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---Logopened Tue Dec 14 00:00:24 2010
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00:28<twb>I have a dom0 and a bunch of LXC container as domUs.
00:28<twb>Most domUs will have e.g. ssl-cert, ssh, openldap users and groups.
00:28<twb>Is there any reason I shouldn't abuse /usr/share/base-passwd/*.master to ensure that such common system accounts have the same UIDs and GIDs in all domUs?
00:29<twb>The point is that then when I look at the bind-mounted filesystems from the dom0, I will see correct usernames.
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00:33<helion>after installing ia32-lib my system still complains about not having a 32 bit compatibility library, am I still missing something?
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00:35<twb>helion: ia32-libs only provides libs that you probably want
00:35<twb>helion: it doesn't include every lib
00:36<twb>helion: pastebin the error message verbatim
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00:39<helion>I just checked and it seems that problem only occurs if I try to run a program from /home
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00:41<helion>heh now it's working, sorry to bother you.
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00:43<twb>I bet /home is shared between i386 and amd64 hosts
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00:48<TheSeparateOne>Alright, #debian, I'm having a problem with the radeon driver. Specifically, the screen flickers in horizontal lines unless booted with the radeon.modeset=0 option, and windows 'stutter' when moved. Anyone know a fix? I'm coming from OpenSUSE and Slackware, which both handle the radeon driver smoothly, so I'm assuming it's a config problem.
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00:58<TheSeparateOne>Hmm, maybe it's a kernel module problem..
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01:05<twb>OK, why does update-passwd not write to /etc/gshadow?
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01:08<TheSeparateOne>Alright, problem found: something's off with radeon kms support, probably in the kernel... Anyone know if there's a squeeze kernel with DRM_RADEON_KMS set, or am I going to have to go in and compile it myself?
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01:13<yoshio>config-2.6.32-5-686:# CONFIG_DRM_RADEON_KMS is not set
01:13<twb>!kernel handbook
01:14<TheSeparateOne>Lovely. I *love* reconfiguring kernels...
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01:19<twb>It's nowhere near as fucking annoying as it used to be
01:19<twb>But I commiserate
01:19<TheSeparateOne>Yeah, it's not -that- bad. But still obnoxious.
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02:15<hide>freenode has got more people in #debian .
02:16<sney>that's usually how it is
02:17<sney>freenode is just bigger in general
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02:17<twb>Freenode's #debian is all the people who don't know how to read debian.devel.announce
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02:19<dragonfly>yeah, there more than twice as many people there right now
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02:20<hide>yeah, but some time ago pointed to freenode
02:20<hide>not sure why they decided to switch
02:20<sney>politics maybe
02:21<twb>hide: um, points to
02:21<dragonfly>twb, that has not always been the case
02:21<twb>dragonfly: twice as many idiots
02:22<hide>lol, NOW it indeed points to OFTC
02:22<hide>but some time AGO it pointed to freenode
02:22<twb>dragonfly: right, about two years ago when they bloody announced the change on -announce, it, you know, changed
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02:23<dragonfly>lol @ twb
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02:36<dragonfly>I'm always amused by the number of people on irc that aren't really around
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02:38<ryuk>idling is fun...
02:39<dragonfly>hmmm, guess i havent found the enjoyment yet
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04:00<mercutio22>Hi I am trying to upgrade from ext3 to ext4.
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04:00<mercutio22>in step 1
04:01<mercutio22>it says I need to do it in single-user mode
04:01<jm_>best to do it from a live cd
04:01<mercutio22>how can I ensure I am in single-user-mode?
04:01<twb>mercutio22: runlevel?
04:02<mercutio22>jm_: unfortunately its a netbook and I have no live usb drives
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04:02<mercutio22>twb: should I run on tty1 and kill everything runing on the other ones such as gnome on tty7?
04:03<twb>mercutio22: if gnome is running, you aren't in single user mode
04:03<jm_>mercutio22: Debian adds single user mode/recovery to boot menu - use that when booting
04:03<twb>Or "telinit 1"
04:04<mercutio22>jm_: oh.. I see
04:04<mercutio22>twb: great
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04:40<leocade>hello. im getting an error from compiz --replace when i put it in terminal saying "fatal: software rendering detected." anyone able to help?
04:42<gil-galad>apparently you don't have hardware acceleration..
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04:42<leocade>how do i fix this?
04:42<leocade>im using an ATI radeon HD 5750
04:43<leocade>im guessing its something to do with my drivers but im not sure how to approach it
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04:43<gil-galad>what does "glxinfo | grep rendering" say ?
04:44<leocade>when i put in glxinfo it says direct rendering: yes, openGL renderer string Mesa X11
04:44<gil-galad>mm strange
04:44<leocade>well i can tell you before i had a rasterizer error
04:45<leocade>and i looked it up and it pointed me to a lib file
04:45<leocade>and compiz-check didnt complain about the rasterizer anymore
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04:46<gil-galad>what's your desktop environment ?
04:47<gil-galad>and what x server are you using ?
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04:47<jm_>you probably need to use closed source amd driver
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04:49<leocade>is it safe to get one?
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04:49*twb boos
04:50<leocade>gil-galad xorg
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04:51<gil-galad>mm, jm_ surely knows better than me dude, try to get the amd closed source driver
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04:52<dpkg>[fglrx] "FireGL and Radeon for X", the AMD/ATI proprietary display driver for Radeon R5xx, R6xx, R7xx and Evergreen chipsets. As of fglrx-driver 1:9-4-1, no chipsets prior to the R600 series are supported; use <radeon> or <radeonhd> instead. To install, ask me about <fglrx one-liner lenny>, <fglrx one-liner squeeze> or see . #ati on
04:53<leocade>would i need to uninstall the other drivers first?
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04:57<leocade>k thanks
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05:32<leocade>jm_ thanks it works great
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05:32<jm_>leocade: np
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05:38<blackthor>hello. i seem to experience a weird problem. i put the disk of a running debian lenny into a new machine, and everything seems to work. i can ping/ssh it from local network, and it can ping/ssh local ip's, but when i try to access it from outside ip (routed), or when i try to reach the outer world, the machine seems to be unreachable
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05:38<blackthor>when doing a "route" command, it just hangs after the first line and the gateway seems missing,
05:38<jm_>perhaps your NIC is no longer eth0
05:39<jm_>use route -n
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05:39<blackthor>yes that's what i've thought, it is indeed eth2, but i changed /etc/network/interfaces
05:39<blackthor>(otherwise it wouldn't work locally either)
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05:39<jm_>you need to edit udev rules
05:40<dpkg>udev has the ability to statically rename Ethernet cards based on MAC address since version 0.090. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules (Lenny, Squeeze) or /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules (Etch). If you want the mappings to change, edit the respective file. To apply changes: "udevadm trigger" ("udevtrigger" on Etch) or reload the relevant driver module. See also <forcedeth mac>, <udev>.
05:40<blackthor>yes, that was my second step, but i don't really know what to change, i tried commenting out the unknown mac adresses
05:40<blackthor>i see!
05:40<blackthor>lemme give that one a try :)
05:43<blackthor>hmmm well, i commented out the old mac adresses but no further succes
05:44<blackthor>restarted networking, the machine yet can't ping (google's DNS) although the gateway is correct
05:44<jm_>is it eth0?
