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---Logopened Tue Nov 30 00:00:04 2010
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00:02<nadir>sidracer, what is the problem?
00:04<sidracer>problem is wanting to resize partitions
00:04<sidracer>which will 'break' current grub
00:05<sidracer>I haven't resized partitions for a while... if I resize the wndows one.... i guess I should google on that one
00:08<nadir>as long as the partitions keep the name grub should keep working.
00:08<nadir>do: "fdisk -l " now and "fdisk -l " after the resizing
00:08<nadir>If you use UUIDs you will need to use "blkid"
00:08<nadir>or "ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid"
00:09<nadir>on the one hand.
00:09<nadir>on the other: "update-grub"
00:09<nadir>(on the one hand was about /etc/fstab)
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00:21<sidracer>i'm used to using fstab... UUID not so much but I've dealt with it before
00:21<sidracer>thanks, nadir
00:21<sidracer>for info/explanation
00:22<sidracer>i'm going to try the debian live media
00:22<sidracer>is it okay to install with it?
00:22<sidracer>i can't decide if i want to use gnome or kde ;)
00:22<nevyn>hrm
00:24<sidracer>?
00:24<nevyn>it's a preference. try whichever for a week then try the other for a week.
00:25<nevyn>work out which one irritates you less.
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00:26<nadir>installing from the installation CD is probably less trouble.
00:26<nadir>find out which one you prefer with a live-CD, do the installation from an installation CD
00:26<nadir>(that is what i would do)
00:28<sidracer>okay
00:28<sidracer>sounds like good advice, thanks
00:29<sidracer>i'm used to the install cds anyway
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00:29<sidracer>but, i haven't looked at the newest kde or gnome for a while
00:29<sidracer>so, i thought i'd look at the live media before going through the install...i dunno... i guess the installs don't take long ...
00:29*nevyn figgures both end up installed anyway and disk is cheap.
00:30<sidracer>true
00:30<nevyn>I don't understand the whole be one or the other meme
00:30<sidracer>plus, i'm starting from scratch so i'll have enough disk space
00:30<nevyn>I tend towards a best of breed type solution
00:30<sidracer>i screwed up last time i configured my system... i had unallocated space of 100gb so i had extra space
00:31<sidracer>do apps of one de work okay in the other?
00:31<sidracer>i read that kde apps work a bit smoother in gnome than vice versa
00:31<sidracer>i guess i'll find out
00:32<sidracer>most of my fav. apps are kde ones, though
00:32<sidracer>anyway, my new resizing of partitions is the main project for me right now ;) i hope i don't screw up my drive!
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00:33<nevyn>sidracer: /me always uses LVM
00:34<nadir>as long you are not on a very old PC using gtk-apps in KDE and the other way around should work.
00:34<nadir>that said: i would go for a dual-boot (one kde, one gnome) too.
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00:35<sidracer>nadir, maybe i should do that
00:35<sidracer>what's a good size for the partition?
00:35<sidracer>what do you use?
00:35<sidracer>nevyn: i would like to use LVM but not familiar with it?
00:36<sidracer>is 50gb each enough?
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00:36<nadir>50 GB is a lot.
00:36<nevyn>sidracer: how many disks do you have?
00:36<sidracer>i want to use virtualbox in one of them, though....so I thought i should use 100gb and have extra space
00:36<nadir>You use Vbox or another ....
00:36<nevyn>sidracer: use lvm for vbox's ;)
00:36<nadir>ah, you already said.
00:37<nadir>With Vbox 50 is not that much.
00:37<sidracer>my current os drive is 320gb
00:37<nadir>How much you need for Windows?
00:37<sidracer>nadir: yeah
00:37<nadir>i got 100GB partitions.
00:38<nadir>but i got 3 VBox-installations on each of them.
00:38<nevyn>sidracer: that's not the question.. how many drives are there?
00:38<nadir>Music is on a separate partition.
00:38<sidracer>nadir: I don't use windows much but i have ppl who use my windows computer or ask me windows questions and i always run out of windows room
00:38<sidracer>nevyn: you mean partitions?
00:38<nevyn>no physical spindles.
00:38<nevyn>disks.
00:39<smv>i need help to decide what kind of RAM should buy. i have 512MB DDR, and 2 more free sockets. should i go for 2x512MB or for 1x1GB? here's the dmidecode output: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/daa62dbb/
00:40<sney>always leave room for further upgrades
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00:41<sidracer>nevyn: I dunno... it's a 1 platter drive
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00:41<nevyn>sidracer: so one?
00:41<sidracer>yeah
00:41<nevyn>are you planning on adding more disks?
00:41<linkslice>sooooo, I've got a debian install disk
00:42<linkslice>that fails cd verification, is there a way I can use that for network install?
00:42<sidracer>well, there's one other drive in the computer but its' a separate deal right now... I need to see if there's any data on it I want... it's a 500gb drive but older gen. , i think
00:42<sidracer>nadir: any ideas?
00:42<linkslice>I do not have any more cdr, but this one gets as far as installing base-system before failing, so I think a network install would work, if possible
00:42<nadir>i for one would use: 20 for root, and 100 for windows/kde/gnome
00:43<nadir>that are 320, and the problem is solved.
00:43<nadir>anything but perfect, but at least a fast solution :-)
00:43<sidracer>i thought of resizing the windows partitions but only because they're full
00:43<nadir>20 for root is a heck lot, of course.
00:43<sidracer>what i really want to do is get a separate external drive for ntfs
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00:44<sidracer>nadir: oh, I should have a separate root partition?
00:44<nadir>not in each case.
00:44<sidracer>i usually have home and root in same partition...is that a bad idea?
00:44<nadir>some say yes, some say no.
00:44<nadir>i for one think it is ok.
00:45<smv>256MB /boot, 46GB /, 1GB /var/log, 3GB swap, 100%FREE /home
00:45<sidracer>nadir: yeah :) and so i don't know
00:45<nadir>how big is your Windows right now?
00:45<sidracer>mostly, i screw up in the install and forget to even set a separate root partition so i just leave it ;)
00:45<sidracer>20 gb and another 20gb ....something like that
00:46<nadir>ok, that is a bit small.
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00:46<sidracer>i meant to have the 20gb as space for programs but somehow both partitions got full
00:46<smv>linkslice, you can check the CD's with md5sum
00:46<sidracer>yes, it's small
00:46<sidracer>i screwed up
00:46<nadir>i would go for something like 3x 100 gigs.
00:46<linkslice>smv, its fails the md5 check
00:47<nadir>either windows gnome/kde dual boot.
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00:47<nadir>or three installlations: one windows, one gnome, one kde
00:47<linkslice>but is there a way I can switch it to network install? to fetch the packages and whatnot from a mirror?
00:47<smv>linkslice, which iso image you used? already burnt on the cd?
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00:47<sidracer>nadir: Oh, I think I see what you're saying
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00:47<nadir>but if you use Vbox anyway.... i would go for dualboot. And test the other environment inVobx
00:47<linkslice>I have image 1
00:47<linkslice>already burned
00:47<sidracer>100gb - windows, 100gb - gnome, 100gb - kde... correct?
00:48<linkslice>and the built-in cd check fails, but I don't have any more disks
00:48<nadir>that is what i would do. Mainly cause it is easy.
00:48<sidracer>that means my root and /home is on same partition each then
00:48<nadir>in that case: yes.
