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01:11<And1>Hi folks.
01:12<And1>I downloaded a new font (.pcf-files). What do I have to do with them? I thought I'd just move them to /usr/share/fonts/X11/misc/, 'mkfontsdir', 'mkfontscale' and 'fc-cache -fv'. But it seems that doesn't work. Anyone got some help?
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01:17<Nemoder>And1: you might look at the update-fonts-dir script, though i'm not sure why it wouldn't work the way you tried anyway
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01:23<And1>Nemoder: I downloaded .pcf-files. Though in /usr/share/fonts/X11/misc/ there are only .pcf.gz-files. I did 'gzip my-new-font.pcf', that's also ok so far?
01:23<jm_>use xlsfonts to check
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01:25<mekt>How is the keyboard layout which the whole system has upon boot changed?
01:25<mekt>changed = another layout chosen
01:26<And1>jm_: Hmm, there my new fonts appear.
01:26<dpkg>Lenny users: To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap", ask me about <drxx>, use kcontrol, gnome-control-center or similar. For setting up X keymaps, also check out xkeycaps, xev and ask me about <multimedia keys>. In console you can also use "loadkeys" for once-only/temporary adjustments. Squeeze users: "dpkg-reconfigure console-setup" for both console and X.
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01:27<And1>jm_: Though it's just the name which appears, not something like 'xos4-terminus-*-*-..."
01:29<dyek>Hi! A question about the slow browser: I'm using the (Dell UltraSharp U2311H) LCD in portrait 1080x1920 mode. I find Iceweasel browser (version 3.5.13) to be unusably slow in refreshing a mere few tabs of web pages. Any idea what is the most likely cause of problem so that I can workaround it? Is it caused by the video driver being set to portrait mode? The browser's layout or drawing operations in a long (portrait) window? Any idea why Firefo
01:29<dyek>x is not being offered as a package in Debian? (I would like to compare the default Firefox and Iceweasel if Firefox's GUI is faster or not...)
01:29<jm_>And1: that's fine
01:29<jm_>!tell dyek -about why iceweasel
01:29<amitz>dyek: I say memory.
01:30<And1>jm_: But that could be the reason why they don't appear in 'xfontsel'?
01:31<dyek>amitz: I think it is not because of memory, cause I have 2 GB and it is merely 22% used.
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01:31<amitz>dyek: guess mode, I assume you don't use flash?
01:33<ananth123>dyek: are you visiting facebook with some flash games ???
01:33<ananth123>also, check what extensions you have added....
01:33<And1>jm_: Another question: I used the font montecarlo some time ago. It worked perfectly (with that I mean german-umlauts and other utf-characters) in my terminal (rxvt-unicode), but when I use the font in conky/dzen it doesn't show umlauts. Any idea?
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01:34<dyek>amitz: Flash content is not on the rather simple informative pages. (When there are Flash content, I made Gnash starts-paused.)
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01:35<dyek>ananth123: Not visiting Facebook now. Strangely, plain simple text-and-jpeg pages are very slow to switch between tabs -- takes several seconds to refresh.
01:36<jm_>And1: are you sure you are looking in the right section in xfontsel?
01:36<And1>jm_: Well, in 'fmly'.
01:37<amitz>dyek: no idea then. Gnash, in my place, consumes memory and processing power like crazy.
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01:39<jm_>And1: rxvt-unicode probably switched to another font to display utf-8 characters, but other terminals/apps don't do that I gues
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01:39<dyek>amitz: Yes, Same for me. I had to make it starts-paused, or the browser is bogged down. The embedded windows are not at the correct z-order too, causing navigation menus to be under the Flash content and truncated. Not exactly great yet.
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01:40<And1>jm_: But how could it be that the "a" from montecarlo and the a-umlaut look exactly the same in rxvt-unicode? (just with two dots on top)
01:42<jm_>And1: use xfd to see which characters given font includes
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01:45<dyek>Debian Testing packages are built with optimization turned on, right? They are not built to include lots of debugging stuffs or with optimization off, right?
01:46<jm_>dyek: yes
01:46<dyek>jm_: Thanks!
01:47<And1>jm_: 'xfd -fn MonteCarlo.pcf(.gz)' doesn't work. "Warning: Cannot convert string "MonteCarloMedium.pcf(.gz)" to type FontStruct"
01:48<jm_>And1: you need to specify font name, not filename
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01:48<And1>jm_: Ah, sorry. -- There is an a-umlaut in the font.
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01:49<jm_>And1: then I have no idea, perhaps conky is not using this font then :)
01:50<And1>jm_: Pity. But thanks for your help. Good to know that there are umlauts and other characters! :)
01:51<jm_>And1: and are you sure you are running conky in the right locale?
01:51<And1>jm_: To be honest, I'm not.
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01:54<And1>jm_: I don't specify any font in conky. I'm piping conky's output to dzen, so I think the problem is there.
01:55<jm_>And1: isn't conky a system monitor?
01:55<And1>jm_: Yup, it is.
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01:58<jm_>And1: why are you piping it's output? isn't it a GUI tool?
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02:00<And1>jm_: It normally get's displayed on the root-screen. But that's not useful when using a tiling windowmanager. So I'm piping it to dzen: (see the top and bottom)
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02:10<jm_>And1: well why not check what it gets as input?
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02:56<aitorkun>which is the best way to use debian testing? I was on Arch Linux but I got tired, now I want a rolling release distro with a minimal desktop preinstalled
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03:46<prem>hi all ., i am not able to open fonts:/// path in nautilus.
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03:47<prem>I was doing it in lenny but squeeze throws error on trying to open fonts folder
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04:20<EmleyMoor>Is there a good TV card for UK digital and composite video that works in Debian?
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04:49<EmleyMoor>Alternatively, how can I capture composite video with a device on the market today?
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04:51<EmleyMoor>I would just keep what I'd got but the vertical hold is playing up
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04:57<iotaka>I have the dump of a my server that is become unstable in the last days
04:57<iotaka>for me the ram has problems
04:58<iotaka>I can't for now do a memtest (before I must recover data)
04:58<iotaka>and is a slow process :|
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05:26<Lantizia>Hey I just found a PPA that claims to have compiled Asterisk 1.8 into a binary package using material from...
05:26<Lantizia>I'd like to make binary packages for Lenny... but I don't see anything of use on that debian site for that - any pointers?
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05:44<m0RrE>anyone else having problem with the eeepc-acpi-scripts on eee pc 901, exactly like this old bug.
05:45<m0RrE>"freezes with garbled screen while booting"
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05:46<qwd>m0RrE: probably anyone who doesn't have 2.6.32-11 or higher..?
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05:47<m0RrE>hmh, right :D
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05:48<felixs>Lantizia: probably they have put the /debian directory from the repo into the *-1.8 source
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06:11<Lantizia>felixs, which repo is that?
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06:12<Lantizia>felixs, the svn repo doesn't seem to hold debian dirs
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06:35<s4br3>Hi, I am trying to run Prey on my 64 bit Debian Testing, but the openal lib fails on me. If I use the 64 bit the command line starup messages complain about wrong ELFCLASS. If I symlink to the 32 bit openal lib extracted from the .deb file I remove two errors but get that there is inconsistenct detected by Thanks for any other recommendation on how to solve this!
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06:41<s4br3>running ldd prey.x86 gives => (0xf7710000); ./ (0xf765f000); => /lib32/ (0xf762d000); => /lib32/ (0xf7628000); => /usr/lib32/ (0xf756e000); => /lib32/ (0xf7548000); => /usr/lib32/ (0xf752a000); => /lib32/ (0xf73e3000);
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06:41<s4br3>and /lib/ (0xf7711000); Maybe the last is a referall to a 64-bit version?
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06:57<felixs>Lantizia: i clicked on "Subversion Repository", then "asterisk", "trunk"
06:58<felixs>Lantizia: isnt the 'debian' directory in there the one you are looking for?
06:59<Lantizia>nope it's not for 1.8
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07:00<Zaba>s4br3, no, /lib/ is the 32-bit dynamic linker
07:00<felixs>Lantizia: it maybe isnt supposed to be. thats only the material 'they' used to make such
07:00<Lantizia>maybe :S
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07:01<s4br3>Zaba: thanks. So that is the one which discovered that something is not opk?
07:01<felixs>but why dont you take the PPA-thing in the first place?
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07:02<SummerSanta>i`ve installed debian 5.0 in dual boot with my win XP
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07:02<SummerSanta>and after installation at reboot i get " Gbub is loading .. stage 1.5 ... grub is loading please wait"
07:03<s4br3>The sad thing is that I have run Prey on this machine, but after installing a new SSD disk as my my hd some things don't work
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07:03<SummerSanta>i do have 2 HDD - 1st with 1 partiotion with windows
07:03<SummerSanta>and the 2nd with 2 partitions ( i installed debian on the 2nd partition of the 2nd drive)
07:03<SummerSanta>manualy partitioning
07:04<SummerSanta>so anyone has any ideea where i went wrong?
