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00:14<blubaustin>hello
00:14<rpgdude>hey
00:14<rpgdude>whats up
00:15<blubaustin>Well I have a little problem, I upgrade my system from debian lenny to sid, and when I try to do apt-get build-dep it spits out this error: Could Not open file /var/lib/apt/lists/security.debian.org_dists_sid_updates_main_source_Sources-open (2: no such file or directory)
00:16<blubaustin>and I was wondering if there was a way to fix that
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00:27<prince>prince
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00:51<rpgdude>looks like your apt cache is messed up
00:51<rpgdude>try this
00:51<rpgdude># apt-get clean
00:51<rpgdude>anyway im going to bed
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01:00<blubaustin>k
01:00<blubaustin>nope it still gives me the same error
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01:00<blubaustin>=(
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01:07<jester>blubaustin, did you try upgrading to testing first? or just jumped right into sid
01:08<jester>im not sure if you should upgrade in steps or if a single upgrade is good
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01:17<kd123>I can't mount my lvm logical volumes using the debian live cd... I installed lvm2 though... can someone plz help
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01:23<blubaustin>jumped right to sid
01:23<blubaustin>I think it just needs the file created....which I wish I knew how to do
01:24<kd123>do I need to have a live cd that is built with lvm2??? or is there another way?
01:24<gsimmons>kd123: Have you run "vgscan" and "vgchange -ay"?
01:26<kd123>I've run 'vgscan' and it sees the volume group but not 'vgchange -ay' what's that do?
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01:28<kd123>gsimmons: you are my hero! :D the vgchange -ay mapped them :)
01:28<gsimmons>kd123: From its man page: "makes the logical volumes known/unknown to the kernel" (in this case, known).
01:28<kd123>gsimmons: thanks again :)
01:29<blubaustin>I dont get why I can't just create the missing file, but I dont know what needs to be in it.
01:31<Tiff>err security.debian.org doesnt have a sid branch, shoudlnt even be in your sources
01:31<blubaustin>alright so I should delete it correct
01:31<Tiff>yes
01:32<blubaustin>leave volatile?
01:32<Tiff>..if you need it
01:32<Tiff>you use clamav, etc?
01:32<Tiff>spamassassin
01:32<Tiff>w/e
01:32<blubaustin>dont know what it is lol
01:32<blubaustin>XD
01:32<Tiff>volatile just pushes updates that need to occur very frequently, such as AV databases
01:33<blubaustin>ah ok
01:33<blubaustin>well when I do a apt-get update it says its not found...volatile that is for sid
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01:34<blubaustin>well.... I disabled volatile and it worked....SWEET
01:34<blubaustin>thank you
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01:35<Tiff>No problem.
01:35<Tiff>and no, the volatile repo has no sid branch either fyi
01:36<blubaustin>oh lol I just barely installed debian been using ubuntu and wanted to try debian again thank you so much
01:36<Tiff>hmmk
01:37<blubaustin>Now my next question is... about the nvidia 260.19.21 driver
01:37<Tiff>blah theres so much online about graphical driver issues to search through :P
01:37<blubaustin>ya well mine is weird
01:38<blubaustin>says that my kernel configuration doesn't match even though it is a stock kernel, and that my kernel was compiled using a different gcc version
01:38<blubaustin>did that in lenny too
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01:41<Tiff>well err
01:42<Tiff>you prolly need to install an earlier gcc version which the kernel was compiled with and use that version for the building of the nvidia kernel modules
01:42<Tiff>aptitude install gcc-4.1
01:43<Tiff>then in a terminal: export CC=gcc-4.1
01:43<Tiff>and run it
01:43<Tiff>something like that :)
01:43<blubaustin>okie dokie I'll try it
01:43<blubaustin>I'll be back in a min
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01:47<kd123>does anyone know what's the default debian username and password? I forgot to configure that when I used debootstrap to install.
01:47<kd123>also what command allows me to set up user and root?
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01:51<kd123>is the command 'dpkg-configure user-setup'?
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02:26<kd123>I figured it out... the command is just 'user-setup' if anyone is interested :)
02:26<kd123>bye all
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02:38<Sydney>hello, everyone...
02:39<williamp>Hello
02:39<Sydney>I'm a debian newbie, and I'm looking for some help in understanding an aspect about packages management
02:40<Sydney>I'm using squeeze, and have a package I need to install...have two choices, an older one from the repository, and a newer one from the author, which provides tarballs
02:41<Sydney>I usually tend to prefer repo as I would not have to remember each time to check if there are updates around for that package...
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02:45<Sydney>and, secondly, if someone's reading, what about if I'd like to install a single package from the experimental section, having all the deps identical to the package in the testing section...is it better to download and install the .deb file or temporarly modify the sources.list and install from aptitude?
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02:49<zy>Sydney: download the .deb is safer and easier in you case imho.
02:53<Sydney>that's what I thought too...the only doubt I have is about managing it...I mean, I use gdebi to install it, and I might predict I will not have dep. problems...but, what about if I'd like to uninstall it, at a later time?
02:55<uLtrahulK>hello..
02:56<zy>I do not known gdebi, you may install with `dpkg -i', and if you do not like it, choose `force version' in synaptic to reinstall the one from repo.
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02:58<jester45>Sydney, you can use apt pinning to allow using less stable repos
02:59<jester45>Sydney, /msg dpkg pinning if you want some links
02:59<Sydney>I read about pinning in apt manual, but wasn't very clear to me...in particular, with pinning, am I going to mess the things up or it will update/install only the packages I am indicating?
03:00<Sydney>ok, jester45, thanks a lot...
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03:02<Sydney>zy, I was trying to find the force version option in synaptic, but hadn't found it...may it be used as a command option of apt too?
03:04<zy>Sydney: I have never tried this with apt-get, in synaptic, you can find the option in `package' menu
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03:08<Sydney>found it, zy...thanks a lot for your help...
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03:10<OsirisX>are there any stand alone tools in debian for analysing http headers?
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03:13<Tiff>wireshark?
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03:37<OsirisX>any good gnome desktop tools for Engish<->Spanish translations?
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03:50<turok>ciao a tutti
03:50<troy>anyone know anything about creating live usbs?
03:50-!-troy is now known as Guest673
03:50<turok>yes
03:50<turok>i know
03:50<turok>does it for run a os in usb key?
03:51<turok>guest673
03:51<turok>are you here?
03:51<Guest673>i dunno, i wanted to try my hand at arch
03:51<turok>arch?
03:51<Guest673>but i dont want to waste a dvd on 160 megs
03:51<Guest673>arch linux
03:51<turok>excuse me but i don't know what is arch
03:51<Guest673>arch linux
03:51<Guest673>its a distro
03:52<turok>ah
03:52<turok>yes
03:52<Guest673>comes with literally nothing, built from the ground up
03:52<turok>you can use distro linux in live mode by usb key
03:52<Guest673>how?
03:52<Guest673>i have the iso, i just need to put it on a usb
03:52<turok>you have to download a software named
03:53<Guest673>thanks
03:53<turok>wait a moment i search then name
03:53<Guest673>i will be back in a while to let you know how it goes
03:53<Guest673>ok
03:55<turok>the name is unetbootin
03:55<Guest673>thanks
03:56<Guest673>does it run in linux
03:56<turok>theese software are useful to create an avaiable usb
03:56<turok>no
03:56<turok>run in windows
03:56<turok>excuse me
03:56<turok>for linux i have to look in web
03:56<Sydney>hello, back again with the second part of the problem with packages...the tarball/deb dilemma...
