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---Logopened Wed Dec 22 00:00:20 2010
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00:06<morphy>hi any one there>?
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00:06<morphy>can any one help me out of one issu?
00:07<morphy>any one please urgent!!
00:09<gsimmons>morphy: Just go ahead and describe your problem.
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00:13<amitz>sensor bus/driver is not found by sensors-detect despite my motherboard is on the list of supported sensoring by my kernel. Probably something to do with "ACPI resources conflicts with ACPI regions". Somewhat obscure, will hunt for more information before going back here.
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01:20<flaccid>are there any rooms on this server for cloud computing and debian?
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01:24<jester45>flaccid, what about cloud computing, thats a very generic term
01:24<flaccid>debian support in public and private clouds
01:24<flaccid>"debian in cloud computing" . i woudn't say cloud computing is a generic team, its a broad term
01:26<jester45>well you might find something if you do a /list but i did not see anything
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01:31<flaccid>am i allowed to create a channel?
01:32<nevyn>cloud computing is a meaningless term.
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01:32<cmot>sort of cloudy
01:32<nevyn>much like green has become.
01:33<Glass_Echidna>Hi, I'm looking for some help building a debian package. Actually I need to build two, one that uses the standard, ./configure, make, sudo make install, and the other which uses qmake, sudo make install. However before I start on the Qt app, I'm having trouble with the first app. For some reason "dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot" is building a .deb that only includes documentation (no binaries). Does anyone have any ideas?
01:33<nevyn>do you have fakeroot installed?
01:34*nevyn assumes yes. but hey doesn't hurt to ask.
01:34<cmot>Glass_Echidna: (as an aside: use "debuild" from the devscripts package, it's more convenient)
01:34<flaccid>so how do i create a channel here or there a better chan to ask this question?
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01:35<jester45>flaccid, i think you can just /join #newchannel to create one
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01:35<Glass_Echidna>cmot, okay I'll give debuild a go.
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01:35<cmot>flaccid: for the debian related stuff
01:35<cmot>Glass_Echidna: I think this won't solve your problem, it was just a thought
01:36<Glass_Echidna>cmot, yeah I figured it was just a suggestion. Thought I might as well try though.
01:37<Glass_Echidna>debuild actually fails for me as I don't have gpg installed (I haven't been signing my packages).
01:37<cmot>Glass_Echidna: for your original question: how did you create your source package? dh_make is a good starting point for the "configure; make; make install" case
01:38<cmot>Glass_Echidna: debuild -us -uc if you don't want to sign. (or, in the long term better, create a key and start signing the packages...)
01:39<flaccid>flaccid: REGISTER irc:// Debian in cloud computing
01:39<flaccid>[5:39pm] ChanServ: You cannot register this type of channel.
01:39<Glass_Echidna>Yeah I ran dh_make then modified control, copyright, changelog and I deleted emacs and the optional documentation files for source and the package.
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01:39<flaccid>can't say this is outlined on the wiki.
01:39<cmot>flaccid: you should probably ask in #debian-devel if there's nobody here right now who knows more. I'm not an IRC op
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01:40<jester45>flaccid, id ask around in #oftc this channel isnt really irc support
01:40<cmot>flaccid: you're right, I just had a look, the wiki is silent on this...
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01:41<jm_>Glass_Echidna: does make install put files where dpkg-buildpackage expects them?
01:41<jm_>Glass_Echidna: perhaps you shall read the new maintainers guide or somesuch
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01:43<flaccid>ok i'm all registered now. seems my identify delayed or something
01:43<flaccid>if anyone is interested in cloud, #debian-cloud. thanks for the help
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01:44<Glass_Echidna>jm_: Yeah I did read through the documentation, that's how I managed to get this far. But I think the problem might somehow be to do with my Makefile. Probably not. My project was built via automake and the output file is specified as "bin_PROGRAMS = heimdall" in Is there something I need to do that will allow the debian build scripts to install to another path?
01:44<jm_>Glass_Echidna: this page explains how to test where it puts the files
01:45<Glass_Echidna>jm_: Thanks I'll take a look.
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01:48<jm_>Glass_Echidna: heimdal is already in debian, is it not?
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01:50<Glass_Echidna>jm_: No it's not. There is a heimdal, which is unrelated. Heimdall is my tool to flash firmware to Samsung Galaxy S devices.
01:52<jm_>Glass_Echidna: ahh "ll" :)
01:52<Glass_Echidna>jm_: Haha, yeah you probably had to read over that a few times.
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01:54<jm_>I am currently tempted by an android phone too, a shame about battery life
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01:54<Glass_Echidna>Ah, why I'm here. Running "dpkg-depcheck -d ./configure" reports a lot of stuff that most definitely are not dependencies (sound and graphics related libraries), but it's also missing the only real dependency, libusb-1.0 (>= 1.0.8). The missing libusb dependency could be caused by the same issue that's causing the binary not to be packaged. However I have no idea where all those other libs are comming in.
01:55<Glass_Echidna>jm_: I get ~48 hours with normal usage on my Galaxy S. I can stretch is out to ~90 hours if I barely touch it.
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01:57<jm_>Glass_Echidna: yeah my current crap phone lasts > 300h on standby without touching it, of course its display is way smaller
01:59<Glass_Echidna>jm_: Yeah this is my first smart phone so I totally understand the battery life discrepancy between "old" phones and smart-phones. I've managed alright, in saying that I work from home so haven't really been caught out without a charger.
01:59<jm_>Glass_Echidna: that's strange, it only looks for files that configure opens
02:00<jm_>Glass_Echidna: perhaps it's being pulled in by other libs etc.
02:00<Glass_Echidna>jm_: Yeah I'm a bit lost as to exactly what is happening. Presumably I've just done something wrong/unusual.
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02:08<dominick>Hi! I'm trying to make a grub rescue USB. I installed grub-rescue-pc, but I've no idea how to create a grub usb rescue from it! Please help!
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02:09<jm_>man grub-install
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02:11<dominick>jm_, thanks, i'll test my USB and come back!
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02:15<dominick>jm_, err.. that was easy! thanks!
02:15<jm_>dominick: no worries
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02:28<Glass_Echidna>I'm trying to wade through the dpkg helper perl scripts but it's a bit difficult when I'm not entirely certain where to look. Does anyone know the exact syntax used when the dpkg-buildpackage calls make install. Specifying a DESTDIR does work with my Makefile so I'm still not certain what is goign on.
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02:32<jm_>Glass_Echidna: you mean debhelper?
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02:37<Glass_Echidna>As far as I can tell when you call dpkg-buildpackage, and you're using the default rules file (which I am), dh_install, or a similar perl script is called. At some stage make install is being called. I'm assuming that make install is meant to redirect the built binary towards a particular location so that it can be packaged.
