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01:25<jerryclunsford>I have a program that has to run in csh shell. Can this be done in a terminal by going to usr/bin and then csh? I have installed csh.
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01:30<jm_>that makes little sense - why would it need to be run from csh?
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01:34<jerryclunsford>it is weather simulation/ forcast program on their website and documentation it states that csh or tcsh is required I have tried it in both it said it installed but i can't get it to run. run
01:34<jm_>what's the URL?
01:34<jm_>and what's the error?
01:37<jerryclunsford>Can't locate in @INC (@INC contains: /strc/ems_util /strc/ems_prep /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.10.0 /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.0 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.10 /usr/share/perl/5.10 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at ./ems_prep line 24.
01:38<jerryclunsford>I have checked and the file that it can not find is located in in the first directory it lists /strc/ems_util
01:39<jerryclunsford>It is not required to be in all of those directories Is it.
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02:02<jm_>jerryclunsford: that looks like a problem with the tool
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02:03<jm_>jerryclunsford: or you installed it in wrong location
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02:04<jerryclunsford>well I just found out that the way I was trying change shells was not right
02:05<jm_>shell doesn't matter for this
02:05<jerryclunsford>they said it did
02:06<jm_>where exactly?
02:06<jerryclunsford>it prompted for the install location and had a place to enter the desired installed location.
02:08<jerryclunsford> The T|C shell must be installed on the system – Linux purists may get all upset about this requirement but that’s just the way it is for now; however, it will likely change in the future. Note that in many current Linux releases, the default is not to install tcsh, so you may have to install it separately.
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02:09<jerryclunsford>it is on the computer requirements page I cut and pasted one of the refferences
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02:10<jm_>right, so I guess they have some scripts for csh
02:11<jerryclunsford>do you know the syntax chsh
02:11<jm_>just some basics
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02:14<jm_>it's odd that INC contains /strc/ems_util but it can't find in it
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02:15<jm_>does strace show it's trying to find it there?
02:17<jerryclunsford>It probably didn't install correctly as I did not the shell changed like I thought I did before the install ran
02:18<jerryclunsford>I will have to try re installing after I find out how to change the shell
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02:19<jm_>chsh to change the shell
02:20<jerryclunsford>this is how a web site says t change the shell sh-3.2:~$ chsh Enter the new value, or press return for the default Login Shell [/bin/bash]: /bin/bash
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02:22<jm_>but you want to specify csh there
02:22<jerryclunsford>Unfortunately I don't understand that. I need a example. i know the path to the csh shell and I know my login name has to be in there some where but don't know how to put it together
02:22<jm_>so /bin/tcsh
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02:23<jm_>just enter this: /bin/tcsh<enter>
02:23<jerryclunsford>and then log out and in?
02:24<jerryclunsford>that way but didn't log out and in
02:25<jerryclunsford>The first place I found it didn't say anything about logging out and in
02:25<jerryclunsford>Thanks jm one of these year I'll learn something
02:26<jerryclunsford>Take it easy I'm off and on again
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02:49<macarthur>maybe someone here can explain this weird issue that i seem to be having with my HDD. I have mapped /home/macarthur/Downloads to a seperate partition from the rest of the system. it's reportedly only 430.3GB even though the partition size is 469GB. Is there any reason why sid would be reporting the capacity improperly in nautilus?
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02:56<jm_>macarthur: which fs?
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02:56<jm_>it reserves 5% for root by default, so change that and you'll be able to download more porn
02:57<macarthur>porn? O_o why the hell would i download porn?
02:57<macarthur>on my old one all of my various new debs/isos were using the most data. so thus i decided to change it. Adn the 'root' is the reserved space correct?
02:58<jm_>you can tune this with tune2fs tool, look at -m switch
02:58<macarthur>the root space is the reserved blocks is the thing i was asking about. I was asking if it was.
02:58<macarthur>because i knwo that it reserves some 'block space' for error rates and such.
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03:55<silverbirch>hi can anyone tell me if there's an ebook reader in the repos please
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03:57<Swat->After upgrading my desktop I ran into boot problems (lvm's that were not activated by default). Now i booted into single user mode and trying to fix the error with: dpkg-reconfigure lvm2. This gives me the error:
03:58<SuperPaco69>does any one knows what happened with the arichra IRC channel??
03:58<jordanm>arichra? was that a debina channel?
03:59<jordanm>Swat-: was it a lenny -> squeeze upgrade?
03:59<Swat->Nope, not a distupgrade, just some packages.
04:00<jordanm>Swat-: on what release?
04:00<jm_>silverbirch: ebook as in?
04:01<Swat->jordanm: squeeze/sid
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04:01<jordanm>Swat-: do you have a backup?
04:01<Swat->jordanm: No :)
04:02<silverbirch>jm_, apparently there's software for reading books or text converted for specifically reading on computer
04:02<jordanm>Swat-: show a head on that file
04:02<jordanm>Swat-: /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/DbDriver/
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04:03<Swat->But let me show something weird:
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04:03<silverbirch>jm_, I haven't researched it too much but know there's various apps like apple to read these ebooks
04:03<jm_>silverbirch: yes but which format?
04:03<jordanm>silverbirch: figuring out what file format it is will be helpful to finding an application to read it
04:04<jordanm>Swat-: your filesystem is corrupt. restore from backup...
04:04<jordanm>Swat-: or, hope its that one file and try to replace it...
04:05<Swat->jordanm: meh.
04:05<silverbirch>jm_, jordanm oh obviously it's a lot more complicated that I thought. I've just seen the books advertised and thought I might try it
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04:06<Swat->jordanm: gonno try to copy some files, but it doesn't look good :-/
04:07<jm_>silverbirch: calibre is a versatile open source ebook manager, it includes a reader too IIRC
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04:09<silverbirch>jm_, yes that has appeared in my googling - will take a look
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04:49<lr>I have a question about debian flash plugin
04:49<lr>May U help me?
