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#debian IRC Logs for 2010-11-04

---Logopened Thu Nov 04 00:00:18 2010
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01:13<user99>hi
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01:14<user99>iam using debian squeeze, my internet is not working(its very very slow...google hasn't loaded in half an hour)
01:14<user99>network seems to be fine...i can ping other machine on the LAN
01:14<user99>DNS is resolving...it resolved yahoo.com
01:14<user99>but i can't browse
01:14<user99>System>Prefs>Network Connection doesn't show any wired connections
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01:55<kyd>where can i install plugins for konqueror?
01:55<kyd>is there a directory like mozilla has for firefox/iceweasel?
01:55<kyd>for example ~/.mozilla/plugins
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04:00<tototo>hi everyone, i have a US letter document, how can i print it on an A4 paper? i set -o PageSize=A4 and tried -o fit-to-page and -o fitplot but none of them worked correctly
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05:16<jasper>hi
05:17<jasper>i have a Debian Squeeze machine running tg3, i am getting very slow speeds on the internet
05:17<jasper><=1Kbps
05:17<jasper>i can ping other machines on the LAN fine
05:17<jasper>browsing is awfully slow
05:17<jasper>it was working fine until yesterday
05:18<slush>what has changed since then?
05:19<jasper>the only thing i can think of is me taking network-manager off that list of startup programs
05:19<jasper>System>Prefs>Startup programs
05:19<jasper>i put it back in there since then
05:20<jasper>another thing i noticed is that System>Prefs>Network Connections doesn't show my wired connection
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05:21<jasper>although /etc/network/interfaces does have the info for the wired connection
05:23<jasper>i tried reloading the tg3 module, but that didnt help
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05:24<jasper>anyone?
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05:33<defjam>traceroute live.debian.net returns: traceroute to live.debian.net (178.63.150.24), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets send: Operation not permitted
05:33<defjam>any idea why?
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05:35<dondelelcaro>defjam: are you running traceroute as root?
05:35<defjam>yep
05:35<dondelelcaro>defjam: strace it then, and see which operation is failing.
05:35<dondelelcaro>defjam: alternatively, you may have iptables rules or similar which disallow it from working
05:36<defjam>does traceroute use udp?
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05:49<dondelelcaro>defjam: depends on what options you give it
05:49<dondelelcaro>defjam: by default it uses udp, but it can use icmp or tcp
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05:52<defjam>ok, main problem is that i can't access live.debian.net... not html or the repository there
05:52<defjam>other web and repositories work fine
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05:52<defjam>firewall allows only tcp out
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05:53<defjam>wireshark shows that no packets leave to live.debian.net when i request it, browser just hangs
05:53<defjam>as does apt
05:54<defjam>somehow debian thinks it's sending packets when it isn't
05:57<defjam>something that may be related is that traceroute (now working) to debian.net works but fails with "send: Operation not permitted" when trying live.debian.net
05:58<dondelelcaro>defjam: so traceroute -T live.debian.net
05:58<dondelelcaro>defjam: and/or attempt to ping it or whatever is appropriate
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05:59<defjam>as before "send: Operation not permitted"
06:01<defjam>i'd try ping but man page isn't clear on how to force tcp
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06:03<defjam>traceroute -T debian.net works but traceroute -T live.debian.net doesn't work
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06:36<mrzfz>Hi :) Anyone here using pam_exec ? I got pam_mkhomedir set up and working, but from what I found, I would need to use pam_exec to call chown to change the uid/gid of the home directory pam_mkhomedir makes, which is what I am stuck at?
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06:51<mrzfz>Ah never mind, I sorted it! :)
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08:19<EmleyMoor>Is there any way with Debian to provide "Remote Assistance" (rdp-based) to a user on a Win7 Pro box?
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08:21<jm_>does rdesktop no longer work?
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08:22<EmleyMoor>Did rdesktop ever work for Remote Assistance? If so, how is it distinguished from the normal "Remote Desktop"?
08:22<jm_>let me try here
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08:28<jm_>looks like it's not the same thing indeed
08:29<EmleyMoor>I'll probably put TightVNC on it anyway
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08:30<jm_>all these years I thought it's only camouflaged rdp :)
08:32<f8l>EmleyMoor: Maybe remmina has a plugin for that.
