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---Logopened Sat Nov 27 00:00:58 2010
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00:02<ix0>hey, what flag do I use to add a user that can edit system configs?
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00:07<ix0>Anyone?
00:08<valajbeg>hello, how to make my location bar in nautilus look like a path not like buttons?
00:10<faheem_>ix0: you probably want sudo
00:11<ix0>faheem_, I want to have the permissions to open it from the menu
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00:12<ix0>I believe I have to add my user to a group, just not sure which one.
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00:18<ix0>faheem_, Any idea which group?
00:19<faheem_>ix0: more details please. open what from what menu?
00:20<ix0>faheem_, I want to be able to open System > Services. When I click on it via the KDE menu it says "You are not allowed to access the system configuration."
00:20<faheem_>ix0: probably a root thing. it doesn't ask you for a password?
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00:21<faheem_>ix0: what debian/kde version is this?
00:21<faheem_>i'd suggesting asking on a kde forum
00:22<ix0>ix0, It's a fresh install of backtrack 4R2.
00:22<faheem_>!backtrack
00:22<dpkg>BackTrack is not Debian and is not supported in #debian (ask me about <based on debian>). Try http://www.backtrack-linux.org/ or #backtrack-linux on irc.freenode.net instead. BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux.
00:22<ix0>Heh, Okay.
00:22<ix0>Thanks faheem_ .
00:22<ix0>Cya.
00:22<faheem_>ix0: might be a distribution specific issue, ask there first
00:22<ix0>Okay, Will do.
00:22<faheem_>meaning backtrack
00:22<ix0>Cya.
00:23<faheem_>ix0: take care
00:23<ix0>Yeap.
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00:23<faheem_>there seem to be ubuntu based derivatives i've never even heard of
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00:27<faheem_>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BackTrack says nothign about Ubuntu
00:29<gsimmons>faheem_: You missed the "Ubuntu (operating system) derivatives" category.
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00:41<Zummy>Hello everyone!
00:43<faheem_>gsimmons: true, but the body of the text doesn't mention Ubuntu
00:43<faheem_>February 11, 2009BackTrack 4 first beta release. (It's now based on Debian)
00:43<faheem_>hmm
00:44<Zummy>I am doing christmas shopping and all, I was wondering if anyone could recommend a good wireless card that works well in linux (unlike Broadcom, haha)?
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00:45<faheem_>Zummy: perhaps try the reverse? try std drivers, see what the support?
00:45<faheem_>aren't intel cards well supported these days?
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00:46<faheem_>!wireless
00:46<dpkg>Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <b43>, <brcm80211>, <wl>; Intel: <ipw2100>, <ipw2200>, <iwlwifi>, <iwlagn>; Intersil: <prism>; Marvell: <marvell>; Ralink: <ralink>; Realtek: <rtl-wifi>; TI: <acx>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See also: <wlan howto>, <wpa>, <killswitch>. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi
00:46<faheem_>!intel
00:46<dpkg>Intel Corporation is a semiconductor manufacturer. For support of wireless LAN chipsets, ask me about <ipw2100>, <ipw2200>, <iwlwifi>, <iwlagn>. For support of Ethernet chipsets, ask me about <e100>, <e1000>, <e1000e>, <igb>. For support of WiMAX devices, ask me about <i2400m-usb>. For support of integrated graphics chipsets, ask me about <intel-gfx>. See also <speedstep>.
00:46<faheem_>!ipw2100
00:46<dpkg>ipw2100 is the driver for Intel PRO/Wireless 2100 802.11b chipsets, included in Linux since 2.6.14. Firmware is required, ask me about <non-free sources> and install the firmware-ipw2x00 package to provide. http://wiki.debian.org/ipw2200 #ipw2100 on irc.freenode.net.
00:46<faheem_>!ipw2200
00:46<dpkg>ipw2200 is the driver for Intel PRO/Wireless 2200 (802.11bg) and 2915 (802.11a/bg) chipsets, included in Linux since 2.6.15. Firmware is required, ask me about <non-free sources> and install the firmware-ipw2x00 package to provide. http://wiki.debian.org/ipw2200 #ipw2100 on irc.freenode.net.
00:47<faheem_>hmm, non-free
00:47<Zummy>Well I'm pretty new to linux and computing in general, so I don't know the specifics, all I know is I want a pci card that I don't have to work around for 40 hours just to get it to work like those Broadcom b43 drivers make me do (my current one)
00:47<Zummy>Thanks for all the information I'll look over it and see if I can make sense with it
00:47<faheem_>Zummy: i've used intel cards on ibm. they work well
00:47<faheem_>Zummy: what is your laptop? no built-in wifi?
00:48<Zummy>faheem_: Desktop, my laptop runs perfectly.
00:48<faheem_>ipm thinkpads that is
00:48<faheem_>Zummy: you want a wireless card for a desktop?
00:48<Zummy>faheem_: My Desktop has no availability to a wired connection at the moment. Wireless is my only option.
00:49<faheem_>Zummy: ok
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00:49<faheem_>Zummy: what version of debian?
00:49<faheem_>Zummy: you could use a wireless bridge
00:49<faheem_>you need to configure two routers, but it is not terribly difficult
00:50<Zummy>I'm on Windows 7 right now... I tried Ubuntu 10.10, I am looking at Debian right now, I've tried Sabayon, Gentoo, none of them like Broadcom.
00:50<Zummy>I haven't installed anything yet, just running live CD's. I just want to make sure I can get on the internet before I make a partition for it
00:51<faheem_>Zummy: a wireless bridge is ok agnostic. hardware solution. plug your ethernet cable into a router which is configured to communicate wirelessly with another router, which is actually booked up to etherhet
00:51<faheem_>os agnostic, sorry
00:51<faheem_>Zummy: relatively easy to set up using tomato
00:51<Zummy>No problem. I'm reading a wiki on it right now. It looks like it would work, though I never encountered a wireless bridge before
00:52<faheem_>and takes out all that distribution-specific headache of configuring wireles cards
00:52<faheem_>Zummy: i recommend tomato. it's good
00:52<faheem_>!tomato
00:52<Zummy>Quick question: I'm moving off to a university next semester, would this still work on their network too?
00:53<faheem_>Zummy: the wireless is your internal private thing. the only issue is, do they object to internal wireless broadcast?
00:53<faheem_>Zummy: some sysadmins are jealous about that sort of thing
00:54<Zummy>"UCF's wireless is an extension of its wired network, installed primarily for convenience of networking use. Wireless should be viewed only as a supplement to the wired network, and in no way as its replacement. All departments on campus should plan on installing standard wired connections in all areas they occupy, and should then think about adding wireless coverage as a feature. Wireless will
00:54<Zummy>not be supported as a replacement for a wired connection, and is not supported as a critical service."
00:54<faheem_>ie. we get to be the only ones broadcasting wirelessly, bitch!
00:54<Zummy>haha yeah I feel you. Thats straight from their site. I'm still looking
00:54<Zummy>It looks like they have wireless accessable, unless I'm reading this all wrong
00:55<faheem_>Zummy: right. but a wireless bridge is a hightech substitute for a length of ethernet wire
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00:56<faheem_>and you are doing the broadcasting from point to point, not the univ
00:57<Zummy>ooh, I se
00:57<faheem_>whether the univ is broadcasting wirelessly is irrelevant
00:58<Zummy>Right, I don't see anything on their website against it, but I suppose I'll e-mail their tech guy and see waht he has to say.