03:57<turok>you're talking too difficult for me
03:57<turok>hehehehe
03:57<Guest673>hi sydney, im a noob cant help you really but i thought would say hi
03:57<Sydney>hi guest673
03:57<turok>i don't know yet all those things
03:57<Sydney>and hi to turok too :)
03:57<turok>hi sidney
03:58<Sydney>well, I'm quite a noob too, 673...that's why I'm looking for help here :P
03:58<Guest673>yo, anyone know how to run an executable file?
03:58<Guest673>my ubuntu wont let me
03:59<turok>unetbootin is avaiable to linux too
03:59<turok>http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/
03:59<turok>go there
03:59<turok>673
03:59<Guest673>i did
03:59<turok>are you here?
03:59<turok>ok
04:00<Guest673>and it wont run
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04:00<turok>don't worry
04:00<turok>i lokk again
04:00<turok>look
04:00<Sydney>back to the problem, I have a choice between an older package (arno's firewall, in particular) present in debian repos and the 2.0, stable version, at present only available as a .tar (and which has a .sh install script inside) at the author's site...what would be better to do, in this case?
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04:03<mib_41thgt>hey ppl
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04:04<turok>excuse me but i don't find anything different from unetbootin
04:04<classical>i wonder will dash support command history command line editing and other features that bash has ?
04:05<turok>you haveto look in web some distro of unetbootin for linux
04:05<classical>i have just find out that debian 6.0 will be shipped with
04:05<classical>dash
04:06<turok>SEND turok [unetbootin-linux-494]
04:06<turok>how can i send a file?
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04:07<turok>SEND <turok> [<unetbootin-linux-494>]
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04:07<turok>excuse me
04:07<turok>bye
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04:09<Guest673>thank you in adavance i have now creadted a live arch usb
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04:30<felixs>how do i get the interface name (tun.), that openvpn chose, after /etc/init.d/openvpn/start somevpn?
04:31<felixs>it isnt contained in the status file. but needed when setting iptable rules...
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04:32<hagen>i compiled and installed program. now how can i uninstall it?
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04:33<troy_>hello people
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04:33<troy_>unetbootin dosent seem to work
04:33<devil>hagen: apt-get remove <app> or apt-get purge <app> (the latter also removes configs under /)
04:34<devil>troy_: unetbootin does not work for every distro
04:34<troy_>oh god thank you i was worried i had given a virus access to something important, all it does is count down
04:35<devil>hagen: that goes only if you used checkinstall istead of make install
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04:35<devil>hagen: if you have used make install, now you got a good reason why that is not a good idea.
04:36<devil>hagen: if so, you could look for an uninstall script.
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04:36<devil>hagen: the best way would be to build a proper package.
04:37<hagen>nice
04:38<hagen>what does checkinstall?
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04:39<chomwitt>trying to install a package apt wont leave me due to unresovled references of two packages that i wont to keep (old canon printer drivers) . How can i bypass that? (-f wont work)
04:40<devil>hagen: checkinstall creates a basic .deb packag
04:40<hagen>is there any simple pdf viewer?
04:40<devil>hagen: there is many. look at what apt-cache search pdf shows
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04:41<hagen>too many variants
04:41<felixs>hagen: xpdf
04:41<devil>chomwitt: can you pastebin the output of apt?
04:41<hagen>xpdf crashes
04:41<dondelelcaro>hagen: then use evince
04:41<dondelelcaro>!tell chomwitt -about bat
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04:42<felixs>hagen: gv also displays pdf
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04:43<mactheknife>Hi, I am in a local network now. With xp, windows 7 and linux pcs. I am running linux, but connecting to shared files on a windows system, linux asks for logins/passwords, but there are no passwords. What should I do?
04:43<hagen>felixs: dondelelcaro ok
04:43<Zaba>mactheknife, specifying an empty password doesn't work?
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04:44<mactheknife>doesn't work
04:44<gsimmons>felixs: You can specify a name (e.g. dev tun2) in your OpenVPN configuration, instead of using a dynamic device.
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04:44<troy_>kaaaaaaaaaahn
04:45<EmleyMoor>I'm having trouble allowing my partner's Win7 system to access samba shares on my system - from his end it's denied, nothing obvious happening at my end
04:45<chomwitt>devil: unfortunately no.the problem in on my brothers computer. But i rembeber clearly the messeg about unresolved dependencies and that i should use apt-get -f install but using that command tries to uninstall the two packages i want to keep
04:46<hagen>devil: in my case 'make uninstall' worked\
04:46<devil>hagen: you got lucky :)
04:46<felixs>gsimmons: yes, seems like i want to switch to static names.
04:47<devil>hagen: for a clean way, maybe look at: http://wiki.debian.org/IntroDebianPackaging
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04:48<devil>chomwitt: without that output, its really hard to suggest a solution
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04:48<felixs>gsimmons: anyway it feels like a restriction, that doesnt make sense to me
04:48<troy_>anyone know how to access a usb port with terminal?
04:48<chomwitt>devil: ok. i'll try to give that feedback .
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04:51<devil>chomwitt: do you know the exact printer model?
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04:54<devil>chomwitt: printer drivers from manufacturers are often troublesome. with the model i could check if it can be run with free drivers
04:54<mactheknife>still no go...
04:55<trifolio6>lsusb uses to help
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05:05<error_203>hhi
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05:27<orinoco>hallo
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05:27<orinoco>ich suche einen driver für canon ip4700 drucker 64 bit
05:28<bzed>!de
05:28<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
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05:32<devil>orinoco: should work with the gutenprint driver
05:33<orinoco>4600 but not 4700
05:33<devil>orinoco: the one for 4600 does not work?
05:34<orinoco>on ip4700
05:34<devil>yes
05:34<orinoco>on canon site i coud only find the 32 bit driver
05:35<devil>orinoco: what is your cups-driver-gutenprint version?
05:35<orinoco>where can i see this
05:36<devil>dpkg -l cups-driver-gutenprint | grep ii
05:36<dpkg>No packages found matching cups-driver-gutenprint | grep ii
05:36<devil>heh
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05:37<devil>orinoco: put that in your terminal
05:37<orinoco>devil: system-config-printer 1.2.0
05:37<devil>hm, thats not it
05:38<devil>i have cups-driver-gutenprint 5.2.6-1 (from sid)
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05:38<devil>are you using cups?
05:38<orinoco>how can i get it
05:39<orinoco>yes
05:39<devil>orinoco: what version of debian are you running?
05:39<orinoco>ubuntu 10.04
05:40<devil>heh
05:40<devil>you are in the wrong channel :)
05:40<orinoco>deb driver goes on ubuntu
05:41<devil>well, as i do not know ubuntu at all, i cant support it.
05:41<ansgar>!ubuntu
05:41<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
05:41<orinoco>thanks
05:41<devil>and ubuntu debs differ often
05:41<orinoco>ciao
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05:45<EmleyMoor>I've got update-manager running flat out and not appearing to make any progress...
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05:49<mib_2muyfq>Hello
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05:49<mib_2muyfq>I need help
05:49<mib_2muyfq>I have kde installed on my debian testing
05:49<devil>mib_2muyfq: just ask
05:50<mib_2muyfq>Can I install gnome side by side with kde?
05:50<devil>mib_2muyfq: sure
05:50<mib_2muyfq>and how to switch between them
05:50<mib_2muyfq>?
05:50<devil>kdm, gdm....
05:50<devil>which is your preferred login manager
05:51<mib_2muyfq>I don't really know
05:51<mib_2muyfq>I just started ith linux 1 hour ago
05:51<mib_2muyfq>How to check it
05:51<mib_2muyfq>In package manager
05:51<mib_2muyfq>?
05:51<devil>that was not a question.
05:52<devil>after installing gnome, you can switch to it when bootin, in your login manager
05:54<mib_2muyfq>thanks
05:54<mib_2muyfq>i'll try
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05:54<EmleyMoor>When my partner tries to access my samba shares from his Win7 box, it refuses, and my end logs this: [2010/12/11 10:53:24.582080, 0] lib/util_sock.c:1432(get_peer_addr_internal) getpeername failed. Error was Transport endpoint is not connected
05:54<EmleyMoor>Why would that happen?
