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02:11<RobbieThe1st>Hello all.
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02:42<RobbieThe1st>Anyone know stuff about MD software raids?
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02:44<RobbieThe1st>I've got a slight problem here. I have a two-disk raid-1 for my root partition. Recently, one of the two drives dropped out due to not being connected quite right. I'm trying to rebuild the array, but my -good- drive has three bad blocks on it, apparently.
02:44<RobbieThe1st>So, it rebuilds, but at the end it doesn't bring the new drive online.
02:45<RobbieThe1st>(Because the old drive has the bad-blocks). What should I do? I can use it with a single drive, yes, but how do I fix things?
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02:55<sander>Hi. A quick question. I have installed Squeeze on my computer. Grub2 installed to the MBR and everything is working fine. During install it recognised that I also have Windows (Server 2003) installed on my other partition. But Grub2 isn't showing it. How can I add it?
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02:56<e-ndy>sander: hi, try 'apt-get install os-prober'
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02:57<sander>e-ndy: Okay, thanks.
02:58<devil>it should be installed, just run it
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02:58<sander>Done. And now update-grub and grub-install I resume?
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02:59<devil>did you run it?
02:59<sander>devil: Yes. It recognised Windows on /dev/sda1
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02:59<devil>oh, good. update-grub should be enough then
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03:00<sander>devil: Thanks. Going to reboot now and see if it worked.
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03:03<RobbieThe1st>Hm... I've got a question - I have three SATA disks, all 640GB identical models. They are /dev/sda, b, and c respectively. One is connected via USB - How can I tell which it is?
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03:07<devil>RobbieThe1st: do they also have the same partitioning?
03:07<RobbieThe1st>Yup
03:07<devil>canyou mount them?
03:08<RobbieThe1st>And none of them seem to show up with 'lsusb'. Mounting... Yes. They are all part of two seperate MD software raids, one for the os and one for my data
03:08<RobbieThe1st>And as such, they are already mounted.
03:09<jm_>RobbieThe1st: what does this say: grep 1 /sys/block/*/removable
03:10<devil>hm, i dont know much of raids. mount should normaly show the usb disk as media/disk-1, as opposed to media/diskxpartx.
03:10<RobbieThe1st>SDD and SDE show up - My Nokia N900 mobile phones drives. No mention of SDA, B or C
03:11<RobbieThe1st>Changing the 1 to a 0 in that command gives me a bunch of drives, including SDA, B and C as well as MD0 and MD1
03:11<devil>RobbieThe1st: does fdisk -l see the drive?
03:11<RobbieThe1st>Yes it does
03:12<devil>and 'mount' does not give a clue?
03:12<RobbieThe1st>Hm... Nope.
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03:12<RobbieThe1st>I see /dev/md0, /dev/md1, but none of the others - they'd be dealt with through MD I think...
03:13<jm_>usb disks should show up with 1
03:15<RobbieThe1st>I'm assuming that it's not because all three are in /etc/fstab - I used to have all three hooked up via SATA ports until my mobo died on me
03:15<RobbieThe1st>And I had to replace it with one with two sata ports, and the third connected via USB
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03:16<RobbieThe1st>It worked perfectly for a few days, until one drive dropped(sdc). Upon doing some research, sda has some bad blocks, but sdb and sdc are clean
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03:17<jm_>you should also see in logs which drive is connected via USB
03:18<RobbieThe1st>Which logs?
03:18<jm_>uhm /var/log
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03:18<jm_>syslog by default I guess
03:18<RobbieThe1st>Alright. Are there any keywords I can search for? 'usb' didn't turn up anything?
03:19<jm_>try this: zegrep 'usb.*new|sd ' /var/log/syslog*
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03:22<tuxuser>mornin
03:22<RobbieThe1st>I got a -huge- amount of lines there. Restricting it to only the current syslog still gave me pages of lines.
03:23<RobbieThe1st>http://pastebin.com/7DZSqsM7
03:23<RobbieThe1st>Hm... I'm thinking it SDC, but I can't be sure...
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03:24<jm_>was it connected at boot?
03:24<RobbieThe1st>Yup
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03:29<RobbieThe1st>Hm... I've got 2GB swap partitions on each disk; could that be used? I'm betting the USB drive's speed is a lot slower than the other two
03:30<jm_>well just do this to test the speeds: dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/null bs=1M count=200
03:31<RobbieThe1st>Yup, there we go. 113mb/sec, 117mb/sec, and... 22.5mb/sec.
03:31<RobbieThe1st>It's sdc
03:32<jm_>yeah one can also find it from /sys/bus/usb/drivers/usb-storage, but it's a bit messy :)
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03:34<RobbieThe1st>Now for the interesting part: So, I've got these three drives. I have three partitions on each drive: 24GB for the OS, 2GB swap, and the rest Data. I've got two of the drives in raid-1 for the OS, and three in raid-5 for my Data.
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03:35<RobbieThe1st>sda and sdc are my two OS raid-1 drives. Now, SDC dropped a day or so ago(USB burble, I guess). It won't rebuild - SDA, which it's running on, has bad blocks it seems.
03:36<RobbieThe1st>Seeing as I haven't heard the click of death, I'm guessing only non-critical data was stored in those blocks, and I think they are all in the first partition.
03:36<RobbieThe1st>What should I do?
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03:37<jm_>replace the drive and restore from backup?
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03:38<RobbieThe1st>Well, I'd like to salvage the drive, at least for a while - It's running OK, and I don't have a spare to replace it with now. Also, I don't really have a backup that'd do me much good
03:39<RobbieThe1st>On top of this, I have to wait and hope my data partition resync's, as it was dropped out too. And 600GB at 20mb/sec takes forever.
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03:40<RobbieThe1st>Should I try badblocks or fsck on the remaining raid-1 partition while running from a LiveCD?
03:41<jm_>I would run it on /dev/sda1 or whatever the underlying partition is, you can run it in read-only mode while the os is running (but it's questionable if it makes sense while sync is going on)
03:41<rabo>hello, I want to know how to run compiz in debian squeeze, I have Intel Corporation 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics Device, and as I read the problem derived from xserver-xorg-video-intel. Thanks in advance
03:41<RobbieThe1st>Alright
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03:44<RobbieThe1st>"badblocks -b 512 -n -o badblockslist.txt -s -v /dev/sda1" Does this sound right?