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02:38<jm_>right, that is debhelper
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02:40<jm_>Glass_Echidna: man dh_auto_install
02:40<jm_>apparently the default is to put it in debian/<pkg>
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02:43<Glass_Echidna>hmm, yeah debian/heimdall does exists. For some reason it only contains the documentation though i.e. debian/heimdall/usr/share/doc/heimdall/*, but no debian/heimdall/usr/local/bin/heimdall.
02:43<jm_>please don't use /usr/local/bin with packages
02:44<jm_>did it call dh_auto_install?
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02:44<jm_>what did you put in debian/rules? remember, no pasting here
02:45<Glass_Echidna>I haven't touched debian/rules, it's just the default.
02:45<jm_>there is no default :)
02:46<Glass_Echidna>Hmm, I might have been looking at old documentation. I was under the impression that if your project just used ./configure, make, make install then no changes were required.
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02:47<jm_>but you still need to prepare debian/rules file and other stuff in the debian dir
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02:48<Glass_Echidna>dh_make did create a rules file for me, but it just calls dh and that is all it does.
02:49<jm_>right, so that's the defaults
02:49<jm_>put export DH_VERBOSE=1 before that line
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02:51<Glass_Echidna>Also in regards to the /usr/local/bin issue, how do you recommend as an alternative?
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02:52<Glass_Echidna>Now I get output: dpkg-buildpackage: error: dpkg-source -b heimdall gave error exit status 2
02:52<jm_>just put it in /usr/bin
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02:53<jm_>try calling it like so: debuild -uc -us -b
02:53<jm_>this won't create a source package
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02:54<Glass_Echidna>Hmm, that worked. It automatically output the binary to debian/heimdall/usr/bin.
02:55<jm_>you can check the package it built
02:56<jm_>dpkg -c foo.deb
02:56<dpkg>drwxr-xr-x root/root 2989 2005-10-06 12:46:31 ./usr/share/foo.deb/pr0n/hiltons.jpeg
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02:59<Glass_Echidna>Yeah the package is good to go also, even the dependencies are correct. Thanks. However what changed that made that work?
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03:00<jm_>I guess calling debuild with -b - must be some issue with source pkg
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03:01<Glass_Echidna>Thanks :) Now for the hard one... qmake :(
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03:02<Glass_Echidna>For this I assume I actually need to write a custom rules file?
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03:19<jm_>Glass_Echidna: I think dh is flexible enough to be used for that too
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03:20<jm_>Glass_Echidna: one android question - is there an app that can toggle between 2G and 3G when needed (i.e. for data connections)?
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03:23<dena>hheuummmm long time for upgrade
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03:23<mjr>I don't know about android, but generally umts chipsets will do that transparently (though they can also be forced not to if that's causing problems, and there may be an app for _that_)
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03:25<jm_>I noticed there are many andorid apps for this subject, but they don't give details what they can do - some are only a shortcut to the settings screen
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03:36<Glass_Echidna>jm_: Sorry about the delayed response, went for a walk. Yeah Android itself comes with a settings application that allows you to toggle between 2G and 3G. You can also disable background data, disable roaming data etc. and if the Android settings don't allow it then there's almost certainly an app for it.
03:37<jm_>Glass_Echidna: ok thanks
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04:18<OsirisX>As-Salamu `Alaykum tono
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04:42<s4br3>Hi, I am trying to play with KDE, jackd and some of the synth software available in Sid. However, while the synths work, I cannot hear any sound from Youtube or other apps like alien-arena etc. Is there any updated web page for how to set this up. Googling around has only given me too old pages. Thanks for any help!
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04:51<s4br3>I found this -
04:51<s4br3>which is kinda cool
04:53<dpkg>PulseAudio (formerly Polypaudio) is a cross-platform network sound server, intended as a drop-in replacement for <ESD>. Packaged for Debian since Etch, read /usr/share/doc/pulseaudio/README.Debian after installation for configuration recommendations. #pulseaudio on
04:53<jm_>apparently flash can use that if it exists so it may help with youtube
04:56<s4br3>Thanks. This is getting complex.
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04:57<jm_>and sound mixing is enabled by default in alsa, but it doesn't work when apps use "hw" devices directly or somesuch
04:58<s4br3>I now note that Pulseaudio is a Gnome-based Soundserver... Hmmm. More modules. Modulomania
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05:06<lancelot_of>hi all
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05:06<lancelot_of>how to change booted packages in dependency based boot sequence?
05:07<lancelot_of>i.e. the equivalent of the old update-rc.d -f UNWANTED remove?
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05:11<jm_>lancelot_of: the same?
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05:12<OsirisX>is there anyway to make 1 screen VT console and 1 screen X windows in a dual monitor set-up?
05:13<lancelot_of>jm_, so the answer "update-rc.d: using dependency based boot sequencing" is not a problem?
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05:17<jm_>lancelot_of: I think that's just informational message
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06:20<axon>how can i watch youtube videos with debian? adobe online offers special packagets for ubuntu?
06:22<r0tkid>u copy in [..]/firefox/plugins/
06:23<r0tkid>type about:plugins in browser ..there u see if it works
06:23<cthuluh>html5vive les webmails...
06:23<cthuluh>oops, copy/paste error
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06:29<r0tkid>do u know when first stable squeeze will be released ? :)
06:30<jm_>when bugs are fixed
06:32<r0tkid>k ty
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06:34<chron>is it possible to do an offline debootstrap? i need a scriptable solution to install debian offline
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06:35<chron>or if there are any images that are official, that would be good
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06:51<arkonten>When my laptop returns from sleep it seems to mess up the xorg keyboard map sometime.. for instance, UP ARROW becomes PRINT SCREEN, other arrow keys, END, INSERT, DEL, PAGE UP/DOWN etc. does other things... all else is ok. My consoles are working normally though
06:51<arkonten>what could this problem arise from?
06:52<arkonten>it never happened on lenny, now I'm on squeeze
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06:53<jm_>maybe try comparing the output of 'xmodmap -pk' before and after
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06:53<arkonten>jm_: ok, will try
06:54<arkonten>let's say they are different, then what?
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06:55<arkonten>what's the command for reloading the keymap? (I've tried changing it using the KDE control center, but that does nothing)
06:55<jm_>xmodmap -pke
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06:56<jm_>save that, then reload it with xmodmap
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07:02<arkonten>jm_: didn't work
07:02<jm_>arkonten: how exactly did you do it?
07:02<arkonten>xmodmap -pke > something; xmodmap something
07:02<jm_>and you are sure the keymap was OK when you used -pke?
07:03<arkonten>yeah, i checked
07:03<jm_>and if you verify -pk output in both cases, is it different?