00:59<faheem_>Zummy: sounds good
00:59<Zummy>So if I were to purchase one of these, would I need any other devices to support it (like cables or anything) or is it an all in one package?
01:01<faheem_>Zummy: you'd need two routers. you also need some ethernet cables, yes
01:01<faheem_>but those are easily procured. sometimes routers include small bits of ethernet cables in the box
01:01<faheem_>but i wouldn't count on that
01:03<faheem_>incidentally, a wireless bridge in my experience is more stable than a wireless connection because it is dedicated, and usually the broadcast point is closer than for a regular wireless network
01:03<Zummy>Okay, I sent an email out to their wireless department, now I just have to wait. Thanks for the help. I'll keep looking into this.
01:04<Zummy>Yes it sounds like a good alternative, I just want this to be a permament fix and not temporary.
01:05<faheem_>Zummy: particularly if you have a desktop. which you can't take to a coffee shop anyway
01:06<Zummy>Right. haha I can't even take my laptop to a coffee shop, with its 40 minutes of battery life. It might as well just stay home.
01:07<faheem_>Zummy: here is the tomato link for reference - http://www.polarcloud.com/tomato
01:07<faheem_>second google hit for tomato.
01:08<Zummy>faheem_: Danke.
01:08<faheem_>the wrt54gl is quite popular. i've used that
01:09<Zummy>hm... Wait, I thought the problem was with the card inside my machine, not the modem...
01:10<Zummy>Isn't that why it appears with the "lspci" command?
01:12<faheem_>Zummy: not sure what you mean
01:12<Zummy>Well, the reason my internet wont work, is from this device
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01:12<faheem_>Zummy: what device is that?
01:12<Zummy>when I type in "lspci -vvnn | grep 14e4"
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01:12<Zummy>it returns
01:12<Zummy>Broadcom Corporation BCM4318 [AirForce One 54g] 902.11g Wireless LAN Controller [14e4:4318] (rev 02)
01:13<faheem_>Zummy: in your desktop?
01:13<Zummy>I was certain that was referencing the thing with the antennae on one of my pci slots
01:13<Zummy>on my desktop, yes.
01:14<Zummy>Or is that referencing that blue thing in the other room made by linksys with the two attenaes on it? similar to that wrt54gl
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01:14<faheem_>Zummy: that's your local card
01:14<faheem_>the broadcom thing
01:15<faheem_>Zummy: 'that blue thing' is probably a linksys router
01:15<Zummy>I apologize about the non-use of technical terms by the way, I'm still learning.
01:16<Zummy>But it seems that my internet problems aren't with the router, but with the local card. So I was looking to replace that.
01:16<faheem_>Zummy: lspci is listing your pci wireless card
01:16<faheem_>Zummy: right, i got that
01:16<Zummy>oh okay, you threw me off a little when you mentioned the wrt54gl.
01:17<faheem_>and i suggested a wireless bridge instead. but you could certainly replace the wireless card instead
01:18<Zummy>To me the wireless card sounds like a more feasible option considering my limited expertise and current circumstances with the college.
01:18<faheem_>Zummy: ok. about to reboot after an upgrade. will be back here in 5-10 if all goes well.
01:18<faheem_>Zummy: sure, whatever works for you
01:18<faheem_>Zummy: take care
01:18<Zummy>You too.
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01:51<rokot>есть кто живой?
01:51<bremner>!ru
01:51<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net. or use English here.
01:51<rokot>thanks :)
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01:57<rokot>how to control user access to folders on server with several virtual hosts?
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01:59<valajbeg>hello, how to make my location bar in nautilus look like a path not like buttons?
02:01<rokot>anybody her?
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02:05<MorePain>hello?
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02:07<rokot>how to control user access to folders on server with several virtual hosts?
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02:21<srbaker>heya folks
02:21<srbaker>http://afaikblog.wordpress.com/2010/11/25/evolution-re-evolved/
02:21<srbaker>can someone tell me what theme that is?
02:21<srbaker>the iwndow, and the gtk theme
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02:25<smv>srbaker, that's not a real theme. reread the last sentence from that article.
02:25<srbaker>oh, shame. i've seen that "theme" on several blogs
02:25<srbaker>and i love it
02:26<smv>srbaker, check on that blog that's linked in the last sentence
02:27<srbaker>yeah, i'm crusiing jimmac's site now. i can't find anything
02:27<srbaker>i'll email jimmac.
02:27<srbaker>thx
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03:58<omps>HI All
03:59<omps>anyone here
03:59<NickW_SD>what's up omps
04:00<omps>NickW_SD : llooking for some help with configuring bing
04:00<omps>bind
04:00<omps>can you help me with some good available docs
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04:01<NickW_SD>honestly, not off the top of my head...I just set up my own nameserver not too long ago though, what's the question and maybe I can help?
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04:02<omps>well i set up a named server long back almost 4/5 years back have almost forgotten evrything was looking for some docs to recollect the information
04:02<Swat->A good morning
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04:02<omps>w
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04:03<Swat->I have a problem with virtual machines installed via FAI. For some reason the disk speeds are low (~33MB/s write speed)
04:04<NickW_SD>omps, let me look a bit...I had a couple pretty good tutorials bookmarked on my other box
04:04<NickW_SD>...in the meantime, here's a few links:
04:04<NickW_SD>http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/355
04:04<NickW_SD>http://www.howtoforge.com/debian_bind9_master_slave_system
04:04<NickW_SD>http://wiki.debian.org/Bind9
04:04<NickW_SD>http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/network-administrator/ch-bind.html
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04:06<NickW_SD>ok...found my bookmarks -- just have to hope I don't type something wrong when I'm putting them in here :)
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04:07<NickW_SD>http://www.howtoforge.com/two_in_one_dns_bind9_views
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04:07<NickW_SD>oh, i missed that -- thanks Swat
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04:09<NickW_SD>sure, now you're back omps -- I had some stuff for ya, but I already pasted it here once :P
04:09<NickW_SD>...mind if I PM you?
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04:11<NickW_SD>bleh -- i give up
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04:43<faheem_>i just upgraded to squeeze. mostly plain sailing, but my fonts are a bit funky
04:44<faheem_>possibly dumb question, but if i run kde, do all apps, including web browsers use the font mandated by kde?
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04:45<devil>browser use fonts from browser settings
04:45<faheem_>devil: ok.
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04:48<faheem_>well, maybe the problem is not a specific font problem. the letter have little bits which look 'faded'
04:49<faheem_>could this be an anti-aliasing issue?
04:49<faheem_>letters have, sorry
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04:55<vi_>Hello all.
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04:55<vi_>ive a problem i do not understand yet
04:55<vi_>if i created /dev/md0 with 2 drives, sda/sdb, and / partition mirrored,
04:56<vi_>if i remove one of drives physically, system wont boot anymore
04:56<vi_>what do I do wrong? At moment I have no idea where to start seeking error
04:57<vi_>is only partition except swap on both drives
04:57<vi_> "/" is only partition except swap on both drives
05:00<NickW_SD>vi_, do you have grub installed to the MBR of both sda and sdb?
05:00<NickW_SD>...did you try booting it if you remove the other drive instead?
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05:01<vi_>hm, good idea, i will try and be back. Thx NickW_SD
05:03<vi_>if i installed grub on only sda, then if I dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb bs=512 count=1 will install grub to sdb drive as well ?
05:04<NickW_SD>ummm, I think it should -- if it were me though, I'd just use the grub-install command
05:04<NickW_SD>I don't remember the exact syntax offhand, but if you look in Google you should find it pretty easily
05:04<vi_>I am a new to linux, so I can miss some very basic commands
05:05<NickW_SD>...so it worked with the other drive in?
