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---Logopened Fri Nov 26 00:00:32 2010
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00:13<huasen>I have a problem, that, i installed my debian on a single partition and mount another partition in fstab latter, but, the problem is, i can't run any apps on the new partition
00:13<huasen>why and how to fix it?
00:15<the_hydra>huasen: such as permission denied?
00:15<tash>what "apps"?
00:15<the_hydra>huasen: do you mount it with noexec flag?
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00:16<huasen>bash: ./configure: Permission denied
00:17<huasen>-rwxr-xr-x 1 huasen huasen 1528196 Jul 18 21:39 configure
00:18<tash>as the_hydra says, is a permission problem, as root you should change it
00:19<the_hydra>huasen: please paste mount output
00:19<tash>or the fstab
00:19<tash>maybe both :P
00:19<huasen>OK
00:20<huasen>/dev/sda7 /home/huasen/Data ext4 rw,user 0 0
00:22<the_hydra>huasen: try to cat /proc/mount | grep sda7
00:23<huasen>/dev/sda7 /home/huasen/Data ext4 rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime,barrier=1,data=ordered 0 0
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00:24<the_hydra>aha
00:24<huasen>the problem might be due to noexec
00:24<the_hydra>see that? noexec
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00:25<the_hydra>huasen: problem found....remount it as "exec-utable"
00:25<huasen>yes. so, how should i modify the fstab item? I wanna make this partition used as the one my debian installed
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00:26<huasen>any suggestion? or docs
00:26<smv>/dev/sda7 /home/huasen/Data ext4 defaults 0 2
00:26<the_hydra>man mount
00:27<the_hydra>huasen: quick check...mount -o remount,exec /dev/sda7 /home/huasen/Data
00:27<huasen>i think i got the resolution. thanks, all
00:27<the_hydra>huasen: welcome
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00:33<smv>i tried "debootstrap --keyring=/usr/share/keyrings/debian-keyring.gpg squeeze /mnt/squeeze http://ftp.ro.debian.org/debian" and i got "E: Release signed by unknown key (key id 9AA38DCD55BE302B)". any idea how to fix it? i'm on a sid system.
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00:38<hachi>hey folks, I've got a strange problem
00:38<hachi>"package uses Breaks; not supported in this dpkg"
00:38<gsimmons>smv: You want keyrings/debian-archive-keyring.gpg instead.
00:38<hachi>I'm getting this error when I try to upgrade dpkg
00:39*smv feels dumb
00:40<smv>gsimmons, thanks
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00:48<hachi>anyone know how I can get past this error?
00:49<amdgoon>sounds a bit circular, need dpkg to upgrade dpkg?
00:49<hachi>yeah, exactly
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00:49<amdgoon>heh
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00:55<OsirisX>can linux kernel 2.6.36 read GPT partitions (created in Windows 7)
00:57<jm_>yes, as long as your kernel supports it
00:58<OsirisX>ok thx jm_
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01:35<mjt>where are the list of current release-critical bugs? bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ lists many but these are almost all fixed, or unrelated.
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01:42<jm_>mjt: is this any better http://udd.debian.org/bugs.cgi ?
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01:45<mjt>apparently not :)
01:45<mjt>just a few bugs in that list - the same again, all marked as 'done'
01:47<mjt>i ordered by pkg name, and go from top to bottom. 6tunnel #601030 - done, apt-listchanges #602742 - done,
01:47<mjt>hmm. i think i'm just "lucky"
01:48<mjt>hit a few random bugs, all done. now going one by one, and voila, many are open still ;)
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02:13<prem>i have bought a new Logitech mk250 wireless keyboard and mouse.,but it is not detected in debian
02:14<prem>its workign well with windows vista..but i hate to go for it..i wanted it to work in debian
02:14<prem>"hcitool scan " didnt detect any of these.,
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02:14<prem>do i need to install a ny new drivers for this..?
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02:18<the_hydra>prem: quite likely you need to install latest kernel
02:19<the_hydra>prem: hopefully its drivers are already in mainline
02:19<prem>am running 2.6.32-5 which coems with squeeze
02:19<mjt>bluetooth is supported even in lenny
02:19<the_hydra>prem: try 2.6.36
02:19<mjt>um
02:20<prem>the_hydra, from experimental ..? will that work properly..because i have never used packages from experimental
02:20<jm_>debian wiki mentions some pairing for bluetooth mouse
02:20<mjt>it's not about kernel
02:21<the_hydra>mjt: i am not really sure either....so it's just a suggestion
02:21<prem>jm_, mjt so its not a kernel issue ..?
02:21<prem>i did gone through several forums but didnt get anything useful..few threads say its udev issue
02:22<prem>but it claims its been fixed already..but am not able to get it detected
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02:34<EmleyMoor>What are the alternatives to network-manager for managing a wireless connection?
02:34<nasuta>EmleyMoor: wicd
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02:35<nasuta>EmleyMoor: or ceni
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02:38<qq->, versions ceni
02:39<judd>Sorry, no package named 'ceni' was found in i386.
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02:41<EmleyMoor>Anyone disagree with wicd as a suggestion?
02:41<nasuta>it is not in debian , sorry, search via google, it is from a debian based distro
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02:42<the_hydra>EmleyMoor: have a check by yourself...we can't decide it for you
02:42<nasuta>i like ceni more
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02:44*EmleyMoor rules out ceni
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02:55<EmleyMoor>wicd doesn't work at all - "Could not connect to wicd's D-Bus interface. Check the wicd log for error messages." - and nothing logged
02:56<EmleyMoor>Ah - not started <g>
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02:58<EmleyMoor>I can't now access any wireless: iwlist wlan0 scan gives: Interface doesn't support scanning : Network is down
02:59<EmleyMoor>Something now unwanted must have hold of it, I guess
03:00<EmleyMoor>Freed it but now not finding anything to connect to
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03:05<EmleyMoor>Getting somewhere now
03:06<EmleyMoor>Is wicd, once set for all networks I used, "set and forget"?
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03:08<EmleyMoor>(in other words, does it just run in the background without needing anything in the gnome (or other) desktop, if the settings are already correct?)
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03:16*EmleyMoor is impressed by wicd
03:17<EmleyMoor>However, only time will tell if it is an improvement
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03:26<EmleyMoor>What's the best way of taking a list of packages from a system and using that as an instruction to another to install the same?
03:26<dondelelcaro>!aptitude clone
03:26<dpkg>To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favourite packages) use aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude install; on the other machine. This preserves information about "automatically installed" packages that other methods do not. See also <reinstall>, <things to backup>, <debian clone>.
