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#debian IRC Logs for 2010-11-17

---Logopened Wed Nov 17 00:00:21 2010
00:02<slipshot>anyone have any trouble out of intel chips after updating?
00:02<slipshot>i lost 3d rendering
00:04<slipshot>anyone got a clue where to start looking to solve the problem?
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00:05<slipshot>i aint got no error messages or anything else to go by
00:05<davekong>slipshot: what version of what drivers are you using
00:05<slipshot>the first thing i done was google it
00:06<davekong>what grapics card do you have
00:06<slipshot>just xorg 1:7.5+8
00:06<davekong>xorg is not a driver
00:07<slipshot>i never installed any outside drivers
00:07<slipshot>i had direct rendering without having to install any drivers
00:08<slipshot>i have an i945 chipset
00:09<foreste>how to compile the kernel developers on the i686 platform?
00:10<slipshot>its an integrated graphics card
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00:11<davekong>slipshot: Does your xorg log say anything?
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00:12<slipshot>(EE) GLX error: Can not get required symbols.
00:13<slipshot>thats the only error i see
00:14<slipshot> <<- thats my xorg log
00:16<slipshot>glxinfo[2248]: segfault at 4 ip b7747db4 sp bfa05c10 error 4 in[b76db000+b4000] <--- thats what is in the messages log when i try to run glxinfo
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00:32<slipshot>ok i got it working
00:32<slipshot>i just reconfigured xorg
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00:36<foreste>what select family cpu ?
00:37<foreste>my cpu sempron 2800 +
00:38<foreste>cofiguring compiling kernel
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01:05<joan>alguien habla español
01:06<joan>alguien habla?
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01:52<davekong>what application is used for resolving domain names?
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01:53<davekong>I am getting " failed: Name or service not known." errors from any applications that try to download something using a domain name
01:54<davekong>unable to resolve host address
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01:56<compaq>are you connected to internet?
01:57<davekong>compaq: I can download things via their IP
01:57<davekong>with e.g. wget or apt-get
01:58<compaq>davekong, so wierd, usually you IP assigns dns servers for you, so if you can connect to internet you should connect to dns too, who is you isp?
01:59<davekong>compaq: it is something with the install it seems like, this happens when I am trying to use apt-get inside a sparc64 chroot
01:59<davekong>compaq: not sure who the isp is
02:00<compaq>davekong, there is a file, but I can't remember which one, but it just has the addresses for you dns servers that your ISP assigns you
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02:00<davekong>compaq: /etc/resolv.conf
02:01<compaq>davekong, yeah, thats it
02:02<compaq>davekong, what do you have in there?
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02:02<davekong>ahh, do file, but I have it outside the chroot so I guess add that and it should fix things
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02:02<davekong>s/do/don't have that
02:02<compaq>davekong, maybe, I hope so, I never did virtuals
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02:03<compaq>compaq, so you want to run multiple OS eh?
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02:03<davekong>asking yourself? :)
02:03<compaq>I want to run virtual hosts on debian apache2 but it doesn't work for me. I get error about mixing * and non * stuff
02:03<compaq>davekong, typo
02:04<davekong>I am running sparc, sparc64, i686 x86_64
02:05<davekong>have a chroot to create environments for other bit sizes
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02:06<compaq>davekong, wow, I never knew about it. I thought it was other way around, you run mac, windows, linux, on on chip
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02:10<davekong>compaq: rephrase that
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02:11<davekong>You can run mac etc on a certain chip, well depends, since windows is all x86 as far as I know and mac, depends what version
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02:11<davekong>could use emulators to run an OS on a chip other than it was designed for
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02:15<compaq>davekong, well, I mean, you run multiple os's on one chip, but you were mentioned multiple chips it seems
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02:16<davekong>compaq: oh, I meant just that I have a few different computers
02:16<compaq>davekong, ok, I see
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02:17<compaq>I am currently trying to setup name vhost on apache2 on debian with little luck
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02:25<davekong>compaq: using xen?
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03:14<nisse>This is probably a pretty stupid question, but here iot goes. I know that the first tty devices are used for the terminals/consoles, but in my system I have over 60 such devices.. What are they all for?
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03:19<devil>nisse: /etc/inittab has tty 1-6 defined by default. you could enable more than those.
03:20<devil>iirc 63 are possible
03:21<nisse>devil: a new patch was released today that "automatically create task groups per TTY" and according to testers (and Linus himself) it boost performance a great deal!
03:22<nisse>devil: trying to figure out how this can be
03:22<devil>nisse: well, did you read the whole diskussion? (which is not even finished)
03:23<nisse>devil: I've just read an article at phoronix
03:23<nisse>published a month ago
03:24<nisse>No, today ;)
03:24<devil>nisse: cgroups is a nice idea and will probably help for jobs like compiling kernels that spawn many shortlived processes
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03:25<devil>background is to better categorize concurrent tasks, so the scheduler can make better decisions
03:26<devil>this is where cgroup compartments join the stage
03:26<devil>the idea, if all processes spawned from one tty get put into one cgroup the scheduler can weight these cgroups against each other - instead of surrendering under all those individual processes
03:27<devil>it does not cover X11 based programs, because these usually don't have a controlling tty
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03:29<nisse>devil: hmm.. always thought that tty was reserved for the virtual terminals (special files) and HW..
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03:31<devil>sry, telephone
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03:33<nisse>devil: I'm usually working with embedded systems with only the virtual terminals and serial drivers present as tty devices. Guessing that this patch won't help on such a system. Still, I'm a bit confused what all those tty devices, ranging from tty10 - tty60 on my system is used for. Could you give me an example?
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03:56<fireman112>anyone can explain Debian/linux boot process? i just know bios->grub>
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04:56<w>do you think germany has remembrance day?
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05:31<jcsm33>hi everyone! whereis #debian-women channel
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05:34<jcsm33>ok. forget it. i'm in
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05:39<WuXorT>can somebody help me?
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05:40<devil>WuXorT: dont ask to ask
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05:42<devil>WuXorT: just ask your question
05:42<WuXorT>i have gotten a webserver i supposed to get data from
05:42<WuXorT>physically i got the machine
05:42<WuXorT>there is a software raid in it
05:42<WuXorT>2 hdd
05:43<WuXorT>but havent got the root password
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05:43<WuXorT>so i only have to get the data from it
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05:44<WuXorT>tryed picking out one hdd and mount, but can't mount it because dont recognize its partition type
05:45<WuXorT>any idea how can i get either booting into the debian system without using password, or getting data from the hdd?
05:47<devil>why would you need root pw to boot?
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05:49<mjt>smells like somethig does not work during boot (most likely fsck/mount) and it is asking for the root pw.
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05:49<WuXorT>you know when i boot in i have to add username and password
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05:50<devil>WuXorT: you said you didnt have the root pw
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05:51<devil>the password that login asks for is user pw
05:51<WuXorT>but i dont know any user accounts on it
05:52<WuXorT>i dont have any logon information
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05:53<devil>then you cant boot it.
05:53<mjt>how "it" can ask for a password without asking for a username first?
05:53<mjt>this makes no sense
05:54<mjt>the only place where it asks for a passwd without asking the username is when it failed to mount some filesystem at boot, -- in this case it enters system maintenance mode and aksk for _root_ password.
05:54<devil>you might be able to mount a drive by specifying the fs with -t <filesystem>
05:55<mjt>and how relevant this information is?
05:56<devil>or maybe pmount
05:56<mjt>and this?
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05:59<Vivelavidawappa>my name is ...What?
05:59<Vivelavidawappa>My name is ...How?
06:00<Vivelavidawappa>My name is ...hththththththt?
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06:00<Vivelavidawappa>my name is mierda
06:00<Vivelavidawappa>mi name is caca
06:00<Vivelavidawappa>my name is shift
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06:01<Vivelavidawappa>went to the sift
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06:02<Vivelavidawappa>my name is What?
06:02<Vivelavidawappa>My name is Who?
06:04<themill>!es-social Vivelavidawappa
06:04<dpkg>Vivelavidawappa: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
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06:08<mjt>oops.. bye
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06:30<WuXorT>it boots up normally, so it asks for username and password
06:31<dupondje->somebody with ldap knowledge here ?
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06:37<WuXorT>so then how can i erease root password?
06:37*Union_Cab37 's iPhone is now playing the Song The Same Parents from Enigma
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06:37<themill>Union_Cab37: please disable that
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06:39<Union_Cab37>Was built in. Didnt even know it would do that
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06:49<zy>A question: how can I disable the "power" key on USB keyboard while leaving the power button on laptop enabled?
06:49<zy>They seem to have the same scancode
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06:51<MeglaW>zy: take a screwdriver to it and remove it.
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06:52<MeglaW>just stick it under and pop it out
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06:53<zy>MeglaW: you mean there is no way to do this inside the system?
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07:06<zy>I remember that some months or a year ago the power key on usb keyboard and laptop generate different keycode, but now they generate the same.
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07:07<zy>So I think that scancodes can be modified inside the system.
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07:15<dupondje->nobody here with ldap knowledge ?
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07:16<themill>just ask your real question and you might find someone who can answer it
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07:18<dupondje->well I make an account: ',ou=mailaccount,dc=testing,dc=be
07:18<dupondje->and now I want to make that that user can create 'children'
07:19<dupondje->I added for that the following ACL:
07:20<dupondje->but it doesn't seem to work. I get ldap_add: Insufficient access (50)
07:20<dupondje-> additional info: no write access to entry
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07:37<cmot>Hmmm. Postgresql start up takes ages ....
07:37<cmot>7.4, unfortunately. Seems to run through all users at startup (at least I see queries to nscd for usernames with strace)
07:38<cmot>anybody has had this experience?
