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00:00<retrospectacus>I have to go, ciao!
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00:00<Ipsilon>alright, thanks a lot
00:00<retrospectacus>(though you won't see me leave, screen ftw), yw
00:00<Ipsilon>hehe :p
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00:08<Ipsilon>well, seems to be installing.
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00:09<Ipsilon>hopefully I did everything right, and my system won't all of a sudden turn into Sid.
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00:11<Ipsilon>It worked.
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00:14<Ipsilon>,versions mplayer --arch amd64
00:15<judd>Package mplayer on amd64 -- etch: 1.0~rc1-12etch7; etch-security: 1.0~rc1-12etch7; lenny: 1.0~rc2-17+lenny3.2; lenny-security: 1.0~rc2-17+lenny3.2; etch-multimedia: 1:1.0-rc1svn20070225-0.3etch1; lenny-multimedia: 1:1.0.rc2svn20080706-0.1lenny4; sid: 2:1.0~rc3++final.dfsg1-1; squeeze: 2:1.0~rc3++final.dfsg1-1; sid-multimedia: 2:1.0~rc3++svn20100804-0.1; squeeze-multimedia:
00:15<judd>2:1.0~rc3++svn20100804-0.1; experimental: 2:1.0~rc4~try1.dsfg1-1
00:15<Ipsilon>ugh, i guess that's a bad example...
00:15<Ipsilon>,versions gnome-do --arch amd64
00:16<judd>Package gnome-do on amd64 -- lenny: 0.4.2.0-1; sid: 0.8.3.1+dfsg-2; squeeze: 0.8.3.1+dfsg-2
00:17<Ipsilon>,versions gcc --arch amd64
00:17<judd>Package gcc on amd64 -- etch: 4:4.1.1-15; lenny: 4:4.3.2-2; squeeze: 4:4.4.5-1; sid: 4:4.4.5-2; experimental: 4:4.5.1-1exp1
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00:32<tash>is there any file where gnome-panel store its launchers info?
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00:40<NeonLevel>anyone knows an easy guide to generate books using calibre!
00:40<NeonLevel>?
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00:41<manish>hi
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00:42<NeonLevel>hi
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01:24<dragonfly>hey!
01:29<retrospectacus>!fruitsmite dragonfly
01:29*dpkg smites dragonfly with a basketful of mangos
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01:29<dragonfly>mmmm mangos :)
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01:40<leocade>hey guys
01:40<leocade>i was wondering if i could get some help with problems im having with installing debian
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01:40<cthuluh>leocade: just explain your problem. if someone can help he will
01:40<leocade>cool
01:41<leocade>i managed to install debian on my laptop from a usb drive by mounting it to /cdrom
01:41<leocade>the first one i used was netinstall
01:42<leocade>and this one im trying to do on my desktop is from a CD iso file i put on my flashdrive
01:42<leocade>and when it asks for cd it says that it cant find it so i tried mounting it again, like i did before
01:43<cthuluh>did you read the official debian method to install from an usb drive?
01:43<leocade>but it returns "mounting /dev/cdroms/cdrom0 on /cdrom failed: invalid argument
01:43<cthuluh>oh
01:43<leocade>i tried the program that they suggested but i've had less success that way
01:44<cthuluh>which program?
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01:44<dragonfly>leocade, i'm not familiar with doing it that way (I always just burn it to disk cause cds are cheap) but usually a usb drive will show up as /dev/sdb so i would try to mount /dev/sdbX /cdrom
01:44<leocade>hmm it was some weeks ago, i had to download it on windows and run it through command prompt
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01:46<cthuluh>leocade: I meant this: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html.en
01:46<leocade>i tried mount /dev/sdb /cdrom and /dev/sdb1 /cdrom and it says the same thing failed: invalid argument
01:47<cthuluh>you need to mount the iso file
01:47<cthuluh>mount -o loop ./my.iso /cdrom
01:48<leocade>how do i get it from the usb drive? i try to mount the usb drive so that i can get to the iso file
01:48<leocade>and it says the same thing
01:48<cthuluh>perhaps is the usb drive alreay mounted, don't you think?
01:49<cthuluh>leocade: type "mount" at the command prompt
01:49<leocade>i cant remember the iso name, which directory would it be in?
01:49<dragonfly>leocade, what is the output of "mount"?
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01:49<DjKazik>Witam
01:49<dragonfly>leocade, the iso would be in whatever directory you put it in...if you can't remember, let's get it mounted and we can help you find it
01:50<leocade>rootfs on / type rootfs (rw) none on /proc type proc (rw) none on /sys type sysfs (rw) tmpfs on /dev type tmpfs (rw, mode 755) none on /dev pwts type devpts (rw, mode-600)
01:51<dragonfly>ok, so we know it's not mounted.....
01:52<leocade>i used netbootin and HDmedia and i put the image on the flash drive too
01:52<dragonfly>leocade, try fdisk -l and that is the letter L not a 1....and see what the output of that is (should show us what partitions and disks you have)
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01:52<leocade>i tried using syslinux but it returned errors so i ditched it
01:52<leocade>fdisk wont run from the installer
01:53<leocade>not found
01:53<leocade>and listing free space from bash only showed tmpfs
01:53<cthuluh>cat /proc/partitions
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01:54<leocade>yeah.. i got a lot of partitions
01:54<cthuluh>lucky you 8)
01:54<DjKazik>http://firepic.org/?v=12-2010_1n2s0x.jpg
01:54<DjKazik>Perhaps someone knows why I do not have a menu bar at the top?
01:55<mattcen>DjKazik: Probably because you've got a misconfigured Gnome config, or have deleted it.
01:55<leocade>okay so its either sdb, sdb1, sdc, sdc1. how do blocks convert to GB?
01:56<dragonfly>leocade, your flash drive is probably smaller than any other drive you have :)
01:56<DjKazik>mattcen, You know how to fix this?
01:56<leocade>i put swap at 4gigs
01:56<dragonfly>but is swap on it's own drive?
01:56<leocade>and the flash is 8 gigs
01:57<mattcen>DjKazik: The way *I* would fix it would be to delete the gnome config; that is if there's nothing in there that you don't want to lose. Is this a fresh installation?
01:57<cthuluh>here blocks are 1kB (in /proc/partitions)
01:57<leocade>i have a 1tb that i put swap on and a 250gb that i split into 2 and partitioned 150gb for linux
01:57<DjKazik>mattcen, yes
01:57<cthuluh>leocade: ok so you should find your usb drive easily
01:58<dragonfly>ok, so looking at the blocks, you should see sda sdb and sdc, the one with the fewest blocks is probably the flash drive
01:58<mattcen>DjKazik: And have you copied or re-used your home directory from somewhere else?
01:58<leocade>ok im gonna guess since 1kb is 1 block that sdc is the one im looking for
01:58<DjKazik>mattcen, yyy.... no :)
01:58<leocade>so try and mount with the new one?
01:58<DjKazik>im a noob..windows child ^^
01:58<dragonfly>yeah, try mounting /dev/sdc1 to /cdrom
01:58<DjKazik>but i need linux on my dedicate server
01:58<cthuluh>nope
01:59<cthuluh>leocade: mkdir /foo; mount /dev/sdc1 /foo
01:59<leocade>ah sweet i think thats what did it
01:59<leocade>i was under the impression that sdb was the default location of external devices since thats what i read on most forums
02:00<leocade>ah and now its coming up with problem reading data
02:00<cthuluh>leocade: it could be sdc , not sdc1
02:00<mattcen>DjKazik: I can't imagine why you have this problem then... Perhaps try something like: "mkdir ~/old; mv ~/.gnome* ~/old" in a terminal and then log out and back in
02:00<leocade>i tried sdc and it got passed the cdrom check
02:00<DjKazik>mattcen, ok. w8
02:00<leocade>should i check integrity?
02:00<cthuluh>hmmm
02:00<cthuluh>well
02:01<cthuluh>yes, please do that
02:01<leocade>ah ok
02:01<leocade>i think it wants me to mount the iso
02:02<cthuluh>yes
02:02<cthuluh>so
02:02<cthuluh>cd /foo && ls
02:02<DjKazik>mattcen, You can write to me exactly how I enter command in the terminal?
02:02<mattcen>Everything in those quotes in my last message
02:02<leocade>cthuluh: can't cd to /foo
02:03<mattcen>DjKazik: Do you know *anything* about linux commands? Or should I be explaining what that does?
02:03<cthuluh>leocade: you said that you had mounted /dev/sdc to /foo
02:03<cthuluh>leocade: did you?
02:03<DjKazik>mattcen, mkdir ~/old; mv ~/.gnome* ~/old ?
02:03<mattcen>Yes
02:03<leocade>i mounted it to /cdrom
02:03<cthuluh>leocade: you shouldn't have
02:03<leocade>ouch
02:04<leocade>should i restart installation?
02:04<cthuluh>no
02:04<DjKazik>mattcen, mkdir: can not create directory `/ root / old ': File exists
02:04<DjKazik>mv: can not stat `/ root / .gnome * ': No such file or directory
02:04<cthuluh>leocade: are you ready to follow hints?
02:04<OsirisX>last night gnome-shell was removed from the debian repository - does anyone know why? (is gnome3-session the replacement?)
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02:05<leocade>yeah
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02:05<cthuluh>ok so umount /cdrom
02:05<leocade>unmount not found
02:05<dragonfly>umount not unmount
02:06<cthuluh>
02:06<leocade>ah
02:06<dragonfly>cthuluh, sorry, i think i led him astray...i suggested mounting to /cdrom because that is what he was trying to do before....my bad
02:06<leocade>yeah i thought i saw it somewhere xD
02:06<cthuluh>leocade: is that ok?
02:06<cthuluh>dragonfly: np, dude
02:06<leocade>yeah it worked
02:06<cthuluh>mkdir -p /foo && mount /dev/sdc /foo
02:07<cthuluh>if you do 'ls /foo' you should see some files
02:07<mattcen>DjKazik: hmmm. It looks like there is already a file called old. So use a different filename. I've got to head off though. Try http://http://en.flossmanuals.net/gnulinux or http://www.linuxcommand.org/tlcl.php for some general Linux help.
02:08<leocade>ok. trying that command showed me that it was sdc1 and not sdc
02:08<leocade>yep i got it
02:08<leocade>any specific reason for the dir name foo?
02:08<mattcen>DjKazik: Your Gnome configuration will be stored in ~/.gnome* or ~/.gconf*, so if you shift those directories out of the way, I would hope that the problem goes away. What version of Debian are you using, and which language? I wonder if it doesn't like the language you're giving it...
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02:08<cthuluh>leocade: no, and then mount -o loop /foo/my.iso /cdrom
02:09<dragonfly>leocade, there is no reason behind foo other than it is a directory which is not likely to conflict with anything and can be removed later...you could use aefxd if you wanted instead
02:09<cthuluh>yeah, I liked aefxd too, actually
02:10<DjKazik>mattcen, Debian 5.0 (lenny) | polish
02:11<mattcen>Hmmm. I'm not sure.
02:11<cthuluh>leocade: where 'my.iso' is the name of your real iso, of course
02:12<leocade>ok. i tried typing in the whole name of the iso and it returned "cannot setup loop device: no such file ore directory
02:12<dragonfly>leocade, sounds like we need to find the iso
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02:12<dragonfly>ls /foo/*.iso
02:12<leocade>so thinking maybe i made a mistake i couldnt spot i changed it to /foo/debian* /cdrom
02:12<cthuluh>leocade: use TAB to complete filenames. it prevents errors
02:13<dragonfly>cthuluh, I LOVE the TAB complete feature :)
02:13<leocade>and using debian* returned the same problem
02:13<cthuluh>oh wait, does ash support TAB completion? :|
02:13<DjKazik>mattcen, when i use command: ~/.gnome* or ~/.gconf i have response: "No such file or directory"
02:13<leocade>i got it with TAB
02:13<dragonfly>leocade, if ls /foo/*.iso doesn't show it to you, try ls /foo and see what directory it might be in
02:13<mattcen>DjKazik: That wasn't a command.
02:13<leocade>but same problem
02:14<DjKazik>mattcen, ups ;]
02:14<DjKazik>oops*
02:14<cthuluh>leocade: got to go. good luck
02:14<leocade>it says its there. i have a feeling theres a stupid mistake im doing
02:14<dragonfly>cthuluh, I'm not sure about ash supporting tab completion, but I also like the double-tab to show list of options :)
02:15<mattcen>Those were possible globs for directories that would contain your Gnome configuration. Perhaps flick through that reference at Flossmanuals I gave you to get started; before I can be much more help I think you need to understand how to work with the linux command line more.
02:15<mattcen>DjKazik: The only other thing you might like to try might be right-clicking where the menu should be and seeing if you can add one.
02:16<DjKazik>mattcen, i can't do enything
02:16<DjKazik>onlu sound button response
02:16<DjKazik>only*
02:17<mattcen>Sorry, I don't think I can be of any more help.
02:17<dragonfly>DjKazik, it's a bit risky, but I have an idea that might help you do what mattcen has been trying to accomplish
02:18<DjKazik>dragonfly, i have nothing to lose
02:18<leocade>okay, i changed directory to /foo/ and tried and the same error, then i tried changing it to mount -o loop *iso /cdrom
02:18<leocade>and nothing
02:18<dragonfly>ok...well, first of all, are you on irc on the same box that you are trying to get working?
02:19<dragonfly>leocade, you don't want to use a wildcard in the mount command
02:19<leocade>i tried using TAB and typing out the name too
02:19<dragonfly>leocade, when you do "ls *.iso" do you see the iso file?
02:19<leocade>and it says cannot setup loop device: no such file or directory
02:20<leocade>yeah
02:20<dragonfly>and what is the name of that file?
