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#debian IRC Logs for 2010-12-26

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00:02<jester45>BlueG, check your apache conf for differences between remote and local
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01:15<samantha-->is there a way to speed up writing inode tables on a huge drive with mkfs?
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02:20<juping>ls
02:21<hanhanjack>……
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02:22<hanhanjack>系统卡 ……
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02:22<juping>i find debian hard to make the DNS process under PPPoe network..
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02:29<dominick>Hi! How do I know the list of packages in an ISO file, like here: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-cd/
02:30<gsimmons>dominick: See http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/list-cd/
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02:31<dominick>gsimmons, thanks. I see that CD1 does not have gnome. How do I get a testing ISO which has gnome to start with?
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02:35<dominick>I don't think CD-1 in testing has gnome or any GUI. Is there a separate version which has a GUI?
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02:47<samantha-->is there a way to speed up writing inode tables on a huge drive with mkfs?
02:48<samantha-->there isn't a separate version with a gui on cd1. there are only additional cds/dvds. the installer will ask you to scan those addl cds/dvds during install
02:48<samantha-->you also have the option of downloading the stuff you don't have on cd/dvd
02:49<fossiiil>samantha--: sorry, why would anyone want to speed up writing inode tables? :-)
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02:53<samantha-->fossiiil, cuz i've been waiting for almost four hours for it to finish?
02:54<samantha-->and i'd like to, you know ... use the drive?
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02:59<JoshuaXiong>lol
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03:25<TIBS01>ello
03:25<TIBS01>someone help me
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03:26<TIBS01>whats the package name for htmlparse
03:26<TIBS01>in aptitude
03:26<TIBS01>appently when my users compile eggdrop
03:26<TIBS01>it says it aint installed
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03:30<devil>can we see the actual error (in a pastebin)?
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03:39<TIBS01>the email
03:39<TIBS01>is
03:39<TIBS01>Good it looks I have a problem with the package htmlparse that says that he does not find it
03:39<TIBS01> Tcl mistake in file xxxx.conf
03:39<TIBS01> Cannot find package htmlparse
03:39<TIBS01> Regards
03:39<TIBS01>...
03:39<ompaul>TIBS01: install eggdrop yourself apt-get install eggdrop and then tell em it is installed and should not be compiled
03:39<devil>from that, i guess, he needs
03:39<devil>from that, i guess, he needs tcllib
03:40<TIBS01>downloading
03:40<TIBS01>cheers ppl
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03:42<fraudpedia>Hi
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03:52<pebcak>moin
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04:02<bluenemo>merry xmas. do you know if ata.wiki.kernel.org has been down for a longer time? i cant reach it at the moment..
04:03<ompaul>bluenemo: this helps http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/ and it works for me atm
04:04<bluenemo>ompaul, you can reach ata.wiki.kernel.org?
04:04<ompaul>bluenemo: yes
04:04<bluenemo>hm you link says its not just down for me..?
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04:04<bluenemo>It's not just you! http://ata.wiki.kernel.org looks down from here.
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04:05<bluenemo>wth it works with firefox.. not with empiphany..
04:05<bluenemo>lol :D
04:06<bluenemo>ah now it works with empiphany.. strange. but thanks for the link
04:06<ompaul>bluenemo: and that site reported it down - maybe an internet route is flapping because the linux kernel helps wikileaks run ;-)
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04:07<bluenemo>lol.. was misstaken, empiphany still doesnt work for it. thats something new even for me xD
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04:56<knoppix_>hey
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05:07<Alyosha>hi
05:07<Alyosha>is anyone here?
05:07<fossiiil>yes
05:07<Alyosha>nice:)
05:07<Alyosha>i have one problem
05:07<Alyosha>with mysql on debian
05:08<Alyosha>i installed phpmyadmin and it connects ok
05:08<Alyosha>but when i try to install phpbb
05:08<Alyosha>when i have to put information about mysql..user..pass and stuff
05:08<Alyosha>i get back error
05:08<Alyosha>Can't connect to MySQL server on 'IP' (4)
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05:10<Alyosha>anyone?
05:10<Alyosha>:D
05:10<Alyosha>i searched google for a day now and no succes
05:10<Alyosha>:/
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05:12<petemc>Alyosha: where are you telling it to connect to mysql?
