what did you do to break dependencies?
17:44<butters_>valdyn: im not sure, Ive never tried to install libc6-dbg
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17:44<chealer>butters_: when was that machine installed?
17:45<valdyn>butters_: you installed non-debian packages or you are mixing different debian releases or you are not running debian/stable
17:45<butters_>chealer: may
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17:45<butters_>valdyn: oh, is there an easy way to check and correct that?
17:45<chealer>butters_: so you installed Debian 5 lenny 5 months ago?
17:46<butters_>chealer: I think it was about May, but Im not exactly sure
17:46<valdyn>butters_: run apt-get -s -f install and show us the output
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17:46<valdyn>butters_: and show us your /etc/apt/sources.list
17:47<chealer>butters_: did you install any unofficial package (excluding the kernel from bpo)?
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17:48<butters_>http://pastebin.com/ESN1CnfC both the apt-get -s -f install and the sources.list
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17:49*amphi wonders whether line 19 has ever been uncommented ;)
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17:51<valdyn>butters_: output for apt-get -s dist-upgrade please and apt-cache policy libc6
17:52<valdyn>butters_: and change every occurrence of "stable" to lenny soon ( though thats unrelated to the current issue )
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17:52<ccg>where can i find the proxy settings in iceweasel ?
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17:52<chealer>butters_: also provide the output of $ dpkg -l
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17:53<valdyn>ccg: Edit -> Preferences -> Advanced -> Network
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17:53<ccg>thx
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17:54*qwint kills everyone
17:55<Webmind-org>\me
17:55<qwint>o.0 fail?
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17:57<butters_>http://pastebin.com/SrvqCv5V
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17:57<ironm>good evening :) - please allow me few questions
17:58<amphi>!tell ironm -about ask
17:58<Webmind-org>Do Until strDebian = "Cool"
17:59<valdyn>ccg: your libc6 is *to* new
17:59<chealer>butters_: why did you add sid to your sources?
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17:59<butters_>chealer: Im not sure, should I comment it out?
18:00<valdyn>butters_: lets what what you get on "apt-get -s install libc6=2.7-18lenny6"
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18:00<valdyn>butters_: it *is* commented out
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18:01<chealer>butters_: you're not running a pure lenny system. you have some core packages from unstable. show us the output of # apt-get check; and # apt-get install apt-show-versions
18:02<ironm>thank you for the hint amphi .. I just try to stay polite ;) - 1. I need to mount nfs volumes using init-scripts in /etc/init.d as I want to place them on the live image (debian) . When I use a local hook to modify /etc/fstab it doesn't work as /etc/fstab will be created during the boot time
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18:02<butters_>valdyn: http://pastebin.com/sVh9jkmr
18:02<ironm>2. in whar order the init-scripts are normaly executed ?
18:03<valdyn>butters_: try the sam with aptitude -s install libc6=2.7-18lenny6, maybe it finds a better solution
18:03<ironm>3. I would like in thy live-nfs-mount script first modify the existing /etc/fstab and after run mount -a
18:04<amphi>ironm: the order is given by the numbers in the names of the symlinks to them, in /ect/rc$RUNLEVEL.d
18:04<amphi>*/etc
18:05<butters_>valdyn: aptitude wants to downgrade a ton of packages?
18:05<valdyn>judd: versions util-linux
18:05<judd>Package util-linux on i386 -- etch: 2.12r-19etch1; etch-security: 2.12r-19etch1; lenny: 2.13.1.1-1; sid: 2.17.2-3.3; squeeze: 2.17.2-3.3
18:05<valdyn>butters_: thats good
18:05<valdyn>butters_: show us
18:06<ironm>amphi, what I mean is that there are already some nfs-stuff with the same numbers .. I need to run tha"live-nfs-mount" script as a last one
18:06<valdyn>butters_: someone install alot of stuff that does not belong to lenny but probably sid at that time
18:06<butters_>http://pastebin.com/MggfevZ0
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18:06<ironm>s/ some nfs-stuff/some nfs scripts ...
