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01:54<craig>Hello, I am having the same issue that someone in this IRC helped me with last time. I am using Lenny 64 with ntpd running. My system clock is moving faster than it should. My hardware clock seems to be correct though.
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01:55<craig>i followed what the instructions said to do in the adjmex man file...about running hwclock --set for a couple of days with ntpd off. Can anyone take a stab at what the issue could be?
01:56<craig>adjtimex **
01:57<craig>and previously the issue was that my system tick value was off. Can anyone point me in the right direction?
01:58<dondelelcaro>11/away
01:59<dondelelcaro>craig: what does adjtimex -p; output?
01:59<dondelelcaro>craig: you should only need to adjust the tick with adjtimex once, then everything should stay reasonable sane assuming you keep ntp running and save the time adjustment settings
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02:00<craig>mode: 0 offset: 0 frequency: 31771000 maxerror: 711516 esterror: 16 status: 64time_constant: 4 precision: 1 tolerance: 32768000 tick: 9087 raw time: 1289804247s 73471us = 1289804247.073471 return value = 5
02:01<dondelelcaro>craig: your clock is about 200 seconds slow.
02:01<craig>since last time i got help with the issue
02:01<craig>i had only rebooted the system.
02:03<craig>when the system came up I verified ntpd was running, but the system already had acquired a bad time value
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02:03<dondelelcaro>craig: was the clock working until you rebooted it?
02:03<craig>yes
02:04<dondelelcaro>craig: ok. set the clock properly using ntpd, then rerun adjtimexconfig
02:06<dondelelcaro>craig: then rerun /etc/init.d/adjtimex start; and check that the values match what is present in /etc/default/adjtimex
02:06<dondelelcaro>craig: then start ntpd
02:06<craig>when I use ntpdate-debian it says: 15 Nov 02:02:59 ntpdate[7130]: the NTP socket is in use, exiting
02:06<craig>is that the apropriate command to force time update?
02:06<dondelelcaro>craig: stop ntpd
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02:07<dondelelcaro>craig: you cannot run adjtimex while ntp is running
02:07<dondelelcaro>craig: and while you're at it, delete /etc/adjtimex
02:08<craig>ok the ntpd is stoped. Do i need to manually change system time or set from hwclock?
02:08<dondelelcaro>craig: no, you need to set it using ntpd
02:08<dondelelcaro>ntpd -g -q -n
02:09<dondelelcaro>then show the output of date +%s
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02:09<craig>ok done : 1289804969
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02:10<dondelelcaro>craig: it'd be better if you ran /exec -out date +%s; in your irc client (or similar
02:10<dondelelcaro>1289805048
02:11<dondelelcaro>because it's looking to me like your clock is out by about 20 seconds already, which is insane
02:11<craig>oh
02:11<dondelelcaro>if it didn't take you 20 seconds to paste the output, we'll need to reset adjtimex to sane values first
02:12<craig>it keeps saying unknown commad
02:12<dondelelcaro>well, your irc client sucks. wouldn't be the first time
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02:13<craig>Im still a bit new to irc
02:13<dondelelcaro>anyway, now run adjtimexconfig
02:13<craig>is xchat better?
02:13<dondelelcaro>dunno; irssi is the best
02:13<dondelelcaro>but not important
02:13<dondelelcaro>craig: this machine is a real physical machine, right?
02:13<craig>yes
02:14<craig>but the kernel does have the oracle Vitrual Box module loaded i believe if that impacts anything
02:14<dondelelcaro>huh?
02:16<craig>craigdesktop:/home/craig# lsmod|grep 'vbox'
02:16<craig>vboxnetadp 5840 0
02:16<craig>vboxnetflt 15376 0
02:16<craig>vboxdrv 1784300 2 vboxnetadp,vboxnetflt
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02:17<craig>sorry n00b to IRC
02:17<dondelelcaro>anyway, that shouldn't really cause a problem, assuming that we're actually running on the real hardware, and not in a virtualbox
02:18<craig>yes this OS is on real hardware
02:18<dondelelcaro>ok; ajtimexconfig; should have finished now
02:18<craig>Comparing clocks (this will take 70 sec)...done. Adjusting system time by -120.01 sec/day to agree with CMOS clock...done.
02:19<dondelelcaro>ok. run /etc/init.d/adjtimex start;
02:19<dondelelcaro>then start up ntpd
02:19<craig>ok done
02:20<dondelelcaro>craig: now in theory your clock should stay in reasonable shape
02:20<craig>does sdjtimex daemon need to stay running?
02:20<craig>adjtimex*
02:20<dondelelcaro>craig: no. It shouldn't be running at all
02:20<dondelelcaro>craig: the init script only sets the initial values for adjtimex; it doesn't start a daemon
02:21<craig>oh sorry i assumed wrong
02:21<dondelelcaro>(specifically, it sets the frequency and the tick values so that your system clock is reasonably close to wall clock time)
02:21<dondelelcaro>which are then tweaked further by ntpd to keep the clocks in sync
02:22<dondelelcaro>craig: if they get out of whack again, you'll need to show us the output of ntpq -c peers;
02:22<craig>ok
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02:23<craig>I sincerely apreciate you assistance again.
02:23<dondelelcaro>craig: normally speaking, you should have about four clocks running there, and you should be fairly close to their values
02:23<dondelelcaro>craig: no problem
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02:26<mjt>where are the debian squeeze beta installer cd images?
02:26<dondelelcaro>!d-i
02:26<dpkg>5.0 lenny is now the "stable" Debian release (Feb 14, 2009). See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ . If you want to make custom install CDs, start with d-i. IRC: #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net. See also <errata>, <g-i>.
02:26<mjt>thanks
02:27<dondelelcaro>np
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02:36<mjt>hm. I've a local approx mirror of 99% of the packages the netinsta needs. Is there a way to use that?
02:36<mjt>netinst*
02:36<dondelelcaro>mjt: yes; you can specify the mirror on the command line, or iirc, specify it in expert mode
02:37<dondelelcaro>though it better be a real mirror, or it won't work
02:37<mjt>real?
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02:37<mjt>approx looks like a regular (real?) mirror. It acts as a caching proxy
02:37<dondelelcaro>that's fine then
02:38<mjt>hm. "No installable kernel was found in the defined APT sources. Ok to go without kernel?" - that's lovely... ;)
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02:43<mjt>don't see a way to specify local mirror even in expert mode, so far. Will search again...
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02:46<mjt>oh. it's there.
02:48<mjt>no need to go to expert mode for that, it's on the top of the countries list ;)
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02:52<mjt>heh. About 10 times faster now :)
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02:56<sallesaoo>hi, I have a problem being stuck in slim dm (also tried reinstalling and changing to xdm) but my keyboard seem to loose contact with the world when X starts. Does anyone here have a clue what might be the problem?
02:57<sallesaoo>I am not using xorg.conf
02:58<jm_>sallesao: someone else mentioned the same thing last week, i.e. a working setup loads evdev driver for him, non-working does not
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03:01<sallesaoo>jm_: hmmm, what does that mean, is the driver broke?
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03:05<jm_>sallesaoo: I don't know, perhaps that auto-config is not working as it should
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03:16<zyxware>dpkg testing
03:16<dpkg>Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <squeeze>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting and ask me about <testing faq> <lenny->squeeze> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging to use testing and should be prepared for a bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical or on servers.
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03:24<zyxware>debian 7
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04:18<devnullcat>Hello, I reported what I think is a serious bug, where resume/suspend fails in gnome when "lock screen while screensaver is active" is switched on in gnome-screensaver. I've reproduced it on all my laptops and desktops and I think it's bad enough to affect a large proportion of squeeze users (all gnome users with that feature turned on) so I am pretty keen that it's fixed for squeeze, but I don't believe it's being paid attention - wh
04:18<devnullcat>Should I just be more patient ;)
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04:48<davi_>linux-image-2.6.36-trunk-amd64: Depends: linux-base (>= 2.6.36-1~experimental.1) but 2.6.32-27 is installed.