05:56<mib_2muyfq>One more question. What is the diffrence betwen "apt-get install xxx" and aptitude install xxx"
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05:57<EmleyMoor>mib_2muyfq: One uses aptitude, the other doesn't, basically... if you normally use aptitude you may find it's less inclined to get confused if you use it as much as possible... there may be other reasons but there's mine
05:58<devil>mib_2muyfq: apt-get might be easier for beginners
05:58<devil>ust dont mix them
05:58<devil>just
05:59<error_203>prefer aptitude
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06:01<EmleyMoor>Details Win7 side: the network path was not found
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06:02<EmleyMoor>Details Win7 side: the network path was not found
06:03<EmleyMoor>Why would that happen?[2010/12/11 10:59:27.527095, 0] param/loadparm.c:7504(lp_set_enum_parm) WARNING: Ignoring invalid value 'none' for parameter 'printing'
06:03<EmleyMoor>Just fixed to port 139, and my end now only logs the above
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06:08<EmleyMoor>No go on samba shares on the Win7 box still
06:08<EmleyMoor>It's behaving like it doesn't want to know
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06:11<rendar>hi, i have a problem with debian, if i press ctrl+alt+F2 it doesn't shift to the text-mode ..why?
06:11<EmleyMoor>It can anonymously access the backup volume - but it doesn't even seem to try anything else
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06:19<rendar>anyone can help me?
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06:21<rjre>dfewrew¤¡¤§¤¸
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06:22<devil>rendar: did you edit anything in /etc/inittab?
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06:25<rendar>devil, of course not, i've just installed debian
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06:25<devil>rendar: does 'init3' work?
06:26<devil>or ctrl+alt+F1?
06:28<rendar>ctrl+alt+F1 doesn't work...what you mean with init3? i'm at runlevel2
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06:29<devil>rendar: oh, you already are out of X
06:30<devil>rendar: i forgot what default runlevel config is, mine is different
06:30<rendar>no, i'm not out of X
06:30<rendar>i'm in X11, and i can't go in text mode
06:31<devil>ah, in debian proper 2-5 are the same
06:32<rendar>devil, someone said to me to do echo 2 > /sys/module/hid_apple/parameters/fnmode --- but this doesn't give any result unfortunately
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06:34<devil>i dont even have /sys/module/hid_apple/ :)
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06:35<error_203>devil:use ctrl+alt+f1
06:35<error_203>devil;to return alt+f7
06:36<devil>error_203: for doing what?
06:36<devil>error_203: you probably want to adress rendar
06:37<error_203>devil:oh sorry ya i want to adress rendar
06:37<devil>:)
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06:38<rendar>mmm it seems i've fixed the ctrl+alt+f1 thing, now i'm reading on a forum i can switch inverted keys with xmodmap
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06:39<mactheknife>Is there a linux program to unmask passwords? I got a program running but I forgot its password :-(
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06:40<freezer>mactheknife, dsniff/wireshark if it's submitted over network
06:41<mactheknife>freezer, it is not for networks but for a program on linux
06:42<mactheknife>in windows you have for example unmask
06:42<error_203>mactheknief: var els = document.getElementsByTagName('input'); for(var x = 0; x < els.length; x++) { if(els[x].type.toLowerCase() == 'password' ) { var test = els[x].type = 'text'; } }
06:43<error_203>mactheknief:java scipt
06:44<error_203>hv also answered this question on net
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06:50<rendar>i've create a file in my home '.Xmodmap' now..how i can load it with xmodmap ?
06:50<rendar>created*
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06:51<rendar>ok, it's just xmodmap .Xmodmap ..btw these changes will be lost at reboot..
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06:57<brian242r>hello
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06:57<brian242r>is anyone here
06:57<brian242r>???
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06:57<brian242r>sorry first time n00b :D
06:58<brian242r>can anyone help us?
06:59<devil>brian242r: just ask
06:59<brian242r>okay us well this is a really basic question but im having trouble
06:59<brian242r>in social engeenering toolkit
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06:59<brian242r>when u are using
07:00<brian242r>the website cloner
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07:00<brian242r>the fake website will run on your local broad cast ip
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07:00<brian242r>but it wonk be on the internet
07:01<brian242r>just the intra between computers
07:01<brian242r>is there a way so it will go out onto the internet
07:01<brian242r>???
07:01<devil>how is that a debian question?
07:02<Myon>brian242r: there is no way. period.
07:03<brian242r>thanks
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07:13<mr_boo>Hello all
07:13<mr_boo>I have gnome and kde installed. How can i choose which one I want to use?
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07:18<mattcen>Darned impatient user. I was all preparing a fancy explanation and everything :S
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07:26<nijabo_>Heh
07:26<nijabo_>Can't you chose that in the GDM?
07:26<nijabo_>When you're about to login to a session, that's how I do it.
07:26<nijabo_>Not sure if Slim has something similar
07:27<devil>user is long gone
07:27<devil>and i told him an hour ago
07:28<mattcen>Hi all. I'm looking for some fancy aptitude foo that I'm *sure* is possible. I want to say "remove all but the latest kernel". I thought I should be able to say something like: aptitude remove '~nlinux-image-*' linux-image: but that doesn't seem to work; it tries to remove all kernels.
07:30<mattcen>nijabo_: Yes you can, but my first question was going to be, what DM are you using? because he may have been using kdm. I was going to request an 'aptitude search ~i~Px-display-manager' to confirm. Then give appropriate instructions (My mentality was going to be that somebody who didn't know how to switch desktop/window managers mightn't know which DM they had.
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07:32<nijabo_>I should update my kernel
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07:33<abrotman>mattcen: do you have a /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/01autoremove ?
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07:35<mattcen>abrotman: No.
07:35<mattcen>Oh sorry, yes
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07:35<mattcen>(wasn't looking hard enough)
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07:35<devil>mattcen: http://svn.berlios.de/svnroot/repos/fullstory/kernel-remover/trunk/kernel-remover should also work on debian proper. it does what you are looking for
07:36<abrotman>mattcen: if you look in that file, do you see the linux-image line? that might be of some help
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07:36<devil>mattcen: deb here: http://aptosid.com/debian/pool/main/k/kernel-remover/
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07:37<abrotman>wtf
07:37<mattcen>Yes I do. It looks like it will be helpful. My real objective is to reply to this: http://www.lifehacker.com.au/2010/12/quickly-uninstall-old-linux-kernels-with-a-bash-script/, with a much simpler solution, that doesn't do silly things like parse 'ls' output.
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07:38<mattcen>(I realise that guide is for Ubuntu, but I am testing on Debian first, and then seeing if the same thing works with Ubuntu later.)
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07:38<abrotman>mattcen: you could also do a magic command to do it, if you want
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07:39<mattcen>I'm sure I can; similar to the aptitude command I posted above; I just need to get the formula correct.
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07:40*mattcen reads up on apt.conf format to better understand this auto-remove config.
07:40<abrotman>something like maybe .. dpkg -l "linux-image*" | grep -v meta | grep -v $(uname -r) | xargs apt-get remove ? .. you sohuld really really test that :)
07:40*abrotman cries
07:41<mattcen>Heh, naturally. I think I should be able to do it with aptitude alone.
07:41<abrotman>oh whoops .. left out a cut or awk to get the actual package name
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07:41<mattcen>But I could be wrong.
07:41<mattcen>It's OK; I'm not going to use that command, but I might take some ideas from it; thanks :)
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07:42<themill>the kernel packages will never be autoremoved by apt
07:42<themill>(and this is a good thing...)
