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00:42<ihptru>hi, I have small problem and not sure how to solve it.
00:42<ihptru>configure: WARNING: The library protobuf (Google Protobuf Buffers) has a broken dependency on library pthread on your system.
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01:05<Tekk_>I've just lost wireless...
01:05<Tekk_>on boot it does the dhclient thing where it keeps trying to connect with different intervals but can't
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01:06<Tekk_>then it fails and continues booting(on ethernet now)
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01:07<Tekk_>knetworkmanager says that my wireless interface is unmanaged, I haven't made any recent changes to my networks file either, or at least ones that broke it before
01:09<Tekk_>my interfaces file
01:10<gsimmons>Tekk_: You would want to correct line 9.
01:12<Tekk_>gsimmons: in what way? remove eth0?
01:12<Tekk_>problem still happened before that btw
01:12<Tekk_>I just changed it to adding eth0
01:17<gsimmons>Your addition is invalid, as too many parameters are stated (ifup should have yelled at you).
01:18<Tekk_>okay fixed, still won't solve the problem, or shouldn't
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01:29<gsimmons>If you intended for NetworkManager to manage your wireless interface, you should also remove or comment the wlan0 lines. Devices listed in /e/n/interfaces are not managed by default.
01:30<Tekk_>actually I don't, I just can't get the ifconfig/iwconfig/dhclient method working ><
01:33<gsimmons>dpkg: iwconfig
01:33<dpkg>The wireless-tools package provides utilities for manipulating Linux Wireless Extensions (wext), including iwconfig and iwlist. It also provides wireless-* ifupdown hooks to /etc/network/interfaces, read /usr/share/doc/wireless-tools/README.Debian for more information. To connect to networks which use WPA encryption, ask me about <wpa>.
01:34<gsimmons>Tekk_: Have you read the above yet? Consider also removing the network-manager-* packages.
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01:34-Anjie^34:#debian-dude u want this
01:34<Anjie^34>download this
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01:35<Tekk_>gsimmons: I'm pretty sure I've looked up everything to do with iwconfig by this point
01:35<Tekk_>and my issue is with dhclient with it, in all cases
01:36<Tekk_>boot has issues on dhclient, and manual connection is dhclient too, nothing wrong with iwconfig that I can tell
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01:43<gsimmons>Tekk_: Please pastebin the /etc/network/interfaces configuration you are using. This is still the same open/unencrypted network you mentioned earlier?
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01:44<Tekk_>gsimmons: my /etc/network/interfaces is the same as I pasted earlier, but minus eth0 and yes the network is open
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01:45<gsimmons>Tekk_: No, the configuration with your wireless-* statements. See /usr/share/doc/wireless-tools/README.Debian.
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01:48<Tekk_>that may be it, I didn't have any XD
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02:38<carlos_>exim4 = cliente ?
02:38<carlos_>exmin4 servidor ?
02:39<carlos_>You can take a mail server
02:40<mixalis>Hi, when I go to install some packages with aptitude I get warning message that the package its untrusted. This start hapend today after i made upgrade.I don't get that waring in all packages. I am using debian squeeze and in my repos I have only the main packages, I dont have contrib and non-free. Some of the packages that I try to install is lxtask, xarchiver, nitrogen. Is really those packages untrusted?
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02:49<hagen>after reboot sound is always off. why the system doesn't remember the last setting of my sound?
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03:36<devil>hagen: you could try setting it with alsactl
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03:37<hagen>devil: can't find that util
03:38<devil>hagen: should be in alsa-utils
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04:36<hagen> when i'm starting x from console under root, there is the warning that i'm going to work as a root. how to disable that warning?
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04:37<cahoot>don't run x as root
04:38<@weasel>you shouldn't work as root
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04:38<dpkg>It has been said that root is the administrative account - only use it when root power is needed. So no reading mail, compiling programs, or running applications as root. And don't even think about irc'ing as root, it increases the danger from exploits and trojans (such as bliss), or see, for example, the security advisory on BitchX
04:38<cahoot>no need, considered a security risk
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04:41<devil>hagen: the way to go is to aquire root privileges, when needed, in an xterm of your choice while being logged on to X as normal user
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04:45<hagen>how to make X auto start?
04:46<@weasel>you probably want gdm
04:46<hagen>it will help?
04:47<devil>hagen: you can set this in your DE or the respective login manager file.
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04:50<hagen>devil: how to set it?
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04:51<devil>hagen: in kde its in systemsettings/loginmanager
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04:52<hagen>gnome here
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04:54<devil>hagen: in gnome i dont know the setting, if you want to edit it directly, look for gmdrc. be careful
04:55<devil>something like 'AutoLoginEnable=false'
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05:06<hagen>how to fix broken dependencies with apt?
05:06<cahoot>how did they come about?
05:10<hagen>i dont know
05:12<hagen>too many soft installed)
05:13<f8l>hagen: Aptitude is a nice tool that can suggest you a solution.
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05:13<mugen_hck3r>hi everyone i have a prob with i think either my package manager or source.list or some shit anyways i keep getting this error messsage (from apt-get update) ...what it means and how to fix it pls thanks
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05:14<f8l>mugen_hck3r: I have the same problem. Try to change mirror. I guess it'll be back to normal after Squeeze release.
05:16<mugen_hck3r>oh ok thanks :)
05:16<f8l>mugen_hck3r: The annoying thing is you have to comment out the mirror that makes APT fail, because otherwise it'll block the whole process.
05:17<hagen>while compiling xchat 2.8.8 i have that error forum post about that problem didn't help. is there any solution?
05:17<mugen_hck3r>oh ok kool
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05:18<devil>hagen: why would you compile xchat?
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05:19<mace_>anyone from the ftp team about?
05:19<hagen>devil: i found only 2.8.6 on reps
05:20<ompaul>mugen_hck3r: you could change it to a multi gigabyte link fairly fast from anywhere
05:20<ompaul>mugen_hck3r: that should be
05:20<devil>hagen: and what makes 2.8.8. so much better?
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05:21<cahoot>hagen: ...and if you really need a newer version see what /msg dpkg bpo offers
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05:25<cortexx>Bonjour :)
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05:27<hagen>cahoot: it says " I give up, what is it?, hagen"
05:28<cahoot>hagen: /msg dpkg bpo
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05:38<hagen>devil: the 8 makes it better. just want to know why i couldnt compile it
05:39<ompaul>hagen: how does the the 8 make it better?
05:40<hagen>ompaul: it's a joke
05:41<hagen>my vlc doesn't view mkv files, only sound. why?
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05:43<ComradeHaz`>hagen, try #vlc in freenode
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05:46<ComradeHaz`>Good morning ladies and gents. I need a little help with pinning, essentially. I know I need to pin something but not how to do so. I am familliar with the principal of the aptitude interface, but again, not how to actually use it. My specific issue is this: I need to use the debian-multimedia repositories but doing so causes the issue described here (see solution):
05:48<themill>ComradeHaz`: you need to look at the output of "apt-cache policy" to find the data that you can use in pinning. (/msg dpkg pinning)
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05:49<ComradeHaz`>thing is, themill, while I am familliar with the principal of pinining I do not know how to actually do it.
05:52<themill>the man page and the website dpkg gave you offer a lot of examples
05:53<themill>try it out, do your best, test it out with "apt-cache policy packagename" and if it doesn't work, pastebin your preferences file and ask for more help
05:53<ComradeHaz`>Sure, thanks - I think I see how this works. (It is kind of a different approach to what I was expecting, but think I get the idea!
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05:55<themill>(either an o= or l= pin should work for dmm, I think)
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06:04<ComradeHaz`>themill, 'Notes from JoshuaRodman' seems to be the most appropriate route to my mind. Though I still don't quite see how a couple of things work. First, this seems to be about pinning to different 'levels' (ie stable, testing, unstable) but I don't want to do that, do I? Indeed, debian multimedia repo's also have this 3 levels of their repositories. What I need to do is not pull from any of a
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06:04<ComradeHaz`>source as opposed to not pulling from a certain 'level'. This seems to be something slightly different.
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06:06*machine jion
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06:14<ComradeHaz`>Right, so I understand I need to give all debianmultimedia a lower priority than everything else. Does this cover how correctly?
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06:18<dpkg>hello, prashanth
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06:19<prashanth>Hi! I'm looking for a 3d cad software like ProE, solidworks etc. I've tried qcad, but its more like autocad and little useful for 3d.
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06:23<ompaul>prashanth: the only thing we can do is search the web or apt-cache search the web gives me this
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06:27<ComradeHaz`>By jove, themill, I think I've done it!
06:27<kovac>hi i want to try a dvd live of debian , Is there one of this class?
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06:28<ComradeHaz`>kovac, it's not exactly the same as what you get if you install proer debian
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06:29<jspiros>I have a squeeze/sid i386 installation and I recently upgraded to a Core i7 box. It's booting from the old system no problem, everything's fine, but does anyone have any suggestion for how I can switch to amd64 relatively easily?
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06:29<cahoot>new install
06:29<jspiros>I am aware that there is no magical single command to do it, and I googled and found two tutorials for hacking my way through it
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06:29<jspiros>I was thinking a new install, and then migrate the settings and such over manually, and I'm fine with that
06:29<ompaul>jspiros: it is called the new install syndrome
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06:30<jspiros>But I'd like to keep my current system running, and have both installs available to move /etc and /var things over manually
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06:30<jspiros>I was thinking, install 64-bit kernel and then chroot to do apt-get installs on the new system, and then leave the chroot to copy things over, before booting into the new one
06:30<ComradeHaz`>jspiros, there really is no 'easy' way. It's a very fundamental change. The other issue is some config files will be different. You really are best advised to do as much as you can humanly bare totally manually.