07:38<cmot>(non-local ldap and 30k users doesn't help ...)
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08:24<uncaer9>hello. i have problem with sound driver, i hate alc888 with 5 jacks at back, one SPDIF, and 2 in front, when i set model in alsa-base to auto the sound level is too low(i only hear something when i set speakers @ 100% volume), in mixer everything is set to 100%. my motherboard is Gigabyte ma770-ud3p.
08:25<uncaer9>in debian lenny everything was ok, i have squeeze.
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08:28<uncaer9>my sound card is propably 8channel.
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09:05<Cristiano>sou portugues
09:06<Cristiano>hablo un poco español
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09:07<macarthur>why is it that gparted seemingly sets aside x amount of each partition on a new drive as used space. For example, i have one that's 437.17GiB in size on my new HDD and it says that it's supposedly using 7.05GiB total. Is this where it stores it's special 'reserved' blocks?
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09:07<Cristiano>oh my good
09:08<john_>i still have all the memtest and safemodes on my grub. what do i do now?
09:08<macarthur>i thought you didn't speak english Cristi since you were apparently asking if someone was speaking any portugese and then spanish.
09:08<Cristiano>the 31 of november im have a partido
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09:08<macarthur>no idea what that is Cristi but i believe that it is probably #debian-offtopic room nvm he left again.
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09:09<john_>in my grub i only want to see mint 10, and ubuntu 10. anybody have a clue???
09:09<macarthur>what's your grub type
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09:09<macarthur>grub1 or 2?
09:09<john_>i dunno
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09:09<Cristiano>you have skateboard
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09:10<john_>using terminal, how do i find out
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09:11<zy>john_: do you have this file: /boot/grub/grub.cfg
09:12<john_>let's see
09:12<macarthur>look in /boot/grub/
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09:12<macarthur>if you see a grub.cfg then i know youhave grub2 if it's a menu.lst it's grub 1
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09:12<macarthur>ah zy beat me to it
09:12<john_>yes i see it
09:12<john_>and it says DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE
09:13<john_>well i can't type in that file anyways. it won't let me
09:13<macarthur>first try update-grub
09:14<macarthur>see if it adds i'm guessing debian to it or windows if you're dual booting
09:14<macarthur>make sure you're doin it from the root terminal
09:14<john_>no i'm dual booting mint10 and ubuntu
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09:14<john_>how do i open this same file in terminal
09:14<macarthur>you just said
09:14<macarthur>that you ahd mint and ubuntu O_o
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09:14<macarthur>that means you can boot into both right?
09:15<macarthur>then what was your problem?
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09:15<john_>i want to take off the memtest and safemode in the grub
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09:15<john_>it's like a list of 8, when i only need 2 there
09:16<macarthur>click on applications->accessories->terminal or press ctrl+f2 gnome-terminal i'm also figuring that you're using gnome
09:17<john_>i'm in terminal
09:17<macarthur>you'd probably be best talkign to the mint people or the ubuntu people since i don't know what their menu looks like anymore. And if you have 8, as you say you do. I imagine that you had an older version of ubuntu on your system and sorta just kept updating it.
09:17<macarthur>first type su <your username>
09:17<macarthur><your password>*
09:17<macarthur>or sudo update-grub
09:17<macarthur>and type your password for your account
09:17<macarthur>safest/probably easiest for you is to just type sudo update-grub
09:18<macarthur>if it still has those '8 things' then tell me.
09:18<vezult>Hi all. I'm going to install debian lenny using a usb stick, but the default image leaves only enough room for net-install images. I'd like to use a full CD image. Is there some clever way to resize, so that I can fit the full CD1?
09:18<Vivelavidawappa>you are silly?
09:18<Vivelavidawappa>vezult , you are silly?
09:18<john_>yeah, i did the update after dude talked me through something else in terminal
09:19<macarthur>vezult i doubt it. CD=~700MiB
09:19<Vivelavidawappa>dejadme ya!coño!
09:20<macarthur>then type sudo gedit /boot/grub/grub.cfg
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09:22<devil>there is a good reason not to edit that file.
09:22<vezult>mcarthur: yes, 700M won't fit by default, of course. What I'd like to do is resize the image somehow. boot.img.gz is small, and i've got a 1G usb stick.
09:22<john_>i see stuff
09:22<john_>that's why it's mine. i want to
09:23<john_>what's so good if i mess up, i just start over. haven't customized anything yet.
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09:23<john_>so do i delete the lines
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09:23<devil>your changes will be overwritten with every kernel upgrade. edit the correct file.
09:24<john_>i don't want to see memtest or safemode when i startup
09:24<devil>john_: you will see it again after a kernel upgrade
09:25<john_>i won't upgrade
09:25<john_>can u please tell me what to do to get it off the screen
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09:25<devil>john_: read
09:26<uncaer9>" find: /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.32-5-common/alsa-kernel/: no such file or directory" "what should i do?"
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09:27<zy>john_: find the sections menuentry ... { ... } , delete unwanted ones
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09:28<john_>all of the lines within ()
09:29<zy>not () , {}
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09:35<cmot>in a large installation (ldap, 30k users, 1k groups):
09:35<cmot>id -G <user> is impossibly slow
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09:36<cmot>it seems to iterate over all groups to find the auxiliary groups of the user
09:36<cmot>su - <user> is fast and the auxiliary groups are set correctly,
09:36<cmot>so a fast way for this look up seems to exist.
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09:37<cmot>(this is, unfortunately, still an etch based environment. I don't have a big test environment to check if this still happens with lenny/squeeze)
09:37<cmot>nscd speeds up the process somewhat, but what I'm really after is a better way that wouldn't have to iterate over all groups...
09:37<themill>cmot: is id -G slow the second time?
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09:38<tarzeau>cmot: id -G sengun works very fast here
09:38<tarzeau>cmot: we use nis though
09:38<cmot>themill: the problem is that it is *slow* (order of 10min) the first time
09:38<cmot>tarzeau: how many users and groups do you have?
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09:38*cmot waves to tarzeau ... hallo erstmal :-)
09:38<tarzeau>cmot: 5k users, several hundred groups
09:38<themill>cmot: I'm really asking if su - was only benefiting from caching and would have been impossibly slow too if you'd not just done an id on it first.
09:38<tarzeau>cmot: hello :)
09:39<tarzeau>cmot: 232 groups, 4603 users
09:39<cmot>themill: "su -" is fast even when I restart nscd
09:39<themill>hmm... interesting.
09:39<weasel>cmot: is 'id -n -G <user>' any faster?
09:40<cmot>weasel: doesn't appear so.
09:40<cmot>(30 secs and still running)
09:41<cmot>id -G postgres: > 1min, I cancel
09:41<cmot>su - postgres: ca. 5sec, and it's a slow box and lots of stuff in .bashrc etc.
09:41<cmot>yes, I restarted nscd in between
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09:41<weasel>cmot: you're using libnss-ldap?
09:42<cmot>running just "id" as user postgres is fast
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09:43<cmot>oh well. I have now hardcoded the necessary stuff in the postgres start script, so I can live with it. Still strange
09:43<themill>cmot: so «su -c "id -G" postgres» isn't slow?
09:43<weasel>I realize this isn't what you've asked, but in almost all places where I have my user data in ldap, I use 'db' in /etc/nsswitch.conf instead of ldap (and have libnss-db installed), and run 'nss_updatedb ldap' hourly (from the nss-updatedb package).
09:43<cmot>themill: that's fast
09:43<weasel>that dumps the entire user info to local, fast db files
09:44<weasel>makes things more robust too
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09:44<cmot>weasel: wish I could implement that. this is etch based univention and we've got a support contract, so our options are a bit limited :-(
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09:44<cmot>I guess I'll stick to the workaround and just complain to univention
09:45<themill>cmot: so it's that id is being run for a different user that's the slow step. Sounds like time being spent in authz.
09:45<cmot>themill: authz is what?
09:46<cmot>(sorry, stupid question...?)
09:46<themill>cmot: no, probably just badly expressed on my part
09:46<themill>cmot: each group lookup is probably doing a couple of round-trips to see if you're permitted to look up that particular information
09:46<weasel>did you strace id to find out what it does?
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09:48<cmot>weasel: tons of traffic on fd 4 which is the connection to ldap
09:48<cmot>hard to tell what exactly it does since ldap is over tls
09:49<weasel>so, is your host running out of entropy?
09:49<weasel>does it matter if you run 'id' as root or as a normal user?
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09:50<cmot>weasel: i don't think entropy is the problem, the system is doing lots of traffic and not waiting
09:50<cmot>running as normal user or root makes no difference
09:51<cmot>libnss_ldap.conf: what's the way to disable tls?
09:51*cmot looks it up
09:52<weasel>depends on your config
09:52*cmot tries ssl off
09:53<themill>weasel: running "id" was fast, running "id anotheruser" was slow.
09:53<cmot>themill: yep
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09:53<cmot>themill: running "id myownuser" is slow as well
09:54<themill>oh!? hmm
09:54<cmot>looking at the ldap dunp: it seems that id iterates over all groups and fetches all group members
09:55<cmot>this is only small because our groups are so many and so big.
09:55<cmot>1000s of groups, many groups with >1000 members.
09:55<cmot>no I can't change this :-/
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09:56<themill>why would "id" and "id $USER" produce different results...
09:56<cmot>so getting auxiliary groups for a user is apparently implemented differently in pam and in nss
09:56<cmot>themill: because (my guess) "id" just shows the groups that are for the current user (which were already looked up by pam)
09:57<cmot>while id $USER does the lookup by itself and uses a stupid algorithm
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09:57<cmot>pam_ldap.conf and libnss-ldap.conf don't differ
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10:08<Skeleton>Hi! can anyone help me with installing kadu ?