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03:45<jm_>no, badblocks -o badblockslist.txt -s -v /dev/sda1
03:46<jm_>never use -n while the OS is running
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03:46<RobbieThe1st>Oh, yea, you're right. I missed that
03:47<RobbieThe1st>Also, what about block-size? What size does e2fsck expect?
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03:48<jm_>why do you care about that?
03:49<RobbieThe1st>Because I assume I'm going to need to run the output of badblocks through e2fsck when I'm done.
03:49<RobbieThe1st>Mainly because I have this feeling - after looking at the logs - that SDA has it's block-shifting table filled.
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03:50<RobbieThe1st>And, if it's not needed, no harm done
03:50<jm_>I'd recommend replacing the drive instead if you still have warranty -- blocks size is probably the same as FS block size, dumpe2fs -h will tell you
03:52<RobbieThe1st>I'm pretty sure it's not under warranty - I got it cheap used as a spare a while back. I will replace it soon, though
03:52<tuxuser>does anybody here have a recommendation on a good wireless-n router (with gigabit lan).... cause my buffalo wzr-hp-g300nh is CRAPPY AS HELL ?
03:52<RobbieThe1st>That command shows me having a block size of 4096 for /dev/md1, though nothing(obviously) for /dev/sda1
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03:53<jm_>yeah I am not quite sure how to fit this together with a md device
03:53<RobbieThe1st>:P
03:54<RobbieThe1st>It makes things interesting, that's for sure.
03:54<RobbieThe1st>I think I'll go with 4096, as I'll have to run e2fsck on the md device...
03:55<jm_>just make sure you copy as much as possible first :)
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03:56<RobbieThe1st>Yea, I'll back that up entirely before doing anything more than a read-only test
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04:21<RobbieThe1st>I assume this: "[sda] Add. Sense: Unrecovered read error - auto reallocate failed" means there's a bad-block and the block list is full
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04:24<jm_>did you check what smartctl says for it?
04:24<RobbieThe1st>Now, erm, I've got an interesting problem here. The bad blocks(all 21) of them are right near the end of my partition. I should be able to just shrink it a bit and avoid all the blocks... But it's part of a raid were dealing with here. How would I resize a raid-1?
04:24<RobbieThe1st>um... What, specifically are you looking for?
04:25<jm_>check stuff like Reallocated_Event_Count
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04:28<RobbieThe1st>I see: Value: 200, worst: 200, threshold: 140. RAW_VALUE: 0
04:29<jm_>also look for Reallocated_Sector_Ct
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04:30<RobbieThe1st>That's the one I just gave you. Oh wait... there's two
04:30<RobbieThe1st>sector_ct is the one I gave you. event_count gives value: 200, worst: 200, thresh: 000 raw_value: 0
04:33<RobbieThe1st>I just checked SDB and SDC, and they both give those same values, though... Note, however, that smartctl -a gives me a bunch of error-codes for SDA, but nothing for SDB or C
04:33<jm_>this shall help a bit http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net/badblockhowto.html
04:33<RobbieThe1st>I'll take a look
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05:34<RobbieThe1st>jm_: Thanks. I was able to fix the sectors and get them reallocated, and now everything seems to be fine!
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05:36<jm_>RobbieThe1st: apparently reallocation happaens automatically if you write to the offending sector
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05:38<RobbieThe1st>Yea, looks that way. Best part is, those sectors weren't in use, so no data loss happened.
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05:41<jm_>now you can sync raid1 part too after raid5 is done
05:42<RobbieThe1st>Yea
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05:44<RobbieThe1st>Out of curiosity: Is there any way to tell which raid-5 device is the parity one, and which ones aren't?
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05:45<jm_>they all are
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07:13<twb>Under what circumstances would "start-stop-daemon --stop --quiet --oknodo --retry TERM/10 --pidfile /var/run/slapd/slapd.pid --exec /usr/sbin/slapd" report "No /usr/sbin/slapd found running; none killed.", when ps auxf clearly shows a slapd running?
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07:13<twb>Never mind, this is clearly due to dropping privileges in LXC: start-stop-daemon: warning: failed to kill 478: Operation not permitted
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07:44<Admin>hi
07:44<tuxuser>hi
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07:44<Admin>!list
07:44<dpkg>VATTENE VIA!
07:44<Admin>ok
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07:45<Daniel0101>Hi all
07:45<icebrain>!greet Daniel0101
07:45<dpkg>Moo, Daniel0101
07:46<icebrain>ops! :)
07:46<Daniel0101>Please, any of you know how to install sockstat?
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07:47<Ganneff>apt-get install sockstat
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07:47<Ganneff>done. next
07:47<Daniel0101>Ganneff: A package with that name seem not to exist
07:47<Ganneff>http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=sockstat
07:47<Daniel0101>"Couldn't find package sockstat"
07:47<Ganneff>squeeze and above
07:47<Ganneff>so backport itz
07:48<Daniel0101>I am still on lenny, unfortunately
07:48<Ganneff>so backport it
07:52<Daniel0101>sockstat seems not to be available amongst the backports.
07:52<Daniel0101>But thanks anyway Ganneff
07:53<Daniel0101>:)
07:56<icebrain>Daniel0101: Ganneff was telling you to backport it yourself, if i understood him correctly
07:56<icebrain>!tell Daniel0101 about simple sid backport
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08:04<mjt>Sigh. "You are seeing this page because the combination of your browser and OS is not supported. To view the visual topology, please use Internet Explorer 5.5 or a later version on Windows or Mozilla Firefox version 2.0 or later."
08:04<mjt>;)
08:05<icebrain>mjt: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/59/ ftw
08:05<Daniel0101>Thanks icebrain
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08:08<mjt>heh. Helped but not much: "You are seeing this page because you do not have ActiveX enabled. To view the visual topology, please enable ActiveX." ;-P
08:08<mjt>thanks icebrain
08:09<mjt>they're helpless
08:09<icebrain>oh, activex, when will they learn :|
08:09<@weasel>when will they ever learn,
08:09<mjt>it's orrible, you see ;)
08:09<@weasel> when will they ever learn. ~~/
08:09<icebrain>well, you can install IE on wine, if you _really_ need to open that site...
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08:10<mjt>it's not a site. it's orrible management console (orrible enterprise manager)
08:10<mjt>but yes
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08:11<twb>nuke it from orbit
08:12<twb>THen ring up the vendor and tell them to get a flipping clue and go back to shipping kit with serial
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08:12<mjt>oops ;)
08:13<tuxuser>good mornin mjt
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08:16<mjt>fsvo "morning" -- it's 16:16 here
08:16<mjt>tuxuser: how's your network stalls?