00:49<sidracer>i have an external drive 1tb formatted ext3... i use it for my data i access with my linux os... is that a potential issue?
00:49<sidracer>if i format/install squeeze, it's ext4, right?
00:49*nevyn wouldn't bother with seperate partitions for kde and gnome..
00:49<nadir>i think you can chose.
00:49<nevyn>but it's your call.
00:49<sidracer>i have lots of space left
00:50<nadir>backup.
00:50<sidracer>nevyn: why not?
00:50<nevyn>sidracer: because they're just a bunch of libraries.
00:50<sidracer>nevyn: oh
00:50<nadir>100 windows, 100 debian, 100 backukp.
00:50<sidracer>well, it can be temp. until i decide which one i think i'll use more
00:50<sidracer>than if theres' an app of the other, i can just install it or something?
00:51<nevyn>the reality is there are great apps...in both
00:51<nevyn>and gnome apps run fine on kde and kde apps run fine on gnome.
00:52<nadir>yes. no problems.
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00:52<sidracer>nevyn: oh
00:52<sidracer>okay
00:52<nadir>just go for it.
00:52<nadir>different people will tell you different things.
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00:52<sidracer>i guess it doesn't matter... maybe i should flip a coin
00:52<nadir>in the end it is you.
00:53<smv>linkslice, i'm not sure if you can use it as a netinstall, but i don't think so. those in #debian-boot might know exactly. i'd wait untill geting another CD or just use a USB stick instead.
00:53<sidracer>i won't put data on the os partition so i could change if i wanted
00:53<sidracer>i just didn't think it made sense to install both desktops but maybe that doesn't matter either
00:54<nadir>the menu gets a bit bloated.
00:54<nevyn>sidracer: all the simple apps are duplicated ksolitare vs gsolitare but the big apps like k3b and kdevelop vs openoffice are much more best of breed teritory
00:55<sidracer>nadir: yeah, that's an example of what i would like to avoid
00:56<sidracer>nevyn: my fav. apps are k3b, kaffeine, amarok... but, i also use openoffice... vlc...
00:56<sidracer>i don't know if there's any gnome apps i'd favor but rhythmbox has been suggested to me to try
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00:57<sidracer>not familiar with brasero but k3b is very good, imho
00:57<sney>brasero works well, as does xfburn
00:57<sidracer>never liked totem, for e.g.
00:58<sidracer>i haven't tried all those for a long time, though
00:58<sidracer>they've probably jumped several versions by now
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01:01<smv>rethorical question: what's to be liked on a movie player? you will mostly use it to watch movies in full screen...
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01:02<smv>s/rethorical/rhetorical
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01:04<nevyn>mplayer -ao alsa -vo xv -vf scale,zoom file.mpeg <-- my video player of choice.
01:06<sidracer>yeah, i started to like mplayer
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01:14<newbie>hallo
01:15<newbie>Can I upgrade etch to lenny using dvd?
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01:21<jm_>newbie: you have our permission
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01:29<newbie>Can I upgrade etch to lenny using dvd?
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01:34<black>hi there
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03:09<WormFood>When do we get a new "testing" branch? After squeeze is moved to "stable"?
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03:24<chealer>WormFood: I wouldn't call it "getting a new testing branch", but yes
03:24<WormFood>I suppose "fork" would be a better word to use in there somewhere
03:25<jm_>nothing like that really happens
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03:26<WormFood>I understand what is going on, and how things are working now (I was unsure of how things are moved/upgraded/etc)
03:27<Sebboh>I see that much of *.debian.org is down. Is there a mirror of cdimage.debian.org someplace?
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03:27<jm_>yes
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03:28<jm_>cdimage.debian.org seems to work fine here
03:30<Sebboh>130.239.18.163?
03:30<jm_>yup
03:31<Sebboh>I can't connect to www.debian.org, for that matter.
03:31<jm_>heh
03:32<Sebboh>sonofa.. lemme disable ipv6 and try again.
03:32<Sebboh>:)
03:34<Sebboh>.. nevermind, unrelated.
03:34<Sebboh>I can't access debian.org.
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03:40<Sebboh>The problem is at cogentco.. Just my luck.
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04:01<Sort_-R>When doing set | grep "^_" | grep "()" got bash functions beginning with _ What are these bash functions supposed to do ?
04:02<jm_>for completion
04:02<Sort_-R>oh tab thing
04:02<Sort_-R>?
04:02<jm_>yes
04:02<Sort_-R>Okey,
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04:03<Sort_-R>jm_: thanks.
04:03<jm_>Sort_-R: no worries
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05:01<k-man>how can i disable kms in the kernel? is it a module or do i have to recompile?
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05:02<jm_>k-man: you can pass kernel parameters
05:02<jm_>or module for that matter
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05:02<jm_>!kms
05:02<dpkg>[KMS] Kernel Mode Setting, where the initialization of graphical modes is performed by the Linux kernel instead of X. It is hardware dependent, introduced in Linux 2.6.29. Enabled via modprobe as of xserver-xorg-video-intel 2:2.9.1-2 and xserver-xorg-video-radeon 1:6.12.192-2. To disable, edit /etc/modprobe.d/{i915,radeon}-kms.conf or boot with the 'nomodeset' kernel command line parameter. http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModesetting
05:02<jm_>there
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05:05<k-man>jm_: thanks
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05:09<k-man>any idea which radeon driver might be best to get tv-out working?
05:10<jm_>not me, I used nvidia cards so far
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05:10<k-man>jm_: probably very sensible of you, because this radeon card is giving me the poos
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05:11<k-man>jm_: it is the card that came with this cheap dell pc i bought second hand
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05:13<jm_>k-man: did you try different radeon options?
05:13<k-man>jm_: yeah a few - baring in mind that this used to work until some update i did
05:13<k-man>not sure which update it was, either kernel or xorg, most likely xorg i thikn
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05:15<k-man>ooh, i think its working
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05:20<k-man>not sure if it was the addition of pal to xorg.conf or the disabling of kms
05:20<k-man>hmmm
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05:37<k-man>interesting, it seems its the kms that is preventing tv-out working
05:37<k-man>if i comment it off in modprobe, tv-out works fine
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05:44<k-man>i broke lirc by fiddling, now i want to revert to stock lirc, but i get this error: http://pastebin.ca/2006627
05:44<k-man>how can i force a clean and reinstall of it?
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05:47<jm_>did you check if lircd is running?
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05:49<k-man>jm_: damn you are good :)
05:49<jm_>k-man: not me, it told you -- lircd: there seems to already be a lircd process with pid 1536
05:50<k-man>i saw the FATALs and didn't read the next line
05:50<k-man>thanks again
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05:51<jm_>no worries
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06:02<k-man>cool, the lirc packages seem to work in squeeze these days
06:02<k-man>last time i tried, they were broken
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06:36<Prathibha>How to submit a bug in debian?
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06:36<Prathibha>How to submit a new package to debian?
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07:06<jm_>k-man: they are if you enable bootlog
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08:06<happyaron>Can we download debian mailing list's archive?
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08:10<zumbi>happyaron: what for?
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08:10<k-man>dpkg-reconfigure setserial has a autosave-once option, but it doesn't seem to work for me, in that after i autosave and reboot, the sttings have not been saved
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08:13<happyaron>zumbi: would like to read some archives locally
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08:31<happyaron>zumbi: is that possible?
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09:04<amakusa>hello, does anyone know what the difference between virtualbox-ose and oracle's virtual box is?