05:06<vi_>at moment it recovers raid1, i will try asap it finishes. 72%
05:06<NickW_SD>ok...
05:07<NickW_SD>in the meantime, you could try 'grub-install sda' and when that finishes, 'grub-install sdb' that should ensure that Grub is on both of them
05:08<NickW_SD>oops -- should be grub-install /dev/sda and grub-install /dev/sdb
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05:22<vi_>boots from 2nd drive normally
05:22<vi_>thank you
05:23<NickW_SD>so they can both work independently now? you've tested both separately and together?
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05:25<vi_>separately 2nd drive. Its logical now that only grub was not installed on other partition, so i think it will be fine now
05:25<NickW_SD>alright :)
05:26<vi_>i'll test another drive after recovery finishes
05:26<NickW_SD>...I just always like to test multiple combinations/possibilites when I'm doing things just to be sure :P
05:27<NickW_SD>last one I set up (not too long ago) took something like 3 hours to recover all the arrays -- took FOREVER to do a couple simple tests :P
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05:28<Txt-file>Is there a way to look what program is waiting for I/O?
05:29<cahoot>iotop?
05:29<@weasel>ps?
05:29<vi_>i could set hardware raid adaptec, however i doubt it would be convinient if this card will fail
05:29<Txt-file>cahoot: I will check iotop
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05:35<sebastia>hi
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05:44<hpvincent>hi all, I have installed some experimental packages, but I am not sure how to downgrade some of them now
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05:44<hpvincent>I removed the experimental source from source.list, aptitude update, but then what ?
05:45<devil>hpvincent: apt(itude)-get install
05:45<hpvincent>on the package I want to downgrade ?
05:45<devil>yes
05:45<hpvincent>ok thx
05:46<devil>if that does not work, you can also pass versions to apt-get
05:46<hpvincent>it looks like I lost the ability to sleep (suspend) with the experimental openvz kernel
05:46<hpvincent>it was working with the testing one
05:46<devil>no idea on openvz kernel. with 2.6.36-1 it works
05:46<hpvincent>but I am not 100% certain it's the lernel the culprit though
05:47<hpvincent>running /etc/acpi/sleep.sh just does nothing now
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05:47<hpvincent>or pressing the apprpriate button in KDE, or keyboard shortcut
05:47<devil>hpvincent: in kmenu, sleep works for me, powermanagement and closing lid does not
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05:49<hpvincent>devil, it just lock the screen for me
05:49<hpvincent>but that is not surprising, if /etc/acpi/sleep.sh does not work, KDE cannot do better I guess
05:49<devil>hpvincent: closing the lid does lock screen, yes
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05:50<hpvincent>no; doing sleep in the kmenu I meant
05:50<devil>oh
05:51<devil>hm, no sleep.sh here at all :)
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05:56<hpvincent>devil, really ?
05:56<devil>yep
05:56<hpvincent>/etc/acpi/sleep.sh
05:57<hpvincent>what version of debian are you running ?
05:57<devil>nope. i have /etc/acpi/events which is empty
05:57<devil>this is sid
05:57<devil>just checking where it went and what handles it
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05:58<hpvincent>I could sleep by running this script with the non upgraded squeeze install I made a few days ago
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06:10<devil>hpvincent: its in pm-utils now
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06:18<hpvincent>devil, thanks
06:18<ComradeHaz`>Hey all. What's the best way to shred a drive for warrenty claim? I though 'shred' did it but it seems I'm wrong.
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06:18<hpvincent>devil, so could it be the files I still have is a kind of leftover ?
06:18<ansgar>ComradeHaz`: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/foo
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06:20<ComradeHaz`>ansgar: sure, but that's a pretty hacky way :D
06:20<devil>hpvincent: i have no idea what squeeze will ship in that respect. check if you have /usr/lib/pm-utils/sleep.d
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06:20<hpvincent>devil, yes I have it
06:21<devil>hpvincent: then dive in there :)
06:21<ansgar>ComradeHaz`: What is hacky about it? It removes all (well, most) data from the disk in a way that is easy to understand.
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06:22<ComradeHaz`>ansgar: it also relies on the disk not containing any errors and being totally writable, which, surprise, surprise for a warranty claim, it's not.
06:25<hpvincent>whan I do aptitude upgrade, it lists what package (and version) it wll upgrade, but is there a way to see from what version it does the upgrade ?
06:25<hpvincent>something like x.y.z --> a.b.c
06:25<hpvincent>to display I mean
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06:28<mjt>hpvincent: apt-get -s upgrade | grep -v ^C
06:28<mjt>;)
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06:31<hpvincent>mjt, thanks :)
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06:32<mjt>you ran it? OMG, it destroyed your system! :)
06:32*mjt hides
06:32<crazyb0y>mjt: hehe
06:32<Snows>we have a linux group in capetown south africa, but they all seem to be geared toward ubuntu :-( i'm the odd one out!
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06:33<hpvincent>did it ?
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06:33<mjt>hpvincent: j/k
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06:33<hpvincent>oh, I feel better ;)
06:33<alabala>=]
06:33<mjt>hpvincent: -s stands for --simulate, ie, print what will be done but don't do anything
06:34<hpvincent>I see thx
06:34<hpvincent>so that's why I see both Inst and Conf
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06:34<hpvincent>it really describe the steps
06:34<mjt>grep filters Conf
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06:35<hpvincent>that's what I did :)
06:35<askdk>Ganneff, doktore ?
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06:35<hpvincent>ok now, if you're not tired of educating me ;) how could I upgrade just the kernel ? I suppose I should use a regex with install command ?
06:36<hpvincent>(I don't want to explicitely type the complete kernel name)
06:36<mjt>no, installl just the package you want
06:36<dutchfish>hi, what category is a bug for a package with a missing Vcs-* ?
06:36<hpvincent>yeah but I want the "lazy" way
06:36<mjt>apt-get (or aptitude) install linux-image-2.6
06:37<mjt>or somesuch
06:37<hpvincent>it doesn't upgrade anything, it wants a full name apparently
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06:37<mjt>you need the proper package name, yes
06:37<hpvincent>even aptitude install linux-image-2.6-openvz-686 doesn't work
06:38<mjt>openvz?
06:38<hpvincent>(though it is the kernel in use)
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06:38<hpvincent>but aptitude install linux-image-2.6.32-5-openvz-686 works
06:38<hpvincent>but I'd rather not type all that :(
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06:39<mjt>you already typed much more here in #debian
06:39<mjt>:)
06:39<dutchfish>hpvincent: why not aptitude search linux-image ? and cut/paste from it?
06:39<hpvincent>I want to upgrade the "linux package"
06:39<hpvincent>ah; cut/paste is boring :)
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06:39<hpvincent>need the mouse and everything
06:39<dutchfish>hpvincent: then make your own grep
06:40<hpvincent>but that's clumsy
06:40<dutchfish>hpvincent: if you cant name it you cant catch it
06:40<hpvincent>but what does linux-image-2.6-openvz-686 represents ?
06:41<mjt>out of curiocity, why are you running openvz kernel?
06:41<hpvincent>to be able to use vzctl mjt
06:41<mjt>oh ok
06:41<dutchfish>hpvincent: its a meta-package (a referrer only)
06:42<hpvincent>and when I ask to upgrade it, it doesn't propagate to what it links to ?