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09:40<EmleyMoor>remminaL
09:40<EmleyMoor>remmina?
09:41<EmleyMoor>Hmmm...
09:43<EmleyMoor>Maybe "Attach to console (Windows 2003 or newer)" is relevant...
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12:01<DanV>Hello. I'm having some trouble with a dual-core system. Two identical servers, AMD Opteron(tm) 148 processor, one shows up in /dev/cpuinfo with one core and one with two. Up to date 5.0.6 - same kernel - 2.6.26-2-amd64... I don't know what's wrong with the system with only one core. Any suggestions ?
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12:06<Myon>DanV: bios settings?
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12:08<DanV>Myon I don't have physical access to the computer right now... I would like to check if it's maybe a kernel problem or something before going to the datacenter.
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12:09<Myon>unlikely if they are identical
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12:10<kop>DanV: dmesg
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12:12<DanV>kop: http://paste.debian.net/99030/
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12:19<DanV>While on the other server, I get this: http://paste.debian.net/99031 :\
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12:22<DanV>The one that doesn't load both cores has this extra: SMP alternatives: switching to UP code ; also SMP: Allowing 2 CPUs, 1 hotplug CPUs; the GOOD server shows: 2 CPUs, 0 hotplug CPUs yet it loads both cores...
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12:36<chaos>what's up with testing?
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12:51<chaos>what's wrong with squeeze?
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12:51<icebrain>chaos: why?
12:51<chaos>it's frozen?
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12:52<icebrain>chaos: yes
12:52<icebrain>nothing wrong with it
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12:53<chaos>well i just ran apt-get dist-upgrade with squeeze as my source and a bunch of packages are broken :(
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12:55<babilen>!bat
12:55<dpkg>In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
12:55<icebrain>!full-upgrade
12:55<dpkg>full-upgrade is the new name for "dist-upgrade" in aptitude from Lenny onwards. Remember that "dist-upgrade" is not about moving from one release to another but installing new packages (ask me about <dist-upgrade>); read man apt-get carefully. Some security fixes will require a "full-upgrade" not just a "safe-upgrade" to apply. Ask me about <why not dist upgrade> <dist-upgrade> <safe-upgrade> <apt-listchanges>
12:55<babilen>chaos: Please provide more information ^^^^^
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12:56<chaos>chaosIrssi is me as well but can't send to channel :s
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12:59<chaos>bah!!
12:59<chaos>paste.debian.net/99035/
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12:59<chaos>broken package list
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13:13<chaos>babilen: any ideas? :)
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13:15<babilen>chaos: Ah, you have to provide more information. (Please read the factoid and supply all information -- in particular the apt-cache and apt-cache pkg1…pkgN output)
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13:17<chaos>where do i find the factoid?
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13:20<chaos>babilen: as a subquestion .. can i force it to ignore the problems so i can uninstall some packages?
13:20<babilen>!bat
13:20<dpkg>In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
13:21<babilen>Please provide more details -- "apt-get dist-upgrade" on a Lenny system should *never* lead to these errors. And I don't want to ask millions of questions like: Which version of Debian do you run? What is the content of your sources.list and the output of "apt-cache policy" and so on :)
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13:27<chaos>babilen: paste.debian.net/99040/
13:28<chaos>i hope i didn't forget anything
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13:32<babilen>chaos: First: Remove volatile from your sources.list. Run "aptitude update" "aptitude keep-all" and then "aptitude full-upgrade"
13:33<babilen>chaos: You also don't have any security repos enabled. A line like: deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main contrib non-free
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13:34<babilen>chaos: Paste the output of the "aptitude full-upgrade" run
13:34<chaos>aptitude keep-all is removing some
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13:35<babilen>chaos: May I have a look (and could you include http:// in your URLs ?)
13:35<babilen>chaos: aptitude keep-all should cances all pending actions
13:36<chaos>it removed a bunch of packages and now it's finishing the rest which got aborted earlier
13:37<chaos>paste.debian.net/99043
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13:38<babilen>chaos: Could it be that you are in the middle of a Lenny→Squeeze upgrade?