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09:06<mjr>iirc the non-free version has usb passthrough and some rdp/vnc/whatever stuff integrated
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09:08<amakusa>I see, thanks
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09:27<tyranossauro>alguem poderia me ajudar a com asterisk no debian?
09:27<tyranossauro>sou novado
09:27<tyranossauro>completamente
09:27<babilen>!es
09:27<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
09:28<babilen>tyranossauro: Or speak English in here :)
09:28<tyranossauro>no :(
09:28<tyranossauro>ok bay
09:30<tyranossauro>know which channel to support in Portuguese?
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09:31<@Ganneff>!pt
09:31<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
09:31<tyranossauro>thanks
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09:36<tyranossauro>someone who speak portuguese can help me, i hv some questions about how to create a asterisk server. (but i dont speak english)
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09:38<cahoot>!pt
09:38<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
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09:38<cahoot>sorry
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10:21<baris>hi
10:21<baris>I need to recover a usb storage media..Windows does not recognize it..
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10:22<cahoot>try testdisk/photorec
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10:38<SingAlong>using debian on a tablet. how do i make debian show up a partition as a disk drive when the tablet is connected to another comp via usb?
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10:41<tash>SingAlong: what table?
10:41<SingAlong>tash: tablet :)
10:41<tash>SingAlong: lol what tablet? :P typo
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10:42<babilen>tash: Does it matter?
10:42<SingAlong>tash: me and a friend are just trying to install debian on a cheap chinese tablet .
10:42<SingAlong>anyone?
10:43<tash>babilen: am just curious
10:43<babilen>SingAlong: You mean you want to mount HDDs from a desktop computer if you connect your tablet to it?
10:43<babilen>SingAlong: I guess it would be much easier to use an USB stick
10:44<SingAlong>babilen: nah. there's a 600mb partition on the tablet which i would like to show up as a storage media on the comp when connected.
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10:45<SingAlong>guess i over-explained it. in a simplified way, how do i make the tablet show up as a storage device on the comp when connected via usb?
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10:46<babilen>ok :) is it recognised as a storage device when you connect it? (check dmesg)
10:47<SingAlong>babilen: thats it?
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10:47<SingAlong>let me check
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10:48<mjr>you'll need USB_FILE_STORAGE and appropriate usb gadget drivers in kernel (or module) and configure that. Also, you'll need to unmount the partition from the tablet's filesystem while you provide it to the usb host.
10:49<SingAlong>mjr: thanks!
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11:09<SingAlong>mjr: can you please elaborate. I went on a googling spree and the only reliable resource I found was http://www.linux-usb.org/gadget/ any driver names? or docs you could point me to?
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11:16<AJC>Hi there, I had some problems with a new user created, when I try to execute some applications I get GTK warning can not open display, what do I have to do to avoid this?
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11:18<SingAlong>AJC: those apps need a display manager.
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11:19<SingAlong>AJC: you are trying to open them in commandline? (without starting a display manager right?)
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11:25<AJC>SingAlong : Yes, that's exaclty what I want to do
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11:26<AJC>I read some info via google but I do not want to run it as root
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11:30<SingAlong>AJC: start Xorg and then run the command
11:30<SingAlong>that might work
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11:41<cz8s>hi. is there a scriptable way to map an upgradeable package to the corresponding DSA ?
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11:42<cz8s>if I issue "apt-get -s upgrade", I see that $foo would be upgraded. But how can I tell _why_ $foo should be upgraded
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11:44<rpetre>cz8s: it should say in the changelog of the package
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11:44<ALLurGroceries>cz8s: maybe apt-listchanges is what you are looking for?
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11:45<cz8s>ALLurGroceries: nearly. I want the output of apt-listchanges, but before the upgrade is actually done. For example to tell customers what will change.
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11:48<ALLurGroceries>cz8s: you can always ctrl+c out of an upgrade after you read the changes... since it needs to download the debs first I guess it's not exactly what you want. I'm not sure if there's another tool that just scrapes the changelogs.
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11:55<bighornram>what file contains the CONFIG_SYSFS_DEPRECATED=y that needs to be edited to n?
11:55<rpetre>cz8s: or you can try to move apt-listchanges in a different hook than DPkg::Pre-Install-Pkgs , as it is by default (i'm not too familiar with these, but i expect this should be possible)
11:55<rpetre>bighornram: the kernel config
11:55<cz8s>rpetre: nice idea. will try
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11:58<rpetre>cz8s: i'd look for whatever hooks execute on aptitude -d
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11:59<bighornram>I am getting the update the kernel or disable CONFIG_SYSFS_DEPRECATED message and can only boot the #. All I'm finding on google is to edit the line to "n". I guess the kernel didn't upgrade? Can I get this system to boot so I can upgrade or is it hosed?
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12:00<babilen>bighornram: Could you paste that message. I don't know every single error message in Linux by heart
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12:01<babilen>bighornram: Please also provide more details about the circumstances/actions that cause the error.
12:01<bighornram>babilen: one moment I'll get it.
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12:08<bighornram>babilen: udevd[348] udev: missing sysfs features; please update the kernel or disable the kernels CONFIG_SYSFS_DEPRECIATED option: udev may fail to work correctly.
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12:09<bighornram>babilen: the system won't boot unless I go to safe and get the # prompt
12:10<babilen>bighornram: Which kernel and udev version do you use? Have you tried to upgrade your kernel as suggested in the error message?
12:10<bighornram>babilen: kernel is 2.6.26-1-486
12:11<bighornram>babilen: I want to upgrade but can't get booted.
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12:11<cz8s>rpetre: Its Bug #434987 :-) And it suggests to use apticron for that. apt-listchanges -f text /var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb gives me all I need. thank for the pointer again
12:13<babilen>bighornram: Boot into safe mode. What is your udev version? What have you done prior to this error?
12:13<zl0ty>anyone can recommend me good linux games?
12:13<zl0ty>i know nexuiz and alien arena
12:14<zl0ty>but alien arena doesnt look good for me
12:14<zl0ty>nexuiz is downloading now
12:14<zl0ty>any more with good graphics?
12:14<zl0ty>warsow, as i remember, didnt suite me
12:14<zl0ty>any help?
12:15<babilen>!enter
12:15<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
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12:18<f8l>zl0ty: I don't think graphics is the main concern in Linux games...
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12:20<zl0ty>maybe, i can play console tetris as well, but my questions was different :)
12:21<zl0ty>i cant find any good top 10 with games, so i ask
12:21<zl0ty>and i mean free games
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12:23<ALLurGroceries>zl0ty: urban terror is free as in beer... has decent graphics. it's closed source and has no debian package though.
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12:24<zl0ty>i read that it aims in reality, but i saw in youtube movie, that guy was running and shooting, killing everyoune... then even good old cs is better
12:25<zl0ty>but thanks
12:25<bighornram>babilen: udev version is 149-1
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12:26<bighornram>babilen: this is an older box. It was a lenny updated to squeeze.
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12:41<dupondje>PHP Warning: Unknown: open_basedir restriction in effect. File(/var/www/index.php) is not within the allowed path(s): (/var/www/:/tmp/) in Unknown on line 0 => Whats wrong with the open_basedir? Should be working no ?