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18:07<valdyn>butters_: that looks alright, you could go ahead and install stuff you want again later
18:07<ironm>amphi, ... I see ... S<number> ...
18:07<valdyn>butters_: but dont blame me if something goes wrong, downgrading is and cant be supported
18:08<butters_>valdyn: so i should just say yes?
18:08<ironm>cd ..
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18:09<valdyn>butters_: hold on
18:09<valdyn>judd: versions libc-bin
18:09<judd>Package libc-bin on i386 -- squeeze: 2.11.2-6; squeeze-security: 2.11.2-6+squeeze1; sid: 2.11.2-7
18:09<chealer>butters_: OK, now what does $ apt-show-versions; output?
18:09<butters_>valdyn: i think... that i accidentally said yes
18:09<valdyn>butters_: yea i think you can go ahead, nothing essential will be removed
18:09<butters_>kde-core isnt essential?
18:10<valdyn>butters_: sure not
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18:10<valdyn>butters_: you can install kde 3 later
18:10<valdyn>butters_: theres no kde4 in lenny
18:10<valdyn>butters_: in case you think you need that...
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18:12<butters_>chealer: http://pastebin.com/0h3nBvBS
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18:16<chealer>butters_: your system is quite mixed. I would upgrade to squeeze or reinstall lenny.
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18:25<butters_>chealer: how would i safely go and do that?
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18:26<Shockplay404>How do i make my touchscreen work?
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18:39<tod>where can i find a good basic tutorial on using ftp/ftp-ssl?
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18:41<tod>(having trouble figuring out how to use basic commands and make them stick)
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18:41<acu>tod: what exactly do you want to do ? - for server if you use GADMIN-PROFTPD for the server - is a GUI which is so simple - you will see every setting very easy
18:42<doomcup>Hi, how do I install some packages I need from experimental in squeeze?
18:42<tod>i'm only concerned with client ftp usage
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18:42<acu>tod: to connect to an ftp server: use Konqueror and just type ftp://youripaddress
18:42<doomcup>I need gcc 4.5, but the squeeze repos only have 4.4
18:42<acu>tod: if you want to use firefox - you need to install fireftp plugin
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18:43<tod>don't have konqueror and does fireftp allow sftp connections?
18:43<acu>tod: only two neurons required - fireftp needs you to know the server ip address the username and password -also
18:43<retrospectacus>doomcup: /msg dpkg tum
18:44<acu>tod: you can use nautilus too instead of konqueror
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18:44<chealer>butters_: reinstalling or upgrading?
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18:44<doomcup>I should have been more clear
18:44<doomcup>I don't want to completely upgrade to sid
18:44<doomcup>I just need a few packages that are in sid
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18:44<retrospectacus>doomcup: <tum> is exactly what you want
18:45<doomcup>Okay, just being sure I read it right
18:45<tod>thanks for the suggestions
18:46<retrospectacus>doomcup: (tum => testing/unstable mix)
18:46<doomcup>AH, I see
18:46<doomcup>Thanks
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18:47<supaman>hello, I have problems receiving some embedded multimedia through iceweasel and mozplugger, specifically all content from www.ruv.is (sample would be this page: http://dagskra.ruv.is/ras1/4565796/2010/10/05/), could someone help me with this?
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18:49<doomcup>One last question: the instructions that have you use apt-get, will they work with aptitude?
18:49<retrospectacus>doomcup: I don't know...
18:50<retrospectacus>I only use apt-get
18:50<doomcup>I hear it's better to use aptitude because it handles dependencies better
18:50<supaman>there are slight differences between the two, apt-get and aptitude
18:50<chealer>retrospectacus: unstable != experimental
18:50<Lantizia>Hey, how can I use lvcreate without specifying a size (as in... use all available space in the volume group)
18:50<retrospectacus>I have heard this as well, but never had any problem with just apt-get. Apt-get is much faster iirc
18:51<retrospectacus>chealer: so?