07:03<arkonten>I just checked with xev, and it seems like the keycodes are different from what they used to be
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07:05<arkonten>well, I haven't yet checked ane xmodmap output from when my keyboard is working correctly because then I have to reboot
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07:06<jm_>really? and what does evtest report for your keyboard?
07:06<arkonten>sorry, but what is evtest?
07:07<jm_>a tool to see what kernel reports in /dev/input/evdev*
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07:08<arkonten>will apt-get...
07:10<jm_>it's in the josytick package IIRC
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07:12<arkonten>jm_: it had its own package
07:13<jm_>arkonten: ahh i see it in squeeze yes, nice
07:14<arkonten>any way, LEFT ARROW gives Code 105 with evdev, keycode 119 with xev, and my keymap is expecting 100
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07:14<arkonten>which base is evtest reporting the codes in?
07:14<jm_>you really need to compare all these between working and non-working code of the same tool, not cross-tool
07:15<arkonten>but then what?
07:16<jm_>well then you'll at least know where things change
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07:17<arkonten>I guess I'll file a bug report
07:17<arkonten>is there any other information you recommend me to include in a report?
07:17<jm_>for now no
07:18<jm_>(other than general stuff like X logfile etc.)
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07:19<arkonten>ok. thanks a lot for your help! will reboot now and start investigating
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07:33<hellmar>Hi all
07:34<hellmar>Wait is rm -rf /* ?
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07:37<amitz>it's something that you MUST NOT type.
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07:41<hellmar>translator translates your very interesting phrase
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07:44<arkonten>jm_: I've checked output from xev, xmodmap, evtest now, and it's only xmodmap that differs
07:44<jm_>arkonten: did you try restoring it?
07:44<arkonten>yeah, restarting xorg did the the trick
07:45<jm_>you shouldn't need to restart it, just xmodmap foo
07:46<arkonten>yeah, I guess I should save the sane map and make a hood that re-loads it when my computer wakes up
07:47<arkonten>but obviously something is wrong, and squeeze introduced it some how
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07:47<jm_>yeah try searching if it's already reported
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07:47<zxd>how does debian initramfs-tools know what udev rules to copy
07:47<zxd>I want to make custom ones
07:47<arkonten>jm_: will do, otherwise I'll file a new bug report. again, thanks for the help!
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07:48<jm_>arkonten: no worries
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07:49<Unt182>hi, can someone help me?
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07:50<Swat->Unt182: depends on your problem, is it a personal issue? :)
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07:50<Unt182>Swat-, i have Debian Lenny on my notebok and i like to put my resolution in 1368z768
07:50<Unt182>how i can make it?
07:51<Unt182>my graphic card is sis 671/771 :)
07:51<Swat->Unt182: there are several ways, but first find out if you have a /etc/xorg.conf
07:51<Unt182>i like to know how set up my graphic card for a correct resolution
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07:52<Unt182>Swat-, i have the /etc/X11/xorg.conf
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07:55<Swat->Unt182: Can you paste the whole file here:
07:55<Unt182>ok wait a second :D
07:56<jm_>check if xrandr shows the desired resolution
07:57<Unt182>how i can check it?
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07:57<Unt182>what is xrandr?
07:57<jm_>run it
07:57<jm_>in a terminal
07:57<Unt182>i made it
07:57<Unt182>only 800x600, 1024x768
07:58<Unt182>not 1368x768
07:58<jm_>and you are sure your monitor supports it?
07:58<Unt182>yes, on ubuntu i had this resolution (1368x768)
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08:00<Swat->jm_: his xorg.conf looks rather tiny; don't see any driver specified, nor modes.
08:00<Unt182>i know
08:00<Unt182>i need to install a driver for sis 671/771 and then configure the xorg.cong...i need sismedia too i think
08:01<cthuluh>try X -configure :1, to get a template xorg.conf, then see if there are improvements that can be done
08:01<jm_>Swat-: that is normal
08:01<jm_>Unt182: check if xorg itself does that for you
08:01<jm_>!which driver
08:01<dpkg>To work out what module you need to load for your PCI card, try pasting the output from "lspci -n" into . To determine the driver currently associated with an Ethernet interface, ask me about <which ethernet module>. To show the video driver used by your X server: grep Load.*mod.*driv /var/log/Xorg.0.log . See also <oot>, <nodriver>, <judd-hardware>.
08:01<jm_>that grep
08:02<Unt182>i don't understand
08:02<jm_>grep Load.*mod.*driv /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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08:03<Unt182>antonio@debian:/etc/X11$ grep Load.*mod.*driv /var/log/Xorg.0.log
08:03<Unt182>(II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers//
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08:03<Unt182>i only see this
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08:04<jm_>right so vesa driver - do you have sis driver installed?
08:04<Unt182>i don't know where i can download they!
08:04<jm_>dpkg -l xserver-xorg-video-sis
08:04<dpkg>No packages found matching xserver-xorg-video-sis
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08:05<jm_>if you are using debian 5.0 then it doesn't look like it supports SiS671/771
08:06<Unt182>squeeze support sis drivers?
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08:08<jm_>well at least its man page also doesn't list 671/771
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08:09<Unt182> i can solve it? i must still to continue to use vesa drivers for my laptop?
08:09<jm_>do you still have ubuntu installed?
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08:10<jm_>maybe try ubuntu live cd and check which driver it uses
08:10<Unt182>i've formatted for learn debian :D
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08:11<Unt182>ah ok :(
08:11<Unt182>thank you!
08:12<jm_>you can also find driver version in X logfile
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08:13<Unt182>see you this evening, i must run at work! bye!
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08:38<Lillymon>I'm trying to optimize a PNG file using OptiPNG, but bash is being a complete moron and saying "bash: !? trap.png" "moe 14158 bike_shorts dakimakura oto_maho seifuku stick_poster trap yasu.png": event not found". Is there any way to tell bash to stop being an idiot?
08:39<Lillymon>I can have ! and ? in file names, but not DO anything with them because bash is stupid.
08:40<amitz>welcome to "" and \.
08:40<Lillymon>All files are in double quotes already, I assume the latter is what I need.
08:41<Lillymon>Yay, now I know bash for "Just process the damn command!".
08:43<Lillymon>Or not. What the hell do I do with the backslash?
08:43<LotR>single quotes are better if you don't want any shell expansions
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08:44<LotR>\? is a literal question mark
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08:45<Lillymon>Single quotes seem to get it. So using double quotes is basically asking bash to screw up. I'll stop doing that.
08:46<LotR>maybe you should learn some (ba)sh instead of claiming it is stupid
08:47<Lillymon>I could, but then I'd probably still call it stupid design rather than just stupid, as I did with Plasma Activities.