06:30<jspiros>But 64-bit kernel, I believe, is incompatible with 32-bit fuse filesystems, and I use zfs-fuse on my system
06:30<dba>jspiros: it's exactely the same.
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06:31<kovac>comradehaz, sorry, I need the exact link to install debian live dvd
06:31<dba>kovac: it's exactely the same.
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06:31<jspiros>I guess my main issue is getting the same set of packages installed on the 64-bit install from the 32-bit system
06:31<ComradeHaz`>'install debian live dvd'? I think you are missunderstandifying </bushism> the principal here.
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06:32<jspiros>chrooting would be easiest but I don't think I can do that without 64-bit kernel. I was looking at qemu user mode, as well as at debootstrap and multistrap
06:32<jspiros>So I guess I'm wondering what path I should be taking
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06:33<ompaul>jspiros: is this a server or a desktop or both
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06:34<jspiros>ComradeHaz`: I don't mind doing it manually, but I'd rather not have to boot into a fresh 64-bit system and set it all up manually from there, I'd rather keep my current system running for as much of it as possible, as I rely on this system as a server
06:34<jspiros>ompaul: server, router, nat gateway
06:34<ComradeHaz`>kovac, 'install debian live dvd'? I think you are missunderstandifying </bushism> the principal here..... Further , there are a couple of options. 32 or 64 bit? Gnome or KDE?
06:34<ComradeHaz`>Also, kovac, there is no DVD, they are CD images.
06:34<ompaul>jspiros: what kind of server
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06:35<ComradeHaz`>well, jspiros have you not got another AMD64 based machine you could configure on first?
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06:37<crazyb0y>is there anyway to use my 4GB memory on 32bit system with bigmem kernel ?
06:37<jspiros>ComradeHaz`: No, unfortunately. I was thinking maybe there's some VM solution I could use under 32-bit kernel to do it, but I haven't investigated that
06:37<jspiros>ompaul: It is a machine that I use as my file server, router/gateway machine, and other things
06:37<ComradeHaz`>hmm, you probably could you virtual box
06:38<ComradeHaz`>what about the other way? An old i386 machine that could be the server for a bit?
06:38<jspiros>ComradeHaz`: I am looking now, I think it only supports 64-bit guests on 64-bit hosts
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06:39<ComradeHaz`>jspiros, hmm, that could be the case.
06:39<ompaul>jspiros: ok, you could build a vm and run stuff in it (KVM) but to be honest I do not see how you could get *any noticable* gain in performance even moving from 32bit to 64bit without real downtime - shoulda gone 64 from the off :-/
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06:39<jspiros>ompaul: Only just got 64-bit processor, prior to this was using dual P3s
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06:40<ComradeHaz`>jspiros, what about the other way? An old i386 machine that could be the server for a bit?
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06:41<ompaul>jspiros:my take on it is you are hitting your head against the wall unless you take the box down - back up your data to a spare disk or something start up copy data to new install after installing all packages you want
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06:42<jspiros>ComradeHaz`: A big reason for the switch was that I had a RAID-Z array running on USB externals, and they started to fail, so I wanted to upgrade to newer drives and do RAID-Z2 (RAID-6) with five disks, and decided to go SATA, and I couldn't do SATA without a newer machine
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06:42<kovac>comradehaz, what is the exact name of debian dvd live or cd live? i need the last debian in live cd or dvd
06:42<jspiros>ComradeHaz`: anyway, so, if I moved to the old machine, I wouldn't be able to host my new array, as it doesn't have SATA, and the old disks aren't reliable
06:42<jspiros>ComradeHaz`: so, no, not really :\
06:42<ComradeHaz`>Hmm, shucks.
06:43<ComradeHaz`>[11:34:04] <ComradeHaz`> kovac, 'install debian live dvd'? I think you are missunderstandifying </bushism> the principal here..... Further , there are a couple of options. 32 or 64 bit? Gnome or KDE?
06:43<ComradeHaz`>kovac, answer all the questions and I will click my mouse 3 times for you.
06:43<kovac>but are cd or dvd live to try
06:44<ompaul>kovac: look here
06:44<jspiros>I'm thinking debootstrap or multistrap might be my best option for getting the packages installed
06:44<ComradeHaz`>OK, kovac, let's break this down.
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06:44<ComradeHaz`>kovac, 32 or 64 bit?
06:44<noob22>hi people I have noticed that when i boot my debian lenny it takes a very long time to start the "MTA" which resoves at "exim4" - I actually use only webmail services like Yahoo, so I would like that MTA would not start when booting. How can I do that? - thanx
06:44<ComradeHaz`>kovac, gnome or kde?
06:44<kovac>32 bits
06:44<kovac>centrino duo intel
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06:45<ComradeHaz`>kovac, gnome or kde?
06:45<kovac>what is better desktop?
06:45<kovac>for debian
06:45<ComradeHaz`>Nobody can answer that other than you :D
06:45<ComradeHaz`>ou have to try and see.
06:46<ComradeHaz`>kovac or close your eyes and click on one at random!
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06:47*ComradeHaz` sighs.
06:48<ComradeHaz`>Has he gone yet?! :D
06:48<kovac>comradehaz, how many ram consume kde in debian? 31- 45 per 100 or less
06:48<ComradeHaz`>lol :D
06:48*ComradeHaz` has a nervous breakdown
06:49*ComradeHaz` falls to the floor twitching
06:49<ComradeHaz`>someone call me an ambulance
06:50<jspiros>kovac: I generally think of GNOME as being the more "user friendly" one, and KDE as being as the more "power user", of the two
06:50<jspiros>kovac: but you should figure it out for yourself
06:50<jspiros>kovac: if you are concerned about memory usage, try xfce or something else
06:51<ComradeHaz`>thanks, jspiros :D
06:52<ompaul>ultimately you see all ram being used on a linux box because the system "prewires" it for use - so ram fills up over time and stays full
06:52<kovac>jspiros, sorry kde in debian must be more light than kubuntu kde or not?
06:53<jspiros>kovac: If there is a difference it will be minor, kubuntu might come with more packages installed by default but I can't imagine it being hugely different
06:54<ompaul>kovac: depends on what you use it for - if you use flash it will drink ram like there is no tomorrow as for which is heavier not much in it, do you use fancy desktop effects and so on - the more you do the more you use at some point very early on the debate becomes meaningless - would I rather use debian-kde answer yes
06:54<ComradeHaz`>Guys, if I have pinned a repo to -1 prioirity, how do I install from it?
06:54<jspiros>kovac: if you want to fine tune it, you can of course install only the components of kde that you want, but if you're using a precreated live CD then you're going to have a full KDE installation either way
06:54<ompaul>ComradeHaz`: unpin apt-get update apt-get install PACKAGE and pin it again :)
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06:55<ompaul>ComradeHaz`: it is a bit like messing with one repo add it in hash it out
06:56<ComradeHaz`>Ah, ompaul, then perhaps I didn't want to do what I did :D I want to create the same behaviour for the repo in question as that of the experimental repo
06:56<ComradeHaz`>that is, things are only installed from it if I expressly say so.
06:56<kovac>i need to know if the grub of debian is like the grub of ubuntu or is more beautiful and with colours
06:57<ComradeHaz`>Aboout that ambulance....
06:57<ompaul>kovac: beauty is in the eye of the beholder
06:57<ompaul>kovac: I guess you need to get the CD and try it out because that kind of question is one that you will only wonder about until you have seen
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06:59<ComradeHaz`>ompaul, can you answer my question :D
06:59<ComradeHaz`>Mine seems much more sensible :D
07:00<kovac>the grub of this ubuntu in monochrome and this i dont like me
07:00<kovac>the grub of ubuntu is in monochrome and this i dont like me
07:00<ompaul>ComradeHaz`: I called the virtual ambulance for you :) ehh I don't play around with that let me see if i can find you some nice docs
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07:01<ompaul>kovac: you don't like you? you shouldn't be so hard on yourself, please download the CDs and test them for yourself
07:02*ComradeHaz` cries with a cross between laughter and the impending nervous bbreakdown
07:02<kovac>ok will be a debian kde
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07:03<ompaul>ComradeHaz`: simple to understand version of reality if I understand your question correctly
07:03<ompaul>ComradeHaz`: happy apt-get -t unstable my-package basically after you pin
07:03<ComradeHaz`>not quite ompaul.
07:04<ompaul>ComradeHaz`: you add in experimental and then you apt-get -t experimental
07:04<ComradeHaz`>You missed the important point.
07:04<ompaul>ComradeHaz`: if that is not the answer, can you ask the question again please
07:04<ComradeHaz`>Behaviour *like* experimental for another repo.
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07:05<ompaul>ComradeHaz`: so you pin that repo, or am I missing something here?
07:05<ComradeHaz`>Hmm, it's my inability to explain it.
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07:06<ComradeHaz`>Other thing is I am being summoned. Which is frustrating. But you know what happens if one does not obey She Who Must Be Obeyed!
07:06<ompaul>ComradeHaz`: lets say you have a repo called foo and you pin it at 650 as in the example and 700 for your normal stuff like in that example - you would apt-get -t foo special-package and move on
07:06<ompaul>ComradeHaz`: I do, your dinner is put in the fridge and your slippers into the fire! ;-)
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07:07<ComradeHaz`>:D Fridge? Your lady is too kind! Mine goes to the bin or the dog!