03:27<EmleyMoor>Thanks
03:28*EmleyMoor is planning to do the new build of his asterisk box today
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03:37<qq->smv, hey
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03:42<EmleyMoor>Still very unreliable but at least it no longer keeps reprompting for the passphrase and just gets on with getting back
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03:50<an666a>hi guys
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04:06<EmleyMoor>It still falls off a lot but thanks to wicd, reconnects without intervention
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04:44<jm_>is bin/oobase what has replaced bin/openoffice in openoffice 3.x?
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06:07<vook>and I've disabled avahi...
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07:16<EmleyMoor>What is the status of ext4 support in squeeze?
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07:18<petemc_>EmleyMoor: im not using it but certainly the kernel module is there
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07:19<tom__>hello
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07:20<tom__>hi gurus
07:20<tom__>i need help
07:21<tom__>I would like to create Torrent Tracker on debian
07:21<tom__>does anybody knows how to do it ?
07:21<jm_>man bttrack
07:21<tom__>RTFM I know I know
07:22<tom__>I have some files which I would like to share using BT
07:22<tom__>is it hard to configure ?
07:23<jm_>no, you'll need bittorrent client to actually share them
07:23<jm_>btmakemetafile will also be used
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07:24<mjt>just yesterday someone were installing mktorrent
07:25<tom__>I think I dont understand enought this torrent technology
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07:25<tom__>on the server I have 20x 1-3Gb files
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07:25<tom__>what I need to share them thru network by torrent ?
07:26<tom__>second thing I dont want to share some pirates software like other torrents do
07:26<tom__>is it possible to protect this bttrack ?
07:27<mjt>protect from what?
07:27<vook>what is it that you intend to share tom__, if I may ask - perhaps usenet is a better choice.
07:27<mjt>i guess you'll have better luck on some torrent-related channel, for the basics at least.
07:28<tom__>hmmm maybe first I will read about it
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07:28<tom__>do you know some torrent related channels ?
07:29<vook>tom__: I advise against sharing anything that you do not have the legal right to share. Aside from that, there are many options.
07:29<tom__>I would like to share some linux builds
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07:30<tom__>my minimals servers
07:30<vook>very well :)
07:30<tom__>my 45mb LAMP server
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07:31<tom__>for drupal
07:31<tom__>ok Guys thanks for support
07:31<vook>tom__: what about a http server with a directory shared for these files ?
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07:32<tom__>on the server I have also such a share folder
07:32<tom__>but in last month I had almost 900Gb traffic
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07:33<tom__>so I`m searching something for optimize traffic
07:33<vook>tom__: you could throttle and limit access with apache
07:33<tom__>I know
07:33<tom__>but torrent is perfect for sharing
07:33<tom__>and then I could save some bandwith
07:34<vook>true, but apache is a file server at the core, ideal for this type of purpose
07:34<vook>to each their own :)
07:35<tom__>ok so what You suggest ?
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07:35<vook>apache, with bandwidth throttled, control access
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07:36<Tommy>ugh... disconnected
07:37<Tommy>tom__
07:37<vook>that is, of course, if your ISP allows it. You may need to run it on a different port
07:38<zy>QUESTION: what is the usb device "5986:01a2 Acer, Inc" ( from lsusb )
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07:39<vook>zy: maybe a bluetooth hub
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07:40<Tommy>this is private dedicated server
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07:41<zy>vook: what is the driver for this?
07:41<vook>zy: nope, it's a BSNL broadband modem device
07:42<vook>zy: what device do you have (make/model)?
07:43<zy>vook: dell vostro 1088
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07:45<vook>zy: got a Diamond chipset, cool. I didn't know they were still around.
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07:48<zy>vook: I did not know about this
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07:50<vook>zy: nope, it's ATI radeon I think.
07:52<vook>I think that device is a soft-modem, if you don't need it or intend to use it for dial up, there is no need to load a module.
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07:54<zy>vook: I can not find the bluetooth device, from lspci and lsusb, do you have any clue for me?
07:55<mjt>is it turned on?
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07:57<zy>I think a do not have a switch
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07:57<zy>s/think a/think I/
07:59<EmleyMoor>My new system is failing to resolve any host names - why would that be?
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07:59<mowi>anyone else at dreamhack in sweden?
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08:00<zy>EmleyMoor: do you have working name servers in /etc/resolv.conf
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08:00<EmleyMoor>zy: They are the same ones that work from the rest of my network
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08:02<zy>EmleyMoor: you can connect to sites with ip address, but not with host names?
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08:02<EmleyMoor>zy: Yes
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08:03<EmleyMoor>It seems as though trying to get to the nameservers meets a blocked route - it gets no further than my gateway
08:03<EmleyMoor>No obvious reason why
08:04<zy>can you ping the nameserver ?
08:05<zy>or maybe something is wrong with route table / firewall ?
08:06<EmleyMoor>Found the problem - needed to inform the router of the changed MAC address
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09:09<leikh>What is the best way to redirect/forward/deliver all mail coming from @foobar.com to new@address.com? (Exim 4)
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09:11<LR>hi,
09:11<LR>I have a question about pureftpd
09:11<LR>I configured my ftpd and all work well
09:11<LR>but I don't know how can I install it as a service
09:12<abrotman>it did that when you installed it
09:12<abrotman>if you used the debian package
09:12<LR>yes I used debian package
09:12<LR>but I lunch it from terminal
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09:13<LR>I can't understand how configure it without terminal parameters
09:13<LR>Must I modify some rc.d?
09:13<LR>some runlevel?
09:14<LR>another my question is about gnome, If I want to get terminal instead xorg starting (no visual login manager) how can I do it ?
09:15<LR>How would start in text mode and start gnome launching startx
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09:16<LR>regarding pureftpd I installed it using package but I dont know how can I change default parameters
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09:47<Eni>Anyone can help me how to register in #backtrack-linux because i am trying so hard and nothing happen i cant write to the channel
09:47<Eni>Anyone can help me how to register in #backtrack-linux because i am trying so hard and nothing happen i cant write to the channel
09:47<Eni>Anyone can help me how to register in #backtrack-linux because i am trying so hard and nothing happen i cant write to the channel
09:48<Eni>Anyone can help me how to register in #backtrack-linux because i am trying so hard and nothing happen i cant write to the channel???????????????????
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09:53<netweb>test prova ciao
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10:04<utente>hello dudes
10:05<utente>squeeze
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10:14<alvarikoke>de
10:14<alvarikoke>beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee de bbbbbbbbbbbbbbiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiilllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllliiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
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10:53<acu>smv ?
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11:20<zy>Anyone here with experience with Dell Wireless 350 Bluetooth ?
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11:25<abrotman>zy: ask your real question
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11:26<zy>I can not find the device, either in /dev/, or in `lsusb` or in `lspci`
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11:26<mjt>which device?
11:27<zy>Dell vostro 1088
11:27<mjt>um
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11:27<mjt>your "bluetooth" - what it is? how do you connect it to your machine?