13:38<chaos>it's always been testing
13:38<babilen>And you haven't upgraded for quite some time?
13:38<babilen>Well, everything seems to be fine now
13:38<chaos>i installed the system less than a year ago
13:39<babilen>And you haven't updated it since then?
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13:40<chaos>if i enter aptitude full-upgrade it still lists 9 packages as broken
13:40<chaos>:\
13:40<chaos>i did run update since then but i don't know exactly when
13:41<chaos>also .. i'll have to hack it a bit cos the latest liblame doesn't work the way the one i had earlier did and it's no good for me
13:41<chaos>so i'll have to fetch old liblame / transcode
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13:42<babilen>chaos: May I have a look? It looks as if aptitude decided to remove the broken packages (akanadi-server et. al.) -- and succeeded in doing that.
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13:43<babilen>chaos: Can you remove those packages (aptitude remove) ?
13:43<chaos>sec ... this is going to be another huge paste
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13:44<babilen>huh
13:44*babilen braces for impact
13:44<chaos>paste.debian.net/99044
13:45<babilen>,version ark
13:45<babilen>,versions ark
13:45<judd>Package ark on i386 -- etch: 4:3.5.5-3etch1; etch-backports: 4:3.5.7-3~bpo.1; lenny: 4:3.5.9-2; sid: 4:4.4.5-1; squeeze: 4:4.4.5-1
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13:46<babilen>,versions kfilereplace
13:46<judd>Package kfilereplace on i386 -- etch: 4:3.5.5-1; etch-backports: 4:3.5.7-2~bpo40+1; lenny: 4:3.5.9-3; sid: 4:4.4.5-1; squeeze: 4:4.4.5-1
13:47<babilen>,versions quanta
13:47<judd>Package quanta on i386 -- etch: 4:3.5.5-1; etch-backports: 4:3.5.7-2~bpo40+1; lenny: 4:3.5.9-3
13:47<babilen>ah, ok.
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13:47<babilen>,versions kicker
13:47<judd>Package kicker on i386 -- etch-security: 4:3.5.5a.dfsg.1-6etch1; etch: 4:3.5.5a.dfsg.1-6etch2; etch-backports: 4:3.5.7-4~bpo40+1; lenny: 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-6+lenny1; lenny-security: 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-6+lenny1
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13:48<babilen>chaos: There is something fishy going on as you have a couple of packages from Lenny in there.
13:48<babilen>"kicker" for example
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13:49<chaos>i wouldn't mind having to get rid of anything temporarily to fix it
13:49<babilen>,versions kdebase-bin
13:49<judd>Package kdebase-bin on i386 -- etch-security: 4:3.5.5a.dfsg.1-6etch1; etch: 4:3.5.5a.dfsg.1-6etch2; etch-backports: 4:3.5.7-4~bpo40+1; lenny: 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-6+lenny1; lenny-security: 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-6+lenny1; sid: 4:4.4.5-1; squeeze: 4:4.4.5-1
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13:50<babilen>I would accept that solution
13:50<babilen>We can then sort out things for the other packages
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13:51<chaos>the solution aptitude is offering?
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13:51<babilen>yes
13:51<babilen>,versions kommander
13:51<judd>Package kommander on i386 -- etch: 4:3.5.5-1; etch-backports: 4:3.5.7-2~bpo40+1; lenny: 4:3.5.9-3; sid: 4:4.4.5-1; squeeze: 4:4.4.5-1
13:51<chaos>ok then
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14:13<babilen>chaos: Did that work out?
14:13<chaos>i keep running aptitude full-upgrade & apt-get upgrade until it stops giving me grief :)
14:14<babilen>chaos: Why do you interleave the aptitude runs with apt-get ones?
14:14<babilen>Use aptitude and stick to it
14:15<chaos>there seems to be end to aptitude poking stuff
14:15<chaos>it has already deleted like 100 packages and keeps finding new ones to delete / update
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14:18<babilen>chaos: I'm leaving -- If you need further help try other people or hop over to the (busy) #debian channel on irc.freenode.net
14:18<kop>babilen: Possibly see http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=533265 It was reported fixed but I don't see it when I look at the release notes.