08:17<tuxuser>14:17 here
08:17<tuxuser>:P
08:17<tuxuser>yesterday i copied like 150 GB
08:17<tuxuser>no crash
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08:18<mjt>so that's a prob in the lenny kernel, fixed in later releases.
08:19<tuxuser>seems like it, yep
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08:49<Darth_Revan>Greetings. I want to be a Debian maintainer of mrim-prpl project (in official repo). mrim-prpl at GPL2+. What I need to do?
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08:51<babilen>Darth_Revan: Package it (read the "new maintainers guide") and find a sponsor
08:51<babilen>!tell Darth_Revan -about nmg
08:51<babilen>!tell Darth_Revan -about mentors
08:51<babilen>!tell Darth_Revan -about rfs
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08:52<Darth_Revan>package already ready =)
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08:53<babilen>Darth_Revan: Then find a sponsor -- Ask in #debian-mentors
08:54<Darth_Revan>babilen: sponsor?
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08:55<babilen>Darth_Revan: Yes, you'll need a debian developer (hf. DD) to sponsor your package (i.e. uploading it to Debian), because you are not a DD.
08:55<Darth_Revan>ah
08:55<Darth_Revan>now I understand
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08:59<babilen>Darth_Revan: See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianMentorsFaq#SponsoredPackages and http://mentors.debian.net/cgi-bin/welcome , but I would just ask in #debian-mentors about it.
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09:00<Darth_Revan>babilen: ok =)
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09:01<enricos>hi to all
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09:02<enricos>I've a problem with a cd/dvd device that Lenny see but Squeeze don't
09:03<enricos>installed by cd, not upgrade
09:05<enricos>is an Asus A2H laptop
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09:09<enricos>anyone could help me please?
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09:10<enricos>debhelper, could you help me please?
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09:11<devil>is there a line in fstab for it? if so, how does it look
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09:15<bluebox>join# ubuntu
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09:15<bluebox>Hi all. My Mplyaer sound keeps crashing. Any ideas?
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09:20<babilen>blue: You missed "/" in the "/join #ubuntu" command
09:21<f0rk>babilen: already gone
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09:29<enricos>devil, my fstab is http://paste.debian.net/101650
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09:30<enricos>but the problem I think that the kernel doesn't create the /dev for the device
09:30<Tomash>hi @all
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09:31<Darth_Revan>Tomash: hi
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09:41<enricos>or the udev... :(
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09:46<enricos>my dmesg is http://paste.debian.net/101654
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10:06<Darth_Revan>no one answer me at #debian-mentors
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10:20<CAP8988>Hi. Could anyone tell me if there's a spanish channel and its name, please?
10:20<@weasel>!es
10:20<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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10:20<CAP8988>Thanks.
10:20<@weasel>np
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10:27<tash>how I wish all ask for that in that way
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10:31<enricos>http://paste.debian.net/101654 is my dmesg, anyone could help me with a problem in squeeze? please :)
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10:38*icebrain doesn't find any problem with that log...
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11:09<tuxuser>hey
11:09<tuxuser>[ 62.364077] eth0: unable to apply firmware patch <-- anybody had this issue here?... delays the bootup for 60 seconds
11:10<Torsten_W>do we know your hardware and kernel-version?
11:11<tuxuser>you dont have your magic glas-kugel?
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11:11<tuxuser>gimme a sec
11:12<tuxuser>module: r8169, 02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller (rev 03), kernel: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686
11:12<tuxuser>it only happens with the backports-kernel, not the stock one
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11:13<Torsten_W>tuxuser, missing firmware-package maybe
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11:13<tuxuser>linux-firmware-nonfree
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11:13<tuxuser>is installed, if its that what u meen
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11:13<Torsten_W>it is
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11:14<Torsten_W>tuxuser, is dmesg | grep -i firmw more showing?
11:15<tuxuser>[ 2.367494] r8169 0000:02:00.0: firmware: requesting rtl8168d-2.fw
11:15<tuxuser>[ 62.364077] eth0: unable to apply firmware patch
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11:19<tuxuser>oh I just seen that i only have firmware-linux-FREE
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11:19<Torsten_W>tuxuser, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=561309
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11:23<tuxuser>so i could just install a kernel from trunk... and it should be fine...
11:23<tuxuser>cause i dont really feel like compiling a kernel by myself for a STABLE setup... i meen i did it before.. but only for "testing-machines"
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11:26<valianholt>Hello
11:27<tuxuser>hi
11:27<valianholt>please, is it possible to install debian via netinst when I have access only to wifi connection? (WPA2)
11:27<valianholt>my wlan card should be supported by kernel
11:28<tuxuser>Torsten_W, firmware-linux-nonfree did the job, thank you :)
11:28<valianholt>thinkpad t400
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11:30<devil>valianholt: does not work with wpa iirc
11:32<valianholt>:(
11:32<valianholt>thx
11:33<valianholt>and do you know, if there is gnome-core + network manager in debian 1st CD?
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11:33<valianholt>I would like to install 2 tasksel groups of packages: standard system utilities + laptop
11:33<valianholt>then install gnome-core + gmd3 (xorg in dependencies)
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11:34<valianholt>not sure if I find it in 1st CD, that's why asked for netinst
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11:45<patrakov>hi. how to handle the situation that a previous version of the package has a cron job that is not needed in the new version?
11:46<patrakov>(i.e., what to write in postinst so that this cron.d file is handled correctly)
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11:47<f0rk>anyone ever user plan 9 in a virtual machine? I try installing it on virtualbox-ose under Debian but it just appears to hang
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12:02<Aleric>What C++ library exists to convert between utf-8 and std::wstring?
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12:03<obengdako>hi guys anyone got usb tvbox by trident with vendor id 6000 product id 0001 to work in linux?
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12:13<jhutchins_lt>patrakov: The cron job needs to be in the new package so it can be installed if not upgrading.
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12:18<patrakov>jhutchins_lt: not sure if I understand. why should a cron job be in the new package?
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12:19<patrakov>it has no purpose with the new version, the functionality has been reimplemented without a cron job
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12:20<the-shaman>.
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12:23<amakusa>hello can anyone tell me how to find out what is the device path for my camera?
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12:24<patrakov>amakusa: which camera?