04:49<devil>lr: ust aks please
04:49<lr>In lenny default flash plugin crasher
04:49<lr>In lenny default flash plugin crash
04:50<lr>I've installed new plug from adobe version 10
04:50<lr>but when I maximize windows all browser crash and will close
04:51<lr>all browsers when I maximize window will crash
04:51<jm_>lr: using iceweasel 3.6 should prevent browser from crashing, but plugin will still crash; to solve plugin crashes you need to contact adobe
04:51<lr>How can I solve the inconvenience?
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04:51<Nemoder>lr: what is your video hardware?
04:51<lr>I try other pugin for youtube and other flash site but it doesn't work
04:51<lr>ati 9600
04:52<Nemoder>open source drivers or proprietary?
04:52<lr>but in my computer network I have other computers
04:52<lr>open souce
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04:52<lr>I made the defalut debian installation
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04:53<Nemoder>32bit or 64bit?
04:53<lr>I jave a pentium 4 with 1256 mb
04:54<lr>I have a pentium 4 with 1256 mb 32 bit
04:54<lr>I have a pentium 4 3.0 ghz with 1256 mb 32 bit
04:54<lr>It happens on amd 32 bit too
04:54<Nemoder>also ati?
04:55<lr>A friend of mine has the same problems and he use AMD
04:55<lr>I think he uses ati too
04:55<lr>Should be ati video driver?
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04:56<Nemoder>you could try a different one and see if it helps, just guessing. it's hard to know with adobe
04:56<lr>It happens with all browers... iceweasel, epiphany all
04:56<lr>I tried Swfdec
04:56<lr>and similar
04:56<lr>but new flv pagine embedding will not load
04:57<lr>but new flv page embedding will not load
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04:57<lr>another problem
04:57<lr>I will get off win from my network
04:58<lr>in my network I have various OS, I use freebsd for my server
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04:58<lr>but I would unix based on workstation too
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04:58<Nemoder>lr: this might be another option, but i don't know how compatible it is
04:58<jm_>or gnash for what this one doesn't support
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04:59<lr>I tried gnash
04:59<lr>but it doesn't work
04:59<jm_>the version in lenny is too old
04:59<lr>Could I change repository ?
05:00<lr>testing version?
05:00<jm_>you'll need to upgrade your entire distribution because I think it's nto available in backports
05:00<lr>I find gnash in backports but I think it's and old release
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05:01<jm_>for etch only yes, not for lenny
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05:01<lr>anther question is about SynCE
05:01<lr>another question is about SynCE
05:02<lr>I will use debian as desktop system
05:02<lr>but it doesn't sync my omnia 2
05:02<lr>I tried to install synCE... But I can't sync nothing and I can't access on mempry card
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05:04<lr>lightspark is in experimental
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05:05<lr>Do you have solution about these inconveniences?
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05:06<zy>catsup: my problem about usb keyboard and power button is solved, by setting keymap through udev. Though I had no luck with hal, your hint is a very important clue. Thanks.
05:07<s4br3>Hi, since a few days my Debian Sid has a new grub boot splash image. I have tried finding the description of that but failed. Does anyone have link to the relevant page?
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05:07<lr>Do I get synCE new ver?
05:08<lr>ok now I try to put experimental repository in my leny
05:08<lr>ok now I try to put experimental repository in my lenny
05:08<jm_>s4br3: possibly related to the new space theme?
05:08<lr>I hope I can't broke synaptic...
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05:09<jm_>s4br3: i.e. this
05:09<lr>C U ltr.. thanks 4 help
05:09<jm_>lr: no, don't do that
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05:09<s4br3>Yes, I have found the image "Space Fun", but I don't know how to edit it, in case I'd like to
05:09<jm_>experimental won't work
05:09<dpkg>experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does _not_ support experimental. For an actual description, see section of the Developer's Reference.
05:10<lr>I know... Shoud I wait lenny update?
05:10<s4br3>jm_: thanks!
05:10<jm_>you should upgrade to testing first
05:11<jm_>or better yet, use squeeze in sources.list
05:11<lr>how can upgrade to test
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05:11<lr>Is test stable and secure?
05:11<jm_>dpkg, lenny->squeeze
05:11<dpkg>In /etc/apt/sources.list, remove stable-specific lines volatile, backports, then change lenny to squeeze. Use apt-get for the upgrade: "apt-get update && apt-get install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,` && apt-get dist-upgrade". Make sure you have a 2.6.32 kernel installed prior to rebooting check: aptitude versions '~nlinux-image~i'. See also <testing> <testing security> <squeeze release notes>.
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05:12<lr>I have 2.6.26 kernel
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05:15<lr>thanks for help
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05:16<lr>I must install new kernel
05:16<jm_>you can install it from squeeze once upgraded
05:16<jm_>well it will install it as part of the commands dpkg mentioned
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05:16<lr>so I update using dist-upgrade
05:17<jm_>yes use the commands shown above
05:17<lr>and after i'll install new kernel form synaptic or aptitude
05:17<jm_>no, the second command will install the kernel for you
05:17<lr>ok thanks jm_ and dpkg
05:17<lr>C U ltr
05:17<jm_>apt-get install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,`
05:17<jm_>that one
05:18<lr>uh ok
05:18<lr>Is squeeze better then lenny for desktop?
05:19<f8l>lr: Should be. Newer kernel means more hardware support.
05:19<lr>I will replace freebsd using debian in my server too wich release is better ? stable or testing?
05:19<jm_>for servers it's better to use stable releases only
05:20<lr>ok, I think I'll install lenny in server and upgrade lenny to testing in my desktop
05:21<ompaul>lr: why not install squeeze from the off?
05:21<lr>In my server I have freebsd with kde
05:22<lr>old hardware
05:22<lr>perhaps lenny is more stable
05:23<lr>and I don't need new drivers
05:23<lr>instead I need driver to syncronize my phone samsung omnia 2
05:23<lr>I can't sincronize it to evolution
05:24<lr>using synCE I hope I can do it
05:24<lr>in queeze
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05:29<lr>I go to update
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05:54<dominick>Hi! I've installed squeeze on my laptop, and the wireless card is not being detected. Please help me identify my wifi card!