07:42<abrotman>mattcen: you could also try something like the ~o
07:42<abrotman>themill: does the /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/01autoremove control that ?
07:43<themill>aptitude remove '~nlinux-image-*' linux-image-$(uname -r): linux-image-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'):
07:44<themill>abrotman: yes... I wouldn't be changing that setting thoug
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07:44<abrotman>he asked!
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07:45<abrotman>would aptitude remove '~o~nlinux-image-*' be easier? .. only remove linux-image- that cannot be downloaded ? .. though i guess that could remove your running kernel
07:45<mattcen>I don't want to go changing any settings permenantly; simply to conciously say; I know my current kernel works; remove all of them except that one.
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07:53<rendar>i've to invert keycodes 49<->94 ..is that possible with loadkeys?
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08:24<Sim0n__>Hi people, just wondering if someone could anwser me a question ?..
08:24<smv>is that your real question?
08:24<Sim0n__>if i have a machine that has no serial ports, or a monitor ever plugged in, do i need to run getty's ?
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08:24<Sim0n__>ive just installed a machine, and it seems to be running 6 gettys, and i really have no idea what they do
08:24<nevyn>Sim0n__: that seems a little dangerous.
08:25<nevyn>they're running on the local virtual consoles.
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08:25<nevyn>and yes you do need them.
08:25<Sim0n__>could someone maybe explain what they do, i've googled, but nothing seems to spell it out in plain english
08:25<nevyn>it's in the name as in so many unix things...
08:25<nevyn>getty get's a tty.
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08:26<nevyn>it's the process before login that sets up the terminal for input etc.
08:26<Sim0n__>so, its needed for ssh, i would guess ?
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08:27<nevyn>Sim0n__: nope.
08:27<cthuluh>Sim0n__: what are you going to do if you ever can't login with ssh anymore?
08:27<nevyn>getty's are needed for "real" terminals. (including confusingly virtual terminals)
08:28<Sim0n__>cthuluh: if that ever fails, i'd throw a monitor and keyboard on it.
08:28<Sim0n__>Just, while its working, those arent needed.
08:29<Sim0n__>I suppose, what im asking is, what exactly is getty and tty, in plain and simple english, as google/random forums are just confusing and contridicting.
08:29<nevyn>Sim0n__: but without getty there will be nothing on the screen when you "throw an monitor and keyboard on it"
08:29*smv would keep only 2, just in case, and disable the others
08:30<cthuluh>he would probably be able to boot in single user mode
08:30<cthuluh>I'd keep tty1, yeah
08:30<Sim0n__>OK, yea as smv says, do i really need the 6 that seem to be running ? tty1 thru tty6 ?
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08:30<cthuluh>no, you don't. but keep one getty running at least
08:31<cthuluh>(we're talking about a few KB of ram, remember...)
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08:31<Sim0n__>yea, its not the ram so much, as me being anal, and wanting to cut the process list down to "whats really needed"
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08:33<Sim0n__>i can understand tty1 = what comes out of the gfx card. but im struggling to understand what 2 > 6 do. When all i have read suggests they are for "dialing in"
08:33<nevyn>no.
08:33<nevyn>they're alt F1 through F6
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08:34<nevyn>Sim0n__: it's kinda like screen(1) but in the kernel.
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08:35<Sim0n__>ahh, that makes sense ! So say stopping/killing tty3,4,5,6 would mean i only have 2 terminals when/if i put a monitor in the system ?
08:35<Sim0n__>in all honesty, i have never needed to use the alt Fx when using a monitor/keyboard on a system.
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08:38<smv>is there a list with the packages needed to be able to install nvidia's proprietary driver(s) on lenny?
08:40<zy>smv: I remember the nv driver will compile itself. So you need the kernel headers.
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08:41<smv>zy, build-essential and linux-headers-2.6-amd64 would be enough then?
08:41<nevyn>Sim0n__: yes.
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08:41<nevyn>Sim0n__: I use it all the time
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08:42<nevyn>Sim0n__: you can also do things like run the log on a particular vty
08:42<yang_>I am wondering if "rsync -av -P -e 'ssh -p 822' ..." is going to send file encrypted to the destination over the network ?
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08:42<zy>smv: maybe more, I am not sure: f.e. module-assistant, kernel source
08:43<Sim0n__>nevyn: sorry, how do you mean "run the log" ?
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08:43<zy>smv: and it use a older gcc, maybe 4.3
08:43<nevyn>Sim0n__: so you have a tty that just has the system log on it ...
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08:44<nevyn>this is handy if you get a nasty oops that kills input or video
08:44<nevyn>well if it kills video you're still screwed.. but you can loose disk and stuff
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08:45<smv>zy, for the nvidia's .sh file? i thought those are needed only for the drivers in non-free
08:45<cthuluh>yang_: yes
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08:47<zy>smv: I am not sure now, my box with nv is broken now. The nv's .sh will compile a kernel module, but I do not remember exactly whether it require m-a.
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08:48<freezer>is there a working pidgin (ICQ) in squeeze?
08:48<freezer>there doesn't seem to be a backport?
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08:49<smv>would the nvidia's .sh need contrib or non-free packages to compile?
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08:51<zy>no, it at most require some building tools and kernel header or source.
08:51<abrotman>freezer: working in what way? the lenny one works also
08:51<mjt>,versions pidgin
08:52<judd>Package pidgin on i386 -- etch-backports: 2.4.3-4lenny5~bpo40+1; lenny: 2.4.3-4lenny8; lenny-security: 2.4.3-4lenny8; lenny-backports: 2.7.3-1~bpo50+2; squeeze: 2.7.3-1+squeeze1; sid: 2.7.7-1
08:52<freezer>the 2.7.3 fails to connect to ICQ
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08:53<abrotman>--- Topic for #pidgin is "Latest" is 2.7.7; upgrade and read the FAQ at http://pidgin.im/faq | This is a PG channel | Voice/Video (VV) on XMPP only (not on Windows) | Ubuntu users: http://pidgin.im/d/u (DON'T USE other PPAs, THEY'RE NOT OURS) | AIM and ICQ: Server problems. Be patient. | MSN: "Unable to validate certificate"? http://bit.ly/9Biw59 | Facebook problems? Use XMPP: http://bit.ly/coAkCg
08:53<abrotman>apparently, be patient :)
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08:53<freezer>my brothers pidgin is working
08:53<freezer>he's on fedora though
08:53<abrotman>do you get an error ?
08:54*abrotman can't believe people still use ICQ
08:54<freezer>Received unexpected response from https://api.oscar.aol.com/aim/startOSCARSession: Ok
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08:55<abrotman>which version of pidgin does your brother have ?
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09:03<dro__>I cant install anything with APT. it keeps giving me this error: The following packages have unmet dependencies: Depends: liblua5.1-0 but it is not installable
09:04<freezer>abrotman, 2.7.5
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09:04<navis>hello world
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09:05<navis>I see in the changelog for mesa that the radeon gallium driver should be built
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09:05<navis>but my laptop still seems to use the classical mesa driver
09:06<navis>is there something to configure ?
09:06<yuewanghai>are there some one from china?