05:45<blackthor>no it's eth2
05:45<blackthor>but that should work too, right
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05:46<blackthor>i mean, the machine can ping local ip's and vice versa (i can ssh to it from local)
05:46<blackthor>so that's proof that eth2 works, no ?
05:46<blackthor>i reckon it must be a gateway problem
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05:49<jm_>interface name doesn't matter as long as everything is configured properly
05:49<blackthor>well, the weird part is, i do a route add -net command
05:49<blackthor>and after 1 minute it says "BACKUP: Unknown host"
05:50<blackthor>mmm apparantly the avahi-daemon is withdrawing the ip address for some reason
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05:54<zakotsi>hallo everyone
05:55<zakotsi>is there anyone out there?
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06:02<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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06:06<blackthor>hmmm still not solved... any other options? the interface is eth2, /etc/network/interfaces is correct, i tried manually adding the gateway but then network connection drops out (also tried rebooting)
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06:13<zakotsi>I just joined for the very first time to ask a question: burning a DVD with k3b is imposible. DVD is OK (used different and have used same before) the problem is wodim (cdrecord is a symlink to wodim) .I uninstalled wodim (along with k3b and others) and installed from main rep cdrecord and voila wodim was again present as a symlink. I guess i can manually remove links and delete wodim (i like k3b) and install original cdrecord but....on next
06:13<zakotsi>upgrade i think i will have the same problem. Is there a smarter way?
06:13<jm_>zakotsi: try using growisofs instead
06:14<zakotsi>Thanks for replaying. How can i do that? Inside k3b with user parameters?
06:15<zakotsi>jm_: Thanks for replaying. How can i do that? Inside k3b with user parameters?
06:15<jm_>well make sure it's installed first, after that look in k3b settings/preferences I guess
06:15<jm_>zakotsi: ^^^^^
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06:15<zakotsi>OK I'll give it a try and report
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06:24<zakotsi>jm_: growisofs was installed but setting in made no difference :-(
06:25<jm_>zakotsi: does k3b show a log of what happens?
06:26<zakotsi>i will run it and tell you. I have set it to default settings (no user params)
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06:29<zakotsi>jm_: output from k3b: Waiting for media... Writing DVD-R in incremental mode Using growisofs 7.1 ... Starting disk write .... Writing speed:1385 KB/s ...
06:30<zakotsi>jm_: and then: :-( media is not formatted or unsupported ... Write error
06:30<jm_>zakotsi: try running dvd+rw-mediainfo
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06:31<zakotsi>jm_: if you want the output from terminal where can i post it (it is long)
06:31<jm_>zakotsi: /msg dpkg paste
06:32<zakotsi>jm_: I'm sorry i didn't get what you mean
06:32<jm_>!tell zakotsi -about paste
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06:36<zakotsi>jm_: Posting 102372 from zakotsi posted at 2010-12-14 12:35:17 expires: 2010-12-17 12:35:17
06:36<zakotsi>jm_: thanks a lot
06:37<zakotsi>jm_: url is
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06:40<zakotsi>jm_: for your info the problem emerged because of a new installation. The previous time i had fixed it by setting k3b to look for cdrecord in user params. That fixed it so I didn't check if it was a symlink to wodim back then as it is now...
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06:41<jm_>zakotsi: is that both k3b and dvd+rw-mediainfo output?
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06:42<zakotsi>jm_ this is only copy-paste from konsole after giving "k3b &"
06:42<jm_>zakotsi: try dvd+rw-mediainfo /dev/hdb
06:43<jm_>zakotsi: note that sometimes burners no longer work after a while - it has happened to me with exactly the same model you have there and several other burners in the past
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06:44<zakotsi>jm_: Logical but unfortunately i have only linux now in my box and only winXp as a virtualbox thing which would probably not work
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06:47<zakotsi>jm_: output of dvd+rw-mediainfo /dev/hdb:
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06:49<jm_>zakotsi: I think that looks fine, but it's been a while since I last used it - did you try burning it on command line?
06:50<zakotsi>jm_: I think it is not very posible to brake down just after the new install . If i am sooooo lucky what can i say!!!
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06:51<zakotsi>jm_: no how can i do that? (sorry for that but it will take me a while to brose man pages)
06:51<jm_>zakotsi: what are you trying to burn?
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06:52<zakotsi>jm_: photos (data dvd)
06:53<jm_>zakotsi: here's what I use -- growisofs -speed=4 -dvd-compat -Z /dev/hdb -r -J -dir-mode 555 -file-mode 444 -V volume dir
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06:58<zakotsi>jm_: i saw the man page but i canot find volume is it on <genisoimage-options>?
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06:59<jm_>zakotsi: it's a mkisofs option just like those dir-mode -J etc.
06:59<dijz>hello, I get kernel panic not syncing vfs unable to mount root fs on unknown-block 0 0, can someone help me?
07:00<dpkg>Modular support is nice, but don't go overboard. You'll have to use static (vs modular) support for your root filesystem (including where your modules reside), the hardware to boot it (e.g. IDE, SCSI controllers, etc). Consider using a known good configuration from /boot/ and copy it to .config, then make oldconfig (ask me about <kp>). And make sure your initrd is set up correctly in your bootloader.
07:00<zakotsi>jm_: OK i''l try it and report back
07:00<dijz>i try hint of web page, but I dont sucess
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07:05<jm_>dijz: read what dpkg said
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07:06<zakotsi>jm_: Joliet tree sort failed. The -joliet-long switch may help you.
07:06<zakotsi>NOTE: multiple source directories have been specified and merged into the root
07:06<zakotsi>of the filesystem. Check your program arguments. genisoimage is not tar.
07:06<zakotsi>:-( write failed: Input/output error
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07:07<zakotsi>jm: I gave: growisofs -speed=4 -dvd-compat -Z /dev/hdb -R -J -dir-mode 555 -file-mode 444 -V volume photos/*
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07:07<jm_>zakotsi: just specify photos, not photos/*
07:08<dpkg>[kernel-package] To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "aptitude install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz. You should also ask me about <make-kpkg>, <kp mantra> and <kernel build-deps>.
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07:08<jm_>volume is something you can change - it's cd "label"
07:08<zakotsi>jm_: they are toooo many to pick one by one if i get what you mean unless you want me to try one to see if it works
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07:10<dijz>jm_ thanks, I put intaller cd, I have mounted / and try apt-get, to install old linux-image... It run newgrub, but I dont sucess, can I run dpkg -i old-package-linux-image.deb?
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07:13<jm_>zakotsi: no, you can tell it juist the dirname and it will include anything in there on your disc
07:13<jm_>dijz: you need to chroot into it
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07:15<dijz>jm_ ok... I put install cd, and: $mount /dev/sda2 /mnt $chroot /mnt and now...
07:16<zakotsi>jm_: I use long names so i get the same error before the write: Joliet tree sort failed. The -joliet-long switch may help you.