07:07<ompaul>ComradeHaz`: did I say that my dinner can't be refrozen? ;-)
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07:08<ComradeHaz`>!praise our 'better halves'
07:08*dpkg prostrates herself before our 'better halves'. "We're not worthy! We're not worthy!"
07:08<ComradeHaz`>hahaha :D Apt.
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07:10<ComradeHaz`>OK, ompaul, I must have made a mistake before when I tried pinning with a low number above zero. But yeah the behaviour I have now is what I expected but didn't get. Wondering if maybe I didn't 'update' or something.
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07:11<ComradeHaz`>Time to go and Obey. Thanks for the help! Good luck with kovac :D
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07:15<kovac>comradehaz now I am unloading the cd live of debian kde
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07:18<Guest125>no one with problems for logging into freenode?
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07:22<viniciusandre>i'm trying to run "/etc/init.d/dhcp3-server", but it says the file does not exists... how can i recreate it?
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07:23<abrotman>did you remove your dhcp3 server?
07:24<viniciusandre>apt-cache policy dhcp3-server
07:24<viniciusandre>Instalado: 4.1.1-P1-12
07:24<viniciusandre>abrotman, i dont know why the file disappeared
07:24<dpkg>The reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>.
07:25<viniciusandre>abrotman, it used to be there... actually.. but i just use dhcp server sometimes
07:25<viniciusandre>abrotman, thanks!
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07:28<viniciusandre>abrotman, well.. i tried both of the commands, with apt-get and aptitude... none of them made the file come back... =/
07:29<abrotman>viniciusandre: which version fo debian ?
07:29<abrotman>,file init.d/dhcp3-server
07:29<judd>init.d/dhcp3-server in lenny/i386: dhcp3-server: etc/init.d/dhcp3-server
07:29<abrotman>viniciusandre: what is the actual package you used ?
07:29<abrotman>the command should be aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall dhcp3-server
07:30<viniciusandre>it's sid
07:30<viniciusandre>i ran this command
07:30<abrotman>,file init.d/dhcp3-server --release sid
07:30<judd>No packages were found with that file.
07:31<abrotman>well, that might be why .. there's no dhcp3 in sid anymore
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07:32<abrotman>judd: info isc-dhcp-server --release sid
07:32<judd>Package isc-dhcp-server (net, optional) in sid/i386: ISC DHCP server for automatic IP address assignment. Version: 4.1.1-P1-13; Size: 368.3k; Installed: 864k
07:33<abrotman>viniciusandre: apt-cache show dhcp3-server .. it's not a real package anymore
07:34<viniciusandre>well... nice to know
07:34<viniciusandre>using this isc-dhcp-server will break a lot of things here
07:35<abrotman>you're on sid .. it's supposed to break
07:35<abrotman>i hope this isn't a real server
07:35<viniciusandre>abrotman, ... yeah... =/
07:35<viniciusandre>abrotman, no its not
07:35<viniciusandre>abrotman, its just my personal one
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07:39<viniciusandre>abrotman, thanks anyway
07:40<abrotman>you can't keep using old packages ..
07:40<abrotman>well .. you can .. but what's the point of riunning sid if you do that
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07:42<viniciusandre>abrotman, im just trying to figure out how to run the server again here
07:43<abrotman>you have to install the isc-dhcp-server
07:43<viniciusandre>installing the new package wont make the file come back, so im trying to see
07:43<viniciusandre>if the file is in the new package
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07:43<abrotman>it's not
07:44<viniciusandre>im configuring the new dhcp server here
07:44<viniciusandre>it fails to initialize through the new file
07:45<abrotman>through ?
07:45<viniciusandre>/etc/init.d/isc-dhcp-server start
07:46<abrotman>falis why?
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07:48<viniciusandre>dhcpd: Not configured to listen on any interfaces!
07:48<viniciusandre>configuration issues
07:49<petemc>viniciusandre: look in /etc/default/
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07:49<viniciusandre>petemc, humn... thanks
07:49<petemc>it wouldnt do you any harm to look in /usr/share/doc/dhcpd* either
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07:50<viniciusandre>petemc, thanks
07:50<abrotman>petemc: that's crazy talk
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08:02<nihao123>my computer is old
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08:06<kovac>hi, debian cd live kde dont work with my wiffi
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08:13<Constantin>hi all
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08:13<ompaul>kovac: you may need firmware firmware-linux-nonfree is a package
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08:14<rodrigo>hi constantin, how do you see the debian ?
08:14<rodrigo>is the base of other distribuitions?
08:14<kovac>hp love to ubuntu , mandriva and suse but not to debian
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08:15<rodrigo>i am an entusiastan in free software and i know about the others users of debian
08:15<abrotman>kovac: lenny is too old without backports
08:15<Constantin>rodrigo, I like Debian. using "testing" for ~2 years and no serious problems so far :)
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08:17<rodrigo> constantin, a friend me talk:the debian have a 25000 packages?
08:17<rodrigo>its the end of piraty
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08:17<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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08:18<Constantin>rodrigo, why did you ask? carrying out a survey? :)
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08:18<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
08:18<ompaul>abrotman: the word I know from italian :)
08:18<ThisBeMyNick>Hello, does anyone have any experience with wpa_supplicant?
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08:19<faraon>ayde join to European Network Chat :)
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08:20<gsimmons>ThisBeMyNick: You can assume that someone does, try asking a better question.
08:20<faraon>ayde join to European Network Chat :)
08:20<faraon>ayde join to European Network Chat :)
08:20<faraon>ayde join to European Network Chat :)
08:20<faraon>ayde join to European Network Chat :)
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08:20<rodrigo>i am brasilian and here have a costume to use windows, and i dont like to pay for the use of software
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08:21<ThisBeMyNick>sorry, I'm trying to connect to a WPA2 network with a eeePC 4g 701 from the cli. I don't have xorg installed.
08:22<Constantin>ThisBeMyNick, have you tried wicd? it has a CLI version
08:22<ThisBeMyNick>oh, i though it was gui only. thanks.
08:22<rodrigo>thanks all
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08:24<ompaul>abrotman: hmm that word has a .pt/br and it meaning and is similar to es lovely
08:25<Constantin>does anyone know if/when Qt 4.7 will be "debianized"? even "experimental" package is quiet old
08:25<crazyb0y>hello agaian, i need to know is it possible to use all of my 4GB ram on 32bit system with bigmem kernel ?
08:27<Constantin>crazyb0y: according to the "linux-image-2.6-686-bigmem" package description, it's possible
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08:27<crazyb0y>Constantin: yes i'm with bigmem
08:27<Constantin>crazyb0y: then why do you ask? :)
08:28<crazyb0y>because it shows only 3.3GB
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08:32<zy>crazyb0y: but it should be 3.5 GB on non-bigmem system
08:32<crazyb0y>zy: what is wrong ? it shows 3.3GB and i'm using bigmem
08:33<ompaul>crazyb0y: it shows you are using 3.2
08:34<crazyb0y>ompaul: yes
08:34<zy>I do not know
08:34<ompaul>crazyb0y: do a memtest
08:34<Constantin>crazyb0y: may it's a stupid assumption, but are you sure the problem is in the kernel and not 32-bit version of the "free" utility?
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08:36<crazyb0y>Constantin: top, free, etc... is showing it the same
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08:36<Constantin>crazyb0y: just to be sure — what does "cat /proc/meminfo" show?
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08:37<crazyb0y>Constantin: same,
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08:39<ompaul>crazyb0y: this looks like it can't address some of it, question have you a separate video card
08:39<crazyb0y>ompaul: 12MB shared memory for the video card
08:40<ompaul>is the "gap" built in there in the bios?
08:40<crazyb0y>ompaul: sorry, what is gap ?
08:41<Constantin>crazyb0y: take a look at
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08:44<crazyb0y>Constantin: thanks let me check this
08:44<ompaul>crazyb0y: it is some kind of agp hole in the bios
08:44<crazyb0y>i will reboot the machine to see what happens in the bios
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08:51<crazyb0y>ompaul: in the bios it's the same: 4GB
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08:54<crazyb0y>i'm readin on the manufacture site, that it's possible to use 4GB with this motherboard
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08:56<Constantin>crazyb0y: does your system support 64-bit OSes?
08:57<crazyb0y>Constantin: i don't know, the motherboard supports 64bit processor, but i'm using 32bit
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09:00<Constantin>crazyb0y: is there any serious reason not to use the 64-bit OS that doesn't have such problems "by design"?
09:01<crazyb0y>Constantin: nope, this is an old machine when i installed it before 3 years i used 32bit version
09:01<crazyb0y>maybe first, i will try to install a new version of bios
09:03<Constantin>crazyb0y, I think it'd be easier to try a 64-bit system instead of messing with BIOS, kernels, etc. :)
09:04<crazyb0y>Constantin: how can i try a 64bit version ?
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09:05<correa>olaaaaaaaaaaaa sunorm
09:06<Constantin>crazyb0y: download a 64-bit LiveCD or 64-bit installation ISO, burn it and try to boot it. if it boots, then your system supports 64-bit OSes
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09:40<hpvincent>hi all, how can I disable the audio bell in gnome ?
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09:44<cahoot>hpvincent: tried system->prefs->sound->prefs?