07:04<s4br3>SummerSanta: I think you need Debian on the 1st physial HD
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07:05<SummerSanta>i tryed to let it on the first drive along my XP and it said it cannot partition because there isn`t enough space
07:05<SummerSanta>the 1st hdd with win XP has 80gb
07:05<SummerSanta>so i don`t think it should be a space problem..
07:05<s4br3>You can shrink the 1st HD to get 16GB space
07:05<s4br3>for Debian
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07:06<SummerSanta>uhmm...don`t understand..
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07:06<s4br3>SummerSanta: Check
07:07<s4br3>You need to install both OS on the same physical hard drive.
07:07<SummerSanta>Unfortunately is not currently available in your country for legal and commercial reasons. If you wish to contact the site administrator, please email We regret any inconvenience caused.
07:07<SummerSanta>can`t see the site
07:07<SummerSanta>well... i tryed
07:07<s4br3>If you don't have the necessary space you must reduce the Windows partition
07:08<SummerSanta>i don`t get it...
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07:08<SummerSanta>what do you meen by reduce?
07:08<SummerSanta>for auto installation with another OS .. how much does debian requieres?
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07:09<SummerSanta>since XP is using like 5-10gb max... there are like 70 gb left ..
07:09<s4br3>Debian requires only few GB, but you need more GB for other things
07:09<s4br3>So, if you have 70GB free, you have no problem
07:10<SummerSanta>well.. when i partitioned manualy i made 10gb for / 60 for /home 100mg for /boot and a few gb for spwap
07:10<SummerSanta>i would partition manualy
07:10<SummerSanta>but how do i do that on the same hdd with XP?
07:10<SummerSanta>cuz it makes me delete it..
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07:10<SummerSanta>so i can repartition
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07:11<s4br3>No you don't delete XP, you shrink it so Debian can fit
07:11<s4br3>You can do it with a live cd with KDE Partition Manager installed
07:11<SummerSanta>i downloaded the DVD...
07:12<SummerSanta>and i don`t remember having that thing like other linux OSs..
07:12<s4br3>Check out
07:12<SummerSanta>where you can decide the space between the oss
07:12<s4br3>And burn the .iso file and then boot it
07:13<s4br3>and read the manual :)
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07:16<SummerSanta>so that will help me repartition my 1st drive and after install debian along with XP?
07:17<s4br3>And then you can use the 2nd HD as a slave, for both XP and Debian
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07:18<s4br3>But, you may wish to partition the 2nd too, one for XP and one for Debian
07:18<jm_>SummerSanta: alternatively you can use windows boot loader to boot debian
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07:19<SummerSanta>if using windows mbr requieres to do that /fixmbr from recovery console..
07:19<SummerSanta>i can`t do it
07:20<SummerSanta>and i did get some thing from debian sites .. and put it on C in windows
07:21<SummerSanta>probably that`s why i got only loading grup and nothing happen
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07:22<s4br3>use Grub2
07:23<SummerSanta>well... what grub version does debian 5.0 installs?
07:23<SummerSanta>not grub 2?
07:23<s4br3>I think it is Grub2
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07:23<s4br3>I have a dual boot, w Vista and Debian
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07:23<s4br3>using grub2
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07:25<SummerSanta>brb .. no more blank cd`s.. i`m lucky that they sell them 6 floors away..
07:25<s4br3>floors?! :)
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07:27<SummerSanta>well.. i like at the 6th floor
07:27<SummerSanta>and the store is at the first one
07:27<SummerSanta>so i just had to go and take a ride with the elevator
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07:28<EvaLuaTe>there doesn't seem to be anyone active in #debian-gnome, so I'm trying my luck here: I have written a new program (actually a fork of a discontinued project) and would like it to be included in debian. Should I package it myself and then submit it, or do you handle this?
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07:29<s4br3>EvaLuaTe: Look here
07:30<EvaLuaTe>s4br3, ok, thank you
07:31<shirish>hi all, I'm looking to download a bittorrent - x64 - GNOME-based squeeze 6.0 4.4 GB iso to install on hdd can somebody help ?
07:33<pavi>shirish, hi
07:33<pavi>you are looking for a 64 bit torrent ?
07:33<pavi>squeeze hasn't been released yet
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07:35<shirish>pavi: hey, I'm looking for the Debian beta1,rc something but with the above configuration.
07:36<dpkg>For information on packages which are not in Debian but you think should be, check the Work-Needing and Prospective Packages list at (refinable list at Use wnpp-alert (from the <devscripts> package) to see what packages you are using that are in need of help.
07:36<jm_>EvaLuaTe ^^^^^
07:36<shirish>pavi: and it needs to be a well-seeded torrent, I tried downloading one last week but it was at a snail's pace, 2-3 KB :(
07:36<pavi>shirish, forget torrent download from a good mirror
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07:37<shirish>pavi: that's also a good idea, can you guide ?
07:38<shirish>Nemoder: thank you, I know that link, but how to get to a good mirror ?
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07:39<pavi>shirish, any eu one will do
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07:39<shirish>pavi: ok
07:40<shirish>pavi: by eu you mean European Union right ?
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07:41<SummerSanta>when you said about debian being installed on the 1st HDD..
07:42<shirish>pavi: where do I get the list of mirrors, otherwise I'm just getting
07:42<SummerSanta>if i have 2 partitions made in windows and set debian on 2nd partition
07:42<SummerSanta>would that be the same?
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07:42<shirish>pavi: also does it have the new live-installer?
07:42<pavi>shirish, one moment will give you a link
07:42<SummerSanta>or that`s what KDE Partition Manager does?
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07:42<mattcen>Hi all. I'm trying to install Squeeze on a Macbook 3,1, and it's not detecting my hard drive. I've booted an Ubuntu live CD and it shows it's using the ata_piix driver, which *is* present in the D-i ramdisk
07:42<shirish>pavi: thanx
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07:43<mattcen>... but when I try to modprobe it, it says it doesn't exist. I got this to work before, but for the life of me I can't remember how. any suggestions please?
07:43<s4br3>SummerSanta: Elevator or stairs
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07:43<SummerSanta>well.. i did burn that CD (just finished it now)
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07:44<s4br3>How many partitions are there on thehard drive which already contains XP
07:44<SummerSanta>just 1
07:44<grummund>Hi, is it possible to remove a package directly with dpkg?
07:44<s4br3>And how much does it fill up to for XP, in GB?
07:45<mattcen>grummund: dpkg -r should do it.
07:45<SummerSanta>like 5-6gb from like 76
07:45<shirish>pavi: one more query before you go searching all the way, is it true that Debian cannot live in a logical drive (like ubuntu does) ?
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07:45<SummerSanta>so i have ~69 gb left
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07:45<pavi>shirish, whats a 'logical' drive ?
07:46<s4br3>Have a look at
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07:46<shirish>pavi: sorry a logical partition, the 4 primary partitions are taken by other stuff.
07:47<shirish>pavi: would be trying it first on a friend's machine and then mine. Here the first 4 primary partitions are with Windoze and there is some remaining space which he's agreed to try out Debian.
07:48<shirish>or agreed for me to try out Debian.
07:48<SummerSanta>s4br3 i don`t rly understand too much from a 5 sec video
07:48<s4br3>No, but that is what it looks like! :)
07:49<SummerSanta>it run in to my mind that i had to make the partitions for debian on my 1st drive
07:49<SummerSanta>from seeing that
07:49<s4br3>The thing is that once you boot up into it you just shrink the current partition to the desitred size, using the mouse
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07:49<SummerSanta>well.. i`m rebooting..
07:50<s4br3>And create those you wish after that
07:50<SummerSanta>i`ll know what to do when i`ll see it
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07:50<mattcen>Ah ha! I think I sorted it out.
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07:50<s4br3>The reducton from 80GB to 65GB took me 1h
07:51<mattcen>I had to "continue without detecting a drive", and let it download extra installer components before it let me run the modprobe and detected the drive. Weird. Will be good to find out which component I needed
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07:52<grummund>mattcen: thank you
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07:52<mattcen>grummund: No problems ('man' is your friend; that's where I found that information)
07:53<grummund>mattcen: yes i did look. ;)
07:53<bremner>hey all. is ext4 recommendable for a new (home) squeeze install?
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07:54<s4br3>It has received better reviews than any other fs at Phoronix
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07:57<shirish>ok anybody else, can debian live happily in an extended logical partition ?