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08:56<gil-galad>wow, that was an angry Lillymoon :)
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09:12<TIBS01>whats the package to
09:12<TIBS01>to install htmlparse
09:12<TIBS01>and make
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09:45<Zathras>Hi. I have some issues with Apache2 cgi-bin mod_perl on Lenny. Things used to work fine. Have not used the Perl based scripts for a while did some apt-get update/upgrade on some occasions and now the perl scripts fail
09:45<Zathras>had some issues with it long time ago. Then it was all about perl-handlers
09:45<Zathras>now I get 500 errors but there seems to be nothing in logs
09:46<Zathras>any pointers on how to tackle this?
09:46<Zathras>perl-status works ok
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09:52<mt1mma>Why is Debian not as polished as Ubuntu?
09:53<Zathras>because it is not a commercial product and has a focus on stability instead of looks and features?
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09:53<Zathras>hmm. That makes good conversation....
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09:55*devil has no popcorn in da house
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10:24<acu>hey guys - how can I talk with someone working on debian installer - the graphics from Lenny are perfect - with that Red black and whice Debian GNU/Linux - I thing that should be kept - the new one with the rocket does not convey professionalism - and having simply Debian on top - is too undescriptive
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10:27<erseitz>hey jungs wie gehts
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10:32<devil>erm, sorry
10:32<erez>no worries
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11:20<LuisV>why in the "monitor preferences window" I got 2 monitor instead of 1?
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12:08<bluenemo>hi guys. i have a few sound problems and when i boot into gnome i got an error message after login 'hda intel does not work falling back to...' sadly the message disappeared before i could finish reading. where do i have to look for it? it was a grey text box in the top center of my screen
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12:09<bluenemo>(got squeeze with gnome on a thinkpad t60p)
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12:11<sney>bluenemo: dmesg, possibly
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12:12<bluenemo>sney, negative. i am just running around the /var/log directory and cat | grep all of them for the error..
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12:14<jester45>bluenemo, im sure it doesnt help you with your sound but you can search files by grep searchterm file no need to pipe with cat
12:14<bluenemo>yeah your right :) old habbit ;)
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12:15<bluenemo>once you typed in a command a million times, its hard to get off it..
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12:15<jester45>bluenemo, what sound card do you have? and is the driver loaded for it
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12:18<bluenemo>jester45, cat /proc/asound/cards 0 [Intel]: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel modprobe says there is stuff loaded for hda-intel..
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12:19<bluenemo>lspci: 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation N10/ICH 7 Family High Definition Audio Controller (rev 02)
12:19<jhutchins_lt>bluenemo: You can even grep -r searchterm /var/log/*
12:20<jhutchins_lt>the messages displayed at boot aren't even logged to the bootlog though. Only way I know to catch them is to try the Pause key.
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12:20<bluenemo_>sorry guys just flew out of the inet..
12:20<jhutchins_lt>bluenemo: You can even grep -r searchterm /var/log/*
12:20<jhutchins_lt>the messages displayed at boot aren't even logged to the bootlog though. Only way I know to catch them is to try the Pause key.
12:21<jhutchins_lt>Particularly the hard disk errors that get displayed - very frustrating to try to track those down.
12:21<jhutchins_lt>bluenemo_: Do you have pulseaudio?
12:21<bluenemo_>didnt got the message @ boot, it was a graphical, grey text box showing itself to me after i loged into gnome.. i wanted to screenshot but to late :)
12:21<bluenemo_>i think alsa is running here..
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12:22<bluenemo_>for hard disk errors: check out smartctl or to make it more easy there is now gtk-smartctl :)
12:22<bluenemo_>with hdd i can help you ;)
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12:23<bluenemo_>the thing is my sound actually is working, but i was phoning via ekiga with my partner yesterday and when i watch a youtube song i cant phone.. and the other way around, if i phone, i cant wach youtube music..
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12:23<bluenemo_>so i thought i pay attention to the error message i get since 2 month :D
12:24<bluenemo_>but it appears quite randomly..
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12:25<blackhatdeviant>hi i needed some help with install?
12:25<bluenemo_>oh i forgot, @ jhutchins_lt
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12:25<bluenemo_>blackhatdeviant, please give us as much information about your problem as you have
12:27<blackhatdeviant>my usual machine went out on me and im using a ancient IBM; it wont boot from usb or a cd, and im wondering if i can use virtual box to install debian to one of my spare hard drives
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12:27<jhutchins_lt>bluenemo_: Now that may be something that pulseaudio would help with - multitasking the sound. Ekiga's audio support is rather primitive, I'm not surprized it can't share nicely.
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12:28<bluenemo_>blackhatdeviant, there are a number of options. i'd prefer this one: unmount your hard drive from your ibm machine (physicly, with a screw driver). then put it into another machine that can 'eat' those kind of hdd. install debian. put it back.
12:29<bluenemo_>if that is not possible you can build a install usb stick (but that is quite hard.. i failed several times)
12:30<blackhatdeviant>i actually had thought about that. that would probably be my easiest option atm.
12:30<bluenemo_>i'd build out the hdd.
12:30<bluenemo_>i have an ibm a30 here that is old has hell.. it actually wont be able to install, so i build the pata hdd into my ibm t42 and installed, put the hdd back, done :)
12:31<bluenemo_>its also nice to have one of those ide/sata to usb adapters. they cost around 5$
12:31<blackhatdeviant>that might be a good idea, ill have to see if someone in the house would let me use their comps haha
12:32<bluenemo_>jhutchins_lt, yeah i thought that the problem might be multitasking sound.. alsa cant do that? i like alsa quite a lot :)
12:32<blackhatdeviant>yeah i got this intellistation m pro and its quite a bother heh
12:32<bluenemo_>blackhatdeviant, if you are the only computer noob in your house, just tell them that no 0 or 1 on there computers will change. that mostly gives confidence :)
12:32<blackhatdeviant>alright well i appriciate the input much :)
12:33<bluenemo_>np. you are welcome
12:33<jhutchins_lt>It's not clear how well alsa does it, that's why pulseaudio exists and oss is still around, both are intended to address alsa's perceived shortcomings. I gather that a lot of it is up to the program trying to use the sound system.
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12:34<bluenemo_>jhutchins_lt, hm ok. then i'll throw out alsa and get pulse.. how do i do this? apt-get purge alsa && apt-get install pulse?
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12:34<bluenemo_>or do you know of a nice little howto to configure it? ( i can google myself, just if you have sth on the hadn)
12:34<jhutchins_lt>bluenemo_: pulseaudio requires alsa if I understand it (which I don't).
12:34<bluenemo_>lol ok :)
12:34<bluenemo_>ok i'll go shower and then google :) thank you very much for your help
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12:40<blackhatdeviant>alright goin to execute that plan now, thank you again for your help; and kudos for being here to help, people like you are what encourages the growth of Linux :) :)
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12:47<dpkg>VATTENE VIA!