05:13<Alyosha>when i go to phpmyadmin
05:13<Alyosha>i connect with no problem
05:13<Alyosha>when i want to install phpbb
05:13<Alyosha>i got error
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05:13<petemc>yes, you said that
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05:15<Alyosha>petemc in installation for phpbb you have one step when you put in your information about mysql
05:15<Alyosha>host user pass and databasse
05:15<Alyosha>and i can't go on from here
05:16<petemc>if it wasnt clear, im asking you what information you supplied for that step
05:17<petemc>specifically, the host
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05:17<Alyosha>i entered ip of server
05:17<Alyosha>username root password and databese phpbb witch i created
05:17<petemc>mysql is probably not listening on the ip, use 127.0.0.1
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05:18<Alyosha>omg
05:18<Alyosha>it works
05:18<Alyosha>:D
05:18<Alyosha>why is that?
05:18<Alyosha>cuz when i had some hosting somewhere i entered ip and it worked ok
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05:19<Alyosha>petemc tnx a lot:D
05:19<petemc>np
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06:09<enegue>Всем доброго дня!!!
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06:17<ro>привет, русские значит тоже есть)
06:17<mbruins>!ru
06:17<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net. or use English here.
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06:32<s_i_m>hi ppl. Is there a way instead of saying "release a=stable" in apt.preferences
06:32<s_i_m>oops
06:32<s_i_m>i mea, is there a way instead of saying "release a=stable" in apt.preferences to mention lenny there?
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06:33<s_i_m>f**k this keyboard
06:34<s_i_m>it seems there was a way, but I cannot see it now in man apt_preferemces
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06:38<devil> Pin: release n=lenny ahould work
06:38<devil>should
06:39<babilen>s_i_m: What are you trying to do?
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06:40<s_i_m>babilen, soon there will be a release of squeeze, but this machine will remain at lenny for a while. So I am preparint for that.
06:40<babilen>s_i_m: Just make sure you use "lenny" in your sources.list -- no need for pinning
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06:41<s_i_m>babilen, what do you know about my setup to do any assumptions like that? ;)
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06:41<s_i_m>btw, thank devil, i will try it now.
06:41<s_i_m>*s
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06:42<babilen>s_i_m: If you insist on having multiple releases in your sources.list you could also add 'APT::Default-Release "lenny";' to /etc/apt/apt.conf
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06:42<babilen>s_i_m: I know nothing about your setup and therefore assume a standard Lenny install
06:43<s_i_m>babilen, never assume. just answer the precise question :)
06:44<babilen>s_i_m: Hence my question what you are trying to do ... But there is no need to discuss this further as you have all the information you need right now.
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06:54<s_i_m>devil, "n" seems to exist only in squeeze.
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06:56<devil>s_i_m: sorry, no idea, running unstable forever here. my servers have only stable release in sources.list
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06:57<devil>s_i_m: the manpage also has: Pin: release a=stable, v=5.0
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06:58<s_i_m>devil, yes. my point was that I want it to point to the precise Codename directly, but not to the generic stable.
06:58<s_i_m>ah, you mean version
06:58<s_i_m>let me try
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07:07<dominick>Hi! I understand that to create a swap file, we must first create a file that is as large as the swap we wish to use. How do I create such a file?
07:07<MeglaW>kjkj
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07:11<ompaul>dominick: take some free space about *2 times the amount of ram you have fdisk -- do it with a real hard drive
07:11<ompaul>dominick: fdisk is the comman
07:11<dominick>ompaul, can't. I've exhausted my logical drives!
07:11<ompaul>dominick: add a hard drive or else give up one of your logical drives to be extended
07:12<dominick>ompaul, or create a swap file. I've been through this although not in the channel.
07:12<ompaul>dominick: you need somewhere to put that swap file ergo you need some disk space
07:13<dominick>ompaul, yeah, I have disk space for that!
07:13<ompaul>so use fdisk
07:13<s_i_m>devil, "Pin: release a=stable, v=5.0.*, o=Debian" seems to be enough for my purposes. Thanks!
07:13<dominick>thanks for the help ompaul!
07:13<ompaul>dominick: create a swap partition and add it into your /etc/fstab
07:13*ompaul wonders how people create systems without swap
07:14*dominick wonders why people think too much? He had removed a HDD which had swap on it!
07:15<ompaul>so you need to either give up space you have to make new swap space
07:15<dominick>it's temporary ompaul, I can't repartition my drive when I get my HDD back.
07:15<ompaul>or add a disk
07:15<ompaul>dominick: run with swapoff
07:15<ompaul>then no swap needed
07:16<dominick>ompaul, I tried that. It's slowed down the Servlet Container!
07:16<ompaul>dominick: can you give up any of the existing space?
07:17<dominick>ompaul, repartitioning for a couple of days? I don't think so. I'd rather have a swap file and swapon my partition when I get my HDD back the day after tomm.
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07:18<pebcak>dd if=/dev/zero of=yourdamnfile bs=512 count=wellyoullgetthere
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07:18<pebcak>and then swap on?
07:18<dominick>pebcak, hmm! Wait. I'll try creating the file!