05:54<dpkg>Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <b43>, <brcm80211>, <wl>; Intel: <ipw2100>, <ipw2200>, <iwlwifi>, <iwlagn>; Intersil: <prism>; Marvell: <marvell>; Ralink: <ralink>; Realtek: <rtl-wifi>; TI: <acx>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See also: <wlan howto>, <wpa>, <killswitch>.
05:54<dominick>thanks jm_
05:55<jm_>no worries
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06:45<dpkg>hello, vphebbare
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06:45<ao2>hi, is there a way to list packages for which multiple versions are available. Example: whith debian-multimedia in source.list there are two versions of the mplayer package available.
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06:46<jm_>ao2: apt-cache show should show both
06:46<jm_>or apt-cache policy
06:47<ao2>jm_, if I know the package name yes, it does, but I would like to have a list of packages names with multiple versions.
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07:52<vitich>ISO images (CD1 and DVD1) of Debian 5.0.6 for ia64 are not bootable!
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07:54<vitich>After recording the files on disk are available, but does not want to boot
07:54<jm_>and you actually have ia64 hardware?
07:54<vitich>Ubuntu server 10.04 LTS 64-bit is bootable when I use same CD
07:54<OdyX>vitich: ia64 is not amd64
07:55<dpkg>[ia64] (Intel Architecture-64), a 64-bit processor architecture developed in cooperation by Intel and Hewlett-Packard, implemented by processors such as Itanium and Itanium 2. The goal of Itanium was to produce a "post-RISC era" arch using EPIC. See -- if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion/sempron/xeon/em64t/pentium/core2duo/core*, then it is NOT ia64, it's <amd64>.
07:55<vitich>Thank You!
07:55<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building.
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07:56<vitich>Running stop installing ubuntu :)
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07:57<OdyX>My turn: my gf's laptop fails to boot for two days now; when I boot the d-i netboot and try to mount the disk, I get tons of "ata1.00: exception Emask", "failed command: READ FPDMA QUEUED". Is the HD dead ?
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07:58<jm_>I thought old IDE errors were cryptic, nothing compared to libata & sata errors
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07:59<OdyX>actually, I miss a "smartmontools" udeb
08:00<jm_>why not use something like grml ?
08:00<OdyX>because I have no usb key and the laptop has no CD tray
08:00<OdyX>(I booted the laptop trough PXE)
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08:34<OdyX>Damn. smartctl show an error always at the same plac.
08:34<OdyX>seems like a dead disk
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08:49<mjt>OdyX: how about writing something to that "same" place?
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08:50<jm_>mjt: why would that help?
08:50<mjt>it'll trigger reallocation
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08:51<mjt>you can run as many tests as you wish, without trying writing to that place it will report the same bad sector again and again,
08:53<jm_>magentic disks report errors on read, not on write
08:53<mjt>but reallocate on write, not read
08:53<mjt>(quite obviously i'd say)
08:54<jm_>but how do they know they need to rellocate if they don't know there's an error?
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08:55<mjt>i dunno how it works internally, never bothered to think and it's internal (to the drive) issue. At least they keep a list of some bad block which were discovered.
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08:55<mjt>some may re-read after write, dunno.
08:55<jm_>ok that probably means something like this then: read -> error, store in list .... write -> reallocate
08:55<jm_>makes sense
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08:56<mjt>this is how it works - disk detects read error, you write to that place, read error disappears, and drive now reports one more reallocated sector.
08:56<mjt>if you want internals, you'd ask drive vendors ;)
08:56<mjt>this is a standard procedure since stone age
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09:02<OdyX>mjt: and how does that help ?
09:02<OdyX>mjt: or to express it differently: will that save my disk.
09:02<OdyX>I just re-did a complete Debian install on that disk and now it kernel panics on boot
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09:03<xchat_>OdyX, if you have the data backed up, just replace the disk
09:04<OdyX>xchat_: disk dead, huh.
09:04<mjt>OdyX: it depends on how many bad blocks the hdd has
09:04<mjt>ie, how really bad it is
09:04<OdyX>it's a brand new laptop (3 weeks), so I will actually get it replaced
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09:16<smv>OdyX, see man badblocks
09:17<xchat_>doesn't d-i run badblocks by default?
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09:18<weasel>that'd take ages
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09:24<OdyX>ah. Nice. ¼% in 4 minutes
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09:28<axon>Has anyone an idea, if there existe a tool like timekpr for debian
09:29<babilen>what does it do?
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09:30<babilen>axon: You can download it:
09:31<axon>babilen : it is a sort of timerestriction for children
09:31<axon>so my boy should leave his computer at 8pm
09:32<babilen>No idea, never had the need to use tools like this. Why not talk with him?
09:32<babilen>Why don't you just download timekpr and install it locally?
09:32<dpkg>When hand-compiling software, *always* install into /usr/local (normally with ./configure --prefix=/usr/local). Otherwise, it can overwrite files which should be protected by apt, which can break apt, or apt can break this application's files because it doesn't know about them. See also: <equivs>, <FHS>, </opt>, <stow>, <checkinstall>
09:32<axon>babilen : the links you gave me are alle for ubuntu
09:33<babilen>so? Do you think it uses some technology that is only available for Ubuntu?
09:33<axon>don't know
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09:35<akaedu>hello ,everyone
09:36<akaedu>i'm come from China
09:37<babilen>axon: Have a look at "timeoutd" or install timekpr locally. (I still think that talking about the matter is a better approach :)
09:38<mjt>OdyX: you can re-write sectors using this command: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda oflag=direct count=1 seek=SECTOR_NUMBER
09:38<mjt>(this will trash data in that sector)
09:38<OdyX>mjt: actually, badblocks -wvs does more-or-less this…
09:38<OdyX>(I wiped the disk content anyway)
09:39<OdyX>it writes-and-checks patterns on the whole disk.
09:39<mjt>smart selftest does that alot faster
09:39<OdyX>mjt: smart selftest doesn't correct badblocks, does it ?