04:48<davi_> aptitude only offer me to remove the linux-image-2.6.36-trunk-amd64 package.
04:48<davi_>HowTo 'pin' this package so that I can update full-upgrade the rest of my squeeze installation?
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05:41<bluenemo>hi guys, i have a little problem: /etc/init.d/syslog-ng start -> Starting system logging: syslog-ngsyntax error at 175. Line 175 in /etc/syslog-ng/syslog-ng.conf shows: level(info,notice,warn) i dont get whats wrong with that?
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05:43<bluenemo>has anyone a clue?
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06:01<crazyb0y>bluenemo: paste what do you have on line 175 in /etc/syslog-ng/syslog-ng.conf
06:01<bluenemo>the whole block:
06:02<bluenemo>filter f_messages { not (facility(news) or filter(f_iptables)) or filter(f_mailwarn); };
06:02<bluenemo> level(info,notice,warn); #this is line 175
06:02<crazyb0y>please use pastebin
06:02<bluenemo> and not facility(auth,authpriv,cron,daemon,mail,news);
06:02<bluenemo>oh ok sorry
06:02<bluenemo>that was it
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06:08<crazyb0y>bluenemo: use this one --> http://paste.debian.net/99878/
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06:12<bluenemo>Starting system logging: syslog-ng. :D thank you so much!! can you tell me why it stopped working just like that? i didnt change the config, was there really a syntax error?
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07:10<grimnar>is there any way to find out what kind of ram modules I have installed, other then turning off the power and have a look?
07:10<grimnar>Im going to upgrade with more ram..
07:10<gsimmons>dpkg: tell grimnar -about myram
07:10<grimnar>thanks alot
07:10<jm_>heh
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07:16<yukewei>hi someone?
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07:30<jklo>hello, i got this error ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host while i'm trying to connect to my computer via ssh
07:30<jklo>does anyone know how can i remove this identification
07:31<rpetre>jklo: check your tcp wrappers settings (hosts.deny and hosts.allow)
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07:33<jklo>rpetre: i don't have /etc/hosts.allow and /etc/hosts.deny
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07:35<rpetre>jklo: then check your auth.log for some reason why sshd denied you (i have only seen that message in relation to tcpwrappers, sorry that it didn't apply to you)
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07:48<fwtoha>Доброго времени суток всем !!!
07:48<root__>hi
07:49<jm_>!ru
07:49<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net. or use English here.
07:49<jklo>fwtoha: privet
07:49<fwtoha>ок
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08:13<mdimitr>hi. Yesterday I installed Squeeze for the first time. Anyone has experience with bluetooth handsets, because I have only those? They are find successfully by the bluetuth service, but I can't manage to forward the sound to them? Thanks!
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08:25<fwtoha>Hello! Pomogide please deal with installing Nvidia drivers!
08:25<amphi>!nvidia
08:25<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers . If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net).
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08:30<fwtoha>fly by Google clambered on the wiki was not that does not help! Therefore, I ask for help from specialists in the online
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08:32<jm_>fwtoha: how exactly does it not help?
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08:33<jm_>keep in mind that the drivers in lenny are old so they don't support newer cards
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08:36<fwtoha>Well does not work! Right now the situation is like the driver got up at startup logo shows, the resolution dropped to 1024 and what further can not understand! ((
08:37<jm_>check your X logfile -- /var/log/Xorg.0.log
08:39<jm_>fwtoha: put all you stuff on a pastebin
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08:43<fwtoha>how to do it pastebin
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08:45<fwtoha>I can not read english to translate using by Google if something goes wrong, then I'm sorry
08:45<jm_>!pastebin
08:45<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <paste2pastebin.pl>, <wgetpaste>.
08:46<jm_>i'll have to go soon, so if nobody else can help you join again tomorrow, but much earlier
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08:48<fwtoha>Thank you!
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08:51<fwtoha>here http://paste.debian.net/99883/
08:51<jm_>also paste your logfile and remember the URL-s for tomorrow
08:51<themill>fwtoha: there is also #debian-russian on irc.freenode.net
08:51<jm_>I have to go now
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08:53<Gateway`>hello everybody, I would like to turn off a machine in my local network without using ssh
08:53<Gateway`>is there any command to turn it off, please :)
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08:53<weasel>"shutdown -h now <reason>"?
08:54<koollman>Gateway`: do you have another access besides ssh ?
08:54<Gateway`>weasel, but this command will turn the local machine where I am connected
08:54<weasel>Gateway`: log into the machine you want to shutdown first.
08:55<Gateway`>koollman, it's on the local network, I can access to it physically
08:55<koollman>Gateway`: walk to it, pull the plug ? :)
08:55<Gateway`>but I would like to shut it down using a command
08:55<koollman>Gateway`: why 'without ssh' ?
08:55<weasel>Gateway`: log in. run the command?
08:56<themill>telnet!
08:56<weasel>or switch to a vc, press ctrl+alt+del and wait for the right moment
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08:56<Gateway`>I guess there is no command to shutdown a machine
08:56<Gateway`>in the local network
08:56<Gateway`>even with root
08:56<Gateway`>:s
08:57<koollman>I guess you aren't trying to solve the right problem
08:57<Gateway`>net nmap ...
08:58<themill>Gateway`: it might help us if we knew why ssh was out of the question.
08:58<Gateway`>themill, because I don't want to install it at all
08:59<themill>clearly reinventing the wheel would be much better
08:59<koollman>Gateway`: there must be a dozen of ways. but I don't understand the need behind it, which means it's hard to give correct advice. ssh exists for a lot of good reasons
09:00<weasel>Gateway`: go to the machine.,
09:00<weasel>Gateway`: sid down in front of it
09:00<themill>you could install apache and php and then write shutdown.php... that would avoid you having to install ssh
09:00<weasel>s/sid/sit/
09:00<weasel>Gateway`: log on
09:00<weasel>Gateway`: become root
09:00<weasel>Gateway`: type shutdown -d now
09:00<weasel>it's not hard.
09:01<rpetre>-d?
09:01<koollman>you could write a tiny inetd script doing the shutdow, use telnet, rsh, do something based on netcat, write an uucp script... but if I have a box on my lan, there's ssh on it. that's all :)
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09:03<themill>,info sysrqd
09:03<judd>Package sysrqd (admin, optional) in lenny/i386: small daemon intended to manage Linux SysRq over network. Version: 9-2; Size: 7.5k; Installed: 48k
09:03*themill hides
09:03<Gateway`>merci pour votre aide
09:03<Gateway`>oups sorry
09:03<koollman>themill: that's ... ugly :)
09:03<Gateway`>thanks for your help... I'm gonna walk a km along to shut it down
09:04<themill>Gateway`: install ssh while you're there.
09:04<Gateway`>themill, of course I will
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09:04<Gateway`>and I'm gonna change iptables rules
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09:04<Gateway`>in order to let me access via ssh
09:05<irene>no ableis tonterias
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09:25<bodai>hi there.how is it possible to create an msdos partion on floppy with parted?i googled a lot without any succes
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09:27<dantona>Is this channel for help users/
09:27<dantona>?
09:27<bremner>dantona: yes
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09:27<Vivelavidawappa>Hi
09:27<dantona>Can you help me?
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09:28<dantona>Bremner...
09:28<themill>!ask
09:28<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
09:28<dantona>I cant, anyway, install a gnome theme...
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09:29<dantona>It says: not a valid theme.
09:29<bremner>dantona: are you installing a debian package?
09:29<dantona>No, a theme dowloaded from art.gnome.org
09:30<dantona>*not, a theme...
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09:30<dantona>Sorry about my "english", i'm from Brasil and really i dont speak it...
