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00:12<engineer>hi can anybody tell me what gets return when connection to oracle db disconects due to wrong username and password......I need to check for that condition and print a message
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01:33<seanius_>xdissent: yes, but haven't had to use it in a while
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01:58<bluenemo>does anybody here has experience with GSM terminals & AT commands?
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02:05<the-dude>bluenemo: yeah but its a while ago
02:08<bluenemo>the-dude, i want to build a car computer. i have a umts modem so i know my way around AT commands.. my problem is that i cant decide which model to but for a GSM terminal. i want to dial and recieve phone calls & send and recieve sms.
02:09<bluenemo>i found some from Siemens, some from fastrack and so on.. is there one you know of that isnt to expencive and is most likely bought by linux freaks?
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02:10<the-dude>bluenemo: I have a siemens device
02:11<the-dude>bluenemo: I have this one http://www.tec.nl/scripts/prodView.asp?idProduct=87
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02:11<the-dude>But you should be able to get something cheaper with a bit of hardware hacking I guess
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02:12<bluenemo>the-dude, ah the mc-35.. saw that one too.. yeah i didnt wanted to spend more than 50 $ or so..
02:12<the-dude>bluenemo: then you have to hack something yourself
02:13<bluenemo>hm ok. well i dont need a new one, thought about ebay or so.. what is a usual price for sth like your device?
02:13<the-dude>perhaps a arduino with gsm shield?
02:13*bluenemo googleling for it (arduino)
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02:14<seanius_>arduino is really fun to hack on
02:14<the-dude>bluenemo: you could use a normal old gsm aswell
02:14<bluenemo>that is one nice idea :D
02:14<bluenemo>(arduino)
02:14<the-dude>arduino++++
02:16<the-dude>http://www.cooking-hacks.com/index.php/shop/arduino/arduino-gprs-module.html
02:16<bluenemo>but i am not shure if i want to make up so much time for it.. i thought about writing a few scripts with the AT commands and good for it.. but nice idea, got it bookmarked :D
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02:17<bluenemo>but dam it this thing is much too cool not to hack around with :D
02:17*the-dude has several arduino's
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02:19<bluenemo>hm ok. then i'll need to think about weather i want to spend much more time for a much cooler project. if i decide against it, do you think those siemens devices (like yours and the m1) will do the trick for me?
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02:20<the-dude>the siemens device works out of the box
02:22<bluenemo>ok thank you a lot for your input!! :D
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02:30<mercutio22>I want to start automatically a daemon that updates dynamic dns called ddclient. I already set it up properly. Which would be better, to insert at line at gnome's startup applications or schedule with something like cron? or neither?
02:30<sney>cron is really the best way to run something non-interactive on a schedule
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02:31<sney>especially with debian's setup, where you can just toss a shell script into cron.daily or whatever is your preference and you're done
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02:32<jm_>mercutio22: ehh? it already adds itself in ip-up.d, is this not enough?
02:32<mercutio22>jm_: it does? well great!
02:32<mercutio22>=]
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02:32<mercutio22>sney: thanks for the suggestion anyway
02:33<jm_>mercutio22: ahh for ppp only, maybe you need to add it for other methods too, but then again, this probably won't work if you use network-manager or somesuch
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02:33<mercutio22>jm_: I think I do use network-manager
02:34<jm_>mercutio22: does it have its own options to do the same?
02:34<mercutio22>jm_: what do you mean the same?
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02:35<jm_>mercutio22: if-up stuff
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02:36<mercutio22>jm_: I don't know.. its a gui.
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02:36<mercutio22>jm_: I know you can start and stop interfaces...
02:37<mercutio22>jm_: network interfaces I mean
02:37<mercutio22>like, wireless and ethernet
02:37<jm_>mercutio22: is there anything in /usr/share/doc/network-manager/README.Debian?
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02:38<jm_>it mentions some ifupdown plugin
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02:39<mercutio22>jm_: yes, interesting. Indeed it says theres a daemon that deals with the ifupdown stuff and a graphical applet
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02:43<mercutio22>jm_: maybe I should just start ddclient after network manager has completed its job
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02:44<mercutio22>question is, can I start ddclient, which requires root privileges using gnome's startup application?
02:47<mercutio22>maybe it doesn't matter
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02:50<mercutio22>I could try and include the call in a startup script
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02:59<mercutio22>Nevermind! ddclient adds a startup script at /etc/init.d !
02:59<mercutio22>awesome
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03:11<bluenemo>the-dude, do you think this here would be the right thing to buy for me (instead of say a siemensm mc-35) http://www.cooking-hacks.com/index.php/arduino-dualband-mobile-pack.html
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03:16<twb>For creating an autonomous SSL hierarchy for in-house use, should I be using CA.pl, openssl(1), certtool, or what?
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03:19<the-dude>bluenemo: sending sms with it should be easy
03:19<bluenemo>and phone calls?
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03:19<bluenemo>those will be the more important stuff. sms are basicly for the car to tell me 'sbd just stole me'
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03:27<bluenemo>the-dude, ping :)
03:28<the-dude>bluenemo: im not sure about speech
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03:29<bluenemo>the-dude, ok thanks a lot for your opinion
03:29<the-dude>bluenemo: I think it will be able to call, but im not sure if it has a microphone
03:29<bluenemo>i think i'll contact the website first and ask
03:30<bluenemo>does phone calls work with the siemens device? does this have a microphone?
03:30<bluenemo>thought the voice would go via serial as well..?
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03:33<bluenemo>@ the-dude (sorry for not adding it)
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03:52<the-dude>bluenemo: dunno only used it for sending sms
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04:03<bluenemo_>the-dude, oh ok thx for the information
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04:04<bluenemo_>i'll go out to get more info then. dam it if everything fails i'll dig out my old openmoko xD
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04:07<willemb>I am trying to graph dns response time with munin. after some tweaking, it seems to at least try. the website says it does not work with 9.6 under lenny. what are my options?
04:07<willemb>by 9.6, i mean bind
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04:40<BlackFate>its there any way to add a progress bar to find command?
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04:44<rudi_s>BlackFate: No.
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04:47<pfui>silly question, but if a package is out of sync with upstream, do i email the maintainer or file a bug report?
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04:47<dondelelcaro>pfui: you can do either one
04:47<dondelelcaro>pfui: but check to make sure there isn't a bug report about it already
04:47<pfui>ok, thanks
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05:04<OsirisX>is a Makefile just a shell script?
05:05<rudi_s>OsirisX: No.
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05:05<rudi_s>But it can run shell commands. Check Wikipedia (or any other guid for Makefiles).
05:05<OsirisX>rudi_s: does that mean I can't use an if-then-else-fi construction in it?
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05:06<rudi_s>OsirisX: You can, but only in the command part of the Makefile (intended with a tab).
05:06<rudi_s>(GNU make has some extensions.)
05:06<rudi_s>*supporting real ifs.
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05:08<OsirisX>rudi_s: ahh ok so in the same place I would be issuing shell commands
05:08<rudi_s>OsirisX: Yes.
05:08<OsirisX>rudi_s: thanks
05:08<rudi_s>np
05:09<OsirisX>rudi_s: I was confused by gedit's sporadic syntax highlighting (it is treating the file as a Makefile but some if statements are recognised and others are not)
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05:10<rudi_s>OsirisX: I don't know gedit. But basically everything indented with a Tab is a shell command.
05:10<rudi_s>So you can use if-then-else-fi there.
05:10<OsirisX>rudi_s: ok
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05:31<screenn>I've installed xen at squeeze/amd64 distr by wiki debian howto
05:32<screenn>that's a problem, I still don't have 4+ GB ram, and server can't up after remote reboot command
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05:35<screenn>but when I boot xen from distribution install grub menu I can see 4 GB, but xen isn't running in this case
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05:39<screenn>thereis difference in grub menu options - http://paste.debian.net/102032/
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05:42<venom00>hello, what's the best place to ask something about iptables?