12:24<patrakov>there are many types of cameras: FireWire video camera, webcam, ptp photo camera, ums photo camera
12:24<amakusa>patrakov, my laptop's built-in webcam
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12:25<patrakov>that's /dev/video0, assuming that you have no other video cameras or tuners
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12:25<jhutchins_lt>patrakov: Ah, I misunderstood the question. Should be safe to just rm it.
12:25<amakusa>I see, lemme try that
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12:26<patrakov>jhutchins_lt: thanks
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12:47<enricos>hi to all, this is my dmesg http://paste.debian.net/101654 and my cd/dvd device doesn't works
12:47<enricos>I'm on squeeze
12:47<enricos>and with lenny it works...
12:48<enricos>the device is a DVD_A_DS8A1P
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12:53<wizard>hello all I'm getting applet not initialized in firefox can anyone help please
12:53<wizard>I need to remote my office pc from home because of the snow ?
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12:57<jhutchins_lt>enricos: sata? IDE? SCSI?
12:58<wizard>I need to remote my office pc from home because of the snow ?
12:58<wizard>hello all I'm getting applet not initialized in firefox can anyone help please
12:58<jhutchins_lt>wizard: That's way to vague for anybody to help. What applet? What are you trying to do? Do you have some sort of web VNC set up? What's the remote system?
12:59<sney>probably more a question for #firefox anyway
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12:59<wizard>web based RDP, java applet
13:00<jhutchins_lt>why not use rdesktop?
13:00<@weasel>x11vnc?
13:00<Gathond>freerdp-x11 gnome-rdp
13:00<enricos>jhujhiti_, IDE
13:00<Gathond>or one of those
13:00<Gathond>if you can access your work machine directly
13:01<enricos>I'm on an Asus A2H laptop
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13:03<enricos>jhutchins_lt, IDE
13:03<jhutchins_lt>enricos: So I guess keep lenny and dual-boot to squeeze until they fix it.
13:03<enricos>it's a squeeze bug?
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13:05<amakusa>the default resolution that ffmpeg uses is very bad, does anyone know what flag or option I can use to use a better one?
13:05<jhutchins_lt>You could check the .32 kernel in lenny, see if it has the bug.
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13:06<enricos>throu a backport?
13:06<jhutchins_lt>enricos: Yes.
13:06<jhutchins_lt>,kernels
13:06<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.36-trunk-686 (2.6.36-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-28); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-28); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-28~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny1); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2)
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13:06<enricos>so lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-28~bpo50+1)
13:07<wizard>jhutchins_lt, because I work for a bank, we need to use this site, I have a trader application that's down
13:07<wizard>jhutchins_lt, I need to get on to my system like 6 weeks ago lol
13:08<enricos>it can't be related with udev ?
13:08<jhutchins_lt>wizard: Is this a windows system you're trying to access?
13:09<sney>wizard: doesn't your employer have a support line? when I was at Citi we sure did. since it's your bank's proprietary software that's not working it's hard for randoms on the internet to help
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13:09<wizard>jhutchins_lt, yes the site will allow me to access my xp machine
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13:10<wizard>jhutchins_lt, if I cant get it to work in the next 30 mins I might have to install a VM on my box to work around it
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13:10<jhutchins_lt>That's one of the few things I have used windows for in the past six years - to verify that it's the windows side of an application that's broken.
13:10<sney>haha
13:10<wizard>sney I work for citi
13:11<sney>shoulda seen that comin'
13:11<wizard>but they wont help with this I run ubuntu they don't support it
13:11<sney>I left in 06 so I don't know what they're using now
13:11<wizard>sney lol
13:11<sney>ubuntu!
13:11<f0rk>time for a VM it seems
13:11<f0rk>!ubuntu
13:11<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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13:12<sney>but honestly it's more of a browser problem, and yeah, it probably is looking for a windows component
13:12<sney>I know how those guys develop software. if something works in a non-IE/WINTEL environment, it's just due to luck
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13:12<wizard>sney, I have accessed it before on this box running ubuntu
13:13<sney>you are a lucky guy then
13:13<jhutchins_lt>In any case, we can't support ubuntu here.
13:13<wizard>sney, looks like I need to install VM for the time being knew I shouldn't have did a update today lol
13:13<sney>are they still using the one ugh what was it called with the little keychain that tells you your passcode
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13:14<wizard>no we use a safeword card now input pin get your password
13:14<wizard>same sort of thing, pain in the ass if you ask me
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13:15<sney>no kidding, do they still make you change your password every month? that + requiring strong passwords meant that half the execs I supported had the password August2006
13:15<sney>and then the change would come up and they would do September2006
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13:15<f0rk>o_O
13:16<sney>f0rk: and they would write it on a post-it and stick it to the monitor, thus ruining any kind of security possible
13:16<wizard>sney, you get it all the time mate, silly traders only know how to work with numbers lol
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13:17<sney>traders huh
13:17<sney>you're not at 390 are you
13:18<sney>nevermind
13:18<wizard>no I'm not in NAM
13:18<wizard>UK
13:18<sney>righto
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13:19<wizard>take it your nam then
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13:19<sney>ex yeah
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13:20<wizard>sney, well thanks for all the help, looks like I need to run and install a VM ware on this box
13:20<sney>word. virtualbox is probably your best bet.
13:20<f0rk>!virtualbox
13:20<dpkg>VirtualBox is a virtual machine solution. VirtualBox Open Source Edition (OSE) is packaged for Debian. To install, ask me about <vbox-install lenny>, <vbox-install bdo> or <vbox-install squeeze>. http://wiki.debian.org/VirtualBox http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/User_FAQ http://www.virtualbox.org/ #vbox on irc.freenode.net. See also <vbox manual>, <vbox guest-utils>, <vbox-ose vs vbox>, <vdi>, <virtualization>.
13:20<sney>have fun
13:20<wizard>sney, well do god dam snow :(
13:20<wizard>will*
13:20<jhutchins_lt>wizard: It won't surprize me if your VM doesn't do any better at connecting. Make sure you don't mention that it's a VM when you call support.
13:21<tuxuser>possibly someone with an xbox360 here?
13:21<jhutchins_lt>wizard: Personally I'd just tell them I was running fiefox on XP.
13:21<sney>ha, I bet anything the snow where I am now is worse, and they'd still make me go in
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13:21<wizard>sney, lol you better believe it
13:22<sney>I always appreciated the traders for their roughness with the technology assets, I rescued a lot of kit out of the citi dumpster that had been decomm'd and junked due to trader abuse
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13:22<sney>which is part of what turned me into a debian nerd, what with having lots of free time and spare computers
13:22<sney>and around and around we go
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13:23<wizard>same as me but that busy can't get enough time to do it
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13:24<sney>I guess that's the difference between being a trader and just being TI
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13:24<sney>don't hit the monitors with your phone, wizard.