07:18<ompaul>it ain't great but it could help
07:19<ompaul>dominick: do you have any more ram you could throw at that box for the two days
07:19<dominick>ompaul, I don't intend to turn off the server again!
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07:20<dominick>pebcak, I put a number on count and got a file of that size in MBs. is that right?
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07:20<pebcak>change blocksize accordingly
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07:22<pebcak>ie. dd if=7dev/zero of=yourfile bs=1G count=1 for a gig
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07:22<dominick>pebcak, man dd tells "bs=BYTES read and write BYTES bytes at a time (also see ibs=,obs=)". Which I thought wouldn't make much difference. Can you please explain!
07:22<maximus_>hi all )
07:23<pebcak>°/dev/zero
07:23<dominick>pebcak, okay! got it!
07:23<pebcak>count=2 for 2gig
07:23<pebcak>...
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07:24<wilberfan_>aptitude is capable of some pretty nifty things... is there a way to completely remove kde4 from my system? I never use it (have gnome installed too)
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07:28<dominick>pebcak, ompaul, I created a 2.1 GB file and did "mkswap /path/to/file" and "swapon /path/to/file". How do I verify debian is using the newly created swap?
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07:29<flor>wilberfan_: you probably want to start by removing kdebase-runtime plasma-desktop kdebase-workspace kdebase-apps and then removing the remaining parts
07:30<wilberfan_>that's a good start... do you know if there's a comprehensive list anywhere? (haven't been able to find one yet,google-wise)
07:30<pebcak>dominick free -m ?
07:30<wilberfan_>flor, aptitude doesn't have an option that would somehow identify the 'remaining parts'?
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07:31<flor>wilberfan_: I have an idea, but you'll have to be patient; I've to check the reference manual
07:32<wilberfan_>flor, awesome....take yer time...
07:32<wilberfan_>:)
07:32<dominick>pebcak, thanks. It works. I tried swapoff and checked, it said 0, and then "swapon /path" again to verify. I guess I'll add it to fstab. thanks!
07:33<pebcak>:)
07:34<flor>wilberfan_: you may use aptitude search "?description(KDE)?installed" which will list all installed packages which have KDE in the description...
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07:36<wilberfan_>flor, yikes....that's quite a list! :\
07:36<wilberfan_>flor, but thanks for looking that up for me... I'll start with your previous suggestion...
07:37<wilberfan_>:)
07:40<wilberfan_>flor, couldn't find a package called "kde-workspace" ...
07:40<wilberfan_>maybe kde4-workspace?
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07:41<wilberfan_>no kde4-workspace either...
07:41<flor>maybe kdebase-workspace-bin
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07:44<wilberfan_>flor, no...that one isn't there either...
07:44<wilberfan_>kdebase-workspace?
07:46<devil>there should be at least 3 kdebase-workspace-* packages installed
07:46<flor>if you have debtags installed you can do the following search which will likely be more accurate than the previous one: aptitude search "?tag(suite::kde)?not(?tag(suite::gnome))?installed"
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07:48<wilberfan_>flor, cool... I just started the remove procedure... :-O
07:48<wilberfan_>whole bunchashit comin' out!
07:49<devil>kde !=shit :)
07:50<wilberfan_>dammit...is there no way to hilite copy paste from xchat??
07:51<flor>this search will give you a more comprehensible list (will list only the "programs"): aptitude search "?tag(role::program)?tag(suite::kde)?not(?tag(suite::gnome))?installed"
07:51<babilen>!remove kde
07:51<dpkg>To remove or purge KDE: aptitude remove kdelibs-data kdelibs4c2a kdelibs5 kdelibs5-data libkdecore5. Use 'purge' instead of 'remove' if that's what you want (ask me about <purge>).
07:51<wilberfan_>already did a 'remove'
07:51<wilberfan_>purge woulda been better, i agree....
07:51<babilen>fwiw -- flor's approach is good to
07:52<babilen>wilberfan_: You can easily search for removed (but not purged) packages with "aptitude search ~c"
07:52<wilberfan_>ooh...cool...let's try that...
07:53<babilen>wilberfan_: http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03s05.html
07:53<babilen>(also available in the aptitude-doc package)
07:53<wilberfan_>dpkg, your command is removing even more stuff...
07:53<dpkg>wilberfan_: okay
07:54<wilberfan_>:)
07:54<babilen>dpkg is a bot
07:54<dpkg>babilen: I give up, what is it?
07:54<wilberfan_>dammit...i always fall for that!
07:54<wilberfan_>:D
07:55<wilberfan_>hmmm... there is no -c option in aptitude...
07:55<flor>it's a tilde ~ not a dash -
07:56<wilberfan_>flor, hey, you're right...! didn't see that...