07:17<zakotsi>I thing that -J is the joliet swich. What is the long one? (if you know)
07:17<jm_>dijz: you need to mount /proc in chroot and probably bind mount /dev there too
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07:18<jm_>zakotsi: -J is only needed if you want to see long filenames in windows - you can skip it if you don't care about that
07:18<jm_>zakotsi: it told you -- "-joliet-long" :)
07:18<dijz>jm_ /dev/sda2 is / of debian
07:19<jm_>dijz: so I see
07:19<dijz>jm_ i read hint about ir yesterday, but I dont sucess, and i dont more remember
07:20<jm_>dijz: hint for what?
07:21<jm_>just "mount /proc"
07:21<jm_>(in chroot)
07:22<zakotsi>jm_: I had the error:
07:23<jm_>zakotsi: hmm if you eject and reload it, how long does it take for the drive to recognize the disc? light stops flashing
07:23<zakotsi>jm_: output very similar to k3b
07:23<zakotsi>jm_: about 7 secs
07:24<zakotsi>jm_: I thing growisofs is part of the same package with wodim and maybe thats why the problem persists
07:24<jm_>zakotsi: sounds way too long, I'd say buy a new drive :)
07:25<jm_>zakotsi: no, wodim is a fork of cdrecord, growisofs is a different project
07:25<dijz>jm_ :) ok, i think i mount it, but I can not read by df
07:25<zakotsi>thanks but time is not the problem and it usually takes so much
07:25<zakotsi>OK thanks for info on growisofs
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07:26<dijz>jm_ ;dev is mounted, with $ls /dev is not listed sda2
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07:27<jm_>dijz: in chroot?
07:27<dijz>jm_ yes!
07:28<jm_>dijz: also mount /sys
07:28<dijz>jm_ I really read /sys with df
07:28<jm_>I keep forgetting about sys
07:28<jm_>dijz: you should see sda in /sys/block
07:29<dijz>directory /sys is empty
07:29<jm_>so it's not mounted properly
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07:31<dijz>jm_ If I exit of chroot, then I run ls /sys/block and I see sda...
07:31<jm_>dijz: yes, so outside of chroot mount --bind /sys /mnt/sys
07:31<jm_>same for /dev
07:33<zakotsi>jm_: any other idea?
07:34<dijz>jm_ ok!! now in chroot (mnt) i can see /sys/block/sda
07:34<jm_>zakotsi: I'm affraid not - if you can, test the blanks with some other drive
07:34<jm_>dijz: ok now you can install stuff
07:35<zakotsi>jm_: OK, thank you very much for time/effort/eagerness, buy
07:35<jm_>zakotsi: no worries
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07:38<dijz>jm_ I like baby :) simple "grub-install /dev/sda2" dont work it need blocklist
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07:42<dijz>ok, sda2 is notlisted in /sys/block, I run grub-install /dev/sda, and i work, but now in reboot, i get the same error
07:42<jm_>well reinstalling boot loader rarely helps with that error
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07:45<dijz>jm_ now I did read file not found... i will try install right in /dev/sda2
07:46<jm_>dijz: file not found from grub? for which file?
07:46<dijz>before menu of grub, after menu of grub, have not name of file
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07:47<jm_>what do you mean?
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07:48<dijz>in boot, We get menu of grub, before this and after it i read it
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07:49<jm_>the error? does it say which file can't be found?
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07:54<dijz>jm_ 1: GRUB loading 2: file nor found ... (menu) ... 1: Booting 'Debian GNU/Linux, with Linux 2.6.32-5-686' 2: error: file not found. 3: Loading Linux 2.6.32-5-686 ... 4: Loading initial ramdisk ...
07:55<jm_>dijz: check the files referenced in that boot entry and if they are there
07:56<dijz>I press botom "pause Break" but it dont work... well, after this I get mensagem about kernel panic not syncing vfs unable to mount root fs on unknown-block 0 0 proc
07:56<jm_>yes, make sure it can find and load both the kernel and the initrd images
07:56<jm_>I suspect it can't find initrd or you'd get some busybox prompt
07:58<dijz>maybe I run grub-install /dev/sda and not /dev/sda2
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07:58<dijz> jm_ /dev/sda1 is windows
07:59<jm_>dijz: using /dev/sda puts it on MBR
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08:03<dijz>jm_ file /boot/initrd.img- .. is Dec 13 16:56 but /boot/vmlinuz-... is Dec 10 21:01... it is ok?
08:03<jm_>dijz: if they are for the same kernel then yes
08:04<dijz>yestarday i run apt-get upgrade and after rebooting i get this error package linux-image is upgraded
08:04<dijz>so is not the same version
08:04<jm_>take a close look at the filenames
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08:05<dijz>jm_ by $nano file?
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08:06<dijz>filename: initrd.img-2.6.32-5-686
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08:07<jm_>dijz: they are related, just make sure grub config refers to them too and check the size of initrd
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08:10<dijz>jm_ I take a look about /boot/grub/grub.cfg and the mesagems
08:11<dijz>"file not found" reffer to line: set root='(hd0,msdos2)'
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08:12<jm_>dijz: why does it say that?
08:12<dijz>because after it in grub.dfg are "echo ´Loading Linux 2.6.32-5-686 ...´
08:12<dijz>jm_ ??? I dont know...
08:13<jm_>dijz: try changing msdos to a number
08:13<dijz>jm_ are line: search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set 236d266-b....
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08:18<dijz>I change to hd0,1 but ... :( I try find a tecnical support in my city, Brasilia... but is hard
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08:21<jm_>ahh msdos2 is OK, it's the same as sda2 :)
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08:23<dijz>erro became from.. 1: insmod part_msdos OR 2: insmod ext3 OR 3: set root= OR 4: search ...
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08:24<jm_>dijz: try to put an echo before and after each of those to find out the problematic one
08:24<dijz>but I can boot for windows
08:24<dijz>jm_ :) yes
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08:26<sander_m>Hi. Quick question. In Gnome, when I browse to network->workgroup I see a computer called "DESKTOP-TEST". That's a Windows machine. I want to connect to it using rdesktop, but it cannot find it. How can I find the IP address of that computer? I can't find it using nslookup or dig, but Gnome seems to have no trouble finding it.
08:26<jm_>sander_m: try nmblookup
08:27<sander_m>jm_: That worked. Thanks, as usual :-)
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08:29<dijz>jm_ I edited grub.cfg, but it dont take effect
08:30<jm_>dijz: what did you change?
08:30<dijz>teh boot, many lines with echo...
08:30<jm_>dijz: are you sure you are using grub 2?
08:31<jm_>dijz: maybe it's loading grub.cfg from somewhere else
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08:32<dijz>... i look
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08:33<jm_>another thing to try is to load the kernel and initrd manually and then try to boot
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08:36<diederik>hi, anyone else got a problem with the latest upgrade of python2.6?
08:37<diederik>I get an error in the postinstall script
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08:38<jm_>hmm can't say I am 100% sure but I think I saw something about python when upgrading lately
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08:39<diederik>the error msg I get is "Sorry: TypeError: ('compile() expected string without null bytes',)"
08:39<diederik>did you get that error too?
08:39<jm_>doesn't ring a bell
08:40<diederik>what's more annoying, I don't seem able to fix it. Normally installing the package with /testing appended downgrades the packages, but not in this case
08:42<diederik>how can I get the affected packages out of the configure state (from dpkg)?