10:08<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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11:04<vittorio>heloo everybody
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11:08<CutMeOwnThroat>well... "aptitude install kadu"...
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11:10<ilogico>hello, can someone tell me where to find the netboot.tar.gz ?
11:10<ilogico>for booting and installing with PXE?
11:11<ilogico> doesn't list it
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11:18<ilogico>thanks petemc
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11:18<foo_>how can I encrypt files and folders without root or sudo permissions (should work on every system, like university systems)? everything I found (dm-crypt, truecrypt & Co need root for mount). please no GPG
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11:25<vezult>foo_: you could try ecryptfs
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11:26<vezult>foo_: oops. that's not cross-platform
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11:31<vezult>is LVM performance still an issue (snapshots aside)?
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11:32<vezult>I know in the past I read a bunch about how terrible LVM vs raw device performance was, and am curious if that's still considered to be the case
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11:33<Webmind-org>I'm doin LVM with encryption on 5 HD's in raid0 and it runs fine.
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11:37<Webmind-org>GB network up to 85MB reading and 60 Mb Writing with samba from win7
11:37<babaji>here can i ask my doubt
11:38<babaji>check 123
11:38<babaji>think i a going wrong........
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11:55<mjt>vezult: i'd be grateful if you provide some links where they claim lvm is slow.
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11:56<mjt>usually lvm overhead is less than 1%
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11:56<mjt>and it has always been the case, since lvm weren't even in the kernel
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12:10<hagenZ>hi. i have dsl connection but can't ping any adress. what is a problem?
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12:12<cahoot>no/wrong entries in /etc/resolv.conf?
12:13<hagenZ>no. dhcp here
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12:15<vezult>mjt: I've never noticed a big performance hit, personally. I have read that with raid + lvm, stripe alignment can really affect performance.
12:15<mjt>_that_ is very true
12:16<vezult>mjt: most things I've read claiming a significant perf hit are from several years ago.
12:16<mjt>wrong alignment = bad write performance
12:16<mjt>but it is in no way specific to lvm
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12:19<jhutchins_lt>hagenZ: Can you ping numericals?
12:19<hagenZ>no web, no ping
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12:23<b0ycrazy>hagenZ: try to ping your gateway
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12:23<hagenZ>dns server?
12:24<b0ycrazy>hagenZ: your gateway/router
12:24<hagenZ>my modem works like router
12:25<b0ycrazy>try to ping the modem ip
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12:26<b0ycrazy>hagenZ: if you want put in pastebin your ifconfig and
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12:26<b0ycrazy>hagenZ: if you want put in pastebin your ifconfig and route -n
12:27<hagenZ>b0ycrazy ifconfig
12:27<hagenZ>or where?
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12:30<jhutchins_lt>hagenZ: I believe you don't actually have a connection there.
12:30<jhutchins_lt>hagenZ: You should get an ip address.
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12:32<b0ycrazy>hagenZ: what are you using to connect to this modem ?
12:32<jhutchins_lt>hagenZ: Should be assigned like dhcp does when the connection is made.
12:32<jhutchins_lt>hagenZ: The log of the ppp process would be more informative than ifconfig which basically shows nothing.
12:33<jhutchins_lt>hagenZ: What are you using to configure/set up the connection?
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12:34<hagenZ>b0ycrazy jhutchins_lt pppoe-start from rp-pppoe
12:34<jhutchins_lt>Every time I deal with ppp it's a different package.
12:35<hagenZ>pppoeconfig didn't help me
12:35<jhutchins_lt>hagenZ: The docs for that package should have troubleshooting info. You need to either run it in manual debugging mode or enable logging.
12:35<jhutchins_lt>hagenZ: You're not connected.
12:36<vezult>mjt: do I need to worry about stripe alignment if using hardware raid?
12:36<hagenZ>nice. i'll get the log
12:36<mjt>vezult: definitely. But with hw raid, it's difficult to get that information
12:37<mjt>(linux sw raid exports this info in sysfs and the tools (mkfs, parted etc) use it)
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13:25<hagenZ>jhutchins_lt ifconfig & route
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13:26<jhutchins_lt>hagenZ: That looks like you're connected now.
13:26<hagenZ>need syslog??
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13:27<hagenZ>i tried to ping dns servers - nothing
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13:30<jhutchins_lt>hagenZ: pppd[2753]: not replacing existing default route via
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13:30<hagenZ>what does it mean?
13:30<jhutchins_lt>wow. Your default route is still via eth0.
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13:34<jhutchins_lt>hagenZ: Which package are you using?
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13:47<hagenZ>debian 506
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14:05<traffickr>how can i fix this error? --> /lib/tls/i686/cmov/ version `GLIBC_2.7' not found
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14:07<micca>hi.. im having a weird problem (well to me).. I enter some values in bashrc and bashprofile and export them.. when I echo $SOME_VAR , it retrns an empty string .. i.e. not set... on debian lenny.. anyoen know why or what im doing wrong?
14:07<micca>AH wait.. I might have jus noticed the prob :$
14:09<micca>yup, for some reason bash_profile gets overwritten to empty file.. it was set earlier IM sure, as I cat'd it, bt who knows, maybe some thing went apeball.. (SORRY)
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14:14<chealer>traffickr: when doing what?
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14:27<EmleyMoor>Are there any good packages in Debian that scan photo negatives without tinting everything green?
14:27<jhutchins_lt>EmleyMoor: More to the point, are there any packages in Debian that turn scanned images green?
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14:33<cahoot>EmleyMoor: colour negs?
14:34<EmleyMoor>cahoot: Yes
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14:34<cahoot>EmleyMoor: IIRC ther's some trick to use with xsane
14:34<EmleyMoor>jhutchins_lt: xsane seems to tint them green for some reason, while skanlite washes them out
14:35<EmleyMoor>Managed to get an "outside Debian" package that gives a good result
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14:35<hagenZ>jhutchins_lt what can i do?
14:36<EmleyMoor>cahoot: Tried fiddlisg with that lot to not much effect
14:36<cahoot>EmleyMoor: if you're really interested I'd suggest Vuescan (payware)
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14:37<EmleyMoor>Avasys iscan is good fer my particular scanner
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14:37<cahoot>dedicate negative scanner?
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14:47<EmleyMoor>cahoot: No - flatbed with TPU
14:48<cahoot>When I think about it ISTR there was some gimp-trickery involved - got tired of the sub par results and got hold of vuescan
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14:50<EmleyMoor>iscan does it just great - all it is missing is rotation before saving
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14:55<cahoot>EmleyMoor: disregarding the colour - content with the resulting sharpness?
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15:11<thd>evening ... anyone know how to enable a service ? I'm trying #update-rc.d -f nfs-kernel-server defaults
15:11<thd>but it complains with #insserv: warning: current start runlevel(s) (empty) of script `nfs-kernel-server' overwrites defaults (2 3 4 5).
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15:16<Tekk_>hey, I know that squeeze has been frozen for a while and is getting close to becoming stable(seems that way from where I'm standing in use at least.) But this is really my first debian testing install, can anyone tell me what to expect when squeeze goes stable and the next testing begins?
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15:18<cahoot>if you keep 'testing' in sources you might expect unstability
15:19<Tekk_>cahoot: yeah, that's what I'm planning on doing
15:20<Tekk_>so the switch is more or less going to look like a bunch of updates to me, correct?
15:20<Tekk_>that's really what my question was, just didn't think of how to word it properly
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15:25<thd>so where does one find help, if no one here can help ?
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15:27<catsup>thd, don't use -f
15:28<thd>ok, lets see # update-rc.d nfs-kernel-server defaults
15:28<thd>update-rc.d: using dependency based boot sequencing
15:28<thd>insserv: warning: current start runlevel(s) (empty) of script `nfs-kernel-server' overwrites defaults (2 3 4 5).
15:28<thd>insserv: warning: current stop runlevel(s) (0 1 2 3 4 5 6) of script `nfs-kernel-server' overwrites defaults (0 1 6).
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15:29<thd>hmm, bot does not like pasting :-)
15:29<thd>suffice to say that even without -f, the same error shows and there is no soft link created in rc2
15:29<MeglaW>none of us to, type /topic
15:29<thd>is 3 lines that much of an issue ?
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15:31<jhutchins_lt>thd: Gotta be set somewhere.
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15:31<jhutchins_lt>I use rcconf myself.
15:32<thd>right, lets see what rcconf is then ...
15:32<catsup>thd: you don't want rcconf. what do you get when you type echo /etc/rc?.d/*nfs-kernel-server
15:33<catsup>(well ok you might want rcconf but it's not hte fastest way to solve your problem)
15:33<thd>just kill entries from 0-6
15:33<thd>no start entries
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15:35<catsup>try update-rc.d nfs-kernel-server start 50 2 3 4 5 . stop 80 0 1 6 .
15:36<thd>insserv: warning: current start runlevel(s) (empty) of script `nfs-kernel-server' overwrites defaults (2 3 4 5).
15:36<thd>and still only kill entries
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15:38<catsup>man i have no idea wtf that error is about. what if you use -f remove
15:38<qwd>If there's a bug in a Debian package which is fixed in a later version (which hasn't come to Debian yet), is there any point in writing about it on ?
15:38<jhutchins_lt>thd: Sounds like the init script headers are messed up.
15:38<vezult>what stripe size does the debian installer use when creating a raid1 array?