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09:31<Vivelavidawappa>Hola
09:31<bremner>!tell dantona -about br
09:31<bremner>!gnome
09:31<dpkg>GNOME is a Desktop Environment ("DE", so are <KDE> and <XFCE>) based on GTK+. To get or delete GNOME, ask me about <install gnome> or <remove gnome> respectively. See also <gnome status>. http:/wiki.debian.org/Gnome http://www.gnome.org/ #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org. GNOME-related IRC channels: http://live.gnome.org/GnomeIrcChannels
09:31<bremner>dantona: if no-one helps here, try #gnome on irc.gnome.org
09:31<dantona>Ok.
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09:31<dantona>Thanks!
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09:32<Vivelavidawappa>Can I help me?
09:32<bremner>!tell Vivelavidawappa -about ask
09:33<dantona>Yes, you can help yourself.
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09:41<grummund>Hi, anyone know what is user lp doing with 98.7% cpu, and calling pnm2ppa? - http://pastebin.com/wQ0gEXYn
09:41<grummund>there are no print jobs in progress (for some days in fact)
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09:44<grummund>CUPS web interface says no active jobs
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09:45<bluenemo__>try top and look what is the process that is consuming most resources
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09:48<grummund>it is 'gs', as also shown in the pastebin
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09:49<grummund>gs -sstdout=%stderr -dNOPAUSE -dPARANOIDSAFER -dBATCH -r600 -sDEVICE=pnmraw -sOutputFile=%stdout -_
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10:13<jms>Afternoon all. So I've accidentally dpkg -r something so it's now pending removal. How do I undo a pending removal ? Beats me.
10:15<grummund>how do you know it is pending?
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10:15<jms>Anything else I do complains that there are dependencies on it specifically gcc-base which clearly isn't an optional package
10:16<jms>so I just want to make it happy but despite Googling lots I can't find the answer]
10:16<bremner>jms: reinstall it?
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10:16<bremner>apt-get install -f
10:17<jms>yes it could be that simple but apt says gcc-4.4-base is already the newest version
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10:18<grummund>jms: i don't think irt's pending... i believe you removed it
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10:19<jms>ah yes it does all seem to be happy now and I'm not sure what point this changed. Thank you for your help
10:19<bremner>!next
10:19<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building.
10:19<zxd>is it possible to configure a process to be shutdown last when doing poweroff
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10:33<KAMENI>ola
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10:35<KAMENI>ol<<<<<<<<<<<<<
10:35<KAMENI>ollaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
10:35<KAMENI>aalqien em puede desir de que coño ba esto
10:35<f0rk>!es
10:35<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
10:35<raul>Hi there, I am looking for an easy way to limit user session on a linux computer, I have been looking arround but I would like to know if anyone of youhave experience with timeout por pam
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10:38<KAMENI>con que eto es de empollones no
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10:39<darrell>does anyone know about ispcp or about web server configurations?
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10:40<KAMENI>ke coño pasa aqi joe qe eto no es como el tuenti
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10:40<darrell>if anyone could help it would be graet
10:40<darrell>great
10:41<bremner>!tell KAMENI -about es-social
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11:03<raul>Hi again I am looking for an easy way to limit user session on a linux computer, I have been looking arround but I would like to know if anyone of youhave experience
11:03<raul> with timeout por pam
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11:12<raul>so ... no helps today...
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11:22<mcgruber>HI, did the IP of volatile change?
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11:24<frzaso>adelante charizar
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11:25<juanluis_>adelante darkrai
11:25<frzaso>lanzallamas
11:25<juanluis_>eskiba y brecha negra
11:25<frzaso>desaparece
11:26<juanluis_>saca a charizar
11:26<themill>!es-soical juanluis_ frzaso
11:26<juanluis_>y duermele
11:26<themill>!es-social juanluis_ frzaso
11:26<dpkg>juanluis_ frzaso: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
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11:26<frzaso>rurujrturjruu
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11:27<mcgruber>Sounds like instructions to a botnet. go, sleep, hide, etc.
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11:30<mcgruber>ok, in the volatile mail list there's talk about changing the name of the repo, not official yet.
11:32<hostname>yeah, they are planning on changing volatile to squeeze-updates
11:32<hostname>see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2010/10/msg00002.html
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11:33<@Ganneff>no. not plan. did change. its squeeze-volatile on "normal" mirrors now
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11:37<mcgruber>Ganneff: ok so it is not volatile.debian.org but ftp.debian.org squeeze-volatile ?
11:37<themill>Ganneff: I presume that change will be on d-d-a at some stage?
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11:38<themill>or rather d-announce, since it's much wider than just developers
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11:39<mcgruber>no mention yet in http://www.debian.org/volatile/
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11:41<mcgruber>nothing official yet: "Just for the record, the squeeze-volatile archive is available for a few weeks now on the master ftp.debian.org"
11:41<mcgruber>I wont touch my sources then.
11:42<mcgruber>exit
11:42<mcgruber>bye
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11:51<lfaraone>I have a mbox of messages I want to send. How can I have exim4 send the contents of the mbox?
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11:55<bremner>use formail (from the procmail package) ?
11:56<bremner>or perl.
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12:01<jhutchins2>So what of lenny-volatile?
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12:01<Nazcafan>hello
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12:02<Nazcafan>where may I found recent kernels packages?
12:02<Nazcafan>>= 2.6.34
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12:02<Nazcafan>and install them on a squeeze machine
12:02<lfaraone>bremner: mk
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12:04<themill>Nazcafan: /msg dpkg experimental
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12:05<OsirisX>Nazcafan: 2.6.36 in experimental - I'm using it now
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12:05<Nazcafan>OsirisX, is it still possible to have both 2.6.32 and 2.6.36 installed?
12:06<pinko91>i want to create a deb file from a tar.gz. i need help ! debuild (dpkg-shlibpeds) do not archive a needed file. it told me "pam_abl.so contains an unresolvable reference to symbol pam_get_item: it's probably a plugin."
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12:07<Nazcafan>OsirisX, I have heard of incompatibilities between the firmware packages
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12:07<bremner>Nazcafan: running things from experimental always has some risk
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12:08<Nazcafan>bremner, I understand
12:08<OsirisX>Nazcafan, I am running it with Ath5k and Intel microcode firmware and it works fine
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12:09<OsirisX>Nazcafan: but I guess it depends on the firmware
12:10<Nazcafan>OsirisX, the only incognita is an nvidia card
12:10<Nazcafan>OsirisX, it's a pretty old one, but I heard that nouveau is moving pretty fast
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12:10<pinko91>is this the right place to ask help for deb building ?
12:10<OsirisX>Nazcafan: I am running firmware-linux-free version 2.6.36-1~experimenta.1 from experiementa
12:11<OsirisX>and it also works with my backup 2.6.32 kernel
12:11<bremner>pinko91: you might get more help on #debian-mentors, particularly if you are attempting to package something for the Debian archive
12:11<pinko91>bremner: thanks a lot !
12:12<OsirisX>Nazcafan: I believe my ancient ATI Radeon also loads firmware - and that works too
12:12<OsirisX>but I can't vouch for Nvidia firmware
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12:12<Nazcafan>OsirisX, well let's look it on the bright side, worst case scenario, I just fuck up pretty much everything ;-)
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12:13<bremner>backups are good
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12:13<OsirisX>Nazcafan: if I remember correctly, depending on how old your nvidia card is you may not be able to run nouveau
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12:13<OsirisX>Nazcafan: you won't fuck anything up, make sure you have a 2.6.32 stable kernel in your grub boot menu
12:14<OsirisX>so if 2.6.36 doesn't work, reboot into the stable kernel
12:14<OsirisX>(or whatever stable kernel you are using now)
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12:16<Nazcafan>OsirisX, I'll do that, thanks
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12:17<Nazcafan>OsirisX, my nvidia card is pretty old, and it seems to work with the testing nouveau
12:17<Nazcafan>at least I didn't hear complains from the users
12:19<doubledutch>...slightly offtopic: is a .rar file considered a binary file?