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07:58<bremner>but these days I always use lvm, so it is not so relevant
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07:58<shirish>bremner: are you saying yes to me or someone else ?
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07:59<bremner>shirish: yes, it works fine to have all of your debian partitions in one logical partition, if that is what you asked
07:59<bremner>hmm. that didn't help clear things up did it.
08:00<shirish>bremner: thanx, I have around 100 GB partition here for this, what I want to do in this extended partition is / - 20 GB , swap 4 GB and /home the remaining stuff.
08:00<classical>i have this error while installing dsniff
08:01<shirish>bremner: possible ?
08:01<classical>i have installed libdb4.2 but this does not solve the problem
08:01<classical>any suggestions ?
08:02<bremner>shirish: sure. I would use lvm then it is easy to change later.
08:02<shirish>bremner: I have never used lvm so don't really know.
08:03<shirish>bremmer: also do you know of a screenshot guide which I could use while installing squeeze ?
08:03<bremner>well, it should be an option in the installer
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08:04<Panko>classical: have you installed de dev package for libdb4.2?
08:04<bremner>can you split the logical partition?
08:04<shirish>bremmer: it would just things that much easier/familiar. I have seen and used the ubuntu-live installer and way way back the ubuntu alternate installer but it didn't ask many questions.
08:04<shirish>bremmer: yes, I think so.
08:05<classical>Panko, yep i have juts installed it and solve the problem but now i need libpcap package
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08:05<classical>aw i hate compiling from source
08:05<Panko>classical: try libpcap-dev
08:05<bremner>shirish: so, split the partition into / and swap, I think that is the simplest possible setup.
08:05<s4br3>shirish: I installed Testing a few weeks ago and it is very simuilar
08:06<shirish>s4br3: there is no webpage, my net connection is stable but not so great for youtube streaming.
08:06<classical>libnet not found :-D
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08:07<shirish>s4br3: IS there is no webpage, my net connection is stable but not so great for youtube streaming.
08:07<s4br3>shirish: ok. Yet, I have found that the Graphical Expert install is the best for me. I also use netinst .iso and just install kde and the necessary, ie two options. I wait with the rest till everything is ok
08:07<Panko>classical: install libnet1-dev
08:08<classical>Panko, i did thanks :)
08:08<s4br3>The Graphical Install install has never crashed for me, but the old-school has repeatedly
08:08<classical>Panko, configure: error: libnids not found
08:08<classical> Omg it seems that i must build a new system :-D with all libz
08:08<shirish>s4br3: so if I download an .iso then Graphical Expert Install is in it ? And this is on netinstall .iso or the CD/DVD one ?
08:09<dbvolio0>can anyone tell me how to look on root commands log?
08:09<dbvolio0>i searched everywhere on the net and i couldn't find anything
08:09<petemc>dbvolio0: /root/.bash_history , if they use bash and logged out correctly
08:10<dbvolio0>thanks alot man
08:11<s4br3>shirish: it is found in all ,but Im using 646MB
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08:11<s4br3>Sorry wrong one -
08:11<Panko>classical: libnids-dev :p
08:11<shirish>s4br3: is there also a GNOME one ?
08:12<s4br3>Probably ;)
08:12<Panko>classical: have you read README file or instructions to build package?
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08:12<shirish>s4br3: and in case if it takes more than a week to download it IN CASE then would it still download the old one, meaning it would still be there or would I have to go back to the beginning ?
08:13<classical>Panko, yep but there is only list of contained programs that will be installed after
08:13<s4br3>I don't understand
08:13<Panko>classical: when they say "you need somename-package" it refers to dev package of it
08:13<classical>now what i have openssl installed but configure says that it is not
08:13<Panko>classical: look for a file INSTALL or in package's wiki
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08:13<classical>Panko, yep now i know this :)
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08:14<jackie>anyone help me to understnd tor
08:14<petemc>its an anonymous proxy network
08:15<shirish>s4br3: from where did you get it? I went to but it doesn't show an GNOME one, does Debian also default to GNOME or to KDE ?
08:15<s4br3>It defaults to Gnome, still
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08:16<s4br3>The netinst is less than 180MB
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08:17<petemc>jackie: ask in channel, and i dont use tor so im not the person to ask questions about it
08:17<shirish>s4br3: do you know from where I can get a list of mirrors to speed up the downloading ?
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08:18<jackie>anyone know how to test tor
08:18<jackie>and configure it
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08:19<shirish>s4br3: and also to stabilize in case one of them go down, I'm started downloading and its from
08:19<classical>there is nothing about missing openssl :((
08:19<shirish>s4br3: thanx, you are a life-saver
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08:21<s4br3>shirish: ingen orsak
08:21<classical>Panko, i fix the problem by installing openssl-dev :)
08:22<dbvolio0>i did found the history log but it's a line of emptying
08:22<dbvolio0>isn't another one?
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08:22<dbvolio0>maybe in etc somwhere....?
08:22<Panko>classical: :p
08:22<shirish>s4br3: I hope that was a form of thanx or endearment :)
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08:22<redbullfx>hey everyone
08:22<s4br3>It means "no worries"
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08:23<dbvolio0>shouldn't be another command log elswhere?
08:23<classical>now what ? :(
08:23<shirish>s4br3: those primary mirrors seem to be for the updates and stuff, what I wanted was a mirror for the .iso downloads.
08:23<shirish>s4br3: just as an random e.g.
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08:25<inkbottle>[ot]: Do you know a channel where are discussed "rcf xxx" stuffs?
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08:26<redbullfx>anyone know where i can find a tutorial on How to run windows 7 with virtual box. Not install, but run.
08:26<Panko>classical: it's possible that you need other version of libnet
08:26<classical>omg it's in a lenny repos and i waste so many time for compiling it from source
08:27<classical>Panko, i have installed it from repos :-D
08:27<Panko>classical: xD
08:27<Panko>sid have 2.4b1 version
08:27<classical>i was searching by "arpspoof" and it was in repos as "dsniff"
08:28<shirish>s4br3: this is the one which I wanted to use
08:29<s4br3>Note that some mirrors are not up to date — before downloading, check the version number of the images
08:30<redbullfx>anyone have a good tutorial on Dual Boot, windows 7 and lenny??
08:30<shirish>s4br3: right, I'm on a French one but I'm confused here, please look at
08:31<s4br3>That looks old
08:31<shirish>s4br3: does current mean testing or it mean the lenny thing ?
08:31<s4br3>lenny I guess
08:32<shirish>s4br3: they need to really re-design the website, its very confusing.
08:33<jm_>redbullfx: windows related channels should be a better option
08:33<s4br3>Seriously, I don't think which mirror you use matters that much
08:33<jm_>then again, I don't see why you need tutorial - it works out of the box for me
08:35<shirish>s4br3: I just wanted to add mirrors so that if one goes down, then the next link would keep the download alive.
08:35<shirish>s4br3: I have been to quite a few links they have given on that page and none of them have testing listed anywhere :(
08:36<s4br3>Maybe because it is updated weekly
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08:36<shirish>s4br3: right on, ok /me out
08:36*shirish out
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08:37<EvaLuaTe>s4br3, I'm not sure what you wanted to tell me with that... :p
08:37<s4br3>You wanted to be a registered Debian developer :)
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08:38<EvaLuaTe>s4br3, not neccessarily. I would have just liked my program to be included into debian. I could package it myself if need be, but I'm not really sure what that implies...
08:39<s4br3>Long term responsibility I guess
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08:39<EvaLuaTe>I have to get myself better documented on this issue and then see if I'm qualified enough for the "job"...
08:39<s4br3>If there is no registered mainatainer they will drop it, soon.
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08:40<EvaLuaTe>s4br3, my package most surely isn't yet assigne to anyone , I just launched it like a week ago...
08:40<Txt-file>Is it possible tu use supend-to-ram/disk when /, /home and swap are encrypted?
08:42<EvaLuaTe>s4br3, it is possible though that the previous package is included in debian (I mean tha package that mine is forked from...)
08:42<s4br3>But for you to have it included into Debian I guess they will want someone to fix possible bugs, not just drop a parcel on the steps
08:43<jm_>Txt-file: yes I think it can be done
08:43<EvaLuaTe>s4br3, well, I am maintaining the project and will do my best to fix all possible bugs, it's just the packaging thing (the compiling to a .deb file) which I'm not sure I can do properly...