02:20<MeglaW>damn
02:20<MeglaW>ohh, wrong chan. OT
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02:20<dragonfly>lol MeglaW, i was wondering what you were goin' on about :P
02:20<leocade>debian-507-amd64-CD-1.iso
02:21<dragonfly>ok, leocade, so you want to do "mount -o loop debian-507-amd64-CD-1.iso /cdrom"
02:22<dragonfly>when we talk about tab, you can type mount -o loop debia<TAB> /cdrom and it *should* fill in the rest of that filename so you don't have to type it all...if it doesn't, let me know
02:22<leocade>same thing. could it be an error with the iso?
02:22<leocade>it did
02:22<leocade>hmm
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02:22<leocade>its not working anymore
02:22<dragonfly>ok :) ...I'm not exactly sure on the whole loop device thing, I've only had reason to use it a few times :S
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02:23<leocade>ohh
02:23<DjKazik>dragonfly, you mean, ii have a irc on my serve? no, I write from a computer at home
02:23<leocade>changed dir
02:23<DjKazik>dragonfly, sorry for my english :)
02:24<dragonfly>it's ok DjKazik, I just want to make sure that I don't lose you while giving you instructions...long as you are on irc from a different machine than you are trying to fix then we should be ok
02:24<leocade>is it necessary for the -o loop? or could i try mounting without it?
02:24<dragonfly>....so, log out of the GUI on the machine that is broken (you are using gnome on there right?)
02:24<leocade>other times i've mounted successfully without it but i havent tried for cdrom
02:24<dragonfly>leocade, i'm not sure...go ahead and try it
02:25<leocade>bah
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02:25<leocade>no dice
02:25<DjKazik>dragonfly, yes
02:25<dragonfly>DjKazik, ok so go to logout and let me know when you are back to the logon screen
02:25<DjKazik>at the moment I'm connected only by Putty
02:25<dragonfly>ok...even better :)
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02:26<dragonfly>so, what mattcen was trying to help you do before is get rid of the gnome configuration so that when you log in it forces it to regenerate
02:26<leocade>okay. what i'm trying is to move it to different directory thats not on the usb drive
02:26<leocade>and mount it from there
02:27<DjKazik>dragonfly, ok i'm listening
02:27<dragonfly>DjKazik, I'm going to hope that the user you were ahving trouble with is NOT root...right?
02:27<dragonfly>leocade, go for it...I'm really just stabbing in the dark at this point :S
02:28<DjKazik>dragonfly, right
02:28<dragonfly>ok...and are you logged in as root in putty?
02:28<DjKazik>yes
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02:28<DjKazik>its my server and only i using him
02:28<dragonfly>that explains why the commands that mattcen was giving were not working :)
02:28<DjKazik>;]
02:29<dragonfly>so, you are trying to log in to gnome (GUI) desktop on your server?
02:30<dragonfly>DjKazik?
02:31<DjKazik>w8
02:31<dragonfly>ok....
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02:31<DjKazik>i must using google translate sometimes ;]
02:31<leocade>dragonfly: same thing. im beginning to think its a problem with the .iso
02:32<dragonfly>leocade, it could be....if I may ask, what is your rationale for trying to do it this way rather than just burn the iso to a cd and boot from there?
02:32<DjKazik>I installed NX server and it works without a problem. The problem is with the upper bar is not working
02:32<leocade>i don't have cds xD
02:33<dragonfly>leocade, also...I tend to use the netinstall cds (smaller download) but I don't think there shoudl be any issues with that
02:33<DjKazik>dragonfly, like on this screen: http://firepic.org/images/12-2010/1n2s0x.jpg
02:33<leocade>i tried using netinstall and i believe that i couldnt get it to install properly, grub wouldnt come up
02:33<leocade>and i tried f3 to check OS and there was only windows
02:34<leocade>then i tried to boot from the HD with the install on it
02:34<leocade>and it said something like couldn't boot
02:34<dragonfly>DjKazik, I was just surprised by using the graphical interface on a server....all my servers run without it :) anyway...you're not logged into the graphical right now, just putty right?
02:35<DjKazik>dragonfly, yes
02:35<dragonfly>leocade, you wouldn't happen to have a spare U3 compatible flash drive laying aroudn would you?
02:35<dragonfly>ok...so try "cd /home/<username>"
02:35<leocade>yeah. i believe so
02:36<dragonfly>where <username> is the user that you have problems when logging it as
02:36<DjKazik>ok im in
02:36<dragonfly>leocade, and when I mean spare i mean it doesn't have anything on it that you don't mind losing?
02:36<dragonfly>DjKazik, ok, after you did that, try "ls -a" and see if there is a folder called .gconf or .gnome
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02:37<leocade>what would happen to it? xD
02:37<DjKazik>dragonfly, is gconf
02:38<dragonfly>leocade, and that you don't care about the U3 stuff that comes on the flashdrives? -- it's gonna go byebye :D
02:38<leocade>oh
02:38<leocade>yeah i removed it a while ago
02:38<leocade>it got annoying lol
02:38<dragonfly>DjKazik, ok -- well, what mattcen was trying to have you do is just move that somewhere else, but since this is a fresh install and all we'll take more drastic measures -- just "rm -r .gconf" that will remove that directory and all the gnome settings for that account
02:39<leocade>dragonfly: ill brb. i have to get all the stuff off of it first
02:39<dragonfly>ok, well, some time ago i found a way to use the U3 partion for better things (like say make a bootable debian installer)
02:39<cthuluh>dragonfly: as in dragonflybsd?
02:40<DjKazik>dragonfly, I still have the gnome folder. Its also removed?
02:41<dragonfly>DjKazik is it .gnome?
02:41<DjKazik>yes
02:41<dragonfly>cthuluh, no, haven't actually looked into that one
02:41<dragonfly>DjKazik, yeah, go ahead and rm -r that one as well
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02:43<DjKazik>dragonfly, i have also .gnome2 and .gnome_private
02:43<DjKazik>gnome deleted
02:43<dragonfly>DjKazik, might be going a bit overboard, but delete those other two gnome ones as well
02:43<DjKazik>ls -s
02:43<DjKazik>ok
02:44<dragonfly>ok, so DjKazik, you don't have any other .gnome folders in that user's home directory?
02:45<DjKazik>i dont see anything like gnome folder
02:45<DjKazik>its clear
02:45<DjKazik>whats now?
02:45<dragonfly>ok...then try to log back in as that user in the graphical way and see if the problem is fixed
02:45<DjKazik>ok
02:46<leocade>if i use netinstall version of debian. would i be able to use lynx to log into a website?
02:46<DjKazik>i try reboot system firts
02:46<leocade>the school im at requires linux users to log into a website before using the internet
02:47<cthuluh>what about other OSes users?
02:47<leocade>cisco clean access
02:47<dragonfly>leocade, I'm not sure, but I would think you coudl be able to
02:48<leocade>getting linux on my netbook was a pain in the ass with no cd drive and not using an iso
02:48<cthuluh>leocade: though there's a well explained method in the official documentation
02:48<DjKazik>dragonfly, unfortunately the problem still exists
02:48<leocade>i used netinstall version and then just loaded up every single package that i needed to log in with a graphical web browser
02:49<leocade>that took hours and over 500 clicks
02:49<leocade>and then finally i was able to use apt-get xD
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02:50<cthuluh>leocade: you can install from USB. with the CD1 (645 MB). without needing to mount manually anything
02:51<cthuluh>leocade: but to achieve this, you have some work to be done
02:51<DjKazik>it looks like I'll have to go back to ubuntu ... I do not like ubuntu:)
02:51<leocade>ok i got the u3 flash drive
02:51<leocade>empty
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02:51<cthuluh>leocade: did you keep the link I gave you?
02:51<leocade>yeah
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02:52<cthuluh>fine, read it and try to apply the 2nd method
02:52<dragonfly>otherwise, leocade, if you have a windows box to work from, you can use http://sourceforge.net/projects/u3-tool/ to load the debian iso into the fake cd part of the U3 flash drive and boot from that as though it were a cd
02:53<dragonfly>I used to have a linux version of the tool, but can't find a link to it at the moment
02:53<leocade>its okay. i seem to be having problems browsing me flash drive with dolphin
02:53<leocade>im not sure why
02:53<leocade>happened since i got this one running
02:54<leocade>so i have to do it from konsole :(
02:54<leocade>ah that didnt make much sense did it
02:54<DjKazik>dragonfly, It's probably too complicated for me.
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02:55<leocade>was wondering if the auto mounting program would interfere with using it
02:55<dragonfly>DjKazik, I'm not sure why that wouldn't be working -- never experienced that
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02:55<leocade>since it mounts to /media/cd
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02:56<dragonfly>leocade, that's the whole point -- since it automounts to cd (the computer detects it as a cdrom) you "burn" the iso to that portion of the drive and then with that flash drive plugged in your computer sees it as a cdrom with the debian installer in it
02:56<leocade>ah no it wasnt that. the u3 was removed a while ago
02:57<leocade>for some reason on my linux computer it automounts any usb drive to /media/cd
02:57<leocade>cdrom*
02:57<leocade>and i can never browse the contents visually but thats another problem
02:58<leocade>so i guess i have to install the u3 system again
02:58<dragonfly>leocade, no you shouldn't have to -- do you have a windows box to work from?
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02:58<leocade>yeah
02:58<leocade>but no internet
02:58<leocade>since im using it on here
03:00<dragonfly>ok, well, here is what you can do...download the u3tool http://sourceforge.net/projects/u3-tool/ on this machine, and then use a flash drive to put it and your debian iso on the windows box and then use it on there and you're ready to go :)
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03:02<dragonfly>...and I can walk you through using the u3 tool :)
03:02<leocade>dragonfly: sorry network restarted
03:02<dragonfly>ok, well, here is what you can do...download the u3tool http://sourceforge.net/projects/u3-tool/ on this machine, and then use a flash drive to put it and your debian iso on the windows box and then use it on there and you're ready to go :)
03:02<dragonfly>...and I can walk you through using the u3 tool :)
03:02*mattcen comes back with food
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03:03<dragonfly>mattcen, did you bring enough for everyone?
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03:03<mattcen>dragonfly: No, sorry :(
03:03<mattcen>DjKazik: Are you logging in on the server itself, or using FreeNX?
03:03<mattcen>sorry, NX server.
03:04<dragonfly>mattcen, what you eating :)
03:04<DjKazik>mattcen, i do reinstall wright now :)
03:04<mattcen>dragonfly: Oven fried fish and potatoes.
03:05<dragonfly>mmm yummy -- now you got me thinkin' about a late night snack and I should be sleeping :P
03:05<dragonfly>how are things going leocade
03:05<mattcen>DjKazik: I can only think of NX server getting in the way (if you're logging in through that), or it having an issue with your language settings. Perhaps (purely as a test) try switching the language to english?
03:05<leocade>trying to move u3 tools to my flashdrive through terminal
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03:06<leocade>damn
03:06<dragonfly>"mv u3-tools.exe /foo/u3-tools.exe"
03:06<leocade>was the linux version xD
03:06<leocade>i used your first link xD
03:07<DjKazik>mattcen, dragonfly Maybe I should use VNC, no NX...
03:07<dragonfly>lol, I can see if I have the linux version...I honestly don't remember where I found it
03:07<leocade>nope
03:07<leocade>its only linux
03:07<leocade>on there
03:07<mattcen>DjKazik: Does the server have a screen and keyboard attached? If so, try logging in to Gnome through that first.
03:07<leocade>i guess i could try it through this
03:07<leocade>now the link you gave me was for linux
03:07<leocade>came in tar
03:08<DjKazik>mattcen, no
03:08<dragonfly>http://downloads.sourceforge.net/project/u3-tool/u3-tool/0.3/u3-tool.exe?r=http%3A%2F%2Fsourceforge.net%2Fprojects%2Fu3-tool%2F&ts=1292141288&use_mirror=iweb
03:08<dragonfly>it should be u3-tool.exe
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03:08<mattcen>DjKazik: Then perhaps try VNC instead; I highly suspect NX is causing issues; trying VNC may help determine this.
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03:09<dragonfly>mattcen, good catch, I never used NX before so didn't even realize that is what he was trying
03:09<DjKazik>i must find some tutorial how install vnc server
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03:10<mattcen>I don't use NX either; I just picked up on the mention of it earlier. I've tried NX once, and seem to remember that it wasn't really complete.
03:10<dragonfly>hey, mattcen, does debian have an inbuild remote desktop server?
03:10<mattcen>I suspect Gnome installs Vino by default.
03:11<mattcen>I don't have a full desktop install handy, so can't confirm though. (I could have a look at dependencies in apt though... /me checks)
03:12*EmleyMoor is about to try rebuilding his samba setup from the ground up - but if anyone has any troubleshooting tips for accessing samba shares with Windows 7, that may be useful
03:12<EmleyMoor>mattcen: It does
03:12<dragonfly>EmleyMoor, I've just been messing with samba and win 7 for a few days...what is the issue you're having?
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03:13<dragonfly>so maybe DjKazik, should try using remote desktop first instead of NX or VNC??
03:13<EmleyMoor>dragonfly: No problem logged, but cannot access any share other than a "guests allowed" one
03:13<leocade>ok dragonfly
03:14<mattcen>dragonfly: Well ultimately, Vino is VNC anyway, and only works when you're logged in locally; which can't be done easily without a keyboard or screen attached to the server.
03:14<leocade>dragonfly: i got u3-tool to my windows computer
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03:14<dragonfly>leocade, excellent -- open a command prompt and navigate to the directory where u3-tool is at
03:14<dragonfly>...also, get your u3 flash drive plugged in
03:15<leocade>yessir
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03:15<dragonfly>mattcen, so there isn't a "true" remote desktop server (like I've used to administer windows boxes)?