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05:42<petemc>if you're using debian you can ask here
05:42<screenn>hardware - Intel(R) Pentium(R) CPU G6950@2.80GHz with 4 gm ram
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05:44<venom00>hello, is it possible with iptables to redirect packets coming from a certain userid towards a specfic gateway (ignoring routing tables)?
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05:44<jm_>venom00: it's possible to do this AFAIK
05:45<jm_>using owner module in iptables and advanced routing concepts
05:45<venom00>jm_, could you point me out how? I've trying for a while without results
05:45<venom00>the obscure part are "advanced routing concepets"
05:46<jm_>venom00: did you read advanced routing howto? tried lartc channel?
05:46<screenn>jm_ did you use xen, isn't it?
05:47<jm_>screenn: no, I use things like qemu or virtualbox if I need virtualization
05:47<venom00>jm_, don't know both of them
05:47<jm_>venom00: http://lartc.org/
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05:48<screenn>jm_ I use vbox too, but it looks scared for server's solutions
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05:48<jm_>screenn: how so?
05:48<screenn>like for me
05:48<screenn>they changed admin commands all the time
05:48<screenn>so, I'm trying to create vm by console commands and can't because commands doesn't work anymore!
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05:49<jm_>i only started using that recently, but noticed some weirdness already - it doesn't look like it's tested that well
05:49<screenn>yeah
05:50<screenn>jm_ how about xen - I'm sure it's tested good
05:51<screenn>but I've some problems in xen, for example with xm migrate commands, it's just doesn't work,
05:51<jm_>screenn: I never used it
05:52<screenn>now with boot amd64 xen kernel with support 4+ ram and safe remote reboot server :(
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05:53<classical>can anyone help me to use this device on my linux ? http://www.dhgate.com/msr-reader-for-retail-membership-points-program/p-ff808081295f463e0129629881ba36f5.html
05:56<mjt>damn. is there *any* terminal emulator that does not suck? :)
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05:57<venom00>jm_, so first I use MARK in iptables and then make something like "ip rule add from all fwmark", right?
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06:02<jm_>venom00: that's what I would try yes
06:03<venom00>jm_, OK, one last thing, is there a way to print somewhere which packets are being marked?
06:03<venom00>because otherwise debugging is very hard
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06:04<jm_>venom00: you can create a "mark and log chain"
06:04<venom00>ok, thanks
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06:07<jm_>no worries
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06:12<gil-galad>hello
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06:14<gil-galad>is there away to make rename make substitution to all occurences he find and not only the first when you use the 's/pattern/replacement/' ?
06:15<jm_>gil-galad: you mean prename?
06:15<gil-galad>uu
06:15<jm_>ahh it's an alternative, but I suppose it is set to prename
06:15<gil-galad>no
06:16<gil-galad>i mean the rename command
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06:16<jm_>if it is then .../g does the job
06:16<naiwa>hello
06:16<gil-galad>where do i put the /g ?
06:17<jm_>/foo/bar/g
06:17<venom00>jm_, I'm unsure on what mark put, I'm afraid of conflicts
06:17<gil-galad>jm_: thanks i'll try that
06:18<naiwa>You're talking?
06:18<naiwa>怎么进 CN阿 ?
06:18<gil-galad>jm_ : thanks very much, it worked indeed !
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06:19<naiwa>谁能告诉我怎么进CN频道 谢谢了
06:19<jm_>gil-galad: no worries
06:19<jm_>!cn
06:19<dpkg>cn is, like, China, or for help in chinese please join irc.oftc.net #debian-zh, Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see http://tinyurl.com/8yrj9 | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读
06:19<screenn>jm_ maybe you familiar with grub2? :-)
06:20<naiwa>http://www.naiwa.tk
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06:20<jm_>screenn: somewhat
06:20<screenn>http://paste.debian.net/102032/
06:21<screenn>first run with 4+ gb, second not
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06:21<screenn>jm_ do you know why I asked you?
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06:21<jm_>screenn: no
06:22<screenn>cause jm_ the best helper what I know at this channel!
06:22<jm_>screenn: but I have no clue about xen, sorry
06:22<screenn>I know dude
06:22<screenn>never mind about xen anyway
06:23<screenn>how about a grub2?
06:23<screenn>is it clear why my boot options run same kernel with 4+ ram and without?
06:24<jm_>what exactly is the difference in behaviour?
06:24<screenn>no differenct I though
06:24<screenn>*difference
06:24<jm_>so both work then or what?
06:24<screenn>yeah it both works
06:25<jm_>but?
06:25<screenn>but first can't run xen
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06:25<screenn>I told above
06:26<screenn>ok, thanks anyway, will try google some time yet
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06:38<detly>this might sound a bit strange, but I need a debian package for the 2.6.18-6 486i386 kernel
06:38<detly>I *think* it might be an old etch package...?
06:38<detly>is there somewhere I can start looking?
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06:42<jm_>you can find old packages on the archive site
06:42<jm_>!archive
06:42<dpkg>hmm... archive is a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation. Debian Archives is the repository for old Debian releases, see http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive . For the package archive, ask me about <snapshot>. Old Debian <ISO> files are archived at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/
06:43<detly>aha, thanks - I only knew about snapshot.debian
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06:44<mjt>detly: out of curiocity, why do you want that kernel?
06:44<mjt>it has lots of security issues...
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06:45<detly>I have a ten year old server with a rocketraid 2210 epci card, and the most recent rr2210 driver is for the 2.6.18 kernel...
06:45<uday>installed squeeze beta1
06:45<detly>it will boot into windows server, but I want to make an image of the entire drive(s)
06:46<detly>so my plan is to build a live (usb) distro and go from there
06:46<uday>trying to setup repositories in synaptic but not getting the dialog box to setup
06:46<mjt>detly: oh ok i see. complex ;)
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06:47<detly>mjt - there may have been unkind words, yes :P
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06:47<detly>plan b is to take each drive out of the raid array, make an image of each, and hope for the best (I think it's all mirroring, so that should be okay)
06:48<uday>can you help
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06:52<mjt>detly: it might have some metadata at the _beginning_ of the drives
06:52<detly>ah nuts
06:52<mjt>still should be possible to recover
06:53<mjt>you'll have to find the mbr
06:53<detly>well, if I'm just using dd (or pv), and copy the entire device, it should be trivial to restore it to it's current state, right?
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06:57<rootjack>hello
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06:58<rootjack>hello world
06:58<twb>detly: if the image was coherent when you copied it, yes.
06:59<rootjack>ok thanks for respon
06:59<detly>twb: that's what I thought
06:59<twb>rootjack: hey Mac, I'm talkin' to th' lady.
07:00<rootjack>i am newbie in here
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07:01<rootjack>hello
07:01<twb>Where can I go for gnutls help?
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07:04<rootjack>come on for chat in here for share knowledge
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07:06<rootjack>can you help me
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07:08<nightzpy>Hi, someone can help me with lighttp trouble in debian?
07:08<rootjack>what can i help you
07:08<mjt>lighttp has their own channel
07:09<nightzpy>What it's the lighttp channel?
07:10<mjt>#lighttpd on freenode
07:10<nightzpy>mjt: thanks!
07:10<rootjack>i am sorry i can't for lighttp chanel ! may be in the clear for that
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07:26<julianwilliams>hello
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07:26<julianwilliams>anyone here prepared to give some suggestions on an issue i'm having with apache virtual hosts?