13:25<wizard>that's anyother thing we use 4 at work I only have 2 at some and need to run the span command
13:25<wizard>does my head in
13:25<wizard>traders have upto 8 as you know
13:26<sney>indeed, though usually at over 4 it's multiple computers
13:26<sney>some running slowaris
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13:39<enricos>jhutchins_lt, hi... I'm now with Lenny :)
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13:40<enricos>do you wanna see my dmesg now?
13:40<jhutchins_lt>Remind me what problem you're having, it scrolled off.
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13:40<jhutchins_lt>Ah yes, undetected drive.
13:40<jhutchins_lt>Which kernel?
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13:41<jhutchins_lt>(BTW I like to make squeeze a boot option so I can test it.)
13:41<enricos>this is my dmesg http://paste.debian.net/101666 with kernel 2.6.26
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13:43<enricos>I'm installing thunar to see my cdrom...
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13:43<jhutchins_lt>enricos: The drive is still not detected?
13:43<jhutchins_lt>fdksk -l?
13:44<jhutchins_lt>Actually, that won't show it.
13:44<enricos>thunar see him...
13:45<jhutchins_lt>enricos: Does /dev/cdr* exist?
13:45<SynrG>i have one very old debian system (installed 1997 or so and upgraded ever since, always sid) that has /usr/share/locales/es -> es_ES ... comparing with a more recent system, es/ and es_ES/ are different directories ...
13:45<SynrG>does anyone remember this changing along the way? :)
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13:45<MeglaW>guys, when i do uprecords i have a entry from 2000, and thats a date error, were do i change a value to make it right
13:45<jhutchins_lt>Ok, so it works with .26 but not in squeeze. Next step might be to install .32 from backports and see if it works with that. That should narrow it down enough for a bugreport.
13:46<SynrG>the reason i ask is, this difference seems to be implicated in a failure to upgrade several packages (but only recently)
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13:46<SynrG>dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libgweather-common_2.30.3-1_all.deb (--install):
13:46<dpkg>synrg: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin).
13:46<SynrG> unable to open '/usr/share/locale/es_ES/LC_MESSAGES/libgweather.mo.dpkg-new': No such file or directory
13:46<enricos>fstab says /dev/hda /media/cdrom0
13:46<SynrG>hush, bot.
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13:46<jhutchins_lt>MeglaW: Uprecords?
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13:46<sney>SynrG: would symlinking es to es_ES fix it?
13:47<SynrG>sney: that's the *problem* so far as i can see
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13:47<SynrG>on the system with errors it is symlinked
13:47<sney>ah
13:47<SynrG>i believe it ought not to be
13:47<SynrG>short of duplicating the directory contents and undoing the symlinks ...
13:47<SynrG>i can't think what else to do to rescue it
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13:48<SynrG>i think suddenly dpkg has become very fussy about this (ever since last dpkg upgrade)
13:48<enricos>jhutchins_lt, well... now it works, althought the errors in dmesg
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13:48<SynrG>sney: dpkg was just upgraded today ...
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13:48<enricos>I will try the kernel 2.6.32 by backports like you suggest me
13:48<sney>SynrG: I probably don't need to tell you to check the bts for anyone reporting the same thing
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13:49<jhutchins_lt>enricos: Only one I see is pcspkr, which happens to me too.
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13:49<SynrG>/var/log/dpkg.log.1:2010-12-06 06:20:53 upgrade dpkg 1.15.5.6 1.15.8.6
13:49<SynrG>sney: hrm, but ... not a bug, really?
13:49<SynrG>i mean, if dpkg is doing the right thing and my system is just screwed due to a long history of sid upgrades
13:50<enricos>jhutchins_lt, dmesg line 298 says:
13:50<enricos>[ 13.292028] hda: no response (status = 0x80), resetting drive
13:50<jhutchins_lt>enricos: Likely because there's no media in it.
13:50<enricos>and at boot time wait a minute....
13:50<sney>SynrG: doesn't mean someone else wouldn't report it as such. and they may have a workaround already. I wonder if it'd be under locales or dpkg
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13:51<enricos>it's annoying but the important is that the device works... now I will try to install the new kernel... ok?
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13:52<jhutchins_lt>Sounds good to me.
13:52<jhutchins_lt>Mind you, there's probably no reason for you to run the new kernel other than to check the bug.
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13:52<SynrG>sney: that's the thing. and i've utterly failed to find the right search criteria ... and the number of bugs on each is overwhelming :p
13:53<SynrG>sney: if it's on locales, it's on the wrong package, i'm sure.
13:53<enricos>yes but I wanna use squeeze to install tint2 or libreoffice for exemple...
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13:54<muulix>join #debian.de
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13:54<muulix>hallo leute
13:55<neocortex>Hello! Can anyone help me with Firestarter -- it does not start on boot and I cannot understand why.
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13:55<enricos>jhutchins_lt, you think that it's not so important to use the last kernel? (libreoffice, tint2, etc)
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13:57<SynrG>sney: 1.15.5.6 -> 1.15.8.6 is a *lot* of changelogs to sift through :(
13:57<sney>word
13:57<sney>!broken in sid
13:57<dpkg>Well, duh, what'd you expect, of course it's broken. See <sid>, <break>.
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14:00<SynrG>sney: bleah. maybe in 1.15.7 "When creating hard links to normal files on extraction use the .dpkg-new filename for source as the file is not yet in place due to the rename deferral. Thanks to Colin Watson for the initial patch." but then i'd have to see if somehow hardlinks figure in ...
14:00<SynrG>(just looking for recent changes involving dpkg-new to try to narrow the field)
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14:01<sney>is it at all humbling as a developer to go to the main channel for help
14:01<SynrG>no
14:01<SynrG>debian is so freaking huge it's impossible to know it all.
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14:02<SynrG>we have here the collective experiences of a huge # of experts
14:02<SynrG>(well, and not-so-experts :)
14:02<SynrG>so it was just logical to ask here
14:02<jhutchins_lt>enricos: The .26 kernel gets more security updates.
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14:07<enricos>jhutchins_lt, ok thank you very much for the support
14:07<jhutchins_lt>Glad you got it working.