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09:48<dpkg>To disable the bell: "xset b off" in X, "setterm -blength 0" in console. For some reason, bash beeps excessively when in emacs (default) mode; "set -o vi" puts it in vi editing mode, which doesn't beep on partial completions. In konsole, Settings->Bell->Visible Bell. See also <pcspkr>, <shell beep>, <metacity bell bug>.
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09:48<hpvincent>cahoot, yes
09:48<hpvincent>the PC beep is already off there
09:49<babilen>hpvincent: For gnome-terminal you can also edit right click → Profiles → Profile Preferences → Terminal Bell
09:49<hpvincent>but I turned off the bell in gnome-terminal, now seems ok
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09:49<hpvincent>does the default gnome windows manager support compositing ?
09:49<babilen>hpvincent: yes
09:49<hpvincent>I don't like compiz too much
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09:50<hpvincent>but I didn't fine how to turn it on in the default one (metacity ?)
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09:50<babilen>give me a second
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09:51<babilen>gconftool-2 -s --type bool /apps/metacity/general/compositing_manager true
09:51<hpvincent>in particular I don't like how compiz keeps putting in front sticky windows when you switch desktops
09:51<hpvincent>thanks a lot
09:51<babilen>you are welcome
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09:54<hpvincent>whaou, metacity with compositing is slow as hell :(
09:54<hpvincent>it's low to switch desktops in fact
09:54<hpvincent>once it has switched, it's OK
09:55<hpvincent>but several seconds to switch desktop is no good
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09:55<babilen>*shrug* -- you might want to make sure that you have hardware rendering. Check the output of glxinfo
09:55<hpvincent>I have, glxgears does > 10000 FPS
09:56<babilen>It was quite fast over here the last time I used it. (Mobility X1400, which is not really a fast card by today's standards)
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09:58<ThisBeMyNick>I installed wicd from backports on a eeePC 4G. But when i start wicd-curses, it does not find any wireless networks.
09:59<hpvincent>let's try to restart X in case of ...
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10:03<hpvincent>well, I guess I'll keep it simple for now :)
10:07<babilen>ThisBeMyNick: Does "iwlist IFACE scan" find any wireless networks? (replace IFACE with the appropriate interface, e.g. wlan0)
10:08<ThisBeMyNick>babilen: It does not find anything
10:09<babilen>ThisBeMyNick: Well, then it is definitely not a wicd related problem. Are you sure that there should actually be a wireless network?
10:10<ThisBeMyNick>babilen: Yes. I have another wireless device online through the wireless network.
10:11<babilen>ThisBeMyNick: Have you been using your wireless adaptor with this computer before? Are you sure that the interface is actually working? Are you sure that you refer to the correct name?
10:12<hpvincent>babilen, are you on testing or sid ?
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10:12<babilen>hpvincent: Squeeze (i.e. testing)
10:12<hpvincent>ok like me
10:12<hpvincent>and you were using fglrx ?
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10:13<babilen>hpvincent: Note that I haven't used Gnome in quite a while, so my experience does not necessarily apply to the versions currently in the archive
10:13<babilen>hpvincent: No, I am using radeon. Works like a charm :)
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10:13<ThisBeMyNick>babilen: I have had Ubuntu installed and working before. And I think I also had Debian working on it once. But that was with GNOME. But now, I do not have any GUI installed.
10:13<hpvincent>it works here too, but a bit slow to render many windows babilen
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10:14<hpvincent>ah and more importantly, it makes this laptop heating much more
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10:14<hpvincent>I read somewhere the open source driver didn't have complete power maagement support yet
10:15<hpvincent>and I definitely observe this
10:15<babilen>ThisBeMyNick: That should not make a difference, or in other words: "iwlist IFACE scan" should find available networks. Which wifi chipset do you use? (Paste output of "lspci -nn|grep -i network")
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10:15<gsimmons>dpkg: tell ThisBeMyNick -about ar2425
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10:15<babilen>gsimmons: Your crystal ball is working well :)
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10:20<ThisBeMyNick>Hmm. It seems that lspci is not even installed and the Eee it not currently online. But I am pretty sure that it is the Atheros chipset.
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10:21<ompaul>ThisBeMyNick: sorry, what media have you installed from or for if you have no gui on a eee?
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10:22<ThisBeMyNick>ompaul: I installed it from the netinst CD with a USB CD drive.
10:23<babilen>ThisBeMyNick: It can be found in the "pciutils" package. But given that gsimmons crystal ball works so well, could you try "modprobe -r ath5k ; modprove ath5k" and paste the output of "dmesg|tail -n 10" to ?
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10:27<troulouliou>hi i would like to know if there is a canal dedicated to tc ?
10:27<troulouliou>tc / qos i mean
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10:29<babilen>what is tc? and is "qos" and acronym for "quality of service" ?
10:29<babilen>and tc?
10:29<troulouliou>tc is the command line for configuring it
10:29<troulouliou>tc is for qos what iptables is for firewall
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10:31<hpvincent>I am trying to use kwin in gnome, but I don't know how to configurate it from within gnome
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10:36<mathijs>hi guys
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10:38<ThisBeMyNick>babilen: Erm the other computer froze, but now I am on the Eee. It was the last 10 lines from dmesk you wanted right?
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10:39<babilen>ThisBeMyNick: yes, "dmesg|tail -n 10" *immediately after* "modprobe -r ath5k ; modprobe ath5k"
10:40<ThisBeMyNick>babilen: got it. Uh, will I be kicked for flooding or something, if I just paste all the lines in?
10:40<babilen>ThisBeMyNick: Paste it to
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10:46<dpkg>simposiarca: VATTENE VIA!
10:47<@weasel>she's called vanessa mae, not vattene via
10:47<simposiarca>dpkg; vai a fare in culo
10:47<dpkg>simposiarca: I don't know, could you explain it?
10:49<simposiarca>vai a fare in culo un altra volta, come ti permetti di cacciare chi non conosci e non ti ha detto o fatto nulla,
10:49<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
10:49<ThisBeMyNick>babilen: I finally got it.
10:50<simposiarca>non mi serve aiuto stavo testando il mio software
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11:00<gsimmons>ThisBeMyNick: You need to install a later kernel for AR2425 support within ath5k. Ask dpkg about bdo kernel ; /msg dpkg bdo kernel
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11:04<ThisBeMyNick>gsimmons: Are you sure? i think I had it running on debian before. Just with GNOME. Oh well, do I have to compile it myself then?
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11:06<babilen>ThisBeMyNick: No you can install it from backports
11:06<babilen>!bdo kernel
11:06<dpkg>Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are distributed via Ask me about <bdo> to add to your sources.list correctly. You can then "aptitude update && aptitude -t lenny-backports install linux-image-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,'`" (i.e. linux-image-686, linux-image-amd64). "/msg judd kernels" to see a list of kernels in Debian.
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11:09<babilen>ThisBeMyNick: Another option would be to upgrade your system to Squeeze which will, among a lot of other things, also install a newer kernel
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11:10<ThisBeMyNick>babilen: thanks. I already got backports installed so I culd install wicd. 2.6.32 is downloading now.
11:10<ThisBeMyNick>gsimmons: And thanks to you too. :-)
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11:26<spacm>could you tell me please what is the purpose of this chan (for developpers, anyone, newbs, questions) ?
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11:27<ompaul>spacm: you ask a full question with some context about a problem you are having with debian and we see if we can answer it you may have to wait a while
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11:29<ThisBeMyNick>Just wanted to say installing the new kernel from backports worked. Thank you guys. :-)
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11:29<babilen>ThisBeMyNick: Wonderful, enjoy it!
11:30<Kurdistan>hey dear debian users. which of debian desktop are fastest (upstart) debian xfce or lxde?
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11:31<spacm>well, i tried to install a sid amd64 on en core i7 with netboot. The system is working, but how could i verify i actually have an amd64 installed?
11:32<babilen>spacm: Execute "dpkg --print-architecture"
11:32<babilen>spacm: Also "uname -a" will tell you more details about the kernel ...
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11:33<spacm>the fact is that uname -a tells me i have a 686 kernel
11:33<spacm>dpkg tells me i'm on i386
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11:33<@weasel>then you didn't install the 64 bit version of debian
11:33<babilen>then you installed a i386 system
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11:34<spacm>seems so. i'll re-try my install
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11:35<babilen>spacm: Make sure to use images for amd64 -- You can get the installer for Squeeze at
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11:35<spacm>shall i report somewhere if i still get a i386 with the netboot image taken in sid, amd64?
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11:38<spacm>is it better to use squeeze than sid on this architecture?
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11:39<spacm>ok, i think i've seen one of my mistakes
11:39<spacm>thanks a lot
11:40<ABW|Lozer>I'm getting a rather interesting issue with debian's network handling
11:41<ABW|Lozer>I'm finding that after 2-24 hours the network eth0 and eth1, although statically set, suddenly vanish as if never configured
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11:42<ABW|Lozer>rebooting does not bring it back with ip information sometimes
11:42<ompaul>spacm: sid will keep changing after squeeze will be released - the other item I think I'll leave alone
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11:43<ABW|Lozer>could this be a kernel issue or are the kernel and ethernet separated?
11:43<ompaul>ABW|Lozer: if it was a kernel issue I think we would see a lot of people complaining about it, networking comes from the kernel
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11:45<ABW|Lozer>This sucks, I don't know what explains the sudden forgetfulness of eth0 and eth1, even after a clean installation....
11:45<ompaul>ABW|Lozer: it is happening a lot?