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12:43<dupondje>nvm
12:43<dupondje>http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=605391
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12:47<bighornram>babilen: far too much trouble fixing this box, will just format and do a clean install. :(
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12:51<PovAddict>hi
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12:52<PovAddict>I installed the nvidia driver from nvidia.com's .run script, because the latest driver in Debian apparently doesn't support my card
12:52<bja>low
12:52<PovAddict>however, I forgot to uninstall the Debian package first(!), so now there are files owned by the package that were modified (debsums complains)
12:53<bja>PovAddict: rm -rf / and start all over again ;P
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12:54<PovAddict>the debian package already shows as upgradeable, if I accidentally upgrade it, it will overwrite the files installed by the .run and make a mess
12:54<PovAddict>if I remove the package, it will remove the files installed by the .run and make a mess
12:54<PovAddict>what do I do? (other than bja's suggestion :P)
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12:55<bja>PovAddict: you can allways pinn the package not to upgrade at all
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12:55<themill>PovAddict: if you feel like having more fun, you could edit the list of files that dpkg thinks are part of the package and then remove it.
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12:56*themill only suggests this because he knows that PovAddict likes to live dangerously and that he gets to keep both bits should it break
12:57*bja hands PovAddict some duct tape just in case
12:57<PovAddict>heh
12:58<themill>PovAddict: either that or dpkg -r it and then re-run the nvidia installer. That has more of a chance of working. But isn't the newest nvidia in experimental anyway?
12:58<PovAddict>apt-cache policy doesn't mention experimental at all
12:58*PovAddict checks p.d.o website
12:59<PovAddict>huh
12:59<PovAddict>"experimental: 260.19.21-1: amd64"
12:59*PovAddict kicks apt-cache
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13:00<themill>,versions nvidia-glx
13:00<judd>Package nvidia-glx on i386 -- etch/non-free: 1.0.8776-4; lenny/non-free: 173.14.09-5; sid/non-free: 195.36.31-6; squeeze/non-free: 195.36.31-6; experimental/non-free: 256.53-2
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13:00<PovAddict>aha! I'm only getting 'main' from experimental
13:00<themill>,versions nvidia-glx --arch amd64
13:00<judd>Package nvidia-glx on amd64 -- etch/non-free: 1.0.8776-4; lenny/non-free: 173.14.09-5; sid/non-free: 195.36.31-6; squeeze/non-free: 195.36.31-6; experimental/non-free: 260.19.21-1
13:00<themill>interesting version skew
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13:01<bossekr>hi folks; I've updated network-manager 0.8.1-4 and my /etc/network/interfaces DHCP setup is disabled by network-manager.postinst -- what is the best practice in debian to setup an eth0 as DHCP client ?
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13:01<bja>!tell bossekr about interfaces
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13:06<bossekr>bja, sorry but you are not upto date check /usr/share/doc/network-manager/changelog.Debian.gz for 0.8.1-4 and you will see that DHCP support is disabled in /etc/network/interfaces by network-manager.postinst
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13:07<themill>bossekr: if you want to use networkmanager then you should use it. If you do not, then you should uninstall it.
13:08<themill>(and after uninstalling it, configure your network correctly in /etc/network/interfaces)
13:08<bossekr>themill, ok I'll uninstall network-manager right now
13:08<bja>bossekr: hmm well i think that was one of the many reasons i had to finally ditch it long ago
13:09<bossekr>bja, thx I will try without network-manager but have to leave IRC now
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13:19<slipshot>anyone got an intel i-series processor with an h55 chipset?
13:19<Torsten_W>how is it of interst?
13:20<slipshot>i have one one the way and was wanting to put squeeze on it. i was wanting to know if i would have to upgrade the kernel?
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13:22<slipshot>http://doityourselfhtpc.wordpress.com/2010/09/09/intel-core-i3-h264-gpu-acceleration-using-ubuntu-and-xbmc/ <--- i was reading that is why i ask. it is for ubuntu but the kernel is the same one squeeze uses
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13:23<slipshot>that is the exact processor and chipset i have on the way
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13:24<Quantum_Ion>Is Ubuntu included in this channel ?
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13:24<Hydroxide>Quantum_Ion: no. Please go to #ubuntu on irc.ubuntu.com aka freenode
13:24<Hydroxide>Quantum_Ion: for help with ubuntu, thta is
13:24<PovAddict>!ubuntu
13:24<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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13:25<Quantum_Ion>Hydroxide, lol thanks
13:25<Hydroxide>np
13:25<chris__>hi can you speak german?
13:25<Hydroxide>!de
13:25<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
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13:27<slipshot>i dont need help with ubuntu. the version of ubuntu they are talkin about in that article uses the same kernel as squeeze. thats why i was wondering if i would have to upgrade the kernel to get full gpu acceleration and all my audio channels to work
13:28<PovAddict>slipshot: we were answering Quantum_Ion, not you
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13:28<PovAddict>your problem seems clear; I don't know the answer though :P
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13:29<slipshot>oh ok my bad
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13:41<andy>Hello, enybody help me. How to copy files to folder /usr?
13:42<PovAddict>erm
13:42<PovAddict>don't?
13:42<retrospectacus>andy, what are you trying to do?
13:42<andy>by root pass?
13:42<PovAddict>http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#goal
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13:43<andy>need copy files to folder /usr/local/etc
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13:43<andy>how copy?
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13:44<retrospectacus>andy: well, with the cp command, but it sound's like you're trying to do something the wrong way
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13:45<ALLurGroceries>slipshot: you will need a kernel later than 2.6.35 for h262 decoding, and libdrm 2.4.21-1 or later, earlier kernels do not support it
13:45<andy>I m very bad speak english)))
13:45<retrospectacus>andy: what are you trying to do?
13:45<andy>may be link?
13:45<retrospectacus>andy: explain your goal
13:46<retrospectacus>andy: you didn't wake up this morning and think "I need to copy files to /usr/local/etc"
13:46<andy>I need copy files to /usr/local/etc - blocked processed
13:46<slipshot>ALLurGroceries, ok guess im going to have to compile a kernel or borrow one out of a repo somewhere
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13:47<andy>how to use name root in Ubuntu
13:47<retrospectacus>andy: we can't help you
13:47<andy>ок)))
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13:49<slipshot>wonder if i could borrow the kernel from the sidux (now known as aptosid) repo?
13:49*slipshot hates compiling kernels
13:49<EmleyMoor>I'm trying to get autofs5 working on my latest box, to mount NFS systems, but it's not populating /net in the way I would expect
13:50<EmleyMoor>Is there something special I should do in squeeze to make it work?
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14:03<raph_ael_>hi, after each updates of networkmanager, it never gets network, only reboot works, is there a way to prevent this ?
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14:04<smv>raph_ael_, did you change it's config and set managed=true?
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14:05<raph_ael_>smv: i didn't touch anything, in facts it works just breaks after apt-get upgrades
14:05<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... won't let me use the host name if it doesn't symmetrically resolve it seems
14:05<retrospectacus>raph_ael_, I think there is a thing in /etc/init.d/ you can restart
14:06<retrospectacus>raph_ael_, perhaps /etc/init.d/networkmanager-common restart
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14:06<raph_ael_>retrospectacus: it doesn't do anything, even rmmod and modprobe doesn't work
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14:07<smv>i never had any problems with it, beside the fact tat i had to edit /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf to set managed=true. if not, some apps, like empathy and evolution won't work properly
14:07<whirl>umm can somebody tell me if this is safe to use? http://mozilla.debian.net/packages/
14:07<raph_ael_>smv: thanks, i'll try it
14:08<whirl>It would be the easiest way to try that 4beta
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14:11<smv>whirl, how safe do you want it to be? because i'm paranoid, i'd use a sandbox, get the key, see who else signed it, look into the source and then might see if it's safe or not. but i don't use any of the mozilla apps.