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11:28<zy>I mean the built-in bluetooth module
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11:30<zy>I have a "dell-wifi" entry in `rfkill list`, which is said unblocked, and I think this is for the bluetooth.
11:30<mjt>oh. dunno
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11:32<abrotman>zy: what is your kernel? uname -r ?
11:32<mjt>if my notebook @home is connected to the network i'll try to see how it looks like...
11:32<zy>2.6.32-5-686
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11:34<mjt>hmm.. apparently not - it does not come up after etherwake
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11:40<hector>hola
11:40<abrotman>!es
11:40<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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12:05<boyfid>is there eny body on
12:06<babilen>no
12:06<boyfid>lol
12:06<boyfid>are you useing backtrack 4
12:07<babilen>!bt4
12:07<dpkg>BackTrack is not Debian and is not supported in #debian (ask me about <based on debian>). Try http://www.backtrack-linux.org/ or #backtrack-linux on irc.freenode.net instead. BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux.
12:07<cahoot>lol no debian lol
12:07*babilen smiles at cahoot
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12:14<antivirys>hi all :)
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12:26<lantizia_>Hey as a rule should any package be dumping anything in to /var/www or is that meant for the users to use?
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12:26<lantizia_>e.g. phpmyadmin and squirrelmail go to /usr/share/whatever
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12:32<oxan>lantizia_: /var/www is meant for the users
12:32<oxan>lantizia_: there's a webapps policy floating around the net which defines these locations
12:33<lantizia_>oxan, that's what I thought - don't suppose you know which part of the policy declares that?
12:33<lantizia_>"webapps policy" - ill search for that
12:33<oxan>lantizia_: i found it: http://webapps-common.alioth.debian.org/draft/html/
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12:34<lantizia_>yeah I just found that too :) anything other than draft do you think?
12:34<oxan>no, don't think so. but it's used by almost all webapp packages
12:34<ansgar>lantizia_: See the output of lintian-info --tags dir-or-file-in-var-www.
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12:35<lantizia_>ansgar, don't have that installed - it's ok the policy will do
12:36<lantizia_>I use froxlor (a fork of syscp) which has an apt repository - gonna see if they're willing to move from /var/www/froxlor to /usr/share/froxlor and make an alias in /etc/apache2/conf.d/froxlor.conf like how phpmyadmin does it
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12:40<jordanisawesome>So I am having trouble with getting the Installable USB to do it's thing: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1630846
12:40<abrotman>jordanisawesome: this is #debian, not #ubuntu
12:41<jordanisawesome>i know, but I posted my problem on the Ubuntu Website, it is kinda related to both
12:41<babilen>jordanisawesome: Then ask in #debian-ubuntu
12:41<jordanisawesome>ok
12:41<abrotman>the problem is Ubuntu .. the post says so
12:42<babilen>jordanisawesome: Or actually don't do that. If the problem is specific to Ubuntu you have to ask in the Ubuntu channel.
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12:42<babilen>!tell jordanisawesome about usb install
12:43<acu>qq-, moldovean ?
12:43<babilen>jordanisawesome: Try "The easy way" and make sure you copy the image *file* to the stick.
12:44<jordanisawesome>ok
12:44<babilen>jordanisawesome: You can also try unetbootin
12:45<abrotman>it's still not on-topic here?
12:46<babilen>abrotman: Installing Debian via USB is not on-topic?
12:47<abrotman>he's asking about Ubuntu ?
12:47<abrotman>oh, he's on ubuntu .. nevermind
12:47<babilen>jordanisawesome: You might want to clarify, but I read your "... I want to move to Debian 5 Lenny ..." as "I want to install Debian" :)
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12:48<babilen>jordanisawesome: You should also consider installing squeeze
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12:58<qwerty>hello all
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12:58<qwerty>anybody here/
12:58<retrospectacus>morning
12:59<qwerty>i have a problem that i cant solve...well...honestly i need FLV codec for debian but actually i can get it
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12:59<qwerty>cant*
12:59<abrotman>!dmm
12:59<dpkg>[dmm] Debian Multimedia is a repository of unofficial packages maintained by Christian Marillat, not in Debian for patent-related reasons. For information on how to access, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm lenny> <dmm squeeze>. During 2010, this repository grew a non-free part, with all binary-only packages moved there; you may need to add " non-free" to your sources lines. See also <dmm mirrors>, <dmm list>.
12:59<qwerty>okay thanks!
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13:01<php_p>is squeeze the same as testing?
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13:01<amphi>at the moment, yes
13:02<php_p>is squeeze frozen?
13:02<abrotman>yes
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13:03<php_p>so then testing is frozen also, if I understand it correctly
13:03<abrotman>currently, yes
13:04<qwerty>and still i dont get how to get... lol
13:04<qwerty>is there any command how to install flv codec lol?
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13:07<qwerty>and solution for that is FFmpeg lol io guess.
13:09<qwerty> .flv - a problem
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13:12<lantizia_>hey, debian installs suhosin doesn't it automatically? is there a quick and easy way to disable it without removing the package?
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13:14<retrospectacus>lantizia_, move delete or edit: /etc/php5/apache2/conf.d/suhosin.ini ?
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13:17<retrospectacus>I guess that is actually /etc/php5/conf.d/suhosin.ini
13:17<lantizia_>/etc/php5/cgi/conf.d/suhosin.ini
13:17<lantizia_>in my case
13:17<lantizia_>thanks
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13:17<retrospectacus>you will find that /etc/php5/*/conf.d are symlinks to /etc/php5/conf.d
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13:18<lantizia_>nope these aren't
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13:18<lantizia_>was kinda hoping they were and there was some nice utility like a2en/dismod for enabling/disabling php modules
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13:19<retrospectacus>not that I know of. You could ask #php on freenode
13:19<lantizia_>aaah I see what you mean - the whole directory is a symlink
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13:25<EmleyMoor>asterisk under squeeze appears to have non-functioning iax2 and no SIP at all - what am I doing wrong?
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13:43<lantizia_>EmleyMoor, 1.6 or 1.8?
13:43<jhutchins_lt>I don't even see a package for suhosin.
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13:47<retrospectacus>jhutchins_lt: php5-suhosin
13:47<mjt>zy: around?
13:48<jhutchins_lt>Ah, there it is.
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13:51<zy>mjt: yes
13:52<mjt>zy: i never used bluetooth myself, but i checked two notebooks here
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13:53<mjt>zy: one has built-in bt, even with button on the front panel, and the actual device is connected to internal usb port
13:53<mjt>zy: second also has a button, but there's no actual bt device (it is suposed to be mini-pci)
13:54<mjt>and indeed lspci or lsusb does not show anything
13:54<zy>do you have bt related entries in `lshw` or `lshal` ?