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07:30<flaggy>hello. I've got ldap and pam configured and running, but gnome-screensaver doesn't work with it. I've tried coping what's in /etc/pam.d/gdm3 to /etc/pam.d/gnome-screensaver, but still no luck :(
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07:59<pachu>how to change file permissions?
07:59<pachu>GUI or Terminal
07:59<pachu>!dpkg /msg the bot
08:00<pachu>dpkg
08:00<pachu>!hi
08:00<dpkg>hello, pachu
08:00<pachu>dpkg
08:00<pachu>dpkg file permission
08:01<pachu>any one?
08:01<pachu>!!\
08:01<petemc>!tell pachu about permissions
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08:05<venom00>hello, on debian I can't find /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/rule-eth0
08:06<venom00>is there a matching file?
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08:07<petemc>venom00: look in /etc/network/
08:08<venom00>petemc, should I create a rule-eth0 file in that folder?
08:08<venom00>I want to save an "ip rule" command
08:09<petemc>you can put that in /etc/network/interfaces as an 'up' line, man interfaces
08:09<venom00>thanks a lot
08:10<pachu>any one from ECE?
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08:12<paolo>clear
08:12<paolo>del
08:12<paolo>delete
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08:16<venom00>petemc, how can I make effective changes to interfaces file?
08:16<venom00>do they work instantly or should I restart some service?
08:17<petemc>you can do /etc/init.d/networking restart , or bring the interface down and back up with ifdown/ifup
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08:18<venom00>what's the difference with ifconfig * up/down?
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08:19<petemc>ifup/down are single purpose tools
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08:20<jm_>they can also setup other stuff, like default gateway, and run configured commands etc.
08:20<venom00>petemc, ok, thanks for you patience
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08:30<pachu>cannot play facebook video's in iceweasel
08:30<pachu>?
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08:33<venom00>what the hell is going on? I've added eth0 to /etc/netowork/interafaces and now a new interface appeared (eth1) and eth0 doesn't work anymore
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08:46<venom00>yes, seems to work! thanks a lot jm_ and petemc!
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09:09<Yasmin>kien eres?¿
09:10<Yasmin>holaaa¡
09:10<Ganneff>!es
09:10<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
09:11<Yasmin>ok¡
09:12<Yasmin>hello,who are you?
09:13<Yasmin>my name is yasmin¡¡
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09:19<Yasmin>hola
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09:19<Yasmin>ahy alguien ahi??¿¿¿¡
09:19<Yasmin>joder¡¡
09:20<Yasmin>eh..
09:20<Yasmin>--
09:20<Yasmin>venga ya¡¡
09:20<Yasmin>mierda¡¡
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09:21<Yasmin>ahh...
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09:22<Dirty_Snipe>hi all
09:22<Yasmin>hi¡
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09:22<Dirty_Snipe>quick question linux nubin here. Can you have two var's say one on two seperate drives?
09:23<Ganneff>what?
09:23<Dirty_Snipe>let me try and explain
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09:24<Dirty_Snipe>i have 2x 250GB sata on a mirror
09:24<Dirty_Snipe>i want to use this for os and installing general software
09:24<Dirty_Snipe>i also have 3x 1TB sas on a raid 5
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09:25<Dirty_Snipe>i want to run website files just from these drives
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09:25<Dirty_Snipe>pref the mysql and apache on os drive
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09:25<Dirty_Snipe>but the web files located on SAS
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09:26<Ganneff>so you want to mount the SAS stuff at /somewhere and point your servers documentroot there
09:26<Yasmin>i'm Yasmin,and only Spanish,but I say hi to all¡¡
09:26<Dirty_Snipe>document root?
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09:27<Ganneff>Yasmin: goto #debian-es
09:27<Ganneff>Dirty_Snipe: the setting in your server from where it gets its data it shows to the user
09:27<Dirty_Snipe>Ganneff: i just want web files on the sas
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09:27<Vivelavidawappa>Hi
09:27<Ganneff>Dirty_Snipe: yes. so tell your server they are there and place them there
09:27<Vivelavidawappa>My name is Kelly Rowland
09:28<Vivelavidawappa>:)
09:28<Yasmin>speak slowly,please¡¡
09:28<Yasmin>hello¡¡
09:28<Vivelavidawappa>What?
09:28<Ganneff>Yasmin: GOTO #debian-es
09:28<Vivelavidawappa>Hello!
09:28<Dirty_Snipe>Ganneff: what about partitions?
09:28<Vivelavidawappa>:)
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09:28<Ganneff>Dirty_Snipe: whats with them?
09:28<Dirty_Snipe>what type would it need to be?
09:28<Ganneff>Dirty_Snipe: whatever you want it to be
09:29<Vivelavidawappa>My fans speak whit me and they say now here :D
09:29<Dirty_Snipe>Ganneff: lol im still confused
09:29<Yasmin>jaja¡
09:29<Ganneff>Vivelavidawappa: what do you want?
09:29-!-Vivelavidawappa is now known as Kelly
09:29<Kelly>Nothing
09:30<Yasmin>nothing¡
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09:31<Kelly>no Yasmin you are my fan?
09:31<@Ganneff>Kelly: this is no chat channel. goto #moocows or wherever else, this here is only debian support.
09:31<Kelly>Yasmin you are my fan?
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09:43<pabs>how would I debug my laptop screen not turning on after I open the lid? happens in both X and on virtual consoles. using an intel i915
09:46<darkhawk_>mm
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09:58<jspiros_>I'm confused about linux versioning in Debian unstable/testing... where is >2.6.32? Are changes backported to 2.6.32, and that is why I have things like 2.6.32-27, 2.6.32-28, etc.?
10:00<pabs>>2.6.32 is in experimental. some fixes are backported to 2.6.32
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10:45<Keessince1988>testing.... ping.....
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10:45<Keessince1988>anyone?
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10:46<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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11:12<smv>Is there some document describing how to use packages from experimental in a "safe" way? I only need one package, kolab-webclient, altough I think only from time to time, but would like to see when it's updated via aptitude update, not checking manually.
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11:22<themill>smv: you need to pin experimental at a level between 101 and the pinning level of your regular release (presumably sid, since it's not sane to mix experimental with anything other than sid).
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11:39<laurus>Is anyone else having a problem with the Debian Squeeze beta2 installer locking at the opening screen?
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12:50<umberto> /msg ChanServ register #schmid femliy schmid
12:51<umberto>schmid
12:51<umberto>ciao
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12:51<umberto>ciao
12:52<umberto>conect shcmid
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12:59<retrospectacus>aww cute, a whole channel of italian idiots
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13:08<OsirisX>ok crazy question time - is it possible to "overload" your /tmp declarations in /etc/fstab in the same way you can have multiple swap files with different priorities?
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13:23<valdyn>OsirisX: no
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13:24<valdyn>OsirisX: but you can use raid, which happens in a different layer
13:25<OsirisX>valdyn: hmmm my thought process had not even gone down that route. But I guess then LVM would be the answer
13:25<valdyn>OsirisX: question is though why anyone would use /tmp for anything that needs that
13:25<valdyn>OsirisX: no, lvm is not the answer
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13:25<OsirisX>valdyn: surely LVM would allow you to extend the /tmp partition
13:26<valdyn>OsirisX: so?
13:26<EmleyMoor>I'm still having trouble with the WiFi on my laptop... it seems to work fine for seconds only, then it becomes unable to reach or be reached by anything
13:26<OsirisX>valdyn: that 's why I'm doing it, what reason had you understood before?
13:26<valdyn>OsirisX: thats only one part of what having multiple swaps does
13:26<valdyn>OsirisX: your /tmp should not need to be huge
13:27<EmleyMoor>It seems to stall especially when I try to use scp
13:27<valdyn>OsirisX: i dont know what you need really, having a huge amount of data in /tmp is a stupid idea
13:27<OsirisX>valdyn: my issues Is when I transcode 1080p video files on the fly, my DLNA UPNP media server fills space like anybody's business
13:28<valdyn>OsirisX: so your dlna upnp server is doing this stupid thing i guess
13:28<valdyn>OsirisX: can you not configure that server to use a proper place for its temporary files?