15:39<mjr>raid1 doesn't have stripes
15:39<thd>weeee, did the -f remove, and then added it, now works
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15:41<catsup>i don't know why the command line without 'defaults' would even check the headers
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15:43<thd>well, rebooting now to see if it actually works :)
15:43<catsup>jeeze don't dothat
15:43<catsup>/etc/init.d/nfs-kernel-server start
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15:44<thd>lol, the point is to see if the service start at boot, not just if the service works (that I have tested)
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15:46<thd>1 reboot later, and life is good. Thanks catsup
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15:55<xchat>I seem to have a lot of cruft in /var/lib/apt/lists/partial and related dirs -- how do I remove it safely without hosing my apt database?
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15:58<EmleyMoor>cahoot: The sharpness is good
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15:59<jhutchins_kc>xchat: aptitude clean
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16:01<xchat>jhutchins_kc, no change. just for clarity, I'm talking about lots of old *.diff's -- no packages
16:02<mjt>the partial dir can safely be cleaned up
16:02<mjt>in /var/lib/apt/lists and /var/cache/apt/archives
16:03<xchat>mjt, thanks
16:03<mjt>the whole lists/ can be removed just fine too - just re-run aptitude update and it will be populated again
16:03<mjt>cache is where it stores downloaded .deb files - they aren't needed for system operations
16:04<mjt>it can be removed using apt-get clean
16:04<mjt>or aptitude
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16:07<xchat>mjt, interesting, will try
16:08<mjt>theere's a database of installed packages - which IS important
16:08<xchat>mjt, yeah, i guessed that
16:08<mjt>it's keept in /var/lib/dpkg/ and some info in /var/cache/debconf/
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16:09<mjt>you usually don't mess with files in there :)
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16:11<V1ll3>Does this work?
16:11<V1ll3>Client: ircII EPIC4-2.6 (Commit Id: 750) (Internal Version: 20061116)
16:11<V1ll3>that is nice
16:12<V1ll3>There somebody?
16:12<V1ll3>i didint see any messages
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16:13<ex0>I want to download and install filezilla, but I don't know which version I need.. i586 or x86-x64 ..
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16:13<V1LL3>aah.. now with irssi
16:13<V1LL3>that i can use
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16:14<V1LL3>Irssi v0.8.15
16:15<V1LL3>Hmm, maybe i come again sometime......
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16:19<thd>how do I stop "^C" showing up when I press CTRL + C ?
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16:20<mjt>stop pressing Ctrl+C ? ;)
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16:20<catsup>where does it show that
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16:21<thd>directly on the command line : # ls bla^C
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16:21<retrospectacus>ex0: apt-get install filezilla
16:21<catsup>i don't have that in bash
16:22<catsup>are you using bash?
16:22<mjt>mjt@gandalf:~$ ls bla^C
16:22<mjt>this one?
16:22<retrospectacus>mjt: I have the same problem... it does this on squeeze but not lenny
16:22<thd>and yes, I'm using bash
16:22<thd>I'm on sid
16:22<mjt>is this a, well, _problem_ ?? ;)
16:23<thd>well, I don't like it, as when I copy and paste a line it's in the way :-)
16:23<retrospectacus>it can be annoying if you want to copy and paste a line you cancelled earlier
16:23<mjt>lenny's bash didn't show it
16:23<thd>also, it actually removes a character
16:24<catsup>well i guess it's bash either not preventing the SIGTINT from causing the terminal to output the ^C, or handling it by printing ^C
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16:25<mjt> This document details the changes between this version, bash-2.04-devel, and the previous version, bash-2.03-release. .....
16:25<mjt> i. The quoted-insert code will now insert tty special chars like ^C
16:25<mjt>in lenny bash was 2.03
16:25<mjt>i think
16:25<retrospectacus>what document is that?
16:25<catsup>check bash changelog
16:25<catsup>you did :p
16:25<mjt>that's bash changelog ;)
16:26<mjt>but i guess it's not that
16:26<catsup>yeah that's it
16:26<mjt>in lenny it was 3.2-4, not 2.03
16:26<catsup>oh yeah
16:26<catsup>but maybe it's disabled by debian
16:26<catsup>it must be
16:27<mjt>h. New bindable variable: echo-control-characters. If enabled, and the tty ECHOCTL bit is set, controls the echoing of characters corresponding to keyboard-generated signals.
16:27*catsup <3 mjt
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16:28<retrospectacus>how do you change that variable?
16:28<thd>is the variable echo-control-characters ?
16:28<ex0>retrospectacus: I wanted the latest version..
16:28<ex0>retrospectacus: I installed the i586 version and works fine
16:28<catsup>is that a readline variable?
16:29<retrospectacus>ex0: yes it would. The 64-bit could work better but would not work at all if your OS is not 64-bit
16:29<mjt>that variable can be set in inputrc, yes it's readline variable
16:29<catsup>(if so, put it in /etc/inputrc)
16:29<mjt>or in ~/.inputrc
16:29<ex0>I want to install Docky on debian Lenny 5, how can I do it from repositories?
16:30<mjt>i'd not even noticed this change ;)
16:30<retrospectacus>,versions docky
16:30<judd>Package docky on i386 -- sid: 2.0.6-2; squeeze: 2.0.6-2; experimental: 2.0.7-1
16:30<dpkg>First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add ONLY a <deb-src> line for sid to /etc/apt/sources.list 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
16:30<retrospectacus>ex0: ^^
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16:31<catsup>does docky look like osx?
16:32<ex0>retrospectacus: thanks ya
16:32<thd>more .inputrc
16:32<thd>set echo-control-characters off
16:32<thd>that works
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16:32<thd>thanks a lot :-)
16:32<mjt>thd: you need to include /etc/inputrc in there
16:32<mjt>or else you'll lose lots of useful stuff
16:33<thd>just source it ?
16:33<retrospectacus>I put "set echo-control-characters off" in my /etc/inputrc but a frsh terminal still prints ^C
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16:33<thd>let me move it to /etc/inputrc and see if it still works
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16:34<thd>yap, in /etc/inputrc and it works, no more ^C
16:34<catsup>hm, echo-control-characters doesn't work for me either (in /etc/inputrc)
16:35<catsup>and vim's syntax highlighting doesn't recognize it
16:36<catsup>bizarre :|
16:36<thd>how bout if you put it in your local .inputrc ?
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16:36<ex0>retrospectacus: emm E: La dependencia Build-Depends en docky no puede satisfacerse porque ninguna versión (ES)
16:36<catsup>thd: same thing
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16:37<mjt>catsup: if you have local ~/.inputrc that'd explain it
16:37<thd>got to love it when the setting works on one machine and not another :(
16:37<catsup>mjt: i didn't
16:37<ex0>retrospectacus: Build-Depends dependency on docky not be satisfied because no available version of the package cli-common-dev version meets the requirements
16:37<mjt>how readline searches for its stuff is described - in bash manpage too
16:37<catsup>nor do i now for that matter
16:37<mjt>there's also $INPUTRC which controls that
16:38<ex0>retrospectacus: when I did "apt-get build-dep docky"
16:38<catsup>i don't have echo-control-characters in info rluserman
16:38<mjt>also if bash is executed as sh it does some things differently
16:38<mjt>catsup: and that info is how old?
16:38<catsup>well it's lenny
16:39<retrospectacus>ex0: well you can try to <ssb> cli-common-dev but it's getting ugly - upgrade to squeeze?
16:39<catsup>but wasn't this added way back in bash 2.03?
16:39<catsup>maybe it was just always broken since then
16:40<catsup>(to be clear -- i'm trying to *enable* the ^C -- just to see if it works)
16:40<ex0>retrospectacus: It's risky? .. I dont want to crash my SO
16:40<ex0>retrospectacus: SO = OS*
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16:40<ex0>retrospectacus: And, I will need to install again my video drivers? (fglrx)
16:41<catsup>i guess i give up on inputrc, dinner time
16:41<retrospectacus>ex0: yes upgrading to squeeze is risky and you will have to redo the graphics
16:41<mjt>catsup: it were added in bash-4
16:41<catsup>mjt: oh
16:41<mjt>that's why lenny's bash does not show ^C
16:42<catsup>well there you go
16:43<ex0>retrospectacus: I will upgrade.. Is nessesary stop X?
16:43<retrospectacus>catsup: apparently bash 4.0 prints them and ignores the echo-control-characters variable. v.4.1 is OK
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16:43<retrospectacus>ex0: no but I would recommend it
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16:43<retrospectacus>ex0: ask dpkg about lenny->squeeze
16:44<ex0>retrospectacus: When finish to download I'll stop X, thanks ..
16:44<ex0>retrospectacus: how? xd
16:44<retrospectacus>ex0: /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze
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16:57<traffickr>chealer: thanks it happened while executing a script, apparently i had to update the libs
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17:04<Anathemize>Uggg the google and wine repos are acting "malformed" again =/
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17:11<Anathemize>is there a way to install the 32 bit libgl on a 64bit system?
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17:12<Anathemize>oh i need to install proprietary video drivers it seems =/
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17:18<And1>Hi folks, how do I find out which cpu I'm using, which graphics card, etc...?
17:18<And1>(In my terminal.)
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17:19<devil>And1: lspci, lsusb, uname -r, dmidecode
17:19<petemc>!whats my hardware
17:19<dpkg>You can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, lshal, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw, or even dmesg to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have, or you could crack the lid and look inside ... oooh, shiny! If you install lshw, run "lshw -html > myhardware.html" as root and you'll have a nice HTML summation. See also <myram>, <driver locator>.
17:19<devil>the first 2 can be combined with -nn/-vv to be more verbose
17:20<retrospectacus>also: cat /proc/cpuinfo
17:23<And1>Great thanks! :)
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17:26<Anathemize>how do i stop x to adjust my video drivers?