18:51<doomcup>Oh
18:52<doomcup>I'd better make sure gcc and g++ 4.5 are in sid
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18:52<doomcup>Yeah, doesn't look that way
18:53<pattrick>debian? dafuk?
18:53<chealer>retrospectacus: well it's not exactly what he wants. he needs to put experimental instead of sid
18:53<chealer>bbl
18:53<doomcup>Oh, I see
18:53<doomcup>Thanks chealer
18:53<retrospectacus>chealer: he said he wanted sid - I must have missed something earlier
18:54<doomcup>I didn't say that
18:54<doomcup>Well, I did, but I was confused
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18:55<retrospectacus>15:45 < doomcup> I just need a few packages that are in sid
18:55<doomcup><doomcup> Hi, how do I install some packages I need from experimental in squeeze?
18:55<doomcup>From four minutes earlier
18:56<retrospectacus>anyways, if they are in experimental, just add deb lines for experimental and apt-get -t experimental install gcc
18:56<doomcup>In response to giving me stuff on tum
18:56<doomcup>Okay, got it
18:56<doomcup>Thanks
18:56<retrospectacus>sorry, I wasn't here (paying attention) at that time
18:56<doomcup>No big deal, no harm done
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18:57<retrospectacus>:)
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18:59<retrospectacus>you may have to explicitly install additional experimental dependencies too, doomcup
18:59<acu>tod: you are welcome
18:59<doomcup>Okay, I'll keep that in mind
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19:11<gbp>hi guys, I'm trying to use the official Australian repo for etch and I'm getting 404 Not Found error
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19:11<gbp>Err http://ftp.au.debian.org etch-proposed-updates/main Packages
19:11<gbp> 404 Not Found [IP: 150.203.164.37 80]
19:11<gbp>my sources.list: deb http://ftp.au.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib
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19:11<gbp>oops
19:12<gbp>anyway, did I do something wrong here or?
19:12<themill>gbp: etch is no longer on the mirrors and hasn't been supported for quite a few months now
19:12<retrospectacus>!etch
19:12<dpkg>Etch is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Etch security support ended on 2010-02-15, this release is no longer supported. Etch users should upgrade to Lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Removed from the mirrors (2010-06-20); ask me about <etch sources.list>. For old Etch ISOs, ask me about <etch iso>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEtch http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100121
19:12<gbp>oh right sorry :/
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19:12<gbp>it's an old machine, hasn't turned off for 3 years or something
19:12<gbp>not really keen to upgrade it
19:13<gbp>is dist-upgrade as dangerous as it used to be?
19:13<gbp>!dist-upgrade
19:13<dpkg>dist-upgrade tells apt to also install/remove packages when handling dependencies; security updates may require a dist-upgrade to install (they introduce new packages). Dist-upgrade does not mean changing from stable to testing; in lenny, aptitude calls dist-upgrade "full-upgrade" to remove this confusion. Read man apt-get carefully. See also <why not dist-upgrade> <sarge->etch> <etch->lenny> <lenny->squeeze> <full-upgrade>.
19:13<themill>gbp: there is a detailed set of release notes for this. /msg dpkg etch->lenny
19:14<gbp>thanks
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19:17<fgh>hi, what is the difference in debian squeeze live standard from the gnome one?
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19:19<fgh>nvm
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19:26<doomcup>Okay that works
19:26<doomcup>Thanks for your help
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19:36<gbp>hell, the new mysql server forks a lot more processes
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20:07<Gateway`>hello everybody
20:08<Gateway`>I would like to know the command that gives me the possibility to reboot all the services that I upgraded without rebooting the system, please
20:09-!-mode/#debian [+l 421] by debhelper
20:09<amphi>Gateway`: the upgrade process should have started them as necessary
20:09<retrospectacus>Gateway`: /etc/init.d/whatever restart for each whatever
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20:09<Gateway`>but sometimes there are some updates that push you to reboot the server
20:10<Gateway`>is there a way to avoid that ?