03:16<mattcen>To a point, but not easily configured; you could build something like that, but there isn't one by default
03:16<leocade>dragonfly: what next? repartition device?
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03:16<mattcen>VNC is the closest thing there is.
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03:17<dragonfly>leocade, how large is that iso?
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03:18<leocade>dragonfly: i have 2 1 dvd which is almost 5gigs and a cd which is around 700mb
03:18<dragonfly>we'll try just the cd first
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03:18<dragonfly>..unless ur U3 drive is 8 gig and you want to do the dvd
03:19<leocade>it is but i think the dvd has a bunch of crap i won't need
03:19<dragonfly>ok leocade, first, we need to resize the u3 partition "u3-tool.exe -p 725000000" should give us a 725MB partition
03:19<leocade>i just downloaded it to try and get the installer working
03:19<leocade>should i specify the device name after -p?
03:19<dragonfly>oops...let me restate taht command "u3-tool.exe -p 725000000 <Drive Letter>:"
03:20<leocade>ok
03:20<dragonfly>when that is done, "u3-tool.exe -l debian.iso <Drive Letter>:"
03:20<dragonfly>(assuming the debian iso is in the same directory as teh u3 tool)
03:20<leocade>is that 6 zeros?
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03:21<dragonfly>yes it is :) It's in bytes
03:21<dragonfly>you may be able to just put 725MB but I've never tried it that way
03:21<leocade>just makin sure my eyes are foolin me
03:21<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... Windows box not backing up either
03:21<leocade>arent*
03:22<leocade>dragonfly: was the drive size supposed to change?
03:23<dragonfly>oh, sorry EmleyMoor -- missed what you had said....from the windows box, in "computer" when you type \\<ServerName> do the shares show up?
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03:23<dragonfly>leocade, it's been a lil while since I've used the tool and i don't remember offhand
03:23<dragonfly>did you get any errors?
03:24<dragonfly>leocade, if you didn't get any error messages with the resize, I would go ahead and try to load the iso
03:24<leocade>not yet
03:25<dragonfly>...once it's done resizing of course :P
03:25<leocade>okay will take a bit.
03:25<dragonfly>i'll wait :)
03:25<leocade>in the mean time, is there a way to have terminal tell you the progress of a task such as mv?
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03:26<dragonfly>i'm not sure on that one leocade...anyone else know?
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03:27<mattcen>You can use 'mv -v'
03:27<leocade>ok. it was at 3% and stopped with the line "u3_cd_write failed: failed executing scsi command error 121
03:27<leocade>v for verbose?
03:27<mattcen>Yes
03:27<leocade>ok ty
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03:27<mattcen>It prints out each filename as it's moving it
03:27<dragonfly>mattcen, I just found in the repos xrdp -- that would be what I was just thinking of for DjKazik right?
03:28*mattcen looks it up
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03:28<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... according to Win7 troubleshooting, "The remote device won't accept the connection."
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03:28<leocade>dragonfly: it was at 3% and stopped with the line "u3_cd_write failed: failed executing scsi command error 121
03:29<mattcen>dragonfly: That looks like a VNC to RDP gateway; I'm not sure how it works with regard to creating a new session for a user etc.
03:29<dragonfly>leocade, hmmm I've never had it error before :( -- try doing it again with a smaller size -- maybe like 10 million (seven zeros total) just to see what happens
03:29<leocade>but autorun popped up with debian amd64
03:29<leocade>and i checked the "cd" and it has what looks like all the files
03:29<dragonfly>oh...so it looks like it wrote it all?
03:29<dragonfly>if so
03:30<dragonfly>then just plug that flash drive in and boot the computer (you may need to check that the bios boots from that "cd" drive)
03:30<dragonfly>ok EmleyMoor, looks like we have some troubleshooting to do...one sec while I find a link for you
03:30<leocade>7 zeros was larger than 6 yes?
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03:31<dragonfly>lol, leocade, if it's all on there it won't matter -- but yes that's more zeros but it only had a 1 in front of it instead of 725 :P
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03:31*EmleyMoor has rolled back to an old config
03:31<dragonfly>mattcen, so that probably still wouldn't be the same as the remote desktop I use to administer windows boxes?
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03:31<mattcen>I doubt it; but I could be wrong
03:32<EmleyMoor>Progress!
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03:32<leocade>dragonfly: loading /install/amd/vmlinuz invalid or corrupt kernel image
03:32<leocade>should i have put the kernel in there? xD
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03:32<mattcen>dragonfly: In the past I've configured xinetd to start up a VNC server that connects to a GDM window, giving a login prompt, but I don't remember how hard it was to configure.
03:33<dragonfly>darn mattcen, I was hoping there was something like that, just haven't had reason to need it yet
03:33<dragonfly>leocade, you shouldn't have had to do anything special...the u3-tool should have treated that drive as though it was a blank cd and extracted the iso into it with no special intervention on your part
03:33<dragonfly>...i bet it was because of that error message
03:34<dragonfly>plug that flash drive back into the windows box
03:34<leocade>there was 2 ub drives
03:34<leocade>usb*
03:34<EmleyMoor>Looks like that will do for this box
03:34<leocade>named the same thing
03:34<leocade>so i figured that 1 was the "cd"
03:34<dragonfly>lol EmleyMoor, just revert to an older config and call it good?
03:34<leocade>i had to try them both to see which was the cd 1 reported no operating system and the second loaded debian but then said this error when i went to install
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03:35<dragonfly>leocade, the U3 flash drive should have been assigned 2 drive letters
03:35<EmleyMoor>dragonfly: Needs a little updating - it's ancient rather than old
03:35<leocade>yeah. i think it did from menu to select boot device
03:35<dragonfly>well EmleyMoor, just add 1 thing back at a time and see where it breaks
03:36<dragonfly>ok, i'm starting to confuse myself leocade --- let's step back a min
03:36<dragonfly>your getting errors so we'll stop and try again
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03:36<dragonfly>...when you plug the drive into the windows box you get 2 drive letters (one cd and one removable storage)...correct?
03:37<leocade>i used f8 to get a boot menu to select boot device
03:37<leocade>also. when i booted up again. unetbootin was still there
03:37<leocade>when it asked me what OS to boot
03:37<leocade>i dunno if that is interfering
03:38<EmleyMoor>Acceptable config reached and still working
03:38<EmleyMoor>Will modify it for the other server
03:40<dragonfly>shouldn't be, when you select a boot device, it bypasses whatever is on any other device (unetbootin on your HD)
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03:41<leocade>how do i get rid of unetbootin?
03:42<leocade>dragonfly: ok i changed to 10 mil bytes and tried -l with the cd and its too small for the cd
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03:42<dragonfly>yeah, i figured it would be
03:42<leocade>so ill try 7 with 0 zerols
03:42<leocade>zeros
03:43<dragonfly>think of 1million as 1 mb and make it a little bit bigger than the iso file
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03:43<leocade>75*
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03:45<leocade>dragonfly: okay loading the image onto the cd
03:45*dragonfly crosses fingers, hoping leocade doesn't get any error messages this time
03:45<leocade>made it past 3% this time lol
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03:48<solar_sea>Hi. Which package should I install in order to use a wacom tablet ? the wacom tools conflicts with the xorg driver for it ..
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03:50<DjKazik>someone know how start vnc on gentoo?
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03:52<dragonfly>DjKazik, try #gentoo for that
03:53<leocade>im not sure solar_sea but looking at this website its saying to edit xorg.conf to say tablet pc only
03:53<leocade>i dunno if that helps
03:54<leocade>http://www.shallowsky.com/linux/wacom.html
03:54<DjKazik>dragonfly, I already have VNC installed, but the author did not write tutorial how to start the server.
03:54<DjKazik>o i try ask on gentoo chanell
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03:56<dragonfly>leocade, what % we at now?
03:57<leocade>43
03:57<dragonfly>yippee, progress
03:57<leocade>yep
03:58<dragonfly>so where u from leocade
03:58<leocade>PA
03:58<leocade>in U.S.
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03:58<dragonfly>damn...ur really up late, goin on 4 am there :P
03:58<dragonfly>it's almost 3AM here
03:59<dragonfly>i'm in SD USA
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03:59<leocade>yeah. i slept like 16 hours yesterday
03:59<ompaul>!ot
03:59<dpkg>#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
03:59<leocade>its just a nice break from hectic school work
03:59<leocade>except that finals are this week
04:00<dragonfly>ompaul, sorry -- just passing the time while we wait for the iso to finish loading
04:00<@Ganneff>leocade, dragonfly: take it elsewhere please, not in this channel
04:00<leocade>ah sorry xD
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04:01<leocade>well i guess we could talk about compiling? xD i tried installing a control tool for my netbook but it wasnt for debian specifically
04:01<leocade>is there an "easy" way to compile?
04:01<ompaul>leocade: you could try #debian-offtopic more so
04:01<dragonfly>hey, brb and then when that finishes we can see if we can't get you rockin' through the installer
04:01<leocade>k
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04:07<dragonfly>ok, i'm back....to compile, the basic rule is "./configure" "make" "make install" that is assuming you don't get any error messages along the way...the most common errors are for dependancies
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04:07<leocade>the file i had didnt have ./configure
04:07<leocade>it just had the make file
04:07<dragonfly>leocade, then you should find the source for that tool and do it from source :)
04:08<leocade>i see
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04:08<leocade>also i'm having a problem with a program that wont completely remove
04:09<dragonfly>aptitude purge <package>
04:09<leocade>i did and it doesnt remove it. do i have to end the program first?
04:09<leocade>its a background application
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04:11<leocade>purged and i can still find it with search (from kde)
04:12<ompaul>leocade: how did you install that program
04:12<leocade>i believe i found the package from a website and installed it with apt-get and aptitude
04:12<leocade>it never fully installed
04:12<leocade>and had some error while running
04:12<leocade>dragonfly: 92%
04:13<dragonfly>sweet!
04:13<dragonfly>you should make sure it's not running before trying to remove it
04:13<leocade>i killed it
04:13<leocade>and tried it again
04:13<dragonfly>there is a command to find the PID of programs running matching a specific name but i can't remember it offhand
04:14<ompaul>killall programname
04:14<cahoot>dragonfly: pgrep
04:14<ompaul>ps auwx | grep program
04:14<leocade>i killed it using system monitor for kde
04:14<dragonfly>oh found it -- pidof <program>
04:15<leocade>dragonfly: ok its done
04:16<dragonfly>leocade, ok so now try booting from that flash drive
04:18<dragonfly>ompaul, i guess there are 3 ways to do the same thing :)
04:18<dragonfly>oh 4, cahoot had a way too :)
04:19<leocade>killing it didnt help remove it
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04:19<leocade>it still says unable to locate package
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04:19<leocade> (not related to installind ebian)
04:19<leocade>installing*
04:19<iKit>Pardon, if anyone's not to busy.. May I ask a few questions in regards to debian? Fresh user here.
04:20<ompaul>leocade: you are going to have to read intructions /var/lib/dpkg/info/package name to work how what you broke by using a non debian package, what was the program
04:20<ompaul>!ask
04:20<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
04:20<leocade>eee-control
04:20<iKit>Oh, I see.
04:21<iKit>Well, then~!
04:21<iKit>Gonna sound stupid, but.. How do install make without having a direct internet connection on debian?
04:21<ompaul>leocade: then you should have a look at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/HowTo/Configure
04:22<leocade>i think it was a debian package but it installed wrong maybe. also wicd installed incorrectly also
04:23<ompaul>leocade: the native wicd has never let me down installing it on debian for years :-/ I suggest you lean on debian not the web to install stuff :)
04:24<leocade>i used apt-get and wicd had said something about d-bus
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04:24<leocade>and an error
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04:24<iKit>Hmm. It seems being tired has rendered me incapable. [/ just noticed where to download debian packages. Yay. ]
04:24<leocade>so i installed a different version manually using dpkg and aptitude recommended that i remove it (which it worked)
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04:25<leocade>and then aptitude removed it and the first wicd started working
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04:26<ompaul>iKit: you need to connect to the net for a short while and install build-essential or carry the package from another box or on a stick to the box you refer to
04:26<ompaul>s/or/maybe/
04:27<leocade>but i still get errors some wicd error when i use apt-get to install a program
04:27<leocade>it lists something about a wicd package when i install any package
04:27<iKit>I see.
04:27<ompaul>leocade: so it is not "fixed", how since you started to install on that box?
04:27<iKit>Does linux automatically connect if it's connected via ethernet?
04:28<leocade>dragonfly:partitioning
04:28<leocade>ompaul: im sorry im not understanding what you mean
04:28<ompaul>iKit: most of the time it will if not su - and dhclient may help if that fails it is because your network card is requiring non-free software
04:29<iKit>Mkay.
04:29*iKit was trying to get her WLAN on to go ahead and get everything ready.
04:29<ompaul>iKit: wired is always better for setup
04:29<dragonfly>ompaul, does leocade maybe need to aptitude -fix or -force or whatever one of those commands for wicd?
04:29<ompaul>leocade: when did you start working on that computer and how much stuff have you put on it
04:30<iKit>Well it's quite a hassle to carry an entire 10-year-old desktop next-door in the middle of the AM. lol
04:30<ompaul>dragonfly: well it would be nice to see the actual error
04:30<leocade>probably about a week ago
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04:30<leocade>and aptitude tells me i have 958 installed packages
04:32<iKit>Hmm.. Would grabbing the package onto a stick and installing locally work? If so, how would I go about it?