12:19<f0rk>yes
12:20<jhutchins2>Nazcafan: So why are you looking for a newer kernel?
12:20<Nazcafan>jhutchins, I have an issue with a Alu Mac Keyboard that has been solved in 2.6.34
12:20<Nazcafan>jhujhiti, basically 2 keys are inverted
12:21<Nazcafan>but only in intl versions of the keyboard wich have the same exact identifier as the US one
12:21<Nazcafan>so a patch has added in 2.6.34 an option to the apple_hid driver
12:21<jhutchins2>Nazcafan: Interesting, I thought keyboard mapping was external to the kernel.
12:21<Nazcafan>so we can choose the version
12:22<jhutchins2>Ah, applehid.
12:22<jhutchins2>Nazcafan: Any chance that patch has been backported to an earlier (more stable) Debian kernel?
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12:23<Nazcafan>jhutchins2, if you can help me verify that, it would be *really* cool
12:23<jhutchins2>Check the release notes.
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12:23<jhutchins2>However, I think you said you were running squeeze, which is .32, and you had the problem, qed it's not in .32
12:23<jhutchins2>,kernels
12:23<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.36-trunk-686 (2.6.36-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-27); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-27); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-26~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-25lenny1); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2)
12:24<Nazcafan>jhutchins2, I haven't tried to pass the option to the kernel module yet
12:24<Nazcafan>so it might work
12:24<jhutchins2>I suppose you could manually backport the module too.
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12:25<junior>ola
12:26<Nazcafan>jhutchins2, I am trying to locate the patch
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12:26<Nazcafan>but I suck at it
12:26<OsirisX>Nazcafan is nvidia card 4xxx series or oldeR?
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12:26<Nazcafan>don't remember,
12:27<Nazcafan>OsirisX, machine was bought in 2001
12:27<jhutchins2>Hm, failing to extract the changelog...
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12:28<OsirisX>Nazcafan: that should be in a museum along side ENIAC and Babbages calculator
12:28<OsirisX>LOL
12:28<Nazcafan>jhutchins2, the guy who patched was Stefan Glasenhardt
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12:29<jhutchins2>Nazcafan: nothing about apple_hid in the .26-2 changelog.
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12:30<jacks_lt>my brother has a new laptop from his work, no admin rights, win only.... what to do?
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12:30<Nazcafan>jhutchins2, I am using squeeze, not lenny, but nevermind, I missread the patch and it seems to solve a different issue
12:31<jhutchins2>jacks_lt: Accept the fact that it's owned by his employer and use it only for work related tasks.
12:31<jhutchins2>Nazcafan: Yeah, I thought keyboard mapping would be external.
12:31<jacks_lt>he wants to have to possibility to use linux on it
12:31<jhutchins2>Nazcafan: That you should be something you can fix, it's user configurable.
12:32<doubledutch>f0rk; thanks!
12:32<Nazcafan>jhutchins2, my other options for now are xmodmap, but I am not sure how to that for the console
12:32<jhutchins2>jacks_lt: He should ask his employer's IT department for permission then. We don't want to get him fired for using unauthorized software on company property.l
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12:32<jhutchins2>jacks_lt: He could use a live CD or USB, but again, he should not be trying to do something they don't want him to do.
12:33<jhutchins2>jacks_lt: I've had to provide evidence for people being fired, it's no fun.
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12:33<jacks_lt>jhutchins2: I think he can't access BIOS
12:33<Nazcafan>jhutchins2, also, I don't like the idea of inverting the keys no matter which keyboard is used
12:34<jhutchins2>Nazcafan: I've messed with it in the past, you will see messages about loading the keyboard map for the console during boot, that can be modified but I don't remember the details (which may have changed). If you modify it on the console level it may persist in X, or you may need xmodmap.
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12:37<Nazcafan>jhutchins, here's the patch http://launchpadlibrarian.net/27940746/hid-apple_iso_layout.patch
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12:38<Nazcafan>can you check whether it has been included in squeeze?
12:39<Nazcafan>actually it seems to do the work
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12:40<jhutchins2>Nazcafan: I can't verify that - it's old enough that it could have been included, but I don't know how to check. Like I said, it's not in the changelog.
12:40<Nazcafan>jhutchins, didn't you test the 26-2 changelog?
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12:42<Nazcafan>jhutchins2, I have to go, I'll be looking for that later on, thank you anyway for your help
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13:19<noesc>I just upgraded to squeeze from lenny, and found by chance that: '# ls -l /var/spool/mail/mail -> ../mail'. Do someone here have _any_ clue what could have done this? I never even used the mail-spool :/
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13:21<OsirisX>nosec: I don't understand what the issue is? - your mail is symlinked to the store in /var/spool/mail this is normal
13:21<retrospectacus>I think it is supposed to be /var/spool/mail -> ../mail but what is the problem?
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13:23<jhutchins2>noesc: It's the same as it is on lenny.
13:24<retrospectacus>noesc: perhaps you are wondering:
13:24<retrospectacus>!why an mta
13:24<dpkg>An MTA should be on most Unix(ish) systems to provide a way for various services to deliver asynchronous system or error messages. This includes things like cron and at (to give you the output of jobs) and various daemons (e.g. the init script of MySQL). The MTA does not have to listen to network ports so spam and security issues are largely irrelevant. See also <nullmailer>.
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13:25<OsirisX>all: I don't even have the symlink
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13:25<noesc>retrospectacus: That I knew before. But I wonder why there is a symlink to ../mail
13:25<noesc>and if I could delete it as it seems to do no good?
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13:26<retrospectacus>probably for some differing standards on where the mail is supposed to go
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13:27<jhutchins2>noesc: It's there for compatibility with programs that expect /var/mail and programs that expect /var/spool/mail
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13:29<noesc>jhutchins2: /var/mail <- not a symlink. /var/spool/mail <- not a symlink. /var/spool/mail/mail <- symlink to "../mail", i.e /var/spool/mail.
13:30<noesc>But anyhow, I guess I'll just leave it alone
13:30<retrospectacus>looks like something created /var/spool/mail and then something else did "ln -s /var/spool/mail ../mail"
13:30<noesc>yes, ofc.
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13:30<noesc>I wondered if someone knew why
13:30<noesc>or what
13:32<jhutchins2>noesc: It depends on what gets installed and in what order. I only have /var/mail and /var/spool/mail
13:32<jhutchins2>/v/s/m is a smlink
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13:33<retrospectacus>it does seem to be an error. I'd fix it
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13:34<jhutchins2>I would leave it alone, it's not an error, it's just a different mix.
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13:35<noesc>jhutchins2: I'm thinking of symlinking /v/s/m and /v/s/m/m to /v/m
13:35<jhutchins2>It's like all the different possible locations for iceweasel/firefox/mozilla plugins - some will be real, others symlinks, depending on what was installed when.
13:35<retrospectacus>but he has a symlink loop. You could cd to /var/spool/mail/mail/mail/mail/mail
13:35<noesc>yes, that was how I found it
13:35<noesc>it just went deeper and deeper ^_^
13:35<jhutchins2>noesc: If you don't know why it's the way it is, messing with it is likely to mess something up.
13:35<noesc>jhutchins2: But symlinking them both, should not brake anything
13:35<noesc>or?
13:36<retrospectacus>noesc: I agree with your solution
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13:36<noesc>anyone else that agrees or has some good reason not to? =)
13:37<jhutchins2>noesc: Is it broken?
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13:37<noesc>it's a weird loop, so yea?
13:38<jhutchins2>noesc: But does it work?
13:38<ompaul>noesc: stupid question, how did you get into this mess?