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20:10<themill>only kernel upgrades require that
20:11<amphi>Gateway`: you only need to reboot for a kernel update
20:12<Gateway`>excuse me guys for these questions, is it really necessary to update the kernel, even if this present one works fine ?
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20:12<Gateway`>I mean by present, the one which is already installed
20:13<retrospectacus>Gateway`, no.
20:14<amphi>Gateway`: it depends on the reason for the update
20:14<themill>Gateway`: if debian is offering an updated kernel as a security update then you'd be well advised to install it and reboot into it
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20:16<rpetre>also, if you installed an update to the same kernel version, you are advised to reboot soon, otherwise subsequent modprobes won't work
20:16<Gateway`>so there must be a bug on the previous one, that's why they publish the latest one
20:17<rpetre>you might not be affected by the fixed bugs, so if reboots are a big deal for you, you should read the changelog before upgrading :)
20:17<amphi>Gateway`: once you've installed it, you can read the changelog ;)
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20:18<rpetre>you can read it before that, too. just use shift-C in aptitude, or read it on the package's page
20:18<themill>Gateway`: there are always bugs
20:18<Gateway`>how can changelog help me ?
20:18<rpetre>it lists the known fixed bugs by that release
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20:18<amphi>Gateway`: you can see what bugs were fixed
20:19<Gateway`>ah ok I see
20:19<Gateway`>rpetre, you said that I can read it using shift-C
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20:20<rpetre>yup, select the package in aptitude and press shift-C on it, aptitude will download the changelog and display it for you
20:20<amphi>that's nice
20:20<Gateway`>thanks for these informations guys :)
20:20<rpetre>in case of upgradable packages, it should even highlight the sections that apply :)
20:21<Gateway`>because I work as an system administrator in a company and I'm trying to change all my windows servers into debian
20:22<rpetre>Gateway`: good luck, it's a way tougher job than it looks :(
20:22<retrospectacus>that's what I like to hear!!
20:22<retrospectacus>err ..read
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20:23<Gateway`>yes, but it's a better way to make linux known in my country
20:23<Gateway`>and to make things better for me :D
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20:24<Gateway`>I have tested a firewall using iptables
20:24<rpetre>Gateway`: Marocco? :)
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20:24<Gateway`>and squid as a proxy server, both of them installed on the same machine.
20:24<Gateway`>rpetre, yes
20:24<rpetre>Morocco, sorry
20:25<Gateway`>rpetre, no problem ;)
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20:25<Gateway`>and it looks work fine, so I'm going to install them at work
20:26<Gateway`>so if you have any suggestions, I'll be greatful :)
20:26<rpetre>Gateway`: my advice for whoever tries win-lin migrations in the office: make sure you have the support of the management and don't try to give them false hopes
20:27<rpetre>otherwise you'll get blamed for every failing and it would not only advance the cause of linux, but deter it
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20:28<Gateway`>rpetre, I have already studied different cases
20:28<Gateway`>and the principal servers like the ones where the erp is installed are always running on windows
20:29-!-mode/#debian [+l 414] by debhelper
20:29<rpetre>cool, just make sure mgmt. understands that it's no "magic bullet"
20:29<rpetre>imho that's a crucial step that most enthusiasts forget
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20:29<Gateway`>but like dhcp server, dns one, samba server with authentication for windows clients, firewall, squid and squidguard
20:30<Gateway`>don't worry guys, I know what I'm doing ;) and thanks for your advises and support :)
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20:31<Gateway`>I'm planning for qmail as a mailing server, openvpn in order to connect the different sites...