06:42<dutchfish>hpvincent: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=linux-image-2.6-openvz-686
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06:42<dutchfish>hpvincent: yes, if deps has been changed aptitude will honour the dependecies it refers too
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06:44<hpvincent>ok, it has not been update
06:44<hpvincent>d
06:44<hpvincent>oh wait yes it has
06:44<dutchfish>hpvincent: unless aptitude has been instructed not to do so. read about hold and pinning
06:44<hpvincent>ok thanks for the pointer
06:45<dutchfish>yw
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06:48<pkrzywicki>hi
06:49<pkrzywicki>did anyone of you tried to buld some www server with pability to stream mpeg movies
06:49<pkrzywicki>any soft which would be useful ?
06:50<pkrzywicki>to stream mpeg via www of course
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06:51<vi_>NickW_SD: some workaround still should be done. details i found here: http://grub.enbug.org/MirroringRAID , just in case you are interested
06:51<dutchfish>pkrzywicki: http://www.videolan.org/doc/streaming-howto/en/streaming-howto-en.html
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06:53<pkrzywicki>dutchfish, thx will take a look at it
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06:55<vi_>NickW_SD: also after sda drive fail and you will reboot, sdb will become sdb
06:55<vi_>NickW_SD: sdb will becom sda
06:55<vi_>NickW_SD: the adding new empity drive will also move system drive back to sdb, and system again wount boot
06:56<vi_>kinda sux
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07:03<chrispgr>hello, Can anybody help me with DNS and debian ?
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07:03<vi_>chrispgr: i think you can just ask your question
07:04<chrispgr>can I came prive?
07:04<chrispgr>*come
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07:19<chrispgr>Well I have a dedi server with IP 88.*.*.*.* I have bought a domain setted up the dns servers of the domain at the company name servers. I have also told via a panel to make this IP a reverse dns entry
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07:20<chrispgr>server does not respond to ssh via name or http
07:20<dutchfish>chrispgr: did you consider propagation delay?
07:21<chrispgr>yes of course the domain was registered yesterday morning
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07:21<dutchfish>chrispgr: depending on settings it can take up to 96 hours to fullt propagate
07:21<chrispgr>the domain solidsrv.net
07:22<Rockz>salam
07:22<dutchfish>chrispgr: not at this site (yet)
07:23<dutchfish>chrispgr: no NS records either
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07:23<chrispgr>host 88.198.57.156
07:23<chrispgr>156.57.198.88.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer solidsrv.net.
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07:24<dutchfish>chrispgr: whois is ok, but ns1-coloc.hetzner.de doesnt contain A records
07:24<antivirys>hi all
07:25<dutchfish>chrispgr: iow there is no glue
07:25<chrispgr>ahmm what should I do?
07:25<@weasel>there's no need for glues
07:25<dutchfish>chrispgr: make your authoritive dns server contain the A records ie ns1-coloc.hetzner.de
07:26<@weasel>no.
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07:27<chrispgr>the story goes solidsrv.net is registered in a registrant and I have given them my dedi-seller dns
07:27<chrispgr>I also have made my server a dns server
07:27<chrispgr>for hosting purposes
07:27<dutchfish>chrispgr: just look at the whois
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07:28<chrispgr>dutchfish: dns servers are ok
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07:29<chrispgr>why my server does not respond to this name?
07:29<@weasel>dig @ns1-coloc.hetzner.de solidsrv.net
07:30<@weasel>because neither ns1 nor ns2 answer questions about solidsrv.net
07:30<ompaul>chrispgr: IN NS ns.whatever.com
07:30<dutchfish>chrispgr: those dns servers mentioned can be queried like: dig @ns1-coloc.hetzner.de -t [x] solidsrv.net , where x is either NS | A | AAAA | MX etc
07:31<chrispgr>this means i have to host the primary domain zone file to another server
07:31<dutchfish>chrispgr: no this means your whois must point to your dns server you want to use
07:32<chrispgr>i have already setted that via the registrant
07:32<dutchfish>chrispgr: and is authoritive for your domain
07:32<chrispgr>yes but it does not work
07:32<dutchfish>chrispgr: thats where it went wrong then, or still sits in the pipeline
07:35<dutchfish>chrispgr: just monitor your whois when thats updated you are prolly good to go
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07:35<chrispgr>I kinda confused
07:35<dutchfish>chrispgr: but it can take a day or more to be comitted normally
07:36<chrispgr>at the server
07:36<chrispgr>side
07:36<chrispgr>the hostname is setted up with hostname
07:36<chrispgr>zeus:~# hostname
07:36<chrispgr>zeus.solidsrv.net
07:36<chrispgr>zeus:~# hostname -f
07:36<chrispgr>zeus.solidsrv.net
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07:37<dutchfish>chrispgr: this has nothing to do with it
07:37<chrispgr>zeus.solidsrv.net
07:37<chrispgr>zeus:~# hostname -f
07:37<chrispgr>zeus.solidsrv.net
07:37<chrispgr>is this correct?
07:37<chrispgr>I mean is this the right way?
07:37<dutchfish>chrispgr: yes, but it doesnt mather for the dns-ing
07:38<chrispgr>got it
07:38<dutchfish>chrispgr: its mor elike this whois-> auth. dns server -> records for that zone
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07:39<dutchfish>chrispgr: one more catch
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07:39<dutchfish>chrispgr: you cant change auth. dns server, if you havent setup the new dns auth. server correctly, something to be aware off
07:40<dutchfish>chrispgr: its being checked on commit
07:40<chrispgr>got it
07:41<dutchfish>chrispgr: good luck
07:41<chrispgr>thnx maybe i will come back again
07:41<dutchfish>yw
07:41<chrispgr>my brain refuses to understand the DNS things
07:42<dutchfish>chrispgr: draw it out, read, read read, and plan carefully, its easy to make a mistake
07:42<chrispgr>I have figured out that
07:42<dutchfish>good good
07:42<chrispgr>thank you very much
07:44<dutchfish>chrispgr: last thing, its curently locked, so it need to be unlocked at your registrar to update the change.
07:44<chrispgr>what do you mean locked?
07:44<dutchfish>chrispgr: that it cant be moved without your authorisation (owner)
07:45<chrispgr>I have made the move with the key
07:45<dutchfish>chrispgr: yes, nothing to worry, its normal practise
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07:46<chrispgr>do you know how many days takes for the move?
07:46<dutchfish>chrispgr: in EU it takes anyhting between 8 hours and 96 hours
07:46<chrispgr>nice let's see
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07:47<chrispgr>thank you very much for your help dutchfish have a nice day
07:47<dutchfish>yw, you too
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07:49<emk>Hello?
07:49<antivirys>hello
07:49<antivirys>:)
07:50<emk>Um. Newb here. Is this the debian chat room?
07:50<dutchfish>emk: yes
07:50<antivirys>to tell what is the problem:)
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07:52<emk>Have a problem getting my dell dimension 8100 desktop computer to recognize my cdrom drive. It used to work, but won't get recognized by the system anymore. I tried tinkering with fstab, and also going into setup but had no luck. Must be a simple way to reconfigure the computer to recognize it again.
07:53<emk>Half my message disappeared.
07:53<emk>Let's try this again.
07:53<abrotman>emk: does it work in another OS ?
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07:55<emk>Computer won't recognize CDROM. After I installed debian lenny it worked. But had a problem with the DVD drive. After that, CDROM won't be recognized.
07:55<antivirys>in / etc / fstab should have this
07:56<antivirys>/dev/cdrom /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,noauto 0 0
07:56<mjt>for cdrom there's nothing needed in fstab these days
07:56<emk>Not sure if its a problem I can fix with the F2 setup utility, or if it can be fixed by editing fstab? Any suggestions.