04:32<leocade>ompaul: ill install something now and tell you the error
04:32<ompaul>leocade: debian looks after its own dependencies well, you have now got something broken, who knows what broke what where when and why given that you used random packages on the web, I'd nearly suggest reinstalling and coming here the second you have a problem now you know what you are trying to achieve
04:33<leocade>the packages were from one of debian's mirrors
04:33<dragonfly>leocade, it's not a matter of where the packages are from so much as how they are installed -- using aptitude install is ALWAYS the best way
04:33<ompaul>leocade: for the right version, the one you are using - these things (wicd) don't just break for one person
04:34<ompaul>leocade: there are so many debian installs planet wide it is not funny, and for yours to think it is special ... well I don't buy that :)
04:35<dragonfly>lol
04:35<leocade>want to know what the error says? lol
04:35<dragonfly>sure, why don't ya tell us :)
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04:36<leocade>wicd-cli missing assuming it has no files currently installed
04:36<leocade>wicd daemon missing assuming it has no files currently installed
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04:36<leocade>wicd gtk missing, etc etc.
04:36<leocade>wicd-curses missing etc. etc.
04:36<Arrowmaster>sounds like its not even properly installed
04:37<leocade>it works fine though
04:37<dragonfly>leocade, try aptitude purge wicd and then aptitude install wicd
04:37<leocade>so im thinking it might have been the other version i installed with dpkg
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04:37<dragonfly>or maybe even just aptitude remove wicd and then aptitude install wicd
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04:38<dragonfly>leocade, how is that other install progressing?
04:38<Arrowmaster>i agree with them on the start fresh and stop trying to install stuff manually
04:38<ompaul>leocade: no, you have a broken machine with bits of cruft lying around
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04:38<leocade>installing softwate
04:38<leocade>ware
04:38<leocade>had no problems with the cd this time
04:38<leocade>thanks
04:38<leocade>does this tool work with non u3 devices also?
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04:39<ompaul>leocade: I don't know which tool you are talking about
04:39<dragonfly>I haven't tried it, but considering it's u3-tool i would say probably not
04:40<leocade>yeah purge and install didnt do anything for the errors
04:40<dragonfly>ompaul, he's referring to u3-tool which I just walked him through using :)
04:40<ompaul>ack
04:41<dragonfly>?
04:41<leocade>is there a file list that i could remove entries that dpkg reads from?
04:41<leocade>or would that make things worse
04:41<ompaul>acknowledge as in syn ack or nack
04:42<Arrowmaster>worse
04:42<Arrowmaster>although im not sure if your situation could get any worse
04:42<ompaul>leocade: given your luck so far you might find yourself worse off, as they are basically scripts for a working environment (/var/log/dpkg/info/package-name/
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04:42<leocade>ok. it doesnt seem to be causing any problems. so ill leave it
04:42<kamil_>hi all
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04:43<dragonfly>I'm with Arrowmaster and ompaul on this one leocade, reinstall might be the way to go :P
04:43<dragonfly>hi kamil_
04:43<ompaul>leocade: until it clashes with something else, I am going to strongly suggest to you to start again
04:43<leocade>ok
04:43<ompaul>leocade: I can't make you, but if you were a pal of mine I would berate you until you did
04:44<ompaul>leocade: see how passionate I am about this one hu? ;-)
04:44<dragonfly>besides leocade, should be easy this time around...you even got your bootable flash drive to use for the install :P
04:45<dragonfly>ompaul, I just hate seeing a list of errors anytime I try to install something or run an update -- that would be enough for me to delve into fixing it :) -- after doing a good backup of course
04:45<ompaul>dragonfly: best back up is fresh media and your data :)
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04:46<leocade>its no problem
04:47<leocade>i probably made more errors due to not using aptitude before when i originally installed things on it
04:47<dragonfly>ompaul, by backup i meant: customized configs, data, and perhaps dpkg --get-selections
04:47<leocade>i was stuck on terminal and i was trying to figure out how to add local directories to sources.list and since i coulkdnt figure it out then i had to install everything from dpkg and look up the dependencies on my windows box, put it on the usb drive and rinse and repeate
04:47<ompaul>dragonfly: ahh :) that is a better backup :)
04:48<leocade>going on to the next problem:
04:48<leocade>i cant get my monitors working for the install i just did on my desktop
04:48<leocade>both were working fine for the install gui
04:48<leocade>but now one said unsupported and the other said no signal
04:49<ompaul>leocade: how many boxes are involved here?
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04:49<dragonfly>ompaul, he has 2 boxes -- 1 is the Eee we were just talking about and the other is a desktop he has been doing a fresh install on while we talked
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04:49<leocade>sorry. i was talking about my laptop when i was talking about wicd because the main problem i had when i came on here was trying to install linux with a usb drive
04:50<leocade>yeah on my desktop
04:50<ompaul>a monitor for each?
04:51<dragonfly>i'm going to guess that the desktop is dual screen
04:51<ompaul>dragonfly: the way the information is arriving I could not accept a guess ;-)
04:52<dragonfly>lol, agreed
04:52<ompaul>assumption is the mother of all discord
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04:52<dragonfly>ass-u-me
04:52<ompaul>that was the thinking but I would have been a lot crasser if it was not for the fact this is the internet
04:53<leocade>okay: i swapped both monitors around 1 has HD and VGA outputs
04:53<leocade>and i tried them both
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04:53<leocade>and i have two inputs in my card and the second monitor whci his vga only is the only thing that responded
04:53<leocade>by saying it wasnt supported
04:53<dragonfly>leocade, monitors generally don't have HD or VGA outputs - the screen is the output :)
04:53<leocade>the other one remained sleep
04:54<leocade>my bad other way around then
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04:54<dragonfly>anyway -- i find it strange that they would work fine with the GUI install but not when you reboot after -- hmmmm
04:55<leocade>vga and hd input for 1 and vga input for the other and the card has two dvi outputs
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04:55<dragonfly>...oh, and in the future, maybe try to make a clearer distinction when you switch between problems on different machines (if you read above it was perhaps difficult for some to follow what was going on especially if they jumped in during the middle of this whole ordeal)
04:56<leocade>sorry
04:56<dragonfly>no worries, just a future reference thing
04:56<dragonfly>leocade, do you have an onboard video card or just a pci one with the dual outputs?
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04:58<leocade>i have an onboard. i was thinking about that too
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04:59<dragonfly>just for kicks, plug one in to there and see if you get anything -- perhaps the pci one needs to be configured yet (i would think it would have been automatically but ya never know)
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05:04<leocade>hah. it just didnt like the dual monitor
05:04<leocade>i lied
05:04<dragonfly>huh?
05:04<leocade>it loads up and then beeps
05:05<leocade>sorry i just meant scratch that statement
05:05<leocade>it loads into terminal
05:05<leocade>then scrolls
05:05<dragonfly>with the onboard?
05:05<leocade>then the screen flickers and it goes black
05:05<leocade>nope from pci
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05:05<leocade>onboard it doesnt work at all
05:06<leocade>so im guessing id have to remove the video card to get anything out of the onboard
05:06<dragonfly>ok...but you at least see something with the pci card now? on just 1 monitor?
05:06<leocade>yeah but after it scrolls through terminal i dont see anything
05:06<leocade>and get input not supported
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05:06<leocade>my guess is that its a problem with the gui?
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05:07<dragonfly>try ALT+F1
05:07<dragonfly>does that take you back to a terminal?
05:07<leocade>nothing
05:07<leocade>but i did alt ctrl f4
05:07<leocade>and it got me to terminal
05:07<leocade>and i can see it again
05:07<dragonfly>ok, that's what it is...sorry, i'm quite tired nwo
05:07<leocade>no problem. thanks for helping me out
05:08<dragonfly>so it's sounding like your gui needs to be reconfigured -- maybe ompaul can help us out here, but I think it would be something like dpkg-reconfigure xorg
05:08<leocade>i dont think both buttons were necessary but they were taking a bit so i thought it might have changed so i was mashing buttons
05:09<dragonfly>i think it is supposed to be ctrl+alt+F<1-6>
05:09<ompaul>leocade: had you got a gui previously
05:09<leocade>no
05:09<leocade>well
05:09<leocade>during install
05:09<leocade>both monitors worked
05:09<ompaul>leocade: install does not count :)
05:09<dragonfly>but u did have gui during the install or was it the text "pseudo-gui"
05:09<leocade>okay
05:09<leocade>then no
05:09<leocade>this is the first time im booting it up
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05:10<Sydney>hello, everyone...
05:10<dragonfly>hi Sydney
05:10<leocade>hi
05:11<ompaul>leocade: so you installed and you have no gui at all
05:11<Sydney>I'm trying to install a broadcom driver, but experiencing some problems...
05:11<leocade>no just terminal. when it goes to gui the monitor says input not supported
05:11<Sydney>the laptop has a BCM4313 wireless + bluetooth device
05:11<ompaul>leocade: at a guess we might start with a display manager try apt-get update && apt-get install kdm (or gdm if you want gnome)
05:12*dragonfly prefers gnome
05:12<qq->!BCM4313
05:12<dpkg>The Broadcom BCM4313 (PCI-ID 14e4:4727, incorrectly reported as BCM4727 by wlc_hybrid) is an 802.11n PCIe wireless LAN chipset, not supported by the <b43> driver. For support on Debian systems, ask me <brcm80211>, <wl>.
05:12<ompaul>dragonfly: you don't know what you're missing :)
05:12<Sydney>the wireless part function greatly with the open bcm80211 drivers, but I was not able to abilitate the bluetooth stack
05:12<leocade>i would need to install some type of browser to log into my schools internet
05:12<dragonfly>leocade, is lynx available?
05:13<dragonfly>i think it might be
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05:13<leocade>nope
05:13<ompaul>dragonfly: it needs to be installed
05:13<leocade>i have the package downloaded though on the windows os
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05:13<ompaul>leocade: please don't divert from the task in hand have you installed kdm / gdm or some such?
05:13<dragonfly>leocade, we don't want to go down that path unless we absolutely have to -- remember your Eee
05:14<leocade>nope i havent
05:14<Sydney>thanks for the links, qq- but the problem isn't the wireless itself, but the bluetooth part, which is integrated in the same device...
05:14<ompaul>leocade: is this machine connected by wire to the internet?
05:14<dragonfly>leocade, like ompaul suggests -- do u already have it (apt-cache policy gdm / apt-cache policy kdm)
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05:14<leocade>one second but i can get it
05:15<qq->Sydney, i see
05:15<dragonfly>ompaul, connected by wire to a network, but not able to access the internet without entering credentials into a webpage (captive portal)
05:15<ompaul>dragonfly: ohh dear
05:15<ompaul>hardly optimal
05:15<Sydney>the wireless goes flawless with the open drivers, while it's a bit harder to configure with the wl ones...
05:16<Sydney>but none of them seems to enable the bluetooth...
05:16<leocade>ompaul: ok now it is. i didnt configure anything during install for the network
05:17<dragonfly>leocade, you have internet access (aptitude works) or just access to the schools network so you could log in to the captive portal?
05:17<ompaul>leocade: let me understand what you did here, you installed the network install CD while not connected to the internet?
05:17<leocade>no
05:17<leocade>i installed a distribution cd from debians website
05:17<dragonfly>ompaul, he used debian-507-amd64-CD-1.iso
05:17<leocade>yeah
05:18<leocade>surprised you remembered that xD
05:18<dragonfly>...i scrolled up :P
05:18<ompaul>leocade: ok, do this as root: dhclient : and tell me the very last line before the prompt
05:18<dragonfly>...is there a list of what packages are on that cd? maybe we can install lynx from the cd repository
05:19<qq->!cd contents
05:19<dpkg>To find out what is on what disk, examine the package lists within the list-{cd,dvd} subdirectories for the relevant architecture at http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/ (e.g. http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/i386/list-cd/).
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05:20<leocade>chmod failed to get the attributes of /etc/resolve.conf : no such file or directory bound to 10.19.135.206 -- renewal in 3360 seconds
05:21<ompaul>leocade: do you know the proxy server for your network?
05:21<leocade>im not sure if it is a proxy server
05:21<leocade>i called their IT about this while trying to do netinstall on my eee but they're no help
05:22<leocade>is there a way to check on this box?
05:22<ompaul>try apt-get update on the command line just for kicks and lets see what it throws up
05:22<leocade>comes up with cdrom
05:22<ompaul>ahh
05:23<dragonfly>gdm is on the cd
05:23<dragonfly>doesn't look like lynx is though :(
05:23<qq->!sources
05:23<dpkg>The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.CC.debian.org/debian lenny main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main" where CC is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <lenny security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
05:23<ompaul>apt-get install gdm
05:24<leocade>ok
05:24<dragonfly>iceweasel is on there too
05:24<dragonfly>aptitude install not apt-get :D
05:24<leocade>doesnt help if i dont have gui? lol
05:24<ompaul>no
05:24<ompaul>it helps no matter wjhat
05:24<dragonfly>yeah, but if you install gdm you *should* have gui :)
05:24<leocade>ok gdm is installed
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05:25<dragonfly>ompaul, what is the current ruling/view on apt-get versus aptitude -- i know a while back there was a huge push for everyone to use aptitude instead of apt-get so i switched
05:25<leocade>but the gui doesnt like my monitor
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05:25<ompaul>dragonfly: they'll never take me alive :)
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05:26<ompaul>leocade: ok that is not a problem switch to a terminal
05:26<dragonfly>lol, ok -- so aptitude is still recommended you just refuse to switch :) understood
05:26<ompaul>leocade: what kind of a monitor have you got?