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13:55<mjt>the one with usb bt shows it in lsusb
13:55<mjt>the one without does not show it, obviously
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13:56<zy>I have only usb hubs and keyboard/mice in `lsusb`
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13:56<mjt>lshw is built around the same sources as lspci and lsusb (plus a few others)
13:56<mjt>lshal is basically the same as lshw but with additional hal filter
13:57<mjt>zy: so.. are you sure your notebook actually has bt? :)
13:57<zy>I have a bluetooth switch in `lshal`
13:57<mjt>aja
13:57<mjt>aha
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13:58<zy>and I can find driver for windows on dell's site
13:58<mjt>but it isn't shown in either lspci or lsusb?
13:58<zy>yes , none of them
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14:00<zy>And I am sure I enabled bt in BIOS
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14:01<mjt>where it's connected to?
14:01<zy>I do not known
14:01<mjt>lshw shows it
14:01<zy>know
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14:02<zy>no
14:03<mjt>either it shows your bt device, in which case it shows where it is connected to, or it does not show the device
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14:03<zy>I find nothing related to bt
14:04<mjt>oh, lsHAL
14:04<mjt>heh
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14:04<zy>I only have a switch, which I can not find physically: /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/dell_bluetooth_switch
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14:09<mjt>zy: but does it actually work on windows?
14:10<zy>I do not have windows
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14:11<zy>the box has ubuntu when purchased, and I installed squeeze myself.
14:11<mjt>i doubt there's actually a bluetooth device for it
14:11<mjt>*in it
14:12<mjt>it is connected either to usb or pci
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14:14<zy>But it is declared in the package ... Maybe I should check this.
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14:14<mjt>http://www.chudov.com/projects/Linux-On-Acer-Aspire-9300-3716/ -- here's mine (quite old). It has bluetooth button and empty mini-pci slot where an optional bt controller is supposed to be inserted (it has a wire near the slot to connect - probably the bluetooth indicator or button connector)
14:14<mjt>there are drivers for bluetooth on acer website for it
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14:14<mjt>for windows obviously
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14:15<mjt>it has 2 slots - one mini-pciE (with wifi adaptor, installed), and mini-pci, empty
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14:17<mjt>i can think of some proprietary way to connect that stuff, but it usually costs a bit more to develop a special bus than to use existing usb or pci.
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14:17<mjt>supper time here.
14:19<zy>what does "proprietary way" mean ?
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14:20<zy>you mean a new type of hardware interface?
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14:31<mjt>zy: yes
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14:35<_retroj>hi. is it normal that x.org changes the video mode of the console that i run startx in?
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14:38<zy>mjt: thanks
14:38<EmleyMoor>lantizia_: 1.6 - sorted now
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14:51<mjt>zy: i just found another info. for this my acer laptop, there's acer_wmi driver exist, which handles wifi button/led, bluetooth button/led and apparently bluetooth device itself. See http://code.google.com/p/aceracpi/wiki/SupportedHardware
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14:53<mjt>zy: also http://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/laptops/acer-wmi.txt
14:53<mjt>zy: "For bluetooth, this is an internal USB dongle, so once enabled, you will get
14:53<mjt>zy: a USB device connection event"
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14:55<mase>_retroj i gues not. what exactly do you mean? console-video-mode is chanes after starting X?
14:56<mase>-chanes +changed
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14:58<IlTuoIncuboPeggiore>hi to all
14:58<_retroj>mase: yes, exactly. when i boot, my console is in text mode. after starting X, if I ctrl-alt-f1, or exit X, i find my console in a hires mode. i'm guessing 1280x1024 since that's what mode X is in
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15:00<mase>_retroj have you tried to boot in single mode to see if another application might change it like console-setup?
15:00<_retroj>no. i don't think i know how to do that experiment
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15:01<mase>_retroj ...what video dirver do you use for xorg?
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15:03<_retroj>mase, hm.. it's an intel gma4500, which is a newish chipset.. looking for the name of the driver now
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15:05<mase>_retroj should be "intel"?
15:05<troulouliou>i could anybody explain me -j DNAT –to-destination 192.168.1.5-192.168.1.100
15:05<troulouliou>how can iptables redirect to mutliple adresses ?
15:06<_retroj>mase: i think so
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15:08<mase>_retroj stupid quiestion: is it a laptop?
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15:08<_retroj>mase: no.. but it is onboard video
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15:10<mase>_retroj (i just asked because the kernel usualy sets the consoles video mode to the natives display resolution on laptops)
15:10<IlTuoIncuboPeggiore>I have installed a fresh squeeze on my eeepc now I need to install kde3.5 is it possible?
15:11<_retroj>mase: the odd thing is that it seems to be X that sets the mode, since it boots into text mode
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15:12<mase>IlTuoIncuboPeggiore ouch, that would be hard to realize i think.
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15:12<abrotman>IlTuoIncuboPeggiore: no, squeeze has kde4
15:12<IlTuoIncuboPeggiore>
15:12<IlTuoIncuboPeggiore>I'm sad now
15:12<IlTuoIncuboPeggiore>thanks
15:12<_retroj>mase: now, this in itself had never been a problem, until i told grub to use 1024x768 for the console video mode. when i do that, quitting X causes a lockup.
15:12<abrotman>kde3 is dead upstream .. get over it
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15:14<mase>IlTuoIncuboPeggiore ...but...wasnt there a project that still worked on kde 3.x? (a non-debian-stuff)
15:14<mase>IlTuoIncuboPeggiore kind of backport/forwardport/whatever
15:15<themill>"trinity" and not very actively of late.
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15:15<_retroj>hm.. i have more things to test. i think the video mode is changing in the console because i set it with xrandr in my .xinitrc. i assumed doing that would only affect X, not also the console. but i may have been wrong
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15:16<leikh>What is the best way to redirect/forward/deliver all mail coming from @foobar.com to new@address.com? (Exim 4)
15:16<mase>_retroj i had troules with switching out of xorg (Ctrl-alt-Fx) many times, but never with intel yet....
15:16<mjt>_retroj: it _should_ only affect X
15:17<_retroj>interesting. well, i will do the experiment and see if that is what is causing it
15:17<mase>themill yeah, right, thanks
15:17<mjt>_retroj: if xrandr causes _console_ mode changes, it's a bug somewhere in driver
15:18<mase>mjt haven't there been plans on some driver to use the kernel based video mode settings?
15:18<mjt>they're in heavy use in squeeze already
15:18<mjt>intel, radeon and nouveau cards all use KMS
15:19<mjt>(fsvo "cards" for intel :)
15:19<_retroj>kms?
15:19<mase>mjt so wouldnt that partly affect the console?
15:20<_retroj>kernel mode switching?