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14:14<whirl>yeah thought so too but this is where I got it https://nomo17k.wordpress.com/2010/11/22/installing-firefox-4-beta-on-debian-squeeze/
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14:16<retrospectacus>the SSL cert on https://mozilla.debian.net is for "alioth.debian.org"
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14:16<retrospectacus>if that encourages or discourages you
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14:17<raph_ael_>smv: unfortunately it didn't work :)
14:17<raph_ael_>smv: retrospectacus : thanks for your help
14:18<whirl>retrospectacus smv damn, wouldnt know
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14:19<Mell>SHEILA
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14:19<EmleyMoor>Oh, silly me! Hadn't permitted 192.168.1.0/24 to access portmapper on the server
14:21<EmleyMoor>(I will be reducing to just that, in the interests of security, when I get rid of my last single-ethernet server
14:21<EmleyMoor>)
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14:24<bodai>hi there.I need tcl/tk 8.6 so installed tcl8.6 and tk8.6 but when I try to compile amsn latest got error that I got tcl/tk 8.4.what is wrong?
14:25<Edo_>i have one qouestion ?
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14:25<Edo_>i have problem with debian lenny net install
14:25<Edo_>i downloaded all packages
14:25<Torsten_W>bodai, are you sure, you have the dev-packages installed?
14:25<Edo_>to retrieving file 803 of 803 and evrething stoped
14:26<bodai>yes
14:26<max_>hola
14:26<bodai>installed tcl and tk 8.6 and the dev packages too
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14:26<bodai>I use squeeze
14:26<Edo_>anybody one idea?
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14:27<bodai>Edo I think that something is wrong with the mirror,try another
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14:27<Edo_>thanks
14:28<Edo_>net install download all packages but will not install
14:28<Edo_>retrieving file 803 of 803 and stoped
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14:28<Edo_>i will try another mirror
14:28<Edo_>tnanks
14:29<bodai>you are welcome
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14:29<phap>hello world
14:29<bodai>well,any Idea what's wrong with tcl/tk?
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14:31<bodai>how to tell to the system that I got the latest tcl/tk?
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14:33<retrospectacus>bodai, aptitude purge tk8.4 etc
14:34<retrospectacus>or perhaps there is a switch you can put on your configure to use the other version, if you are needing to have both versions installed
14:34<max_>hi
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14:36<retrospectacus>sup max_
14:36<varun>helo
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14:37<varun>im out
14:37<varun>getting bored in this nodes
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14:39<PovAddict>I ran nvidia-uninstall, then removed all remaining debian packages, and installed them again from experimental; everything working fine
14:39<PovAddict>seems bja and themill both quit though :P
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14:44<ani>No LSB modules are available getting in lsb_release -a
14:44<bodai_>how is it possible to tell to the system that got tcl/tk 8.6?
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14:45<ani>update-alternatives may be bodai_
14:46<bodai_>thank you
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14:48<dupondje>Is http://ftp-master.debian.org/new.html the place where to find newest newest packages? Waiting for a PHP5 upgrade
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14:59<bodai_>it is interesting that got installed tcl/tk8.6 but when I try to compile amsn latest it tells me that I got tcl/tk8.4.what is wrong?
14:59<chealer>dupondje: more or less. the archive can have newer packages.
15:00<dupondje>archive ?
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15:01<TheOne2>!volatile squeeze
15:01<dpkg>Debian Volatile aims to keep the <stable> and <oldstable> distributions up to date for fast moving packages such as virus scanners, spam scanners and firmware downloaders. http://www.debian.org/volatile/ From squeeze onwards, these packages are on your regular mirror, e.g. your squeeze sources.list could have: "deb http://ftp.CC.debian.org/debian squeeze-updates main contrib non-free" where CC is your country code.
15:01<ani>bodai_ update-alternatives --config <name>
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15:02<dupondje>thans TheOne2
15:03<TheOne2>Oo
15:03<dupondje>guess I'll have to wait a bit (http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=605391)
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15:03<chealer>bodai_: nothing? you can have several versions
15:03<bodai_>no alternatives
15:04<bodai_>how is it possible to tell for aptitude to download tcl and tk 8.6?
15:04<bodai_>because it downloads only 8.4
15:05<bodai_>but in the mirror I seen there are 8.6
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15:09<f8l>bodai_: `Something like apt-get install tk=8.6`, but insert a real version there.
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15:12<bodai_>nothing happens
15:12<bodai_>:(
15:12<bodai_>0 to download
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15:15*zedboy tries wondershaper
15:15<bodai_>or is it possible to change something in the /etc/apt/sources.list to download the latest versions?I use squeeze
15:16<f8l>bodai_: Have you replaced the version number?
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15:16<zedboy>bodai_: it always downloads the latest version of whatever release you tell it you want (in sources.list)
15:17<f8l>zedboy: Not always. Stable box will not fetch unstable packages by default IIRC.
15:17<retrospectacus>bodai_, /msg dpkg tum
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15:17<Jim>hi everybody
15:17<zedboy>f8l: right. because you told it to be stable
15:18<retrospectacus>dammit Jim, hi
15:19<Jim>I have a small question about how to properly remove a eSATA disk on my Debian Lenny
15:19<Jim>I tried hdparm without success
15:19<Jim>I also tried sg_start
15:19<Jim>does not work
15:19<Jim>any suggestion ?
15:20<retrospectacus>step on the drive and kick the cable
15:21<Jim>indeed ...
15:21<Jim>but not really proper
15:21<Jim>I want to be kind with my controller
15:21<Jim>:-)
15:22<retrospectacus>right-click the drive in "Computer" and choose "eject" or something, isn't it?
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15:23<Jim>I read something about trying to eject SATA disk ...
15:24<zedboy>Jim: isn't all you have to do unmount it?
15:24<Jim>I ejected it (hard resetting link) but my system automatically rescaned it
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15:24<zedboy>Jim: that's what works with usb
15:24<Jim>that's what I read some times ago ...
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15:25<Jim>umounting SATA disk does not send commands to advice ctrller to shut it down
15:25<zedboy>Jim: yeah just makes sure there's nothing in the cache
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15:26<Jim>I admit it will flush caches and allow to remove it but I do not find it really proper
15:26<Torsten_W>sata is hotswap
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15:26<zedboy>Jim: I think the physical drive will survive the sudden power-down just fine. The external USB ones do.
15:26<Torsten_W>so unmount it, and remove it
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15:27<Jim>that's what I did (umount it and remve it) but, if there is a possibility to do it properly, I prefer to do it.
15:27<Jim>If there is no other way, I will keep this one
15:27<retrospectacus>I do this with internal SATA too, it's no problem
15:28<jhutchins_lt>So we know that if your goal is to run the absolute latest, bleeding-edge, don't-care-what-it-breaks packages, Debian stable is not your distro,
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15:28<jhutchins_lt>What is?
15:28<retrospectacus>there may be a way to tell the sata controller driver to power off the drive
15:29<Jim>that's what I am looking for
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15:30<retrospectacus>jhutchins_lt: linux from scratch, download latest sources of everything, compile everything yourself, keep a lot of duck tape on hand
15:31<retrospectacus>Jim, I guess we don't know... google some more or maybe ask in #hardware or #linux on freenode
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15:32<jhutchins_lt>Yeah, that's the kind of thing you'll find in developer forums.