05:26<leocade>it is on terminal atm thats what i've been using
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05:27<leocade>1 is asus and the other is an acer. right now i have the acer plugged in
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05:27<ompaul>dragonfly: apt-get is closer to dpkg which is the demented in itself but is good :)
05:27<leocade>and i found when i plugged the asus in it says out of range
05:27<dragonfly>leocade, but you haven't tried a gui since getting gdm installed :)
05:27<leocade>ok ill try restarting
05:28<ompaul>dragonfly: lynx and lynx2 are not on the first CD :-(
05:28<dragonfly>ompaul, it probably doesn't really make much difference using aptitude vs apt-get
05:28<leocade>ok it loaded the gui again
05:28<leocade>and im getting input not supported
05:29<ompaul>leocade: right will you go control alt F2 please
05:29<dragonfly>ompaul, yeah, i noticed that, those were the first i looked for, but i found that gdm was kdm was not and iceweasel was
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05:29<leocade>done
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05:30<ompaul>leocade: try this command -> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg <- it with either pass or fail
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05:30<dragonfly>there's the reconfigure command i was thinking of earlier!
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05:30<dragonfly>I just didn't know the exact package name offhand
05:31<leocade>use kernel framebuffer device interface?
05:31<ompaul>n
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05:31<leocade>autodetect keyboard layout
05:31<ompaul>y
05:32<leocade>xkb rule set to use:
05:32<leocade>filled in with xorg atm
05:32<ompaul>just enter
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05:32<ompaul>as in the return key
05:32<hagenZ>is there any text processor for *.docx except openoffice and abiword?
05:33<leocade>ok after asking abotu my keyboard
05:33<dragonfly>hagenZ, I'm not sure, I always just use OpenOffice
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05:33<ompaul>hagenZ: http://sourceforge.net/blog/this-command-line-utility-converts-docx-files-to-text/
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05:33<leocade>it returned
05:34<ompaul>leocade: check your ctrl alt f7 if it looks ok log in if it does not ctrl alt f2 and say which you have
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05:34<leocade>ompaul. doesnt look good
05:34<ompaul>leocade: sorry let me rephrase that I left out a bit
05:34<leocade>ompaul same thing
05:35<ompaul>leocade: check your ctrl alt f7 and then do CTRL ALT BACKSPACE to restart X
05:35<ompaul>leocade: then go back to F2 if it is still not working
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05:36<leocade>ompaul: if i may further describe what its doing, it flashes vertical red blotches and then the input not supported box floats around
05:36<leocade>and still no diece
05:36<leocade>dice
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05:37<hagenZ>ompaul, i need to write some papers in *doc
05:37<leocade>thanks for the help dragonfly
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05:37<ompaul>leocade: that is different from your last request, you could write them in text and apply some crazy lib to them but OOo and Abiword are good for that
05:37<dragonfly>hagenZ, you could always write them in another format and then convert them before submitting
05:38<leocade>wrong person ompaul lol
05:38<ompaul>woops :)
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05:38<ompaul>hagenZ: that is different from your last request, you could write them in text and apply some crazy lib to them but OOo and Abiword are good for that
05:38<dragonfly>leocade, no problem -- I'm not sure how much help I can be going forward with this part though
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05:38<ompaul>leocade: so next cd /etc/X11
05:38<leocade>is there much difference between lenny and squeeze?
05:39<leocade>no such file or directory
05:39<ompaul>leocade: a couple of years of development (I am running sid which is currently squeeze)
05:39<ompaul>leocade: oh, ok, apt-get install xserver-xorg
05:40<leocade>says its already installed
05:40<leocade>oh wait
05:40<leocade>sorry
05:40<hagenZ>ompaul dragonfly i'm not so geek :)
05:40<leocade>the cd didnt work because of caps xD
05:40<leocade>ok im in x11
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05:40<hagenZ>will try ted & lyx
05:41<leocade>ompaul i got into X11
05:42<ompaul>leocade: so was that after the apt-get install instruction
05:42<leocade>no that was before. i didnt use cap X
05:42<ompaul>ah
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05:43<hagenZ>is there any 3d action game for my 16 mb video card? :)
05:43<leocade>xD
05:44<dragonfly>hagenZ, try assaultcube
05:44<ompaul>leocade: is there a "xorg.conf" file there
05:44<leocade>yes
05:44<ompaul>mv xorg.conf original.xorg.conf
05:45<ompaul>ctrl alt f7 and ctrl alt backspace in that order
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05:46<leocade>ompaul same thing.
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05:47<dragonfly>well, i need to get some sleep so I'm out -- good luck leocade and ompaul hope you get that workin :)
05:47<leocade>thanks
05:47<ompaul>leocade: and you don't have access to a direct connection that is frustrating you really need to be able to go and get packages as you want them
05:47<leocade>have a good night
05:47<leocade>i know. now you know why i did what i did for my eee
05:47<leocade>lol
05:47<leocade>should i try to install a different cd with a different gui?
05:48<leocade>and lynx
05:48<dragonfly>leocade, you did mention that you had that DVD image downloaded and that your flash drive is big enough -- perhaps you should try that
05:48<ompaul>leocade: I have only one suggestion left get the package for lynx
05:48<dragonfly>it has lynx in it, i checked
05:48<leocade>ok
05:48<ompaul>and see if you can hijack lynx from there
05:49<ompaul>see if that can give you a link to the internet
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05:49<leocade>well if i didnt learn anything today its that i shouldnt use dpkg to install packages
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05:50<leocade>well if i learned anythign today*
05:50<ompaul>leocade: you can, but only directly from repos
05:51<leocade>while this is rebooting and such. how do i remove unetbootin from my boot menu
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05:52<ompaul>leocade: it is there because of the usb disk
05:52<ompaul>or flash
05:53<leocade>even if i didnt use it to install debian? i tried to use it but it was unsuccessful
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05:53<ompaul>leocade: the disk still has the boot sector with that info on it
05:53<leocade>will it remove itself?
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05:54<ompaul>when you remove the bootable media
05:54<leocade>ok
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05:56<leocade>okay ompaul. im going to try this tomorrow. if anything ill reinstall a build with lynx and a different gui
05:56<leocade>thanks for all the help
05:57<ompaul>leocade: may I pm you for about 1 min
05:57<leocade>yeah
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06:09<Sydney>hello, again...
06:10<Sydney>don't shoot at me, but I'd be looking for some other help with compiz, this time...:P
06:11<Sydney>it is driving me mad, as the previous install, it worked without any major problem...while, this time, it always gives me this error "Application calling GLX 1.3 function "glXCreatePixmap" when GLX 1.3 is not supported! This is an application bug!" when trying to run compiz --replace...
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06:11<Sydney>I have an Intel HD video device, squeeze installed
06:12<Sydney>and despite having seen around the net many reporting this same error message, I still haven't understood its origin and the possible solution...
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06:14<user01>hi, my iceweasel crashed, now it isnt loading pages
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06:15<user01>google chrome seems to work fine
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06:35<sock>gia
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06:36<hagenZ>chromium eats to many resources in my system
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06:38<hagenZ>why does openoffice require to uninstall some packages?
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06:59<LinuxAdmin>hi guys, I'm getting trouble with vsftpd
06:59<LinuxAdmin>I can start vsftpd without ssl, but when I enable ssl the server don't start
07:00<LinuxAdmin>I already created a new certificate but the problem remains
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07:02<LinuxAdmin>I get this error: 500 OOPS: SSL: cannot load RSA certificate
07:02<LinuxAdmin>can someone help?
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07:02<LinuxAdmin>I already checked certificate path on /etc/vsftpd.conf, everything is ok
07:04<LinuxAdmin>is anybody home?
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07:06<slush>LinuxAdmin: are the permissions correct?
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07:08<LinuxAdmin>what permissions slush?
07:08<maniac>anybody worked with paparazzi autopilot?
07:08<LinuxAdmin>I already chown /etc/vsftpd/vsftpd.pem to ftp user
07:09<LinuxAdmin>it doesn't work
07:09<maniac>papz anyone?
07:09<LinuxAdmin>any suggestions?
07:11<LinuxAdmin>I'm trying to solve this problem for a few days in ubuntu channels, without success, it seems nobody has got vsftpd knowledge
07:11<LinuxAdmin>is this the right channel to ask?
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07:11<LinuxAdmin>ubuntu has #ubuntu-server channel, I cannot find the same on debian
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07:12<slush>LinuxAdmin: well, you probably best of asking the vsftpd support
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07:13<LinuxAdmin>I already did that, no one can help me
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07:17<negr0>morning
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07:44<ceipha>Hi! I keep getting the notification that I am short of disk space, although I've just installed another 1TB drive and moved the home partition to it. I notice that it more probably happens when the Iceweasel is running for some long time, but there may be no correlation. Any ideas what it can be? I have this problem both home and at work.
07:45<nevyn>how big is your /tmp
07:45<nevyn>which filesystem do you get the notificiation on?
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07:46<ceipha>nevyn: the filesystem is ext4 on both disks, /tmp is 5.1 MB
07:47<nevyn>that's kinda teensy.
07:47<nevyn>like that's just gonna mess up your day teensy.
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07:51<ceipha>du says that /dev/sdb1 (where the /home is located) is 100% used; programs can not save logs; still, Baobab says everything is fine, you have enough disk space, relax.
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07:51<ceipha>The problem is not with /tmp, for sure, because /tmp is located on /dev/sda1, and it is only 8% used.
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07:52<chica-morenita>OLa!
07:52<chica-morenita>Ola¿?
07:53<cahoot>ceipha: not a matter of too few inodes?
07:53<chica-morenita>in spanish?
07:53<cahoot>!es
07:53<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
07:53<ceipha>cahoot: don't know what you are talking about, can you enlighten me?
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07:54<nevyn>ceipha: wtf is baobab?
07:54<cahoot>ceipha: try df -i (just an idea)
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07:54<ceipha>nevyn: Gnome Disk Usage Analyser, the name of the command is baobab.
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07:56<ceipha>cahoot: whatever it is, the /home partition uses only 1% of it.
07:57<ceipha>Am I the only one experiencing this problem? That's strange, because I have it on my both machines. Hmm.
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08:02<ceipha>Also, it helps to reboot. After reboot the free space is there again.
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08:03<nevyn>ceipha: check .Xsession-errors
08:04<nevyn>in fact check all your . files for size
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08:05<Sydney> hello, again...anyone's up for helping a debian noob with a compiz/mesa related problem?
08:05<ceipha>nevyn: I did checked all my . and not . files for size. That's the problem. The space seems to be occupied by something that is not files :)
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08:05<nevyn>ceipha: that's also doable.
08:06<@Ganneff>!anyone
08:06<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
08:06<nevyn>ceipha: if you create a file then delete it you can still hold the handle to it and read and write data from it.
08:06<Sydney>the error is "Application calling GLX 1.3 function "glXCreatePixmap" when GLX 1.3 is not supported! This is an application bug!" when trying to run compiz --replace..
08:06<ceipha>nevyn: how to check whether it is the case?
08:06<nevyn>ceipha: with difficulty...
08:06<dell>games for linux
08:07<dell>help
08:07<Sydney>I suppose it is a problem with mesa as the glxinfo returns a mix of 1.2/1.3 versions...
08:07<Sydney>have an intel hd video card, so installing nvidia drivers isn't a solution...
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08:08<DjKazik>guys..how to start gnome panel ? My bar doesn't work :(
08:08<ceipha>nevyn: I believe it can be the case. As I told, it happens after Iceweasel has been running for a long time. If not, everything seems to be allright.
08:08<Sydney>I have checked around internet for similar situation, but honestly haven't got a clue on how to act...
08:09<ceipha>nevyn: I think it may have to do with caching and stuff, but honestly have no idea how to check for it.
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08:10<ceipha>nevyn: by the way, .Xsession-errors does not seem to even exist.
08:11<nevyn>.xsession-errors
08:11<nevyn>my bad.
08:13<ceipha>nevyn: now I see a million of "error: line 26357: bad flagvector"
08:13<DjKazik>#errors
08:17<ceipha>nevyn: actually, this file DOES occupy 599G. Seems that I haven't checked .files after all, sorry. Thank you for the hint!
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08:18<Sydney>so, no one knows how to update the mesa to 1.3 without installing nvidia drivers?
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08:21<Torsten_W>Sydney, if you use nvidia drivers, you don't use mesa
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08:22<Sydney>the point is I have an Intel HD Graphic card
08:22<Torsten_W>and why you will install nvidia-drivers then?
08:22<Sydney>around the internet there are people saying that with Nvidia drivers the problem doesn't appear
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08:23<Torsten_W>nvidia driver is for nvidia chipset, not for intel igp
08:23<Sydney>as opengl drivers are updated to 1.4 by nvidia drivers, it is written...
08:23<Sydney>I know, Torsten, that's why I'm looking for an alternative solution...
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08:24<Sydney>as it appears that xorg-video-intel, which installs the intel video drivers, does not update opengl to 1.3 or above...
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08:26<Sydney>I've tried installing xlibmesa-gl xlibmesa-glu mesa-utils libgl1-mesa-dri libgl1-mesa-glx before compiz, but the problem is still there...
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08:39<_WolanD_>HELP REGISTER
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09:11<DjKazik>anyone remember command to install fluxbox ?
09:11<pkrzywicki>:)
09:11<pkrzywicki>apt-get install fluxbox
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09:20<Zero94>wtf
09:20<Zero94>hello all
09:20<Zero94>let's slam this place!
09:20<Zero94>i'm the l33t
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09:21<abrotman>in the shape of an 'L' on his forehead ...
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09:44<home-alone>hi , when is next Debian stable release
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09:46<denilson>ghgg
09:46<denilson>fff
09:46<denilson>jhjhjjkhhll?