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17:28<jhutchins_lt>Anathemize: You really don't have to. xrandr can do it on-the-fly, and most desktops have the ability to make the change while "live", but if you're doing things from the console you may be able to use ctrl-alt-backspace to kill x, or log out and log back in, and/or restart the Display Manager (xdm, gdm, kdm, etc.).
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17:36<xchat>!stfn #del#
17:36<dpkg>stfn #del# is, like, Hey you fucking nerd, you think you know all the answers huh you fuckin geek motherfucking negro, how many women have you touched in your life? huh, what, let me guess, you spend 15+ hours on the computer a day, huh, so instead of telling me to RTFM, or man whatever, just answer me, BITCH
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17:43<xchat>!stfn #del#
17:44<Anathemize>how can i figure out why the fglrx driver will not build correctly?
17:45<retrospectacus>Anathemize: you put as much detail as possible in a pastebin and post the paste url in here :)
17:46<Anathemize>how do i copy the log file out of module assistant? is there a created text file somewhere?
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17:47<compaq>I deleted a bunch of log files from /var/log/apache2 and now apache2 won't start
17:48<Anathemize>thats the entire log from module assistant
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17:50<retrospectacus>Anathemize: check google, that looks familiar
17:50<retrospectacus>compaq: can it write new logs?
17:51<retrospectacus>Anathemize: the error is: implicit declaration of function "compat_alloc_user_space"
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17:51<compaq>retrospectacus, yep, it still writes to it, and it say in the error.log that "unable to find logs"
17:52<compaq>retrospectacus, actually, I have setup bhosts
17:52<compaq>retrospectacus, vhost
17:52<compaq>retrospectacus, maybe I have a typo there about the vhost error log location
17:52<Anathemize>Theres a bug report saying it has been fixed but not migrated to squeeze yet do I just have to wait for the fix
17:52<edbian>Is there a difference in responsiveness between noatime, relatime, and simply default on my root and home partitions?
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17:56<mjt>edbian: default now is relatime
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18:02<edbian>mjt, Thanks
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18:04<retrospectacus>compaq: sorry, I don't know, and I have to go to work
18:06<mjt>edbian: the new default (relatime) is probably the best - it does not perform "too many" unnecessary updates yet keeps things under control
18:06<mjt>but i guess you wont notice a difference anyway in most cases
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18:06<edbian>mjt, K thanx
18:06<rpetre>mjt: when did it become default?
18:07<mjt>in kernel 2.6.30 or so
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18:07<rpetre>oh, so it's not debian specific? cool
18:08<compaq>retrospectacus, good day
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18:09<edbian>Is it possible to benchmark driver performance in linux? I'd like to compare the radeon driver with the fglrx driver.
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18:15<edbian>I have a related question. What might cause crappy responsiveness in my browser? Some browsers are better than others but flash is pitifull. I can't even use it on most sites. Strangely though flash on youtube works much better. On any page that has more than text scrolling is terrible. Lastly, while firefox is loading a page the entire GUI pretty much ignores me. Any ideas?
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18:21<vook>flash just doesn't work real well period - it's a cpu hog at times and spirals out of control. In my experience, sadly, Chrome in linux has given me the most stable flash performance.
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18:23<edbian>vook, Thanks
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18:38<compaq>How do I give the 'apache' user r/w access to some directory I have made?
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18:41<vook>change the group owner of the directory to apache
18:42<vook>or some other group, and make apache a member
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18:46<compaq>vook, thanks
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18:47<compaq>vook, what other users are there, how do I see a list of the users like apache?
18:47<vook>compaq: cat /etc/passwd
18:48<compaq>vook, I don't see apache in /etc/passwd?
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18:48<vook>compaq: it may be www-data
18:48<compaq>vook, yep, I see that one
18:49<vook>compaq: that can be dangerous
18:49<vook>I think
18:49<compaq>vook, oh, I won't then
18:50<vook>maybe, I dunno. I'm paranoid
18:50<vook>sounds dangerous
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18:50<compaq>vook, when I start apache, it fails, and then when I look in /var/log/apache/error.log it says, unable to open logs, so the I saw this link that mentioned something like, apache doesn't have access
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18:51<vook>are you attempting to look at the logs as root ?
18:52<compaq>vook, hmm, not sure, when I view /var/log/apache/error.log I am root, and when I run /etc/init.d/apache2 start, I am root
18:52<vook>that's weird - I haven't had that issue
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18:52<catsup>motherfucking ssh >:|
18:53<vook>compaq: is your user a member of adm ?
18:53<compaq>vook, you know the directory /var/log/apache, it was full of stuff with .gz, and I thought I would make room by deleted them, but I kept error.log and access.log
18:53<vook>compaq: it's a good idea to hold onto those logs and make room for them.
18:54<compaq>vook, I figured they were old
18:55<vook>compaq: are you straped for hard drive space ? Do you give var a partition ?
18:55<compaq>vook, they looked like backup old logs, so I thought I was making it fresh by deleting them and make new fresh error.log and access.log files
18:55<compaq>vook, yeah, my disk was full
18:55<vook>compaq: you can always make a directory on a partition with space, and then symlink to it.
18:55<catsup>ssh localhost 'echo 1:$SSH_CLIENT'; ssh localhost sh -c 'echo 2:$SSH_CLIENT'
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18:55<catsup>anyone have a clue wtf that is about?
18:55<vook>compaq: I always do that with /var/cache/apt/archives/
18:56<compaq>vook, why do you keep those files, I just delete them?
18:57<vook>yeah, I dunno. It's only 96mb on my server. I've got 2tb.
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18:58<compaq>vook, sweet, I can't wait to get a new computer, but the prices have stayed the same for like over 2 years, I am waiting for a price drop
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18:59<vook>compaq: maybe you can change the default compressor to bz2. at the cost of some CPU time, it'd reduce log size by at least 20%
18:59<compaq>vook, I wish I spent the money 2 years ago, but now, it would be a waist
18:59<vook>compaq: and there's probably a way to change the default purge cycle
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18:59<compaq>vook, those logs were't even taking up that much space. I installed all these ide's and java from source, and so I deleted them and I was fine
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19:00<compaq>vook, they were like 100mb each
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19:00<compaq>vook, I wish my computer could use sata, cause sata drives are cheap now, but the ide drives are still expensive
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19:01<vook>compaq: you should be able to use those sata drives with an ide controller - I think so.
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19:01<vook>They won't operate with those features - there will be a bottleneck (your ide controller), but I think they will work.
19:01<jhutchins_lt>vook: Um, no, completely different connection.
19:01<vook>oh, ya
19:02<compaq>vook, I think you need a main board that has sata plugs and you need a pwr supply that has sata plugs too
19:02<jhutchins_lt>Serial ATA vs Parallel.
19:02<jhutchins_lt>You can, however, get a SATA adapter pretty cheaply.
19:02<vook>maybe adapters. I'm out of it - out of the hardware deal. It's passed me by.
19:03<jhutchins_lt>compaq: Get a SATA card.
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19:03<compaq>I am just going to buy a whole new computer, cause I want a faster chip, dvdrom bigger hd, so might as well get a whole new computer
19:03<compaq>dvdrw I mean
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19:04<compaq>I would like to buy dual cpu, but those machines are always so loud. I guess I could just remove the fans
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19:05<vook>compaq: if it's a server, they aren't always that loud - loud at boot, but the fans get really quiet on some after a few minutes (after all of the acpi modules load).
19:05<compaq>vook, even the intelistations are loud
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19:06<vook>compaq: maybe you're looking for a laptop.
19:06<vook>or a Mac tower
19:06<compaq>vook, no, desktop
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19:06<compaq>vook, I'll get dell, hp, or ibm
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19:08<compaq>The dual core and the like, they aren't as fast as a dual chip, but they heat up so much
19:08<vook>ibm's are nice, and dells too. I used to work for compaq, and when HP bought them out (and Fiorina took over), the company went south. This is probably offtopic though.
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19:08<vook>I'm to blame
19:08<compaq>vook, I still like compaq, when I say hp, its usually compaq that I buy
19:08<xchat>compaq, how much CPU usage are we talking about? most cpus can dynclock to adjust power usage
19:09<compaq>well, I have a dual core laptop, and I had dual core desktop, and they heat up so much, that I thought there was something wrong and returned the desktop, but then I ended up keeping the laptop, and it hasn't broken yet. But I thought it was going to burn up
19:10<vook>comon folks, we can chat away in #debian-offtopic
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19:10<compaq>I want to get my web server vhosting working
19:10<xchat>compaq, did you try the cpufreq tools?
19:11<catsup>ssh localhost sh -c "'echo \$#'" 'a b c d'; ssh localhost sh -c "'echo \$#'" a b c d
19:11<xchat>compaq, that, and powertop
19:11<catsup>check out the output of that one, ladies & gents
19:11<compaq>xchat, never used them, wait, you mean in the bios? no, I just thought it was a defect machine. Why your dual core isn't hot, my laptop is hot right now
19:11<compaq>actually, its not that bad right now
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19:20<pinko91>Hi all, i need help with aptitude. i've installed egroupware and I have entered a wrong sql root password. Installation has failed. How can i reinstall the package ? (aptitude reinstall egroupware does not work. it doesn't reconfigure the package!)
19:20<babilen>pinko91: What about "dpkg-reconfigure egroupware" ?
19:20<celtic>catsup: frankly, I'm not surprised
19:20<celtic>ssh does all sorts of rubbish escaping/unescaping
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19:21<ex0>Hello.. I have problems trying to install ATI drivers on Squeeze ..