09:39<mjt>it doesn't
09:39<akaedu>how to login IRC
09:40<mjt>but if you want to correct, dd with one sector is the fastest way
09:40<babilen>akaedu: You are already logged in. This is *not* a chat channel though.
09:40<babilen>!tell akaedu -about irc tutorial
09:40<mjt>OdyX: or you can just re-write whole disk - dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=1M oflag=1M -- this will be about 1000 times faster than badblocks, and will have similar effect
09:41<xchat_>akaedu: type /server login <username>
09:41<OdyX>mjt: hrm. I understood badblocks as "it will also record what are the bad blocks and blacklist them"
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09:43<mjt>OdyX: all modern drives can do remapping internally
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09:44<mjt>badblocks may find them, you'll have to tell the filesystem to mark them as such too
09:45<mjt>but it's safe and much easier to let the drive to remap them
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09:46<OdyX>now I don't know what to do with that borkled disk
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09:47<mjt>rewrite the bad blocks, try to read them, run a smart selftest again - if the rest works, just ignore them. If there are more/many of them, RMA it.
09:48<mjt>for a modern drive they have several 1000s of bad blocks in a "factory-preset" list
09:48<mjt>(that list isn't visible on sata/ide drives, but there's a command to view it for scsi/sas drives)
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09:49<OdyX>hrm. Now smartmontools from d-i is just a painful series of wgets
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09:56<axon>how can i change in the console a admin to a desktop-user
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09:56<axon>in the terminal
09:57<lr>I've installed from lenny testing version squeeze, installation gone wrong but I recover it
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09:58<lr>It seems work good youtube flash works
09:58<babilen>axon: What do you mean?
09:58<axon>sorry babilen,
09:58<axon>how can i install timeoutd
09:58<lr>but I have video glitches on full screen mode
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09:59<axon>its not in the repositorys
09:59<lr>Must I search ati video driver?
09:59<lr>or change the plug in?
09:59<babilen>,versions timeoutd
09:59<judd>Package timeoutd on i386 -- etch: 1.5-10; lenny: 1.5-10.1; sid: 1.5-10.1; squeeze: 1.5-10.1
10:00<lr>I have an ati radeon 9600
10:00<babilen>axon: It should be. Become root and try: "aptitude install timeoutd" -- If that does not work paste the output of "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy timeoutd" to
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10:17<lr>any solution for flash glitches on squeeze fullscreen?
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10:19<axon>has anyone a working sources.list for me?
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10:20<dpkg>The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb lenny main" and "deb lenny/updates main" where CC is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <lenny security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
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10:22<axon>gedit:2841): EggSMClient-WARNING **: Failed to connect to the session manager: None of the authentication protocols specified are supported
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10:28<babilen>axon: You'll need ...
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10:30<lr>c u later
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11:31<DvorakAJS>hey, I installed the flasplugin-nonfree, but flash still isn't working googled a bit but couldn't find anything :(
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11:33<acu>I want to use a remote control method in GNOME (similar to KRFB KRDC in KDE) what should I use
11:34<hostname>!flash amd64
11:34<dpkg>Adobe Flash for amd64 is now available again as a preview release (as of 15/9/10). See for details.
11:34<babilen>hostname: It is already in the repositories
11:34<babilen>,versions flashplugin-nonfree --release amd64
11:34<judd>Sorry, no package named 'flashplugin-nonfree' was found in i386.
11:35<babilen>versions flashplugin-nonfree --arch amd64
11:35<babilen>,versions flashplugin-nonfree --arch amd64
11:35<judd>Package flashplugin-nonfree on amd64 -- etch-backports/contrib: 1:1.4~bpo40+1; lenny-backports/contrib: 1:2.8.2~bpo50+1; sid/contrib: 1:2.8.2; squeeze/contrib: 1:2.8.2
11:36<babilen>good dammit :)
11:37<babilen>DvorakAJS: What does "about:plugins" say? Have you installed flash manually previously? It worked without a problem ever sice ovr here (well, except for the short period in which the plugin was not available for amd64)
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11:37<DvorakAJS>Shockwave Flash 10.1 r102
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11:37<DvorakAJS>yes I had to install it manually
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11:38<babilen>DvorakAJS: That might still cause problems. Which version of Debian do you use and which browser?
11:38<babilen>And you are sure that you removed *everything* from your manual install?
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11:39<DvorakAJS>I'm not sure wich version, I'm using squeeze and iceweasel as browser
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11:41<babilen>DvorakAJS: Should be "Shockwave Flash 10.2 d161" on Squeeze with flashplugin-nonfree 1:2.8.2
11:42<babilen>DvorakAJS: I guess that your manual install is still used and not working. Make sure to remove it. Search for "" ...
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11:43<babilen>DvorakAJS: Should be: /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/
11:44<DvorakAJS>what is the best way to install after removing all?
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11:44<babilen>"aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree"
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11:47<DvorakAJS>did that and it's still "10.1 r102"
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11:53<DvorakAJS>extra info: installed google-chrome, works there but about:plugins returns same flash version
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12:31<cjuner>Hi. Which GPUs have free drivers that support real-time 1080p mpeg avc decoding with vaapi?
12:31<mase>cjuner you probably mean open drivers?
12:32<cjuner>mase, I meant drivers that are free software.
12:33<mjr>no idea if it's prime-time as I haven't tried anything first-hand, but at least there's been work done for that for intel clarkdale and arrandale
12:34<mjr>I think that's basically it, unless some other intels have been worked on
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12:35<mjr>there _is_ the broadcom crystal hd decoder chip that's on a separate card
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12:35<mjt>isn't that separate decoder lacks drivers on linux?
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12:36<cjuner>Well I am looking for a new laptop or netbook which can handle 1080p. (but don't want an expensive one just for a fat cpu)
12:36<mjr>it has free drivers (with non-free firmware), though the API is its own cross-platform one, not va-api
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12:37<acu>hey guys I got flashplayer for 64 bit - - what should I do with it - in Squeeze ?
12:38<qq->use it ?