11:45<ABW|Lozer>every day so far
11:45<ABW|Lozer>i have to reboot to get it back online
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11:45<ompaul>ABW|Lozer: do you have dhcp set up on the lan?
11:45<ABW|Lozer>it didn't work two days ago and suggested a reformat to the customer
11:46<ABW|Lozer>no, we have to statically set the ip addresses
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11:46<ABW|Lozer>it's located in a datacenter using some cisco 2950 or something
11:46<imganquan>hi all. How to open a gnome-terminal and auto maximize?
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11:47<ABW|Lozer>I've put about 100 usd into kvm/ip and what not, to no success so far
11:47<ompaul>ABW|Lozer cards faulty? switch faulty, can you connect via a console?
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11:47<ABW|Lozer>console works, kvm/ip works as well
11:48<ABW|Lozer>but i think the kvm uses its own dedicated ip and connected to the same switch
11:48<ABW|Lozer>at first i thought the ethernet port was going into sleep mode and just forgetting everything
11:48<ompaul>ABW|Lozer: yeah so log in on the on a console and check to see if you can ifconfig -a
11:48<Kurdistan>any here trying out debian xfce or lxde?
11:49<ABW|Lozer>i believe the last time i did that, it displayed nothing at all
11:49<ABW|Lozer>ifupdown wasn't installed either
11:50<ompaul>ABW|Lozer: hardware failing, the -a will say if there is anything there, I also had a funny case once where something triggered a dhcp request which broke stuff, so I set the ip on a dhcp server on the same lan fixed that issue but did not solve the problem
11:50<ABW|Lozer>sometimes, it displays the lo
11:51<ABW|Lozer>but it usually disables eth0 and eth1 and i have to bring the interface up
11:52<ABW|Lozer>but i still have to set the ip address with route and the gateway info
11:52<ompaul>ABW|Lozer: I'd be inclined to decommission that until I worked out what was dead and or alive, and you say a clean install does not work, very strange, looks like hardware failure to me.]
11:53<ABW|Lozer>so an intermitten hardware failure? :o
11:53<ABW|Lozer>i wonder if that's possible...
11:53<ompaul>ABW|Lozer: hardware heats up and board says meh
11:54<ABW|Lozer>so it suddenly just stops working and comes back after a reboot....
11:54<ABW|Lozer>well, luckily i have 2 more server boards on hand
11:54<ABW|Lozer>if that doesn't work, i don't know wtf is wrong.
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11:55<ABW|Lozer>well, I'll idle here if people may have other ideas, because i'm fresh out
11:55<ompaul>ABW|Lozer: if that doesn't work I can say this, you said there was a clean install was it from a set of preconfigured pakages or from the internets directly?
11:56<ABW|Lozer>er, it was the amd64 located on's ftp or whatever, installed with the bare minimum, reiserfs(customer request, installation worked fine for over 1 year)
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11:56<ABW|Lozer>actually, probably shoudl hav ementioned that
11:56<ABW|Lozer>this setup worked fine for over a year
11:57<ABW|Lozer>the only change hardware wise was it was removed from a 4u case to a 1u
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11:57<ABW|Lozer>so heat si a very possible factor, although his other server is working just fine with the same hardware located in it
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11:57<ompaul>it wasn't moved about
11:57<ompaul>or even if it was that would not be a good metric
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11:59<ABW|Lozer>unracked, replaced case, reracked
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11:59<ABW|Lozer>not any sudden shocking of movements
12:01<ompaul>ABW|Lozer: you don't know about the person who built the box before you etc
12:02<ompaul>stress over time etc
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12:02<ABW|Lozer>I built it :(
12:03<ABW|Lozer>dual e5405, Asus DSBV-DX 12GB A-DATA 2GB ram, 350watt psu, 2 seagate 1tb 7200.11/12 drives (can't remember which)
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12:03<ompaul>ABW|Lozer: so you're happy enough with that, ram going faulty?
12:03<MadCow>is gnu parallel not packaged in debian or am I just too dumb to find it? (
12:03<linuxmintnooob>can anyone help me configure x?
12:03<MadCow>only found a different less capable parallel in moreutils :/
12:04<ompaul>linuxmintnooob: there is a mint channel this is not it ;-)
12:04<dpkg>Linux Mint is a distribution based on <Ubuntu>, which also has a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) available, based on <testing>. Neither is supported in #debian. Please use their forums at or join #linuxmint-help on for support. See also <based on Debian>.
12:04<linuxmintnooob>thank you
12:04<ABW|Lozer>happy enough that i didn't have any issues in over a year or so
12:05<ABW|Lozer>i think perhaps he upgraded his kernel version, but i didn't get to see the bootloader before the reformat, so i'm not sure
12:05<ompaul>ABW|Lozer: I had a box lose ram after 1 year it then would work for random amounts of time
12:05<ABW|Lozer>it displays error messages
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12:05<ABW|Lozer>but it always had
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12:05<ompaul>ABW|Lozer: have fun reading the syslog messages
12:06<ABW|Lozer>it wasn't fun :(
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12:06<ABW|Lozer>well, i guess i'm stuck with replacing the whole system then, although if that fixes this issue, then i'm going to be one happy camper
12:07<ABW|Lozer>thanks for your help :D
12:07<ompaul>ABW|Lozer: just for pig iron move the ports on the switch ;-)
12:07<ABW|Lozer>was done
12:07<ABW|Lozer>cables replaced as well
12:07<ABW|Lozer>much to the grumbling of the tech who had to walk 200 light years to do so
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12:31<terminatorthree>hi, anybody here who can help with openvpn?
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12:34<@weasel>you haven't even asked anything
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12:38<terminatorthree>so what i want to do is connect networks using bridging
12:38<terminatorthree>i have 1 ubuntu vps and want to bridge my home network to it
12:39<terminatorthree>so vps is server with ip, client get 7.2 and bridges it to eth1
12:39<terminatorthree>but client behind 7.2 cannot reach 7.1
12:39<terminatorthree>what logs or configs do you need ?
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12:44<jordanm>terminatorthree: where does debian come in?
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12:45<terminatorthree>thats a good question, but i though openvpn config must be nearly the same in ubuntu and debian
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12:46<jordanm>we don't know that, they could apply custom patches like they do to many other things
12:46<jordanm>see #openvpn or #ubuntu on
12:46<terminatorthree>hmm ok thanks but noby knows anythink there it seems
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12:47<rpetre>terminatorthree: nobody wants to risk giving you a wrong answer based on false assumptions
12:47<terminatorthree>what do you mean by "false assumptions"?
12:48<rpetre>assuming that your setup is similar to ours
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12:48<jordanm>rpetre: some us just plain don't want to support distros we don't use
12:48<terminatorthree>thats what i think yes
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12:49<rpetre>jordanm: i know, i'm just explaining this is to protect both parties :)
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12:50<terminatorthree>well being protected is not what i actually need, but openvpn is what i need ^
12:50<rpetre>terminatorthree: i might suspect its due to improper routing on the remote side
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12:51<terminatorthree>hmm ok thanks for the hint but i am using bridged mode so there should be no routing right?
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12:53<mjt>is there a way to blacklist a module from kernel command line?
12:54<jordanm>mjt: echo 'blacklist foo' >> /etc/modprobe.d/local.conf
12:54<mjt>that wont work obviously
12:54<jordanm>why is that?
12:54<mjt>because kernel does not understand shell syntax
12:55<jordanm>did you just mean that you want to remove the module?
12:55<mjt>< mjt> is there a way to blacklist a module from _kernel_ command line?
12:55<@weasel>06-06-2007 22:01:53 <weasel> sparc debian-installer d-i text boot net0:,boot.img,,,3,3, dmfe.blacklist=yes DEBIAN_FRONTEND=text
12:55<@weasel>so back then $module.blacklist=yes worked
12:55<@weasel>not sure if that's module specific
12:55*mjt looks at modprobe.c...
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12:56<mjt>it gets translated to `options $module blacklist=yes' by modprobe
12:57<mjt>no, it doesn't work :)
12:57<@weasel>might be a d-i feature too
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12:59<mjt>forgot to include fbcon, now udev (how i hate it!) loads nouveau and my screen is blank ;)
12:59<@weasel>mjt: is the initrd loading the module?
12:59<mjt>no it's udev on real root
12:59<@weasel>boot with init=/bin/sh
12:59<mjt>i can stop there and change things from initrd
12:59<@weasel>Sun 18:54:18 <jordanm> mjt: echo 'blacklist foo' >> /etc/modprobe.d/local.conf
12:59<@weasel>do that, reboot?
13:00<mjt>sure that will work
13:00<mjt>was just hoping there's an easy command-line way :)
13:00<@weasel>init=/bin/sh is the easy command line way :)
13:01<mjt>not if rootfs is readonly too :)
13:01<@weasel>remount it
13:01<mjt>it's squashfs here
13:01<mjt>but ok
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13:02<mjt>i'm trying to create a rescue cd/usb here. tested it in a virtual machine, it worked, now i'm trying it on a real hw - and discovered i forgot this kms gem. Maybe something else but i can't check since no console output
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13:03*weasel just uses existing rescue images :)
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13:03<jordanm>same here.. we already have debian-live, grml, and knoppix for live environments
13:04<mjt>i never used any. Since kernel 2.0 days i build my own. Maybe it's my mistake actually - at _that_ time ther weren't ones which were sufficient for me, now there should be...
13:04<mjt>ditto for initramfs - i use my own still
13:05<jordanm>my debian initramfs was failing to generate last night. I will be looking into that today.