15:32<Jim>Thank you, retrospectacus. I will try there too
15:33<zedboy>jhutchins_lt: sid
15:33<jhutchins_lt>zedboy: Fall back to the previous update.
15:34<Jim>I started first here because I found a lot of tools in Debian to manage disk (hdparm, sg3_tools, scsitools, scsiadd, lsscsi) but none of them do what I want to do
15:34<Jim>anyway, thank you for the quick answers
15:34<Jim>to all of you
15:34<jhutchins_lt>zedboy: Sorry, different conversation. I think even sid is behind what some people expect.
15:34<zedboy>jhutchins_lt: sorry, not getting it :-) you want bleeding edge ... and you're not happy with debian stable. That's like saying, "I like it cold, and this Florida place sucks"
15:35<jhutchins_lt>zedboy: Yeah, not a bad analogy. Applies further north, I HATE the Missouri climate, grew up in New York.
15:35<jhutchins_lt>I'm just kindof wondering what we should tell these people who say "all these packages are old".
15:36<bremner>jhutchins_lt: tell them that patches for RC bugs are welcome
15:36<zedboy>jhutchins_lt: people who are already running unstable?
15:36<jhutchins_lt>"My version number is higher than yours is".
15:36<zedboy>jhutchins_lt: yeah, like bremner said. If it ain't RC you may not care, but if it is, it don't work :-)
15:36<jhutchins_lt>LFS and pull everything from CVS.
15:37<zedboy>jhutchins_lt: right. and not practical for those with actual work to do :)
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15:38<jhutchins_lt>I do understand and appreciate the advantages of Debian, just wondering what to say to those convinced that the bigger version number will compensate for their other inadequacies.
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15:39<zedboy>jhutchins_lt: anyone who has actual work to do will appreciate it. silly people don't matter :)
15:39<jhutchins_lt>I agree that they're pretty much inconsequential.
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15:40<edbian>How can I get sun-java6-jre installed on my Debian Lenny system? The package isn't real.
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15:42<zedboy>WOOT
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15:42<retrospectacus>edbian: please ask a useful question, like "I tried to apt-get install sun-java6-jre and this happened: http://pastebin.com/v898ef"
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15:44<edbian>retrospectacus, I tried to sudo aptitude install sun-java6-jre but that isn't a real package. I have now found openjdk-6-jre. Thank you though
15:44<edbian>retrospectacus, I apologize for being vague
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15:44<retrospectacus>edbian: it is a real package. it's in non-free
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15:44<edbian>retrospectacus, oh, my mistake
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16:38<sidracer>hello, can I boot debian off one drive and another OS on another drive using grub2 to manage the booting?
16:38<sidracer>for e.g., windows on one drive and debian on other drive.... grub2 can manage booting in this configuration?
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16:39<Nemoder>sidracer: yes, although some versions of windows insist on being the primary drive
16:41<sidracer>Nemoder: it would be XP Pro
16:41<sidracer>would this be a complicated configuration setup?
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16:42<Nemoder>it should work fine, but install windows first otherwise it will overwrite grub
16:42<sidracer>i don't know how grub2 handles it.... i think grub legacy had a way of mapping or chainloading another drive
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16:43<sidracer>but, how? both drives connected or have just 'windows drive' connected first and install?
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16:43<Nemoder>both connected is fine
16:43<sidracer>mb has 6 SATA ports......
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16:43<sidracer>oh...
16:43<sidracer>I just pick which drive to install to from windows?
16:43<Nemoder>yes, and then the same from debian
16:43<sidracer>haven't done it this way before so I'm not sure how to
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16:45<sidracer>well, at least the drives are different capacities so I shouldn't get confused
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16:46<jhutchins_lt>sidracer: Any of the linux bootloaders can handle that.
16:46<sidracer>windows won't automatically try to format/install to certain one?
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16:46<Nemoder>I don't think it's an issue with SATA anymore
16:46<jhutchins_lt>sidracer: Yeah, Windows will go for the first drive every time.
16:46<sidracer>jhutchins_lt: I thought so
16:47<jhutchins_lt>sidracer: However, if it's already formatted, especially to an alien filesystem, it'll skip it.
16:47<sidracer>jhutchins_lt: then I guess I should configure so one i want with windows is considered first drive
16:47<sidracer>?
16:47<jhutchins_lt>Best to, yes.
16:47<jhutchins_lt>sidracer: Best to install Windows first as well.
16:47<sidracer>jhutchins_lt: well, I thought maybe both drives should have at least one windows partition for bios updates or whatever
16:47<jhutchins_lt>Nah.
16:48<jhutchins_lt>I do my bios updates off of a flash drive.
16:48<sidracer>jhutchins_lt: nah? okay, so one drive i can install just linux and be just fine?
16:48<jhutchins_lt>Sure.
16:48<sidracer>jhutchins_lt: ah, good idea
16:48<sidracer>if it works ;)
16:48<jhutchins_lt>sidracer: I haven't had a bootable Windows system since ~2004.
16:48<Nemoder>sidracer: whichever drive your bios is set to boot from first you should install windows on, when you install debian on the other drive it will write grub to the MBR of the first drive
16:49<sidracer>okay, that sounds better... I've usually done a typical multi-boot/dual-boot system
16:49<sidracer>it's annoying ;)
16:49<sidracer>Nemoder: that's confusing... if first drive has windows... where would grub go?
16:50<Nemoder>grub overwrites the windows MBR (512 bytes, not part of partition)
16:50<sidracer>jhutchins_lt: i need windows because i temporarily use it and friends/family use it so ask me stuff
16:50<jhutchins_lt>sidracer: On the Windows drive.
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16:50<Nemoder>but of course grub itself will let you choose which os to boot
16:50<jhutchins_lt>sidracer: It replaces the Windows MBR and chainloads the next stage of the Windows boot process (when booting windows).
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16:51<sidracer>oh... but, i still have access to grub if i need to right? grub2 now has a grub.cfg file or something instead of menu.lst now?
16:51<sidracer>oh, okay
16:51<sidracer>sounds a bit complicated but i think i get it
16:52<jhutchins_lt>sidracer: You replace the Windows bootloader which has limited menuing capability (MS Systems Only) with the Linux bootloader. It actually takes over the initial part of the Windows boot sequence.
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16:52<Nemoder>it is technically complicated but it's really easy to setup :)
16:52<sidracer>but, maybe, overall, a better system than having a mix on drives
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16:52<sidracer>Nemoder: agreed
16:52<Nemoder>just make sure to have a rescue CD handy in case you ever swap drives so you can fix grub if needed
16:53<jhutchins_lt>sidracer: If you have a BIOS that lets you choose the boot drive you can use that for your menu and have pure, complete, and separate systems on separate drives.
16:53<sidracer>I just need to access the current drives to make sure i have saved any data i still need
16:53<sidracer>will be a bit tricky because there's currently nowhere to put it ;)
16:53<sidracer>jhutchins_lt: it's an intel p35 gigabyte mb... i think it has such a BIOS
16:54<sidracer>i have a windows/linux system on another drive but can't currently boot it... obviously, not seen as primary drive but linux on the other drive 'sees it'
16:54<sidracer>gparted 'recognizes/detects it'
16:54<Nemoder>that is another option, but you'ld have to go into the bios to change it every time you want to boot the other system, unless it has one of those quickboot menus
16:55<sidracer>Nemoder: oh, maybe i have to do that to access the other drive?