08:44<Txt-file>good ... then this is not the problem why S3/S4 isn't working for me
08:45<jm_>shouldn't be an issue for suspend to ram anyway
08:46<Txt-file>not with suspend to ram but for disk I thought cause it writes to encrypted swap
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08:46<EvaLuaTe>s4br3, anyway, I'll try my best to create a .deb file from my program and the submit it to the wnpp and see what happens
08:46<EvaLuaTe>s4br3, thanks again for the help :-)
08:46<s4br3>See also
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08:56<convbsd>hi all
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08:56<convbsd>and greetings also
08:57<convbsd>I have mirrored an debian repo and wan'a remove some packages from it and add new ones instead
08:57<convbsd>How do I do that please ?
08:58<convbsd>i want to do some tests wth the resulting repo
08:59<EvaLuaTe>convbsd, there's a section called "Partial mirroring" on there, that might help...
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09:04<convbsd>how to modify ( delete ,add ) packages from a mirrored debian repo ?
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09:08<bremner>convbsd: reprepro is one way, although perhaps not the simplest
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09:23<redbullfx>hello everyone
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09:23<redbullfx>Im about to install Debian. I will also install windows 7 dual boot. Anyone able to give me a tutorial???
09:24<rpetre>do windows first ;)
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09:25<redbullfx>rpetre: i will do that. I already had windows 7, and managed to dual boot ubuntu. But now its debians turn.
09:25<redbullfx>you think if i follow the same steps as in ubuntu. it will work?
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09:49<rpetre>yeah, it should. just take care what partitions you are formatting ;)
09:49<s4br3>rpetre: he has left
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09:50<rpetre>oh sorry, i was in a meeting (and i don't log joins and parts in this channel)
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09:57<zedboy>is /etc/network/interfaces deprecated?
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10:00<mjt>zedboy: to be replaced with what?
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10:05<zedboy>mjt: dunno. I mean, a default install doesn't seem to run /etc/init.d/networking
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10:06<mjt>that's news
10:07<zedboy>mjt: it wants you to use network-manager. this is a squeeze install, done yesterday
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10:13<SummerSanta>anyone knows how to set up a pppoe connection in debian 5.0 ?
10:14<gsimmons>dpkg: tell SummerSanta -about pppoe
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10:16<mjt>zedboy: Package: network-manager; Priority: optional
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10:17<mjt>zedboy: while for netbase, it's Priority: important
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10:18<dooteo>Hi all,
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10:19<mjt>zedboy: why do you think /etc/init.d/networking is not started at boot?
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10:20<SummerSanta>gsimmons the boot tells me about "aptitude install pppoeconf && pppoeconf" .. i do that..and after? have any ideea?
10:20<dooteo>recently I bought a Iomega StorCenter ix2, and installed its soft on one of my Debian machines. But once its software was installed only 'root' user can access via GDM or ssh to the system, nobody else can login.
10:21<dooteo>even if iomega software is uninstalled, system does not let to access to any user (except to root)
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10:21<dooteo>so, does anyone know which file (or files) does iomega touched to denied users login?
10:22<mjt>this is wrong question
10:22<gsimmons>SummerSanta: pppoeconf will generate a "dsl-provider" entry in /etc/network/interfaces, you can raise this interface to bring up your PPPoE connection. See for futher details.
10:23<mjt>the better one is "how to find this out" or "why it refuses to log in"
10:23<dooteo>mjt: okey, 'why it refuses to login'?
10:25<mjt>look at the logs
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10:29<keret>Hi. I get: Failed to fetch Unable to fetch file, server said 'Failed to open file. ' [IP: 21]
10:29<keret>What to do?
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10:29<rpetre>keret: change the mirror, perhaps it's not fully synchronized
10:29*rpetre is a mirror operator
10:30<gsimmons>Uh, Etch has been removed from the mirrors.
10:30<rpetre>oh, it's etch
10:30<keret>rpetre: I tried also.. Which one should I try
10:30<rpetre>etch is no longer on mirrors
10:30<keret>Which server should I go for then?
10:30<keret>Or is it all gone from everywhere?
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10:31<gsimmons>keret: /msg dpkg etch sources.list
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10:32<mjt>hm. someone's still using etch? fantastic :)
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10:32<keret>mjt: Never touch a running system!
10:32<keret>rpetre: Great - thanks!
10:33<mjt>if it breaks throw it away
10:35<zedboy>mjt: /etc/init.d/networking wasn't started at boot b/c it wasn't started at boot - not in /etc/rc2.d
10:35*zedboy still has an etch machine
10:36<mjt>it's started in rcS.d/S14
10:36<mjt>not in rc2.d
10:36<mjt>besides, with insserv they're started fifferently
10:37<mjt>differently even
10:37<zedboy>mjt: wack :-)
10:37<mjt>insserv does not look at rc?.d/ dirs, it looks at dependencies inside the scripts
10:38<mjt>so you can rm /etc/rc?.d/* and it'll work still
10:38<zedboy>mjt: SysVInit has changed a bit :)
10:38<mjt>it's not sysvinit
10:38<zedboy>mjt: yeah. you can say that again
10:39<mjt>sysvinit runs /etc/init.d/rc as before
10:40<zedboy>mjt: in any case my issue was having network-manager running, with a propensity to go get a dynamic address even tho the correct static information was in /etc/network/interfaces and the eth0 was already up
10:41<dpkg>NetworkManager is a network management framework daemon. Squeeze/testing users: ask me about <nm squeeze>. See /usr/share/doc/network-manager/README.Debian for setup instructions. Backported 0.7.3 packages available, ask me about <bdo>. #nm on See also <wireless connection managers>.
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10:42<itch>Hello guys
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10:42<itch>Is there any way to start the bluetooth at boot time? I know that some of the previous kernels had something like that.
10:42<zedboy>mjt: what dpkg claims about wired interfaces notwithstanding ... someone was dynamically configuring eth0 and it weren't me :)
10:43<mjt>well, dunno. i never used nm
10:43<rpetre>mjt: any idea if nm <-> ifupdown integration will go anywhere soon?
10:43<mjt>nfc ;)
10:44<rpetre>i hate nm with a passion, but i seem to be stuck with it because of various gnome bits
10:44<mjt>i guess it can be set up now - just give some ifaces to ifudown and some to nm
10:44<rpetre>it tends to piss all over what i write in /e/n/interfaces
10:45<mjt>um. i used wicd once - that one was more or less ok, but it wasn't easy to use
10:45<rpetre>yeah, the problem when being mobile is that this tends to not work all the time
10:45<mjt>dunno, really
10:46<rpetre>nvm, sorry
10:46<mjt>i'm fine with controlling that stuff from command line
10:46<zedboy>rpetre: i live with nm on the laptop and it's reasonably fine.
10:46<rpetre>me too, but sometimes i don't want to discover new addresses on the command line
10:46<rpetre>zedboy: i used to have some special routes and other hooks set up in interfaces
10:47<zedboy>rpetre: ah yeah that could get yucky. my life is relatively boring
10:47<rpetre>and found out that n-m discovers the mappings and greps for the ip address and such, without bothering to use ifupdown to set them up
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10:48<zedboy>hehe, crashed nedit and mozilla w/a major paste
10:48<rpetre>not sure who i can talk to about this without being sent off as a blabbering moron
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10:50<dooteo>mjt: only these logs appears:
10:50<dooteo>./auth.log:Nov 9 11:04:21 zerbitzaria : (pam_unix) session opened for user dooteo by (uid=0)
10:50<dooteo>./auth.log:Nov 9 11:04:21 zerbitzaria : (pam_unix) session closed for user dooteo
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10:50<dooteo>and runlevel is 2 (multiuser)
10:50<gsimmons>dooteo: Does /etc/nologin exist?
10:50<dooteo>gsimmons: let me see
10:52<dooteo>gsimmons: there is not /etc/nologin file
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10:55<rpetre>does the user have a valid shell?
10:56<dooteo>yes: [etc/passwd file]: dooteo:x:1026:1026::/home/dooteo:/bin/sh
10:57<dooteo>and pam.d/common-auth is as: auth required nullok_secure
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11:05<dooteo>gsimmons: HOME/.xsessions-errors file contains: 'Xsession: X session started for dooteo at ar. aza 9 16:56:33 CET 2010 open: Permission denied'
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11:15<dooteo>gsimmons: I'm going to request help to Iomega developers to know what they made to my precious Debian.
11:16<dooteo>thanks and best regards,
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11:21<aixenv>hey guys, i need to implement better audit logging, is there any way to be able to differentiate either ips/src locations alll using the same login or do i need to just switch back to basic users and utilize sudo?
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11:22<nevyn>aixenv: you could construct different ip sessions but it's hairy using sudo is more reliable and has better integrity imho.
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11:22<aixenv>nevyn: iw as also reading it might be possible to "tie" users to a specific tty
11:22<nevyn>aixenv: so you can work back from the logon event in the ssh log.