12:39<ompaul>or the global one for the box
12:39<babilen>.. or delete it and install "flashplugin-nonfree" ;)
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12:40<ompaul>acu: either use this /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins or do what babilen said as it makes the most sense
12:40<ompaul>acu: there is a debian way to control a debian machine if you fail to use it you can mess up your control
12:41<ompaul>acu: which is also known as, you had a computer, you borked it, you can the pieces keep ;-)
12:42<Unmenschlich>is there any info when fglrx-10-11 will be available?
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12:43<Unmenschlich>I would use the installers feature to make an own package for debian, but this feature seems to be broken
12:43<Unmenschlich>(it depends on a nonexistant folder)
12:44<ompaul>make the folder?
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12:45<Unmenschlich>I guess it's not really about the missing folder but about its contents ;)
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12:48<ompaul>Unmenschlich: I would be inclined to check for a bug and if there is none then report one, as for the the idea of 10-11 I would dismiss from your mind until squeeze gets released, I don't really see new versions getting in until then
12:49<Unmenschlich>ah okay, I see, I won't be waiting for a package then and see if I can report this
12:52<ompaul>Unmenschlich: it is very unlikely that a new driver would be added at this time to a frozen item, however fixes to bugs, and bug reports are important
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12:57<acu>how to refresh grub ?
12:58<acu>I have a computer with windows - and I remember that if I started a grub reconfiguration - it worked
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12:58<ompaul>!tell acu about grub
12:59<ompaul>acu: enjoy the info from the bot, it will advise you correctly :)
12:59<acu>babilen flashplugin-nonfree is the latest from adobe (the 27 september one ?) ----
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13:01<qq->acu, 'latest' is a non sense in debian
13:01<babilen>acu: As this is the version that re-enables 64bit support and flashplugin-nonfree downloads the driver from Adobe I would say yes ... But I am not realy sure about that. I get "Shockwave Flash 10.2 d161" -- is that the version you are referring to?
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13:02<acu>qq- you are right - unless latest means that It works :)
13:03<acu>babilen: I do just caught by accident this link from your discussions
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13:06<babilen>acu: Have a look at: this is called in the postinst script of flashplugin-nonfree
13:07<babilen>acu: And it downloads flashplayer_square_p2_64bit_linux_092710.tar.gz
13:08<babilen>(the same version you could download manually from the website you linked to)
13:08<acu>babilen: you are a saint with a fork in hand
13:08<acu>thanks - so I need to enable non-free repositories
13:08<acu>then do that update- thingy
13:09<babilen>acu: Enable non-free, "aptitude update", "aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree" should do the trick
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13:11<newman555>Can someone please explain what I need to do to make "usbmount" mount with permissions that allow non-root to write. Thank you! Yes I tried searching around but found no docs for this package.
13:11<hagenZ>man fstab?
13:11<newman555>as far as I understand fstab has nothing to do with usbmount package
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13:13<newman555>Is there anything I should change in usbmount.conf that should "fix" this?
13:14<cahoot>add a umak ?
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13:14<hagenZ>as i understood you can add only one uid in usbmount.conf
13:15<hagenZ>newman555 usbmount need root?
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13:15<newman555>hagenZ: usb mounts as non-root but can't delete, write to...
13:16<dvs>newman555: addgroup $user floppy
13:16<newman555>cahoot: tried it...but I think I just figured I did it wrong :)
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13:19<newman555>cahoot: after changing fmask to 777 or 022, still nothing.
13:19<newman555>dvs: will try now
13:20<newman555>dvs: already in that group :(
13:20<newman555>what am I doing wrong, this can't be that complicated...
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13:23<newman555>btw, my usb is mounted under /media/usb0 if that gives any info...
13:25<jhutchins_lt>newman555: What release are you on?
13:25<newman555>jhutchins_lt: squezze
13:25<newman555>jhutchins_lt: squezze squeeze :)
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13:27<jhutchins_lt>newman555: What symptom are you having? Does it try to mount and fail, or mount and not allow access?
13:28<newman555>jhutchins_lt: mount succesful, I can read, but can't write
13:28<jhutchins_lt>newman555: Sorry, can't reproduce that here w/kde.
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13:29<newman555>jhutchins_lt: thakns for trying!
13:29<jhutchins_lt>newman555: There's the need to add the user to plugdev, but that affects it being able to mount, not RW.
13:29<jhutchins_lt>newman555: Some USB hardware implements RO.
13:30<newman555>jhutchins_lt: yes I know, but as root, I can RW.
13:31<newman555>jhutchins_lt: so as non-root you can RW? can you give me the line from usbmount.conf "MOUNTOPTIONS="sync,noexec,nodev,noatime..."
13:33<jhutchins_lt>newman555: I don't appear to have a usbmount.conf - where is it?
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13:34<newman555>jhutchins_lt: /etc/usbmount/usbmount.conf
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13:35<jhutchins_lt>This was a clean install of squeeze over Win7.
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13:35<newman555>jhutchins_lt: package usbmount is not standard. I installed it afterwards...
13:37<cahoot>newman555: adding umask=0 to that list did no good?
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13:38<newman555>cahoot: no. also, as far as I see, there is no umask option available (man mount(8))
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13:39<cahoot>newman555: my mistake - I was presuming vfat for some dubious reason
13:39<newman555>cahoot: don't worry, me to, until 3 minutes ago :)
13:40<__jms>With initramfs what exactly specifies where the real root is ? I've looked for hours and failed to find any satisfactory documentation
13:40<newman555>cahoot: I tried adding gid=floppy, but after that it doesn't mount at all
13:40<jhutchins_lt>__jms: fstab?
13:40<__jms>Migrating from mmc to NAND on a Sheevaplug
13:41<__jms>So I've carefully written uImage and uInitrd, they get read, kernel boots then can't find rootfs and stuck at (initramfs) prompt
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13:42<__jms>the initramfs has no fstab and I don't understand how it chooses a roots
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13:43<jhutchins_lt>__jms: Must be from the grub config then.
13:43<__jms>despite the fact I can mount the roofs manually at this point
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13:43<__jms>It's u-boot not grub. This is a Sheevaplug.