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13:29<OsirisX>on a 1080p video file the bitrate is huge so the buffer associated with it is large
13:29<valdyn>OsirisX: ( that doesnt really change your issue, but /tmp is stupid )
13:29<OsirisX>valdyn: not sure why you /tmp is a stupid place for a temporary file
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13:30<valdyn>OsirisX: because if its huge, then it takes a huge time to write, which is wasted when tmp is cleared
13:31<valdyn>OsirisX: but thats beside your problem anyway
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13:31<OsirisX>valdyn: I understand - but in this case it is true transient buffer file - saving it has no purpose
13:31<EmleyMoor>I get one burst of scp, then it stalls
13:32<valdyn>EmleyMoor: broken router
13:32<OsirisX>valdyn: anyway i think I will use tmpfs for /tmp and increase my swap space by tacking on some more partitions
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13:32<EmleyMoor>valdyn: Not likely... but will check
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13:33<jester>my virt-manager is unable to connect to libvirtd on my local machine. libvirtd is running. does anyone know why this is happening or how to fix it
13:33<valdyn>OsirisX: i wonder if that will make sense performance-wise.. probably
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13:33<valdyn>OsirisX: but probably not...
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13:34<OsirisX>valdyn: I'm not 100% sure, but I'm hoping that the swapping algorithm is smart enough to write straight to swap when it makes sense rather than doing something silly like write to memory and swap something else out
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13:35<EmleyMoor>Not the router. Getting one burst, stall.p
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13:38<EmleyMoor>Have had to plug the wired in - if wireless still plays up elsewhere, I don't know what I'm going to do - have already replaced the card once, due to a different fault
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13:43<EmleyMoor>Wireless seems to work well when machine is fresh on
13:46<EmleyMoor>Is iwlagn prone to going wrong based on uptime?
13:46<cusco>hi
13:47<cusco>im looking for a easy to use command line html parser
13:47<cusco>I want to take out chunks of text in a padron'ed way..
13:47<cusco>any sugestions?
13:49<EmleyMoor>You want to do html to plain text?
13:49<cusco>I don't think so, no
13:49<cusco>but what tool would do that?
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13:50<EmleyMoor>Can you explain a bit more clearly what it is you want to do?
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13:50<EmleyMoor>lynx -dump "some-URL" > text-file
13:50<cusco>ah yes, lynx dump
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13:51<cusco>this page has some stuff that I want to parse.. some tables and some stuff inside the <td> changing is only, images and text data...
13:51<cusco>gah nevermind.. I will go with cut sed and so on...
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14:01<rootjack>hallo
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14:02<Gudahtt>I'm having some peculiar problems with iceweasel, and didn't really know where to ask for help
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14:04<retrospectacus>Gudahtt, if you are using debian you can ask here, no guarantees of course
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14:04<Gudahtt>the search occasionaly stops working
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14:04<Gudahtt>and sometimes I can't click on buttons on web pages, that stops working
14:05<Gudahtt>like on google.com, the "google search" button, I click and there's no response
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14:05<Gudahtt>also the back and forward button stop working
14:05<Gudahtt>apparently randomly
14:05<jhutchins_lt>Gudahtt: Is it taking close to 100% CPU?
14:05<retrospectacus>it probably ate all your RAM and you should kill and restart it (not saving tabs). I know, it's annoying.
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14:06<Gudahtt>nope it's not taking up much of my CUP
14:06<retrospectacus>Gudahtt: yeah watch "top" or add a CPU graph to your panel to see
14:06<Gudahtt>CPU*
14:07<Gudahtt>hmm
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14:07<Gudahtt>according to top, 95% of my CPU is taken up my gnuchess
14:07<Gudahtt>no idea what that is
14:07<Gudahtt>by*
14:08<mjt>you don't know what's gnuchess?
14:08<Gudahtt>yeah
14:08<mjt>it's a game of chess, and it's unlikely it gets started by its own
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14:09<Gudahtt>indeed
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14:10<Gudahtt>well alright, I'll just restart iceweasel if that ever happens again
14:10<Gudahtt>just didn't know how to react to such a strange error, never seen that kinda thing happen before
14:11<mjt>who starts gnuchess on your computer?
14:11<Gudahtt>only I use this computer, and I've never played it
14:11<Gudahtt>so no idea, I just killed it
14:12<mjt>so who owns this computer? Or 0wns?
14:12<Gudahtt>me
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14:12<mjt>does not look like that :)
14:13<Gudahtt>:p
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14:13<Gudahtt>I just assumed I opened it once and exit, and it decided not to actually terminate
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14:15<Kyon0>Hi :)
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14:24<jhutchins_lt>Gudahtt: Which iceweasel are you running?
14:24<jhutchins_lt>(Not that it appeasr to matter if it was gnuchess that was hogging the CPU)
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14:26<Gudahtt>3.0.6
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14:26<Gudahtt>and it might matter after all, gnuchess is no more, but yet I cannot start iceweasel :/
14:26<Hooch>Hello all
14:27<Gudahtt>just tried to restart it and such, as suggested, and now it won't come back
14:28<Gudahtt>pops up "Starting iceweasel web browser..." then it dissapears
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14:30<retrospectacus>Gudahtt start it on the command line so you can see output
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14:31<Gudahtt>mmk
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14:32<Gudahtt>(firefox-bin:527): GnomeUI-WARNING **: While connecting to session manager:
14:32<Gudahtt>Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed.
14:32<Gudahtt>Segmentation fault
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14:50<sdk>Relatively new to actually RUNNING an IRC server. I've set up one for my local group to talk more easily, but some people are asking if there's a web client they can use. I did some research and it seems that I have to add somethign to the server, there is no _web_ client per se. I'm not sure where to start, I'm running Apache2 and hybrid ircd. Can anyone offer me suggestions?
14:51<retrospectacus>sdk: if your server is on a public IP you can send them to another web client like um mibbit or something
14:51<retrospectacus>you don't need to host your own web client
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14:54<oskie_>for some reason, dpkg goes into 'disk sleep' when trying to upgrade dash. I'm currently copying files to an USB disk. Why should that affect dpkg?
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14:56<oskie_>ah it's bug #606341
14:57<oskie_>ubuntu bug that is
14:57<sdk>retrospectacus: Ah, it is not. This has to remain internal only, unfortunately.
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14:59<joshlukas>Hello. Can someone please help me setting up firewire under squeeze?
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15:01<retrospectacus>sdk: then you'll need apache2 and a web application that is a IRC client, I'm sure there are a few available
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15:01<kd123>does anyone know the command to make debootstrap fetch its packages from an iso instead of downloading them?
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15:06<kd123>im trying to use debootstrap without a network connection
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15:08<cthuluh>kd123: read man debootstrap
15:11<retrospectacus>sdk, you may look into the cgiirc deb package, or download from qwebirc.org
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15:11<kd123>cthuluh: yeah I just figured it out :D thanks
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15:14<kd123>if anyone wants to know you just mount your iso: 'mount -o loop debian.iso Desktop/temp_disk'... then direct debootstrap: 'debootstrap squeeze file:///home/user/Desktop/temp_disk' :)
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15:15<brotherman>hey!
15:16<retrospectacus>hey
15:16<brotherman>how are you doing?
15:16<retrospectacus>hungry. I'm leaving for lunch now. bye
15:16<brotherman>okay see ya@
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15:19<sdk>retrospectacus: Beauty, thanks man. What search terms did you use to find them?