16:55<sidracer>i'm not sure i'd prefer that method but it's interesting
16:55<Nemoder>no, grub can do it, but it's an option
16:56<sidracer>how come i can't boot my other drive? the only way i have before is disconnected the current drive.... then i can boot 2nd drive
16:56<sidracer>is it because of bios settings?
16:56<sidracer>i guess i should look in my bios
16:57<sidracer>i have not used it for a while so the linux distros in it are probably old... maybe etch is on it by now ;)
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16:57<sidracer>but, i wanted to check it out before a new format
16:58<sidracer>i hate re-installing windoze but i'm not sure i want to image the current install and transfer and all that ;)
16:58<sidracer>boohoo :( :-D
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16:59<sidracer>thanks for the info, guys! you guys are awesome to help... wasn't sure the channel was active today ;D
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16:59<Nemoder>you dont have to reinstall windows, just hook up the other drive and boot the debian install disc
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17:00<sidracer>oh yeah, that's an idea... to leave the windows as is... and resize the partitions to ntfs! :)
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17:00<sidracer>but, my other drive is a lot slower if i choose it to be the linux one... let me explain briefly
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17:00<sidracer>drives, 320gb (faster/newer one) although not fast for today and 500gb (a bit slower)
17:01<Nemoder>drive speed might not be a big deal on debian since if you have enough ram it doesn't swap so aggresively as windows
17:01<sidracer>500gb has old configuration ...not booting yet... unless i disconnect the 320gb HDD
17:01<jhutchins_lt2>Grub's easier.
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17:01<sidracer>Nemoder: good point!
17:02<sidracer>i want to use virtualbox and try it ... the 500gb drive i would prefer for that project
17:02<sidracer>the windows i'm using is on the 320gb drive
17:02<sidracer>i have 4gb of RAM
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17:03<Nemoder>I have 4gb of ram and i rarely use more than half of that even with all my browsers and games going :)
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17:03<sidracer>it's good enough for virtualbox? you guys ever use vbox?
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17:04<sidracer>i was concerned the 500gb drive would be a bit slow compared to the other drive...but, maybe it's good enough
17:04<sidracer>i need a storage drive for windows/ntfs so i wasn't sure what to do about that...get another 500gb and use the slow drive for storage or get a 1tb or 2tb
17:05<Nemoder>I have not used virtualbox, my understanding was it uses custom kernel modules that I didn't want to load. I have used qemu though and it works great.
17:05<sidracer>i have a 1tb drive right now formated ext3 with files i copied from linux
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17:05<sidracer>it is okay though that it's ext3? i think debian is now using ext4, right?
17:06<Nemoder>you can use any filesystem you like
17:06<sidracer>i have lots of room left... about 800gb or whatever
17:06<sidracer>Nemoder: i mean, if one drive is ext3 with data but the linux os is using ext4 system... doesn't matter, right?
17:07<Nemoder>not a problem
17:07<sidracer>there's no incompatibilities
17:07<sidracer>ok, good, thnx
17:07<Nemoder>no, you can even read and write ntfs from debian if you need to
17:07<jhutchins_lt2>Well, windows doesn't read ext filesystems natively, but Linux does NTFS just fine so...
17:07<sidracer>right... i think ntfs-3g is great... never had a problem
17:08<sidracer>i have to leave for a bit...1/2 hr...i'll be back though...
17:08<jhutchins_lt2>I've never had a problem going back to the original ntfs drivers with NT4, but the very small number of problems people did have were catastrophic.
17:08<sidracer>your info/feedback is great...thanks
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17:09<sidracer>jhutchins_lt2: yeah, heard that...some ppl don't trust it... don't want to risk even though ntfs-3g seems pretty stable and working
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17:09<Nemoder>yeah it seems to be safest writing to ntfs if you dont delete directories, though i haven't had problems with that either
17:10<jhutchins_lt2>The deal was that there were some very rare variations of NTFS that had problems, and the symptom was when you wrote to a file either the file was destroyed or the whole filesystem was destroyed.
17:10<jhutchins_lt2> Catastrophic indicators are a bear.
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17:54<MatDA20972>Mattard ?
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18:29<pkrzywicki>hi
18:29<dakota>Hello, just had a few questions...
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18:30<pkrzywicki>anyone knows any soft which will allow me to convert avi on-the-fly
18:30<pkrzywicki>I just want to stream my movies trough web
18:30<dakota>I am compiling a modified game , which I currently have an unmodified copy installed, and would like to install the modified one alongside the um-modified one.
18:31<k-man>i think there is a bug in setserial where it does not correctly remember the state of the serial ports
18:31<k-man>in squeeze
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18:36<jhutchins_lt>k-man: You expect it to remember the state through a reboot?
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18:37<Feets>How can I install the same 2 apps side by side without overwriting the first?
18:38<k-man>jhutchins_lt: yes, if you do a dpkg-reconfigure setserial, you can set it to always save state
18:38<k-man>jhutchins_lt: but it does not do it as expected
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18:38<jhutchins_lt>k-man: Ah. Is there a bugreport?
18:38<abrotman>Feets: are they debian packages?
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18:38<Feets>yes
18:38<abrotman>Feets: which packages are they?
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18:38<Feets>one I compiled on my system and the other is a package.
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18:40<dakota>NICK Feets
18:40<dakota>Ok, sorry my client is acting weird.
18:40<dakota>As I was saying I need to install 2 of the same pacakges in debian..
18:41<abrotman>what are they?
18:41<dakota>BZflag, one is modifed but is the same version....
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18:43<dakota_>Geez my client keeps droping the connection..
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18:44<abrotman>or your internet sucks?
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18:44<dakota__>abrotman: there both Bzfalg clients
18:45<dakota__>abrotman: there the same version, but one is un-modified and one is modified.
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18:55<k-man>jhutchins_lt: can't see one
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18:56<jhutchins_lt>k-man: Some people get a real thrill out of first post <grin>
18:57<k-man>jhutchins_lt: yeah, ill see if i can reproduce it and do a bug report
18:58<k-man>jhutchins_lt: in fact, i read some old bug reports that sounded the same
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19:03<dakota>Does anyone know how to install two instances of a package on debian?
19:04<Nemoder>you would have to completely rebuild everything so that no files overlapped. you would do better to just install a modified version in your home directory
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19:11<dakota_>I need to install to of the same packages any ideas?
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19:11<themill>dakota_: you can't. You'd be better off fixing your internet connection.
19:13<abrotman>crazy talk
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19:15<dakota_>Is there a way to run the app in a seperate folder , I dont need an icon in the menu or anything...
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19:17<k-man>where can i find doco on the syntax of /etc/courier/imapd.cnf?
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19:21<k-man>is there some way to get my ssl certificates properly signed without having to pay money?
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19:28<retrospectacus>k-man, startssl.com has free signed certs
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19:31<k-man>is it possible to make postfix and courier-imap use the same ssl cert? is that even a good idea?
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19:38<retrospectacus>k-man: yes, yes
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19:40<retrospectacus>it's reasonable to use the same cert for all services on a single named server
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19:42<k-man>retrospectacus: ok, ill try and work out how to do that
19:42<abrotman>retrospectacus: i didn't think IE accepted those without whining ?