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12:48<Father0fNine>is LTSP still in Debian?
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12:51<jhutchins_lt>Father0fNine: Yes.
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12:53<Father0fNine>Hmm... interesting. Is /var/lib/dpkg/available still active?
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12:58<jhutchins_lt>Dunno, but aptitude search ltsp will show available packages.
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13:01<Father0fNine>Yea I did that -- second. Still old school enough to try searching "available" instead of using aptitude.
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13:08<Aleric>Whats the workaround again that debian changed the default for java from ipv4 to ipv6? One of my boxes turns out to open listen ports on ipv6 .. my ISP doesn't even support ipv6 :/
13:10<rpetre>Aleric: you probably mean /proc/sys/net/ipv6/bindv6only
13:10<rpetre>it's been reverted afaik
13:11<Aleric>That's the bug I am refering to.
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13:11<rpetre>whenever java doesn't work, i flip that sysctl bit and it works, i always forget which is which :)
13:12<Aleric>But it was reverted? Maybe I can just upgrade the box and the problem will go away then?
13:12<Aleric>/etc/sysctl.d/bindv6only.conf doesn't even exist on it :/
13:12<rpetre>it's in an /etc/sysctl.d file anyway
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13:13<Aleric>/etc/sysctl.d is empty
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13:14<Aleric>>cat /proc/sys/net/ipv6/bindv6only
13:15<rpetre>0 is the "java works" setting, iirc
13:16<rpetre>so maybe it's not this that's causing your problems
13:17<Aleric>I ran around 9 Dec 'azureus' on that box, because my main PC was broken and I wanted to watch a movie anyway.... Just now I found out that my firewall logs where flooded with connection attempts to port 16880 .. and tracked that down to a tcp and udp listen port being open that box (java still running, while I closed azureus WEEKS ago) :/
13:17<Aleric>It only listened on ipv6 though (and the incoming connections where ipv4 :/)
13:18<Aleric>I don't usually run azureus there - but it's annoying that if I want to, it doesn't work :/
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13:33<hever>Hej guys, I've such entries in my syslog: "/USR/SBIN/CRON[16280]: (root) CMD ([ -x /usr/lib/sysstat/sa1 ] && { [ -r "$DEFAULT" ] && . "$DEFAULT" ; [ "$ENABLED" = "true" ] && exec /usr/lib/sysstat/sa1 $SA1_OPTIONS 1 1 ; })" But for no user is such an command in any crontab setup. Any idea where they come from?
13:34<rpetre>hever: /etc/cron.d/sysstat
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13:35<hever>rpetre, aah thank you!
13:35<rpetre>sorry, that particular one seems to be from /etc/cron.daily/sysstat
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13:36<rpetre>crond follows both users' crontabs and the system crontab
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13:36<rpetre>which includes all things in /etc/cron.*
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13:40<igor_>hi! bräuchte hilfe bei iptables. skype kann nicht connecten...iptables läuft auf dem router der wiederrum mittels pppoe mitm inet verbunden ist
13:41<igor_>letzter Versuch sah so aus:
13:41<igor_> $IPTABLES -A FORWARD -t filter -i $PPP -s 0/0 -p tcp --dport 23399 -j ACCEPT
13:41<igor_> $IPTABLES -A FORWARD -t filter -i $PPP -s 0/0 -p udp --dport 23399 -j ACCEPT
13:41<igor_> $IPTABLES -A PREROUTING -t nat -i $PPP -p tcp --dport 23399 -j DNAT --to-destination
13:41<igor_> $IPTABLES -A PREROUTING -t nat -i $PPP -p udp --dport 23399 -j DNAT --to-destination
13:43<retrospectacus>igor_: English. Pastebin
13:44<igor_>oh sry
13:44<Xeross>Is it normal for rsyslogd to be using 128MB ram ?
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13:46<igor_>i was trying to install a iptables-firewall. i can view http-sites, but skype would be blocked and i dont no why...
13:46<Xeross>hmm looking at the wrong column
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13:48<igor_>@Xeross: my rsyslog needs only 10mb.. its the standard-debian-installation(lenny) w/o any change
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13:51<Xeross>igor_: I guess virt is something totally different, well I'm sure it is
13:51<Xeross>Just wondering why the things I have running are consuming all my RAM memory
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13:53<igor_>Xeross_: but it really use it or only cached ?
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13:53<Xeross>igor_: Good question, think I should figure out how to get my swap working in OpenVZ
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13:56<igor_>how can i search for users in irc? or better is it possible to find where (server/channel) people are?
13:56<Sidun>what is debian GNU/linux?
13:56<Sidun>igor_ cock fathersucke
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13:57<igor_>oky Sidun if you think that works....
13:57<Sidun>try with google, don't know if it works ;-)
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14:04<sq6www>jest tu ktoś z polski
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14:08<OsirisX>what is a good graphical ftp client on Debian - something like smartFTP
14:10<retrospectacus>filezilla is good
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14:10<retrospectacus>or FireFTP plugin on firefox
14:10<retrospectacus>sorry I don't know what smartFTP is
14:10<jester45>i like gftp-gtk
14:11<jester45>looks kinda like smartftp, idk if it has the same options
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14:11<retrospectacus>I usually just use the command line or Gnome Nautilus "connect to server" thing
14:11<Xeross>Why do I get swapon: /dev/sdb2: Invalid argument when doing swapon -a
14:12<retrospectacus>Xeross: probably an invalid argument
14:12<Xeross>retrospectacus: Yeah but why is it an invalid argument
14:13<OsirisX>thanks guys
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14:14<jester45>Xanbreon, try swapon /dev/sdb2 (the -a is to enable all swap listed in /etc/fstab)
14:14<jester45>so when you use swapon -a you dont give it an argument it just looks into your fstab
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14:15<jester45>so... -a + add /dev/sdb2 to fstab or swapon /dev/sdb2
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14:15<retrospectacus>Xeross: is /dev/sdb2 have a swapFS on it?
14:16<Xeross>retrospectacus: I set the type as swap, don't recall having to do anything else
14:16<Xeross>hmm mkswap -_-'
14:16<Xeross>Hmm I'm stupid
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14:18<retrospectacus>jester45 is right, u need "swapon -a" Plus swap in fstab, OR "swapon /dev/sdb2"
14:18<Xanbreon>You tabed the wrong person ;]
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14:21<wakemaster39>hello all, wondering if anyone could help me with an issue using exim4-daemon-heavy
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14:55<agony>I have install Debian from dvd and I have problem with software centre I can't find the install button and when I click on source list it does't open why?
14:56<agony>I have install squeeze version
14:57<agony>Does it have bugs with software centre?