14:18<babilen>Good luck
14:19<chaos>thanks
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14:36<dewy_>hi, bit of a newbie on ubuntu at the moment but want to switch to debian. I'm not really sure of the hardware of my computer and in the download section it has a list i.e. alpha,amd64,arm. Can someone give me some advice on which one to download
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14:37<f8l>dewy_: You probably want i386, or amd64 if you have 64-bit processor.
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14:38<f8l>dewy_: I'd be sure if you told me what processor you have.
14:38<dewy_>f8l: Im not sure but think im 32 bit
14:38<mAniAk->dewy_: what cpu do you have then
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14:39<f8l>dewy_: If you have 32 bit, then you need i386.
14:39<dewy_>maniak f8l hang on let me try and find this out
14:39<f8l>dewy_: Ubuntu should have the same choice of processors. What did you choose then?
14:40<dewy_>okay AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3000+
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14:41<f8l>dewy_: So now you have to choose between these two. Both will work. amd64 may be faster, but will also eat a bit more memory.
14:42<dewy_>so either i386 or amd64. hmm
14:42<f8l>dewy_: Maybe even more than a "bit"...
14:42<dewy_>i dont have much memory
14:43<dewy_>f8l so 1386 ? perhaps
14:43<f8l>dewy_: It's a safe choice.
14:43<dewy_>ok thanks mate :D
14:44<kop>dewy_: i386 is recommended for desktop use, mostly because 3rd party stuff (like flash) does not like 64bit. YMMV.
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14:44<dewy_>thats very good to know as im a as3 developer
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14:44<dewy_>do you guys have gui's ?
14:45<f8l>dewy_: I run amd64 Debian Sid on Intel's processor and 1G of RAM. I sometimes need swap on heavy load.
14:45<f8l>kop: Flash works quite well here.
14:46<f8l>dewy_: I use xfce if that's what you're asking about.
14:46<dewy_>f8l: sorry crap question :) on install is there a gui?
14:47<f8l>dewy_: There's an option of GUI on install, it's not much different though.
14:47<kop>dewy_: I use kde and hate it. I switched from gnome because I want virtual desktops, not (isolated) workspaces. Otherwise gnome was ok. I'd ditch kde but I'm too lazy.
14:47<kop>dewy_: Little point in gui on install.
14:48<f8l>dewy_: At least there was when I was installing couple of years ago.
14:48<dewy_>On Gnome with ubuntu i really like it
14:48<f8l>kop: What's the difference?
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14:49<kop>f8l: Whether you can drag/bump the screen edge and get to another screen or whether you have to go through the taskbar widget. (And even then I don't recall if it's possible to move windows from one to another.)
14:50<dewy_>there should be a drag option for the items in the taskbar def
14:50<f8l>kop: It's like that in xfce I think, and at the time I had GNOME it was also working (with brightside or something...)
14:51<kop>f8l: I belive that gnome usability testing found that users got confused if they could bump the screen edge and be on another screen. So they made it idiot proof and removed all utility.
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14:52<f8l>kop: I know some people that would agree with this. I don't. I like my edge workspace switching.
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14:52<kop>f8l: It's pretty much the point.
14:54<f8l>kop: `apt-cache show brightside` That may make you want to get back to GNOME. Or try xfce. ;-)
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14:56<dewy_>f8l sorry to be annoying :D which one should i download from this list? http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.6/i386/iso-cd/
14:56<f8l>kop: Also Compiz has virtual desktops if you can afford to run it. ;-)
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14:56<f8l>dewy_: The first one, or even the netinst.
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14:56<f8l>!tell dewy_ about netinst
14:56<dewy_>thanks :D
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14:57<dewy_>oh you reckon net install would be better ?
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14:57<f8l>There are several variations of CD1 if you don't want GNOME.
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14:58<dewy_>f8l one last thing, recommend hard drive format ntfs?
14:58<f8l>dewy_: Yes, if you have Internet access during installation.
14:58<f8l>dewy_: NTFS!? It's a Windows filesystem.