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19:21<babilen>ex0: Please elaborate …
19:21<catsup>well, it's a god damned outrage
19:21<pinko91>babilen: it desn't work
19:21<zy>compaq: I had a compaq laptop once which suffers overheating too, I used to use cpulimit to mitigate the issue
19:21<catsup>it's a security flaw
19:21<celtic>catsup: I wouldn't go that far.
19:21<catsup>oh yes
19:21<ex0>babilen: ? (bad english)
19:22<catsup>it is a security flaw
19:22<celtic>ex0: he means, please continue to describe the problem. What problems?
19:22<babilen>ex0: More details :)
19:22<celtic>catsup: how is it a security flaw?
19:22<celtic>Anything is a security flaw if you don't know how it accepts input
19:22<compaq>zy, no, my desktop is compaq, my laptop is ibm
19:22<catsup>celtic: for the same reason that find without -print0 is a security flaw
19:23<catsup>celtic: because multiple distinct inputs are squashed
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19:23<celtic>not a security flaw, a useful tool for interactive use; just don't use it as part of a pipeline.
19:23<compaq>zy, I was mentioning that the dual core and quad core and the like, cpu's were really hot, not any particular brand of computer
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19:23<ex0>Emm.. I compiled the module fglrx, when I do "startx" the screen goes black
19:23<catsup>this provides an opportunity for various attacks
19:23<catsup>depending on the calling coe
19:23<ex0>compiled with module-assistant
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19:24<celtic>catsup: only if the calling code doesn't know about ssh's input mangling behaviour.
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19:24<catsup>well, what the caller has to do is output shell script escapes
19:24<babilen>pinko91: Ok, I assume that you are not asked about the pwd again? It might have been saved somewhere in /etc -- You could try to either change it there and reconfigure or purge/install the package
19:24<zy>Is there any way to modify the scancodes from a USB keyboard ?
19:24<catsup>granted, unlike 'find', this is at least possible
19:24<catsup>but in practice, it doesn't matter
19:24<babilen>catsup: → #debian-offtopic
19:25<ex0>Any idea .. ¿?
19:25<catsup>celtic: i'm not sure what you mean don't use it as part of a pipeline?
19:25<babilen>ex0: We need more details in order to help you. What have you done so far? What errors do you get? (etc)
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19:26<pinko91>babilen: infact it doesnt asked for password. What can i do ? else purge reinstall do not show ncurses-syle window.
19:26<ex0>babilen: I dont remember.. im on windos ....
19:26<babilen>ex0: There are various channels that provide support in other languages than English if you feel more comfortable with that
19:26<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
19:27<celtic>catsup: I mean, running find as an interactive command isn't a security flaw, much like running ls isn't. both find (without -print0) and ls can cause issues if you're using them as inputs to other commands where escaping isn't well defined. anyway, I won't keep clogging up #debian with this
19:27<babilen>ex0: yeah, that :)
19:27<pinko91>babilen: in /etc/egroupware there is only an apache.conf file ... dpkg has leaved the package unconfigured
19:27<ex0>babilen: In debian-es channel nobody help you -.-
19:27<babilen>pinko91: Give me a second. I am not at all familiar with the egroupware package ..
19:27<catsup>celtic: oh, i thought you were talking about ssh
19:28<babilen>!tell ex0 about ati
19:28<babilen>!tell ex0 about radeon
19:28<celtic>not directly.
19:28<pinko91>babilen: you have all the time you ask for !
19:28<zy>Is there any way to modify the scancodes from USB keyboard?
19:28<catsup>i mean, i thought 'ssh' was the referent of 'it', but 'find' was
19:28<celtic>*nod* I get ya
19:28<babilen>ex0: Follow the advice dpkg just PMed you to get started. Come back here when you can tell us about specific errors.
19:29<catsup>zy: modify them how?
19:30<catsup>zy: (the answer is yes)
19:31<zy>catsup: I want the "power" key on the keyboard not generate the same scancode as the "true" power button
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19:32<xchat>zy, look into the acpi-fakekey package
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19:34<zy>xchat: can you explain more? now the key from keyboard and laptop have same scancode and keycode and acpi event, and I do not know how to distinguish them in the system.
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19:37<tool_man>hey guys. I'm having a problem with GDM and GDM3 in squeeze. When GDM/3 starts, the caps lock and num locks activate. It takes a few presses the deactivate either, and they act sporadically. If I use SLiM, this doesn't happen, but I really don't care for SLiM.
19:39<pinko91>can anyone else (apart babilen) help in a package reconfiguration via aptitude ?
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19:40<babilen>pinko91: hang on -- it might help if you describe what you have done so far. Have you setup an egroupware db within mysql and granted the egroupware user access as described in the README.Debian? Did this happen on the first install?
19:40<babilen>pinko91: I am referring to:
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19:41<babilen>pinko91: I would also suggest (just try it): "aptitude purge ~i~n^egroupware" which will purge all egroupware packages and not only the "egroupware" meta-package. You can then install the meta-package again and it might work.
19:41<pinko91>babilen: i'm using not the debian egropuware but egroupware 1.8. the deb repository is provided by developers
19:42<babilen>pinko91: Well ... I guess I can stop reading the Debian package installation scripts then ...
19:43<pinko91>babilen: excuse me if i did not told you first !
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19:45<pinko91>babilen: do you think a manual find / -name "*groupwar*" can help ?
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19:45<babilen>pinko91: the problem is with the mysql login -- it does not allow logins for root without password and their package seems to do that.
19:47<pinko91>babilen: no . their package asks for user/pass to configure the db. th problem is that i have entered the wrong password !
19:47<zy>catsup: can you explain the general method to modify scancodes ?
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19:48<celtic>babilen: is it a question priority thing? (re: egroupware)
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19:49<babilen>pinko91: Ok, do they ship a single package? (i.e. egroupware) Or do they like Debian also use many and a meta-package
19:49<catsup>zy: well, i'm not sure, but i don't think the power button generates a scan code at all, i think it's an acpi event?
19:49<catsup>so, you shouldn't need to modify any scan codes to cause different events to be triggered for the two buttons
19:49<zy>catsup: but `showkey -s` do give output if the button is pressed
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19:49<babilen>celtic: Might be, but (squeeze's) dpkg-reconfigure manpae says that priority is set to low
19:50<pinko91>babilen: meta packages ! here is the repo address deb ./
19:50<celtic>babilen: just read the same thing :/ so not sure either.
19:50<babilen>celtic: on squeeze or lenny?
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19:50<celtic>babilen: uh.. crud. Ubuntu here :/
19:50<zy>catsup: and then they give the same acpi event according to acpi_listen
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19:51<catsup>zy: so, uh, is there a device in /dev/input/by-id/*kbd corresponding to your power button?
19:52<babilen>pinko91: And the aptitude purge command and reinstall doesn't work? What about "dpkg-reconfigure -plow egroupware" ? (try that first)
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19:53<zy>catsup: no, there is only usb mouse and keyboard
19:53<pinko91>babilen: ok purged , now install and then dpkg-reconfigure ?
19:53<babilen>Just install
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19:53<catsup>zy: honestly then i don't understand how a scancode is being generated by it...
19:53<pinko91>babilen: ok ... just a sec please !
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19:54<zy>catsup: I want to try modifying the scancode from keyboard to make it different
19:58<pinko91>babilen: dpkg-reconfigure -plow egroupware has failed
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19:59<catsup>zy: ok, it looks like you can modify the scancode->keycode mapping on a per device basis following these instructions: -- unfortunately there's a broken link there, but seems to be the right one
19:59<babilen>pinko91: And when you installed the packages debconf did not ask about the password?
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20:00<pinko91>babilen: only the first time. not asked anything this time :-(
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20:07<babilen>hmm, I am thinking about editing their scripts, but am not sure if there is not a more elegant solution :-\
20:07<zy>catsup: thanks, I will study these
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20:10<babilen>the questions are set to priority "high" so should be asked
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20:13<babilen>pinko91: What happens if you execute "sh /var/lib/dpkg/info/egroupware.postinst configure" ?
20:13<pinko91>babilen: let's see
20:14<pinko91>babilen: the usual error message
20:15<babilen>pinko91: Another way would be to edit that script and just write your pw in line 56
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20:15<babilen>but that is quite a brute force approach :-\
20:16<pinko91>babilen: ok ... i'm goging to try
20:17<babilen>db_root_pw="$RET" → db_root_pw="YOURCORRECTPASSWORD" -- I am still not sure why you are not asked again and would be happy if someone would shed some light on that.
20:17<babilen>and then dpkg-reconfigure
20:19<babilen>pinko91: hang on ...
20:19<pinko91>ok !
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20:22<babilen_>sorry, lost connection
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20:22<pinko91>babilen: no problem ... you told me to hang on ... i've only edited the file ... no dpkg-reconfiguration
20:22<babilen>I know what happens now -- The password is saved in a database named "egroupware" you might want to remove that database
20:23<babilen>pinko91: And the questions are not asked because the password can be retrieved successfully from the database
20:23<babilen>as the database persists over the installations you are not asked again
20:23<pinko91>babilen: how can dpkg write into a db if it has a wrong password ?
20:24<babilen>good question, but that is how I understood the scripts so far :)
20:25<pinko91>babilen: so ... should i do a dpkg-reconfigure or (better) ceck into sql ?
20:25<pinko91>give me a second ... i'll look into sql !
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20:25<babilen>check mysql if you have a "egroupware" db and either update on of its tables or just drop it ...
20:25<babilen>you should look for db_root_pw
20:28<pinko91>babilen: no. thereisn't a db egroupware
20:29<pinko91>babilen: there is only an information_schema db ... it sounds to me unknown
20:29<babilen_>ok, one second -- i'll have it soon. this is digging deep but we'll learn something
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20:31<pinko91>babilen: information_schema db is a debian sql db. it contains references to many old dbs
20:31<babilen>it's the debconf database
20:32<pinko91>ohhh !