07:56<mjt>it's all done dynamically
07:56<antivirys>mount -a
07:56<emk>Thanks.
07:57<antivirys>mkdir /media/cdrom0
07:57<antivirys>mount -a
07:57<antivirys>:)
07:57<emk># /etc/fstab: static file system information.
07:57<emk>#
07:57<emk># <file system> <mount point> <type> <options> <dump> <pass>
07:57<emk>proc /proc proc defaults 0 0
07:57<emk>/dev/hda1 / ext3 errors=remount-ro 0 1
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07:57<antivirys>after you put it in / etc / fstab
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08:17<EmleyMoor>What's the best way to ensure, for a server, that all of the system mails go to root on the domain's mail server?
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08:22<s_i_m>hi, anyone understands internals of uvesafb + v86d? i want to get them working with a 64bit kernel on 32bit userland.
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08:23<EmleyMoor>Voicemail just says "Goodbye" and hangs up
08:23<s_i_m>i guess, i should have 64bit v86d, like the kernel?
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08:33<emk>topic: When I boot up and checkout the setup, I have a primary drive 0, but primary drive 1, secondary drive 0, and secondary drive 1 are all switched off. Not sure if this affects anything?
08:33<emk>No cdrom. :(
08:35<emk>Any debian configuration experts out there?
08:35<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... made it all work
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08:35<ignacio>ola
08:35<EmleyMoor>emk: What exactly is the issue? Other drives present but not detected?
08:35<ignacio>qen ers
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08:36<emk>Yes. I have a yamaha crrom rw, and a plextor DVD player, both internal.
08:36<dzver>what does it mean aptitude -y ?
08:36<dzver>-y to be exactly...
08:37<emk>er. cdrom rw ...that should be.
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08:37<dzver>10x :-))
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08:38<s_i_m>reboot. brb
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08:39<emk>Is there anyway to force debian to take another look to see what hardware is connected and to reconfigure accordingly, as it does when you first instal the operating system?
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08:40<EmleyMoor>emk: Are you absolutely sure they have not been detected at all?
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08:40<EmleyMoor>(checked dmesg?)
08:41<emk>I have no indication. I will check dmesg as suggested.
08:41<dzver>btw how can i erase file in debian (without graphic)? i mean what is the command
08:41<dzver>sry for such dumb questions i'm just new to it :p
08:41<EmleyMoor>dzver: rm
08:42<dzver>10x:)
08:42<dzver>for directory?
08:42<dzver>mkrm?
08:42<EmleyMoor>rmdir
08:42<dzver>10x again:)
08:42<dzver>btw where i can read those commands?
08:42<s_i_m>hm. tried force-installing v86d from amd64 arch, that did not work either. probably, i am trying to achieve something impossible :/
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08:43<emk>Ok. I've looked for directory dmesg. Not found it. What exactly is dsmeg and how do I access it?
08:43<EmleyMoor>emk: Just type dmesg
08:44<emk>type dmesg in the root terminal?
08:44<s_i_m>(just to remind: i want to get uvesafb + v86d working on a mixed 64bit kernel + 32bit userland setup)
08:44<EmleyMoor>emk: Yes
08:44<emk>ok
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08:44<EmleyMoor>dzver: Basic UNIX shell stuff - you can probably find many a guide on the web
08:45<dzver>10x again man :-)))
08:45<emk>debian:/home/emk# dsmeg
08:45<emk>bash: dsmeg: command not found
08:45<emk>debian:/home/emk#
08:45<abrotman>dmesg
08:45<emk>oops
08:45<EmleyMoor>d*mes*g
08:46<emk>ok. I got about four pages of stuff. What do I look for now?
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08:47<EmleyMoor>emk: Any reference to CD drives - often the hardware description will be there
08:47<emk>looking....
08:48<abrotman>dmesg | grep -i CD
08:48<abrotman>or DVD
08:48<EmleyMoor>Yes, that may be a good idea
08:48*EmleyMoor just tried it but has too much uptime on this machine
08:48<s_i_m>anyone knows any tool besides uvesafb that can setup high-res modes on the console? on a GeForce 8400M GS?
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08:50<s_i_m>well, there is of course the standard fb
08:50<s_i_m>that i want to avoid
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08:53<emk>No mention of either. There is the main hard drive listed, as well as my cardreader and usb-flash-drive.
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08:54<EmleyMoor>emk: Are they on the same controller as the hard drive?
08:54<emk>Not sure. How do I tell?
08:55<abrotman>does the BIOS see the CD drive?
08:55<emk>Sorry. I'm not sure how I tell. You mean when its booting up, does it show it?
08:55<EmleyMoor>Before booting up
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08:56<Powerfire>hi Sinterklaas:+
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08:56<s_i_m>emk, can you enter the bios setup?
08:57<emk>I went into "setup" and it lists primary hard drive 0. But primary 1, secondary 0 and secondary 1 are all switched to off. I tried rebooting with them set to "auto" but it didn't help.
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08:57<EmleyMoor>emk: Then it appears they are not connected
08:57<gil>oi
08:59<emk>Hmmm. Maybe I did disconnect it once. I will take it apart and check the ribbons going to the drives. Maybe they are connected in the wrong order. Many thanks for your time.
08:59<emk>Thank you!!!
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09:06<dzver>where can i find the conf file of apache :/ ?
09:07<dzver>i tested it ... it says it works but i installed mysql + phpmyadmin but cant open them ;/
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09:12<hpvincent>devil, I found out what was wrong with sleep
09:13<hpvincent>it's because sleep.sh check for the presence of a daemon (guidance or whatever)
09:13<hpvincent>and if there's one , then it does nothing
09:14<hpvincent>and the KDE power manager apparently has problem right now (maybe because I am missing consolekit) so it fails itself to go to sleep
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09:18<devil>hpvincent: consolekit was installed default here
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09:23<hpvincent>devil, it was a suggested package when I installed kde
09:24<hpvincent>and I didn't install it at first
09:24<devil>well, it does not fix powerdevil
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09:28<emk>Just wanted to thank Emley Moor and all for their help with my CDROM drive which wouldn't get recognized. The issue was that the wrong ribbon wire was connected to the CDROM. I connected the free spot on the ribbon to the main hard drive to the cdrom, and it now works!!! Your help was much appreciated!
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09:31<abrotman>i asked about the BIOS!
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09:31<s_i_m>abrotman, here is your cookie =)
09:31*abrotman prefers karma
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09:34<s_i_m>one question: is there a list of system groups that were present in lenny but became obsolete in squeeze?
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09:36<abrotman>!groups
09:36<dpkg>from memory, groups is file:///usr/share/doc/base-passwd/users-and-groups.html . Ask me about <group> and <desktop groups>. See also http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-opersys.html#s9.2
09:36<abrotman>not sure if there's a list of newly obsolete though
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09:37<mjt>how about diff between base-passwd from lenny and squeeze?
09:37<hpvincent>ok so it was indeed because consolekit was not started that it wouldn't go to sleep through PowerDevil
09:37<mjt>/usr/share/base-passwd/group.master
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09:38<s_i_m>ok, mjt, i will look
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09:49<s_i_m>so, I see that there were no changes in the groups with gids 0-100, but how about dynamically allocated system groups? (100-999)
09:49<vi_>has anyone tried postgresql9.0 on 5.0?