15:20<mase>_retroj yep
15:20<_retroj>k
15:21<mjt>mase: kernel is aware of multiple virtual terminals and it knows each vt can have its own video mode
15:21<mase>mjt -wouldnt +coud
15:22<mase>mjt -coud +could, dam
15:22<mjt>it's the kernel's task (with kms) to support these mode switching from one vt to another
15:22<mjt>and if it does not work it's a bug, simple as that.
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15:23<_retroj>this mode switching seems to be failing on my computer. at worst, when i have grub set my console video mode to 1024x768 it causes a hard lockup
15:24<_retroj>the bug is in the xorg intel driver then?
15:24<mjt>no, kernel
15:24<mase>_retroj tried to set the video mode by kernel parameter?
15:26<_retroj>i have grub2, which doesn't use the vga= kernel parameter anymore. it uses a setting called gfxpayload. that's what i used.
15:26<IlTuoIncuboPeggiore>bye to all
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15:26<mjt>grub does not use vga= parameter, kernel does
15:26<mase>_retroj you can use kernel parameters in grub2 too,
15:26<_retroj>i guess i can try that, as an experiment
15:27<_retroj>(the grub2 docs say to use the gfxpayload instead)
15:28<mase>_retroj its not about grub, its about the kernel!
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15:28<_retroj>well, yes, but one configures grub to load the kernel, so one follow's grub's docs on how to do so. though i will certainly try using vga= instead
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15:29<mase>_retroj as kernel parameter, not as a grub setting
15:29<_retroj>right, understood
15:29<mjt>grub docs says how to setup grub, kernel docs says how to boot kernel.
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15:31<_retroj>the grub2 docs also have a bit to say about how to set the console video mode for linux. whether they're right or wrong to do so, they do say to use gfxpayload
15:31<mase>_retroj (not as a grub setting directly; you have to configure grub to set it as a kernel parameter of course)
15:31<_retroj>i suppose that's beside the point though :)
15:31<_retroj>got it
15:32<_retroj>well, i will try these different things and come back a little later when i have more information. thanks for your help!
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15:33<mjt>there's vga mode for grub itself, and vga mode for kernel when it's booted
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15:33<mjt>grub mode is where it displays the menu, before kernel is loaded
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15:33<mjt>when you choose some item to boot, all the control is passed to it, with its own ways to set video modes and other stuff
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15:35<_retroj>specifically, GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX in /etc/defaults/grub is what i used. this setting affects linux's console, not grub's own mode
15:35<mase>_retroj you can edit kernel parameters within grub itself (temporarily)
15:35<_retroj>yes
15:36<_retroj>brb
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15:51<home>hi
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15:51<home>what kernel will debian 6 have?
15:53<[e0f]>2.6.32
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15:53<retrospectacus>yep
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15:56<home>weird.. I want to use.. 2.6.37 :/
15:56<amphi>then you get to roll your own
15:57<home>Yeah, going to read up on how o upgrade the kernel.
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15:57<home>I really wish I could get a new computer or laptop :/
15:57<amphi>!kernel-package
15:57<dpkg>[kernel-package] To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "aptitude install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz. You should also ask me about <make-kpkg>, <kp mantra> and <kernel build-deps>.
15:57<amphi>home: why do you need such a new kernel, if not for new hardware?
15:57<home>amphi: to test it..
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15:58<home>want to see how it runs on old harware :/
15:58<home>mostly a P4
15:58<amphi>ah
15:58<home>I am 5 years behind in technology..
15:58<tash>home: maybe the ubuntu deb... but I wont endorse you tu use a package from another distro
15:58<amphi>the trailing edge is relaxing…
15:58<tash>*to
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15:59<amphi>tash: better to build a deb with kernel-package
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15:59<tash>if is for test... better build
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15:59<home>I am actually fine with the current kernel..
16:00<amphi>ah, you want things to be more geborkt ;)
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16:04<home>I:/
16:04<home>*sigh* have to do a documentary for a school progject.. 5 mins on SETI
16:05<home>or 10 :"/
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16:06<nasutar>my SETI runs 24hours per day, home
16:06<home>naustar: its for my physics class.. I have to describe everything in 5-10 mins video
16:06<home>SETI is a really good project.. I used to run it..
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16:07<home>now, I just cant waste power :/
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16:10<home>*sigh*
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16:16<_retroj>mase, mjt: update: the problem remains when i use vga=791
16:17<home>"/
16:18<home>debianb or ubuntu for desktop :/
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16:20<_retroj>home: that's a no-brainer. debian. more stable, less trending toward becoming a megacorp :)
16:21<home>retroj: That makes me really think
16:22<home>so what are some negative aspects of... becoming a megacorp?
16:22<home>canonical might get..really big.. especially with the popularity of ubuntu >.>
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16:23<[e0f]>home: just try both ;-)
16:23<home>I have
16:23<home>Now cant make the decision
16:24<[e0f]>hm
16:24<cahoot>flip a coin then
16:24<[e0f]>i cann't use ubuntu after debian)
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16:24<home>already running debian :/
16:25<home>might install ubuntu 10.10 on lappy
16:25<[e0f]>then use it and forgot ubuntu)
16:25<home>but for me.. I really want to test 2.6.37
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16:25<home>I like to use the best of the best :/
16:25<home>I want to find out the best linux OS
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16:26<[e0f]>heh
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16:26<home>right now.. I really like backtrack.. but
16:26<[e0f]>try arch
16:26<[e0f]>try gentoo
16:26<home>pentoo?
16:26<home>for pen tests,,
16:26<home>yes arch.. and gentoo.. maybe slack
16:26<home>I want to explore
16:26<home>and learn
16:26<home>But the problem is
16:26<cahoot>!enter
16:26<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
16:27<_retroj>well, megacorps are part of all our lives in many ways, often positive ways, but when it comes to OSes, i think they have a track record of making bad decisions. in the case of ubuntu, the bad decisions come in the form of pushing sexy new technologies before they're stable, like pulse, or the moves to monetize their OS through their digital music site, and i gather now, a proprietary dvd player
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16:27<beiromber>yes got my new 10.10 running fresh installation with nearly most used gpl licens runnig
16:27<abrotman>beiromber: you want #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net i thnik
16:27<home>using alsa... pulse... crashed on me
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16:27<home>I really love how linux has projects like GIMP, blender
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16:28<home>eclipse..code blocks.. and so many other software
16:28<home>but I am really loving the new gfallium driver <3
16:28<OddTod>home: the !enter from cahoot was directed towards you
16:29<home>Sorry for that, I just got really excited :); but man..there is so much to learn from linux
16:29<OddTod>hello everyone. I hope you had a great thanksgiving. had a question about hdd speeds I am planning on buying two 2TB hdds for a file server. Mostly a media server do you think i would see a serious speed penalty for getting 5400rpm drives(green drives) instead of 7200rpm
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16:31<home>OddTod: I really do not think so, but the 7200 sure is faster, now that makes me think. how does a 7200 RPM drive compare to a SSD, in terms of speed?