09:06<ompaul>liblua5.1-0dro__: please put the output of this command in a paste bin> apt-cache policy liblua5.1-0
09:06<abrotman>!zh
09:06<dpkg>cn is probably China, or for help in chinese please join irc.oftc.net #debian-zh, Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see http://tinyurl.com/8yrj9 | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读
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09:07<navis>the classical r600 driver seems to have a but that crashes latest gnome-shell
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09:07<navis>and the focus is now on the gallium variant, so I might as well make the switch now
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09:10<dro__>ompaul: http://pastebin.com/We92S8yW
09:10<ompaul>dro__: apt-get update && apt-get install liblua5.1-0 << if that fails please paste your sources.list
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09:11<abrotman>it has no candidate
09:12<dro__>ompaul: no go. sources.list : http://pastebin.com/q5WS5PYb
09:12<ompaul>abrotman: I suspect a lack of pkgcache.bin
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09:13<ompaul>sorry lack of an entry in
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09:15<dro__>added deb-src entry to sources.list, ran apt-update, then apt-get install nmap and still no go
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09:19<ompaul>dro__: I'm kind of at a loss, paste apt-cache show nmap
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09:20<ompaul>dro__: sources lists don't break binary packages (I hope ;-))
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09:21<dro__>ompaul: http://pastebin.com/3zwbinR0
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09:24<ompaul>dro__: I think because you have backports enabled you may be having issues I see two entries there you might want to pin one
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09:25<dro__>ompaul: just commented out backport enties, ran apt update, then apt-get install nmap and still no go lol. i have no idea whats goin on
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09:26<ompaul>dro__: that is
09:27<abrotman>he doesn't have a main source
09:27*ompaul blinks
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09:28<abrotman>dro__: add "deb http://mirror.its.uidaho.edu/pub/debian/ lenny main" to your /etc/apt/sources.list .. then "aptitude update;apt-get update" .. then install whatever you want
09:28<ompaul>dro__: so as abrotman pointed out you need a: deb http://ftp.ie.debian.org/debian/ lenny main
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09:29<gacononline>hello
09:29<abrotman>ompaul: he's in washington .. why would you give him an ireland mirror ?
09:30<ompaul>abrotman: its got multi gig and never goes down first few bytes slow after that it flies :)
09:30<abrotman>anyway ...
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09:30<ompaul>abrotman: and hadn't seen the location (tbh)
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09:31<zy>If one package is in lenny but not in squeeze, where is the place to find the reason?
09:31<gacononline>anyone know the ddos not
09:31<dro__>it was fast lol. and yes it works now
09:32<dro__>thanks ompaul & abrotman
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09:32<abrotman>!removals
09:32<dpkg>The log of Debian package removals (including removal reasons) for this year is at http://ftp-master.debian.org/removals.txt . For logs of previous years, see http://ftp-master.debian.org/#removed
09:32<zy>thanks
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10:25<Raziel>hey guys im new to debian im running it on my vps, and i cant figure out one quite simple thing. For example im running "java -jar TestOne.jar" and then i dont really know how to get back to command input because i have no more "#" sign near my cursor.
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10:26<dvs>Raziel: put a "&" at the end when you run that command
10:27<devil>after a space
10:27<Raziel>right but how do i now get back to command line?
10:27<devil>ctrl -c
10:27<devil>app will still keep running
10:27<Raziel>thanks that was life saver
10:28<devil>you could also have many instances of terminals
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10:28<Raziel>my second day with linux ;p
10:28<devil>i have about 10 at any gien time. screen is also very nice
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10:29<devil>look at: http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2004/3/9/16838/14935
10:29<Raziel>thanks :)
10:29<devil>if you run jars on your 2nd day, you are good to go :)
10:30<Raziel>heh its vps so i have nothing to configure literally
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10:30<Raziel>just had to run bunch of app-get and i was set
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10:32<Nemoder>Raziel: just to clarify ctrl-c kills the program, ctrl-z or running it with & at the end puts it in the background
10:34<Raziel>ah ok thanks
10:35<Zaba>well, ctrl-c doesn't kill it, it interrupts it
10:35<Zaba>which usually results in termination, but the program can ignore the signal, or handle it in some other way
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10:35<Nemoder>aye
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10:37<plipp>Hi! Any chatty guy or guysette who knows a thing or two about usb drivers, endpoints and HID?
10:37<locklace>!anyone
10:37<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
10:40<uday>i have installed debian squeeze beta1 and trying to setup repositories in synaptic. But, when i click Settings-->Repositories nothing happens. can someone help.
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10:42<dominick>Hi! Is Debian GNU/Hurd offtopic on this channel?
10:42<rendar>i have a problem with my debian, when i use setkeycodes i receive this weird error: KDSETKEYCODE: Invalid argument --anyone can help me? it's about 4 hours i'm fighting with this..i'm exausthed
10:43<themill>dominick: if it's specific to hurd, you'll probably get better help in #debian-hurd, but feel free to ask here.
10:44<zy>rendar: what is you problem that you try to solve ( I mean, real problem, not setkeycode )
10:44<dominick>themill, I'm trying to install hurd, but I came across this faulty page, which is obviously missing most of the content. http://www.debian.org/ports/hurd/hurd-install
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10:44<rendar>zy, in my debian, i dont know why, but i've got swapped 2 keys, '<' become '\' and viceversa
10:45<rendar>i've now to swap it, i've done it in X11 with xmodmap, now i've to do it in console too
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10:46<plipp>I have a USB-device that has a handful of interfaces that are all audio-related except one HID, which uses the Endpoint EP 1 (IN, type: interrupt). The device can however accept commands from the computer to. The only EP OUT is in one of the audio-interfaces though. Is that the one to use anyhow, and/or are there other possibilities?
10:47<zy>rendar: I have not used setkeycode, which deal with the kernel keymap. I think you can modify the per-device keymap with udev rules (squeeze).
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10:48<rendar>zy, i totally doesn't know what a udev rule is, there isn't a short way to work it out? in X11 i've fixed it in 3 minutes...
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10:49<zy>rendar: my example, put a file in /etc/udev/rules.d/ contain: ENV{ID_VENDOR}=="CHESEN", ENV{ID_MODEL_ID}=="0101", RUN+="keymap $name 0x10081 f15 0x10082 f14"
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10:49<rendar>ok, and after?
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10:50<zy>rendar: this amounts to map the scancode 0x10081 to key f15, and 0x10082 to f14. Adapt and it is done.
10:50<rendar>how i have to name that file?
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10:51<rendar>zy, also, if i write getkeycodes, are all blank, only the first is '0' ..is that normal?
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10:53<zy>rendar: basically, as you wish, there are other files in the directory, you can take similar names like "95-mykeymap.rules"; the "CHESEN" and "0101" thing in my example are found by `udevadm info --export-db'
10:54<dominick>I'm trying to install Debian GNU/Hurd. I know there is a way to install the base system from the repository, and the instructions at http://www.debian.org/ports/hurd/hurd-install are missing. Please help!
10:55<zy>rendar: I do not understand you question about getkeycodes, my output of getkeycodes are mixed texts and tables.
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10:56<rendar>zy, in that tables i have all "-" expect for the first that is "0"
10:56<rendar>zy, and setkeycodes still returns that strange error...
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10:58<zy>rendar: I guest that means those are not mapped? But I have two tables, 0x50~0x7f and e000~e07f
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11:00<zy>rendar: when you have that file, do /etc/init.d udev reload; I think if this do not work, neither will setkeycodes
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11:01<Habstina1>How would I go about using your custom scripts to compile sources into a .deb file?
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11:15<cipher_>Is there a way to force a read only file system to mount as read/write (which it is....)
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11:17<dominick>how do i create an extra partition? I'm trying to use a bit of my home partition, but gparted is unable to unmount it
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11:17<cipher_>you are trying to unmount a partition that your OS is on?
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11:18<dominick>cipher_, no. I'm trying to unmount my home partition.
11:19<cipher_>Well i always use a live Cd, sorry.
11:19<dominick>cipher_, I don't have a cd/dvd rom
11:19<cipher_>usb then?
11:20<dominick>cipher_, hmm.. nice idea. that also reminds me, usb in itself is an extra partition.