08:42<diederik>it looks like it doesn't want to downgrade because of that
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08:49<dijz>jm_ the log "file dont found" is from insmod ext3, i change from ext2 to ext3... i go back and the log disaper
08:50<dijz>but, i get the same error: kernel panic not syncing vfs unable to mount root fs on unknown ...
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08:50<dijz>how I can load the kernel and initrd manually and then try to boot?
08:51<jm_>dijz: linux/linux16 and initrd commands
08:51<jm_>boot to boot
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08:52<dijz>from grub prompt?
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08:52<jm_>sorry have to run now, hope you will fix it
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09:31<Dirty_Snipe>can anyone help me? I cannot get bonding to work on my HP server...
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09:32<Dirty_Snipe>I have tried following these instructions but no joy
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09:36<Dirty_Snipe>can anyone help?
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09:36<gruetzkopf>whats your problem?
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09:37<Dirty_Snipe>i cannot get bonding to work
09:37<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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09:38<Dirty_Snipe>gruetzkopf: my server has 2 nics both on netowrk both set to static. but cannot setup bonding to work
09:38<slush>as from what I just read, you don't set your eth's to static
09:38<Dirty_Snipe>dpkg I did post a link to the instructions i was following
09:38<dpkg>Dirty_Snipe: bugger all, i dunno
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09:39<Dirty_Snipe>slush ? so you have no configuration for any of the ethers?
09:39<slush>that's how I read it
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09:39<Dirty_Snipe>thats odd... ive setup bonding on windows before and you have 2 ips then assign primary
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09:40<Dirty_Snipe>primary ip to use that is
09:40<gruetzkopf>gimme your link
09:40<slush>Dirty_Snipe: the primary in this case is the one you set with bond0
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09:41<Dirty_Snipe>slush: so in the /etc/netowrk/interfaces it is blank appart from the bonding configuration?
09:41<slush>Dirty_Snipe: maybe /usr/share/doc/ifenslave-2.6/examples/two_ethernet gives more info for you
09:41<Dirty_Snipe>slush: looking now
09:46<Dirty_Snipe>slush: i do not have any examples folder in ifenslave-2.6
09:47<slush>Dirty_Snipe: are you on lenny or squeeze?
09:47<slush>oh, nvm
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09:51<slush>Dirty_Snipe: aren't there examples in the manpage?
09:51<Guest1092>anyone on #linuxhelp?
09:54<Dirty_Snipe>slush: sorry im on lenny
09:54<Dirty_Snipe>amd64 version
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09:55<Dirty_Snipe>looking at the readme file
09:55<Dirty_Snipe>basic information
09:57<slush>Dirty_Snipe: yes, I figured that. There is still a manpage, tho. You can read it by typing 'man ifenslave' (or maybe 'man ifenslave-2.6')
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10:05<gruetzkopf>try $ aprospos ifenslave
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10:06<Dirty_Snipe>looking at it now
10:09<Dirty_Snipe>soon as i start messing with settings again im gonna loose remote access to this box. Can anyone here help step by step?
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10:12<slush>Dirty_Snipe: you will eventually lose connection, because you are trying to do things with the network devices. If you want to do this, you are best of by physical access.
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10:20<jidm>hi. can i install debian by downoading only the first cd?
10:20<rean>Yes, sure, you can do that.
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10:21<Dirty_Snipe>slush: i will need to install irc client on server then to go do it at the box
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10:21<Dirty_Snipe>brb just got a support call to sort out
10:21<jidm>rean: thanks. i've allways used netinst, but now i need to start an offline install
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10:22<slush>jidm: keep in mind, using only the first cd will give you only the basics
10:22<rean>jidm: It will depends on what you want to install.
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10:23<jidm>i get gnome on it? i could later install the rest
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10:24<rean>jidm: Sure. Gnome is already packed on the first CD. It has the very basic tools to have a good desktop environment.
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10:24<jidm>great. thanks for the help :)
10:25<rean>jidm: Sure, you're welcome ;)
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10:32<jidm>trying out jigdo for downloading the cd. Great tool, a little bit verbose for my taste, but does the job
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10:33<f8l>jidm: You can set what parameters are passed to wget by jigdo. If you set the -q it will be less verbose.
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10:37<jidm>f8l: thanks, good to know for future uses (now i'm on the train)
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10:38<f8l>jidm: `sed -i 's/wgetOpts='\''/wgetOpts='\''-nv /' .jigdo-lite` should do the job.
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10:45<Aleric>from reportbug: A package named 'libpisock9' does not appear to be installed on your system; however, 'libpisock9' contains a file named 'libpisock9'. Do you want to file your report on the package reportbug found?
10:46<Aleric>I think that program is losing it.
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11:24<chris_>kann jemand php, html, css oder C++ ?
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11:25<anwar>I want to start and browse internet - but I connect to another computer through ssh - I remember it was something with ssh X or something which allowed you to run a single application how is that ?
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11:26<gsimmons>dpkg: tell anwar -about sshx
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11:42<anwar>is there a text inteface browser ?
11:43<anwar>web browser
11:43<petemc>w3, links, lynx
11:43<ichdasich>anwar: w3m, links, lynx
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11:54<cthuluh>anwar: elinks!
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12:32<__diego>hi, I'm using vnc a lot (over ssh of course) but its annoying to have all the windows inside that vnc windows, is there any seamless vnc server / client
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12:33<retrospectacus>__diego: you can use ssh -X
12:33<dpkg>You can run X11 apps securely over an ssh connection without <xhost> nor X TCP support. Enable X11Forwarding _on the remote server_ (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) and install xauth (lenny, squeeze) or xbase-clients (etch) on both the client and the server. Then "ssh -X" from the client and run X apps on the remote machine. See also <root x> and <cygwin sshx>.
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12:34<retrospectacus>I do it all the time, it's pretty excellent
12:34<retrospectacus>pasquale: hello, can we help you?
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12:38<__diego>yeah, I could use ssh -X but its not the same ... because I want to "bring" the window
12:38<__diego>lets suppose I open gedit with ssh -X and then I want to use that gedit remotely from another computer ...
12:38<__diego>I would like programs to keep running on the server and use them remotely anywhere
12:39<__diego>now, if you know how to redirect the X for a given PID that might do it
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12:42<__diego>so, I really dont care that much about having seamless mode, just a way to bring one running application in an X to another X , and send it back (I would be ok by typing commands for it, dont care if its not a friendly solution)
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12:45<retrospectacus>I just tried running a x app over sshx plus screen and it does not appear to work as you need
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12:47<jhutchins_lt>I'm running kmail on my desktop, displayed on my netbook over ssh.
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12:47<__diego>I know ... it does not , so ... I just want to be able to bring and send windows to other X
12:48<__diego>over ssh or locally
12:48<__diego>lets suppose you have two X servers running on your same computer
12:49<retrospectacus>jhutchins_lt: but can you keep kmail running and bring it up on e.g. your other notebook, also over sshx
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12:49<__diego>could you send one running program from one to another
12:49<__diego>(same X ... like ... both are gnome / kde)
12:49<__diego>I'm not even mixing clients
12:49<jhutchins_lt>retrospectacus: Ah, no I can't.