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10:39<collette>good morning world
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10:40<sney>word
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10:40<collette>I'm troubleshooting disappearing print jobs, I'm new to linux. When I run lpinfo -v I get two confusing lines of output: "direct parallel: /dev/lp0" and "direct hp:/par/HP_LaserJet_3150?device=/dev/parport0"
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10:41<collette>what's the difference between /dev/lp0 and /dev/parport0?
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10:41<sney>nothing, they both refer to your first (only) parallel port. /dev/parport0 is probably just a symlink to /dev/lp0
10:42<sney>the difference between your two lines there is that one is just your parallel port, and the other is some kind of special HP setup.
10:42<collette>thanks. When I run hp-setup -g (debug mode) I notice that the serial number of the printer isn't being passed. Is that a dealbreaker?
10:42<sney>no
10:42<collette>I understand symlinks
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10:42<sney>here's my question, if you're using a laserjet, why do you need hplip?
10:42<sney>I thought all modern laserjets just supported ps out of the box
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10:43<collette>everything I looked up says I need HP's linux driver
10:43<collette>except for the things that told me that 3150 is a paperweight on linux
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10:44<sney>really? dang. hp, I am disappoint
10:44<collette>I tuned to hplip after the CUPS installed with my debian system didn't work
10:44<collette>i mean, didn't set up the printer correctly
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10:44<collette>so I'm trying to see if CUPS can talk to the parport, maybe the BIOS isn't set up right...
10:44<sney>there's a quick test you can run just to see if the internet is wrong. do you have a small pdf file handy?
10:45<collette>I can get one in a sec. Thanks for your help sney
10:45<sney>cat yourfile.pdf > /dev/lp0
10:45<sney>and see what comes out, if anything.
10:45<collette>ok
10:45<collette>how small?
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10:46<bremner>err, really pdf straight to the device?
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10:50<bighornram>anyone else having problems with video filters in the new ffmpeg?
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10:53<collette>hi sney, cat my.pdf > /dev/lp0 results in nothing.
10:55<sney>bremner: many laserjets and other midgrade office printers understand ps/pdf natively
10:55<bremner>ps != pdf
10:55<bremner>but, if you say pdf works, OK.
10:55<sney>collette: well I guess the internet is right then, you'll have to keep messing with hplip, but don't hold your breath if it hasn't worked yet
10:56<sney>bremner: yeah, I used to be a HP printer tech, it's one of my areas of quasi-expertise
10:56<bremner>cool
10:56<collette>this is making me OCD
10:56<bremner>My printer expertise is from the '80s :)
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10:58<collette>what's the difference between a PDL file and a PPD file? One of the messages in hp-setup was "No specific PDL located"
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11:06<dono>why does apt-get asks for a cd if i try to install gcc?
11:06<sney>because your sources.list still has a line for the install cd
11:07<dono>ok
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11:08<dono>works now, thanks a lot!
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11:15<iewan64>waz up peeps
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11:30<skazz>tryed to set up saslauthd paste.org.ru/?kk4dys what is the problem? the settings are default except MECHANISMS="sasldb"
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11:52<dono>how do i change apt's cache limit (debian 5)? there is no /etc/apt/apt.conf
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12:15<N30>How do i make linux-ppp (vpn) auto reconnect?
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12:36<zeev>Hi, my whole hard drive is filled with an LVM partition - I would like to make some place to install windows. Should I shrink lvm and add 1-2 new partitions? If yes - do you know a tutorial that shows how to do it step by step?
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12:41<dmz>is there any way to determine when the last upgrade occurred on a system? I need to ensure a bunch of servers are updated but that's done by a different group so I need to monitor it's upgrade status. i don't want to introduce a timestamp or new script (it won't be used be forgotten/etc) so are there any files that track updgrade/versioning/changes 'system-wide'?
12:41<devil>dmz: dpkg.log shows you
12:41<cahoot> /var/log/aptitude or such?
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12:42<skazz>tryed to set up saslauthd paste.org.ru/?kk4dys what is the problem? the settings are default except MECHANISMS="sasldb"
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13:06<zeev>Hi, my whole hard drive is filled with an LVM partition - I would like to make some place to install windows. Should I shrink lvm and add 1-2 new partitions? If yes - do you know a tutorial that shows how to do it step by step?
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13:11<bighornram>can somebody help troubleshooting ffmpeg? It upgraded yesterday and I have no video filters today.
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13:16<bighornram>is anyone reading this?
13:17<devil>reading.
13:17<bighornram>ok thanks, seems very quiet here
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13:17<bremner>bighornram: general rules of irc. 1) ask a specific question. 2) wait.
13:18<bighornram>bremner: understood.
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13:20<bremner>bighornram: for example, what version of Debian? What version of ffmpeg? Are you using the debian-multimedia repos? what specific filter are you missing?
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13:28<bighornram>bremner: ok, sorry... will try again with more info. I'm using squeeze, debian-multimedia. When I did a safe-upgrade yesterday morning ffmpeg was upgraded. http://pastebin.com/K16599az I'm now show no filters when I execute ffmpeg -filters
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13:29<bighornram>specifically I'm looking to use the -vf option in ffmpeg
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13:38<ciccio>come posso scaricare i film
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13:52<ciccio>!list
13:52<dpkg>well, list is VATTENE VIA!
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13:58<Swat->Evening, anyone here using FAI in combination with KVM vm's? I am experiencing some poor disk performance.
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14:07<zeropiel>anyone experience a slowdown because of sshfs?
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14:14<amphi>zeroedout: sshfs has perceptible overhead in my experience
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14:24<jacks_lt>I have a triple boot now, windows, debian and just installed ubuntu, using grub2. I want to use the 'grub file' from debian (main distro) but it is using the one of Ubuntu now, how to set it back?
14:25<jacks_lt>and it would be nice if kernel updates in ubuntu will hit the grub menu also
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14:36<mase>jacks_lt then you have to update grub-setup in debian. and every time you change the kernel in ubuntu
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14:37<jacks_lt>mase: just: #update grub-setup?
14:37<Torsten_W>update-grub
14:37<Torsten_W>update grub-setup is nothing
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14:38<mase>update-grub2 (or update-grub) is only updating the configuration of grub i think
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14:38<jacks_lt>right
14:38<mase>its not reinstalling to MBR
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14:39<jacks_lt>mase: how to do that
14:39<mase>mom
14:39<jacks_lt>k
14:39<mase>"dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc" seems to reinstall on specified partitions/MBR
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14:43<jacks_lt>let's see...
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14:50<brokencycle>Hi
14:51<nijabo_>Hi
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14:51<nijabo_>My first time in there
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14:55<brokencycle>I have a big problem using aptitude, which doesn't recognize installed packages and tries to remove half of my system.
14:56<devil>brokencycle: can you pastebin what it wants to do?
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15:01<brokencycle>http://pastebin.ca/2003958
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15:02<brokencycle>This machine is close to Squeeze
15:03<brokencycle>Please note the problem with 'udev', which should be symptomatic
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15:03<brokencycle>I'm currently using the X system that aptitude is trying to remove
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15:05<kop>brokencycle: What do you mean "closeto Squeeze"?
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15:05<brokencycle>http://pastebin.ca/2003968 wrt. 'nautilus' I mean: it is a testing system that I regularly update, but I removed 'unstable' from the list of repositories.
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15:05<brokencycle>sof, updating the machine should get me ever closer to Squeeze.
15:06<brokencycle>s/sof/So,/
15:06<brokencycle>Which I do about once every other week or so.
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15:07<brokencycle>Oh, and: # aptitude why-not xorg Unable to find a reason to remove xorg.