13:44<N30>I cant start pptp client due to " Can't open options file /etc/ppp/options.pptp: Too many open files"
13:44<N30>how do i solve this?
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13:44<N30>ive tried a reboot but it did not help.
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13:45<jhutchins_lt>__jms: The principle of my theoretical reply remains.
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13:45<jhutchins_lt>__jms: You do realise that this is #debian, right?
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13:46<retrospectacus>N30: look into "ulimit" on google
13:46<retrospectacus>N30: this should not usually happen though, unless something else is going wrong
13:48<N30>Okay, thanks :)
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13:51<newman555>just one more question...without usbmount package, how are usb's mounted? fstab entry? that's static and every time you plug usb it changes, right?
13:51<rasmus>I have a problem with a init.d script on debian lenny. It should run a javascript file using node.js but it does not and it gives no error message. The javascript runs fine then I don't use init.d
13:52<newman555>after removing usbmount package, I plug the usb and I get "not authorized"...that was the first reasong I installed usbmount. and it worked for reading, but now writing...
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13:57<__jms>Yes I know this is Debian. Looks like it might be booting after a minute or two scratching its backside. I still don't understand qute what's going on here.
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14:01<dvs>newman555: udev is suppose to auto mount usb
14:03<bst>newman555: try pmount, view aptitude show pmount. usbmount recommends pmount
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14:04<newman555>dvs: ok, but how do I change the options with udev? allow a user to mount, rw, or ro?
14:04<newman555>bst: ok, will try
14:05<newman555>bst: after installing pmount and plugging my usb, again, I get that "not authorized"
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14:10<bst>newman555: view aptitude show hal
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14:13<newman555>bst: I give up...hal,dev, usbmount, pmount...tried various combinations, no success. thanks anyway!
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14:18<ex0>Hello I need help with my Debian Squeeze.. I installed the free drivers (I have direct rendering) but Compiz doesnt works.. here is the error:
14:18<ex0>(bad english sry)
14:19<dpkg>Compiz is a compositing window manager using OpenGL for rendering. It can run when <AIGLX> and the composite extension are enabled for your X server; see for installation, configuration and usage details. Current state of Compiz (et al) in unstable can be found at . #compiz on
14:19<ex0>!compiz squeeze
14:20<babilen>ex0: Which driver and graphic card are we talking about?
14:21<babilen>ex0: The problem is that you have only software rendering. You need to fix that, but the actual method really depends on your chipset
14:21<ex0>babilen: I installed the drivers with: "apt-get install libgl1-mesa-dri libgl1-mesa-glx xserver-xorg-video-ati firmware-linux-nonfree"
14:21<ex0>babilen: My graphic card is ATI Radeon x1600 series
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14:22<babilen>ex0: That should be enough. Could you paste /var/log/Xorg.0.log to (the complete file)
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14:22<babilen>might be easier with pastebinit actually
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14:26<ex0>babilen: I haven't a xorg.conf file
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14:29<ex0>babilen: any idea?
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14:30<retrospectacus>ex0: nice mouse you got there
14:31<ex0>retrospectatus: nice mouse? I have a fatal1ty.. is bad
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14:33<ex0>retrospectatus: can you help me?
14:33<ex0>retrospectatus: you saw the log?
14:34<retrospectacus>yeah, I think you need to create /etc/X11/xorg.conf and put DRI in there
14:34<retrospectacus>let me take a look at mine
14:35<devil>ex0: firmware-linux-nonfree installed?
14:35<retrospectacus>hmm I don't have it, but I'm using nvidia
14:35<retrospectacus>not too sure, sorry
14:35<ex0>devil: yes
14:35<ex0>retrospectatus: ah ok..
14:36<ex0>but I have direct rendering from my graphic card right?
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14:37<devil>you can check with: glxinfo | grep -i direct
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14:37<ex0>yes I have it
14:39<ex0>any idea? .. what happend with compiz that doesnt found the monitor? (bad english sry)
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14:39<devil>ex0: sorry,never had an ATI card nor used compiz
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14:40<ex0>devil: maybe I need to "specify" the monitor in xorg.conf.. I have not a xorg.conf file
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14:40<retrospectacus>ex0: here is my xorg.conf for nvidia, dual-head with compiz if it helps:
14:41<ex0>retrospectatus: Squeeze doesnt have a config file?
14:41<devil>ex0: yes, xorg.conf wwith free drivers is only needed in special cases nowadays
14:41<retrospectacus>looks like triple head actually... only 2 connected though, and it doesn't setup automatically, I have to run nvidia-settings every login
14:42<retrospectacus>ex0: I do have it (squeeze/sid)
14:42<retrospectacus>but I created it manually for compiz/dual head
14:42<devil>retrospectacus: probably nvidia-settings created it
14:42<retrospectacus>though I think it was lenny at that time (before lenny was released)
14:43<retrospectacus>nvidia-settings always fails to create it :(
14:43<retrospectacus>just don't reboot :) uptime
14:43<retrospectacus>92 days
14:43<ex0>look.. X created this file for me
14:43<ex0>I dont remember the command line (X -configure .....)
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14:49<lem0nade>new iPhone Zombie Shooter game by a 13 year old:
14:49<lem0nade>new iPhone Zombie Shooter game by a 13 year old:
14:49<lem0nade>new iPhone Zombie Shooter game by a 13 year old:
14:49<lem0nade>new iPhone Zombie Shooter game by a 13 year old:
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14:50<dvs>silly Brits! ;-)
14:50<lem0nade>new iPhone Zombie Shooter game by a 13 year old:
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14:53<xchat>sh: Syntax error: Unterminated quoted string
14:53<dvs>what's "psam"? ;-)
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14:57<ex0>Compiz works restrospectacus, devil
14:57<ex0>Thanks you..
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14:57<ex0>But I have 2 desktops (I had 4 before reboot) .. how can I set up 4 desktops?
14:58<devil>with what DE?