11:23<aixenv>nevyn: i agree it's just a huge process change and im sure ill get flack for it
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11:23<aixenv>but i think the benefit outweighs the negative
11:23<nevyn>aixenv: I've done it to people too.
11:23<nevyn>I think the big thing is.
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11:23<nevyn>stage the process.
11:23<nevyn>make sure people can still do their work.
11:23<nevyn>make doing it the right way the easier way.
11:24<nevyn>(use personal SSH keys etc if your security policies allow)
11:24<nevyn>don't make authorised dba's type their password to access oracle setup sudo to just allow them and log it.
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11:26<aixenv>keys isn't a bad idea, i was thinking either that or src ips
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11:26<nevyn>fight security if they think harder is more secure. ensure that you meet goals of non-repudiation integrity and auditability.
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11:27<nevyn>aixenv: use a directory.
11:27<nevyn>authenticate everything you can off a directory.
11:28<aixenv>how so?
11:28<aixenv>i dont follow what you're referring to
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11:29<nevyn>which bit?
11:29<nevyn>I said a bunch of stuff.
11:29<aixenv>the auth everythign off a dir
11:30<nevyn>a directory. openldap fedora directory server active directory if you already have it.
11:30<aixenv>oh i gotcha
11:30<aixenv>yea i was thinking of implementing ldap for internal servers (ns, mail, backup, etc)
11:30<nevyn>if your organisation has a directory already. don't make a new one with more accounts
11:30<nevyn>use peoples existing accounts
11:31<aixenv>no dir so i'd have to set that up also
11:31<nevyn>then you can push password complexity management to the owner of that directory.
11:31<nevyn>you don't have any windows in your organisation?
11:31<aixenv>we keep it separate (dont use domain/AD)
11:31<aixenv>dif vlans, etc
11:31<nevyn>oh wow that's a world of pain.
11:31<aixenv>security by obscurity :P
11:32<aixenv>we use ssh keys for the linux boxen
11:32<aixenv>well client wise
11:32<aixenv>src ip / key
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11:32*nevyn doesn't consider ip source security mechinisms at all useful.
11:33<nevyn>I find firewalls a GIANT pain in the ass.
11:33<nevyn>unless I'm administering them.
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11:33<aixenv>im also thinking about implementing a vpn to the initial system in
11:33<aixenv>that way no crafty packets over ssh can cause a problem
11:34*nevyn LIKES crafty packets over ssh.
11:35<aixenv>would you vote for vpn over ssh locked down via src ip?
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11:35<nevyn>I did have a customer where the initial ssh via key gave a box with a shell of /bin/true.
11:36<nevyn>but allowed a port forward to the internal box.
11:36<nevyn>that was kinda neat
11:36<aixenv>ah port knocking kinda?
11:36<aixenv>any thoughts on that?
11:36<aixenv>i was reading about that yesterday
11:36<koollman>port knocking is usually just annoying
11:36<nevyn>so you had to ssh to the dmz host with a key and configure your client to create a tunnel on the dmz host to an internal host.
11:37<nevyn>then you ssh'd to localhost on the port you forwarded.
11:37<aixenv>my first goal is to be able to properly audit wtf ppl are doing, not from a malicious standpoint but user error
11:38<peterS>nevyn: what's the advantage of that? the fact that you need a key (or password) for the dmz box, but you can't actually log in to it to do any mischief?
11:38<aixenv>since we have a few boxes with the same user acct getting used im betting bash_history gets clobberd or at the very least isn't 100% accurate
11:38<nevyn>peterS: yep.
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11:38<nevyn>aixenv: you need sudo realistically.
11:38<nevyn>I'm very sad that sudoshell is unmaintained.
11:39<nevyn>but not sad enough to saddle myself with a security related project.
11:39<peterS>what makes _me_ sad is people like my coworkers who pronounce sudo as 'pseudo'
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11:40<peterS>they're the same ones who say spamhaus as 'spamhoss'
11:40<rpetre>peterS: haha, that;s a nice description :)
11:40<aixenv>speaking of spamhaus..
11:40<aixenv>they just let me know last week im over the free usage of their server.. yay grats me.. now i get to pay for it bleh
11:40<nevyn>peterS: the speudo thing is intentional
11:40<nevyn>cause it's almost like being someone else.
11:41<aixenv>ive been looking around and dont see any other rbls anywhere near the quality sadly
11:41<peterS>nevyn: perhaps, but I have always thought of it as "su, then do", so that is how I pronounce it
11:41<bja>aixenv: How much mail do you need to scan to be over theri free limit?
11:41<nevyn>peterS: so sudo -u oracle -blah.
11:41<peterS>yay for oracle
11:41<bja>aixenv: SpamEatingMonkey I've heard is doing a nice job
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11:43<aixenv>bja: according to pflogsumm, approx 600ish k/day
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11:52<aixenv>nevyn: thanks for your thoughts, i appreciate the feedback
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12:21<grummund>is it possible to have /tmp on a different partition than / ?
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12:21<Duber>grummund yes, with LVM
12:24<grummund>hmm, ok. but i guess not possible to move /tmp an old ext2 system
12:25<Duber>grummund I don't see why not
12:25<smv>grummund, no need to use LVM for that. just partition the HDD as you wish then assign mount points to the partitions. bear in mind that you might want to use an extended partition if you want more than 4 partitions on a single drive.
12:26<grummund>the box is already partitioned... / is low on space but there is a partition with some free space...
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12:27<grummund>hmm, TMPDIR may be the/an answer
12:28<Zokudu>whats the best irc client for debian? Or rather what options do I have?
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12:28<Duber>Zokudu you have lots of options both in text and graphical mode
12:29<cahoot>aptitude search irc
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12:33<jhutchins2>Duber: No need for lvm at all.
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12:53<Duber>jhutchins2 good to know D: it was only a suggestion
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13:35<martiben>Is down?
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13:37<amphi>martiben: not for me
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13:38<amphi>bremner: heh
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13:38<martiben>Was just for a second, but i still cant get into the debsqueezefreeze link in the topic.
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13:39<jlj>hi, I get libc6-dev: Depends: libc6 (= 2.7-18lenny4) but 2.7-18lenny6 is to be installed
13:39<amphi>martiben: worksforme™
13:39<jlj>it says it's a broken package. anyone knows why?
13:39<martiben> and timeout when i try to update aptitude, was wondering why
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13:42<martiben>bremner: thanks :)
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14:17<matte3560>I need some help getting VirtualBox 3.2 to work
14:17<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
14:18<matte3560>ah, ok :P
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14:24<matte3560>Well, I've just installed VirtualBox 3.2 from the debian-backlog mirror. It's giving me an error when ever i try to start a VM (rc=-1908). I noticed that when the package was installing, i this came up in the terminal: "no suitable vboxnetflt module for running kernel found debian". I've already tried updating my kernel (linux-image-2.6.32-bpo.5-amd64), and i still get the same error.
14:24<matte3560>Any ideas?
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14:24<matte3560>runing lenny btw
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15:22<lobo>hi to all
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15:26<matte3560>I've just installed VirtualBox 3.2 from the debian-backlog mirror. It's giving me an error when ever i try to start a VM (rc=-1908). I noticed that when the package was installing, i this came up in the terminal: "no suitable vboxnetflt module for running kernel found debian". I've already tried updating my kernel (linux-image-2.6.32-bpo.5-amd64), and i still get the same error.
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15:27<Torsten_W>matte3560, m-a a-i virtualbox-ose-source
15:28<matte3560>Torsten_W, uh, I'm pretty new to this still. what's with the m-a a-i?
15:28<Torsten_W>read the manpage
15:28<Torsten_W>module-assistant auto-install
15:30<Torsten_W>and for building the mudules, you need the matching headers for your running kernel
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15:34<matte3560>Compile failed when i ran m-a a-i virtualbox-ose-source. Where do I get the headers?
15:34<Torsten_W>apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
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15:36<matte3560>already the newest version apparently
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15:37<Torsten_W>dpkg -l virtualbox-ose-source
15:37<dpkg>No packages found matching virtualbox-ose-source
15:37<Torsten_W>and the error from m-a is realy interesting
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15:38<matte3560>you think i might have messed something up here?
15:38<Torsten_W>from where should i know?
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15:39<matte3560>i was hoping there might be a common issue with this, but i guess not :/
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15:41<matte3560>oh, of course... virtualbox was open when i ran the m-a command
15:42<matte3560>well, it still fails
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15:43<Torsten_W>"it fails" is helping zero
15:43<matte3560>sorry, i'll try to get the log here
15:43<matte3560>give me a sec
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15:49<Xeross>I am setting up a VPN pptpd and was wondering if its possible to use system users for auth or to hash the passwrods in chap-secrets
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15:49<kako>Xeross pls help me
15:49<Xeross>kako: wth, what is it
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15:50<kako>How can I mount my windows partituions?