13:06<jordanm>it appeared to be related in some way to os-prober
13:07<mjt>speaking of initramfs.. is there any chance to sort out busybox package in debian? Lots of bugreports, most are obsolete long time ago, everything's ignored...
13:07<mjt>i maintain busybox-mjt here because of that.
13:08<mjt>i mean, is there any hope in _trying_ to sort it out?
13:08<jordanm>typically, anyone is welcome to traige and submit patches
13:09<mjt>if the bugreports are ignored there's no reason to submit anything
13:09<mjt>i've other ways to waste my time :)
13:10<jordanm>perhaps debian-boot is just short on manpower
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13:16<zumbi>mjt: same here respect busybox
13:17<zumbi>mjt: i guess busybox is just for satisfying d-i purposes
13:18<rujasu>Hello, I'm having some trouble setting up a Leadtek Winfast tuner card. I'm following the instructions here:, and recompiled the kernel, so it's autodetecting the tuner type properly. However, the modules.conf step has me a bit tripped up, as I'm not sure how to use that with Debian. Does anyone know how to make /etc/modules.conf autoload under Debian/sid? Or if there is a new process
13:18<rujasu>that has superceded modules.conf?
13:18<mjt>sh*t. blacklist pci:v*d*sv*sd*bc03sc*i* - and it' sstill here.
13:19<mjt>if the module recognizes your device there's no additional steps needed
13:19<mjt>at least usually
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13:20<cahoot>put it in /etc/modules?
13:20<mjt>that guide is written for 2.4 kernel which used different module loading package
13:20<mjt>modutils it was, with /etc/modules.conf
13:20<mjt>it's usually recommended to use /etc/modprobe.d/
13:21<mjt>instead of /etc/modules
13:22<mjt>so.. any way to blacklist all video devices?
13:22<mjt>"blacklist pci:v*d*sv*sd*bc03sc*i" does not work -- blacklist in modprobe uses strcmp(), not fnmatch()
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13:23<mjt>rujasu: i highly doubt you need to recompile your kernel
13:24<fabiim>Hi , I'm running low on free space on /usr and i have a lot of space in /home partition , can i resize these easily? I run debian lenny , with gnome . Gparted can't resize them ...
13:24<rujasu>not surprising, I'm aware there's a ton of really old documentation out there for Debian
13:24<mjt>that page last Updated on October 15th, 2003 -- it's obsolete
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13:24<rujasu>recompilling the kernel did fix the autodetection issue though.
13:26<rujasu>unfortunately, still no picture.
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13:27<mjt>heck. what's "NTSC card" or "PAL card" ? They all understsand both these days ;)
13:27<fabiim>Can't I add a folder in home to serve space in /usr ?
13:27<rujasu>well, the card that I have doesn't, it's old enough to be talked about in that 2003 page :P
13:27<mjt>ok ;)
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13:29<mjt>rujasu: is it bttv driver?
13:29<rujasu> -- this page looks a bit more modern
13:29<rujasu>yeah, bttv, it's the Leadtek Winfast 200 XP
13:29<rujasu>*2000 XP
13:29<mjt>do a modinfo bttv
13:29<mjt>and see parameters that module have
13:30<mjt>hmm. i don't see how to set tuner type in there :)
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13:31<mjt>aha, tuner=nn
13:31<mjt>so instead of recompiling yuo can modprobe bttv tuner=5
13:31<mjt>(after rmmod bttv)
13:32<rujasu>right. Apparently that messes up lirc, but I don't care about that.
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13:33<mjt>tuner=nn does not
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13:34<mjt>that page you quoted last - don't create the file it mentions (and when you actually do, give it a .conf suffix) - experiment with modprobe first to get it to work, and add results to that file
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13:35<mjt>rmmod bttv; modprobe bttv tuner=ff other=bar ...; check; repeat ;)
13:36<rujasu>tried: modprobe bttv radio=0 card=34 tuner=2 gbuffers=8
13:36<rujasu>no picture
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13:53<oz>what is this?
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13:54<Guest153>i am new to this
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14:43<hpvincent>is JFS supported as root FS on debian ?
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14:45<hpvincent>I can't use ext4 because it crashes with the openvz kernel :/
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14:46<hpvincent>alright, I'll take jfs then, I'm used to it
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14:47<hpvincent>streuner__, I was asking because it doesn't seem to be compiled in the kernel,so I guess it's a module
14:48<petemc> cat /proc/filesystems
14:48<hpvincent>it's not ehre
14:48<hpvincent>but I didnt load the module :)
14:49<hpvincent>I suppose it 's in the initrd
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14:49<ompaul>and it can't find what is not loaded which means that to boot it you are going to have do maintain a delta from the standard kernel until the end of your install, your call
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14:49<streuner__>amset:/boot# grep -i jfs config-`uname -r`
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14:50<hpvincent>well I plan to copy an already installed system on a new partition
14:50<ompaul>a block copy or a file copy?
14:50<hpvincent>file copy
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14:51<hpvincent>to convert from ext4 (which crash with openvz kernel) to jfs
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14:51<Darth_Revan>Greetings to everyone. Does someone know what happend with "Alexei Sorokin" profile on
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14:53<Darth_Revan>Created by me page stable now. I want to translate to russian it now.
14:54<hpvincent>ok so for JFS, I'll have to update my initramrf maybe ? or is jfs included by default ?
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14:59<streuner__>official Debian Kernels use JFS, its also in d-i (debian-installer)...
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15:02<streuner>not sure about the image openvz, but it should support JFS too
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15:06<adri>Hello, after recent updates I have a problem. When i open the clip in full screen via the browser closes.
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15:08<devil>adri: you are not saying much for using 20 words
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15:08<devil>but i guess you are on about flash in iceweasel
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15:24<current> Some packages used to get the mode bits to 000 during their upgrade. For example dpkgi, apt, aptitude, coreutils. So I have to use chmod after upgrades. Any idea why? Debian Squezze, normal nearly minimal install:)) except the root partition is encrypted. Sorry for my bad English.
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15:45<mario>hi guys
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15:46<mario>how to use bt4 in portugues
15:47<dpkg>i guess bt is Bhutan, or <bluetooth>, or British Telecom, or <bittorrent>, or <BackTrack>.
15:48<mario>back track 4
15:48<dpkg>BackTrack is not Debian and is not supported in #debian (ask me about <based on debian>). Try or #backtrack-linux on instead. BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux.
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16:04<nathan>hey everyone! I used to be able to change my box firewall s settings by loggin me on but now this page is unavailable... i tried to ping it but host unreachable... here is my ifconfig return :
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16:08<jsubl2>whats a good choice for bluetooth on squeeze using kde. need to access stuff on the cell phone occasionally
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16:15<petemc>nathan: you cant read that output yourself?
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16:15<nathan>petemc, yes i can read it
16:16<petemc>so whats your question?
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16:51<Blitzmerker>Hi, is there a way to let evolution check for new mails (every 10 min or so) if it is not running?
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16:54<rpetre>how would it check without running? :)
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16:57<john>Hi, is it possible to mount ntfs partitions by just running the debian installer?
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16:58<john>e.g. booting an installer, get a prompt and mount -t ntfs /dev/sda or sth?
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16:58<Blitzmerker>rpetre: it could run in a deamon or so
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16:59<petemc>Blitzmerker: there may be an applet that works with gnome panel, there is in ubuntu iirc
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17:03<john>iirc = if i remember correctly
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17:03<smv>Blitzmerker, only if you use another application, but not evolution itself. this feature was not created, even there was a huge demand for it.
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17:05<Blitzmerker>another application? like what?
17:06<smv>john, i suppose that after the modules for disk partitioning are loaded you might use the mount command manually, after switching to another tty. but i might be wrong.
17:07<john>smv, thanks
17:07<john>i'll give it a try
17:07<smv>Blitzmerker, mail notification. BUT you have to recompile it if you want SSL support with it.
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17:12<Blitzmerker>I have mail-notification-evolution installed, but I only get a message when I tell evolution to check my mails
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17:13<smv>there's a different aplication.
17:14<smv>,versions mailn-otification
17:14<judd>Sorry, no package named 'mailn-otification' was found in i386.
17:14<smv>,versions mail-notification
17:14<judd>Package mail-notification on i386 -- etch: 3.0.dfsg.1-10+b1; lenny: 4.1.dfsg.1-4.1+b2; sid: 5.4.dfsg.1-2.2; squeeze: 5.4.dfsg.1-2.2
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17:23<leto>can you help me to up server dns in ububntu 10.10
17:23<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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17:27<Blitzmerker>if I have email-notification running to says it cannot connect to evolution (because it is not running)
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17:30<smv>with mail-notification you can connect directly to the email server. it will maintain a separate conection with it, and you can set it to open evolution when you want to check the mail. but remember it does not have SSL enabled and your passwords wil not be sent encrypted to the server!
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17:41<Blitzmerker>smv: great it is working now thanks :)
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17:44<shiznatix>Hi. I have some .mkv video files which has a subtitle file with them. I have been trying to play them but they are always very choppy on my computer. I know the hardware is fine since the same machine on windows plays them just fine. I have tried totem and vlc with the same result, any suggestions?
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18:16<vook>I think this bfs scheduler is killing my battery
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18:21<vook>yep - it's a crying shame. 2.6.36 with the bfs scheduler kills my fully charged macbook pro battery in less than an hour. something isn't right.