14:59<ex0>devil: I already set up 4 desktops
14:59<ex0>devil: thanks ya
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15:19<ex0>devil: which is the command for reconfig fonts? (bad english )
15:21<devil>ex0: dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config
15:22<ex0>devil: thanks.. eem.. you know how to install grub to another disk? (squeeze)
15:23<devil>ex0: another disk?
15:23<dvs>ex0: grub-install /dev/xxx
15:23<ex0>devil: I have installed GRUB2 on my Windows 7 HDD ..
15:23<ex0>devil: ok ok..
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16:45<mihau>anyone knows how to add an expired certificate using certutil?
16:45<mihau>does anyone know*
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16:48<f0rk>mihau: I'm guessing certutil -A -i cert doesn't work?
16:48<mihau>well, it adds the cert, but afterall error still ocures
16:48<mihau>at the web browser
16:49<f0rk>well yes, because the cert is expired
16:49<mihau>well, i know
16:49<mihau>that's why i came here to ask if there's any possibility to make it working
16:50<smv>why not get a new cert?
16:50<f0rk>mihau: get a new cert
16:51<mihau>smv, it's not up to me
16:51<mihau>cannot get it, it's from my university mail
16:51<mihau>f0rk, i am using chrome
16:52<f0rk>mihau: tell them to fix it. that isn't acceptable
16:52<f0rk>what sort of problems is it causing you?
16:52<mihau>well, i'll have to
16:52<smv>findout who's in charge there, and tell them about CAcert
16:52<mihau>just annoying message
16:52<mihau>after accepting "the risk" page works
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16:53<mihau>so, the only way to make it work is to update the cert?
16:55<mihau>the page won't load
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16:57<f0rk>well it's an open issue in chrome, i.e. you can't ignore the warnings in chrome. just inform the IT desk at your university that this needs to be fixed
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16:58<mihau>ok, thanks for help ;-)
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18:31<thrice`>I've installed a packaged from experimental, of which I think an update should be available, yet aptitude full-upgrade doesn't offer it
18:31<thrice`>do I need to do something special to have it pull from exp ?
18:32<zipper>hi, how to install a. tar.gz (unrar-2.71.tar.gz)?
18:33<devil>zipper: unrar is in the repos
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18:33<cthuluh>thrice`: apt-cache policy <your_package>
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18:33<devil>thrice`: i would not full-upgrade from experimental
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18:35<cthuluh>it's indeed a bad idea when you read "experimental" and "full-upgrade" in the same sentence, but experimental packages should have ridiculous priorities, and thus shouldn't be upgraded automatically
18:35<devil>thrice`: if there is a newer version of a package, aptitude install <package> should install it
18:35<thrice`>devil, right, I don't want to :> I've installed libreoffice-{writer,calc,impress} from experimental, and I know a newer beta was just stuck there today
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18:36<retrospectacus>thrice`: apt-cache policy <package> will tell you if a new version is available
18:36<devil>thrice`: aptitude install -t experimental libreoffice
18:36<thrice`>retrospectacus, well, I use aptitude over apt-get, and secondly, it doesn't seem efficient to manually watch for updates on my own :-)
18:37<thrice`>devil, sure, but that depends on me noticing the update, which isn't too nice :-)
18:37<devil>thrice`: there is update notifier tools
18:37<thrice`>I can't make apt smart enough to check the repository from which I grabbed a package, for an update?
18:38<cthuluh>thrice`: you can, with what is called pinning
18:38<devil>thrice`: i do apt-get distupgrade -d
18:38<cthuluh>!tell thrice` about pinning
18:39<thrice`>hm, ok - I figured there was an easier way
18:39<thrice`>devil, again, I don't use apt-get, nor really want to switch :-)
18:40<thrice`>cthuluh, seeing as how libreoffice is *only* available in experimental, however
18:40<xchat>if libreoffice is installable, why hasn't it entered unstable?
18:40<devil>thrice`: i was not saying, you should
18:40<thrice`>xchat, they haven't had a solid release yet, just some pre-release stuff
18:40<devil>xchat: because we have freeze
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18:44<jhutchins_lt>devil: testing is frozen, not unstable.
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18:44<devil>jhutchins_lt: unstable is affected though
18:45<devil>jhutchins_lt: i remember freeze for lenny where OOo3 sat in experimental for months
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19:08<diederik>I'm trying to play a DVD from my local harddrive
19:08<diederik>When I play it with smplayer it is fine. When I play it with smplayer, I get all kinds of stripes and other distortion at my screen
19:08<diederik>What could cause that, and more importantly, what to do about it?
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19:14<diederik>LOL, solved the problem. Changing the output driver from xv to vdpau did the trick
19:15<diederik>Don't know why xv now causes problems though, it always worked good
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19:15<rodrigo__>all repositors is instaled?
19:16<diederik>rodrigo__: directed at me? what are repositors?
19:17<rodrigo__>the codecs
19:18<diederik>I think so, seen packages get upgraded some time ago with that name iirc
19:18<diederik>yes, they are installed
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19:19<rodrigo__>try unistall and reinstall
19:21<diederik>did not make a difference, but issue is solved anyway (vdpau)
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20:52<Joint>hey can someone help me with the translation question?
20:52<Joint>if is possible?
20:53<jordanm>is it related to debian?
20:55<Joint>yes it is,
20:55<jordanm>ask away
20:55<Joint>i want to know is there any channel from debian such as translation channel
20:55<jordanm>I believe there is a mailing list
20:56<dpkg>it has been said that i18n is an abbreviation for internationalisation, which is a really long word used a lot in some circles, so it's shortened by effectively saying "I, then 18 more letters, then N", get it?, or
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21:02<dpkg>it has been said that l10n is an abbreviation for localization, which is a long word used a lot in some circles, so it's shortened by effectively saying "L, then 10 more letters, then N", get it?
21:03<GeorgeDorn>like 18n
21:04<GeorgeDorn>bad scroll
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21:11<leznx>hello guys
21:11<leznx>good night for all
21:12<leznx>i need help in gwibber ;\ \
21:13<leznx>i have this msg : ImportError : No module named util
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21:51<smv>there is #debian-i18n and so many i18n and l10n mailing lists. there should be a factoid about that.