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16:37<home>this channel sure is quiet >.>
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16:38<NickW_SD>OddTod, it's only going to go as fast as the slowest part in the setup....for example, the drives might spin faster and the I/O might be quicker, but is your network going to have enough bandwidth to saturate the abilities of a 5400? If you don't have the bandwidth to saturate the abilities of the 5400, then there will be no improvement from switching to the 7200
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16:52<OddTod>NickW_SD: thats what my thought process was also. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something. Bottle neck is always going to be in the network at least for now Intel Light Peak FTW!
16:52<home>hmm anyone here have experience with robotics?
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17:01<marina>olaaa
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17:02<marina>holaaaa
17:02<home>hol
17:03<tash>!es marina
17:03<dpkg>marina: Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat
17:03<marina>que?
17:03<abrotman>marina: please speak english in this channel
17:04<marina>ok
17:04<home>Hmm.. anyone here havy any expreience programming?
17:04<abrotman>lots of people do, ask a better question
17:04<drone77>!ot home
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17:05<home>Anyone here have any experience programming embedded systems... such as robots? If embedded systems is..
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17:05<abrotman>you're still not asking a good question
17:05<home>The question is anyone here programmed robots with C/C++?
17:05<abrotman>"Hi, I'm having a problem doing _____ with ____ using ___ system."
17:05<drone77>yes, but that's off-topic
17:05<mjr>only slightly, but I'll answer "yes" for the street cred
17:06<home>Oh thats the purpose of this channel., I see
17:06<home>Hmm, I would like to configure my firewall
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17:09<NickW_SD>.
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17:09<NickW_SD>home, while it is possible to use a Debian box as a firewall, and a lot of people do, I've had some really good luck with pfsense :)
17:10<home>Wow, that looks good... based on monowall..
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17:15<home>so, pfsense is a distribution...
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17:19<_retroj>home: for a firewall on a desktop system, i've seen firestarter recommended.
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17:20<home>retroj: Thats what I am thinking about, but what do you guys use?
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17:23<N30>How can i stop http floods to my server?
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17:23<crazyb0y>N30: with evasive module and iptables configuration =)
17:23<N30>which im gussing takes lots of time? haha
17:23<crazyb0y>N30: not a lot =)
17:24<crazyb0y>N30: just install mod_evasive, it will be a good start for you =)
17:24<N30>Server load is at 80 %... And the server can't even read the php codes correct during high load.
17:24<N30>They can ddos through some restricted php files...
17:24<N30>okay :)
17:25<crazyb0y>N30: you can restrict them with mod_evasive =)
17:25<N30>so mod_evasive is going to be connected with nginx?
17:25<crazyb0y>N30: if it's not enough, then i will tell you how to configure iptables to do this for you =))
17:26<N30>okay, some use webhotels in foregin countrys to spam the server to haha. Getting a bit crazy here ;)
17:26<crazyb0y>N30: yes i had this problem too =)
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17:26<N30>hm.. it looks like i have to connect apache2 nginx and that modoule you spoke of?
17:27<N30>for it to work properly
17:27<crazyb0y>N30: just install the module and enable it in the apache2 config =)
17:27<crazyb0y>N30: after that edit the config to your needs =)
17:27<N30>i dont use apache2 :P. Thats the problem.
17:27<N30>I use nginx
17:27<crazyb0y>N30: oh sorry
17:28<N30>I only used nginx because due to reviews it could handle high load better.
17:28<N30>but maybe the differens isent so big?
17:28<crazyb0y>N30: i'm not using nginx, sorry i can't help you
17:29<N30>i was thinking about to changing to apache2 today. Maybe is it worth it.
17:29<mjt>nginx is a proxy, apache is a webserver.
17:29<mjt>at least initially
17:29<N30>so i should change to apache2 ?
17:30<mjt>nginx task was to cache pages generated by a webserver - for dynamic content for example - to reduce load on the webserver.
17:31<mjt>but now it's a standalone webserver too
17:31<N30>oh! thats maybe why my cache got so high after nginx then? It uses about 50+% of my physical memory
17:31<mjt>that's different cache
17:31<N30>oh okay. My bad. What do you think is better during high load ?
17:31<N30>nginx vs apache2
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17:31<mjt>define "high load"
17:32<N30>well, about 10 000 active visitors every day
17:32<N30>and high mysql load
17:32<N30>about 40 > 50 cpu load on sql right now
17:32<N30>but i think its because of the flooding...
17:32<mjt>optimize sql
17:32<mjt>or find what is causing it, for start
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17:32<crazyb0y>N30: how do you know you are flooded ?
17:32<N30>I have lots of sql controls to stop the flooding. Thats why it has to work "extra".
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17:33<N30>my sql logs says that they insert about 500 queries every secound
17:33<N30>from single ip's
17:33<mjt>10K visitors tells nothing at all, because a visitor may grab a single page and quit, or do some shopping for whole day.
17:33<N30>which is not accurate
17:33<N30>i mean 10k active users. That is using the site frequently
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17:35<mjt>"insert 500 queries every second" - where "they" "insert" those?
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17:36<N30>well, basicly my php functions inser the values. They are spamming the php files, so they dont read the condtions / "if statements", which cause it to constantly insert values from my files.
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17:37<N30>even though the "if statement" only allows you to do one "insert query" every 15 min
17:37<mjt>generally, 500 inserts a second needs quite some thinking and architecting
17:37<mjt>it's beyong general "novice" support channel like #debian
17:37<N30>probably :(. But what i got now is a disaster bacause of the flooding. Its not suppose to be that much. It's suppose to be about a 100 per minute.
17:38<N30>It is due to the flooding its so high right now.
17:38<N30>crazyb0y, what was you're iptables soloution ? :9
17:39<N30>:)*
17:39<mjt> "They are spamming the php files, they dont read the condtions / "if statements", which cause it to constantly insert.." -- that warrants rethinking of your pages
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17:39<mjt>adding captchas maybe
17:39<N30>you basicly think they are poorly coded?
17:40<mjt>i've no idea
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17:40<N30>i have done a php flood control that runs before running their values. And even that one can't follow up
17:40<N30>can link to the php flood protection code if you would like.
17:41<mjt>in order to say anything at all, one has to understand your application very well. So far what's possible are only general ways to go.
17:42<mjt>what's a valid usage? how current usage differs from valid? what are the valid limits? what's the system capacity? etc
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17:43<mjt>maybe some rate-limiting may help, but i've no idea at all if it's outside valid usage or not.
17:43<N30>we can always try?
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17:43<N30>it's not such a big deal if its buggy in right now
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17:43<mjt>say, you limit number of requests per IP address ,but maybe you've a lot of users using the same proxy server which will hit thiat limit.