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18:22<mjt>2.6.36 is only in experimental in debian
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18:23<vook>ya, I know - I'm lending my machine to testing/experimenting
18:23<vook>I should report it I suppose
18:24<mjt>is bfs in 2.6.36?
18:24<vook>no - I applied a patch
18:24<mjt>and how useful it is to report, at least to debian?
18:24<mjt>if you want to, report it upstream
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18:24<vook>it's fast - very responsive.
18:25<mjt>it's not in debian
18:25<vook>well - a report of an experience could be useful - I see though, this is offtopic.
18:25<vook>fair enough mjt
18:26<mjt>no, seriously, if you want to, report it upstream
18:26<vook>how ?
18:26<vook>I'm new at this
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18:26<mjt>no idea about bfs
18:27<mjt>most likely to ck
18:28<vook>-vook searches for the meaning of ck...
18:28<mjt>"Configure your kernel with 1000Hz, preempt ON and disable dynamic ticks" - if you did that, it'll indeed draw your battery.
18:28*vook searches
18:29<mjt>ck - Con Kolivas, author of bfs
18:29<mjt>you can join #ck on
18:29<mjt>ok. enough offtopic i think :)
18:29<vook>thanks, that's helpful
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18:48<polyscyth>any idea why my brand new install of apache on debian isn't locally accessible through
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18:48<relajo>polyscyth, maybe there is another app running on that port
18:48<slush>is it even running?
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18:48<slush>did you check logfiles?
18:49<relajo>or the hostname maybe is set up right but as slush says the logfiles will tell you
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18:53<polyscyth>relajo, slush: trying to start apache2 says: Address already in use: make_sock: could not bind to address no listening sockets available, shutting down.... netstat --listen --inet shows nothing's listening
18:53<polyscyth>also says "unable to open logs"
18:54<relajo>are you running it as root?
18:54<polyscyth>ps aux | grep apache and ps aux | grep http show nothing running either
18:54<polyscyth>i'm executing the control script as root
18:54<slush>there's your answer on your initial question, now you need to work on those errors
18:55<polyscyth>using /etc/init.d/apache2 start (as root)
18:55<relajo>what does netstat says?
18:55<relajo>netstat -plan |grep 80
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18:57*slush is more curious about 'apache2ctl configtest'
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18:57<polyscyth>i have a udp port 807 and lots of sockets
18:58<polyscyth>apache2ctl configtest: Syntax OK
18:58<relajo>have you tried to /etc/init.d/apache restart ?
18:59<slush>you should use the apache2ctl tool
18:59<slush>instead of the init script
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19:00<jhutchins_lt>slush: Why? I've always used the initscript.
19:00<relajo>same here
19:01<slush>cause the tool has extra checks 'n stuff
19:01<polyscyth>if by /etc/init.d/apache restart you mean /etc/init.d/apache2 restart it just results in the same stuff as before when trying to just start
19:02<jhutchins_lt>slush: Why doesn't the init script just call it then?
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19:03<slush>jhutchins_lt: I didn't say it doesnt
19:03<relajo>there should be something interesting there in the logs
19:03<slush>but output is different and the tool can give you more information
19:03<polyscyth>apache2ctl start says "(98)Address already in use....."
19:03<relajo>slush, nice tip
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19:04<slush>polyscyth: what arch and version of debian do you use
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19:05<polyscyth>i386 lenny
19:06<slush>relajo, jhutchins_lt: I used to use the init script too, but discovered years ago that the apache2ctl tool is much more convienient
19:06<slush>polyscyth: still, nothing in the logs then?
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19:11<relajo>seems like the log have have eaten the poor polyscyth
19:11<polyscyth>no, not quite yet! since i've tried to start with apache2ctl start there have been two logs that changed: auth.log and syslog... auth.log talks about pam_unix sessions closed for user root and syslog was talking about some sort of cron job involving php
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19:12<slush>well, that's kinda normal
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19:12<slush>you need to check apache's logs
19:12<polyscyth>apache specific logs are empty
19:13<polyscyth>which makes sense b/c when starting apache it says that it couldn't open the logs
19:14<slush>pastebin the output of 'aptitude search ~iapache2'
19:14<polyscyth>which are owned by root:adm with 640 permissions... i assume that's correct since i didn't monkey with it
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19:14<dpkg>apache2 is actually version 2.2 in Debian Lenny and Squeeze and is a virtual package provided by a worker (ask me about <apache2 mpm>). Ask me about <install apache> and <apache manual>. Additional help in #httpd on Apache 1.3 is no longer provided (see <apache 1.3>)
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19:18<gencha>so, generally, how far should one go with debconf in his package? like, should only the most critical configuration steps be adressed at that stage or should the package pretty much be fully configured after the installation?
19:18<gencha>i, personally, feel like the latter would be more desireable
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19:20<polyscyth>everything look good?
19:21<slush>polyscyth: yes, looks okay
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19:21<polyscyth>too bad
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19:22<slush>polyscyth: your errors are rather uncommon, certainly on fresh installs apache works out of the box
19:23<polyscyth>i thought my firewall may have blocked something, tried turning it off, didn't help
19:23<jhutchins_lt>gencha: If it can be configured in a generically minimal functional way that would be what I would expect, plus possibly some notice if further configuration is desired.
19:23<slush>nah, that wouldnt give you 'address already in use'
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19:24<slush>polyscyth: what does 'apache2ctl -S' tells you
19:24<jhutchins_lt>gencha: I know of some programs that can be somewhat complexly configured using only debconf, and other stuff that's trivial and requires user setup. Depends on the package.
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19:24<jhutchins_lt>slush: You get the port already in use message if the port is defined more than once in the file.
19:24<jhutchins_lt>slush: Have you check any of the guides above?
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19:25<slush>jhutchins_lt: why whould I ? :)
19:25<gencha>well, the settings needed for my package are all simple (hostnames, ports, bools) but there are like 20 settings. i've just never come across a package with the same amount of debconf useage
19:25<jhutchins_lt>sorry, loosing track of the querent again.
19:25<gencha>so i thought i better get a second opinion ;)
19:26<polyscyth>apache2ctl -S says "Syntax OK"
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19:26<slush>polyscyth: that cant be right
19:26<gencha>jhutchins_lt: so, thanks
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19:29<relajo>polyscyth, pastebin the output of netstat -pln|grep LIS
19:29<polyscyth>ok, just the non-socket stuff
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19:30<relajo>yes please
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19:31<slush>while you're at it, pastebin 'cat /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default'
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19:36<thefatloverboy_>dpkg: error en el análisis
19:36<dpkg>thefatloverboy_: i haven't a clue
19:36<thefatloverboy_>what ś that ?
19:36<relajo>thefatloverboy_, where are you from?
19:37<thefatloverboy_>dominican republic
19:37<relajo>de que parte ?
19:37<thefatloverboy_>de san cristobal
19:38<relajo>mierda que bien
19:38<thefatloverboy_>y tu ?
19:38<thefatloverboy_>jejeje por que ?
19:38<relajo>de santo domingo
19:38<slush>keep it in english, guys
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19:38<relajo>por que no todos los dias se encuentra a un dominicano en un cana de debian
19:38<thefatloverboy_>talk in english
19:39<relajo>thefatloverboy_, what are you trying to do with dpkg?
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19:39<thefatloverboy_>i have a problem when im tring to upgrade
19:40<thefatloverboy_>it say error dpkg
19:40<streuner>show us the whole log/error and your sources.list in a pastebin
19:40<thefatloverboy_>and i dont know whta to do
19:40<relajo>are you trying to do an dist-upgrade
19:40<slush>polyscyth: I dont have a clue right now (but maybe that's because I'm tired), but you might want to try 'apache2ctl -e debug -k start' and see if debugging can help you
19:40<thefatloverboy_>but i cant
19:41<thefatloverboy_>let me show
19:41<streuner>if you dont tell us details we arent able to help
19:41<relajo>polyscyth, what about the netstat thing?
19:41<thefatloverboy_>ub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2)
19:41<thefatloverboy_>thefatloverboy@thefatloverboy-desktop:~/Escritorio$ /var/lib/dpkg/statu
19:41<thefatloverboy_>bash: /var/lib/dpkg/statu: No existe el archivo o directorio
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19:42<polyscyth>apr_sockaddr_info_get() failed for host.... Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using for ServerName
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19:43<thefatloverboy_>ub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2)
19:43<thefatloverboy_>thefatloverboy@thefatloverboy-desktop:~/Escritorio$ /var/lib/dpkg/statu
19:43<thefatloverboy_>bash: /var/lib/dpkg/statu: No existe el archivo o directorio
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19:43<themill>dpkg: tell thefatloverboy_ about paste
19:43<streuner>themill: too late, i guess :-P
19:43<relajo>seems like some people never learn
19:44<themill>and it's exactly the same useless crap too
19:44<streuner>yep, we need to tell him to show us the error in english...
19:44*streuner just forget how to tell the error in english...
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19:45<cthuluh>LC_ALL=C command
19:45<relajo>maybe i could help him if he doesnt get kicked again
19:45<streuner>cthuluh: ah, thanks
19:45<streuner>thats true too
19:47<polyscyth>relajo, netstat doesn't show a port 80 listening or http
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19:49<polyscyth>but the apache2ctl -e debug -k start command is still running
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19:50<relajo>polyscyth, thats pretty odd
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19:50<themill>thefatloverboy_: please stop pasting
19:50<thefatloverboy_>ok sorry
19:51<thefatloverboy_>so can any one of you help me ?