12:49<retrospectacus>jhutchins_lt: like screen + sshx
12:50<retrospectacus>that's what he's looking for I believe
12:50<jhutchins_lt>I can run console apps in screen, detach from one, re-attach from another, but I don't know of a way to do it with X apps.
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12:50<__diego>windows remote desktop (for instance) , lets you do that , you can take the windows out and use it as if it was locally
12:50<__diego>thats really nice
12:50<__diego>I dont even care to do it by window ... I just care by program (as many windows the program has)
12:50<jhutchins_lt>Parallels allows that too, VM windows are treated as local windows.
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12:51<__diego>VM ? this is a real computer over VNC, not a virtual one ... but I will search for parallels
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12:51<retrospectacus>parallels is a VM platform
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12:53<jhutchins_lt>__diego: No, parallels is a VM system for OSX.
12:53<retrospectacus>__diego: you may find some useful infos here:
12:54<jhutchins_lt>__diego: I think VNC or rdesktop might do what you want.
12:55<__diego>vnc is not doing it , will take a look at rdesktop and the link above from retrospectacus :) thx
12:55<jhutchins_lt>__diego: Remember there are at least four implementations of VNC.
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13:01<__diego>seems xmove might do the trick
13:01<__diego>looking at it :)
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13:02<amphi>xmove is very old and unmaintained, I believe - dunno if xephyr is any use in this case
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13:04<gob_bluth>hey i moved a debian install (the disks) over to a new machine and it's renaming eth0-3 to eth4-7 ... i tried to update the udev rules but that didn't work, is there a way to force it to use eth0-3 again ?
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13:07<dpkg>udev has the ability to statically rename Ethernet cards based on MAC address since version 0.090. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules (Lenny, Squeeze) or /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules (Etch). If you want the mappings to change, edit the respective file. To apply changes: "udevadm trigger" ("udevtrigger" on Etch) or reload the relevant driver module. See also <forcedeth mac>, <udev>.
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13:57<DFC>hallo an alle
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14:01<Guest1128>hat jemand kurz zeit mir bei nem problem mit nem ftp server
14:02<Guest1128>zu helfen
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14:02<Guest1128>es wäre echt super ich hänge schon seit 3 tagen dran und komm nicht weiter
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14:03<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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14:08<john>I'm trieing to get my headphones to work I'm useing Debian Squeeze testing with kde 4.4.5 and i have reltek audio onboard
14:08<john>8 channels
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14:21<bluenemo>do any of you guys know of an irc chat specificly for computer forensics (not backtrack)?
14:21<dragonfly>sorry bluenemo not offhand
14:22<bluenemo>do you know if there is one at all? searched my xchat program server list thing but there are so many channels :D
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14:23<bluenemo>take a look at that :) google helps (sorry for being a noob)
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14:28<dragonfly>no prob bluenemo if it weren't for noobs I wouldn't be able to be any help at all :)
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14:29<bluenemo>dragonfly, lol :)
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14:33<bluenemo>dragonfly, the only two with a few people are ##forensics on freenode & #debian-forensics @ OFTC. nobody at the one @ undernet.. if you are into forensics too you might want to know..
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14:35<hellyeah>hey hey hey help me
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14:35<hellyeah>i just try to install debian from lusb
14:36<hellyeah>i follow
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14:36<dragonfly>hellyeah, you're already getting some help on freenode -- why come here and ask the same question?
14:36<bluenemo>i recently tried to set up an usb install stick. got totally insane about it :D
14:36<bluenemo>didnt get it to work in the end :(
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14:37<hellyeah>dragonfly: may be i can get quickly help :D
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15:00<hellyeah>csan i get some help here
15:00<retrospectacus>hell yeah
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15:03<hellyeah>retrospectacus: i try to install from usb my computer sony vaio vpcf136fx/b i dont know this information matters or not s download debsan 64 bit image and win32diskimager and i prepare debian installation but in the installation process i pushed load component from cd st gives cd rom was not detected i took same error when preparing usb debian with unetbootin
15:03<hellyeah>pls some help
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15:07<retrospectacus>!usb install
15:07<dpkg>Yes, it is possible to install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see . To download USB stick images, ask me about <install debian>. to prepare from Windows. BIOS can't boot from USB? Use
15:07<retrospectacus>hellyeah, I don't know anything about this. someone else might
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15:18<TheSeparateOne>Well.... Damn. Just discovered that I've had sid in my sources.list. I'm supposedly running squeeze, and I didn't put it in there. Is the best solution really to reinstall testing again? I've got this sneaking suspicion that the sid repo was enabled by default on my install image.
15:19<devil>it will never be default in any installation
15:19<TheSeparateOne>devil, I didn't think it would, but I didn't do anything to change the repo to sid myself.
15:20<devil>i have no idea how it would get there without $user editing it
15:20<TheSeparateOne>devil, could I have accidentally tweaked it in the Synaptic settings? Without specifically changing the squeeze repo to sid, I mean.
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15:21<devil>i dont really know synaptic
15:21<retrospectacus>TheSeparateOne: anything in /etc/apt/apt.conf ?
15:21<TheSeparateOne>No such file.
15:22<TheSeparateOne>I'm fine reinstalling (Installed yesterday), I just want to figure out what happened here.
15:22<retrospectacus>TheSeparateOne, ok , just asking because you can create a testing/unstable mix (/msg dpkg tum) which puts sid sources but sets your default release in that conf file.
15:22<retrospectacus>but I guess you didn't do that
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15:23<TheSeparateOne>retrospectacus, Nope. The only thing I did involving my repos was to enable contrib/non-free, and I added experimetal for a new kernel, since 2.6.32 has problems with my hardware.
15:23<devil>TheSeparateOne: if you have not dist-upgraded yet, no damage was done
15:24<devil>just delete vthe line or comment it with #
15:24<retrospectacus>TheSeparateOne, yeah you don't really *need* to reinstall, unless you are having big problems
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15:25<TheSeparateOne>Interestingly, it had actually replaced the squeeze line... So I just switched that back to squeeze. I've had a couple problems with dependencies, but uninstalling and reinstalling has worked so far... Hopefully nothing system-critical was affected.
15:25<devil>well, sid does not aotomaticaly mean problems :)
15:27<TheSeparateOne>devil, true enough, but I wanted squeeze this time around. :P Is there any way to tell what packages came from the sid repo while it was active? I'd like to figure out what was affected.
15:28<devil>TheSeparateOne: there is some scripts somewhere...
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15:29<devil>i put one in our wiki:
15:29<devil>its german, but code is code :)
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15:31<TheSeparateOne>huh. Well, looks like I'm clean.
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15:31<TheSeparateOne>+1 for catching a problem before it's a problem, I guess.
15:32<devil>and better than reinstalling
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15:32<TheSeparateOne>devil, very true.
15:32<TheSeparateOne>Have to run now, thanks for the assist, all.
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15:33<devil>question is still: how did it get there?
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16:22<theodore>hello everybody. i have a silly (beginners) question, how can i go from one directory to another in debian console?
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16:23<theodore>like cd /user/Desktop ?