17:44<mjt>these problems aren't fixed by "trying" some random measures
17:45<N30>Well, i have checked some ip adresses, and one of them was from a school. Rest was private isp's
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17:45<N30>there must be some way just to limit request from ip's per secound?
17:45<mjt>for iptables, look for RECENT match - google for iptables ratelimit
17:45<retrospectacus>N30: this command will limit the total connections to port 80 to a thousand: iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --syn --dport 80 -m connlimit --connlimit-above 1000 --connlimit-mask 0 -j DROP
17:45<N30>they are not suppose to enter more then max 5 request per secound for example.
17:45<crazyb0y>N30: yes with iptables =)
17:46<retrospectacus>N30: this command will limit the connections to port 80 from any singel IP to 10: iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --syn --dport 80 -m connlimit --connlimit-above 10 -j DROP
17:46<N30>retrospectacus: This is the total connections from everyone?
17:46<crazyb0y>mjt: take a look at -> -m state --state NEW -m recent --update --seconds 60 --hitcount 4
17:46<N30>oh thats the one i want!
17:46<crazyb0y>ops
17:46<crazyb0y>i mean N30
17:46<crazyb0y>sorry mjt
17:46<retrospectacus>N30: the first is total per Internet, the second is total per single IP
17:46<N30>its okay! :)
17:46<N30>retrospectacus: Will try this! :)
17:47<N30>retrospectacus: If someone would override these rules. Would they be banned or just temp?
17:48<mjt>still, it's barking the wrong tree
17:48<retrospectacus>their connection would time out
17:48<N30>This is just a project for fun. So it's not so important that its perfect from start mjt.
17:48<mjt>doing 500 inserts a sec isn't for fun ;)
17:49<N30>haha, everyone like to sabotage a big site if they can
17:49<N30>it has only been up 4 days total..
17:51<N30>retrospectacus: one more question about iptables. How does it count 10 requests? Per secound?
17:51<mjt>10 parallel requests
17:52<retrospectacus>a SYN increases the count by one. a corresponding FIN will decrement it one.
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17:52<N30>hm.. okay
17:52<retrospectacus>I believe
17:53<N30>im not sure about the exact request they are making. I just no they enter site, and then holding in the "F5" button to spam
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17:53<N30>but it may be accurate perhaps :P
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17:54<mjt>unikely, unless that "them" are actually you
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17:54<N30>oh, im not trying to spam any site :P. Can understand that i would sound like it.
17:55<crazyb0y>hehe
17:55<mjt>webservers has logs
17:55<N30>the iptable block seems to work :)
17:55<retrospectacus>N30: here is a useful command which will tell you remote IPs and their number of port 80 connections to your server: netstat -lnpa | awk '$4~/:80/ {gsub(/:[0-9]+/,""); print $5}' | sort -f | uniq -c | sort -k1,1 -nr | head
17:55<N30>oh i can show log if you want?
17:55<N30>it its helpful
17:55<N30>in anyway
17:55<N30>if*
17:55<mjt>i don't understand how it's possible to debug a problem or even try to take contr-measures without actually knowing what the problem is?
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17:55<N30>i know the problem? Read at a forum how they are doing it to the site?
17:56<mjt>parse error
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17:57<N30>after flooding now i got blocked. So it seems to work :)
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17:57<mjt>with connlimit?
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17:57<N30>yes, the one retrospectacus provided me with
17:58<mjt>it does not block you
17:58<N30>well it timed me out for about 1 minute
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17:58<mjt>retrospectacus: probably FIN + a timeout
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17:59<N30>can i count requests with iptables and do a perment DROP when it reaches over 100 ?
17:59<N30>seems better+
17:59<N30>?
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18:00<retrospectacus>you mean permanent? That doesn't sound better... people get to see your site 100 times and that's it?
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18:01<N30>oh!, thats not what i had in mind no :P
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18:02<N30>but maybe with a timelimit? If 100 request within 1 minute for example
18:02<N30>within*
18:03<N30>but the problem is that they have succeeded in flooding because it will block AFTER.. Can we set a max request per 5 sec ?
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18:03<retrospectacus>there may be a --connlimit option to specify the timeout
18:04<mjt>it doesn't remember anything, it works at conntrack level (current entries)
18:05<N30>thats the problem...
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18:05<N30>when they use webservers and so on i need to permanently block that ip
18:05<mjt>ok, this is really pointless. since there's no information at all about the nature of the problem
18:05*mjt => bed
18:06<N30>don't really know what you need
18:06<retrospectacus>N30: I don't see the problem with the commands I gave you. Limiting 5 connections to an IP does not "allow them to flood and block after"
18:07<N30>but they can continue to flood once again after some secounds?
18:08<N30>so you think it should hold up good with the commands you gave me?:)
18:08<retrospectacus>they can make some more connections, yes. This kind of very low rate is not considered "flooding" in my books, and your server should have no problem
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18:11<N30>Load Averages: 95% :P
18:11<N30>mysql 29680 48.2
18:12<retrospectacus>where you get that kind of load average? What happened to 16.64, 11.09, 7.47
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18:12<N30>www-data 19154 10.9 | www-data 19293 14.8 | www-data 19295 13.5 | www-data 19322 12.0
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18:13<N30>i never said 16.64? :S
18:13<retrospectacus>that's my server's load average.. it's very high
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18:14<N30>going to try some sql optimize
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18:15<N30>3.49 3.89 3.35 -> 24%
18:16<N30>but mysql load is still high for some reason according to ps aux
18:18<retrospectacus>how do you convert 3.49 to 24% ?
18:18<N30>i just copied from phpsysinfo
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18:19<retrospectacus>you may look into mysql tuning - there is a quite nice thingy that recommends changes to my.cnf
18:20<N30>okay, i will have a look a that :)
18:21<retrospectacus>I have it on my server but can't remember where I got it
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18:22<retrospectacus>written by one Matthew Montgomery
18:25<abrotman>not two?
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18:37<retrospectacus>abrotman: the other one was in the can, I guess
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18:40<EmleyMoor>Having no joy receiving iax phone calls in asterisk in squeeze
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18:43<AAR>Lololololol
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18:44<Cor3>hello
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19:10<matte3560>I'm trying to install VMware 2.0.2 here, and one of the modules won't compile. Any ideas? (log: http://pastebin.com/mX7v6Q34)
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19:11<BlackFate>matte3560, i dont think VMware is supported here
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19:20<matte3560>BlackFate, Okay, I guess I'll look for a better place to ask
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19:22<shweppsie_>does anyone know how you make an debian machine that isn't running gnome or kde suspend when you push the power button
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19:41<retrospectacus>I have ssh'd to my laptop at home to do some things, and now I would like to put it to sleep, as I would normally by pressing the power button and clicking "Suspend" in the popup (gnome,squeeze) ... how can I do this function from cli?