15:20<retrospectacus>I googled "irc webapp" and apt-cache searched "web irc".
15:20<retrospectacus>I am actually going for lunch now though.. bbl :)
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15:22<odd>is there a debian testing network install?
15:22<odd>nvm
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15:29<joshlukas>lspci -knn -> Kernel driver in use: firewire_ohci but still firewire is not working. please help.
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15:43<Gudahtt>my iceweasel for some reason can start again now
15:44<Gudahtt>but the problems I described earlier are still present
15:44<Gudahtt>unusable search bar, etc.
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15:52<krzysztof>hi all
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15:57<jhutchins_lt>Gudahtt: What release are you running?
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15:59<Gudahtt>jhutchins_lt: Lenny
15:59<jhutchins_lt>It sounds like you've corrupted your ~/.mozilla/ files.
16:00<jhutchins_lt>,versions iceweasel
16:00<judd>Package iceweasel on i386 -- etch: 2.0.0.19-0etch1; etch-security: 2.0.0.19-0etch1; lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; lenny-backports: 3.5.15-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 3.5.15-1; sid: 3.5.16-1; experimental: 3.6.13-1
16:00<Gudahtt>hmm
16:01<jhutchins_lt>Gudahtt: Try renaming that folder.
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16:02<Gudahtt>ok
16:04<jhutchins_lt>(shut down all firefox windows and make sure you don't have any hung processes first.)
16:05<Gudahtt>it would show up as the process xulrunner right?
16:05<Gudahtt>it won't start, I'm getting the same error I got before when I couldn't start it
16:05<Gudahtt>(firefox-bin:1005): GnomeUI-WARNING **: While connecting to session manager:
16:05<Gudahtt>Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed.
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16:07<edbian>Is there a way to see the rtt between china and brazil if I'm in Virginia ?
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16:10<tobi_v>hallo
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16:16<jhutchins_lt>edbian: Not without some sort of access to a system located in one of the two.
16:16<edbian>jhutchins_lt, Thanks
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16:17<jhutchins_lt>Except on that day that china grabbed 15% of all internet traffic - you might have had a through-china route to brazil.
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16:33<retrospectacus>I know he left, but the "bing" command might be what he wanted
16:35<sdk>Hrm.. cgiirc is exactly as advertised.. simple and straightforward.. BUT apparently due to the nature of CGI, the browser is in a state of constantly updating itself.
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16:36<sdk>Which will drive users nuts. I know it's sending my OCD into a fit.
16:36<retrospectacus>sdk: how else would the browser know if someone talked in the irc
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16:39<retrospectacus>sdk: the webserver holds the connection open to update the browser with the chat. Otherwise you'd have to refresh contstantly to see what's happening
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16:40<sdk>retrospectacus: Understood. I wasn't complaining, just commenting. There is no other way, really.
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16:40<sdk>Hrm.. I guess it does sound like I was complaining.
16:41<retrospectacus>hehe.. well there are other ways, just cgiirc doesn't use them, apparently
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16:42<sdk>In any case, unless the server was somehow using 'push' I guess..
16:42<retrospectacus>sdk: there are, of course, many many IRC client programs you could offer the users if they don't like the webpage
16:42<sdk>But yeah, it does what I need it to do. Testing on other browsers. REALLY trying to avoid total Sharepoint dominationhere.
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16:43<sdk>retrospectacus: Yep, but everyone here uses Windows, and none of the clients are unobtrusive. A tab in a browser is about as unobtrusive as it gets.
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16:44<sdk>I'm trying to avoid installing yet another client on their systems and having to build a training process and another update and testing process.. :-/
16:44<sdk>There'll be about 5 of us in here constantly, and the other 100 or so will just be connecting when they're having a problem.
16:45<retrospectacus>sdk, an internal support-chat webpage is probably ideal then
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16:46<retrospectacus>in fact we could probably use this here at my work... hmmmmmmm
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16:46<retrospectacus>we have a IRC channel but no-one ever uses it
16:47<smv>what's wrong with XChat2 and a modified configuration to make it connect to the server and channel OOTB?
16:47<retrospectacus>that would have to be installed on every workstation in the place though
16:49<smv>usually people install all sort of things, why would it be a problem to install this one too? :))
16:50<sdk>retrospectacus: That is exactly what I'm trying to set up, an internal support chat. People are interested in more than just that though. I have two complaints: IRC clients are too bulky on screen and emails-as-conversation sucks.. soo.... web based irc interface.
16:51<sdk>smv: precisely. I'd have to create a roll out plan, a support plan, a training schedule, the works.
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16:51<sdk>smv: and this is an entirely Windows shop. I have the only *NIX boxen. three servers and my personal system.
16:52<sdk>Plus there are some Macs coming in.. we have 6 atm.
16:52<sdk>smv: need nice, simple, DUH-proof unified interface.. i.e. Web.
16:53<retrospectacus>sdk, well you could easily try that other one I linked you and see if you like it better
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16:53<chaos>if my eth0 has 2 ips and it's my default gateway how do i set which ip is to be used?
16:53<chaos>eth0 vs. eth0:0
16:53<smv>grab http://www.silverex.org/download/xchat-2.8.6-2.exe and installit on a windows machine, fire it up and configure it as you think it's 'best', make it connect to the server and autojoin on the channel. then archive the wolder cointaining xchat and make it available to everyone, perhaps on the internal web page. ask them to down load and unarchive the thing, then duble click the big exe.
16:54<sdk>retrospectacus: Going to do that Monday.
16:54<retrospectacus>chaos: it uses eth0
16:54<chaos>well actually it uses eth0:0
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16:55<chaos>but i want eth0 to be used
16:55*smv s/wolder/folder
16:55<retrospectacus>chaos: mine uses whatever comes first in /etc/network/interfaces
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16:56<retrospectacus>i.e. eth0, not eth0:0
16:56<chaos>not here :\
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16:57<Nina>Hola
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16:57<Guest645>Holaa Hay alguien? xD
16:57<smv>!es
16:57<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
16:58<retrospectacus>chaos: hm, well try swapping the IPs in interfaces and /etc/init.d/networking restart
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16:59<retrospectacus>chaos: my hosting VPS has 4 IPs and I occasionally change the primary IP by this method
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17:00<chaos>yeah well i would prefer something less arbitrary :\
17:01<retrospectacus>yeah, mine is always whatever I put first though.
17:01<roberts>Hi! i am searching for tcp proxy server for debian which have ip filter functionality for example using data files or mysql. Any ideas?
17:01<retrospectacus>chaos: I guess you could try using iptables output mangling
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17:04<roberts>the plan is that client connects to server, checks clients ip address, if address is listed in mysql/data file, let them pass to fixed ip and port, if not, disconnects them. i searched quite long, irc is my final savior :)
17:05<chaos>i thought about using route
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17:08<chaos> ok .. seems to be the following problem ... which ever (eth0 or eth0:0) gets set up last becomes the default outgoing connection .. is there a way to do ifup which won't set it as such?
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17:21<jaalto>After upgrade, I got this "Christmas wallpaper". How do I remove it and get back to original?
17:22<retrospectacus>same way you'd normally change your wallpaper
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17:23<jaalto>retrospectacus: I mean what package brought it in? I never have chnaged my wallpaper
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17:24<brokencycle>Hi!
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17:25<retrospectacus>jaalto, I have no idea. I'm sure you can figure out how to change the wallpaper
17:25<jaalto>retrospectacus: It's not about chnaging, it's aboun downgrading a package responsible for the chnage.
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17:26<Gudahtt>you're sure a package is responsible for the change?
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17:27<jaalto>Gudahtt: Yes. After upgrade, the wallpaper of Gnome was chnaged to horrid Christmas Theme.