20:33<pinko91>do i have to try for a dpkg-reconfigure ? or do i have to revert to db_root_pw="$RET" ?
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20:34<babilen>I would revert that edit first and I have to figure out why the entry is not removed from the debconf database or how to change it
20:35<babilen>(it was db_root_pw="$RET")
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20:35<pinko91>babilen: in the meanwhile you try to figure out i have to thank you a million for your help !!!
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20:37<oddtod>Hello all.
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20:38<babilen>pinko91: Could you try "/var/lib/dpkg/info/egroupware.postrm purge" ?
20:39<babilen>and then reconfigure -- that should execute the debconf command "db_purge" which should remove the values
20:39<derrick>I'm trying to read a preseed file off a usb stick when installing 5.0.6. I'm booting with the args expert file=/hd-media/preseed.cfg and when d-i tries to load th file, it gives an error. I dropped to a terminal and checked the usb stick, and it's not even mounted. I tried mounting manually and it mounts fine and the file is there. Anyone have any ideas?
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20:40<pinko91>for reconfigure do you mean dpkg-reconfigure egroupware ?
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20:40<babilen>pinko91: Did that script run?
20:41<pinko91>yes ! but w/o any output !
20:41<oddtod>Does anyone know of an application like istat but for linux? istat is a program that runs on mac that shows computer stats like cpu temp / ram usage etc.
20:41<babilen>pinko91: Ok, what about the reconfigure now?
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20:41<pinko91>the same fu**ed error !
20:42<dondelelcaro>oddtod: there are lots of them
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20:42<oddtod>dondelecaro: i was looking for one similar to istat where it drops down with quick keys etc
20:42<babilen>dondelelcaro: Do you know how to change values in the debconf database or remove the entries?
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20:43<themill>babilen: debconf-set-selections
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20:44<babilen>themill: Yes, I found that already, but am not sure why executing the script: either when called by "aptitude purge" or directly with "/var/.../egroupware.postrm purge" still leaves traces behind. Or I am on the wrong path and have to explain the sitution in greater detail.
20:44<dondelelcaro>oddtod: there are all kinds; see freshmeat or if you want screenshots
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20:46<themill>I've not been following carefully (and don't really have time to put into this right now...) to be able to say anything more profound than that, I'm afraid.
20:46<pinko91>babilen: i'm not an expert but look at lines 25-30 of
20:47<pinko91>babilen: is it possible data are in /var/lib/egroupware ?
20:47<pinko91>what if i rm it ?
20:47<babilen>ok -- just a short question: debconf asked for password on first install, does not do so on subsequent installs. I assume that the values are still in the debconf db (who knows why) and therefore not asked again.
20:48<babilen>pinko91: don't start to delete files randomly now please :)
20:48<pinko91>ok ! i'm sorry
20:49<babilen>themill: shouldn't the script is linked remove the entries -- is it a good idea to set them manually with debconf-set-selections (even if not preseeding) ?
20:49<babilen>s/is/I :)
20:54<pinko91>babilen: do i have to execute debconf-set-selections ?
20:55<babilen>pinko91: Probably -- could you install debconf-utils and execute "debconf-get-selections|grep egroupware" and paste the result. (Remove confidential information first)
20:55<pinko91>ok !
20:58<pinko91>here we are !
20:58<pinko91>sql login is root
20:58<pinko91>wrong password is root
20:59<pinko91>now, how do i have to set-selection ???
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21:04<babilen>pinko91: Which values are wrong? For example, to change db_root_pw, you would do (as root): "echo egroupware-core egroupware/db_root_pw string NEWVALUE | debconf-set-selections"
21:05<babilen>replace NEWVALUE with the correct pass
21:06<babilen>pinko91: just one question out of line: Did you actually executed the "aptitude purge ~i~n^egroupware" command earlier?
21:06<babilen>That should have purged "egroupware-core" and removed the values from debconf's database
21:06<pinko91>babilen: yes
21:06<babilen>ok, strange ...
21:07<pinko91>i also tryed a dpkg reconfig of egroupware-core
21:07<babilen>buggy packages
21:07<babilen>ok, then do the debconf-set-selections dance
21:07<pinko91>done |
21:07<pinko91>reconfigure or aptitude reinstall ?
21:08<babilen>reconfigure should suffice
21:08<pinko91>do not work !
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21:09<babilen>same error? the passwords listed by "debconf-get-selections|grep -i egroupware" are correct now?
21:09<pinko91>may i try to echo " " to every egropuware entry with debconf-set-selection ?
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21:10<babilen>please answer my question first -- and i don't quite understand what you want to do. There is not much point in changing values to the exact same value
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21:12<pinko91>babilen: i haven't executed "aptitude purge ~i~n^egroupware". i executed aptitude purge egroupware
21:12<babilen>so, you never executed "aptitude purge ~i~n^egroupware" ?
21:13<pinko91>no never
21:13<babilen>please do that and reinstall the package -- the egroupware-core package was not purged and therefore the values not removed
21:13<pinko91>are you calling me idiot ?
21:14<pinko91>you should do that ! :-)
21:14<babilen>It's just that I mentioned that after I realised that egroupware is a meta-package
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21:15<pelliott>What should a packager do if the upstream source already has a debian subdirectory?
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21:17<pinko91>babilen: it's working !
21:18<babilen>that could have been a lot less work
21:18<babilen>glad it is working now :)
21:18<pinko91>babilen: i'm very sorry for the accident i feel obliged, very obliged, with you !
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21:19<pinko91>babilen: really i have no word to thank you, trust me ! you effort has been really appreciated !
21:19<babilen>pelliott: → #debian-mentors (and don't use it)
21:20<babilen>pinko91: You are welcome
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21:21<pelliott>does that mean it can't be packaged?
21:21<babilen>pelliott: no, not at all
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21:22<pelliott>where does all the debian stuff go? the upstream source already has a debian/control ect.
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21:23<pinko91>babilen: thank you again ... i'm leaving !
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21:23<babilen>pelliott: see "What's wrong with upstream shipping a debian/ directory?"
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21:24<pelliott>I thought the packager was supposed to mess with these?
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21:25<babilen>pelliott: You would write your own and use that in lieu of the upstream ones
21:26<pelliott>But when I write my own would that not overwrite the upstream's versions?
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21:29<babilen>pelliott: you would remove the debian/ directory from foo-1.2.3.orig.tar.gz, name it foo-1.2.3+debian.orig.tar.gz and take it from there. But please, take it to #debian-mentors (or their mailing list)
21:29<babilen>!tell pelliott about mentors
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21:38<alvaradogunner>hello guys
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21:45<alvaradogunner>babilen what is that thing about mentors?
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21:46<celtic>alvaradogunner: bablien left already. he was referring another user to #debian-mentors/the FAQ re: a question about putting together Debian packages
21:47<alvaradogunner>:) ty
21:47<celtic>np :)
21:48<alvaradogunner>what do I need to know to develop stuff for debian?
21:48<celtic>hmm.. maybe start with NM guide?
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21:48<celtic>more here:
21:49<celtic>depends what you mean by "develop stuff"! :)
21:50<alvaradogunner>yeah i meant howto help
21:50<celtic>I'd suggest reading the last link there; it covers the different aspects of ways to contribute pretty thoroughly
21:51<alvaradogunner>but i mean, should i need to be a very skillful programmer to code stuff or somethin?
21:52<celtic>hmm. there's more work than just coding, but if you're interested in packaging, then programming experience definitely helps a lot.
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21:53<Silicium01>Is it possible to configure Debian in a way that it would automatically switch displays?
21:54<dondelelcaro>Silicium01: automatically switch displays how?
21:54<Silicium01>for example, I want to have attached screen become the only active display when I connect my laptop to a screen, but when I disconnect, I would like to have laptop display reactivate on it's own
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21:55<Silicium01>dondelelcaro, I'm connecting a 1920x1080 screen to a 1440X900 screen laptop
21:56<dondelelcaro>Silicium01: I'm not sure if there is a dbus event sent when something is connected to the screen (and you'd generally not want to do that automatically), but it'd be pretty simple to have a script switch back and forth
21:56<dondelelcaro>s/a dbus/an/
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21:57<Silicium01>Not simple for me :)
21:58<alvaradogunner>Im having trouble with that too
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22:09<qwertz>making dvd backups with gnomebaker isn't working (never tried before). could this be due to some sort of copy protection mechanism?
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22:11<cnet>help-me plz
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22:12<blarson>!tell cnet about ask
22:12<cnet>help-me plzzzzzzzz
22:12<thrice>cnet, ask a question
22:12<cnet>a moment plz
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22:14<cnet>a question
22:14<cnet>'ll set my bind on debian 5.6 and says I'm not allowed to root and root soon as someone knows the solution?
22:15<qwertz>talk about vague.... so gnomebaker won't make images of certain dvds?
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22:16<celtic>qwertz: any particular error messages?
22:17<qwertz>not that i'm aware of
22:17<qwertz>want verbose output?
22:17<celtic>Could help. (pastebin it?)
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22:17<cnet>nobody will not answer me?
22:18<celtic>cnet: your question is a bit vague. What are you trying to install or do, precisely? Is it an error while installing BIND?
22:18<cnet>I'll set my bind on debian 5.6 and says I'm not allowed to root and root soon as someone knows the solution?
22:18<qwertz>cnet, you're asking a very vague question without much detail
22:18<celtic>cnet: what do you mean by "set your bind on debian 5.6"?
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22:19<qwertz>see for gnomebaker output
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22:20<celtic>qwertz: ... wow.. that's helpful of it.