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10:47<Ne0WizArd>can't get wifi working netwokr manager is running and i can see the wireless card in iwconfig but wont scan for wifi networks
10:49-!-mode/#debian [+l 439] by debhelper
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10:52<chaos>i think i broke my linux ... i just installed irssi and when i try to start it i get the following error message: "... undefined symbol : g_malloc0_n
10:52<chaos>"
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10:53<ompaul>Ne0WizArd: apt-get install wicd and try that
10:54<ompaul>chaos: how did you install irssi
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10:54<chaos>aptitude update, aptitude install irssi
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10:55<ompaul>chaos: no idea why, which version are you running, and have you dist-upgraded at any point?
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10:57<chaos>yes i tried dist-upgrade a while ago that's probably when things went wrong terribly :) i have "testing" sources in apt/sources.list but i used to have a mix of testing/stable/old-stable :\
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10:58<ompaul>chaos: in that case I have only the follows words, the fact that it is running at all is surprising, please choose lenny or squeeze and reinstall you are just burying yourself in more trouble
10:59<chaos>well.. i would really hate to reinstall.. how is that any better than windblows?
10:59<ompaul>chaos: you should only have one version in your sources.list and I don't know if you are in a position to dist-upgrade out of the trouble you are now in, I would doubt it
11:00<ompaul>chaos: doing it the debian way is to do a dist-upgrade from version n to version n+1 not trying to maintain a mix of n-1 n and n+1
11:00<ompaul>chaos: the latter offers you what you have in your nick
11:00<chaos>but since i have testing mixed in ... what's "n+1" i can run forward to?
11:01<ompaul>testing only
11:01<chaos>right now i only have testing set as source
11:01<ompaul>try to dist-upgrade to that
11:02<chaos>but dist-upgrade doesn't fix it
11:02<chaos>i tried that a month or so ago
11:02<ompaul>cos you broke it
11:02<chaos>yes
11:02<chaos>obviously ....
11:02<ompaul>so how is that unlike windows
11:02<ompaul>if you break the machine it does not work
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11:03<chaos>windows breaks without any help on its own .. and usually it's unfixable .. i would hope i can track down what's broken and fix in linux
11:03<ompaul>you get to keep the pieces I guess, go get a squeeze install CD back up your data and don't make that mistake again
11:03<chaos>that would be easy... if the box wasn't 4 countries away :P
11:04<ompaul>chaos: talk to the isp
11:04<chaos>it's still a damn hassle to get an usb stick in it and kvm
11:05*ompaul runs a couple of boxes out of country and can use the nice isp control panel to sort out the box when I need to
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11:06<ompaul>chaos: well there you go, next time you won't be as quick to do things without checking the debian way of doing it
11:07<chaos>honestly .. i'm just gonna wait another month or two and see if there're new versions of shit and updating the system fixes stuff .. and until then i'm gonna live with not having midnight commander or irssi
11:08<chaos>i can't afford to have the box down for hours let alone days
11:08<ompaul>well clean up your sources.list so that testing is the only thing in there
11:08<ompaul>chaos: if you **can't afford** that then you should rent an additional box and get that online
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11:09<ompaul>get your first one sorted
11:09<chaos>yeah.. thought about that
11:09<ompaul>anyway there you go that is my best advise for someone in your position
11:09<chaos>thx
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11:15<jhutchins_lt>mc and irssi work just fine on my stable and testing installs.
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11:16<ompaul>jhutchins_lt: you don't have etch lenny and squeeze mixed up on one box I guess
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11:20<jhutchins_lt>Nope.
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11:21<ompaul>jhutchins_lt: that was the suggested config with the problem box :)
11:21<jhutchins_lt>I do have one box that has assorted packages from etch, lenny, squeeze, and sid on it.
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11:22<jhutchins_lt>It had a mixture of various terms including testing, squeeze, unstable, etc. in the sources.list when I inherited it.
11:23<jhutchins_lt>It runs farily well now, but I don't much mess with it.
11:24<ompaul>jhutchins_lt: not really built to TOGAF standards then ;-) (the open group architecture framework)
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11:56<M3ch0M4nc3r>Looking for some help getting pitivi to function on debian system gnome Could someone PM me for some assistance.???
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11:58<bzed>!tell M3ch0M4nc3r about ask
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12:09<M3ch0M4nc3r>I would like some help from one person who is good with debian and the movie editor PiTiVi to help me with a problem would be more than happy to post result of starting from root terminal to someone with a pulse.
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12:31<hackmaster>hhhi
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13:01<woden>How do I make X automatically start as root, without having to login first?
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13:04<felixs>woden: put X into /etc/rc.local for example (also, most login managers start X as root)
13:05<mjt>and don't run *dm
13:07<Torsten_W>gdm and kdm are able to use autologin
13:07<Torsten_W>so even with *dm is possible
13:07<mjt>either X in rc.local OR *dm
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13:14<clocker>Anyone having trouble running xsane on Lenny? It's crashing if I leave it open or try to get preview or scan.
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13:15<clocker>Started from a console and nothing came up to indicate where the problem is.
13:15<Yasser>Olaa
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13:16<themill>!ubuntu-es Yasser
13:16<dpkg>Yasser: Ubuntu esta basado en Debian, pero no es Debian, y dificilmente tendra los estandares de Debian. Solo Debian es soportado en #debian. Por favor conectese a #ubuntu-es en irc.freenode.net Ahi recibira mas soporte.
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13:21<woden>felixs, I have this in my /etc/X11/Xsession but the system still boots to the console only. http://fpaste.org/4ydI/
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13:22<felixs>woden: what are you trying to do?
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13:23<felixs>and why are you trying to do this as root?(!)
13:23<woden>felixs, I want my system to boot into X as root, without having to login first.
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13:25<westwood>woden, you want to run the entire session as root?
13:25<woden>westwood, YES
13:26<felixs>woden: you might want to start an X session using startx (xinit package). but you certainly don't want to do this as root
13:26<ompaul>woden: that is a VERY bad idea (TM)
13:26<westwood>he wants to do it anyway :)
13:26<woden>gah
13:26<woden>This is for a very particular purpose
13:26<felixs>(yes, startx works as root as well *sigh*)
13:27<woden>Why doesn't my Xsession script work?
13:27<woden> http://fpaste.org/4ydI/
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13:27<felixs>woden: how do you execute it?
13:28<woden>felixs, I am not sure. I thought Xsession was executed automatically on system startup?
13:28<felixs>woden: startx runs ~/.Xsession after starting X
13:28<ompaul>woden: why are you pasting to fedora when you could use paste.debian.net
13:28<woden>ompaul, habit
13:28<felixs>woden: no, Xsession runs, whenever a user starts his X session
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13:29<woden>felixs, I don't have an ~/.Xsession
13:29<Arrowmaster>either install gdm/kdm/xdm/slim, or put startx in /etc/rc.local
13:29<felixs>woden: cat something > ~.Xsession. there it is
13:30<woden>felixs, I don't have an "~/.Xsession" I have an "/etc/X11/Xsession"
13:30<woden>felixs, Will startx run /etc/X11/Xsession ?
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13:32<felixs>woden: i'm not so much into the xinit scripts, leave alone /etc/ if theres no reason to do otherwise
13:33<felixs>startx _certainly_ invokes ~/.Xsession, if you haven't changed anything
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13:36<woden>I figured out a way that I like.
13:36<woden>:p
13:36<woden>I just made a file /etc/rc2.d/S99startx
13:37<woden>and put the line: startx &
13:37<woden>it works
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13:41<felixs>woden: yes, 'it' works. but there are certainly things working now, that shouldnt work
13:41<woden>felixs, why?
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13:42<jhutchins_lt>woden: Some DE's don't use xsession.
13:42<jhutchins_lt>woden: If you start a pure X session it should use it.
13:43<woden>jhujhiti_, I'm not using a DE
13:43<felixs>what i'm pointing at is still 'dont run things as root if not needed' YMMV
13:43<woden>aside from the "don't run things as root if not needed" did you see any other problem with my method?
13:43<ompaul>woden: there are programs that can and will break things in new and interesting ways (nautilus for one) enjoy
13:45<felixs>woden: there are smart programms around, which refuse to work as root. 'cu' is one of them, havent tried most of the others
13:45<ompaul>woden: you are flying in the face of community advise, it stands, you have flown in the face of it, if something breaks please be happy to hold all the pieces yourself, if you use a browser with flash or java good luck with your security you'll need it
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13:46<woden>ompaul, no this is a custom live cd/usb that I am developing, for a very specific purpose. it won't have networking enabled.
13:47<sney>hmm, I suppose if you've got a read-only OS and no networking then there isn't really a problem with running it as root
13:47<sney>if you break anything, oops, reset
13:47<woden>yep
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14:04<mihkel>Hi. Debian Sid only recognises usb devices when I run lsusb after I plug them. quite inconvenient
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14:07<dentifrice>hey there - how can I change the default font in GTK programs?
14:08<dentifrice>I don't know why, but after I did a fresh squeeze install, I get an ugly big bold font by default in all GTK apps
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14:10<babilen>gtk-chtheme or just use the "appearance" something in "gnome-control-center" if you use gnome or run gnome-settings-daemon
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14:11<dentifrice>babilen: thanks, trying that
14:11<dentifrice>(I don't use gnome)
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14:12<dentifrice>babilen: what's the default GTK theme in debian?
14:13<babilen>dentifrice: you could also just run "gnome-settings-daemon", but gtk-chtheme is most likely what you want. You could also just edit your gtkrc-2.0 manually.
14:13<babilen>dentifrice: clearlooks
14:14<dentifrice>babilen: great, thanks
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14:14<dentifrice>babilen: I could set the fontsize to 6
14:14<Jwoww>hey
14:14<dentifrice>and it looks OK again
14:14<dentifrice>but that's super weird because I'm using the default on all other computers
14:15<babilen>6 is quite small, but use whatever you like :)
14:15<dentifrice>well 6 looks like the default on other computers
14:16<Jwoww>why is my computer screen have lines all over it since i got xubunto
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14:17<dragonfly>hi all
14:18<dentifrice>babilen: I confirm - my other laptop uses the default, font is "Sans - Regular - 10", and it looks like "Sans - Regular - 6" on the new install
14:18<dentifrice>is there anything that could affect it this way?
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14:19<babilen>It would be weird if not. I just can't think of anything right now :(
14:20<dentifrice>babilen: thanks for your help anyways, it doesn't allow me to understand why it happens, but tells me how to solve this issue
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15:02<edbian>What programming language uses := as the assignment operator?
15:02<Lethalman>smalltalk
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15:04*ompaul thinks of saying smalltalk is generally offtopic for hash debian along with other kinds of offtopic chat but thinks it might get a laugh :)
15:04<felixs>edbian: it reminds me of some sort of pascal, but i'm not so sure.
15:04<Lethalman>edbian, smalltalk uses it
15:05<edbian>felixs, in pascal : is an declaration = is an assignment so := is both perhaps?
15:05<edbian>smalltalk does use it
15:05<edbian>Thanks! :)
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15:11<ansgar>edbian: I am pretty sure "=" is the comparison operator and ":=" assignement in Pascal.
15:11<edbian>ansgar, You might be right
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15:14<slipshot>i keep getting an error talkin about needing firmware rtl8168d-1.fw
15:14<ompaul>:= (COLON/EQUAL) Variable assignment in pascal
15:15<slipshot>i looked in the repos and tried google but cant find much other than bug repots
15:15<slipshot>anyone know a fix?
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15:17<babilen>!rtl8168d
15:17<dpkg>[rtl8168d] The Realtek RTL8168D Ethernet controller is supported by <r8169> since Linux 2.6.31. v1 support was backported and enabled at linux-2.6 2.6.26-21. Firmware for v1 and v2 (rtl8168d-1.fw, rtl8168d-2.fw) is not packaged due to no clear redistribution permission (BTS #561309, #564628); these files are not required for device operation.
15:17<jhutchins_lt>!rtl-wifi
15:17<dpkg>[rtl-wifi] the Realtek Linux 802.11b/g wireless LAN drivers, included in mainline Linux kernels. Supports the RTL8180, RTL8185 and RTL8187 chipsets; RTL8187B supported as of Linux 2.6.27. Drivers do not require firmware from userspace. See http://wiki.debian.org/rtl818x for more information. For support of the RTL8187SE chipset, ask me about <rtl8187se>. For support of Realtek 802.11n devices, ask me about <rtl819x>.
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15:18<jhutchins_lt>Blast, I should've known what the 8168 was, I had to build a driver for Centos for it.
15:18<babilen>slipshot: You might want to check the bugs mentioned in the factoid. These files might still be downloadable somewhere, but they "are not required for device operation" FWIQ
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15:19<slipshot>babilen, for some odd reason i cant run network-manager because of this firmware
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15:20<woden>I have a file containing a list of packages, how do I tell aptitude to install all of them (I don't want to type them out manually one by one)?
15:20<babilen>slipshot: well, run wicd then :-þ
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15:21<felixs>woden: you might want to use dpkg --set-selections (after formatting your list accordingly)
15:21<jhutchins_lt>slipshot: Do you really need the network manager for a wired connection?
15:21<felixs>woden: then apt-get dselect-upgrade installs them
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15:22<slipshot>jhutchins, true enough but it is just a little thing that will bother me till i get it fixed.
15:23*slipshot is to much of a perfectionist
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15:23<dragonfly>woden, if it is just a list of package names, you can aptitude install { cat <file> } <--syntax may need to be checked there
15:23<jhutchins_lt>The network manager shouldn't even be managing a static, wired connection.
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15:24<felixs>dragonfly: $( cat file ) (in bash at least)
15:24<woden>How do I parse a file and remove all instances of the word 'install' ?