19:51<thefatloverboy_>i have a problem
19:51<cthuluh>thefatloverboy_: run LC_ALL=C apt-get upgrade
19:52<cthuluh>or aptitude safe-upgrade, depends on what you ran previously
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19:52<cthuluh>then paste the result on a pastebin
19:52<streuner>dpkg, pastebin
19:52<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <>, <wgetpaste>.
19:53<relajo>what is the main diference from aptitude and apt-get
19:53<streuner>!why aptitude
19:53<dpkg>aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). For some upgrades (lenny->squeeze) apt-get is better though. Be careful.
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19:53<thefatloverboy_>not finded
19:53<cthuluh>thefatloverboy_: you need to run this command as root or using sudo, as you tried previously
19:55<mattcen>Interesting; Are there any more references as to why apt-get is better for a lenny->squeeze upgrade? I did it with aptitude the other day, but I may've just been lucky (I only had a base install of Lenny I think)
19:55<thefatloverboy_>doest work
19:56<waxhead>I am running squeeze and have two nvidia cards in my system. One 8600gts who drives 2 monitors and one 7300 who (are supposed) to drive another monitor. I know that in a tri-monitor setup I won't be able to drag windows between screens but not tainting my stuff with propitary drivers I am unavble to fire up the 7300 card. Using nouveau. Any ideas?
19:56<thefatloverboy_>Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned
19:56<cthuluh>thefatloverboy_: cool
19:56<themill>thefatloverboy_: you need to put the command you gave and the *entire* output in a pastebin at
19:57<streuner>thefatloverboy_: please pastebin your sources.list too
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20:00<waxhead>and another thing. Will the 200 line "miracle" patch be merged with the squeeze kernel?
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20:00*waxhead should have said will it be squeezed in the squeeze kernel :P
20:01<celtic>"error in the analysis" [? spanish?]
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20:01<Root_Hack>Hi all
20:01<celtic>... that's what happens when you're scrolled halfway up the conversation.
20:01<polyscyth>apparently whatever is running on pid 22012 is the result of apache2ctl -e debug -k start but it isn't listening on any interface
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20:02<streuner>good, just give us the URL
20:02<Root_Hack>any chicks wanna fuck,
20:02<polyscyth>heh, pretty funny
20:03<Root_Hack>haha J/k. I had to say that. For some reason or another
20:03<relajo>it is always the channel this chatty?
20:03<Root_Hack>so whats new anybody? Anything coool and exciting
20:04<ex0>Hello, I want to change my login window but I dont have it in System>Preferences ..
20:04<dpkg>#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
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20:04<ex0>I need an extra package?
20:05<ex0>Hello, I want to change my login window but I dont have it in System>Preferences .. I need an extra package?
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20:05<polyscyth>i keep seeing "apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using for ServerName" pop up from time to time, could this have anything to do with the fact that apache2 won't bind to an address?
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20:06<celtic>polyscyth: no, that's a normal message
20:06<celtic>or at least, not an error condition. It doesn't mean it's failing to bind
20:06<polyscyth>ex0: on my system 'login window' is in system->administration
20:07<polyscyth>well, i'm stumped, i'll go and drink a few beers and think about other stuff
20:07<ex0>polyscyth: debian squeeze? I dont see that
20:07<polyscyth>ah, i don't use squeeze
20:08<streuner>thefatloverboy_: that URL gave us zero infos, maybe you try it another time
20:08<polyscyth>on lenny it's there by default AFAIK
20:08<thefatloverboy_>well ok
20:08<ex0>Amm ok..
20:08<polyscyth>bye all, thanks for the attempted helps, yall
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20:09<ex0>I think it's not ready at all for squeeze
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20:09<thefatloverboy_>see this one
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20:09<ex0>polyscyth: can you give me the `command` of login window screen?
20:10<streuner>dpkg, Xubuntu
20:10<dpkg>Xubuntu is a derivative of <Ubuntu> with the <Xfce> desktop environment. It is not supported in #debian, join #xubuntu on for support. See also <based on debian>.
20:10<themill>thefatloverboy_: you actually want #ubuntu on
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20:12<SQlvpapir>when I copy files to a SD card, the File Operations bar in Gnome is all jerky, as if it cant track the progress of a single file being copied. is that the case, or is something wrong?
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20:16<thefatloverboy__>Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code
20:16<streuner>thefatloverboy__: what kind of IRC-Client do you use?
20:17<thefatloverboy__>xchat irc
20:17<cthuluh>please be more precise, thefatloverboy__
20:17<cthuluh>!ubuntu > thefatloverboy__
20:17<dpkg>> thefatloverboy__: Please take your Ubuntu question to #ubuntu on as they are able to help you much better with Ubuntu questions than #debian. Ubuntu can be quite different from Debian, #debian is not just a version of #ubuntu for advanced Ubuntu users.
20:18<streuner>thefatloverboy__: well, just go into X-Chat network-list and edit it to #ubuntu
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20:47<linuxman410>i am running debian 5.04 and when i hit update it says there are no updates
20:48<abrotman>are you sure it's 5.0.4 ?
20:48<linuxman410>how do i found out for sure
20:48<abrotman>linuxman410: put your sources.list in a pastebin
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20:54<linuxman410>found it it says i am running 5.06 it must have updated when i installed
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21:43<AphexTwin>Linux is for dumb bitches who ate too many lead paint chips as babies
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21:46<nevyn>can anyone reccomend a 15" laptop with an i5 or i7 cpu and a decent keyboard (this means concave keys at a minimum and not macbook style independant button keys)
21:47<nevyn>that's currently availible?
21:47<abrotman>and then he msg's me? wtf
21:47<nevyn>abrotman: I was about to play wtih the troll and you kicked him. you never let me have any fun.
21:47<abrotman>he's a repeat offender
21:48<nevyn>I believe you and know you're doing the responcible adult thing. but I was bored...
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21:49<abrotman>nevyn: FWIW, i like my T500
21:49<abrotman>IBM doesn't make thinkpads anymore .. Lenovo now
21:49<nevyn>yeah ok. but not the horible ideapads
21:50<nevyn>the stuff branded "think" is still same physical construction as when ibm made it.
21:50<abrotman>it's a thinkpad .. i like it .. wifi needs firmware, but otherwise, squeeze works out of the box IIRC (haven't tried modem)
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21:51<abrotman>model name : Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU P8600 @ 2.40GHz
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21:52<abrotman>it's uhm .. 6-9 months old IIRC
21:53<abrotman>the new ones come with i5 i believe
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22:18<nevyn>abrotman: intel or nvidia gfx?
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22:19<abrotman>i buy intel .. i doin't screw around with nvidia/ati stuff for my own use
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22:22<abrotman>oh that' snot true .. the mac mini has fglrx, but radeon works on it now
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22:24<nevyn>my drama is bus utilisation of UMA intel
22:24<nevyn>it get's kinda noisy.
22:25<abrotman>i don't have that problem :)
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22:32<nevyn>abrotman: what's the kb like
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22:33<nevyn>hrm 2500 bleh.
22:33<xjjk>hrm, does anyone else use
22:34<xjjk>I'm getting an error with aptitude, "Release file expired"
22:34<abrotman>nevyn: i like it, but i'm not picky ..
22:35*nevyn figgures keyboards and screens get insufficient attention in computer purchases.
22:35*xjjk types on his Happy Hacking Keyboard Pro 2 to dispel that assertion
22:35<nevyn>everyones about the megahurts and the gigabites and it's like but you never see that crud.
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22:36<nevyn>xjjk: bah Model M forever ;)
22:36<xjjk>everyone to their own
22:36<xjjk>I like the Model M but it's too big to be practical
22:37<xjjk>(for me)
22:37<nevyn>but on a workstation it's great. :) it's not practical as a portable keyboard like a HH is
22:37<xjjk>I use my HHKB on workstations mostly
22:37<xjjk>again, everyone to their own
22:37<nevyn>a HH is practical if your laptop keyboard is truely horrific. where a model M isn't
22:37<xjjk>I wish someone would remake the Model M in a smaller footprint
22:38<xjjk>same size keys/etc
22:38<nevyn>there are varients without the numpad
22:38<xjjk>does it *really* need all the plastic and bezel on the sides?
22:38<xjjk>nevyn: yes, I've been trying to get one... they're *expensive* on eBay
22:38<xjjk>and also, they still have huge plastic bezels
22:40<xjjk>nevyn: yeh, that's still a pretty large bezel...
22:41<nevyn>well it's tiny when you consider the original design
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22:44<abrotman>i have a model m with a nubbie in the middle
22:44<nevyn> this is awesome
22:45<nevyn>abrotman: like this:
22:45<abrotman>yeah, but an IBM one
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22:46<nevyn>these guys bought the patents of lexmark and are still producing buckling spring keyboards
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22:47<nevyn>The USB model cannot currently be shipped outside the USA.
22:47<nevyn>ARRRG Stabby
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22:48<nevyn>that's like the 4th vendor in a week that won't ship outside the continental US
22:49<Nemoder>wow.. I installed the latest wine and now gtk file browser tries to open all images in internet explorer. :(
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23:16<relajo>has anyone played with configuring the sixaxxis in debian?
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23:24<nevyn>seriously what's with .au getting completely screwed on hardware. I can buy a better laptop from the US and ship it here with worldwide warranty for $1400 less than buying it locally (which I can't do because they won't sell a FHD screen here)
23:25<mattcen>Hooray for .au!
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23:33<bones_was_here>nevyn: we have shitty internet too :(
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23:39<celtic>we sure do!
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