11:21<cipher_>my memorystick is still read only with:sudo mount -n -o remount,rw /media/disk
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11:26<cipher_>dominick; I am assuming you googled live usb linux? (something along those lines)
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11:32<dominick>cipher_, I google Debian GNU/Hurd, to find http://www.debian.org/ports/hurd/hurd-install where the instructions are strangely missing!
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11:33<cipher_>Don't use hurd...
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11:33<dominick>cipher_, sorry, not your call!
11:34<dominick>cipher_, I'm aware it's still under active development and all, but it's my only chance to peep inside a linux a little too deep!
11:34<cipher_>dominick: http://www.slax.org/get_slax.php
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11:35<cipher_>dominick: I thought you needed a live distro to partition your os.
11:35<cipher_>and hurd is not linux
11:35<dominick>I needed a partition to install hurd!
11:35<cipher_>ohh
11:35<cipher_>well the link i gave you was just a pendrive linux distro
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11:36<cipher_>Is there a way to force a read only file system to mount as read/write (which it was 5 minutes ago?)
11:36<cipher_>I tried:sudo mount -n -o remount,rw /media/disk
11:36<dominick>cipher_, never mind. Anyways, I'm trying to bring to the community's notice that the link http://www.debian.org/ports/hurd/hurd-install is missing almost all information. I haven't been acknowledged yet. Should I file a bug in debian?
11:37<cipher_>Not sure; however why not?
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11:57<dominick>cipher_, this is now the first bug I filed! Glad I could do something for the community!
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12:13<unixabg>Greetings, I am looking for vps manager tools for lxc containers. There are many tools available for openvz and xen but I do not see anything on a short bit of looking for lxc. Any help appreciated.
12:14<mjt>libvirt?
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12:20<unixabg>mjt, does it offer a web interface for clients?
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12:21<mjt>no idea
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12:22<unixabg>mjt, thanks for the response. I will examine further.
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12:32<Cipper>help
12:33<Cipper>как тут зарегиться? и нужно ли?
12:33<ompaul>!ru
12:33<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net. or use English here.
12:34<Cipper>Thanks
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13:47<spicaroot>Debian Squeeze with xfce4. I need something with a gui that will let me select network and stuff. What should I use?
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13:50<jhutchins_kc>spicaroot: http://www.cdavis.us/wiki/index.php/Installing_A_Debian_Etch_Xfce_Desktop_On_A_Thinkpad_z60m#Wireless_Networking
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13:53<jhutchins_kc>Interesting, dmesg shows the scanner, but xsane doesn't see it.
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13:55<yoshio>spicaroot, do you have Applications -> System Tools -> Network Tools ?
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14:04<Sypherify>Good Evening
14:04<spicaroot>yoshio: Not yet, I'm following the instructions on the site I got though. And sorry for the late reply, am rooting a phone at the same time :)
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14:05<Moraes>ooi ?
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14:09<spicaroot>Thanks for the help, network applet appears!
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14:49<PeterFabinski>hi
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15:19<yoshie>the compiler used to compile the kernel (gcc 4.1) does not exactly match the current compiler (gcc 4.3). Im trying to install nvidia driver from main nvidia site.
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15:20<devil>yoshie: you could do it the debian way
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15:21<yoshie>devil: only prob is I was told its better to do the website way because of the gaming that I will be doing
15:21<devil>yoshie: debian way install the same driver than from the site in a better way.
15:22<devil>depending on your card, you might need a different source
15:22<yoshie>devil: oh ok, that will work:) whats the commands to accomplish this?
15:22<devil>the command is to look at the debian wiki for nvidia :)
15:22<devil>what card is that?
15:22<yoshie>nvidia geforce GT 240
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15:23<yoshie>02:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation Device 0ca3 (rev a2)
15:23<devil>http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers
15:23<devil>hm, must be pretty new, no?
15:23<Torsten_W>needs the driver from experimental
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15:23<Torsten_W>hoping, it's a 64bit system
15:23<devil>nvidia lost me with the new naming scheme
15:23<yoshie>it is
15:24<yoshie>amd 64
15:24<Arrowmaster>one in testing works fine for me on a GTX 275
15:24<yoshie>should i do Free drivers or Nouveau ?
15:24<Torsten_W>nouveau does not support those cards
15:25<devil>yoshie: i thought you wanted the proprietary one?
15:25<Torsten_W>and the 260-series drivers are the better choice for gt/gtx 2/3/4xxx cards
15:25<devil>nv is crap these days
15:25<yoshie>devil: yeah i do, but not a clue what to do here lol
15:25<guilherme>hi, i have installed the debian squeeze, but it does not have sound, but when i try alsactl init my sound works, what can i do to start sound at boot time? whitout using "alsactl init" manually
15:25<yoshie>Torsten_W yeah i would like to use the 260 drivers
15:26<Torsten_W>the are in experimental
15:26<yoshie>where can i find the experimental?
15:26<Arrowmaster>is there a reason they havent moved to unstable yet?
15:26<Torsten_W>so you can use the debian way instead of installing by bypassing the package-management
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15:26<Torsten_W>Arrowmaster, freeze?
15:26<devil>yoshie: follow the page, but add -t experimental to the apt-get install line after adding it to sources.list
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15:26<Arrowmaster>Torsten_W: why would the freeze effect unstable?
15:27<Torsten_W>because it is so
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15:27<devil>Arrowmaster: it does, a lot.
15:27<Torsten_W>the other point would be, if there where no freeze, 32bit packages are not there
15:28<jhutchins>guilherme: You probably want to remove pulseaudio - that might fix it.
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15:29<guilherme>i dont have pulseaudio installed
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15:34<yoshio>!alsa checklist
15:34<dpkg>1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels & toggle jack sense) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) OSS modules unloaded? 5) speakers on? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. See also <list alsa users>.
15:34<yoshie>devil: ok witch one do I install from here?
15:36<devil>from here?
15:36<yoshie>the webpage
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15:37<devil>sry, telephone...
15:37<guilherme>how can i set myself at 'audio' group??
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15:39<chealer>Torsten_W: they're just not built. usually packages are uploaded built for a single architecture.
15:39<Mr_Speedy>hello everyone
15:39<guilherme>i'm at the audio group
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15:42<chealer>Arrowmaster: unstable is used as a testbed for what's going to testing. if versions not intended for testing are uploaded to unstable, that prevents fixing a problem in testing via unstable, the fix would need to go to testing-proposed-updates instead, which is rare.
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15:44<Mr_Speedy>I have an unusual situation: I connect to the internet via a VPN connection. As far as I know Debian 5 after install does not have support for making VPN connections until you install something (like openVPN). I need to download what I need via Windows, then reboot into Debian and install it, to get my internet working. Any tips/suggestions?
15:44<abrotman>the freeze does affect unstable
15:47<petemc>Mr_Speedy: depending on the vpn type, vpnc may work for you
15:48<Mr_Speedy>I need to make a PPTP tunnel
15:48<chealer>Mr_Speedy: how did you install Debian?
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15:48<Mr_Speedy>I'll check out vpnc thanks
15:49<Mr_Speedy>via a CD I downloaded through windows
15:49<Mr_Speedy>I could not connect to the net via installation
15:51<chealer>Mr_Speedy: I'm not sure what's on CD 1, but you may want another CD or the first DVD instead. you'll need pptp-linux and perhaps network-manager-pptp.
15:52<Mr_Speedy>I'll search for those on the Debian site then... I can download as many CDs / DVDs as it takes
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16:00<Mr_Speedy>thank you... I know in which direction to continue my search :)
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16:33<otzi>hello. I have a file here which has some terminal control characters. So if I do 'cat file' it displays nicely, but it's long and I can't page using cat. Any suggestions as what would work for me?
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16:36<otzi>less doesn't work because of the terminal control characters
16:36<hide>Good evening everyone. How can I clear 'errors' counter for a specific network interface, seen in `ifconfig`?