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15:26<slipshot>thanks for the info and your help
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15:27<petemc>woden: sed -i 's/install//g' file
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15:48<planet_fox>Hi
15:48<dragonfly>hi planet_fox
15:48<planet_fox>I have a Question about Open-Qrm and kvm
15:48<dragonfly>what is the question
15:49<planet_fox>I have an Server runs 1 Year with kvm and 5 guests
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15:51<planet_fox>I have see yesterday Open-Qrm supports in the stable version
15:51<planet_fox>version 4.7 supports kvm
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15:52<planet_fox>I want manage the kvm guests with open qrm
15:52<planet_fox>but how I can migrate my 5 guests from kvm in the system of
15:52<Darth_Revan>mrim-prpl-0.1.26 ~> env LANG=C dpkg-source -b .
15:52<Darth_Revan>dpkg-source: error: can't build with source format '3.0 (quilt)': no orig.tar file found
15:52<Darth_Revan>Where I can found info about src tree?
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15:52<planet_fox>Open-Qrm
15:53<Darth_Revan>1.0 format building correctly
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15:55<ompaul>planet_fox: firstly why change something that is working? secondly if you insist you have to understand what is here: http://www.openqrm.com/?q=node/70 they are not run one drop one you could run one of them at the same time and test your change over process, you are going to have to create the new boxes and guests and then migrate the data then change DNS messy
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16:03<planet_fox>the server is not a critical Server, yes I know "Never touch arunning System"
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16:04<planet_fox>I watch for an Backend for managing kvm guest from browser
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16:05<ompaul>planet_fox: in that case you back up your data and start to work to test
16:06<planet_fox>Bakup is create
16:07<woden>What is the name of the top level meta package for install xorg?
16:07<abrotman>xorg
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16:13<Darth_Revan>=(
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16:14<Darth_Revan>dpkg-source -b .
16:14<Darth_Revan>dpkg-source: error: can't build with source format '3.0 (quilt)': no orig.tar file found
16:14<Darth_Revan>what I'm doing wrong?
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16:16<ansgar>Darth_Revan: The .origz.tar.(bz2|gz|...) is missing?
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16:16<Darth_Revan>ansgar: Where I need to put it?
16:17<Darth_Revan>with 1.0 format everything makes correctly
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16:17<ansgar>Darth_Revan: In the directory above the package root. And 1.0 likely works because it falls back to creating a native package.
16:18<Darth_Revan>package-packagever/orig.tar.gz right?
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16:21<Darth_Revan>ansgar: or package-packagever/../package_packagever.orig.tar.gz ?
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16:22<ansgar>Darth_Revan: package_1.2.orig.tar.gz
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16:22<zaytsev>hi folks
16:23<Darth_Revan>ansgar: thanks
16:23<tuxcrafter>hi all
16:23<tuxcrafter>i want the motion init script to start after winbindd startup
16:23<tuxcrafter>and the winbindd init script to start after samba
16:23<tuxcrafter>i am using debian testing
16:23<zaytsev>I had a question related to snapshots.debian.org... why it only starts in 2005? because of the availability of the data?
16:24<tuxcrafter>what is the safe way to do this?
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16:24<Darth_Revan>another question: how can I build i386 package under x86-64?
16:25<zaytsev>I was just thinking if I can drop our old svn package tree and reconstruct it from snapshots into git
16:26<ansgar>Darth_Revan: In a chroot environment. sbuild or pbuilder can help too. Also #debian-mentors might be of more help.
16:26<zaytsev>Or maybe I should go to #debian-devel
16:26<tuxcrafter>mv --verbose /etc/rc5.d/S02winbind /etc/rc5.d/S04winbind
16:26<tuxcrafter>is that save
16:26<tuxcrafter>or should i use a systool for it?
16:26<Darth_Revan>ansgar: only in chroot?
16:27<Darth_Revan>maybe, there is somthing like cross-compiler?
16:27<zaytsev>Darth_Revan, what is your problem with chroot? you want to pollute your base system with i386 packages?
16:27<ansgar>Darth_Revan: Cross-compilers are likely *more* painful than a chroot...
16:28<Darth_Revan>ansgar: chroot system has got a size
16:28<va>hi. trying to update an old etch installation. aptitude update fails with "Err http://http.us.debian.org etch/main Packages\n 404 Not Found [IP: 64.50.233.100 80]". pls help
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16:28<zaytsev>Darth_Revan, you kidding, 100 megs is too much for you?
16:28<Darth_Revan>archive.debian.or
16:28<Darth_Revan>h
16:29<Darth_Revan>deb http://archive.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free
16:29<mjr>a vote for chroot for simplicity
16:29<ansgar>Darth_Revan: du -sh /srv/chroot/unstable-i386-sbuild → 304MB. And of course the build-depends come to that (which would also be the case for a cross-compiler).
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16:30<va>tyvm
16:30<ompaul>tuxcrafter: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch03.en.html is your best bet
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16:31<Darth_Revan>when wheezy come? I want latest xorg and kde in sid :-D
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16:33<ompaul>Darth_Revan: how long is a piece of string, and also when will squeeze be released :)
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16:34<Darth_Revan>ompaul: waiting, waiting, waiting
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16:41<tuxcrafter>hmm how does this Required-Start work
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16:45<ompaul>tuxcrafter: http://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts
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16:45<tuxcrafter>ompaul: yes i am reading the page
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16:46<tuxcrafter>i added # Required-Start: $local_fs $syslog $remote_fs winbind to /etc/init.d/motion
16:46<ompaul>tuxcrafter: crafter scroll down - it tells the script what should be present before the rest of the script kicks off
16:47<tuxcrafter>but it still starts before winbond
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16:47<ompaul>tuxcrafter: in the first doc it said you can use mv to do the change you want - this one says what is inside the script
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16:49<tuxcrafter>i got /etc/rc5.d/S04winbind and /etc/rc5.d/S05motion
16:49<tuxcrafter>its not listing to me :D
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16:53<tuxcrafter>trying $all
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16:54<ompaul>tuxcrafter: I have to head off back in 8 hours or so
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16:55<tuxcrafter>ompaul: thx
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16:57<leocade>hello. i was wondering if anyone could help me with U3-tools for creating a debian install dvd
16:58<tuxcrafter>dpkg-reconfigure insserv sysv-rc
16:58<tuxcrafter>fixed my initi issues by running
16:58<tuxcrafter>woot no more errors during boot
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17:00<leocade>anyone familiar with u3-tools?
17:00<nevyn>yeah.
17:00<leocade>im trying to use u3-tools to create a debian install dvd
17:00<nevyn>should be as simple as downloading a netinstall cd.
17:00<leocade>its on an 8gb usb drive
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17:00<nevyn>and telling u3install to install it.
17:01<nevyn>u3-tools rather.
17:01<leocade>i can't use netinst because i need a browser to connect to the school's internet
17:01<nevyn>ah.
17:02<leocade>i tried a cd yesterday which was 700mb and it worked but i didnt have lynx and my computer didnt like the gui
17:02<leocade>so i was hoping that installing a dvd would give me more options to work with
17:02<leocade>but u3-tools is angry and it spits out 121 error sometimes and othertimes it goes past 100% for loading the dvd onto the flash drive
17:03<leocade>right now its scrolling with asterisks in my cmd
17:03<leocade>and its at over 300%
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17:04<leocade>any suggestions?
17:05<nevyn>leocade: I don't think the u3 spec supports dvd's
17:05<nevyn>only cd's
17:05<leocade>okay
17:05<leocade>thanks
17:06<leocade>how do you check the packages on the cds?
17:06<leocade>before downloading them
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17:07<rodrigo>OI
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17:07<rodrigo>alguém online
17:07<rodrigo>?
17:07<otzi>!br
17:07<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
17:08<rodrigo>hi everything
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17:11<leocade>nevyn: thanks for the help. i think i found a cd with lynx
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17:20<jhutchins_lt>leocade: Why not install the packages directly from the net if you have a command line?
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17:21<leocade>im using command from my windows box. i can't access the internet without first logging on to the campus internet through a browser, which is required for linux os by the school
17:21<leocade>while windows and osx have to log in with cisco clean access
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17:22<jhutchins_lt>!apt-offline
17:22<jhutchins_lt>!apt-zip
17:22<dpkg>Update a non-networked computer using apt and removable media. Just aptitude install apt-zip and read the docs in /usr/share/doc/apt-zip, or ask me about <apt offline> <apt-walkabout>. http://wiki.debian.org/AptZip
17:22<jhutchins_lt>apt offline
17:23<jhutchins_lt>!apt offline
17:23<dpkg>To use apt on a machine that doesn't have a network connection (if you have a separate machine that does have a network connection), read http://batmat.net/apt-offline/ch3.html Ask me about <apt-zip><apt-walkabout>.
17:23<leocade>and that requires me to downlaod packages manually and put them on the usb drive?
17:23<jhutchins_lt>leocade: At the very least you could download just the lynx deb and install it, then see what dependencies it wants.
17:24<jhutchins_lt>leocade: Yes, but only the packages you need. You already have a partial system.
17:25<leocade>okay. thanks
17:25<jhutchins_lt>In fact, if you share the download folder you can use samba to install directly from the windows machine.
17:26<jhutchins_lt>You might also be able to use window internet connection sharing - I don't know much about it, haven't really used windows since w95.
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17:27<leocade>both os are on the same machine
17:28<leocade>but i guess it works with linux - linux right? so i could do that too, im running linux on my laptop
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17:28<leocade>does samba usually come with an install disk?
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17:33<leocade>logging out my laptop is logged into this channel too
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17:34<jdebian_><-- leocade
17:34<amphi>imposter!
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17:35<jdebian_>xD
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17:48<zaytsev>did anyone using kvm had this strange problem when guests can't resolve names with NOTIMP?
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17:49<zaytsev>I am completely confused about that. dnsmasq is running and from host I can query it and it resolves stuff. then from guests I can ping my hosts but queries fail with NOTIMP
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17:51<zaytsev>I can also ping external hosts from guests. But DNS requests to external hosts get refused... firewall?
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18:21<terr_>I'm looking for a pdf viewer which can change colors. The turkeys used grey text on a black background and I can't read it. Any suggestions?
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18:28<jhutchins_lt>That's the advantage of PDF - you can control presentation even to the point of making it unreadable.
18:29<jhutchins_lt>pdf2txt
18:29<jhutchins_lt>,versiohns pdf2text
18:29<zaytsev>ha-ha! the deal was that my kvm host had a udp server it's public interface
18:30<terr_>jhutchins: then this is just plain stupid. But no worries... its a commercial product and I've already emailed them that if they want me to buy it I have to be able to read it.
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18:30<jhutchins_lt>Not a good precedent.
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18:32<terr_>jhutchins: I can't read their website either... same brain dead color scheme: www.pixelmator.com
18:33<terr_>jhutchins: of course I want to run the software under Linux too!
18:33<terr_>jhutchins: if they can drive an apple GUI then they should be able to drive KDE as well!
18:33<jhutchins_lt>That's actually pretty legible for me.
18:34<jhutchins_lt>Remember you can enlarge the type with Ctrl+
18:34<terr_>jhutchins: I can't read any of hte grey text. White is fine
18:35<terr_>jhutchins: ah yes! I can. Last time I ended up with one monitor at 640x480 and the other at 1024x768. Not fun. I forget how I fixed it.
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18:35<jhutchins_lt>krandrtray, xrandr...
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18:37<terr_>jhutchins: maybe office will let me read it.
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18:40<terr_>jhutchins: nope. In Debian where would I find alternative pdf readers other than xpdf and Kpdf?
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18:40<jhutchins_lt>aptitude search pdf
18:41<jhutchins_lt>pdf2txt doesn't seem to be in Debian.
18:41<themill>pdftotext (poppler-utils)
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18:42<kenyon>terr_: aptitude search '?provides(pdf-viewer)'
18:42<kenyon>I prefer okular
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18:43<jhutchins_lt>It's in emacspeak but that would probably pull a lot of cruft.
18:43<terr_>kenyon: lots to choose from. I wonder what I have installed here?
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18:43<terr_>jhutchins: I use emacs
18:43<kenyon>ah emacs is good too.
18:43<jhutchins_lt>,versions okular
18:43<judd>Package okular on i386 -- lenny: 0.7-2+lenny1; sid: 4:4.4.5-2; squeeze: 4:4.4.5-2
18:43<kenyon>terr_: if there is an i in the first column of that aptitude search output, you have it installed.
18:44<kenyon>emacs can view PDFs
18:45<terr_>kenyon: I learned something new today! :-) I have xpdf and kpdf and neither of my versions will allow me to change colors.
18:45<terr_>let me try then!
18:45<terr_>emacs &
18:45<kenyon>[1] 13813
18:46<retrospectacus>:D
18:47<kenyon>I doubt you'll be able to change document colors in any PDF viewer, as jhutchins_lt said.
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18:48<terr_>kenyon: what's this? DMCA style laws in action? what of ppl who are colorblind!!!
18:48<kenyon>terr_: heh, don't know, I've just never seen that capability
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18:49<terr_>kenyon: then we should add it. but you're right... I've never seen it either. Maybe ghostview can do it.
18:50<themill>!pdf edit
18:50<dpkg>Editing PDFs isn't that easy as they were more-or-less designed to be a read-only document format. The <pdftk> package allows you to split and merge PDFs, as does the "pdfsam" package. The pdfedit package provides a powerful but quirky PDF editor. OpenOffice draw is also able to import PDFs as text/drawing objects which can allow some editing/commenting to be done. Also ask me about <fill pdf forms>, <pdf>.