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14:08<SynrG>ah well. it was worth a shot. later :)
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14:11<Lauriitah>hello
14:11<sney>hi
14:11<Lauriitah>who are you?
14:11<enricos>jhutchins_lt, see that http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?p=2026715
14:11<sney>I'm sney
14:12<enricos>jhutchins_lt, at the end the guy solved with "hda=cdrom" in grub.conf
14:12<Lauriitah>do you speak spanish?
14:12<sney>a little bit, but we are not allowed to speak spanish in this channel
14:12<sney>do /join #debian-es for spanish
14:12<enricos>jhutchins_lt, do you think it could be a solution?
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14:13<jhutchins_lt>I'd just stick with .26 unless you enjoy messing with kernel options.
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14:16<enricos>mh
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14:32<troulouliou>hi , where can i find the post remove scripts ?
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14:34<Torsten_W>troulouliou, in /var/lib/dpkg/info/
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14:34<troulouliou>if a script goes mad , i simply (re)move it
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14:36<troulouliou>yes that workde thanks
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14:38<devil>(re)moving is a bad idea
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14:42<medina>hola
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14:49<medina>hola
14:49<pfanni>hi, medina
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14:50<medina>sera que alguien me podria guiar en el por que mitarjeta de sonido no funciona
14:50<devil>!es
14:50<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
14:51<medina>o mejor dicho por que no tengo sonido
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14:53<KiSs0fDeAtH[Gue>ciao a tutti
14:53<KiSs0fDeAtH[Gue>!lista
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14:53<retrospectacus>try !list
14:53<sney>lol
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14:54<sney>I know an italian guy who is a google dev, I asked him once why all italians troll english language channels for warez
14:54<sney>and he had no idea
14:54<retrospectacus>yeah I've always wondered...
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15:01<covent>hello!
15:01<retrospectacus>what up covent
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15:02<covent>when I want to start racoon I get this error message "IKE keying daemon will not be started as /proc/net/pfkey is not
15:02<covent> available or a suitable 2.6 (or 2.4 with IPSEC backport)
15:02<covent> kernel with af_key.[k]o module is not installed."
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15:03<mase>covent modprobe af_key?
15:04<covent>when I check /proc/net/ I can't see any pfkey
15:04<covent>modprobe af_key FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.18-194.26.1.el5.028stab070.14/modules.dep: No such file or directory
15:05<covent>does the pfkey come with ipsec-tools?
15:05<mase>covent ...hm, i can install it. standard kernel...
15:05<retrospectacus>uh isn't it pf not af?
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15:05<retrospectacus>covent, your kernel is quite old
15:05<mase>covent but what kernel are you running, looks strane to me...
15:06<cahoot>is this related to debian at all?
15:06<mase>*strange
15:06<covent>how can I see what kernel I'm running?
15:06<mase>uname -a
15:06<covent>2.6.18-194.26.1.el5.028stab070.14 #1 SMP Thu Nov 18 16:34:01 MSK 2010 i686 GNU/Linux
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15:06<mase>where did you get it from?
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15:07<heinzes>the ccache squeeze-version does not have anymore the script to create links to compilers in /usr/local/bin. how can I best set up ccache to be used permanently? some sh script, but profile is only read by bash, not by csh? manually create the links? other?
15:08<covent>I have a virtual host at a hosting company and that's what came with the virtual image
15:09-!-mode/#debian [+l 468] by debhelper
15:09<mase>covent is it redhat?
15:09<covent>no, it's debian
15:09<mase>covent (cause of the "el5"-tag)
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15:10<mase>covent but its about the hosting machine; may be you need to load that module on the hosting machine because you cant do that (normaly) on the guest.
15:11<mase>covent (since you might not be able to have the same kernel image installed on the guest machine, normaly)
15:11<covent>how can I check what version of debian I'm running
15:11<Torsten_W>cat /etc/debian_version
15:11<mase>lsb_release
15:11<kenyon>covent: lsb_release -a
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15:13<covent>in /etc/debian_version it say that I have 5.0.7
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15:14<roor>xubuntu 9.10 desktop, update all, pidgin не подключается
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15:14<kenyon>!tell roor about ubuntu
15:15<retrospectacus>roor, this is #debian - please take your problem elsewhere, you will get more help
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15:15<roor>настройки сети взял из Mirranda: login.aol.com:5190
15:15<cahoot>empty promises
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15:15<retrospectacus>roor, this is #debian - please take your problem elsewhere, you will not get any help here :P
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15:16<roor>sorry!
15:16<covent>how can I install a proper kernel with modules?
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15:16<retrospectacus>covent: you will have to take this up with the hosting provider...
15:16<mase>covent think so too...
15:16<retrospectacus>you cannot upgrade kernel stuff on the vm
15:17<retrospectacus>has to be done on the host
15:17<covent>well I have console access thru (and I don't mean ssh)
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15:18<mase>convent the hosting machine?
15:19<mase>covent then you could try "modprobe af_key" there?
15:19<covent>why can't I upgrade the kernel in my virtual machine?
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15:19<Torsten_W>covent, because your vm has no own kernel
15:20<mase>covent well, what is it? openvz (then vm has no own kernel, thats the problem)
15:20<covent>vmware
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15:21<mase>covent ? tho its a complete emulated virtual machine? i would wonder how you got to that kernel than....
15:21<mase>-tho +so
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15:23<covent>thats what I wonder as well
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15:24<mase>covent stupid question: a complete upgrade and a reboot...did that chnge anything about the kernel?
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15:25<covent>I will reinstall the host with debian dvd images
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15:25<mase>covent why not try upgrading with the "apt"-commands?
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15:26<mase>covent as your config says you are already at 5.0.7 (lenny) (don't know what the kernel was that time...)
15:27<Torsten_W>2.6.18-194.26.1.el5.028stab070.14 is never a debian-kernel
15:27<Torsten_W>looks like an openvz-kernel
15:28<mase>seems to me too. but openvz normaly has a -openvz" tag in the kernels tag...
15:28<mase>kernels name
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15:29<mase>the "el5" looks like suse or redhat to me...
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15:30<Torsten_W>google sayes, it's a redhat openvz-kernel
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15:38<mase>Torsten_W hmm, ok
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15:40<mase>Torsten_W just for my interest: how did they mention in the kernels name its an openvz kernel? do they have a special number coding?
15:40<Torsten_W>i have only read it here: http://wiki.openvz.org/Download/kernel/rhel5/028stab070.14
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15:41<mase>Torsten_W ok, thx
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15:43<mase>covent do you have a "/dev/vzctl" in your virtual machine?