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16:23<Torsten_W>if it exist
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16:23<dragonfly>theodore, you probably want cd /home/<user>/Desktop
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16:24<retrospectacus>theodore: your terminal will usually start in your home, that is /home/theodore
16:24<retrospectacus>so you can put "cd Desktop"
16:25<retrospectacus>then "ls" to list your files
16:25<theodore>thank you very much
16:25<theodore>or dir
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16:25<retrospectacus>if you're used to the windows cmd but no one uses that
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16:27<theodore>i don't see the files i 'm looking for with cd /home/theodore#
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16:28<dragonfly>try "ls -a /home/theodore"
16:28<retrospectacus>theodore, how did you get the files
16:28<dragonfly>that will show you everything in there
16:29<theodore>oh got it, i was a root
16:29<dragonfly>retrospectacus, good idea asking how he got them -- however, maybe we should ask this: theodore what files are you looking for
16:29<theodore>now i need to run a script as root, how can i?
16:29<retrospectacus>like if you downloaded them with iceweasel they are probably in ~/Downloads
16:30<retrospectacus>theodore, you can become root with the "su" command or use sudo
16:30<theodore>su -
16:30<theodore>but then i can't see the files i am looking for...
16:30<retrospectacus>oh then cd /home/theodore
16:31<retrospectacus>or cd ~theodore
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16:32<theodore>ok got it. But how can i execute a script as root if they only show up when in user mode?
16:32<dragonfly>I've never experienced a file not being visible to root
16:32<retrospectacus>"they only show up when in user mode" -> not possible. You are somehow confused
16:32<dragonfly>...are you sure you're looking in the same place?
16:33<theodore>let me work this out a bit, thank u very much!
16:33<theodore>ok now i got it!!!
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16:35<retrospectacus>theodore: perhaps we should remind you not to run downloaded scripts as root without knowing exactly what you are doing
16:35<theodore>i 'm carefull man, thanX
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16:36<devil>how does one run a script carefully as root? ;)
16:36<retrospectacus>read it first
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16:36<picca>hello just a question about start-stop-daemon
16:37<theodore>damn, i get a FATAL you need to install the Kernel Source for your running kernel
16:37<picca>I have aprocess started with the --background option
16:37<devil>retrospectacus: good point, if reading includes understanding.
16:37<retrospectacus>theodore: not hard. what's your kernel (run uname -a)
16:37<picca>and I need to send the output of the process into a file
16:37<gsimmons>theodore: What are you trying to do?
16:37<devil>theodore: could you pastebin the script?
16:38<picca>is it possible ?
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16:39<picca>I find nothing about stdout and stderr redirection in the start-stop-daemon manpage
16:40<gsimmons>dpkg: tell theodore -about gspca
16:40<theodore>i have a creative webcam notebook and i 'm trying to get it working
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16:41<theodore>it's a pd1170 model
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16:43<retrospectacus>picca: I believe start-stop-daemon does not handle logging. Your app will have to do this itself
16:44<picca>so I must not use the start-stop-daemon with thi sprogram
16:44<picca>so my question how can I start this program from the init script under another user than root
16:44<picca>I need to start the daemon as tango user
16:44<picca>tango is the user name and gorup
16:44<picca>group sorry
16:46<retrospectacus>picca: run this "grep -A4 start-stop /etc/init.d/*" to see a lot of examples
16:46<retrospectacus>depnding what you have installed, I guess
16:47<picca>I know about the --chuid tango:tango option of start-stop-daemon
16:47<picca>but I really need to redirect the stdin and stdout to a file
16:47<picca>there is not such option in start-stop
16:48<picca>so is there an unix commend to start a command as another user
16:48<picca>sort of su ?
16:48<retrospectacus>well make a wrapper for your program which redirects the program output to a file, then start that with start-stop-daemon
16:49<retrospectacus>start-stop-daemon --user tango
16:49<retrospectacus>start-stop-daemon --user tango .... --exec /path/to/myscript
16:49<theodore>bye guys
16:49<picca>ok I will try this
16:50<retrospectacus>then /path/to/myscript is /path/to/real/program >> /path/to/logfile
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16:50<retrospectacus>I mean, the contents of /path/to/myscript is /path/to/real/program >> /path/to/logfile
16:50<picca>Yes I got the idea :)
16:50<retrospectacus>probably with a 2>&1 on there
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16:50<picca>yes it is better like this I will try
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17:08<xDD>Hi, I have some code using sem_wait/sem_post and it randomly crashes with "Illegal instruction", with this in the log: Dec 14 17:02:46 debian kernel: [ 1444.298005] clone[12501] trap invalid opcode ip:7f0f4deb0a09 sp:7fff2853a0d8 error:0 in[7f0f4de9d000+1e000]
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17:08<xDD>This is the code (it's an assignment)
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17:09<xDD>I can't seem to find anything I'm doing wrong, and when I run it in gdb it doesn't seem to crash
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17:09<xDD>valgrind won't even run it due to non implemented clone() flags
17:09<GENIUS>za pisane na chujdi ezici towariat li :D
17:09<xDD>and piping the output to a file also doesn't show any crashes, so I'm confused
17:09<koko>GENIUS ko staa :)
17:09<Stefan[AwaY]>che az osven chatarnica drug nema da pisha
17:10<retrospectacus>xDD: that's not really a debian question, but try strace?
17:10<@Ganneff>talk in english
17:10<dpkg>The language of #debian is English. We will do our best to help you regardless of your level of English but you might be more comfortable asking for help in your own language. Ask me about your language code for more information, for example /msg dpkg br ; /msg dpkg pt ; /msg dpkg es ; /msg dpkg fr ; /msg dpkg de
17:10<koko>GENIUS adash t kav go darjish tuk bre
17:10<crazyb0y>Stefan[AwaY]: please speak english
17:10<VaLeRi>ei zadrustihte debiana be :D
17:10<Stefan[AwaY]>» Nick: stefan
17:10<Stefan[AwaY]>» Name: Stefan Seefeld
17:10<Stefan[AwaY]>» Hostmask: ~chatzilla@
17:10<Stefan[AwaY]>» Channels: #roundup #xmlroff #gcc #monotone #synopsis
17:10<Stefan[AwaY]>» Server:
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17:10<GENIUS>widia li wednaga talk in english
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17:10<retrospectacus>xDD: you should ask ##c on freenode
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17:12<xDD>retrospectacus: I ran it like 50 times with strace but it didn't crash a single time. I'm going to ask in ##c now.
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17:13<cthuluh>xDD: not sure if ##c will help. who knows? you have ##posix too, though your use non posix features
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17:13<cthuluh>s/use/& of
17:13<xDD>cthuluh: I had to use those for the assignment :(
17:14<cthuluh>don't be sad ;)
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17:14<xDD>I'm not, just a bit confused as to why it's crashing so randomly, and seemingly only on my machine, and only when I run it directly from the terminal as opposed to in gdb or piped to a file
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17:51<antivirys>hi all
17:51<VaLeRi>bye all
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17:54<crazyb0y>i don't remember, does debian has a graphical install choice on boot ?