16:36<devil>hm
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16:45<[e0f]>hide: look at http://serverfault.com/questions/25844/how-can-i-reset-the-statistics-reported-by-ifconfig
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16:46<otzi>I guess I can roll my own script using head and tail
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17:30<pablo>hola
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17:55<jldesign>I am trying to get my Dell server internet working with no luck it is (reference) once i hook the internet cable it does not detect the IP not even the little lights does not twinkle. can any one help in this issue
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17:55<jldesign>HI
17:56<jldesign>I am trying to get my Dell server internet working with no luck it is (reference) once i hook the internet cable it does not detect the IP not even the little lights does not twinkle. can any one help in this issue.
17:56<retrospectacus>you just said that
17:57<yoshio>jldesign, type "ifconfig" - is your interface recognized?
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17:57<jldesign>yes
17:58<jldesign>yoshio, Yes
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18:00<yoshio>jldesign, assuming that the interface is eth0, do you have a line like "iface eth0 inet dhcp" in /etc/network/interfaces? (assuming you want dhcp. did you want a static address?)
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18:01<yoshio>oh, the lights on the hub? or does it have lights on the ethernet card itself?
18:01<jldesign>yoshio, i dhcp don't give me the ip adresse
18:01<yoshio>jldesign, try a different cable, maybe you have a crossover cable
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18:01<jldesign>yoshio, is good one is try it with my laptop i get internet on it
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18:02<jldesign>yoshio, PS: i don't have legth on Server NIC
18:03<jldesign>yoshio, i mean with i put there R45
18:05<yoshio>jldesign, if your ifconfig output, does it show "UP" - if it's down, it won't do anything
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18:05<jldesign>yoshio, UP
18:06<jldesign>yoshio, it show UP
18:06<yoshio>jldesign, type "dhclient -i eth0"
18:08<jldesign>yoshio, are you sur there is -i
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18:09<yoshio>maybe no -i then
18:10<jldesign>yoshio, dhclient eth0 --> No DHCPOFFERS received
18:10<yoshio>do you have more than one nic in your machine?
18:11<ken_>hi
18:11<ken_>watsup
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18:12<yoshio>jldesign, which nic do you have? does it show up in "lspci -v" ?
18:12<ken_>hey
18:12<ken_>how is everybody day going
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18:13<ken_>hello
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18:13<ken_>anyone here
18:15<ken_>hello
18:15<ken_>wow
18:15<jldesign>yoshio, yes i can see 2 of NIC in lspci -v
18:15<ken_>hello
18:16<ken_>hey
18:16<jldesign>yoshio, Kernel in use: bnx2 for both
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18:16<yoshio>!bnx2
18:16<dpkg>[bnx2] The driver for Broadcom NetXtreme II 1Gb (BCM5706/5708/5709/5716) NIC chipsets. Firmware from userspace is required since linux-2.6 2.6.24-7; ask me about <non-free sources> and install the firmware-bnx2 package to provide. If required, ask me about <installer firmware> to provide bnx2 firmware files for device use at Debian installation time. See also <bcm5716>, <bnx2x>.
18:17<yoshio>jldesign, did you try the cable in the other port?
18:18<jldesign>yoshio, the same result
18:19<yoshio>strange you don't have the link light
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18:24<yoshio>jldesign, did you install firmware for the bnx2?
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18:24<jldesign>how can i do this
18:25<jldesign>yoshio, where is can foud this and how can i install it ?
18:25<yoshio>!tell jldesign about bnx2
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19:39<gladioacuto>hi all
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19:40<gladioacuto>is it possible i've X running but no /etc/X11/xorg.conf file in my system?
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19:40<yoshio>xorg.conf is optional now, everything should be auto detected
19:41<gladioacuto>yoshio, how to add lines for font specification?
19:41<gladioacuto>yoshio, the equivalent way, a mean
19:42<gladioacuto>i mean
19:42<gladioacuto>anyway, even if xorg.conf is optional, how to get it?
19:45<cthuluh>X -configure :1
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19:46<yoshio>!font
19:46<dpkg>[fonts] Fonts available as Debian packages are automatically configured for use via <defoma>. To add user-supplied fonts to a Debian system, ask me about <install font> or see http://wiki.debian.org/Fonts . For general font information, see http://www.nwalsh.com/comp.fonts/FAQ/ . See also <mscorefonts>, <ttf>.
19:46<gladioacuto>!install font
19:46<dpkg>To install fonts for just one user, copy them into ~/.fonts/ and then run fc-cache -fv (or ask me about <kfontinst>). To install system-wide, copy them into /usr/share/fonts/truetype/myfonts or into /usr/local/share/fonts/truetype/myfonts (but you will have to add /usr/local/share/fonts/ to your xorg.conf) and run fc-cache -fv as root.
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20:02<Ne0WizArd> how do i install firefox ?
20:03<cthuluh>install iceweasel
20:03<abrotman>Ne0WizArd: aptitude install iceweasel
20:04<Ne0WizArd>is that firefox ?
20:04<retrospectacus>it's exactly the same as firefox
20:05<Ne0WizArd>ok
20:05<cthuluh>dpkg: tell Ne0WizArd -about iceweasel
20:06<Ne0WizArd>ok ill try that thanks
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20:17<Aleric>Can I plug a SATA plug over life, or so I have to shutdown my PC first (to avoid hardware damage)?
20:19<abrotman>over life?
20:19<Aleric>plug over, from one plug to another on my motherboard, and life as in without rebooting or turning PC off
20:20<Aleric>That's weird... I did put a four port SATA card in my box, and it isn't even listed with lspci :(
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20:22<Aleric>Hmm, dmesg says ata6: SATA link down (SStatus 0 SControl 300) ... So I guess that if I plug a disk in there now it won't see it anyway until I reboot :/
20:22<abrotman>did you at least unmount the filesystem first?
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20:23<Aleric>It's not mounted, the PCI card is not detected
20:23<Aleric>I plugged in a PCI card with four SATA ports, and plugged a disk in it to see if it would see it.. but that doesn't work thus. :/
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20:24<Aleric>This is really weird though... shouldn't lspci *always* see any PCI cards that I have plugged into my PC?
20:24<abrotman>!scsi rescan
20:24<dpkg>from memory, scsi rescan is echo "- - -" > /sys/class/scsi_host/host#/scan (where # is the number of the relevant SCSI host). Any new devices found will be listed in /proc/scsi/scsi. Functionality now in sysfs (scsi host has scan node, scsi device has a rescan node). Alternatively, aptitude install scsitools && rescan-scsi-bus.sh, or see the scsiadd package.
20:25<abrotman>yes, lspci should show them, unless there is some sort of IRC conflict that keeps it from working (maybe, not sure)
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20:29<rpgdude>hey whats up everyone
20:29<Aleric>I don't even have /proc/scsi (nor scsi disks, these are serial ATA disks)
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20:37<ne0>does debian have a wireless manager bye default ?
20:38<cthuluh>the default debian install (CD1 with gnome) comes with network-manager
20:38<cthuluh>(which is graphical and supports wifi)
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20:40<ne0>i used the network install
20:41<cthuluh>then it depends on which desktop environment you choosed
20:41<ne0>gnome
20:42<cthuluh>then you probably have network-manager running
20:42<ne0>i cant find it anywhere
20:42<ne0>the wifi card is active and it has the proper driver
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20:46<ne0>cthuluh how do i scan for wifi networks ?