18:51<terr_>my openoffice won't open the pdf. Its old
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18:58<themill>terr_: backports.org has OOo3.2 for lenny which can import pdfs into oodraw
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19:28<Kritar>hello i need some information
19:28<babilen>sure, just ask
19:30<Kritar>i was trying to install debian i506, but i have some problems with the graphical interface
19:31<Kritar>do you know a good tutorial or book o something to learn
19:31<babilen>you mean the graphical installer?
19:31<Kritar>?
19:31<Kritar>no
19:31<kakashi>hello, please help me. i would like to boot debian on a clien host without hard disk ,from a sever with PXE. but i can't foud a documentation.
19:31<babilen>or the graphical system that comes up after you've installed debian?
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19:32<Kritar>exactly babilen, i can install debian
19:32<Kritar>but i have some problems with xorg gnome, etc
19:32<Kritar>it is an old pc, mother soyo chipset via
19:32<Kritar>micro celeron
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19:33<babilen>ok, to start with your first question. A good resource is the Debian reference online or the book by madduck http://debiansystem.info/
19:34<babilen>What problems do you have?
19:35<babilen>!reference
19:35<dpkg>The Debian Reference will answer most of your questions about Debian. The latest version (v2) is at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ . Read it after installing Debian and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. You can install this too, the package name is debian-reference: 'aptitude install debian-reference'
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19:35<Kritar>i can install xorg (apt-get install xorg) and i can install gnome (apt-get install gnome)
19:35<kakashi>thank you very mutch
19:36<Kritar>but when i type start x, it's crash
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19:36<Kritar>sorry for my english, yo soy de argentina
19:37<babilen>kakashi: No, that wasn't for you. We've used custom scripts for diskless booting at my university, but I don't have access to them now. You might want to look into technology developed for clusters and google for diskless debian. I am not aware of an off-the-shelf solution, but one might certainly exist
19:37<babilen>!ar
19:37<dpkg>rumour has it, ar is argon or a program to create, modify, and extract from archives (man ar), or in binutils, or argentina, or #debian-ar on irc.oftc.net.
19:37<babilen>there is also #debian-es if you prefer that :)
19:38<kakashi>oh i see
19:38<Kritar>no, i prefer to try to understand you :)
19:39<abrotman>lspci -nn | grep VGa
19:39<abrotman>VGA
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19:40<kakashi>yes is that i would like to install a "beowolf clustering" but i dont know how can i start :(
19:40<babilen>Kritar: Ok, you should install pastebinit (aptitude install pastebinit) and paste your X logs "pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log" and tell us the URL
19:40<k-man>how do i get grub to run through its dpkg install again?
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19:40<babilen>k-man: What are you trying to do ...
19:40<babilen>brb
19:42<k-man>babilen: i did a full-upgrade, which included some updats that caused grub to show me the debian grub install screens - i selected drives i thought it should install to, but it gave me warnigns and errors about not having installed to the correct partion for md/lvm
19:42<k-man>i want to rerun it to check
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19:43<Kritar>ok babilen i am going to do that and then i come back to tell you the URL
19:43<Kritar>thank you
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19:45<stitch>so um
19:45<stitch>will there ever be a debian barbie?
19:45<stitch>i mean she WAS in toy story :D
19:46<babilen>kakashi: You could look into tools like sisuite, oscar, rocks or build your own system. check out http://www.beowulf.org/
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19:46<babilen>kakashi: no idea if that is up to date ... my cluster course was a while ago :)
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19:47<kakashi>oh i see
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19:47<abdullah>hi
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19:48<abdullah>about debian live installer
19:48<abdullah>is there any specification to run it on debian testing?
19:48<babilen>kakashi: also http://wiki.debian.org/DebianBeowulf -- i would write a mail to the debian-beowulf mailing list
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19:53<babilen>kakashi: http://www.debianadmin.com/how-to-set-up-a-high-performance-cluster-hpc-using-debian-lenny-and-%20%20kerrighed-updated.html
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20:22<theodore>hi i need some help setting up my scanner in debian
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20:22<theodore>the xsane can't find it...
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20:23<theodore>it's a canonscan lide
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20:26<theodore>tried this http://snapscan.sourceforge.net/#supported and it finds my scanner but xsane doesn't
20:27<theodore>that's only as root
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20:28<theodore>hey guys... help a newbee...
20:29<cthuluh>theodore: if someone can help you then he will, just be patient
20:30<theodore>ok....
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20:34<gsimmons>theodore: What is your device's USB ID? (use lsusb to determine). There are at least 14 CanoScan LiDE models.
20:36<theodore>Canon, Inc. CanoScan LiDE 50/LiDE 35/LiDE 40
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20:51<woden>I get this error after running lh build: http://paste.debian.net/102244/ does anyone know what the problem is?
20:51<retrospectacus>theodore: he wanted the id. it looks like 10de:01d8
20:52<theodore>what does that mean...?
20:52<retrospectacus>gsimmons> theodore: What is your device's USB ID? --> you didn't put the ID
20:54<theodore>all i get is this:
20:54<theodore>Bus 005 Device 002: ID 04a9:2213 Canon, Inc. CanoScan LiDE 50/LiDE 35/LiDE 40
20:54<theodore>Bus 005 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
20:54<theodore>Bus 004 Device 002: ID 041e:401f Creative Technology, Ltd Webcam Notebook [PD1171]
20:54<theodore>Bus 004 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
20:54<theodore>Bus 003 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
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20:56<theodore_>sorry... http://paste.debian.net/102247/
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20:56<retrospectacus>theodore_: the first line, where it says ID 04a9:2213 ...that's the ID
20:57<theodore_>so what do i have to do?
20:57<gsimmons>theodore: Does 'sane-find-scanner' or 'scanimage -L' detect your device? Also, which Debian version are you using?
20:57<theodore_>bare with me, i 'm new...
20:58<theodore_>the latest version, just installed
20:59<theodore_>in sane-find-scanner i get: found USB scanner (vendor=0x04a9 [Canon], product=0x2213 [CanoScan], chip=GL841) at libusb:005:002
20:59<theodore_>found USB scanner (vendor=0x041e, product=0x401f) at libusb:004:002
20:59<theodore_> # Your USB scanner was (probably) detected. It may or may not be supported by
20:59<theodore_> # SANE. Try scanimage -L and read the backend's manpage.
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21:00<theodore>oh i 'm useless....
21:01<gsimmons>theodore: Please stop pasting. Your device is detected, running xsane should allow for its use. IME, you will need to add yourself to the scanner group (e.g. "adduser theodore scanner") and logout/in beforehand.
21:03<theodore>user and groups
21:03<theodore>i see theodore and root
21:03<theodore>then what?
21:03<theodore>add user?
21:05<abrotman>gsimmons: beforehand?
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21:06<theodore>my english is poor, what does beforehand means...?
21:06<gsimmons>Ugh, s/beforehand/before using xsane/
21:07<theodore>oh, yeah no luck
21:08<theodore>there is this "manage groups" button, if i check to control the scanners and then reboot...?
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21:14<tom4golf> /msg dpkg bash
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21:15<babilen>theodore: just run "adduser YOUR_USER_NAME scanner" as root - log out and back in
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21:16<theodore>ok, thank u guys
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21:19<woden>what is the correct way to upgrade from lenny to squeeze
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21:20<cthuluh>dpkg: tell woden -about lenny->squeeze
21:20<theodore>hey u guys u r great. IT WORKS!!!! can't thank u enough...
21:20<cthuluh>cool
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21:20<theodore>sorry for breaking your "balls" alright?
21:21<jdebian_>say the person's name who you're talking to and it will highlight the line for them and it its minimized, it will pop up in a balloon
21:22<jdebian_>like theodore
21:22<babilen>theodore: great :)
21:22<kd123>does anyone know the solution for wodim throwing errors when it's trying to do OPC...
21:22<kd123>I'm using some memorex cd-rw...
21:23<babilen>woden: Read the release notes for Squeeze -- they mention every single step you *should* perform
21:23<kd123>I've used memorex DVD+Rs with success :)
21:23<theodore>thank u guys. Yet i guess i 'll have some more questions soon... :)
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21:24<woden>cthuluh, babilen, I'm getting a bunch of errors when I type apt-get update
21:25<woden>"Temporary failure resolving "
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21:25<theodore>hey, for the sake of it, i know ubuntu and other distros will make my life easier, but DEBIAN is all about linux...
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21:26<babilen>woden: well, don't you know the drill? → http://paste.debian.net
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21:26<theodore>goodnight and i really thank u a lot
21:27<leocade>cthuluh: thanks for the help yesterday
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21:28<cthuluh>leocade: so you got your USB install running ok?
21:28<leocade>cthuluh: yeah but i ran into some other problems like my screens not being supported by gdm
21:29<leocade>cthuluh: after pulling my hair out with more help from here i've decided to try a different cd with lynx on it and try to connect to the internet for apt-get
21:29<cthuluh>this is the kind of things that happen, I guess
21:31<woden>babilen, http://paste.debian.net/102248/
21:31<kd123>anyone have any wodim advice?? lol
21:32<babilen>woden: Well, your internet connection (or rather your DNS) is not working correctly
21:32<babilen>kd123: always simulate before you burn
21:33<kd123>babilen: you mean test the write before you actually write it?
21:34<babilen>kd123: yes (you asked for random wodim advice, don't expect something substantial)
21:36<babilen>but i have the feeling that you have a different problem though
21:36<woden>kd123, aptitude install wodim
21:36<woden>:p
21:36<kd123>lol :D
21:36<babilen>woden: so, your name resolution is not working ... can you ping?
21:37<babilen>e.g. "ping 8.8.8.8" or "ping 4.2.2.4" ?
21:37<kd123>wodim is throwing opc errors when I try to write to a cd-rw disk... but wodim works fine with dvd+r
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21:40<babilen>kd123: like http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=455728 ?
21:40<kd123>O
21:40<kd123>oops :P
21:41<kd123>babilen: I looked online and a lot of other people have the same issue too
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21:42<woden>babilen, it was working before. i'm in qemu. for some reason i no longer have an eth0
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21:43<kd123>babilen: yeah thats the error im getting
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21:45<babilen>You might want to try growisofs -- it worked well for me in the past. not sure if you'll run into the same problem
21:46<babilen>Or you could contact wodim upstream and triage that bug
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21:50<kd123>babilen: ok thanks for the help let me try growisofs :)
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21:51<kd123>babilen: will growisofs do cdrom isos?
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21:54<babilen>yes
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21:54<babilen>or rather: what do you mean? the "yes" referred to "burn them"
21:55<kd123>babilen: yes I meant 'burn them' ... growisofs is giving me this error: ":-( /dev/scd0: media is not recognized as recordable DVD: A"
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21:56<kd123>babilen: I used the command "growisofs -Z /dev/scd0=image.iso" :P
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21:57<babilen>yes, that's correct. but you are right and growisofs does indeed not burn CDs
21:57<babilen>sorry for leading you down the wrong path
21:57<kd123>babilen: that's ok :) it was a good try
21:58<kd123>babilen: do you have any other ideas for burning cd iso without wodim?
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22:02<leocade>i'm having trouble using su to log into root. it tells me authentication failure
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22:03<kd123>leocade: sounds like you have the wrong password
22:03<leocade>and i have to keep typing sudo before i want to use a command
22:03<leocade>i used passwd and tried to change it but it tells me the password hasn't changed
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22:05<kd123>hmm...
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22:06<leocade>i know that i didnt put in a password for root and instead and i understand that i have to use su to get privileges. it worked fine when i used a different installation on my laptop but this box doesnt seem to like it
22:07<kd123>leocade: I'm at a loss... sorry :P
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22:07<leocade>kd123 thats no problem thanks though
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22:09<acu>hello
22:09<acu>are the squeeze repositories not working ?
22:10<acu>I am trying to install a amd 64 daily squeeze and it tells me Bad archive mirror
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22:13<sney>acu: seems fine at my end
22:14<sney>could be a network reachability problem?
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22:30<acu>sney - I am looking back on my settings - actually there were few people on freenode debian - trying to help me out too -
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22:32<abrotman>yeah, there are!
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22:37<sney>tch. crossposting.
22:44<leocade>having trouble mounting an iso as a cd
22:44<leocade>how is it done?
22:46<tyen>leocade: mkdir foo;mount -o loop foo.iso foo
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22:48<leocade>i dunno why something similar wasnt working before. does this work with mounting dvd isos?
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22:49<leocade>tyen - how do i use this with apt-cdrom?
22:50<tyen>leocade: I've never used, but a quick scam of mane page looks like apt-cdrom -d foo add
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22:51<leocade>ah. i was trying to put add before the location. thanks
22:51<tyen>and -m so it doesn't try to mount since you already did that
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23:04<sneakers>Should I use apt-get or aptitude?
23:07<sney>personal choice
23:07<sney>aptitude is more shiny and new, with better conflict resolution, but apt-get is noticeably faster especially on older systems
23:08<cthuluh>though for versions upgrade, apt-get is now recommended
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23:09<cthuluh>sneakers: just /msg dpkg apt-get, aptitude, etc
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23:20<k-man>i have this problem with grub, it gave me this error and i'm scared i won't be able to boot: http://pastebin.ca/2017949
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23:20<sney>hmm
23:20<sney>partitionless disk...
23:20<sney>do you have any usb drives connected
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23:21<k-man>ooh
23:21<k-man>hehe
23:21<k-man>a flash disk
23:21<k-man>oh no
23:21<k-man>my mistake, no, its not connected at the moment
23:21<k-man>i have a raid1 array
23:21<k-man>brb
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23:25<sneakers>What is the menu.1st for the new grub?
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23:28<k-man>sneakers: pasatebin it?
23:28<k-man>http://pastebin.com/nckVSHta
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23:31<sneakers>k-man, There is no such file on squeeze
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