13:39<jhutchins2>ompaul: It's very common, it just depends on the mix and install order of programs that spool mail.
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13:39<jhutchins2>ompaul: Like I said, similar to the variety of locations for mozilla plugins.
13:40<ompaul>jhutchins2: ack
13:40<noesc>ompaul: I have _no_ idea. I've just installed lenny from net-install (without ANY selections), installed sshd, and dist-upgraded to squeeze
13:40<jhutchins2>noesc: I would suggest that unless you see that it is causing a problem, you leave it alone. "If it ain't broke, don't fix it".
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13:41<noesc>how would I know if it is broken until something happens. It "seems" broken atm =)
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13:47<jhutchins>noesc: There would probably be bugreports if such a problem existed. Lenny's pretty thoroughly tested.
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13:48<noesc>jhutchins: Yea I guess. It probably happend during upgrade
13:49<noesc>I dono. I'll try and we will see if the 'shit hits the fan'
13:49<jhutchins>noesc: As I said, it was probably there all along.
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13:49<jhutchins>noesc: I have seen numerous different configurations for the mail spool, I just don't worry about it.
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13:50<noesc>I'm curious now.. Maby I should do it all over just to see =)
13:50<kristianpaul>Is me or debian stable busines card iso s having problems to indentify right signature for an debian testing installation..
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13:58<kristianpaul>there is debian testing business card somewher??
13:59-!-mode/#debian [+l 457] by debhelper
14:01<ompaul>kristianpaul: that kind of thing only arrives in stable aiui as testing is regenerated weekly
14:01<ompaul>s/as/,/
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14:09<kristianpaul>ompaul: i just see in weekly build dvd and cd isos not net or even bussines ..
14:09<ompaul>kristianpaul: that would be correect
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14:10<kristianpaul>stable right...
14:10<[e0f]>kristianpaul: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/testing/current/i386/iso-cd/
14:10<ompaul>you can only get it in stable
14:11<[e0f]>this what you want?
14:11<kristianpaul>is funny i got businesscard for stable wich able fecth testing but refuses to trust in they keyring :-/
14:11<kristianpaul>ompaul: yes i remenber now
14:11*ompaul was looking for that
14:11<ompaul>kristianpaul: seems [e0f] proved me wrong
14:11<kristianpaul>[e0f]: yes !!!
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14:12<kristianpaul>indeed ompaul ;-)
14:12<ompaul>kristianpaul: daily beats weekly :)
14:12<kristianpaul>[e0f]: is this hdd image correct for that daily build http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/boot.img.gz ?
14:12<[e0f]>kristianpaul: or just use jigdo
14:12<kristianpaul>what is..
14:12<kristianpaul>hmm
14:13*kristianpaul talk with dpkg
14:13<[e0f]>yea
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14:13<kristianpaul>[e0f]: i dont have cdrom
14:13<[e0f]>the lates for hd
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14:15<OsirisX>I used to get daily summaries email to me by cron, but since I re-installed my squeeze-based system, I get nada! any ideas on how I can get this cron summary email working again?
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14:17<kristianpaul>[e0f]: current debian-installer is just gtk based?
14:17<[e0f]>kristianpaul: http://people.debian.org/~joeyh/d-i/images/daily/
14:17<[e0f]>nope
14:17<[e0f]>it contains cli-mode
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14:17<kristianpaul>but the hdd image i pointed seems just gtk, or just outdated?
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14:19<[e0f]>here is with and without gtk
14:19<[e0f]>as far as I understand
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14:19<kristianpaul>ok
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14:27<Silicium01>How can I decide if Lenny is the choise for me or Squeeze?
14:27<Silicium01>I just bought a Thinkpad T400 laptop
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14:32<cahoot>Silicium01: you can always update an lenny - never downgrade a squeeze
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14:38<kristianpaul>ja !
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14:38<kristianpaul>i love you germans ;-)
14:38<kristianpaul>after i discover my issue was choosing US debian repo
14:38<kristianpaul>ha !
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14:48<lostinfog>I've been making CDs for years with a script that calls wodim directly and then compares the md5sum of the original ISO and the CD. It works when I boot 2.6.26-2-amd64 and it makes coasters under 2.6.32-5-amd64. Does anyone have hints for debugging this?
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14:53<mjt>i burned several CDs on 2.6.32 (I rarely do that in last few years) - works good. But I never bothered to verify checksums
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14:55<jhutchins2>lostinfog: Does it eject the CD between burn & verify?
14:55<lostinfog>no
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14:56<jhutchins2>lostinfog: fwiw my system can't see the scsi scanner on .32, but works fine on .26.
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14:57<jhutchins2>Newer != always better
14:57<lostinfog>true
14:57<lostinfog>but going back to 2.6.26 will be a pain WRT nvidia
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14:58<mjt>um, how about reorting that problem and actually finding a solution instead of ranting uselessly? :(
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14:59<mjt>reporting*
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15:03<thaer>hi all!
15:03<thaer>? people alive in here?
15:04<Silicium01>Can someone direct me to a guide for installing non-free drivers for radeon hd 3400 on squeeze?
15:04<Silicium01>(nonfree radeon drivers are better performing than oss right?)
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15:05<thaer>is there a none free drivers?
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15:06<devil>Silicium01: depends on the card
15:06<ompaul>Silicium01: do this /msg dpkg ati it will give you information, better is a matter of opinion
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15:07<Silicium01>ompaul, I already messaged dpkg regarding radeon, bt I'm still a bit confused
15:07<mjt>probably not opinion but the actual usage
15:07<devil>Silicium01: http://wiki.x.org/wiki/RadeonFeature
15:07<Silicium01>for example, should I use the executable from ati site?
15:07<mjt>for example good 3d and esp. hw acceleration of video decoding and stuff like that - no OSS solution exists so far.
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15:08<Silicium01>mjt, so I better go with proprietary then
15:08<Silicium01>can this be done via non-free sources?
15:08<Silicium01>or do I download executable from ati site?
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15:10<Silicium01>how can I force squeeze to install 32 bit version?
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15:14<devil>Silicium01: if you have to use the proprietary driver, use fglrx from debian
15:14<Silicium01>ok
15:15<Silicium01>crap, it looks like my wireless adapter does not work out of the box in squeeze
15:15<devil>probably needs firmware
15:16<Silicium01>devil, how can I troubleshoot and fix this?
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15:17<devil>what chipset is that?
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15:19<devil>is it a usb device?
15:19<willemb>Hi. I am trying to set up a pxe server on a host on my home network. All the docs say that I need a dhcp server, and it need not be on the same host as tftpd, etc. So I just skipped all the dhcp stuff, since my netgear router already works pretty well as a dhcp server. Problem is, on trying a network boot, I am always presented with 'no boot filename received' . Seems I need to tell the dhcp server to forward requests to the pxe ma
15:19<willemb>Could I try the port redirect option in the firewall conf, and forward port 69?
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15:21<willemb>oh, wait. It seems the docs want a 'next server comment as well as a filename. the netgear's dhcp configuration does not have such an option. Am I out of luck?
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15:23<Foxe>I have a radeon 4800. running amd64 since fglrx is broken, how would I go about using radeonhd?
15:23<Silicium01>devil, it's a built in wireles adapter in a lenovo thinkpad t400
15:23<Silicium01>I know it's intel, not sure which exactly
15:23<devil>Foxe: i think radeonhd is depricated, went into radeon
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15:24<devil>Silicium01: 'lspci -nn | grep -i wireless' should tell you
15:25<Silicium01>devil, intel wireless 5100 AGN
15:25<Foxe>devil, kk, well if thats the case I guess is running radeon, but glxgears is only showing around 620fps. looking online, others are running 1000+
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15:27<devil>Silicium01: http://wiki.debian.org/iwlagn
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15:28<devil>Foxe: glxgears is not a reliable benchmark
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15:29<devil>Foxe: is firmware-linux-nonfree installed?