15:50<Torsten_W>with mount
15:50<kako>Xeross How can I mount my windows partituions in debian?
15:51<Torsten_W>man mount
15:51<Xeross>mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/(hd|sd)X /mountpoint
15:51<Xeross>or something similar
15:52<kako>I face this message
15:52<kako>You are not privileged to mount the volume
15:52<Torsten_W>be root
15:52<kako>I want to open them graphicaly
15:53<kako>by a file manager
15:53<Torsten_W>a file manager is not for mounting internal devices
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15:53<Torsten_W>so put them in the fstab
15:53<Hydroxide>Torsten_W: works in kde...
15:53<kako>Hydroxide how?
15:54<Xeross>gksu nautilus
15:54<Torsten_W>Hydroxide, not ever
15:54<kako>Xeross yea
15:54<Hydroxide>kako: I forget which packages you need to have installed, but ntfs-3g definitely
15:54<Torsten_W>Hydroxide, hal normaly prevents from mounting internal devices
15:54<mase_>kako kde or gnome?
15:54<kako>mase_ gnome
15:55<Hydroxide>Torsten_W: ah ... you might be right about the lenny version. it's been a while since I've used lenny kde :) I'm on sid kde with policykit support. I forget if I had to tweak any config options or not
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15:55<Hydroxide>Torsten_W: so, we're probably both right, but you're probably right for kako's situation :)
15:55<Torsten_W>Hydroxide, you have to tweak, if you use policykit
15:55<Hydroxide>Torsten_W: kde has a gui for doing that tweaking now
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15:56<mase_>kako no idea (im with kde) but there should be such thing like a "device manager" too
15:56<matte3560>Torsten_W: Am I going to need to update Samba aswell after updating my kernel?
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15:57<kako>mase_ is this problem solved in Kde?
15:58<tash>kako: what problem?
15:59<Hydroxide>kako: after discussing with Torsten_W, looks like the answer is "no, unless you do some somewhat advanced tweaking"
15:59<Hydroxide>I am not in a position to test right this moment
16:00<kako>I want my partitions to be mounted like in ubuntu
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16:01<Torsten_W>kako, write thim in your fstab
16:01<kako>Hydroxide I don't want to install ubuntu because debian is stabe and fast.
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16:02<kako>Torsten_W pls give me example lines.
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16:03<tash>kako: search in the web for it..
16:04<kako>tash okay thanks a lot.
16:04<Torsten_W>kako, /dev/sdXY /path/to/mountpoint ntfs|ntfs-3g|vfat users,umask=000 0 0
16:04<Torsten_W>kako, no one knows the filesystem of your partitions
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16:05<kako>Torsten_W I have two fat32 partitions.
16:06<Torsten_W>then vfat is the right entry
16:06<countley>hello all
16:06<kako>Torsten_W thanks.
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16:08<countley>were you from
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16:08<elements1>Me? BC, Canada.
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16:09<countley>im from london
16:09<f8l>countley: This is not a random chatter channel...
16:09<matte3560>Torsten_W: I got the build log for you. Sorry it took so long, I had some trouble getting samba to start.
16:10<Torsten_W>[21:37] <Torsten_W> dpkg -l virtualbox-ose-source
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16:10<countley>i know but manners dont cost a thing
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16:12<Torsten_W>matte3560, or better, dpkg -l | grep virtualbox
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16:15<matte3560>Torsten_W: Output from dpkg -l | grep virtualbox
16:15<matte3560>source package is for the old version by the looks of it
16:17<Torsten_W>matte3560, then its logical, that this not work
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16:17<Torsten_W>matte3560, so install the matching source and build the module
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16:21<matte3560>Torsten_W: The source for the new version is the virtualbox-ose-dkms package. According to the description you have to build it with dkms (obviously), how would i do that?
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16:21<Torsten_W>matte3560, no, the dmks package is an other package
16:21<Torsten_W>matte3560, the dkms package will never work with module-assistant
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16:22<matte3560>Yeah, I understand that. The discription tells me you can build it using dkms though. Isn't that an option?
16:23<Torsten_W>i never use dkms
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16:41<matte3560>Torsten_W: Okay, it's working as it should be now. Thanks!
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16:42<jimm>Wow, I just joined a chat room for the very first time. Hello gang
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16:45<dpkg>laghi: VATTENE VIA!
16:45<laghi>ciao a tutti...
16:45<dpkg>laghi: VATTENE VIA!
16:45<laghi>come faccio a scaricare????????
16:45<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
16:46<laghi>voglio scaricare!!!
16:46<laghi>teste di cazzo ditemi come devo scaricare
16:47<laghi>voglio vedere dei film
16:48<amphi>jimm: are you running debian?
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16:48<dpkg>laghi: VATTENE VIA!
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16:49<supplicant>laghi: dpkg is a bot and will say that every time you do that
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16:49<jimm>Hey amphi; yes I just installed debian lenny three days ago; dual boot with my XP
16:49*dpkg waves a finger in the air. "Yay."
16:50<laghi> /join #warezlandia
16:50<amphi>jimm: can it be judged that your silence means you have no problems so far?
16:50<jimm>I have a book I bought at chapters; "Linux in Easy Steps" that I working my way through to learn debian
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16:51<amphi>there is also the debian reference, which is an installable package
16:51<amphi>and ISTR a quite useful "introduction to linux" book at
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16:52<jimm>Thanks amphi; I also have Linux Journal & Linux Format magazines which I have fun learning from.
16:52<amphi>!tell jimm -about grounding
16:52<amphi>jimm: you should have had a PM from the bot
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16:53<jimm>Not sure what that means amphi
16:53<dpkg>Before asking in here or on the <debian-user> mailing list, you should read the Installation Guide, or if you already have Debian installed, the Debian Reference. Ask me about <ig>, <reference>, <refcard>, <docs>, <manuals>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <faq>, <unix lessons>, <general cli tutorial>. (e.g. in your IRC client, type /msg dpkg reference)
16:53<amphi>you should have got that in a PM window from dpkg
16:53<dpkg>laghi: VATTENE VIA!
16:53<laghi>ciao a tutti
16:54<jimm>Okay man; just got the pm now
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16:55<amphi>jimm: the bot knows many useful things
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16:56<amphi>jimm: if you don't know exactly what to ask it, try '/msg dpkg listkeys foo' and/or '/msg dpkg listvals foo', where 'foo' is whatever you want to know about
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16:57<jimm>Thanks amphi: I will be using it for sure; lots to learn. I want to get familiar with the command line
16:57<amphi>uninstall xorg ;)
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16:58<laghi>$ irc mini-HOWTO
16:58<laghi>irc mini-HOWTO
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16:58<jimm>I just go to the Terminal and practice using stuff from my book and the magazines.
16:59<nymeria>Hello lads, when trying to install ktorrent on lenny aptitude told me that it, due to some broken packages, would have to remove kdebase-bin-kde3. Won't this break my KDE3 install big time?
16:59<amphi>jimm: carefully ;) it's generally good to know what a command will do before you run it
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17:00<jimm>Right on; I agree. I want to download Python and start using it on this OS; but using package manager lists too many items!!!
17:01<diederik>Hi, I have a nvidia card and I've used the nvidia-kernel-source and nvidia-kernel-dkms packages for the driver
17:01<devil>jimm: python should be installed
17:01<laghi>come si scarica ?
17:01<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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17:01<diederik>Before that I've used the module assistant as described on
17:02<devil>jimm: just enter python in your shell. should return: >>>
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17:02<devil>thats your python shell
17:02<jimm>devil: I thought so too, but I can't find it in Applications, Places or System???
17:02<diederik>But now I've bought a nvidia GT 430, for which I need drivers which are neither in sid or experimental
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17:02<amphi>jimm: run it in a term
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17:02<diederik>So I have to use the development driver from the nvidia website
17:03<jimm>amphi & devil: Do I just type python at the terminal?
17:03<diederik>What should I do to have all the relevant components what the debian packages provided for me before?
17:03<amphi>jimm: yes
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17:03<amphi>jimm: and ctrl-d to leave the interpreter
17:04<jimm>Okay amphi; thanks loads. I will try that.
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17:04<devil>jimm: Hello World is not far away :)
17:05<nymeria>Hello lads, when trying to install ktorrent on lenny aptitude told me that it, due to some broken packages, would have to remove kdebase-bin-kde3. Won't this break my KDE3 install big time?
17:05<diederik>nymeria: try with "aptitude -s <restofcommand" -s means simulate so nothing actually happens
17:06<jimm>The terminal recognizes my command <python> so now how do I get the programming environment - idle?