17:55<gsimmons>crazyb0y: /msg dpkg g-i
17:56<antivirys>aptitude install x-window-system
17:56<crazyb0y>gsimmons: thanks i tell my friend to install debian for first time, he was a ubuntu user =)) and i told him install debian, but didn't remember does it has a graphical install
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17:59<cthuluh>crazyb0y: though the non-graphical installer isn't dreadful at all, tell him to try it ;)
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18:04<crazyb0y>cthuluh: he is a ubuntu user, it's hard to tell him to use debian without graphical install =P
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18:10<Arrowmaster>i thought there was but i always use expert install option which is ncurses based and not X based
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18:14<julia69>hi all
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18:15<R3dFun9u5>howdy peeps
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18:15<qq->ca va ..
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18:25<R3dFun9u5>qq oui et toi ?
18:25<qq-> > #debian-fr
18:25<R3dFun9u5>no thanks
18:25<R3dFun9u5>i m good here
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18:43<theodore>hey guys, how can i get to open nautilus as root?
18:43<R3dFun9u5>sudo ?
18:44<theodore>sudo nautilus?
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18:44<theodore>i 'm not in the sudoers file...
18:45<R3dFun9u5>su then
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18:45<R3dFun9u5>got the root password ?
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18:46<theodore>ok got it, thanX
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18:49<retrospectacus>you could also enter: gksu nautilus
18:49<cthuluh>nautilus as root... :/
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18:52<theodore>i get a " FATAL you need to install the Kernel Source for your running kernel"
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18:53<cthuluh>theodore: what?!? 8)
18:53<R3dFun9u5>trying to compile something ?
18:53<R3dFun9u5>or install ?
18:54<theodore>trying to get my creative webcam notbook working
18:55<theodore>found this guide
18:55<R3dFun9u5>apt-get install <your_kernel_source_pkg>
18:55<R3dFun9u5>now to figure out that pkg...
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18:56<R3dFun9u5>what does 'uname -a' print ?
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18:56<theodore>what's that?
18:56<cthuluh>theodore: you shouldn't do this (downloading and compiling) as root
18:57<cthuluh>theodore: a command you have to type in a shell
18:57<theodore>well i understand
18:57<R3dFun9u5>type "uname -a" w/o the quotes
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18:57<theodore>Linux debian 2.6.26-2-openvz-686 #1 SMP Thu Nov 25 02:12:20 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux
18:57<cthuluh>R3dFun9u5: alternatively you can use ''uname -a'', like that you don't have to explain that the quotes aren't needed ;)
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18:58<gsimmons>dpkg: PD1170
18:58<dpkg>The PD1170 "WebCam Notebook" is a USB <webcam> device from Creative Technology. For support of revision A (USB-ID 041e:401f) and revision B (USB-ID 0572:0041) on Debian systems, ask me about <gspca>.
18:58<gsimmons>(which we told you about earlier)
18:59<theodore>yeah but no luck man...
18:59<theodore>i don't get it...
18:59<R3dFun9u5>cthuluh alternatively you can help theo instead of helping me 8)
19:00<R3dFun9u5>theodore, try "apt-get install linux-source-2.6.26"
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19:00<R3dFun9u5>then give me the output of "ls -l /usr/src/"
19:01<theodore>2 min man...
19:01<R3dFun9u5>or, "ls -l /usr/src/ | grep linux" rather
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19:01<R3dFun9u5>never said there was a hurry
19:02<cthuluh>theodore: so you have a gspca cam?
19:02<gsimmons>R3dFun9u5, theodore: No, there is a pre-built gspca kernel module available for Lenny systems. Compiling gspca should not be necessary.
19:02<R3dFun9u5>56k users are tolerated 8)
19:02<R3dFun9u5>gsimmons, ah, good news
19:03<cthuluh>R3dFun9u5: see? :)
19:03<dpkg>The GSPCA driver provides support for digital cameras and webcams, based on several USB bridge and image sensor chipsets. To install on Lenny: "aptitude install gspca-modules-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,'` && modprobe gspca". This driver is included in mainline Linux kernels as of 2.6.27. Supported devices: . See also <uvcvideo>, <webcam>.
19:03<R3dFun9u5>what is wrong w/ that package theo ?
19:03<theodore>gsimmons i tried that with dpkg and i a fatal
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19:04<R3dFun9u5>cthuluh, so you _had_ given him a hand
19:04<R3dFun9u5>i take back what i said then
19:04*R3dFun9u5 stares @ theodore
19:04<R3dFun9u5>then why not fix that fatal ?
19:04<R3dFun9u5>instead of going through manual compile
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19:05<R3dFun9u5>theo, you tried bungee jumping and it didn't work so you're going for sky diving ?
19:06<theodore>ok well i have to fix this "FATAL: Module gspca not found."
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19:07<theodore>just a newbee man
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19:07<gsimmons>theodore: Did you install the relevant gspca-modules-* package, using the command provided by dpkg above? Use "dpkg -l | grep gspca" to confirm.
19:07<maf>hi everybody
19:08<LordBelial>Hi maf
19:08<maf>I would like to install the new adobe flash player (version 10) from a .tar.gz file.
19:08<maf>I have decompressed the tar.gz file
19:08<R3dFun9u5>theo, that's not an excuse ;)
19:08<R3dFun9u5>theodore, what is the output of "gspca-modules-2.6-openvz-686"
19:09<R3dFun9u5>"apt-get install gspca-modules-2.6-openvz-686"
19:09<R3dFun9u5>my bad
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19:09<maf>but now I have only one file which is named
19:10<theodore>oh who is the bungie jumper now heh?
19:10<maf>what is the next step to install the flashplayer from ?
19:10<LordBelial>maf: OK, take that file and copy it into the plugins folder of your browser, and then restart it... I guess you're using mozilla, is it?
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19:11<theodore>no luck...
19:11<maf>@LordBelial: yes
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19:12<maf>@lordbelial: that's all?
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19:12<theodore>i 'll never get it done...
19:12<R3dFun9u5>theodore, i don't see the output of "apt-get install gspca-modules-2.6-openvz-686" in your pastebin
19:12<R3dFun9u5>wrong link ?
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19:13<theodore>gspca-modules-2.6-openvz-686 is already the newest version.
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19:14<mafya>boa noite galera alguem sabe o canal co linux4
19:14<R3dFun9u5>theodore and "modprobe gspca" ?
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19:15<R3dFun9u5>mafya, bless you...
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19:15<theodore>it gives me nothing
19:16<cthuluh>!br > mafya
19:16<dpkg>> mafya: Este canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
19:16<R3dFun9u5>theodore, no msg at all ?
19:17<mafya>dpkg, obrigado irei treinar
19:17<dpkg>mafya: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
19:17<R3dFun9u5>theo, normal behavior i believe
19:17<theodore>hey!!!!! for some reason my webcam now works on camorama!!!!!!!
19:18<gsimmons>theodore: Hooray, you did it, etc.
19:18<retrospectacus>!congratulate theodore
19:18<dpkg>Hugs & Puppies theodore, you did it!
19:18<theodore>god damn!!!! thank u guys, much appreciated
19:18<R3dFun9u5>i think dpkg and cthuluh and gsimmons
19:18<R3dFun9u5>are the reason
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19:19<theodore>love u guys, thanks for all the help
19:19<R3dFun9u5>if you're interested theo,
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19:19<R3dFun9u5>apt-get install, aptitude and the like
19:19<cthuluh>mafya: de nada. (dpkg é um robô. ;) )
19:19<theodore>in cheese it doesn't work though
19:19<R3dFun9u5>will install packages for your system
19:20<LordBelial>maf: so, did it worked for you?