15:29<Foxe>devil, yeah
15:29<devil>Foxe: afaik thats about all you can do
15:29<devil>Foxe: what kernel?
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15:30<Torsten_W>and glxinfo | grep -i render sayes what?
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15:30<mbn>hi there... is there anyone here that can speak for the ftp-master?
15:30<Foxe>devil, 2.6.32-5-amd64
15:31<devil>mbn: yes, ftp-master aka Ganneff
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15:31<devil>Foxe: and what is broken in fglrx with that kernel?
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15:32<mbn>thanks :-)
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15:33<Foxe>devil, sec, looking up exact error. all I know is that apt-get install fglrx leads to it not install and breaking 3d. still looking
15:33<devil>Foxe: just installing fglrx wont cut it
15:33<Silicium01>devil, thanks for the link
15:34<mbn>Ganneff... moon (package for moonlight) ftbfs on amd64 and that will not change until a new version is packaged, but the new version will need to bundle mono. It would be cool to know if bundling mono with moon (as the other distros are doing) is acceptable or not, so the future of the moon package can be decided (either upgraded, and start shipping a bundle, or dropped, and stop having silverlight on debian)
15:35<devil>mbn: maybe #debian-devel is a better place to ask
15:35<mbn>Ganneff, more info at http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=595834 and http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=530251
15:35<@Ganneff>mono as in that language?
15:35<@Ganneff>no, thats not ok to bundle
15:36<mbn>I thought so :-) Can you please take some time to state so in #530251, so steps can be made regarding it?
15:36<mbn>(and thanks for your time)
15:36<Foxe>devil, I have all the packages installed from the tutorial. since I didnt want to deal with the hassle of removing it on a fresh isntall I just reinstalled debian. what else would I need?
15:36<Foxe>devil, re installed and got everything before commiting
15:36<devil>Foxe: what tutorial?
15:37<@Ganneff>mbn: feel free to forward it there
15:37<mbn>Ganneff I just hate having that issue "pending"... :-)
15:37<@Ganneff>mbn: actually the bug does list me saying exactly this already
15:37<devil>Foxe: i never owned an ATI card, so you might better answer Torsten_W's question from above and follow his advice
15:38<Silicium01>crap
15:38<Silicium01>I can not update apt
15:38<Silicium01>lock file is temporarily unavailable
15:38<mbn>OK, will do, and thanks. Yes it does, but since it's not on your ink, there's also the "is he sure?" ;-)
15:38<Silicium01>what am I doing wrong?
15:38<Foxe>opps, didnt see his response
15:38<devil>Silicium01: do you have 2 instances of dpkg running? like synaptics running while using apt?
15:39<@Ganneff>mbn: we are always sure that bundling stuff which is already in the archive is plain wrong.
15:39<Silicium01>devil, no
15:39<Silicium01>only terminal in gnome
15:39<Silicium01>I just modified sources list
15:39<Foxe>Torsten_W, I think I found the problem : direct rendering: Yes OpenGL renderer string: Software Rasterizer
15:39<@Ganneff>mbn: and if the stuff in the archive needs some patches to be useful the way to go is to patch it and MAYBE have it drop off one more binary package with the adjustements
15:39<devil>Silicium01: what is the exact error? 1 line is ok here, more lines to a pastebin please
15:39<Torsten_W>Foxe, doesn't matter, 2.6.32-5-amd64, xserver-xorg-video-radeon and libdrm are to old for your card
15:39<@Ganneff>mbn: not going to duplicate the whole damn source in every single other source package just because "its easier".
15:40<Silicium01>devil, E: Could not get lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open
15:40<Torsten_W>Foxe, so if you want 3d, you need fglrx, or an actual kernel, sorgg, mesa and libdrm
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15:40<@Ganneff>mbn: and if that means a package cant work in debian then it very much borders on non-free according to debian policy -> as it cant work in main.
15:40<Silicium01>devil, it ways (11: Resource temporarily unavailable)
15:41<Foxe>Torsten_W, Well... as far as I can see the only options are no flgrx or older kernel haha. let me attempt fglrx again
15:41<@Ganneff>mbn: bad for the users if it means removing old version, but i have absolutely no trouble with that, if need be. (just to reply to one of the laughable "threats" i could just read in the bug)
15:41<@Ganneff>mbn: there, feel free to quote, the position didnt change :)
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15:42<Silicium01>devil, one sec, I'll reconnect
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15:43<Foxe>Torsten_W, E: fglrx-modules-dkms: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 10
15:43<mbn>I don't know enough on the issue (heck, I don't want to get near .net again in my life), but as far as I can see unbundling would be a bigger nightmare and we would end up with an unmaintainable package, so... maybe it's better to drop it off, but let's let the maintainer decide about that :-)
15:43<Torsten_W>Foxe, then don't use dkms
15:43<Torsten_W>Foxe, use module-assistant
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15:44<mbn>thanks for your time.
15:44<Foxe>Torsten_W, sorry for being a little dumb, on flu meds haha. so would that just be "m-a a-i fglrx"?
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15:45<Torsten_W>Foxe, no, i mean purge fglrx-modules-dkms and then m-a a-i fglrx-source
15:45<Foxe>Torsten_W, rdgr, doing that now
15:46<devil>Torsten_W: those *-modules-dkms packages seem to be kinda crappy, i read a lot of problems in that regard
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15:46<Torsten_W>i would never use dkms ;)
15:46<kasia>hi, I'm using Debian Stable on a ppc (ibook). I cannot find wine...
15:47<kasia>does anyone can tell me if I can install wine?
15:47<Torsten_W>you can't
15:47<kasia>apt-cache search wine" but no results...
15:47<amphi>o.0
15:47<Torsten_W>have you ever seen a win for ppc?
15:47<amphi>kasia: how could that work?
15:47<kasia>MMM.... I understand... :)
15:48<jhutchins>Anybody ever hear of an emulator?
15:49<jhutchins>kasia: Hit the winehq site, see what they have to say.
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15:50<Foxe>Torsten_W, "m-a a-i fglrx-source" dies with an error, looks like /usr/src/modules/fglrx/kcl_ioctl.c:196: error: implicit declaration of function ‘compat_alloc_user_space
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15:51<Torsten_W>yeh, the known error
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15:52<Torsten_W>Foxe, try fglrx from testing, unstable, or experimental
15:52<jhutchins>kasia: Definitive answer: In 2002, the OpenDarwin people created the Darwine project to integrate the processor-emulator QEMU with a Mac OS-compatible version of Wine in order to run Win32 EXEs on PowerPC. The group succeeded in porting Wine from ELF to Mach-0. Integration of the x86 emulator was not worth the trouble of byteswapping (big endian <-> little endian), which was too much work.
15:52<Foxe>Torsten_W, kk
15:52<jhutchins>kasia: You're left with running a VM.
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16:50<space>hello
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16:51<noesc>How could I find out why x11-common got installed? (I do not have any graphical server)
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16:52<devil>noesc: apt-cache rdepends x11-common might shed a light
16:52<noesc>I did that, but did not understand the output
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16:53<devil>reverse depends
16:53<jhutchins2>noesc: aptitude why x11-common might be useful.
16:53<noesc>jhutchins2: Huh?
16:53<jhutchins2>Mine says it's because of twm.
16:54<noesc>I don't have twm
16:54<noesc>devil: with rdepends, those marked with '|', are those installed?
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17:00<noesc>anyone care to explain the output from rdepends? To be precise, the meaning of '|' in front of dependencies
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17:02<jhutchins2>noesc: Sorry, I don't have the manpage for it.
17:03<noesc>I read it, did not find anything that explained it.. Or I missed it
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17:03<jhutchins2>noesc: I see that it doesn't explain the format. Try aptitude why
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17:05<noesc>jhutchins2: Found it! Thanks!