20:47<cthuluh>iwlist wlan0 scan
20:47<cthuluh>else you could use network-manager
20:48<cthuluh>but as I am not a gnome user, I can't tell you how to run it - it should already be running
20:48<retrospectacus>ne0: run "nm-applet" in the terminal
20:48<cthuluh>dpkg: tell ne0 -about network-manager
20:49<retrospectacus>ne0: it may say An instance of nm-applet is already running. or the icon will appear in the notification area
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20:52<ne0>i see it next to the time but when i click on wifi it wont show me my wifi network
20:53<retrospectacus>what's the line in "lspci -nn" for your wireless card
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20:57<Emmanuel_Chanel>Hello!
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20:58<Emmanuel_Chanel>I wanna install lvm volumes. But my installer CD1 doesn't show lvm partitioning on its partitioner... The CD image is debian-squeeze-di-beta2-i386-CD-1.iso , at 2010-12-10 17:42:18 UTC . Someone can help me?
20:58<ne0>its a broadcom BCM3200 b/g
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21:07<walter_>I followed the tutorial for debian-wiki for installing the nvidia driver. But when I run glxinfo as root returns me error: unable to open display: 0.0
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21:09<walter_>Can anyone help me please?
21:12<docno>you better use sudo glxionfo instead of run out of root terminal
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21:12<docno>its a little confuse, but root haven't acces on display 0.0
21:14<babilen>docno: sudo is not available on all machines.
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21:15<babilen>walter_: "xhost +" ?
21:15<cthuluh>hmmm
21:15<cthuluh>walter_: do you really want to run glxinfo as root?
21:16<cthuluh>if the answer is yes, then DISPLAY=:0.0 glxinfo
21:16<cthuluh>will do the trick
21:16<cthuluh>provided your X server is running
21:16<walter_>cthuluh, no
21:16<walter_>sorry I'm noob and I'm learning English, I'm using google translator. Brazilian user.
21:16<cthuluh>!br
21:16<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
21:16<cthuluh>(of course, you can ask here)
21:17<walter_>thanks
21:17<walter_>cthuluh, I just need the driver to work properly
21:18<cthuluh>walter_: do you have X running after activating your driver?
21:18<walter_>cthuluh, yes
21:19<walter_>but glxinfo does not work.
21:19<cthuluh>walter_: then open a terminal (as your user, not root) and then launch glxinfo
21:19<walter_>Excuse me for my ignorance
21:20<cthuluh>is it ok?
21:20<walter_>yes
21:20<walter_>>_<
21:20<cthuluh>this is not ignorance, btw
21:20<cthuluh>glxinfo | grep render, also
21:21<sney>nvidia drivers are a pain in the butt even when you do speak english
21:21<cthuluh>sney: nvidia drivers are a pain in the butt. period.
21:22<walter_>Everything is harder when no one knows English, I will strive to learn more.
21:22<walter_>Thank you for your attention
21:22<walter_>rebooting
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22:42<Marry>my virtual box is not working in Backtrack R2
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23:10<Ipsilon>trying to install skype on squeeze 64bit. getting ia32-libs and ia32-libs-gtk as broken. Any ideas?
23:10<cthuluh>get ekiga
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23:11<Ipsilon>can it handle audio with other skype users?
23:11<cthuluh>probably not
23:11<Ipsilon>then that's hardly a solution.
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23:12<cthuluh>no free software can handle audio with skype
23:12<cthuluh>then I hardly see how can skype be a solution
23:13<Ipsilon>skype is a solution to the problem of a large part of the population being on skype.
23:13<babilen>what do you mean by "as broken" ?
23:13<sney>don't argue about software choices, gentlemen. this is not ##linux.
23:13<Ipsilon>I didn't mean to :/
23:14<Ipsilon>babilen: it says they will not be installed
23:14<Ipsilon>E: Broken packages
23:14<Ipsilon>Depends: lib32gcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1) but it is not going to be installed
23:14<babilen>!bat
23:14<dpkg>In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
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23:15<babilen>but i'm off now. you should be able to install those packages without problems. you must have misconfigured something :-\
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23:15<lionrafael>Fresh Squeeze install: mouse won't move, cat /dev/psaux or /dev/input/mice have produced no output. how can I add support for my mouse?
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23:16<Ipsilon>sec, let me get it on pastebin
23:16<Ipsilon>or the like
23:16<lionrafael>I could make it work in gentoo by adding kernel support
23:18<Ipsilon>
23:18<Ipsilon>http://pastebin.com/5Rp0CxQ6
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23:19<Ipsilon>One thing i did was forget to get rid of the sid repo before i restarted my pc after nvidia install (I'm on testing). But I didn't do any updates before i figured it out.
23:20<lionrafael>can anybody help me with my mouse issues?
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23:21<retrospectacus>Ipsilon: let's see "apt-cache policy ia32-libs"
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23:22<Ipsilon>http://pastebin.com/4DDmKC4q
23:24<retrospectacus>,versions ia32-libs --arch amd64
23:24<judd>Package ia32-libs on amd64 -- etch: 1.19; lenny: 2.7+lenny1; squeeze: 20101117; sid: 20101129
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23:25<retrospectacus>Ipsilon: can you apt-get install ia32-libs lib32gcc1 and paste that
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23:25<retrospectacus>you got your sources.list fixed and updated aptitude right?
23:25<Ipsilon>yes.
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23:26<Ipsilon>http://pastebin.com/tfxGRyxy
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23:27<retrospectacus>,versions gcc-4.4-base --arch amd64
23:27<judd>Package gcc-4.4-base on amd64 -- squeeze: 4.4.5-8; sid: 4.4.5-10
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23:27<retrospectacus>hmm you have that from sid
23:28<Ipsilon>:/
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23:36<Ipsilon>I still don't understand why it would mark them as broken in any case, beyond the fact that i don't have the sid repositories.
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23:38<retrospectacus>the lib32gcc1 it wants to install from squeeze needs gcc-4.4-base (= 4.4.5-8) but you hae 4.4.5-10 from sid
23:39-!-mode/#debian [+l 407] by debhelper
23:39<Ipsilon>"4.4.5-10 is to be installed"
23:39<retrospectacus>ehhh
23:39<retrospectacus>check apt-cache policy gcc-4.4-base
23:40<Ipsilon>I see.
23:40<Ipsilon>does this have something to do with nvidia drivers? that would explain why it installed.
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23:41<retrospectacus>probably.
23:42<retrospectacus>You'll just have to install more stuff from squeeze to get this (skype,was it?) installed
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23:44<Ipsilon>:/ half the system depends on gcc-4.4-base
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23:45<retrospectacus>yeah don't try and remove it or "downgrade" or anything... you'll have to switch back to <tum> and finish installing
23:46<retrospectacus>oh sorry I meant SID at (20:42) there, not squeeze
23:46<retrospectacus>more stuff from sid
23:46<Ipsilon>oh
23:48<Ipsilon>so should i activace sid repo and do the download?
23:48<Ipsilon>that is ia32-libs
23:49<retrospectacus>yeah and whatever else you need for skype to get working
23:49<Ipsilon>eventually it should lag down back to testing?
23:50<retrospectacus>you should implement a squeeze/sid hybrid, preferring squeeze. Here's how
23:50<retrospectacus>!tum
23:50<dpkg>echo 'APT::Default-Release "testing";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf, edit sources.list, copy your non-security testing lines and change one set to sid, then apt-get update. Use apt-get -t sid install foo; to install foo from sid rather than testing as usual. WARNING to SYNAPTIC users: Synaptic ignores Default-Release: set Preferences->Distribution
23:55<Ipsilon>why does it mention apt.conf? I don't even have such a file/dir
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23:56<Ipsilon>http://pastebin.com/M6zVQEWV
23:57<Ipsilon>is this what it means as having for sources.list?
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23:57<retrospectacus>yep and also that line in apt.conf
23:58<retrospectacus>you may have to create it
23:58<Ipsilon>oh, i see. the 'APT::Default-Release "testing";' line. I was a bit confused by that
23:59<Ipsilon>ok
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