14:57<retrospectacus>most of us use the command line tools
14:58<Gathond>what .. you mean there is a GUI for it? :)
14:58<retrospectacus>aptitude update && aptitude install <thing> etc. :)
15:00<agony>I can't install programs from terminal
15:00<agony>I open the source.list and everything is close with this #
15:02<agony>I think something is wrong with the source.list file
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15:04<agony>the program software centre is open but I can only see the button more info and not install button
15:07<SLot>debhelper, linux-image ?
15:07<SLot>dpkg, linux-image ?
15:07<dpkg>SLot: are you smoking crack?
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15:08<SLot>how do you search iowait problem in linux-image the etch ?
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15:08<SLot>how do i search iowait problem in linux-image in etch ?
15:08<SLot>sorry my bad english
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15:10<SLot>hi. i have problem with iowait that crashs performance in my linux 2.6.18 running in debian etch
15:11<SLot>how can I search bugs report about this problem ?
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15:16<agony>μια χαρα
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15:18<agony>if the aptitude is not working what is the most likely problem?
15:18<rpgdude>im having trouble getting pulseaudio to work with my ati hdmi
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15:18<rpgdude>im using the free driver
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15:21<Torsten_W>why are you crying?
15:23<agony>where are the debian guys to help?
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15:26<agony>what are your opinions about ubuntu selling software from software center?
15:28<f0rk>agony: good for them
15:28<OsirisX>agony: honestly not bothered- a freeware alternative will be available
15:29<agony>is it possible to be the same and for debian to sell software?
15:29<rpetre>debian can't sell software since debian is not a company
15:30<OsirisX>agony: anything is possible - but it would require a lot of changes in debian's policy and structure
15:30<johnsu01>rpetre: that's not true, nonprofits can sell things
15:30<johnsu01>I don't think debian selling proprietary software is a good idea though
15:30<OsirisX>agony: even changes in philosophy
15:30<rpetre>johnsu01: technically yeah, however i don't think that's compatible with debian's social contract
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15:32<rpetre>and definitely not to dfsg
15:32<agony>in my opinion it is wrong because they don't respect free software and the people who made them
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15:33<rpetre>agony: please don't troll here, this is a support channel
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15:33<OsirisX>agony: that argument doesn't even make sense
15:33<dpkg>#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
15:34<OsirisX>agony: if you own the rights to some software - no one can sell it without your permission
15:34<agony>ok sorry
15:34<OsirisX>let me rephrase that - no one should sell it without your express permission
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15:39<rpgdude>anyway use pulseaudio with ati hdmi?
15:39<OsirisX>sorry rpgdude: don't know - no hdmi on my Thinkpas T41
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15:43<acu>how do you boot and access a headless system ?
15:43<OsirisX>acu: telnet, ssh, serial port console .....
15:46<acu>OsirisX: how do boot it to begin with use a usb - or a live system ?
15:46<rpgdude>im gonna try a reboot
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15:46<OsirisX>acu: I don't understand the question - you want to know how to reboot a headless system?
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15:47<acu>OsirisX: I want to install it first :)
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15:49<OsirisX>acu: well you could create a live usb or live cd on a normal system and then plug it in and boot on your headless system
15:50<OsirisX>but you still need access to the system - and if you've got that, might as well connect a keyboard and monitor and install normally
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16:10<OsirisX>anyone know how to get get multi-line text entry in empathy?
16:10<OsirisX>right now my whole window expands in the x-axis if the line I am typing grows too long
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16:32<wakemaster39> anyone around who could help with an exim4 heavy issue?
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16:37<retrospectacus>wakemaster39: just ask your question
16:37<retrospectacus>!tell wakemaster39 -about ask
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16:40<wakemaster39>my problem is a clean install of exim4-daemon-heavy. Running /etc/init.d/exim4 restart I get an error saying "Starting MTA:sh: getcwd() failed: No such file or directory" and no idea how or where to look to fix this
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16:44<jhutchins>Also helps to hang around for a while, especially in slow channels.
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16:46<znq>thanks for some feedback
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16:51<guevac>new to xchat
16:54<guevac>good bye.
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16:58<retrospectacus>znq: this is, of course, useless without the actual command you ran
16:58<retrospectacus>znq: please also pastebin "apt-cache policy <stuff you are trying to install>" and your sources.list
16:59<znq>retrospectacus: ok
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17:00<znq>this is the sources list
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17:01<znq>this is the full apt-get line
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17:04<saulo_>> Hello all! I have eeepc-acpi-scripts instaled, but only some keys works here. I've tested manually the scripts and works for sound, for example, but my keys don't... Somebody can help me to debug what's happening?
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17:05<retrospectacus>znq: how about apt-get install apache2 libapache2-mod-php5 php5-mysql libapr1
17:06<retrospectacus>not sure why you have all those dependencys and duplicates in there
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17:07<znq>yes there does appear to be a lot I am following a howto that was the line perahps I should ask the author
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17:08<znq>its to do with virtualbox on a seamless lenny
17:08<adri>comeme el turnip
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17:09<adri>eeeeeeeeeee ay alguien?
17:09<retrospectacus>znq: well the command I put should get all that stuff
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17:10<retrospectacus>don't forget to apt-get update first of course
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17:10<znq>so its the sources list then? I have a mimmal debian lenny
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17:11<retrospectacus>znq, well the sources list looks ok, assuming has all their stuff in order
17:12<retrospectacus>it just never hurts to be up to date
17:12<retrospectacus>and it often hurts to not be :)
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17:12<znq>I always do the apt-get update
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17:13<retrospectacus>znq what are you trying to do? Did the apt-get install I said wrk?
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17:14<znq>I am sure it will but what about the other stuff in the howto? does it or will it make a big diffrence
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17:15<znq>well i will give it a go
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17:16<retrospectacus>it should bring in the rest automatically
17:16<znq>ok i have done the line you suggested and had no problem
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17:18<saulo_>How can I debug acpi keys?
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17:21<znq>after the install i gave the same command and it seems there are unmet deps
17:22<pipeep>Hey, I've been considering switching upstream to debian from ubuntu (perhaps once squeeze stabilizes) and I was wondering if there is an officially supported PAE kernel, or if not, how well 64bit works
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17:23<znq>from line 29 to 35 its a matter of getting those deps?
17:23<znq>could try them one at a time
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17:26<retrospectacus>znq: looks like you have mixed backports and non. You may try installing everything from backports, that is with apt-get -t lenny-backports install ...
17:26<Tremolo>pipeep: I haven't had any problems with 64-bit Squeeze.
17:27<pipeep>Tremolo, thank you
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17:28<pipeep>Another question, I understand sid is unstable, but is it still stable enough for day-to-day usage? I don't want my computer breaking every day, but I wouldn't mind some minor issues popping up every two weeks or so.
17:29<pipeep>And is it easy enough to switch from unstable to testing, or from testing to stable?