17:08<devil>jimm: there is none :)
17:08<devil>jimm: its all at the prompt
17:08<nymeria>diederik, Will do. But how do I know if my KDE-installation is broken after the simulation? All it did was to not do anything once it came to the fetch packages and install part.
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17:09<amphi>jimm: or you write your code in the text editor of your choice
17:09<jimm>Okay devil, thanks. I have the python book "hello world", so I just follow along using the prompt, right
17:09<diederik>nymeria: if kdebase-bin-kde3 causes to remove almost anything, you know it will be broken
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17:09<jimm>I have gedit, which I can use for text editor
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17:10<devil>jimm: there is more than one way to it, just followyour book. if i was you, i would learn some more about bash in general before proceeding
17:10<amphi>jimm: after some time, if you do more coding, you will probably want to use a more powerful editor, like vim or emacs
17:11<diederik>nymeria: the simulation won't break your installed apps (any of them)
17:11<amphi>jimm: but gedit is fine
17:11<jimm>amphi, I have python loaded on my XP system and it came with a development environment called "idle" which I expected with debian also, but no luck.
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17:12<tiraemolla>sera a tutti
17:12<nymeria>diederik, Seems to not do too much damage, lets hope for the best
17:13<diederik>you could also try asking on #debian-kde, most of the maintainer are usually online
17:14<amphi>damn, the last of the beer :(
17:14<devil>amphi: bedtime :)
17:14<jimm>Thanks for the advice amphi & devil. I am signing of for now. Cheers, and I thin I will get a beer also.
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17:14<amphi>I have a bottle of mesclat by my side, for emergencies ;)
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17:16<devil>uh, dangerous
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17:20<nymeria>It seemed to go well diederik, lets hope it survives the next reboot. Fare well!
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17:22<diederik>Does someone know if the nvidia installer will provide glx and vdpau and compositing support?
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17:24<Torsten_W>diederik, yes, it will
17:24<Xeross>I compiled a kernel from the linux source repository (Xen one) and installed it however, it seems that that broke some stuff as I can't evn create a folder in /proc
17:24<Xeross>Any way to fix this
17:25<devil>diederik: if you want to use drivers from sid, you could try
17:25<diederik>Torsten_W: thanks. Any other things to be beware of other then specified in the README?
17:25<Torsten_W>diederik, yes, you install software by bypassing your package management
17:26<Torsten_W>diederik, do you think, that is a good idea?
17:26<diederik>Torsten_W: great, thanks.
17:26<slurb>build a .deb file
17:26<slurb>its much safer
17:26<Torsten_W>the driver is in debian
17:26<diederik>I believe I have to since the drivers provided in sid/experimental don't support my new graphics card (yet)
17:27<Torsten_W>so why should anyone need to selfbuild debs
17:27<slurb>self build the newer version
17:27<diederik>I need the 260.19.14 (or at least 260.19.x) for that
17:28<diederik>slurb: I would love to do that, but don't know how
17:28<Torsten_W>slurb, do yo habe ever build the nvidia-driver?
17:28<Torsten_W>then don't suggest that
17:28<Torsten_W>it's not that easy
17:28<diederik>I had build it before using module assistant, but using the nvidia-kernel-source package from debian
17:29<Torsten_W>what card you have?
17:29<diederik>GT 430
17:29<Torsten_W>yes, then you can't use the debian package
17:30<diederik>that was my conclusion as well. Are there better options that the thing from the nvidia website?
17:30<slurb>deirdrik use the .run from nvidia, but make sure to get module-assistant first and run m-a prepare
17:31<slurb>then it should build fine
17:31<Torsten_W>module-assistant is not needed for the *.run
17:31<diederik>slurb: why? I know I need the kernel headers (use stock debian kernel, so no issue),
17:31<Torsten_W>diederik, right
17:31<Torsten_W>m-a useless
17:32<slurb>just an easy way to get the pre-requs
17:32<diederik>slurb: ah ok, but I think I have them already
17:33<diederik>Guess I'll install the card tomorrow then. Thanks for the help.
17:33<slurb>good luck
17:33<Xeross>Is is a new feature in newer kernels were you cant create files in /proc ?
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17:34<koollman>Xeross: you could create files in /proc, at any time, when it was mounted ?
17:34<Xeross>koollman: Yep, until I installed this newer kernel
17:34<diederik>slurb: thanks.
17:34<Xeross>koollman: Basically /proc/xen is missing so I can't mount my xenfs
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17:35<diederik>One more thing: When there's a kernel upgrade (even minor), do I need to run the installer again?
17:35<koollman>Xeross: /proc/xen is missing probably because your new kernel has no xen support
17:35<Torsten_W>diederik, not the whole installer
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17:36<Torsten_W>diederik, you only have to rebuild the kernel-module for the new kernel
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17:36<Torsten_W>diederik, so you can use ./ -K
17:37<diederik>Torsten_W: awesome, thanks!
17:37<Xeross>koollman: This is a Xen git branch and I checked the menuconfig for Xen, and all I could find is enabled
17:38<Xeross>koollman: I'm probably missing something because this config is so huge
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17:41<macarthur>does the latest kernel that debian's released support the new formatting standard aka 4k sectors?
17:42<mjt>2.6.32, yes, mostly
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17:43<mjt>as in: for most stuff, excluding exotics
17:43<mjt>(for the time being anyway)
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17:43<macarthur>so it should be able to allow me to move my failing hdd data off of the old hdd onto thenew one with little problems right
17:44<elements1>ah cool. thx
17:44<mjt>you'll need recent disk formatting tools too (or else it's difficult to calculate right alignment)
17:44<macarthur>since that's hte only reason im' getting a new one since i've apparently gotten a 'failing' rating from smart
17:44<macarthur>gparted is what i have
17:44<mjt>parted --align=optimal
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17:44<mjt>dunno if it's default or if it's supported by gparted
17:45<mjt>and i don't remember if the one from lenny works correctly
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17:46<macarthur>i'm in sid atm
17:46<macarthur>so i hope it does
17:46<mjt>yes it does
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17:46<mjt>for any sector size >512 it's critical to get partition alignment right
17:47<mjt>so start of a partition wont be in middle of a sector
17:47<mjt>mkfs should understand it too (mke2fs from squeeze/sid does)
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17:47<mjt>so that filesystem structures will be properly sector-aligned
17:48<macarthur>how do i deslect something clicked in report bug?
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17:48<macarthur>i was getting ready to say that gparted upon selection in synatpic doesn't fetch parted but then i cilcked on teh 'options' and i twon'tlet me unhighlight any of them
17:48<mjt>parse error
17:49<macarthur>Ah there it is shift click
17:49<mjt>there's libparted on which both are based
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17:49<mjt>but they're independent of each other
17:50<macarthur>i thought that gparted required the parted function to work
17:51<macarthur>also any idea when sid'll be getting 2.6.34 or so since that's theone that apparently adds whatever those bells and whistles are for the new partion sector format
17:51<mjt>which bells and whistles?
17:52<peterS>macarthur: I suspect sid will get a newer kernel when squeeze is released
17:52<mjt>and it wont be 2.6.34 :)
17:52<mjt>2.6.36 is in experimental now
17:53<macarthur>so it'll be like a year from now?
17:53<mjt>or maybe two
17:53<mjt>heh. 3 years of freeze sounds good :)
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17:54<macarthur>well i was just going via how the debian developers seem to go. They're really into extensive testing, and checks until anything becomes stable fromwhat i've seen.
17:55<mjt>looks like a quite common myth ;)
17:55*mjt hides
17:55<macarthur>has anyone on here ever used a WD-AV hdd before?
17:56<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
17:56<macarthur>it's the one that i'm looking at since it's 500gb and also has a 32MB cache
17:56<macarthur>so my question wasn't a real question?
17:56<mjt>there are many special-purpose forums about these drives
17:57<mjt>it's much wider than debian
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17:57<mjt>btw, the 500gb one is their smallest.
17:57<mjt>what a hot person. it was a joke
17:58<mjt>so much for answering questions.
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17:59<mjt>they're up to 3Tb now with 64Mb cache
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19:22<lancelot_of>hi all
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19:23<lancelot_of>is there anyway to convert ps into pdf , other than ps2pdf?it's taking really a lot of time no to convert my file, more than 11 hrs!
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19:25<mike_>lancelot_of, could you open it and then print to PDF?
19:25<lancelot_of>mike_, how to in gv?or do i need another program?
19:26<mike_>lancelot_of, you can get a pseudo printer driver than outputs PDFs.
19:27<themill>that still uses ghostscript though
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19:28<mike_>lancelot_of, something like
19:29<mike_>themill, true.