17:27<sdk>retrospectacus: Wow, qwebirc is *much* more slick on the start. Thanks for the suggestion man!
17:27<retrospectacus>jaalto: why? just set the wallpaper to what you want. Why would you try to "downgrade", that's just silly (and not easy)
17:28<retrospectacus>sdk, cool. I might have to check it out myself! thanks for the evalutaion :)
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17:29<jaalto>retrospectacus: I'd rather find out what package is responsible for the chnage to take notice in the future
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17:31<retrospectacus>jaalto, well I don't know. possibly gnome-themes or something like that
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17:32<jaalto>retrospectacus: Ok, that's a start. I start digging. Thanks.
17:33<retrospectacus>jaalto: if you can find the path/name of the background image file, then do e.g. dpkg -S filename.jpg
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17:36<gatos>hello
17:36<retrospectacus>jaalto: the name of the file should be available by running "gconf-editor" and finding this config option: /desktop/gnome/background/picture_filename
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17:36<tuxcrafter>hi all
17:36<tuxcrafter>is this bug already reported/know for debian testing: http://debian.pastebin.com/k5Xnvnc8
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17:38<tuxcrafter>there is a similair bug when booting up
17:38<gatos>which wireless card do you guys use for aircrack?
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17:39<retrospectacus>jaalto: or this: gconftool-2 -g /desktop/gnome/background/picture_filename
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17:39<jaalto>retrospectacus: Excellent, thank you. It points to spacefun-wallpaper.svg which I'd rather not use.
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17:41<retrospectacus>jaalto: dpkg -S spacefun-wallpaper.svg should tell you what package it came in
17:41<retrospectacus>desktop-base: /usr/share/images/desktop-base/spacefun-wallpaper.svg
17:42<mjt>where this spacefun thing come from anyway? http://wiki.debian.org/DebianArt/Themes/SpaceFun
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17:42<jaalto>retrospectacus: Looks like from desktop-base
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17:43<retrospectacus>jaalto: yep. I wouldn't try "downgrading" that though. just change theme in the appearance prefs or just change the wallpaper in the usual way
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17:54<yoshie>Not able to find or browse threw added sata HDD 500gig, Debian 5 AMD 64
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17:56<yoshie>Anyone?
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17:56<retrospectacus>yoshie: insufficient data for meaningful answer
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17:56<yoshie>ret rospectacus: What do you mean?
17:57<retrospectacus>I mean please explain more. We're not here to play 20 questions
17:57<yoshie>ret rospectacus: God I love the attitude....
17:58<@weasel>pot, kettle.
17:58<benpol>indeed
17:59<yoshie>I am having trouble with my second hard drive, its a Sata 500 gig, Just installed Debian 5 (new version ) and I am only able to view it as SDB in the partition editor, It has all my back up files on it and I would like to view them.
17:59<@weasel>mount the partition?
18:00<yoshie>In the drop down menu ( Places ) It is not listed.
18:01<retrospectacus>yoshie: does "ls -l /dev/sd*" show sdb1 or just sdb
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18:06<yoshie>ret rospectacus: It has both actually
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18:07<retrospectacus>that's good. try: mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt , as root
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18:08<retrospectacus>(replace /mnt with an empty folder of your choice)
18:08<retrospectacus>that should either work, tell you to specify the FS type, or fail with an error
18:08<mrcl>hey, can someone tell me how to set more workspace in debian/gnome/compiz ? I used to have 4, but now it has been reduced to 2 actually...
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18:09<retrospectacus>mrcl, you can set it in compiz general options I blieve
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18:09<yoshie>ret rospectacus: Well i typed the command and it just went to the next line like nothing happened, so thats a good sign i guess.
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18:09<retrospectacus>yoshie: should be mounted. should appear in "Places"
18:10<yoshie>ret rospectacus: Yeah not seeing it sadly, should I restart the computer?
18:11<retrospectacus>no, try ls /mnt if that's where you mounted it
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18:12<mrcl>retrospectacus: i have searched throughout all of the option and i couldnt find any option that would refer to workspace count.
18:12<yoshie>ret rospectacus: Ok good, in terminal i typed ls /mnt and it showed ( in terminal ) the list of all my files in that hard drive.
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18:14<yoshie>ret rospectacus: Now its just a matter of being albe to get to it in Places
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18:15<yoshie>ret rospectacus: When I go to file system and click on the folder (mnt) it ses you do not have the permissions necessary to view the contents of "mnt"
18:17<retrospectacus>mrcl: http://overdrive.polarcom.com/Screenshot-CompizConfig%20Settings%20Manager.png
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18:19<retrospectacus>yoshie: this is a NTFS partition I'm guessing?
18:19<mrcl>retrospectacus, ok thanks!
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18:20<yoshie>ret rospectacus: sorry for not adding that in, yes it is NTFS
18:20<retrospectacus>mrcl, found it?
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18:22<mrcl>retrospectacus, yes thank you :)
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18:22<retrospectacus>yoshie: you need to add a line for it in /etc/fstab but I don't know the details, I haven't setup internal NTFS myself
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18:23<yoshie>ret rospectacus: Yeah I was hopping you weren't going to say that.
18:25<yoshie>ret rospectacus: Editing the fstab, adding this line, /dev/sdb1 /mnt ntfs defaults 0 0
18:25<retrospectacus>yoshie, that's a start, you may consider mounting it in a more permanent location
18:26<yoshie>ret rospectacus: thats why im here, ive really no clue how to do this lol
18:26<retrospectacus>e.g. mkdir /media/backup and mount it there
18:27<retrospectacus>I think you want "user" in the mount options
18:27<yoshie>ok directory maid
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18:36<retrospectacus>yoshie, rebooted? status?
18:37<yoshie>ret rospectacus: Didnt reboot, but tried to login as root didnt work.. lol
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18:38<retrospectacus>login as root is not a good idea
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18:38<yoshie>ret rospectacus: Never is.
18:38<yoshie>ret rospectacus: ok so should i try a reboot?
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18:39<retrospectacus>yeah rebooting should mount it according to /etc/fstab - relogging does not do it
18:39<yoshie>ok be right back.
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18:42<yoshie>retrospectacus: Ok rebooted and still nothing in places.
18:43<smv>retrospectacus, mount -a should've been enough
18:44<retrospectacus>yoshie: dmesg should tell you what happened
18:44<smv>unless a partition is mount in /media/something by udev/hal/whatever it won't apear in places. but i might be wrong.
18:44<retrospectacus>yoshie: does "mount" show it?
18:44<retrospectacus>smv: yes /media/backup should be it
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18:45<yoshie>retrospectacus: /dev/sdb1 on /media/backup type ntfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
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18:46<smv>on the other hand, you can still aces the content with any file browser (in this case nautilus?) by going to the specific mountpoint using the address bar, or if not enabled from the upper mount point, i.e. file system > media > backup
18:46<retrospectacus>but is not in Places eh? Can you get in there in nautilus?
18:47<smv>2 ways: mount it automaticaly, or add it to the favorites. though that's not exactly in places
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18:50<yoshie>retrospectacus: maybe i typed it wrong in fstab?
18:50<smv>what exactly you have in fstab?
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18:51<yoshie>/dev/sdb1 /media/backup ntfs user 0 0
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18:51<yoshie>thats a copy paste
18:52<kristin>I am still having trouble with getting sound to work on a eeepc in 10.10. I tried to explain all the things I tried here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=10224578#post10224578 Can anyone help?
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18:52<smv>yoshie, can you go with nautilus to /media/backup ?
18:53<yoshie>smv, not sure what nautilus is
18:53<smv>!ubuntu
18:53<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
18:53<smv>kristin, ^^^
18:54<kristin>smv: yes?
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18:54<kristin>ohh whoops!