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16:10<sdk>Just a quick question folks. How would I submit a line to the fortune file? Or if someone wants to do it for me: Dad's quote: With experience, the number of mistakes you make drops arithmatically, but the impact grows exponentially.
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16:14<melkart>how can i "reuse" an existing logical volume on an encrypted partition when installing squeeze? is there a tutorial somewhere?
16:15<shamrock_>hello
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16:26<yoshio>sdk: you can file a wishlist bug on the package 'fortunes', see http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting , bugs are at http://bugs.debian.org/fortunes , but it might be best to file a wishlist bug with upstream
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16:28<dupondje>can somebody check to get php5 migrated to testing ?
16:28<dupondje>http://packages.qa.debian.org/p/php5.html
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16:28<dupondje>tells its not build on mips, but it is since 3 days :s
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16:36<kenyon>sdk: looks like you can file a wishlist bug on the fortunes package to get a quotation added: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=fortunes
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16:56<navis>hello, anyone here familiar with the spam reporting process for the mailing lists ?
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16:57<navis>more specifically, I'm reading the ML through gmane, and want to know if bouncing the messages from gmane to report-listspam@lists.debian.org is usefull
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17:26<ZeroNinj4>I have debian installed. I just apt-get install Tor. I can connect on mirc using tor?
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17:37<mueddib>hmm, kernel-package problem
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17:37<mueddib>I compiling new stable kernel and using kernel-package
17:37<mueddib>linux kernel version 2.6.36.1
17:38<mueddib>--append-to-version=-mueddib
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17:38<TomassoSK>Hi all, I am trying nouveau drivers in debian squeeze, but there is some conflict: fb conflicting fb hw usage nouveaufb vs EFI VGA
17:38<mueddib>this is problem fixing
17:38<mueddib>he UTS Release version in include/linux/version.h
17:38<mueddib>“”
17:38<mueddib>does not match current version:
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17:38<mueddib>sorry
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17:39<TomassoSK>What I need to disable? nouveau has some conflict
17:39<mueddib>version_vars.mk change to UTS_RELEASE_HEADER=$ parameter
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17:39<mueddib>TomassoSK, what is problem? I don't understand..
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17:41<dsHutch>Is this right place to as emdebian questions?
17:41<dsHutch>ask
17:41<mueddib>dsHutch, please join emdebian channel
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17:42<TomassoSK>mueddib: I am using grub-pc with 1280x860 resolution, nouveau graphic drivers, but I get this message when the system is booting:
17:42<TomassoSK>fb conflicting fb hw usage nouveaufb vs EFI VGA
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17:43<TomassoSK>There is some conflict, maybe I need something to blacklist in modprobe...
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17:43<dsHutch>thanks, will do.
17:44<vook>TomassoSK: what is this, a laptop ? what make/model ?
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17:45<TomassoSK>vook: It is laptop HP dv6720
17:45<dsHutch>Missing dependency? Trying to install debian package libstdc++6-4.3-dbg-powerpc-cross, but get error "Depends: libgcc1-dbg-powerpc-cross but it is not installable". Any clues?
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17:46<sney>dsHutch: aptitude update?
17:47<dsHutch>Yes, via synaptic
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17:50<vook>TomassoSK: you have some kind of odd laptop - hp doesn't seem to offer much info
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17:51<vook>maybe they just did as usually, made a new model weeks after they released yours
17:51<vook>*usual
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17:52<vook>really odd, this model cannot be found for sale, the dv6720ec
17:52<dsHutch>sney: Yes, via synaptic
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17:54<sney>judd: versions libgcc1-dbg-powerpc-cross
17:54<judd>Sorry, no package named 'libgcc1-dbg-powerpc-cross' was found in i386.
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17:54<sney>no of course not judd
17:54<sney>sigh
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17:55<dsHutch>sney: could this be a bad dependency specification, or is it really missing libgcc1-dbg...?
17:56<sney>don't know.
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18:04<fralle>does somebody know what moira database is?
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18:22<apinski>hmm
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18:30<vook>looks like it's related to debathena
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18:34<fralle>do u know what debathena is? :)
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18:36<zumbi>dsHutch: hi - which suite are you using?
18:38<zumbi>dsHutch: try to fetch libgcc1-dbg for powerpc and run dpkg-cross over it. join #emdebian channel if you need more help
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18:49<fralle>netstat output: tcp RecQ:0 SendQ:0 myhost:sunrpc 202.143.154.83:moira_db ESTABLISHED pid/program: 10827/portmap <--- have i been hacked?
18:50<fralle>connection is ESTABLISHED...
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19:46<johny>Hello all, I had a quick question about using unstable kernels with Debian testing. I am using the Liquorix kernel 2.6.36 with Debian testing. Do you guys think this is safe to mix an unstable kernel with testing?
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19:49<abrotman>it's your kernel, we can't decide for you
19:49<retrospectacus>johny: it'll probably be OK - try it and see. If not just keep the old one in grub
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19:50<johny>Okay thank you. I have been running the liquorix kernel for about 2 weeks now and things are really fast. I also get about another hour of battery on this Eee PC. I ran a command to remove all kernels except the currently running one, how can I get the 2.6.32 to fall back on if I never need it?
19:50<abrotman>johny: aptitude install linux-image-2.6-<arch> .. unless liquorix also uses that naming convention
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19:53<johny>Alright I'll give it a try. Thanks guys
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19:53<heinzes>is there a better/more correct method of setting the environment for all users and interactive and non-interactive (bash) shells than appending to /etc/bash.bashrc?
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20:04<amakusa>hello, has anyone here been able to record the desktop with properly synchronized sound lately? I've tried for two weeks now with no luck
20:05<abrotman>which app?
20:06<amakusa>recordmydesktop, byzanz, xvidcap, istanbul, vlc and ffmpeg
20:06<amakusa>those are the packages I've tried with
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20:43<katsrc>i'm having some issues with Iceweasel, it just hangs when it's exiting and consumes around 50% of the resources.
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20:43<katsrc>usually the firefox-bin process
20:43<katsrc>or related xul process
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21:37<rpgdude>i would like to migrate my debian system to raid1 and lvm with disk encryption
21:37<rpgdude>what is the best way to do this
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22:30<rpgdude>should i migrate to LVM first
22:30<rpgdude>then worry about raid1 after?
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22:33<cthuluh>rpgdude: you're doing raid -> encryption -> lvm right?