20:31<themill>!flw
20:31<dpkg><stew> ooops. client just figured out that i mistakenly checked in code that was creating a file named /tmp/fuckyou every time you ran the program
20:31<Gateway`>wish me luck guys and every thing is gonna be fine ;))
20:34<rpetre>if you are going to use qmail, you'll need truckloads of luck ;)
20:34*rpetre ducks
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20:34<Gateway`>:)
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20:36<Gateway`>thanks again guys
20:36<Gateway`>see you later... when I'll get some problems hehe
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20:49<ryan_>what should the gateway be on the third nic on a box with three?
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20:49<ryan_>using iptables im forwarding from the internal two nics to the external one going to the cable box
20:50<ryan_>works for eth1 but im not sure how to configure eth2
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20:50<@Ganneff>there is exactly one gateway entry in the whole network config (default gateway). more than one makes no sense
20:50<ryan_>ohh
20:51<elements1>Hey, any OpenVPN gurus around? I have a fairly in depth question that isn't worth spamming the room with if no one knows.
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20:51<@Ganneff>you have one default gateway (thats what you set with gateway line in interfaces), which takes all the stuff going to hosts no other route takes. then, the other interfaces can have any number of routes for any other network ranges.
20:52<ryan_>actually there is not a gateway specified in ../interfaces
20:52<@Ganneff>but two default gateways makes no sense. the kernel dont want to roll a dice which to use :)
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20:52<@Ganneff>ryan_: you might also get it via dhcp
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21:37<Sparq__>where would I find syslog?
21:38<Nemoder> /var/log/ ?
21:38<tupix>Hi all. I've just installed LDAP and configured all the files need to autenticate the system. But when i use the ldapsearch -x -D cn=manager and type de password setted at the installation i got "invalid credentials", somebody knows what could be?
21:38<tupix>Sparq__, /var/log/syslog
21:39<Sparq__>thanks
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21:49<na4utA-work>hello. i have a question: i get banned on #debian.de, how i get unbanned?
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21:54<vook>I just did a reinstall and I'm now using gdm3. Do any tools exist to modify basic performance of gdm3 (themes, force users to type username (rather than show a list)) ?
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21:59<na4utA-work>Myon or Ganneff: can you unbann me, please? on #debian.de
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23:02<cmhamill>identify eth5KiPh3utahG0
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23:10<na4utA-work>cmhamill: i would change your code ^^
23:12<sortadi>why is it Debian Lenny still listed as the Stable branch on debian.org?
23:13<rigved>sortadi: that is because the next version (Debian Squeeze) is still in the development phase
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23:13<sortadi>rigved, but I thought having read it was releases as it
23:14<sortadi>released
23:15<kop>!guess the release date
23:15<dpkg>[guess the release date] a game you can play! Look at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ and guess when the green line will reach 0. Ask me about <squeeze pool>.
23:17<cmhamill>na4utA-work: Thanks. ;)
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23:20*jordanm is on track to win
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23:20<jordanm>!squeeze pool 1
23:20<dpkg>! macrobat=2010-12-13 aguitel=2010-07-11 old=2010-09-21 BonZo=2010-10-15 craigevil=2010-08-30 Selveste1=2011-06-10 NiLon=2010-10-12 rvsjoen=2010-07-15 jordanm=2010-12-15 icebrain=2010-06-01 tabashco=2010-11-22 rmayorga=2011-01-17 jelly=2010-09-29 dpalacio=2010-08-03 cydork=2010-07-10 CutMeOwnThroat=2010-06-15 enouf=2010-04-01 themill=2010-05-30 valdyn=2010-06-15 rohan=2010-12-06 abrotman=2010-10-02 gsimmons=2010-09-03
23:21<kop>sortadi: What's misleading about "The latest stable release of Debian is 5.0." (from www.debian.org)
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23:21<jordanm>perhaps they planned to update that for lenny-n-half :P
23:22<kop>jordanm: Will there even be one now that backports is official?
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23:24<jordanm>kop: no, and I don't think official backports in the reason
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23:24<jordanm>it seems that just no one worked on it...
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