19:29<mike_>lancelot_of, worth a try though.
19:29<themill>lancelot_of: is the machine thrashing? is the conversion taking an obscene amount of memory?
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19:30<lancelot_of>themill, the second one you said
19:31<edbian> Is there proprietary code in my system?
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19:33<themill>lancelot_of: there might be some options you can give to ghostscript to help it there. For example, telling it to reduce the resolution of raster images etc can help
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19:42<bja>lancelot_of: ps2pdf is a bash script that will eventually call something similar to this gs -q -dNOPAUSE -dBATCH -sDEVICE=pdfwrite -sOutputFile=- - If it is taking that much time take a different aproach to the conversion like people allready have told you
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21:13<secondhand>i have mpd set up on my debian lenny server bound to port 6600, however when i try to connect the connection is refused, I've allowed the port in iptables. Does anyone else know what the problem might be?
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21:15<cthuluh>secondhand: does it listen on or
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22:08<ananth123>can anyone help me to fix alsa to play sound correctly ??? the drivers are loaded but i get a static sound whenever a sound file is played
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22:36<EmleyMoor>I am not sure the wireless on my laptop is working properly any more, as it is difficult to get it to connect, at least at home. Any way I can test and prove it one way or the other?
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22:39<high>bonjour tous le monde
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22:45<high>je possede un serveur dns chez moi qui fonctionnait tres bien le probleme c'est que je viens de demenager et je me retrouve avec une ip dynamique je me sui fait un no-ip le probleme c'est que je ne sait pas comment declarer a mon registrar mon dns, et surtout comment reconfigurer mon dns (bind9) car pour le moment il pointe sur mon ancienne ip
22:45<high>mais la j'ai plus d'ip
22:45<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
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22:54<blocktree>basic package question: in my DEBIAN/control file I have specified Depends: less . I build the package and when I try to install it it fails because less is not installed ( dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration ) . I was expecting the system to install all prerequisites automaticaly. What am i missing?
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23:01<rabryn>blocktree: is that the only dependency your package has?
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23:01<blocktree>rabryn: yes...this is just my practice package nothing serious
23:02<rabryn>blocktree: np, just checking, sometimes it's a comma seperated list issue... anyway, have you run lintian on your deb file yet?
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23:05<blocktree>rabryn: not yet. in fact my package has only DEBAN/control file and some sample data to be installed. It all works well but i wish to install dependencies when installing my package with dpkg -i mypackage.deb
23:05<rabryn>blocktree: also, it has been my experience that you should not have any blank fields in your control file, if you don't use it remove it.
23:06<blocktree>rabryn: it seems that control file is OK because if I remove Depends: and can build and install no worries
23:06<rabryn>blocktree: i see, i don't think dpkg will install dependencies, you might be thinking it works like apt (apt-get install mypackage)
23:06<blocktree>rabryn: yes
23:06<blocktree>rabryn: I'm on the wrong track right?
23:07<blocktree>rabryn: it works when i do apt-get -f install
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23:08<blocktree>rabryn: this will fetch the less command and do settings on mypackage. Is it possible to do it in one command?
23:08<rabryn>yes, for instance, you have to configure a source for apt to retrive packages (usually the defaults are good, check /etc/apt/sources.list), but dpkg does not have a "source", it's for installing packages from the command line, assuming you already have the dependencies installed.
23:08<terang>Because apt-get is a front end for dpkg and it auto-negotiates dependencies :)
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23:10<blocktree>but I cannot use apt-get to install local package right?
23:10<rabryn>blocktree: i've setup my own apt repository for my custom packages for this kind of thing... i'm not sure what you mean 'apt-get -f install' works...
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23:10<rabryn>blocktree: right.
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23:13<rabryn>how to setup a debian repo -
23:14<rabryn>package maintainer's guide -
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23:14<blocktree> rabryn: fisrt when i do dpkg -i mypackage.deb i get error the less is not installed and therefore mypackage will not be set. after that I enter apt-get -f install and this will fetch less package and set mypackage.
23:15<blocktree>so to do it with a single command i need to set my local repository and fetch my own package from there allong with all dependencies
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23:17<rabryn>blocktree: ah, i see, the initial dpkg line makes dpkg think it has broken dependencies which the 'apt-get install -f' fixes by downloading less...
23:17<rabryn>if you have your own repository then you'll just need the one package available there, apt will use other sources to download dependencies such as less...
23:17<blocktree>rabryn: it does not solve my question but it proves that package it self is build correctly
23:18<blocktree>rabryn: yep..I understand that..
23:18<rabryn>yes, it appears your package is built correctly... sorry, maybe i'm missing your question.
23:18<blocktree>rabryn: damn I thought it would be easier :-)
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23:20<blocktree>rabryn: no you understand the question....all I wanted is to install mypackage along with all dependencies in single command. From what I ot from you the only way to do it is to create my own repository.
23:20<rabryn>lol, actually, creating a trivial apt repo is really simple, just install apache and throw your package in /var/www, then just run dpkg-scanpackages there to create the Packages.gz file...
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23:22<blocktree>rabryn: that sounds cool..I have apache alredy installed... what options an args you need to use with dpkg-scanpackages
23:22<rabryn>i may have over simplified it, you actually want to create /var/www/binaries and throw your package in there, then execute 'dpkg-scanpackages binary /dev/null | gzip -9c > binary/Packages.gz' in /var/www
23:23<blocktree>rabryn: and my apache will have a root directory /var/www/binaries ?
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23:24<blocktree>rabryn: or it doeas not matter?
23:24<blocktree>rabryn: insteresting...what do you specify in sources.list then?
23:24<rabryn>but that's the gist of it, then you can add localhost to your sources.list file, like 'http://deb file:///home/aisotton/rep-exact binary/
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23:25<rabryn>nevermind that...
23:25<rabryn>that last post i mean, copy paste error...
23:25<rabryn>deb http://localhost binary/
23:26<rabryn>that might work... :-)
23:26<blocktree>binaries or binary ?
23:26<rabryn>oops, good catch, binaries
23:26<rabryn>the dir your package is in
23:27<blocktree>dude you are superman..let me try right now..:-)
23:27<rabryn>once you have that in place do an apt-get updtae
23:27<rabryn>that will tell you real fast if you have any issues with your sources.list file
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23:31<blocktree>rabryn: dpkg-scanpackages binary /dev/null do we really want to have /dev/null in there..?
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23:33<rabryn>and the sources.list entry may be a little off, you might want 'deb http://localhost/binary ./
23:33<rabryn>try the first, 'apt-get update' will tell you if you need to try the second... :-)
23:34<rabryn>damn! binaries again! (not binary)
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23:36<blocktree>rabryn: super works like charmed !...I need to hit y for ( Install these packages without verification [y/N] ) but this is minor issue...
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23:37<blocktree>rabryn: thanks a were right it was easy :-)
23:37<rabryn>so you got it working?
23:37<rabryn>oops, i see you prev post, nm
23:38<blocktree>rabryn: yes I did...fantastic..
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23:38<rabryn>there are options to force-yes when installing from a non verified apt-repo... but this is kind of dangerous because you're not always sure what you're agreeing to...
23:38<blocktree>rabryn: the thing is that if would go and read debian documentation it would take me weeks :-)
23:39<blocktree>rabryn: yes ...
23:39<rabryn>'apt-get install --force-yes package'
23:40<blocktree>rabryn: ok...thaks again..I'm going to write all steps down so I will never forget :-))
23:40<rabryn>np, you can also create a gpg key for your repo... it's a little more involved, just google 'apt-key add'
23:40<rabryn>good deal, ttyl
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23:42<blocktree>rabryn: now I got an idea to use this instead of my apt-cacher
23:43<blocktree>rabryn: very often I build by own usb live and this will save plenty of time.. from some reason apt-cacher does not work with my live helper
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23:45<cmo>The problems with Debian 5.0, as I recall, were kernels with/without proper udev support - one kernel worked with my USB modem, the other didn't release the lock file upon user hanging up the phone line; one kernel would permit auto-mounting of USB sticks but not the other. So, I went to, got a vanilla kernel and compiled my own. Also, there was the problem that the system had been built upon one gcc but sent out with ano
23:45<cmo>ther version. Thus, when compiling nVidia kernel modules there was the need to force it to compile to the system-built gcc otherwise the module wouldn't build. IMO, Debian sent Lenny out the door early. Have these problms been fixed?
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23:47<rabryn>blocktree: yeah, i've created distributions for an embedded devices using debian a custom debian repository... works well!
23:49<blocktree>rabryn: are you a debian developer?
23:59<blocktree>rabryn: thanks dude...I've got to go..!
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