18:54<kristin>sorry
18:54<otzi>it's a mighty submarine, but also a file browser. Are you using gnome? If you are, you can probably access it opening a folder from your desktop
18:54<Suuwuu>Hi everyone
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18:55<yoshie>ok what is this leading to?
18:56<devil>yoshie: ntfs-3g would also be useful
18:56<otzi>to see if you see your files inside of /media/backup
18:56<yoshie>devil: can you give me a quick walk threw on that please.
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18:56<yoshie>otzi, I already know the files are there
18:57<otzi>though if it doesn't show when you do mount, it wasn't mount then
18:57<otzi>then I have no idea what you guys are talking about, sorry :(
18:57<devil>apt-get install it, if not installed, then put it in fstab instead of ntfs
18:58<smv>yoshie, on the left upper corner of the screen you have a menu, with Applications Places and System on it right? If you select Places and then Desktop for example, it will open a Nautilus window. Do that and tell me if you need more info.
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18:59<yoshie>smv, I have a gnome desktop environment, going into places and computer, still do not see HDD
19:00<otzi>what's the output of mount?
19:00<smv>yoshie, do you have an address bar there or buttons? try to go to /mount
19:00<smv>err, sorry. to /media
19:00<yoshie>/dev/sdb1 on /media/backup type ntfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
19:01<otzi>it was correctly mounted, then, it seems
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19:01<smv>it's there and mounted, but it will not apear in places. you have to get to it 'manually'
19:01<yoshie>smv: hmm
19:01<otzi>if you do ls /media/backup you'll see the contents of your ntfs filesystem
19:02<otzi>you can browse through it using cd and ls
19:02<yoshie>otzi: yes that is correct files list
19:02<otzi>or you can use nautilus like smv suggests
19:02<smv>yoshie, i have no idea if that would've been different if you would've used defaults instead of user in fstab.
19:02<otzi>nautilus is probably the easiest
19:02<yoshie>i would prefer to use nautilus
19:03<yoshie>however I dont no what else to do now.
19:03<otzi>then just type in /media/backup in the address bar, it should work out just fine
19:03<retrospectacus>yoshie: you can also bookmark the folder, then it will be in Places
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19:04<retrospectacus>or try using ntfs-3g like devil said, not really sure how that would help though
19:04<smv>or in Favorites if you bookmark more folders
19:05<devil>retrospectacus: it will not fix the issue directly, no
19:05<yoshie>ntfs-3g is installed and I added it in fstab,
19:05<otzi>I don't think using ntfs-3g would help at all
19:05<otzi>it would surprise me if it did
19:05<otzi>why would it?
19:05<yoshie>however, not seeing anything, should i restart the computer?
19:05<devil>yoshie: use default with it instead of user
19:05<yoshie>devil: ok
19:05<smv>beside ntfs-3g might have been already installed
19:05<retrospectacus>it used to be that you needed the 3g to write, but the kernel driver is fine these days
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19:06<devil>retrospectacus: uh, is it? i did not have any ntfs partitions in years.
19:06<smv>yoshie, edit /etc/fstab, change user with defaults, save it, and do mount -a
19:06<yoshie>smv, ok done
19:07<smv>what mount says about sdb1?
19:07<retrospectacus>devil: I know ntfs external drives work fine on all my linuxes
19:07<otzi>I'm not really sure what yoshie is trying to accomplish. You want to have a link to it on your desktop?
19:07<devil>retrospectacus: good to know
19:08<retrospectacus>otzi, he has an internal SATA ntfs drive and wants it to appear in "Places" and "Computer"
19:08<yoshie>yes I would love that, I just want to get into the hard drive lol, it has pictures and videos and such
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19:08<otzi>well, you already know how to get to it. Now we want it to show up in Places and Computer automatically.
19:08<yoshie>yes
19:09<yoshie>should i restart?
19:09<smv>no
19:09<otzi>I think you can bookmark it and have it showing up in Places. But in computer, I don't know, I really don't use nautilus interface all that much :(.
19:09<yoshie>no wonder us women dont use linux hehe its hard.....
19:09<smv>usually reboot is not as necessary as in windows. that should make it more easy to use. LOL
19:10<yoshie>hehe agreed.
19:10<otzi>are you using squeeze or lenny?
19:10<retrospectacus>hey my girlfriend runs linux
19:10<retrospectacus>she installed Mint though
19:10<yoshie>ret. tell your girl friend I send her a high five
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19:11<yoshie>otzi: not sure what you mean, the hard drive is NTFS
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19:11<otzi>isn't mint just ubuntu with a different theme?
19:11*smv wonders...
19:11<otzi>those are two versions of debian
19:12<smv>otzi, kinda, though they also have a debian based version
19:12<yoshie>oh, um , I got the minimal net install AMD 64 version, does that help?
19:12<otzi>lenny being the current release and squeeze the upcoming release.
19:12<yoshie>oh ok, im on the stable version.
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19:13<otzi>just out of curiosity, you just decided to download it and give it a try out of the blue?
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19:14<yoshie>well debian ive always wanted to try, so yeah
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19:15<otzi>that's cool
19:15<smv>yoshie, altough might seem a bit difficult, can you manage to post a screenshot of your desktop? i'm interested in how nautilus apears. pressing PrintScreen should do the work. then use http://pastepic.com or something like
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19:15<abrotman>smv: there are dozens of screenshots of nautilus out there
19:15<abrotman>avu: HIYA!
19:16<smv>abrotman, right.
19:16<otzi>but I don't know what makes nautilus show a mount point in computer. I've always assumed it would just parse mount output or something.
19:16<otzi>seems like that's not the case
19:17<yoshie>yeah my problem is , not i can view the files in terminal, just not from the desktop
19:17<yoshie>prob cause im logged in as root in terminal
19:17<otzi>wait
19:17<oppiz>root
19:17<retrospectacus>yoshie: quick fix: as user: ln -s /media/backup ~/Desktop/backup
19:18<otzi>you can't see the files in the terminal if you're not root?
19:18<yoshie>um
19:18<yoshie>let me try one sec
19:18<oppiz>I just change my uid to 0 so i never have to switch to root
19:18<otzi>yeah that will work, but I'm curious as to why wouldn't nautilus show this particular disc
19:19<otzi>hehe
19:19<yoshie>retrospectacus: ok that put a backup folder on my desktop
19:19<smv>oppiz, kinda wrong way to do things
19:19<otzi>you can probably access it now
19:19<yoshie>yoshie@debian:~$ ls /media/backup/
19:19<yoshie>ls: cannot open directory /media/backup/: Permission denied
19:19<oppiz>heh, it would be
19:19<otzi>ah
19:19<otzi>that's the problem
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19:19<Arrowmaster>otzi: why nautilus doesnt show it in computer:///?
19:19<smv>chown ~/Desktop/backup
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19:20<retrospectacus>yoshie: didn't it work before? When it was mounted with "user" option, perhaps
19:20<yoshie>retrospectacus: that is while i was logged in as root in the terminal
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19:21<yoshie>chown: missing operand after `/home/yoshie/Desktop/backup'
19:21<yoshie>Try `chown --help' for more information.
19:21<otzi>I think user instead of defaults doesn't help any
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19:21<Arrowmaster>otzi: i thought that showed drives if they were mounted with the gnome automounter
19:21<otzi>it just so the user can mount
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19:21<retrospectacus>Arrowmaster: this does not seem to be the case with internal drives
19:21<smv>it should be chown user:group ~/Desktop/backup
19:22<otzi>hm, perhaps, i'm not aware of such software
19:22<otzi>I have a disc that's mounted using fstab which shows up just fine, though
19:22<smv>i also believe that yoshie has nautilus in spatial view...