22:34<cthuluh>you should probably set up raid first, since you need /boot to be outside the encrypted partition
22:35<Habstinat>So I'm trying to install Debian. I used the same CD to install it on a different computer, so the data is burned correctly. When I put the CD in on my other computer though running Windows 7, right away I get an error about the installer, saying that it can't find the C: drive or something along those lines. I chose to continue anyways. The install completed and there were no more hiccups, and then it asked me to reboot. I chose
22:36<cthuluh>rpgdude: please read this: http://www.debian-administration.org/article/How_To_Migrate_to_a_full_encrypted_LVM_system
22:36<rpgdude>cthuluh: ah ok
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22:36<rpgdude>how do i do this without losing any data?
22:36<cthuluh>I have never performed this kind of operation
22:37<cthuluh>Habstinat: your post was truncated
22:37<Habstinat>cthuluh: At what point did it stop for you?
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22:39<Habstinat>cthuluh: Here it is right after "and then it asked me to reboot.":
22:39<Habstinat>"I chose "Reboot Now", and my computer took an abnormally long but not rediculously long time to shut off. When I rebooted, I was presented with both the Debian Installer and Windows 7 at the boot screen. When I try to select the Debian installer, I get http://oi52.tinypic.com/2a8n37l.jpg, and then I am forced to choose again.
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22:41<cthuluh>weird
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22:43<cthuluh>Habstinat: you didn't reboot the computer before installing?
22:44<Habstinat>cthuluh: For some reason, I can't seem to get any other OS installed on this laptop. It's a ThinkPad W700ds. cthuluh: What do you mean? I rebooted before using the installation program for Windows.
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22:46<cthuluh>that's what I don't understand: "installation program for windows"?
22:46<Habstinat>cthuluh: I tried to install Ubuntu as well, but I was only able to get it running via Wubi (which I don't want to do in the long run) and even after posting my problem to 5 different help sites nobody was able to get anywhere
22:46<cthuluh>you can install debian while running windows?
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22:47<Habstinat>cthuluh: If you're in Windows and you pop the CD in, a program will pop up that basically sets everything up for you and when you reboot, the true Debian installer will be part of the Windows bootloader (I think?) and from there, you can do whatever you want.
22:48<cthuluh>yes, that's what I am reading
22:48<rpgdude>cthuluh: i think i can setup raid1 on a new disk and setup encrypted lvm
22:48<rpgdude>then copy my files from my old drive
22:49<rpgdude>then add the old drive to the raid1 array
22:49<cthuluh>rpgdude: exactly
22:49<rpgdude>this is assuming i can create a raid1 with just one disk
22:49<rpgdude>i dont see why not
22:50<rpgdude>do you think i should upgrade to squeeze before attempting this?
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22:52<cthuluh>rpgdude: yes
22:52<cthuluh>and yes you can create an raid 1 array with only one drive
22:53<Habstinat>cthuluh: So what's your opinion? I ran a couple hardware tests a week ago and they all passed, so that can't be the issue.
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22:54<cthuluh>I don't have any, Habstinat. I've never dealt with windows's mbr
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22:56<Habstinat>cthuluh: The recurring problem I had when I tried to install Ubuntu was that I couldn't boot from anything. Not a CD, not a USB, anything. I don't think it's a problem with the MBR.
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22:57<cthuluh>Habstinat: if I were you, I: 1) would try to recover my windaube install with a windaube CD. 2) would boot windows and make some free space for debian. then "unfragment" my windows partition. 3) boot the debian CD and install from it. 4) enjoy debian
22:58<cthuluh>but if you have a tied up machine, this is going to be hard
22:59<cthuluh>Habstinat: I've never seen any of them, but some vendors design their bioses in order not to boot any other OS than the one sold with the hardware
23:00<cthuluh>one friend told me that he could unlock his machine flashing the bios
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23:01<Habstinat>cthuluh: I've researched it, and other people with W700ds were able to boot into Ubuntu at least, and seemingly they didn't have to jump through as many hoops as I am.
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23:03<cthuluh>omg that's *huge* http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:W700ds :>
23:04<Habstinat>cthuluh: Yup, I don't travel much with it though except across the room, so it's perfect for me.
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23:06<Habstinat>cthuluh: Also, I'm not quite clear on what "Windaube" is?
23:06<cthuluh>Habstinat: can you boot from the debian install cd ?
23:06<cthuluh>Habstinat: it's a french slang word for "windows"
23:06<Habstinat>cthuluh: It would go against everything I've researched so far if I could, but I'll try it anyways.
23:06<cthuluh>Habstinat: "daube" means "crap"
23:07<Habstinat>cthuluh: :P
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23:35<Habstinat>cthuluh: So the CD won't boot, even after changing boot order in BIOS.
23:35<cthuluh>sad
23:35<cthuluh>did you try with an usb medium?
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23:38<Habstinat>cthuluh: Not Debian, but I tried Ubuntu. The regular Ubuntu installer wouldn't boot at all from USB, but the "alternate installer" that's text based and meant for older machines did boot. However, about halfway through the install I got a fatal error about not having a kernel, it was really weird. I took a picture of it, and the people at #ubuntu just told me to abort the installation at that point, so I did.
23:38<cthuluh>that's a shame
23:39<cthuluh>Habstinat: do you still have the picture?
23:39<Habstinat>cthuluh: Yes, one second...
23:41<Habstinat>cthuluh: http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4086/5175145635_50c66970ba_b.jpg
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23:44<cthuluh>Habstinat: were you able to configure networking before reaching this point?
23:45<Habstinat>cthuluh: In what way, like a unetbootin?
23:45<cthuluh>no, I mean...
23:45<cthuluh>I don't know the ubuntu installer, but it should ask things to the user, right?
23:46<Habstinat>cthuluh: Yes.
23:46<cthuluh>perhaps try to start it in "expert mode"
23:46<Habstinat>cthuluh: There is no such mode. The alternate installer (what I was using) is as expert as it gets.
23:46<cthuluh>and go to the fouth virtual console (Alt+F4) to see debugging info
23:46<cthuluh>ok
23:47<cthuluh>also, if your laptop is recent, you should try to install using the squeeze installation media
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23:47<Habstinat>cthuluh: That is something I could try. Unfortunately I have to go right now, really sorry. Perhaps we could catch up on this tomorrow?
23:48<cthuluh>why not?
23:49<Habstinat>cthuluh: Thanks for all your help so far. I should be able to get back on in about 9 hours.
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