22:20<cnet>bind is installed, the problem ta time to configure it
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22:20<celtic>cnet: what are you doing to try to configure it?
22:20<oddtod>is there a way to bing applications to different either lan adapters? i have two different connection coming into my PC.
22:21<celtic>qwertz: I can't see a particular problem, nor any reports recently of gnomebaker acting up on DVDs. does dmesg or /var/log/syslog have anything recently about the DVD or the DVD device?
22:21<qwertz>oddtod, yes
22:21<cnet>I'm using a very detailed tutorial
22:22<celtic>cnet: and what step are you doing when you have a problem? Do you get an error message?
22:22<qwertz>oddtod, try changing your firewall settings
22:23<cnet>when I change the domain names and I will save the debian speech that I have no permissions for this
22:23<oddtod>qwertz: thank you.
22:23<qwertz>celtic: /var/log/syslog says "Nov 17 22:20:20 left hald: unmounted /dev/hdd from '/media/DVD_VIDEO' on behalf
22:23<qwertz>of uid 1000
22:23<celtic>cnet: okay, let us know what it says.
22:23<celtic>qwertz: sounds like it's just the regular message saying that it's unmounted the DVD.
22:24<cnet>a moment
22:24<cnet>printscreen ???
22:24<celtic>I wonder, it wouldn't be an issue like the fact that it's mounted, would it? I'm pretty sure I've made an image of a mounted dvd/cd before
22:24<celtic>!tell cnet about pastebin
22:24<celtic>cnet: see dpkg's message to you
22:24<celtic>you can submit it there and let us know the URL
22:25<qwertz>celtic: dmesg has even less information... nothing helpful as far as i can tell
22:26<celtic>qwertz: great. :/ running dmesg as root? IIRC sometimes it doesn't show everything when run as a user, but I doubt that's it.
22:26<celtic>I'm out of ideas, other than trying another tool :/
22:26<celtic>It could possibly be copy protection, but I'm not sure of what form or how best to evade it
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22:29<qwertz>whoa! ok, i put the original disk back in, see
22:29<celtic>yep, definitely copy protection
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22:30<celtic>cnet: ?
22:30<qwertz>that's sort of good, means i don't necessarily have a bad drive
22:30<celtic>quite right :p
22:31<qwertz>seems that i should be able to do a dd and dump the dvd contents to an image or is this wrong thinking?
22:31<kop>qwertz: I found I had to flash hacked firmware on my drive.
22:31<celtic>qwertz: I'm thinking that won't be possible; the errors you're seeing are being emitted by the drive itself
22:31<kop>qwertz: dd does not always work. They built DRM into the drive.
22:31<celtic>so it may be as kop suggests.
22:31<cnet>when I set up my site in named.conf and after modifying it, debian does not let him say that I do not have root permissions
22:32<celtic>cnet: you may need to run your editor as root.
22:32<celtic>cnet: the problem is that your user doesn't have permission to edit named.conf. you may need to use su or sudo, or login as an administrator (same thing) to edit it.
22:32<qwertz>kop: if i were to do such a thing would i need any special hardware or is it as simple as running some commands in a terminal?
22:33<kop>qwertz: I forget the details.
22:33<cnet>but since I put my password and login to root but it still does not give me permissions friend What do I do?
22:34<celtic>cnet: double check that. what happens if you type "id" at the command line? further, what editor are you using?
22:35<qq->cnet, have to edit /etc/named.conf.local not /etc/named.conf
22:35<celtic>qwertz: this may (?) be relevant:
22:35<cnet>estou usando o gedit
22:36<kop>qwertz: Mostly by reflashing the firmware you get rid of region encoding and such-like. I think you still need a program like dvdbackup (or equalivent) to rip. dd just won't work, I think.
22:36<cnet>I'm using gedit
22:36<celtic>cnet: no probs. if you're using gedit, how are you making sure it's running as root?
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22:37<qwertz>thanks for the suggestions
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22:37<celtic>qwertz: good luck.
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22:37<cnet>I get the path to that file is / etc / bind / named.conf
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22:38<cnet>I have
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22:39<cnet>how to find out if he 's running as root?
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22:40<celtic>cnet: "whoami" or "id" at the command line.
22:42<cnet>celtic: melhor, me ensina a logar como root ae vou conseguir configurar ele
22:43<cnet>celtic: rather, teach me to login as root to and I can configure it
22:44<celtic>cnet: you need to use "su", or perhaps the "Root Terminal" option under Accessories (?). I forget where it is in GNOME, actually.
22:44<celtic>then start gedit from there.
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22:46<cnet>celtic: ready typed su and put my password and now what I do
22:46<qq-> gedit
22:47<dpkg>well, bind is the Berkeley Internet Name Daemon, a Domain Name System (DNS) server. To install: "aptitude install bind9 bind9-doc". See also <bind9 lenny>, <bind9 chroot>. #bind on
22:48<cnet>celtic: I was editing it and the same thing "is not possible to save the changes"
22:49<celtic>cnet: are you editing named.conf or named.conf.local?
22:49<cnet>You do not have the necessary permissions to save this file. Please make sure you typed the location correctly and try to
22:50<celtic>can you execute "ls -l /etc/bind/named.conf" in a terminal and show the output?
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22:53<compaq>oh do you fix this "unable to open logs" error for apache2
22:54<abrotman>does the directory exist?
22:55<abrotman>and the www-data user has write access ot the dir and the files ?
22:56<compaq>abrotman, seriously, ok, so I would chown www-data /home/www
22:56<abrotman>hold on .. you keep your logs in /home/ ?
22:56<compaq>abrotman, I don't understand all this stuff
22:56<abrotman>This is the Internet .. It's a series of tubes ..
22:56<compaq>abrotman, well I have vhost, so /home/www/
22:57<compaq>abrotman, and /home/www/
22:57<abrotman>compaq: and woh owns /home/www/ ? "ls -ld /home/www/"
22:58<compaq>abrotman, abrotman root
22:58<celtic>cnet: never..?
22:58<abrotman>compaq: pretty sure i don't own it :)
22:58<compaq>abrotman, hehe, no sorry, root owns it. I created them as root
22:59<cnet>celtic: sorry friend but the command line that you gave me I typed in the console and not change anything
22:59<abrotman>compaq: okay .. that's fine .. it's root:adm ? who owns the files inside ?
22:59<celtic>cnet: no no - I want you to tell me what that command outputs.
22:59<celtic>cnet: does it start with "-rw-r--r--"? or "-r--r--r--"? or something else?
23:00<compaq>abrotman, no, not sure about :adm, this is ls -ld output drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096
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23:00<abrotman>well, that's good enough .. who owns the actual contents
23:00<compaq>abrotman, root
23:01<abrotman>that will likely not work
23:01<compaq>abrotman, its wierd, because it was working before, but now it isn't, And I am not sure what I did, except I deleted some of the files /var/logs/apache2
23:01<abrotman>some of the files?
23:02<compaq>abrotman, yeah, there were a whole bunch of gz logs and I deleted them and just left access.log and error.log and deleted error.1.log and error.1.log.gz or something like that, I forget, but I read some and they were old logs
23:03<abrotman>does it tell you which log it can't write to ?
23:03<cnet>celtic: those commands that you are talking about and in the named.conf file or the console?
23:03<celtic>cnet: console
23:04<cnet>a moment
23:04<abrotman>compaq: i have to head to bed .. but it sounds like your log files aren't writable by the apache user ...
23:04<compaq>abrotman, nope, when I start apache, it just says failed in red font, and then when I look in /var/logs/apache2 I see it added a line that read "unable to find logs"
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23:04<abrotman>it usually tells you the exact file ..
23:04*abrotman needs to sleep
23:05<compaq>abrotman, g'night, thanks for the help
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23:06<cnet>celtic: friend sends me again to the command I put in the console please
23:06<celtic>cnet: ls -l /etc/bind/named.conf
23:08<cnet>celtic: -rw-r--r--
23:08<celtic>cnet: okay. I believe your gedit is not running as root. you need to "su" to root first successfully. if you type "whoami", it should say "root". then type "gedit" to run gedit from there
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23:11<cnet>celtic: whoami friend typed in the console and he speak a line under root and now What it means?
23:12<celtic>okay. make sure gedit is closed - then type "gedit" in that console.
23:12<celtic>try editing with that one.
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23:18<cnet>celtic: Buddy worked bugger could change the file. earned love you, I'm almost a week breaking the head with it thanks.
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23:19<cnet>celtic: I LOVE YOU MAN
23:19<celtic>cnet: Great! I'm glad it worked for you cnet :D :D
23:19<cnet>very very good celtic a good man tanks
23:20<qq->!tell cnet about bind
23:20<celtic>qq-: good idea!
23:21<celtic>cnet: good luck!
23:21<cnet>bye friends good night all
23:21<cnet>bye bye
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23:24<compaq> THIS here does not work for me
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23:29<j4k312>:~$ make love
23:29<j4k312>make: *** No rule to make target `love'. Stop.
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23:39<celtic>j4k312: howdy
23:39<j4k312>how is everyone this fine evening
23:39<celtic>fine :) (still early afternoon here.)
23:39<j4k312>its cold here in the west coast :/
23:39<j4k312>ohh im in the usa
23:40<j4k312>afternoon looked like dusk all day anyway here all clouds
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23:47<dpkg>#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
23:48<xchat>!gafom j4k312
23:48<dpkg>Hey j4k312, check out the #debian give-a-fuck-o-meter,
23:50<celtic>image link fail?
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23:54<zy>Anyone has experience of modifying keymap with hal? I added to the device, but seemingly they are ignored.
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