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19:42<icebrain>retrospectacus: s2ram
19:42<icebrain>(as root, either with su or sudo)
19:43<retrospectacus>as root, s2<tab> yields only "s2p"
19:43<retrospectacus>sed to perl, apparently
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19:43<icebrain>retrospectacus: it's in package uswsusp, apparently
19:44<icebrain>!uswsusp
19:44<dpkg>uswsusp is a package providing userland support for the in-kernel <suspend> system, including the s2ram and s2disk programs. Not available for Squeeze due to Debian bugs #498917, #503337, #521147, #528483. http://suspend.sf.net/
19:44<icebrain>ops
19:44<retrospectacus>sorry, I don't want to do anything like that.. I want to emulate my normal sleep procedure
19:44<icebrain>not in squeeze, sorry
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19:45<cthuluh>man -k suspend
19:45<retrospectacus>thanks, there are some useful-looking pm-* things there
19:45<cthuluh>retrospectacus: did you install the "Laptop" features described in tasksel?
19:46<retrospectacus>oh I don't know... I installed etch eons ago
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19:46<cthuluh>you can still run tasksel right now
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19:47<retrospectacus>I'm not really interested in installing anything, I just want to sleep it like I normally do
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19:53<retrospectacus>pm-suspend seems to have worked
19:55<waxhead>I am using Squeeze and I have a tri-monitor setup. I use a nVidia 8600GTS (NV50) and a 7300GT (NV40) with two monitors connected to the 8600 and one to the 7300. Using nouveau (squeeze out of the box) my 7300 card does not start. Is nouveau in squeeze to old or may I have something miscofigured? (no xorg.conf on my system).
19:56<retrospectacus>does the 7300 show up in lspci?
19:56<waxhead>Yes
19:56<retrospectacus>I'm interested as I want to set this up on my machine... waiting for a 2nd v.card
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19:57<jdb>I could use some boot debugging help, please
19:57<retrospectacus>I currently have 2 monitors on one card, and the one does not start. I have to run "nvidia-settings"
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19:57<jdb>I have a system that has been running Debian for a while now
19:57<waxhead>I do not use the nvidia driver but nouveau
19:57<retrospectacus>waxhead: I am using the nvidia driver though
19:58<jdb>but after todays round of upgrade's, the initramfs cannot find init
19:58<jdb>the (proper) root filesystem is found
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19:58<jdb>and if I break after init, I can in fact see /root/sbin/init right where it is supposed to be
19:58<jdb>but if I > run-init /root /sbin/init
19:59<jdb>run-init cannot find /sbin/init
19:59<jdb>this is sometimes followed by a panic
19:59<jdb>any ideas?
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20:00<retrospectacus>/root/sbin/init -> that is a strange (incorrect) path
20:01<jdb>it is within the initramfs
20:01<jdb>/dev/mapper/vg0-root0 (my LVM root device) is mounted within the initramfs to /root
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20:03<jdb>this is the path that is visible when I add break=init to the kernel command line in grub. This way I have a basic busybox shell within the initramfs at the step right before boot fails.
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20:31<jdb>so, from klibc's source, it appears that one of the functions of run-init is to remove the contents of the initramfs before remounting /root to /
20:32<jdb>after run-init fails to run, none of the busybox builtins are available (go figure)
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20:32<jdb>however, command completion shows that / consists only of /root
20:32<jdb>and /root is emtpy
20:32<jdb>but, prior to running run-init, /root contained my rootfs
20:33<jdb>is it possible that run-init is somehow also trying to nuke /root?
20:33<jdb>that doesn't quite make sense since it is mounted read-only
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20:42<jdb>Another symptom: All attempts to chroot into the fs fail with the error code that the requested shell in the chroot does not exist. This persists even when trying to chroot in from the debian Squeeze rescue live cd
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20:58<alretz>can someone tell me how to add xchat to the debian livecd?
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20:59<bremner>alretz: the general answer to that is live-helper; I don't know the details
20:59<alretz>i've googled live-helper
21:00<alretz>it seems to be for a hard disk install whereas i'm trying to use the iso builder
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21:08<noob>haii everybody
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21:08<Guest628>anybody here
21:08<Guest628>???
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21:11<jdb>Riddle me this: What sort of filesystem damage would allow shell command completion to see the existance of a file, but ls cannot?
21:13<alretz>i think shell command completion has it's own 'memory'
21:14<jdb>Even dash in the initramfs?
21:14<jdb>> ls /root/lib/ld-*
21:14<alretz>i don't use dash but i think i ran into the same thing with bash once
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21:14<jdb>/root/lib/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2: No such file or directory
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21:15<alretz>i would guess it's gone
21:15<jdb>but /root/lib/ld-2.11.2.so is found
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21:17<alretz>i think ls searches each time it's run but the shells rely on something else
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21:27<jdb>I've managed to copy fsck.ext3 into my initramfs and am fscking the root partition
21:28<jdb>it doesn't look good. Many illegal blocks
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21:50<jdb>More damage than I've ever seen
21:50<jdb>I'm going to try to get away without reinstalling debian, but it doesn't look good so far. Hopefully debsums can help
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23:10<somnambulant>anyone know of a cli daap-capable client?
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23:21<faheem_>hi. i'm in the process of upgrading from lenny to squeeze.
23:22<faheem_>i'm getting prompted with an upgrade-grub screen. i don't want to upgrade, but i'm not sure what the choices mean
23:22<faheem_>Chainload from menu.lst? yes/no
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23:23<faheem_>does no mean it will replace grub with grub2 and not chainload, or not replace at all?
23:23<faheem_>i want the latter option
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23:34<sney>faheem_: chainload from menu.lst means grub-legacy will load grub2 which in turn will load debian
23:35<faheem_>sney: right. but suppose i want grub 2 to stay the hell away?
23:35<faheem_>my immediate question is - what does no do here
23:35<faheem_>?
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23:39<sney>faheem_: my guess would be that no bypasses and possibly removes grub-legacy entirely
23:39<sney>if you want/need to keep grub-legacy, select yes, then edit menu.lst later
23:39<faheem_>sney: ok. thanks
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23:43<faheem_>how is grub2 working for people? there are lots of complaints in thet net
23:43<sney>I have had zero real-world problems
23:44<sney>but the config scheme seems needlessly complex
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23:44<faheem_>sney: hmm, ok. thanks
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23:46<alejandro>hey
23:46<alejandro>can someone help me
23:46<alejandro>whats jolicloud?
23:47<faheem_>sney: does the chainloading mean both grub-legacy and grub2 are available to boot from?
23:47<sney>yes
23:47<sney>!jolicloud
23:47<dpkg>Jolicloud is a distribution based on <Ubuntu> targeted at netbooks. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.jolicloud.com/ #jolicloud on irc.freenode.net. See also <based on debian>.
23:48<faheem_>sney: great. thanks
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