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17:30<Tremolo>It's easy to go from testing to stable, not so much the other way.
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17:30<ansgar>pipeep: unstable is mostly usable, but there will be issues as some time. I would recommend testing if you feel stable is too old (it has less issues most of the time).
17:31<pipeep>Tremolo, that's odd, I would think it's the other way around
17:31<Tremolo>You could run a mixed system with apt pinning if you want a few packages from Sid without going all-out.
17:31<Tremolo>Sorry, I meant unstable.
17:32<ansgar>pipeep: Downgrading is not supported, it often works okay for individual packages, but I would not expect downgrading the entire installation to work.
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17:33<newb>I have some ACPi scripts to my netbook, to enable keys, but some keys works, others don't. But all scripts works if used manually. I want a way to debug them. Somebody could help me?:
17:34<pipeep>One last question. I'm interested in gnome 3, and so I'm wondering if, in March or whenever it's expected to come out, do you expect it to be available in debian within a month or two?
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17:35<pipeep>(I'm sure their will be unofficial ways of doing it the day it comes out)
17:35<znq>thanks i did that the strange thing is that when I tried to install apache2.2-bin: i get but those two depenancies are installed ?
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17:37<znq> here is the proof
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17:37<newb>,versions eeepc-acpi-scripts
17:37<judd>Package eeepc-acpi-scripts on i386 -- lenny: 1.0.4; squeeze: 1.1.10; sid: 1.1.11
17:39<jhutchins_lt>pipeep: 60 will release with gnome 2.3
17:40<jhutchins_lt>pipeep: sid/unstable isn't a release, it's a staging pool for packages going into the next testing release.
17:40<pipeep>jhutchins_lt, you mean gnome 2.32?
17:40<retrospectacus>znq, you should be able to get those newer versions from backports
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17:40<jhutchins_lt>pipeep: testing (currently squeeze) is the first stage where there's an actual release bundle.
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17:41<retrospectacus>,versions libaprutil1
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17:41<judd>Package libaprutil1 on i386 -- etch: 1.2.7+dfsg-2+etch3; etch-security: 1.2.7+dfsg-2+etch3; lenny: 1.2.12+dfsg-8+lenny5; lenny-security: 1.2.12+dfsg-8+lenny5; lenny-backports: 1.3.9+dfsg-5~bpo50+1; sid: 1.3.9+dfsg-5; squeeze: 1.3.9+dfsg-5
17:41<pipeep>jhutchins_lt, so you can't just install sid?
17:41<jhutchins_lt>pipeep: Says gnome 2.30
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17:41<pipeep>gnome 2.30 != gnome 3, gnome 3 == gnome 2.32 +
17:41<jhutchins_lt>pipeep: You can, and some people run it, but they know they're going to get new packages that break things - sometimes seriously, and often not fixed for days or weeks.
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17:42<retrospectacus>znq, i.e. sudo apt-get -t lenny-backports install libaprutil1 libssl0.9.8
17:42<jhutchins_lt>pipeep: So why don't they call it gnome 3.xx?
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17:43<kop>pipeep: You know about backports and volatile to get newer packages for stable?
17:43<pipeep>jhutchins_lt, beats me, but I do know that gnome 2.30 was originally intended to be gnome 3, but it got pushed back, twice
17:43<pipeep>kop, nope!
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17:43<dpkg> (formerly is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read to enable and use. See also <bdo key> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo kernel> <bdo bugs> <bdo pinning> <volatile>.
17:43<dpkg>Debian Volatile is a project that aims at keeping the <stable> and <oldstable> distributions up to date for fast moving packages such as virus scanners, spam scanners and firmware downloaders. An example line for your lenny sources.list is: deb lenny/volatile main contrib non-free See also <squeeze volatile> <volatile mirrors>.
17:45<kop>pipeep: The downside to backports is you don't get the same level of security support as stable, but that's true of testing as well. The other downside is that you can't get new "everything". See "/msg dpkg sns".
17:45<pipeep>I'm actually fairly new to linux, I used to use OS X about a year and a half ago
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17:46<kop>pipeep: "Big" stuff, like desktop managers or X itself, don't generally get into backports.
17:46<retrospectacus>znq, you do have something odd happening, it should try to get the newest from backports by defauly. What is in /etc/apt/apt.conf ?
17:46<kop>pipeep: But I like stable because my computer's always there when I need it.
17:46<jhutchins_lt>Debian is somewhat unique in that it releases based on quality rather than schedule, and that the unstable pool is available to the public. Some people confuse this with a new release bundle.
17:47<pipeep>jhutchins, that's kinda why I'm interested in debian, that and being annoyed with unity
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17:48<pipeep>I'm also interested in rolling releases
17:49<amakusa>hello, I'm running sid and I added a new hard drive with windows on it but I can't get grub to add an entry for it, any ideas?
17:49<jhutchins_lt>If you need your computer to be available, I recommend stable. If you're interested in testing, you can install it as a boot option. That way you can update it even if it breaks.
17:49<jhutchins_lt>pipeep: Currently there are problems with older Intel mobile graphics.
17:49<znq>thanks this line worked sudo apt-get -t lenny-backports install libaprutil1 libssl0.9.8
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17:50<newb>Why xev utility do not detected some pressed keys?
17:50<jhutchins_lt>newb: What keys?
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17:50<znq>I even have a preferences file in apt Package: *
17:50<znq>Pin: release a=lenny-backports
17:50<znq>Pin-Priority: 200
17:51<otzi>isn't there a netinst for testing?
17:51<jhutchins_lt>otzi: Sure is.
17:51<jhutchins_lt>otzi: Just grabbed one yesterday.
17:51<otzi>where? this page only has stable:
17:51<pipeep>well, it still might be a while before I make the jump, switching means a lot of install work for me, and I don't know if I could easily go without my computer for a week
17:52<pipeep>But thanks for the advice!
17:52<otzi>Oh I think I found it :)
17:53<znq>i have also installed apache2-suexec-custom But if i try to install apache2-suexec what happens is the first install is removed hence the confilct
17:53<pipeep>I don't even like rebooting my computer :-P (43 days of uptime)
17:53<jhutchins_lt>otzi: You found it before I did.
17:53<amakusa>does anyone know how to get grub to detect a recently added windows hard drive
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17:54<dpkg>[grub] GNU GRUB (GRand Unified Bootloader) 0.9x, aka GRUB Legacy. A powerful boot loader which can boot many OSes and understands many filesystems. To install: "aptitude install grub grub-doc" ("aptitude install grub-legacy grub-legacy-doc" for Squeeze). To reinstall, ask me about <fixmbr>. To migrate from LILO, ask about <lilo->grub>. See also <grub errors>, <grub2>, <supergrub>.
17:54<znq>retrospectacus: thanks for your help
17:54<jhutchins_lt>amakusa: update-grub should see it.