19:43<retrospectacus>well I don't have IE of course but... I believe they are OK
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19:48<retrospectacus>disclaimer: I haven't tried their free certs on my own servers, I've just heard (read) that they do work
19:48<k-man>so can i just point my courier-imap-ssl TLS_CERTFILE=/etc/courier/imapd.pem to my new certificate in /etc/postfix/ssl/key-cert.pem
19:49<retrospectacus>k-man: makes sense, TIAS
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19:52<k-man>retrospectacus: it seems to work, except now i can't send from TB
19:53<k-man>oh yes i can, tb was slow in asking me to confirm security exception
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19:56<BADJ>ello, im new to ubuntu and im tryin to get goin with PHP using apache and geany, however when i save a php file in geany i cant move it to apache www folder, problem with root permissions and such.. anyone who knows what to do? :p
19:56<BADJ>help would be muuuch apprechiated! im stuck :S
19:56<k-man>BADJ: /j #ubuntu
19:57<BADJ>ty
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19:57<BADJ>3 ppl :/
19:57<BADJ>actually 2 was one dupe haha
19:57<k-man>BADJ: reinstall debian then
19:57<k-man>err. reinstall with debian instead i mean
19:57<themill>BADJ: on irc.freenode.net
19:58<BADJ>thx themill
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19:58<k-man>i just dont understand why people even install ubuntu
19:59<abrotman>nor do we care?
20:00<k-man>no....
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20:00<k-man>but even a friend of mine, who studied comp.eng with me, installed it, i can't fathom why, he asks me for support on it and i'm like, its ubuntu, you should have installed debian
20:01<k-man>its like ubuntu caused a schism
20:01*themill points towards #debian-offtopic
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20:01<themill>Guest1100, mupo: please play elsewhere.
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20:18<k-man>i'm setting up a truecrypt volume, what sort of encryption shuold i use? AES?
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20:21<tempakul>hi everybody
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20:23<retrospectacus>what up, tempakul?
20:24<tempakul>Could you help me please :)
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20:29<tempakul>Can I upgrade etch to lenny offline using debian dvd ?
20:30<Pubic_Dreads>Sure
20:30<tempakul>:)
20:30<Pubic_Dreads>Burn all of them then add them to the synaptic sources list
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20:30<tempakul>How?
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20:31<Pubic_Dreads>You should see a menu for adding cds in the repository list
20:31<abrotman>apt-cdrom
20:33<tempakul>I already have etch cdrom list in my current synaptic source list
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20:35<Pubic_Dreads>do the apt-cdrom command
20:35<Pubic_Dreads>man apt-cdrom or apt-cdrom --help
20:35<Pubic_Dreads>DVDs will be added to the list
20:36<tempakul>I already have etch cdrom list in my current synaptic source list. Do I have to remove and replace it with new dvd list?
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20:37<abrotman>just try running apt-cdrom
20:37<Pubic_Dreads>How many and which DVDs do you have?
20:37<Pubic_Dreads>yeah as he said
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20:37<Pubic_Dreads>apt-cdrom add
20:37<Pubic_Dreads>open tray
20:37<Pubic_Dreads>put in dvd
20:37<Pubic_Dreads>voila
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20:38<abrotman>if he just runs 'apt-cdrom' it will be an ncurses interface
20:38<Pubic_Dreads>hmmm, never thought of that
20:39<Pubic_Dreads>Say, anyone here running debian on a sparc64 system or trying to besides myself?
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20:40<abrotman>there's a #debian-s .. nevermind
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20:40<tempakul>I have five debian lenny dvd
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20:48<tempakul>Thank's a lot everybody, I'll take a try. And come again if I have any question :)
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21:43<fknot>anyone talking about something interesting?
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22:10<amakusa>hello, does anyone know where can I find some info, Im trying to write a script that autoruns when I enter my username and password
22:11<dondelelcaro>amakusa: depends how you're loging in
22:11<dondelelcaro>amakusa: what are you trying to do?
22:12<amakusa>and I got no clue on how to make it autoexecutable
22:12<dondelelcaro>amakusa: there are different methods depending on how you're logging in
22:12<abrotman>enter it where?
22:12<amakusa>dondelelcaro: I log in with no graphical interfase
22:13<amakusa>dondelelcaro, I'm trying to write a script that loads packages I want to have executed like the network manager
22:14<f8l>amakusa: Then it depends on the shell you use.
22:14<abrotman>amakusa: have you written and tested your script ?
22:14<amakusa>abrotman at log in during startup
22:15<amakusa>abrotman, yes, it works, it's a simple script, I just want it to autorun as soon as I log in
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22:16<abrotman>and what is your login shell? bash?zsh?
22:17<amakusa>not really sure, how can I tell?
22:17<dondelelcaro>amakusa: normally you'd have network manager and similar things started at boot
22:18<f8l>amakusa: echo $SHELL
22:18<amakusa>bin/bash
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22:18<dondelelcaro>amakusa: but you can certainly start things in ~/.bash_profile or whatever is appropriate for your shell
22:24<amakusa>dondelelcaro, do I have to create that one? I don't see a file with that name
22:25<dondelelcaro>amakusa: yes, you have to create it
22:26<amakusa>dondelelcaro, ok,I'll give that a shot, thanks
22:27<amakusa>f8l and abrotman, thank you too
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22:28<f8l>amakusa: No problem. Just make sure you read the "Invocation" part of bash manual. ;-)
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22:29<amakusa>f8l, will do
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22:30<I_Died_Once>hi... everytime i boot up, my hard drives and partition all end up with a difernt path... /dev/sdc1 ..... /dev/sdd1.....
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22:30<I_Died_Once>how can i get the UUID so i can put it in my fstab and they all keep the same paths?
22:31<I_Died_Once>i'm not sure if i am asking my question correctly
22:31<I_Died_Once>so my files will be mounted when my machine starts up
22:32<f8l>I_Died_Once: `tune2fs -l /dev/sdc1 | grep UUID`.
22:32<I_Died_Once>f8l thanks, wish me luck
22:33<f8l>I_Died_Once: Good luck. ;-)
22:33<I_Died_Once>what package is the tune2fs command located?
22:34<I_Died_Once>says i aint got it and apt-get says it cannot locate tune2fs
22:35<f8l>I_Died_Once: e2fsprogs.
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22:36<f8l>I_Died_Once: Good luck again. I'm going to sleep now. It's 4:36 here. ;-)
22:37<elements>I_Died_Once: I can give you a hand if you need. I think you're on the right path though.
22:37<I_Died_Once>this is tricky....
22:38<I_Died_Once>i got three partitions, or drives... that needs to be put on different folders
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22:39<elements>This article looks handy, I_Died_Once: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-finding-using-uuids-to-update-fstab/
22:40<elements>Basically, you use the UUID tune2fs or 'vol_id <device>' gives you instead of the device name like /dev/sda1
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22:40<elements>UUID={YOUR-UID} {/path/to/mount/point} {file-system-type} defaults,errors=remount-ro 0 1
22:41<elements>UUID=<put device UUID here> /mnt/mountpoint ext3 defaults 0 0
22:41<elements>For example.
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22:42<mattcen>elements: He's gone.
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22:45<elements>Ahah, thanks.
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23:01<desktop>hi all
23:01<desktop>please i need help for my debin
23:01<desktop>I'm novice
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23:06<retrospectacus>!tell desktop -about ask
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23:44<knoppix_>HOLA
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23:51<murali>how are you
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