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21:52<ani>i have debian + winXp install on /dev/sda,[dev/sda5] and grub boot loader on /dev/sdb. recently i install winxp on /dev/sda1 which have bootmgr installed in /deb/sda. so put /dev/sdb to 1boot disk to load grub boot loader 1st. after debian load i run update-grub but its add not winxp to grub list.
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21:53<OsirisX>ani do you have os-prober installed?
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21:54<ani>nop *faceplam*
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21:54<ani>thanks OsirisX
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21:55<ani>i thought its add default, i for got i am using debian.
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21:56<ani>Found Microsoft Windows XP Professional on /dev/sda1 [nicely add] thanks again OsirisX
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21:57<OsirisX>you are welcome ani
21:57<OsirisX>in debian it is either recommended or suggested for grub and not a dependency
21:59<OsirisX>does anyone know, how to configure update-manager in gnome to ignore packages? (I just uninstalled dummy packages diff and mktemp which were marked essential - and not it keeps telling me they are available to install)
22:00<OsirisX>now* (rather than not)
22:00<ani>ya.. i actually use ubuntu before, but dont like gnome or kde i start to using debian with openbox
22:01<ani>OsirisX: Debian sid?
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22:03<OsirisX>mmm primarily squeeze - but with some sid components
22:03<smv>OsirisX, i suppose it's a feature of somthing. :) Try to purge them before runing update-manager. Some time ago it happened to me with other packages that where removed with synaptic, and aptitude was puling them back. I purged them and that was all.
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22:04<OsirisX>smv: they are purged and aptitude doesn't pull them back in. Only gnome update-manager is doing it
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22:05<smv>Then perhaps they are recomended by something?
22:05<OsirisX>and I presume only because they are still marked as "essential" packages even though the actual tools the represent are now part of diffutils and coreutils that I already have installed
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22:05<OsirisX>smv: no there are no existing dependencies to them, they are dummy packages, hence why I was able to remove them in the 1st place
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22:10<smv>I'd kill update-manager, aptitude update, upgrade and forget-new, then see if update-manager still finds them.
22:11<ani>i never like update-manager in my ps
22:11<ani>upgrade ftw
22:12<smv>2-3 times a day should be enough :))
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22:32<ani>can i ask some think ..
22:32<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
22:32<ani> is that related to #debian
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22:33<abrotman>not this #debian
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22:34<ani>thanks ..then i have to ask in freenode ... they posting my ip there
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22:35<abrotman>ani: no, that's you doing that .. not the channel
22:35<bja>ani: Why would you bother to have your ip posted on a 9 month old irc post?
22:36<abrotman>--> ani (~ani@ has joined #debian .. look, there it is again
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22:36<ani>abrotman: ya i am goin to ask in #otfc coz +ix not working
22:37<abrotman>you don't have a cloak here ..
22:38<ani>abrotman: O_O
22:38<ani>so any one can see my ip?
22:38*bja likes tor to avoid that kind of trouble
22:38<abrotman>you're not even registered with nickserv
22:39<ani>abrotman: thats not related to nickserv
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22:39<abrotman>if you think so
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22:46<sisk>Is there a program in the repository that can publish to a webserver running Frontpage extensions?
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23:02<Silicium01>dpkg quickcam
23:02<dpkg>QuickCam is a brand of web camera manufactured by Logitech. UVC and non-UVC device lists: . For support of old model QuickCam Express/Web devices, ask me about <qc-usb>. Later QuickCam models are supported by the GSPCA, USB Video Class or Phillip webcam drivers, ask me about <gspca>, <uvcvideo> or <pwc> respectively. See also <webcam>.
23:04<Silicium01>guys how can I tell what model of quickcam I have?
23:04<bja>!tell Silicium01 msg the bot
23:04<bja>!tell Silicium01 about msg the bot
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23:05<Silicium01>bja, thanks
23:05<gsimmons>Silicium01: lsusb, then verify the reported product ID against the device lists above.
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23:09<Silicium01>gsimmons, I messaged dpkg, but 046d:08d9 does not appear in old list
23:09<Silicium01>old list: USB-IDs 046d:0840, 046d:0870
23:09<bja>, pciid 046d:08d9
23:09<judd>[046d:08d9] is 'Unknown device' from 'Unknown vendor' with no known kernel module in lenny or in sid. See also
23:10<Silicium01>It's pretty close though, maye I should use the instructions that dpkg provides
23:11<gsimmons>Silicium01: That's a non-UVC webcam, should be supported by gspca ; /msg dpkg gspca
23:13<Silicium01>gsimmons, I have squeeze and it does not work
23:13<Silicium01>dpkg tells me driver should be included in new kernel
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23:13<gsimmons>Silicium01: You need to be much more specific than just "does not work".
23:14<Silicium01>gsimmons, in cheese for example everything freezes, in skype it does not display anything
23:14<Silicium01>gsimmons, and I don't know how else to test it
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23:26<amakusa>hello to all, if I want to get the source code for one of the packages on the repo, do I need to look for it o the internet or is there a way with aptitude or something similar?
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23:29<bja>man apt-get|less '+/ source'
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23:29<Chichon>does exist a deb package for CodeBlocks? I need it
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23:30<bja>apt-cache search codeblocks
23:30<Chichon>is this question out of bounds?
23:30<Chichon>ah okok
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23:33<amakusa>bja: that works, thanks
23:34<bja>amakusa: np
23:36<Chichon>bja: thanks, there it is
23:36<bja>Chichon: np
23:38<Chichon>bja: does exist cross compiler for MAC OS X?, i need it for school
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23:41<bja>Chichon: What exactly d you mean?
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23:42<Chichon>bja: i need to compile c code for Mac Os
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23:44<bja>Chichon: Do not expect a linux support channel to help you out with MacOs :D
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23:45<Chichon>bja: need compile c code under linux for mac os
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23:46<Chichon>bja: i dnt have a mac : (
23:46<bja>Chichon: Google is your friend. But i think it will not be an easy task
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