14:58<dewy_>eek!
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15:00<f8l>dewy_: I have ext2 for /boot, ext3 for /, xfs for backup, ext4 for the rest. I'm going to convert ext4 partitions to btrfs soon.
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15:01<f8l>I'm waiting for 2.6.37 to get packaged.
15:02<dewy_>f8l thanks mate :D
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15:04<f8l>dewy_: I've heard that jfs and reiser are also quite good.
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15:20<valdyn>why would anyone use ext2 for /boot/ ? to make it fragile?
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15:22<rpetre>you don't write to it so often that journalling would prove necessary, although no idea why the practice exists
15:24<edbian>Can I talk now
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15:26<kop>valdyn: Possibly if you're running off flash memory.
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15:33<f8l>valdyn: I had some problems with grub and ext3, so I reformated it to ext2. It's a 24M partition, so...
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15:52<chaos>.versions libgtk2.0-0
15:52<chaos>.versions libgtk2.0
15:52<chaos>.versions libgtk2
15:52<chaos>.versions libgtk
15:52<chaos>:s
15:53<chaos>,versions libgtk2.0-0
15:53<judd>Package libgtk2.0-0 on i386 -- etch: 2.8.20-7; lenny: 2.12.12-1~lenny2; lenny-backports: 2.18.6-1~bpo50+1; sid: 2.20.1-2; squeeze: 2.20.1-2; experimental: 2.22.0-1
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16:04<r0ger>i have a box that locks up continuously.. at most it goes a week without locking up
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16:04<r0ger>there are 7 others basically identical
16:04<r0ger>and they are fine
16:04<r0ger>i've run smartctl and memtest with no bad results
16:05<r0ger>what else can i do to try and find out why it locks up?
16:05<r0ger>parts have been replaced multiple times in it from ram to hd
16:05<r0ger>so i'm not sure where to begin
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16:06<r0ger>i'm about to boot it up with a netbooted kernel to ensure that's not the problem but i was curious what tests i could run on it
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16:12<chaos>i can't install libgtk2.0 .. see paste.debian.net/99056/
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16:14<r0ger>chaos: reinstall glib
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16:17<chaos>r0ger: sounds easy ... how do i delete it completely it in the first place? :s
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16:18<r0ger>chaos: /msg dpkg purge
16:18<chaos>there's a package called glib?
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16:20<r0ger>chaos: aptitude search libglib
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16:30<chaos>why does it have to be this difficult?
16:30<chaos>--force-all was such a nice option
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16:30<chaos>it solved shit i didn't have to guess what to reinstall :s
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16:36<sprink>no package maintainer for nemesis in squeeze??
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16:37<sprink>is there a alternative to nemesis for squeeze?
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16:40<newman555>any idea why I get "unable to mount...not aouthorized" when plugging usb as non-root?
16:40<sprink>probably not authorized as non-root?
16:41<chaos>can't get rid of libglib2.0-cil :( it says File does not exist: /usr/share/cli-common/packages.d/policy.2.8.glib-sharp.installcligac
16:41<newman555>sprink: really? never tought of that. :)
16:41<newman555>sprink: how to fix it?
16:41<qq->user in plugdev?
16:41<qq->newman555, see > id
16:42<r0ger>chaos: can you reinstall it?
16:42<chaos>it got stuck during install
16:42<chaos>i can't config it nor purge it :(
16:42<newman555>qq: yes, it's in plugdev
16:43<r0ger>chaos: i'm not sure what to do beyond that :\
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16:44<qq->newman555, use gnome ?
16:44<newman555>qq-: yes
16:44<qq->nautilus have to mount it itself
16:45<qq->!usb mount
16:45<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, usbmount is a script to automatically mount/umount USB drives as they are inserted/removed: http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/2004/10/msg00308.html ; aptitude install usbmount; does not support <vfat> filesystems by default. Read /usr/share/doc/usbmount/README for the reason and amend /etc/usbmount/usbmount.conf to enable. Also ask about <pmount>.
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16:49<newman555>qq-: nautilus? what do you mean by this?