17:55<znq>its 10.54 almost time for bed early for some
17:55<retrospectacus>zng, you're welcome. Have a good night :)
17:55<amakusa>jhutchins_lt, I tried that but it doesn't
17:56<jhutchins_lt>amakusa: architecture/release?
17:56<znq>well i got everything installed accept one of the conficlts and I cannot force a confilct
17:56<amakusa>amd64 sid
17:56<jhutchins_lt>amakusa: Does fdisk -l see the drive.
17:56<devil>amakusa: run os-prober (if you have grub2)
17:56<jhutchins_lt>amakusa: Oh.
17:56<amakusa>devil, yes
17:56<devil>amakusa: that should add it.
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17:56<amakusa>jhutchins_lt, yes it does as /dev/sdb
17:57<znq>devil: are you the devil from what was sidux
17:57<znq>my god
17:57<devil>which is now aptosid
17:57<ompaul>no it's devil
17:57<znq>yes but no chat
17:57<znq>where is strawberry trat
17:58<devil>she is gone.
17:58<znq>what dead
17:58<devil>but we are OT
17:58<znq>ok sorry
17:58<devil>she left.
17:58<znq>she got a new boy friend
17:59<znq>sorry a husband
17:59<znq>ok this is OT
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18:00<amakusa>devil, that took care of it, thanks a lot
18:00<amakusa>jhutchins_lt, thank you also
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18:01<znq>what is the diffrence between apache2-suexec and apache2-suexec-custom and why the conflict?
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18:01<jhutchins_lt>znq: There is #debian-offtopic where you are quite welcome to continue.
18:02<znq>znq: I am only saying what the apt-get line has ouput
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18:03<retrospectacus>znq: you may consult "apt-cache show apache2-suexec apache2-suexec-custom"
18:03<devil>apt-cache show apache2-suexec is sufficient and explainsit
18:04<newb>jhutchins_lt: special keyboard keys. Like enable/disable touchpad, wireless, sound and others. Some of this keys (like sleep key) works, others xev do not detects...
18:05<devil>newb: a graphical way you could try is keytouch. works fine for years for me.
18:05<newb>devil: worked for me only in keys who xev detects (or I've done something wrong)
18:05<jhutchins_lt>newb: Ah - those often don't generate keyboard scancodes, they interface differently. There is a hotkeys package that will enable some of them,
18:06<devil>newb: i have different experience, whic might not be true for you. i was amazed it worked, where xev did not.
18:06<newb>jhutchins_lt: Installed, I need restart the netbook?
18:07<jhutchins_lt>newb: I had to run the program manually (could have done a startup script) so I could specify which keyboard I needed, no restart needed.
18:07<newb>devil: I will try again then. Do you know where I can find eeepc keyboard for it?
18:07<jhutchins_lt>newb: I could have scripted it.
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18:08<devil>newb: sorry, no, i skipped eeepc and got a real netbook ;)
18:08<newb>devil: ok ^^
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18:10<znq>retrospectacus: thanks
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18:27<newb>devil: keytouch still do not detecting my keys :_(
18:28<newb>jhutchins_lt: hotkeys do not have my eeepc keyboard compatible :_(
18:28<jhutchins_lt>newb: That's too bad. THere are pages dedicated to linux and debian on eeepc's.
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18:39<newb>jhutchins_lt: I found here an irc channel to eeepc. They told me now to compile a kernel module. how can I compile only a module?
18:39<newb>Without compile the full kernel
18:39<dpkg>module-assistant is a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages - from Debian module source packages - and install them. "aptitude install module-assistant". See usage examples at . Log files from successful (and unsuccessful!) builds can be found in /var/cache/modass/
18:41<jhutchins_lt>newb: Also be sure to look at the eeepc resources specific to debian, Sometimes helpful advice from other distros can be harmful.
18:41<dpkg>The Eee PC (aka RM ASUS Minibook) is a <netbook> designed by ASUS. Linux models are supplied with <Xandros> which is not supported in #debian, join #eeepc on for support. To install Debian, see for installation and configuration details. See also <atl2>, <atl1c>. Mailing list: #debian-eeepc on
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18:45<newb>jhutchins_lt: thanks! Installed, but I'm unable to find the module. m-a detects the souce of my running kernel?
18:46<jhutchins_lt>newb: More reading!
18:46<jhutchins_lt>newb: Again, verify that you're using a Debian solution.
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18:55<newb>ok :)
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19:18<drayakir>Hello all. I have a question. Per the instructions found at, specifically, doing the mv /etc/resolv.conf /etc/resolv.conf.eth0
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19:19<drayakir>Naturally, this made me unable to connect using my ethernet cable. I tried reversing the command, and I tried restoring the settings using resolv.conf.backup (I figured this might be a good idea)
19:20<drayakir>However, to no avail. My computer now flatly refuses to see the LAN cable.
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19:20<drayakir>Funny thing is, ifconfig shows that eth0 is up and running. What am I doing wrong?
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19:21<kenyon>drayakir: does your computer get its IP address from DHCP?
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19:22<kenyon>drayakir: try ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0
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19:22<drayakir>ifdown: interface eth0 not configured
19:23<kenyon>drayakir: dhclient will recreate resolv.conf when it gets DHCP information
19:24<kenyon>drayakir: as long as you haven't changed anything in /etc/network/interfaces, you could just reboot and everything should return to normal
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19:25<drayakir>Thanks. Let me check if I did. Right now I'm googling the error message.
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19:30<kenyon>drayakir: make sure eth0 is in /etc/network/interfaces. also I think "interface not configured" happens when you manually bring down the interface (not with ifdown) and then try to use ifdown
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19:31<drayakir>That's what happened. For some reason eth0 was not defined in 'interfaces,' and I entered: "iface eth0 inet dhcp" /n "allow-hotplug eth0" /n "allow hotplug eth1"
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19:32<drayakir>Guess I should've backed that one up, huh...
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19:43<pinnokio>HELLO PEOPLE
19:44<pinnokio>I AM NEW USER]
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20:07<sisk>How do you switch the default sound card now that there's no alsaconf or asoundconf?
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20:11<one_of_us>howdy; does anyone here use the hardened debian building instructions from the wiki? Just wondering if it's possible to compile the entire system with -PIE and relro (not just one pkg)
20:12<dondelelcaro>sisk: same way you always did, by editing /etc/asound.conf or ~/.asoundrc
20:13<dondelelcaro>sisk: see for example.
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22:18<megaf>Good night
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23:54<Glass_Echidna>Hmm, that's not good, did I just publicly chat with NickServ?
23:55<petemc>not here, anyway
23:57<Glass_Echidna>okay, that's good. I don't normally use this IRC client and I didn't realise I was typing the identify message in this channel.
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