19:20<R3dFun9u5>modprobe loads it
19:20<R3dFun9u5>when it's a module
19:20<R3dFun9u5>theo, compatibility issue then
19:21<R3dFun9u5>well it was good chattin' with y'all
19:21<R3dFun9u5>i m out
19:21<R3dFun9u5>have a good one
19:21<cthuluh>!bye R3dFun9u5
19:21<dpkg>Cya, R3dFun9u5
19:22<theodore>bye man
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19:32<theodore>thank u all, have a good nite
19:33<retrospectacus>you too
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19:33<chomwitt>is there a danger if i update a program while i run it ? (i mean to refernce a page that wont be there due to the update)
19:33<theodore>better not to
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19:34<chomwitt>what about gnome or kde?
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19:34<chomwitt>or basic libraries?
19:34<abrotman>it's fine to upgrade it
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19:36<chomwitt>as i think it there shoul be a problem ,cause maybe only a part of the executable is in main memory. So if the disk drive executable changes to the new version ,maybe the program ceases to work
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19:40<retrospectacus>chomwitt, you are right, there may be a problem.
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19:44<cthuluh>chomwitt: if the loader has opened the dynamic library, then even if the file on the disk is deleted, the library is still in memory
19:46<cthuluh>the only problem that could happen is at the very beginning of the loader. and even there I trust in the glibc developers to carefull use opened fds
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19:49<chomwitt>maybe the executable moves to the swap on the disk before executed so its irrelevant what happens to the disk file.
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19:51<retrospectacus>it goes into memory. It might be swapped out later
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19:53<cthuluh>there's no particular reason for it to go to swap space
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19:54<cthuluh>just try this: sleep 1000 > test_file & sleep 1; rm test_file; ls -l /proc/$!/fd/*
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19:54<kingchipo>Hi i could use
19:55<kingchipo>some help with mounting my ipod :)
19:55<cthuluh>dpkg: tell kingchipo -about ipod
19:57<kingchipo>yeah im aware :(
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19:57<kingchipo>its a permission problem im not sure were gtkpod doesent recognize..
19:57<kingchipo>when mounted i get
19:58<kingchipo>usbmuxd_get_device_list: error opening socket!
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19:59<retrospectacus>iirc there is a good instructions on the debian wiki to setup the iphone
19:59<retrospectacus>which I used successfully
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20:00<retrospectacus>plugging in my iphone opens rhythmbox, photo importer, file browser and a new eth2 over 3G
20:01*retrospectacus going home
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20:03<kingchipo>yes i understand all of this
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21:05<maniac>i have installed debian 507 on my laptop
21:06<maniac>how to run wireless
21:06<maniac>i think the driver is not supported by default
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21:10<abrotman>maniac: which device is it?
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21:12<abrotman>judd: versions firmware-ipw2x00 --release lenny
21:12<judd>Package firmware-ipw2x00 on i386 -- lenny/non-free: 0.14+lenny2
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21:12<abrotman>!tell maniac about non-free
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21:15<maniac>i dont understand this bot
21:16<abrotman>because the bot speaks in korean?
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21:17<maniac>i will download this package > firmware-ipw2x00
21:18<maniac>but now i need support to install it
21:19<maniac>mm help
21:19<abrotman>maniac: dpkg -i whatever.deb
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21:21<ssfdre38>where can i find xml2-config file
21:22<abrotman>!tell ssfdre38 about apt-file
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21:23<maniac>dpkg: requested operation requires superuser privilege
21:23<dpkg>maniac: I don't know, could you explain it?
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21:24<abrotman>maniac: so become root
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21:27<maniac>Unpacking firmware-ipw2x00 (from firmware-ipw2x00_0.14+lenny2_all.deb) ...
21:27<maniac>Setting up firmware-ipw2x00 (0.14+lenny2) ...
21:28<abrotman>you don't have to show us :)
21:28<maniac>is it rdy
21:28<maniac>now what ? :)))
21:28<abrotman>reboot the computer, setup your wireless
21:29*amphi decides to remain silent on the matter of modprobe
21:30*dvs has a bad experience with another type of "probe". ;-)
21:31<amphi>today? at the UFO base?
21:31<dvs>something like that
21:32<maniac>i still have X on computers at the top :>>
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21:42<amphi>maniac: can you not configure the interface from that icon or whatever it is?
21:42<maniac>maybe i can not
21:42<maniac>now there is no X on the computers at the top
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21:42<maniac>but i still can not connect to wireless networks
21:43<maniac>in network settings > connections i se wireless connection
21:43<maniac>and in properties > network name (ESSID) i see networks around me
21:43<maniac>buuut ..
21:45<maniac>there nothing in wireless networks
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21:57<maniac>help ?
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22:01<maniac>i need to get some sleep, in my country its 5 o'clock morning, good night
22:02<maniac>and thx at least for the driver =)
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22:40<Hydroxide>ah, cool
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23:20<arox>"Unable to locate package". I may have mistyped, what was the command again? Sorry.
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23:22<sney>arox: to do what?
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23:24<arox>I'm trying to update from Xubuntu to Ubuntu Netbook and it didn't work, so Dabian told me to attempt to remove xubuntu.
23:24<arox>And my IRC closed so I tried to do the command from memory and I think I did it wrong.
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23:26<amphi>arox: #ubuntu on freenode may be of use
23:28<arox>... how did I end up here. Haha, my mistake.
23:29<amphi>some ubuntu clients used to default to coming here, at one stage, if I recall correctly
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23:42<sney>amphi: they still do, if you load xchat and just hit 'next' or 'connect' to accept the default
23:42<sney>instead of seeing the thing that says "ubuntu" and going "hmm, maybe I should click on that"
23:43<amphi>sney: brilliant
23:43<amphi>wtf don't the ubuntists change the damn default?
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23:52<tweek>ubuntu is better then debian
23:52<tweek>for a workstation
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23:53<dragonfly>tweek, based on what?
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23:54<tweek>based on user experience
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23:55<dragonfly>tweek, I'm not trying to start an argument here or disagree with you in any way, but what are some of the reasons you feel that way? what works better or differently in a way that you like it better?
23:55<barbanegra>my user experience says that debian is better than ubuntu in a workstation
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23:57<tweek>driver compatability, user-friendliness, less configuration needed, easier to setup, etc, more of an 'out of the box' OS
23:57<tweek>where debian on the other hand...
23:57<dragonfly>my experience is that debian is a better workstation - but Ubuntu is probably a bit "better" (read easier) for someone who is not familiar with or all that interested in linux -- Although, I do like the netbook remix on my Eee but that may be just because it is/was easy to set up and get going and I don't do anything too intensive with my Eee (that's not what a netbook is for)
23:58<tweek>i use both at home and have for about 4-5 yrs
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23:59<tweek>my debian box always somehow seems to require more attention, it seems less stable to me
23:59<dragonfly>the difference I've seen in drivers (as well as things like Sun Java and Adobe Flash) is simply that Ubuntu has more repos available by default where in Debian you generally have to add additional ones by hand...user friendliness (for the most part) is mostly a function of the GUI
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