17:06<noesc>did not know about aptitude why
17:07<noesc>But I would still want to know what the pipe-symbol means =)
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17:14<bst>noesc: '|' = OR -> pkg-xyz depends x11-common | xserver-common
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17:20<noesc>I'm not totally sure what you mean. I'm talking about this: http://pastebin.com/HwcQgCDP
17:21<noesc>That's the output from 'apt-cache rdepends x11-common' with alot of lines snipped out
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17:22<bst>noesc: aptitude show vnc4server and view depends
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17:25<f0rk>hello
17:26<emir86>how are you doing
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18:16<bst>noesc: view chapter 7.1 http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-relationships.html
18:16<Silicium01>Can someone direct me to instructions to installing flash nonfree on squeeze?
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18:21<cozminsky>Silicium01, I think the latest flashplugin-nonfree works just fine on i386 and amd64
18:21<Silicium01>cozminsky, ok, thanks
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18:22<cozminsky>Silicium01, presumably it will be removed once squeeze is released
18:22<cozminsky>and put into volatile/backports
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18:26<Silicium01>Wait, so what will happen to my package?
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18:29<noesc>bst: Ooh I see! Thank you!
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18:29<bst>noesc: ok
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18:36<dupondje>Somebody knows the best way to sync calendar/tasks, contacts & email on a windows mobile device with a debian server ? For mail I can configure IMAP connection, but calendar & contacts are bit harder
18:37<nevyn>so back in the days when I had a windows mobile I uses synce for this.
18:38<dupondje>I know there is synce, but thats a client software
18:38<dupondje>would like to sync it over the data connection on my mobile :)
18:38<nevyn>oh...
18:38<nevyn>so sync over the internets?
18:39<dupondje>yepz
18:40<nevyn>ok so there's multisync which I think can use a xml-rpcish transport thing?
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18:41<nevyn>and multisync migrated to opensync
18:41<k-man>i'm trying to get distcc working in squeeze, but i get this error: /usr/bin/python: can't open file '/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.5/include_server/include_server.py': [Errno 2] No such file or directory
18:42<k-man>i think distcc-pump is referencing the include_server.py file from the wrong place
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18:42<k-man>locate finds the file here: /usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/include_server/include_server.py
18:42<k-man>in 2.6 rather than 2.5
18:42<dupondje>nevyn: there is a cool thing with z-push, but its still to buggy :( Its a PHP implementation of the ActiveSync protocol
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18:44*nevyn now cheats and gives all his data to google.
18:44<dupondje>héhé
18:44<dupondje>I could do that also
18:44<dupondje>but I refuse ;)
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18:46<bremner>dupondje: can your device speak syncml?
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18:47<dupondje>bremner: there are SyncML plugins ... so should be possible
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18:48<bremner>funambol has a server, not currently in Debian, and syncevolution is available in squeeze/sid. Neither is too easy to get set up to sync to your own server, but if you are motivated...
18:48<john>is there a known release date for wheezy ?
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18:49<bremner>are you trolling us?
18:49<john>who ?
18:49<dupondje>funambol seems cool indeed. To bad there is no package yet
18:49<dupondje>synceevolution can act as a server ?!
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19:03<bremner>yes, in recent versions
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19:04<bremner>there is a wiki page on syncevolution.org
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19:12<dupondje>virtual server installing ^^
19:13<dupondje>lets see how funambol works
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19:18<bja>Where do i find the debian menu on the filesystem?
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19:31<bst>bja: view /etc/xdg/menus and dpkg --listfiles menu or menu-xdg
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19:34<bja>bst: thx
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19:46<groulder>can anyone tell me why when i run dig +trace
19:46<groulder>nothing is returned
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20:05<mercutio22>is it possible to start transmission bit torrent client via ssh? I want to access the web interface but forgot to start transmission at home.
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20:09<surfin>someone familliar whit installing etch on a ch3snas?
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20:14<surfin>I'm having trouble with the apt-get update because the apt-get leads to the wrong (outdated) adress, where/how can I change this?
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20:23<surfin>whois surfin
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20:36<dominick>hi! After Installing debian, I used to do a "modprobe -r psmouse; modprobe psmouse proto=imps" to get my mouse working correctly. However, After I reinstalled squeeze after doiing some major partition changes, "modprobe psmouse proto=imps" says "FATAL: Error inserting psmouse (/lib/modules/2.6.32-5-686/kernel/drivers/input/mouse/psmouse.ko): Invalid Argument" How can i fix this?
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20:37<Corujitu>ola.. boa noite.... alguem do Brasil por ai?
20:37<Corujitu>i need help
20:37<surfin>hi
20:37<retrospectacus>!br
20:37<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
20:38<surfin>me 2, what help do you need?
20:38<surfin>I need help..:P
20:39<retrospectacus>there are lots of people here waiting for you to ask your question...
20:39<Corujitu>my motherboard will not recognize any of the devices installed in PCI slots.
20:39<noesc>dominick: maby squeeze recognizes it as something else then a ps2 mouse? (I'm guessing that PSmouse stands for ps2)
20:39<surfin>ok, sorry..:P
20:40<surfin>im installing etch on my ch3snas but the apt-get points to the wrong path
20:40<dominick>noesc, no. It's a module for generic synaptic touchpad!
20:40<surfin>or site..
20:40<bremner>surfin: why are you installing etch?
20:41<surfin>what else goes on a ch3s nas?
20:41<surfin>(and has a sort of tutorial..)
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20:41<bremner>I don't know what that is, but etch is not supported anymore
20:41<surfin>I know, a conseprtonic ch3snas Network attached storage..
20:42<surfin>conceptronic..
20:42<Corujitu><surfin> my motherboard will not recognize any of the devices installed in PCI slots. shes an Intel DP43BF
20:43<surfin>I know the site the packadges are but i do not seem to be able to set the apt-get to that site..
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20:44<retrospectacus>!etch mirror
20:44<bremner>surfin: /msg dpkg sources.list
20:44<retrospectacus>!etch sources.list
20:44<dpkg>i heard etch sources.list is "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free" and "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian-security etch/updates main contrib non-free". But realise that Etch has not had security support since February 2010 and that you should upgrade to a newer release. Ask me about <etch->lenny>.
20:44<retrospectacus>surfin: ^
20:45<surfin>what about etch->lenny?
20:45<retrospectacus>Corujitu: is it the motherboard or the OS? i.e. does the bios or another OS see the PCI devices?
20:45<bremner>surfin: /msg dpkg etch->lenny and the bot will tell you
20:46<surfin>ok, tnx
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20:47<thrice>hi; I'm struggling to get pulseaudio working properly on gnome (on squeeze). my issue is that "start-pulseaudio-x11" returns Failure: Module initalization failed
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20:49<Corujitu><retrospectacus> I believe it is the OS as windows in PCI cards are recognized normally.
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20:51<Corujitu><retrospectacus> Already I've been reading on google, and there are more users who saw the same problem.
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20:53<retrospectacus>Corujitu: I see that. I'm afraid I don't have anything additional to suggest
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20:56<prahal__>thrice, start-pulseaudio-x11 -v -v -v
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20:57<prahal__>use pastebinit or one of the paste site to share the output
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20:58<Corujitu><retrospectacus> excuse me, I saw your response. You please repeat that?
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20:58<thrice>prahal__, unfortunately, not much else: http://pastie.org/1301418
20:58<prahal__>Corujitu, lspci shows nothing (and dmesg does not show any log message about pci ) ?
21:00<retrospectacus>Corujitu: I looked at google. I can't help you. Sorry
21:00<Corujitu><prahal___> when I do a lspci, the plates do not appear. It's as if they did not exist. But they usually work on windows
21:01<prahal__>thrice : edit /etc/pulse/client.conf and uncomment autospawn = no
21:01<prahal__>then kill pulseaudio and retry
21:01<Corujitu><retrospectacus> google already rolled upside down, and nothing that could solve the problem.