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16:51<qq->newman555, apt-cache show nautilus
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16:51<newman555>qq-: I know what nautilus is, but connection tu usb mounting is unclear
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16:57<qq->newman555, if all is ok (including usb mount) will 'see' usb in nautilus
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16:57<newman555>qq-: just installed usbmount. now when I plug usb I can see the device but can't use it or anything...
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16:58<newman555>qq-: my bad. Yes I can :)
16:58<qq->cool
16:58<newman555>qq-: thanks! could you please explain what usbmount changed and how come I can use usb as root?
16:59<qq->newman555, no, sry , read some doc
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17:00<newman555>qq-: ok, thanks, will do
17:00<qq->np
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17:01<newman555>qq-: but from what I understand usbmount users udev, right?
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17:02<newman555>qq-: *uses
17:02<qq->newman555, i finished my help ;)
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18:33<bognu>hello godlike admins, I have a problem concerning creating of deb package: I want to run a script even BEFORE the dependencies are installed. preinst is executed affter installation of dependencies afaik... is this possible to do?
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18:39<f8l>bognu: Why do you want to do that?
18:40<bognu>f8l, huuummm... cause a bug in Ubuntu 10.10
18:40<bognu>package adzapper brackes with package squid
18:41<bognu>due to this my whole package breaks
18:41<bognu>sudo touch /etc/init.d/squid solves the problem....
18:42<themill>sounds like a bug that needs to be fixed in ubuntu then -- #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net is the place to take that
18:42<bognu>(the bug occures cause squid does no more use /etc/init.d/squid but adzappers thinks so, however the bug is reported a launchpad)
18:42<f8l>bognu: I don't think Ubuntu bugs are on-topic here
18:42<bognu>f8l, I know. I'm asking for a possible workaround with super cow power
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18:43<bognu>f8l, you know. If I provide a deb package I want it to run on all popular systems which support .deb - I mean that is good if you TRY to be friendly to most users
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18:44<f8l>bognu: I don't think that's possible. You could try to repair the package that breaks it.
18:44<bognu>f8l, my project is a bit special, but never mind
18:44<bognu>f8l, ok, thx... I think I just mention the touch-hack-fix on the website
18:45<f8l>bognu: You cannot have a perfectly universal package. These systems differ, so you probably need separate packages for both systems.
18:45<f8l>bognu: Or just wait for the bug to be fixed.
18:47<bognu>f8l, seems like in a near future I either provide 2 packages or restrict the distro to LTS
18:48<abrotman>bognu: take it to the ubuntu channel .. this is NOT it
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18:49<bognu>abrotman, you are just funny. I stop talking anyway. Thx for the help I got. It helped me a lot. *out*
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20:17<vook>I'm having problems with wireless. I've got a bcm4322 chipset & I'm using the wl driver. Wireless works periodically, but not really well. Currently the problem is that iwconfig fails to set the essid. 'iwconfig wlan0 essid SSID channel # ap MAC' just seems to refuse to set the essid. I've tried using wicd & nm-applet, and I've tried killing all wireless programs and just using iwconfig with no luck. Any thoughts ?
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20:28<f8l>!bcm4322
20:28<dpkg>The Broadcom BCM4322 (PCI-IDs 14e4:432b, 14e4:432c, 14e4:432d; incorrectly reported as BCM432B, BCM432C or BCM432D by wlc_hybrid) is an 802.11n wireless LAN chipset, not supported by the <b43> driver at this time. To install the vendor driver, ask me about <wl>. See also <bcm43224>, <bcm43225>.
20:28<qq->he said used wl
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20:30<f8l>qq-: Ah, right, sorry.
20:31<dvs>http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx
20:31<qq->but he left
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20:39<vook>hmm, I wonder what is causing this wireless conflict. I did a killall5, then restarted wicd, dbus, and udev - and then the wireless interface successfully associated.
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21:20<vook>why would 'aptitude search Apple' fail to return "pommed - Apple laptops hotkeys event handler" ?
21:23<qq-> apt-cache search Apple
21:23<abrotman>eh .. that's not what he asked
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21:24<abrotman>vook: aptitude search '~dApple'
21:24<vook>ahah, thanks
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