15:07<kop>brokencycle: If you had unstable in your repositories then you were on unstable and you're trying to downgrade.
15:07<kop>!downgrade
15:07<dpkg>[downgrade] Downgrading is not possible with apt-get/aptitude and no future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>.
15:08<brokencycle>I did away with unstable months ago.
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15:08<brokencycle>Eg. I just checked that udev is exactly at the version in testing.
15:09<abrotman>when is the last time you did a full-upgrade ?
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15:09<brokencycle>Uh... can't even remember. I guess two or three months ago at least.
15:09<abrotman>bad
15:09<brokencycle>But this problem just started to crop up last week
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15:10<abrotman>do a full-upgrade .. get your broken bits up to date before you start complaining about it doing bad stuff
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15:15*kop likes it when the experts step in.
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15:15<brokencycle>dpkg: I don't want to downgrade, I only want to not lose stuff already there.
15:15<dpkg>You are person #2 to send an unparseable request, brokencycle
15:16<abrotman>finish your full-upgrade first
15:16<kop>abrotman: I believe that once upon a time, a long time ago, I was having problems when lenny went stable when my screensaver started displaying xml on it's unlock dialog. Some time later it does it again, although now there's not really xml, just a big "%R". I can't figure out what to re-install (or otherwise frob) to fix it. Any clue, offhand?
15:16<brokencycle>ok
15:17<kop>abrotman: (At the time you had the answer.)
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15:17<abrotman>kop: uhm, i did? sounds like it's trying to load some variable .. have you tried selecting a single screensaver?
15:18<kop>abrotman: I'm not sure what you mean? There's just one installed, the gnome default, afaik.
15:18<abrotman>look in the gnome screensaver applet
15:19<kop>abrotman: I've poked around. I can do so again. It's not a big deal. I hope it goes away on the upgrade to the next stable. Thanks.
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15:22<brokencycle>nevermind, i've just seen this occur here, too: #587087 will do the upgrade manually :|
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15:32<debslash>hi, i new in debian use. i have a question. first srry for my english, well i trying explain. rigth now finish my installation debian lenny 5 but i cant strat de x with gnome
15:32<abrotman>debslash: aptitude install xorg gnome gdm
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15:34<debslash>ok, im only install gnome.. thks.. running aptitud....
15:34<abrotman>you need xorg too
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15:38<debslash>abrotman, done but my screen say adjustment monitor screen (resolutions ), and the screen dont have response.
15:39<abrotman>debslash: what is your video card?
15:39<debslash>abrotman, nvidia 9800gt sparkle
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15:41<debslash>abrotman, its a clean install only have de system base
15:42<debslash>abrotman, but now gnome and gdm and xorg too
15:42<abrotman>you probably need the non-free binary stuff
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15:44<debslash>abrotman, my card dont have support its the problem?
15:44<abrotman>not without the binary drivers
15:44<abrotman>!nvidia
15:44<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers . If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net).
15:45<debslash>abrotman, ty really
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15:46<Jasonn>FreeBSD static binaries cannot be run on Linux (but Linux binaries can be run on FreeBSD). But can static binaries compiled in Debian/kfreebsd squeeze run on Linux ?
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15:56<nijabo_>Installing Debian in a virtualbox :D
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15:57<amphi>your hw too good for debian, eh?
15:57<nijabo_>Hah
15:58<nijabo_>No it's just a test install for the real thing later
15:58<amphi>ah
15:59<nijabo_>I dare not eh mess things up before I've got everything backed up
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16:09<xct>algum brasileiro on?
16:10<xct>who in here use the new version of back track?
16:10<amphi>!br
16:10<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
16:10<amphi>!bt
16:10<dpkg>bt is, like, Bhutan, or <bluetooth>, or British Telecom, or <bittorrent>, or <BackTrack>.
16:10<amphi>!BackTrack
16:10<dpkg>BackTrack is not Debian and is not supported in #debian (ask me about <based on debian>). Try http://www.backtrack-linux.org/ or #backtrack-linux on irc.freenode.net instead. BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux.
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16:12<nijabo_>You showed them amphi
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16:21<debslash>if the lsmod| grep video dont give any response if becouse i dont have any driver of video installed no?
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16:25<amphi>debslash: the 'video' module is an acpi driver
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16:28<k333>hello
16:29<k333>I've been using awesome lately, but d-bus doesn't work well, not all messages are displayed, is there a workaround or a tip to solve this?
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16:35<brokencycle>ok. did 'aptitude full-upgrade', and, with some hand-waving, it installed a lot of packages (now doesn't want to remove anything anymore).
16:35<brokencycle>but aptitude install still wants to remove tons of stuff
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16:36<brokencycle>including linux-image-2.6.32-5-686-bigmem, the kernel that i'm running on.
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16:49<abrotman>brokencycle: aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade .. make sure it's all done
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17:01<brokencycle>I've done that, but no change
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17:03<brokencycle>btw, aptitude doesn't always exit with status 0, even if it should.
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17:12<lulo>hos gusta el rap
17:12<lulo>?¿
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17:13<lulo>habalr
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17:14<lulo>tus muertos jaja
17:14<lulo>;)
17:14<lulo>adiosssssssssss
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17:14<lulo>sss
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17:14<lulo>limp bizkit makina eee
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17:45<nijabo_>My Debian install was a success :D
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17:47<amphi>!rejoice
17:47<dpkg>...and the peasants rejoiced.
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17:50<nijabo_>:D
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18:06<kritt>Hello, I updated my debian testing system today and my KDE stop working, when I try to launch any kde app. I get the following error:
18:06<kritt>konversation: symbol lookup error: /usr/bin/imageformats/libqgif.so: undefined symbol: _ZN9QListData11detach_growEPii
18:06<kritt>dolphin: symbol lookup error: /usr/bin/imageformats/libqgif.so: undefined symbol: _ZN9QListData11detach_growEPii
18:07<kritt>I need some ideas on how to fix this, please.
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18:12<Giacomo>Hi all! If I press CTRL - + in Epiphany 2.22.3 (Debian 5.0.6) text become larger, then if I press CRTL - 0 (zero) it should became of the original size, but it does not work if i press the *numeric keypad* "0", bug?
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18:14<devil>kritt: try reinstalling libqtgui4
18:14<kritt>ok, doing that......
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18:16<kritt>Nope, the error continues.
18:16<devil>kritt: please pastebin the output of: ldd /usr/bin/imageformats/libqgif.so
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18:19<kritt>They are a lot of lines, I just 'paste' them here?
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18:20<devil>no
18:20<devil>paste.debian.net
18:22<kritt>ok, they are in in paste.debian.net, I hope I do that right.
18:23<devil>if you click on send, you get a new URL, paste that here
18:23<vook>krit now you have to tell us the web adress
18:24<kritt>http://paste.debian.net/hidden/385d3950/
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18:24<vook>devil gosh, this is ot, but its never too late to change to a less demonic nick :)
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18:25<devil>vook: no way :)
18:25<vook>okok
18:25<vook>how about nickangel?
18:26<vook>niceangle
18:26<vook>ok i'm done
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18:26<bighornram>I would like to roll back to ffmpeg 5:0.6~svn20100726-0.1 for amd64 because the upgrade on the 26th of Nov is broken. I can't find the deb files can anyone suggest where I might find the deb for ffmpeg and it's lib dependencies?
18:27<devil>kritt: hm, nothing wrong there. did you restart dolphin?
18:28<devil>bighornram: did you check packages.debian.org?