19:23<Arrowmaster>retrospectacus: i only have two things listed in computer:/// by default, 'CD/DVD Drive' and 'Filesystem' even though i have multiple drives and partitions, but any thumb drives mounted by gnomes automounter show up there
19:23<otzi>actually my disc is just a partition, my setup seems very similar to yoshie's. I don't know why it works here and not there
19:23<otzi>that's a puzzle
19:23<smv>this is a moment when i wish i had lenny instead of sid...
19:23<Arrowmaster>as for mounting an ntfs partition the option you need is uid
19:24<retrospectacus>otzi, what's in your fstab?
19:24<Arrowmaster>and you probably want to use gid too
19:24<yoshie>ok so what do i type in terminal, and do i loggin as root in terminal?
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19:26<Arrowmaster>how are you mounting the drive now?
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19:26<yoshie>threw the fstab
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19:27<Arrowmaster>type `id` in the console and whats the first two things it says? should be uid= and gid= but what are the numbers
19:28<yoshie>uid=1000(yoshie) gid=1000(yoshie) groups=20(dialout)
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19:29<Arrowmaster>ok edit the fstab and change the 'defaults' for the ntfs drive to 'defaults,uid=1000,gid=1000'
19:29<retrospectacus>yoshie, is that all?
19:29<yoshie>retrospectacus: no there is more
19:29<retrospectacus>oh, k. carry on with what Arrowmaster sez
19:30<Arrowmaster>that should let you access everything on the drive as your normal user account
19:31*smv still believe that yoshie has nautilus in spatial view
19:32<yoshie>Arrowmaster: /dev/sdb1 /media/backup ntfs defaults,uid=1000,gid=1000 0
19:32<yoshie>0
19:32<Arrowmaster>yeah
19:33<yoshie>reboot?
19:33<Arrowmaster>sure
19:33<smv>no. just mount -a
19:33<otzi>retrospectacus: /dev/sda2 /data ext3 defaults 0 2
19:33<yoshie>debian:/home/yoshie# mount -a
19:33<yoshie>mount: mount point does not exist
19:33<otzi>it's not exactly the same
19:33<smv>oO
19:33<otzi>because it's a different filesystem
19:34<Arrowmaster>umount /media/backup
19:34<Arrowmaster>mount /media/backup
19:34<Arrowmaster>do that
19:34<otzi>but I don't see why it would work any differently
19:34<yoshie>debian:/home/yoshie# unmount /media/backup
19:34<yoshie>bash: unmount: command not found
19:34<Arrowmaster>its umount not unmount
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19:34<yoshie>ok now it just went to the next line, guess that worked
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19:35<smv>see what mount say
19:36<yoshie>gentlmen, we have lift off !
19:36<yoshie>drive mounted to desktop
19:36<retrospectacus>!congratulate yoshie
19:36<dpkg>Hugs & Puppies yoshie, you did it!
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19:37<retrospectacus>yoshie: should be writable now as user too
19:37<rpgdude>hey im doing a squeeze install on my new drive
19:38<rpgdude>/bin/blockdev-wipe is taking a really long time, is this normal?
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19:39<rpgdude>also, do i setup LVM first, or RAID first?
19:39<yoshie>Thanks everyone appreciate that, also how do I get rid of the folder back up off desktop?
19:40<retrospectacus>yoshie, rm ~/Desktop/backup
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19:45<rpgdude>it looks like i can cancel blockdev-wipe
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19:46<rpgdude>also should i use ext3 or ext4?
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19:49<retrospectacus>up to you dude
19:50<rpgdude>the guided partman choose ext3 for everything
19:50<rpgdude>im assuming because its more stable
19:52<rpgdude>i think im gonna go with ext4, my disk is huge
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19:55<Habstinat>ls
19:55<Habstinat>Whoops, wrong terminal window :P
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19:56<Habstinat>Does anyone know where I can find precompiled packages (binaries) of glibc for Debian?
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19:59<rpgdude>yeah
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20:00<Habstinat>rpgdude: Thanks, do you have a link?
20:00<abrotman>what is wrong with your libc?
20:00<dondelelcaro>Habstinat: we only use eglibc now, but they're available from any Debian mirror
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20:00<rpgdude>http://packages.debian.org/sid/libc6
20:00<abrotman>wouldn't lenny still have glibc?
20:01<dondelelcaro>Habstinat: but what are you actually trying to do?
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20:01<dondelelcaro>abrotman: I can't remember.
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20:01<abrotman>judd: info libc6 --release lenny
20:01<judd>Package libc6 (libs, required) in lenny/i386: GNU C Library: Shared libraries. Version: 2.7-18lenny6; Size: 4459.4k; Installed: 10776k
20:02<Habstinat>dondelelcaro: I need specifically that package, not libc. Lenny doesn't have glibc. If someone can help me compile it that's fine too.
20:02<dondelelcaro>Habstinat: uh... libc6 is built from eglibc. What exactly are you trying to do?
20:03<dondelelcaro>(or glibc if it's lenny)
20:03<abrotman>lenny does have glibc?
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20:03<dondelelcaro>abrotman: if the package description isn't lying, yeah
20:04<abrotman>i don't think they switched until right after lenny released?
20:04<dondelelcaro>abrotman: yeah, I couldn't remember if it was after lenny or after etch
20:04<abrotman>http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2009/05/msg00175.html
20:04<dondelelcaro>abrotman: we appear to be in violent agreement. ;-)
20:05<abrotman>heh
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21:32<LumpenProletariat>==>> good evening <<==
21:33<LumpenProletariat>good evening
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21:34<otzi>what are packages in /var/lib/dpkg/available? It seems that all installed packages are there as well as some uninstalled packages, but not all of the not installed.
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21:35<LumpenProletariat>installed packages... i guess
21:36<LumpenProletariat>some unistalled too? They might be removed
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21:52<otzi>yeah, some packages that were installed and then removed are still there
21:53<otzi>so it's a list of any package that was installed at some point?
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21:54<otzi>even after apt-get clean a removed package is still there
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21:55<rpgdude>does anyone know if debian-installer supports setting up software RAID1 with a single disk
21:55<abrotman>doesn't sound very RAID
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21:55<rpgdude>well, i have a second disk that i want to RAID with it
21:55<rpgdude>but it has data on it
21:56<rpgdude>so i figured i would setup the empty disk using debian-installer, and then add the other disk to the array after copying the data to the new disk
21:58<rpgdude>does this sound right?
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22:02<rpgdude>also the partman wont let me delete partitions
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22:06<rpgdude>im gonna reboot
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22:14<rpgdude>so from what i understand /boot needs to be in an unencrypted partition
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22:21<korva>hello is someone there?
22:22<rpgdude>hey
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23:24<jasper>I am totally lost with an issue I am having.
23:25<Tiff>Are we suppose to guess what issue you're having, or are you gonna tell us?
23:25<jasper>I installed Debian 5.0, and I cannot figure out how to get my wireless b43-fwcutter to work
23:25<jasper>sorry about the delayed response, Tiff.
23:26<jasper>I have tried everything I could find on the internet. I am a newbie with Linux, so I wish i could just figure out how to install all the packaged from the DVD's I have
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23:26<Tiff>http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx
23:26<Tiff>This says all.
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23:30<jasper>Ok, how do I know if I have a kernel loaded?
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23:37<Tiff>Think he has bigger issues to worry about if he doesn't know whether or not he has a kernel loaded.
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23:54<acu_>hey guys - if I log as single user mode - is that considered the minimal ?
23:54<acu_>with whatever server services are installed of course - database, web etc ?
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23:56<rpgdude>i was able to boot to the installed system
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23:57<rpgdude>with raid and lvm partitioning, so i think i got it
23:57<rpgdude>now i just need to copy my data over
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