21:02<prahal__>also have you checked xprop -root |grep PULSE after the command ?
21:02<thrice>prahal__, actually, mine is: ; autospawn = yes
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21:02<thrice>prahal__, yep, returns nada
21:02<prahal__>Corujitu, that s weird . lspci does not list what is supported by a module . It shows everything
21:02<prahal__>thrice, try to set it to no
21:03<prahal__>this will let you kill pulseaudo without it restarting immediatly
21:04<thrice>prahal__, unfortunately, not much changed: http://pastie.org/1301428
21:04<thrice>that is after setting autospawn to no
21:05<thrice>init.d/pulseaudio status claims it's running also
21:05<prahal__>Corujitu, tried with noapic and nolapic passed to the kernel
21:05<surfin>tnx all, it works!
21:05<prahal__>thrice, you killed it after changing the setting ?
21:05<thrice>correct
21:06<prahal__>and ps ax still shows it ?
21:06<thrice>prahal__, my sequence: http://pastie.org/1301433
21:06<prahal__>there should be no ";" at the start of the line in client.conf
21:07<prahal__>ah ok so it worked (pulse was killed
21:07<prahal__>there left the start script failing
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21:08<thrice>yes, "pulseaudio-start -v -v -v" is now in my ps output, but that xprop grep is still nothing
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21:09<prahal__>could you share /etc/pulse/default.pa ?
21:09<thrice>prahal__, sure, though I haven't touched it yet: http://pastie.org/1301441
21:10<prahal__>yep but I touched mine :)
21:10<thrice>prahal__, and my ~/.xinitrc is simply "exec ck-launch-session gnome-session"
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21:12<prahal__>thrice try "pacmd" then in it "load-module module-x11-publish"
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21:13<thrice>prahal__, failed :(
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21:15<thrice>prahal__, aha, reinstalling the x11 module did it
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21:18<prahal__>now that is me :) I cannot start it back (found the culprit but I wonder how it happened ... the only new thing I did was to run pacmd
21:18<Corujitu>Friends. I have a motherboard IntelDP43BF. On Windows, it recognizes that the boards are PCI slots. But not on my Debian. They do not appear in lspci. I've been reading and seems to be an incompatibility problem with the ICH10 chipset. Can anyone help me?
21:20<thrice>prahal__, sorry :p I guess my success comes at a price ;)
21:20<prahal__>;)
21:21<prahal__>not a big issue . I could delete the offending files and start pulseaudio but I want to find out what has happened
21:21<prahal__>Corujitu, on squeeze or lenny ?
21:21<prahal__>which kernel version do you have
21:22<Corujitu>prahal__ squeeze
21:22<Corujitu>Actually, I tried both.
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21:24<Corujitu><prahal__> As the kernel version, I tried to squeeze naversão standard, but also already compiled on 2.6.36
21:24<Corujitu><prahal__> As the kernel version, I tried the standard version of Squeeze, but also already compiled on 2.6.36
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21:27<Corujitu><prahal__> Just to let you informed, I had trying to solve one installing ubuntu and slackware. Neither acknowledged the PCI.
21:29<prahal__>currently reading http://www.symantec.com/connect/articles/how-fudge-linux-ahci-ata-drivers-ich10-controllers could you paste onto a paste site the "lspci -vn" output
21:29<bremner>is there a way to tell aptitude that not only don't I want the recommends for this package, but I also don't want any recommends for any dependencies either? Without modifying /etc/apt/apt.conf preferably.
21:29<prahal__>ah the pci at all ? ie nothing shows up in the lspci output ?
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21:30<prahal__>adding support for a missing id in the kernel module seems easy
21:30<prahal__>only we need to get the id
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21:31<nevyn>bremner: you can change aptitudes reccommends behavior in the tui under preferences
21:31<nevyn>and suggests as well
21:32<Corujitu><prahal__> Exactly. The plates are connected nso slots, but do not appear in lspci.
21:33<Corujitu><prahal__> Exactly. The plates are connected in the slots, but do not appear in lspci.
21:33<bremner>nevyn: thanks, but i was thinking of for one operation. I guess there is no simple option.
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21:34<nevyn>bremner: oh I thought you ment globally for ever.
21:34<prahal__>Corujitu, could you share the dmesg output ?
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21:36<prahal__>Corujitu, the plates ok but not even the controller is in lspci output ?
21:36<Corujitu><prahal__> Yes, I can, but as I sent it all? It's a bit long.
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21:37<prahal__>lspci first if there is at least the sata controller line
21:37<prahal__>dmesg would tell less with more noise
21:37<nevyn>bremner: -R should work for a oneoff
21:38<bremner>nevyn: the problem is that "recommends of depends" still get installed.
21:38<Corujitu><prahal__> as the output of lspci, I can not tell if the driver appears. Because I do not know which one is responsible for PCI.
21:38<prahal__>lspci is not about drivers
21:38<prahal__>it is about hw detected
21:39<prahal__>if it is empty then it is of no use . If anything shows up inside lspci -vn
21:39<nevyn>bremner: and when you upgrade that package it's reccomends will be installed
21:39<Corujitu><prahal__> you mind taking a look inside my PC? I step the root password and you enter via ssh. Can it be?
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21:39<prahal__>then this would help find out if the id for your controller is missing or not from the detection code in the driver for ichX
21:40<nevyn>bremner: it's really an all or nothing kinda deal sadly.
21:40<bremner>nevyn: yeah, maybe I'll try the global setting and see how it goes.
21:40<nevyn>unless you pin or something.
21:40<bremner>same problem. Ok, this seems to be an aptitude bug.
21:40*nevyn has install reccomends install suggests on his machines
21:40<nevyn>disk space is cheap.
21:41<prahal__>Corujitu, if I could avoid :/
21:41<Corujitu><prahal__> opens a window aside to talk more calmly.
21:41<thrice>is there a special dpkg flag to show which packages were explicitely installed by the user?
21:42<bremner>nevyn: yeah, for desktop machines that is true.
21:42<bremner>for things like VPS's and embedded devices less so
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21:44<nevyn>bremner: yep.
21:46<thrice>for example, only things I've explicitely installed via. aptitude, but nothing that was brought in as a dep (or added with +M )
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22:48<lolbadger>Whats that
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22:50<thrice>adding "+M" to aptitude install package" lets you install "package" as though it was pulled in as a dependency (for example, as a recommends)
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23:32<lee_>hello
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23:32<lee_>im kinda lost
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23:33<lee_>can someone tell me which server name linux mint is on?
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23:34<mattcen>!not debian
23:34<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't know what changes were made by your distribution and it probably falls short of Debian's standards. #debian only supports Debian; you should respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent.
23:35<mattcen>!mint
23:35<dpkg>Linux Mint is a distribution based on <Ubuntu>, which also has a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) available, based on <testing>. Neither is supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. See also <based on Debian>.
23:36<lee_>thank you sir
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23:39<lee_>so would i enter that in the network list?
23:39<lee_>or the server list
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23:49<OsirisX>I'm creating a gnome menu entry for tsMuxerGUI - how do I get it to launch with ~/Videos as my default directory (instead of /usr/bin)?
23:50<thrice>create a small wrapper instead ?
23:51<OsirisX>thrice: is that the only way? I was thinking there might be a a simpler solution involving the way the command is called from the menu entry
23:52<thrice>maybe so, but nothing that comes to mind for me :( a simple check for ~/Videos, then a cd call && launching the game seems easiest to me
23:53<OsirisX>thrice: ok - I just wonder how all the other gnome menu entries manage to start in my home directory (the entry itself gives nothing away)
23:55<thrice>well, you login as user to ~ , and don't change directories before launching gnome ?
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23:57<OsirisX>thrice: yes but surely then all programs launched from the gnome environment would behave the same way
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