18:28<kritt>I restart the whole machine, the problem exist in sevaral apps, okular, konqueror, dolphin, however kpdf works :-(
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18:29<devil>kritt: so you have a mix of qt3 and qt4?
18:30<bighornram>devil: I have debian-multimedia for a source and it is updated to Nov. 15th to the broken packages. I cleaned my cache or iI would have the old debs
18:30<kritt>do not know, how can I check that?
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18:31<devil>kritt: if you have kpdf, it should be qt3 afaik
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18:31<kritt>ok, then what packages I need to remove?
18:33<devil>kritt: pastebin dpkg -l | grep qt
18:33<kritt>I think is this one: libqt-mt
18:33<kritt>is libqt3-mt
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18:36<devil>kritt: uh, that has tons of rdepends. you should check apt-cache rdepends libqt-mt and see what installed packages it corresponds with. but that could be totaly misleading
18:36<kritt>http://paste.debian.net/100923/
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18:42<devil>kritt: hm, bit clueless
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18:43<devil>when i moved to kde4 18 months ago i removed all kde3/qt3 stuff
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18:45<kritt>Well, I feel totally clueless. :-( At least I can work on XCFE. :-( When I fisrt install debian on my machine I used incorrectly the i686 version of the kernel on an Intel machine, I am still using it without problems, later I learn that i had to use the AMD64 version. Do you think this problem may be related?
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18:47<devil>kritt: no. on a machine capable of running 64-bit OS, you can also run a 32-bit OS. ust not the other wa around
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18:48<devil>thats just bad if you have >= 4 GB of ram
18:48<bluenemo>hi guys. i have a little problem with my beloved squeeze with gnome.. every time i doubleclick on a text file it asks me if i want to view or execute it :( regardless of if the execution bit is set in the permissions
18:48<bluenemo>how can i get rid of that?
18:49<christian>is there a dock that works well in debian? glx-cairo works great in ubuntu but sucks in debian... debian just does not do a very good job ... lags and hangs
18:49<bluenemo>just read devil's last message, but if its about 64bit or not try the bigmem kernel. works fine for me with 8gb ram
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18:49<kritt>well I installed the i686-bigmem, since I have 4GB. I see all the memory, but I will install the amd64 in the near future.
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18:50<bluenemo>i use bigmem as well. what problem have you got with it?
18:50<devil>kritt: but that has nothing to do with your problem
18:51<christian>anyone know of a good dock for debian?
18:51<kritt>any idea what can I do now?
18:52<kritt>Do I need to raise a bug report? if so, where?
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18:52<bluenemo>apt-get install reportbug (maybe)
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18:53<devil>kritt: can you check if you have /usr/lib/qt4/plugins/imageformats/libqgif.so?
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18:54<kritt>looking for ir .....
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18:55<kritt>yes: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 26K Oct 18 06:51 libqgif.so
18:56<kritt>And seems that the recent update does not touch the file, since is dated on Oct 18.
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18:58<devil>yeah, leads nowhere.
18:59<kritt>What is the undefined symbol _ZN9QListData11detach_growEPii ?
18:59<devil>ust what it says: an undefined symbol
19:00<kritt>okular: symbol lookup error: /usr/bin/imageformats/libqgif.so: undefined symbol: _ZN9QListData11detach_growEPii
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19:00<devil>did you make sure, your dist-upgeade went all the way through?
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19:00<kritt>I am going to have nightmares with _ZN9QListData11detach_growEPii. :-(
19:01<devil>kritt: you might want to ask in #debian-kde
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19:01<kritt>Yes, I run aptitude update, then aptitude full-upgrade, I see no errors.
19:01<devil>kritt: if you run it now, it should show no new packages
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19:02<devil>or any errors
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19:02<kritt>yes, that is correct, there is no new packages.
19:04<kritt>thank you very much for your help devil. I will try now the debian-kde channel.
19:04<devil>kritt: np. sorry i could not help
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19:07<kritt>well I learned apt-cache rdepends <package> and that i686 is a 32 bit debian version. So I am grateful.
19:07<kritt>Also I learned how to use paste.debian.net.
19:08<kritt>Thank you. Bye.
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19:40<debslash>srry the cuestion but, somebody know the repositories of cairo dock....
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19:41<devil>packagename is cairo-dock
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19:43<jrabbit>Anyone familiar with packaging? I'm trying to package a python script and its dependencies into a quick .deb I want to basically run a script
19:45<devil>jrabbit: you might want to ask in a python channel. packaging !=python packaging
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19:46<jrabbit>devil: its for debian not python. the app jsut happens to use python.
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19:51<jrabbit>Like where would I make this script that installs this app?
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19:52<pkrzywicki>Hi,
19:52<jrabbit>devil: is there a betetr channel?
19:52<pkrzywicki>anyone knows how to add options to the menu in freevo
19:52<bremner>jrabbit: there is a quick and dirty packaging howto on the debian wiki.
19:52<pkrzywicki>by auchance
19:52<pkrzywicki>which files I should check
19:52<jrabbit>ah I was looking in the docs
19:52<jrabbit>bremner: thanks
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19:52<jrabbit>the docs are a little old and highly specific
19:53<bremner>jrabbit: what docs?
19:53<jrabbit>http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/ch-dreq.en.html
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19:53<bremner>well, you need that information if you want to do it right.
19:54<jrabbit>its way old :)
19:54<jrabbit>i.e. dh_make is gone
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19:54<bremner>no it isn't
19:55<jrabbit>-bash: dh_make: command not found
19:55<jrabbit>I have dh and a million others
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19:55<bremner>umm. Yeah.
19:56<bremner>apt-cache search dh_make
19:56<jrabbit>oh :S
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20:00<jrabbit>bremner: should I make it a source or binary? will binary allow me to script it?
20:01<bremner>jrabbit: I think you should read some, either from the wiki, or from the new maintainers guide.
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20:07<bremner>see in particular section 1.2 of the new maintainers guide.
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20:41<N30>anyone know how to make proftpd -> Passive mode work behind pptp connection? I tried using MasqueradeAddress pptp-IP. That made it work halfway. But transfers dont work.
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20:47<shweppsie_>Just upgraded one of my machines from lenny to squeeze. All went smoothly except for one issue.
20:48<shweppsie_>error: Unable to migrate to dependency based boot sequencing.
20:48<shweppsie_>error: Problems detected: insserv: script hostname.sh: service hostname already provided!
20:48<shweppsie_>Any help would be much appreciated
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20:55<Nemoder>shweppsie_: dependency based booting isn't critical but it looks like the problem is with your /etc/init.d/hostname.sh or whatever the other script is that provides your hostname
20:56<shweppsie_>Nemoder: how do I find out what the other script is?
20:56<shweppsie_>hostname.sh comes from initscripts so I'm guessing that's the one I need to keep.
20:57<Nemoder>i'm not sure.. search init.d for hostname i guess
20:59<Nemoder>http://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts/DependencyBasedBoot more info here
20:59<shweppsie_>Yer I've been looking there
20:59<shweppsie_>hasn't helped I'm afraid
21:00<shweppsie_>nevermind fixed it.
21:00<shweppsie_>one of my other startup scripts had hostname as it's "provides:" line.
21:01<Nemoder>ah ya that would make sense
21:02<shweppsie_>Nemoder: thanks
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21:50<paco>hola
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23:44<javita>hola
23:44<f0rk>!es
23:44<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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23:48<dpkg>* nohelphere wonders whats in /etc/apt
23:48<bja>!flw0
23:48<dpkg><wasabi> Gnea, I want no security.
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