07:56<wilberfan_>flor, man, there's a TON of stuff that turns up... is there an easy way to get rid of that stuff?
07:56<babilen>wilberfan_: You might want to use a different font ... /me suggests terminus or inconsolata
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07:57<wilberfan_>babilen, naturally i have neither of those installed on this system...
07:57<babilen>wilberfan_: Sure, but that will remove *all* the configuration files. If you indeed want that, it is as easy (surprise!) as "aptitude purge ~c"
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07:58<wilberfan_>THAT seems like a bad idea!
07:58<wilberfan_>:-O
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07:58<flor>did you escape the ~ ? Otherwise your shell may have expended it to your home directory...
07:59<babilen>I mean: All configuration files of packages that *were* once installed, have been removed but still have configuration files left behind (due to the fact that they have been removed not purged)
08:00<pebcak>wilberfan_ it#s a good idea
08:00<pebcak>all your changes should be in your home ;p
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08:01<wilberfan_>no, aptitude search -c just gave me a listing of aptitude options, etc...
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08:02<flor>tilde not dash...
08:02<cooldeniz>Hello im cooldeniz from West Germany !!!
08:02<wilberfan_>babilen, pebcak , so you're saying it IS a good idea to run the aptitude purge ~c ...
08:02<flor>I second that
08:02<wilberfan_>because everything listed there is config files from removed packages?
08:03<flor>absolutely
08:03<babilen>wilberfan_: yes
08:03<wilberfan_>man, i'm gonna have either a super-clean or super-borked system after this!!
08:03<babilen>wilberfan_: But I can't tell you if it is a good idea ...
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08:04<babilen>Your current system will not change -- It just might happen that you later realise (upon reinstallation of a previously removed package) that you have to configure it again
08:04<flor>It is a good idea unless you want to reinstall a package that you removed and don't want the default configuration to be installed. I really doubt you're in such a case.
08:04<devil>cooldeniz: you got kicked in #aptosid for being ROOT
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08:06<wilberfan_>i'm old enough to remember when aptosid was sidux! ;)
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08:09<devil>wilberfan_: then you are older than 3 months ;)
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08:09<wilberfan_>devil, ;-)
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08:09<wilberfan_>let's see if this sucker will restart! :-O
08:09<wilberfan_>brb (i hope)
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08:13<wilberfan_>awesome... logout/login still works...
08:13<wilberfan_>:)
08:14<wilberfan_>nice goin', dudes!
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08:14<wilberfan_>i did a bleachbit, and that kde removal...i've got another 3 or 4 gigs avail??
08:15<wilberfan_>lean and/or mean debian testing now...
08:15<wilberfan_>:D
08:17<babilen>wilberfan_: If you don't care about having older packages around, you could make more space available by running "aptitude autoclean" (remove package archives of all packages that are no longer installed) or "aptitude clean" (remove *all* previously downloaded packages from the package cache)
08:17<wilberfan_>babilen, yeah, bleachbit has that option...
08:17<wilberfan_>:)
08:17<babilen>bleachbit?
08:17<wilberfan_>makes a big diff!
08:18<wilberfan_>babilen, yeah...it cleans all KINDS of crap out of your system... it's a pretty cool package...
08:18<wilberfan_>it's in the repo...
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08:19<babilen>!info bleachbit
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08:19<wilberfan_>temp files, caches... on and on...
08:19<dpkg>bleachbit: (delete unnecessary files from the system), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.8.0-1 (sid), Packaged size: 236 kB, Installed size: 1564 kB
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08:19<wilberfan_>http://bleachbit.sourceforge.net/
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08:28<wilberfan_>thanks again for all the help!
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08:55<dominick>hi! I want to get the background in grub2.
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08:55<dominick>I upgraded from grub by installing grub2 and grub-pc
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08:55<dominick>and did a upgrade-grub.
08:56<dominick>I entered "GRUB_TERMINAL=gfxterm" but it doesn't work.
08:57<dominick>I entered "GRUB_TERMINAL=gfxterm" in /etc/default/grub and did a update-grub, but it doesn't work.
08:57<devil>its not that easy with grub2
08:58<dominick>devil, please help me set it up then.
08:58<flor>did you set GRUB_GFXMODE to a mode supported via VBE by your video card ?
08:58<devil>ubuntu wik has it documented quite well
08:59<dominick>flor, I set my resolution in GRUB_GFXMODE. i.e. GRUB_GFXMODE=1366x768
08:59<flor>do you have grub with that resolution ?
08:59<dominick>the resolution seemed to work, but it still shows the legacy screen!
08:59<dominick>flor, yes.
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09:00<flor>do you have desktop-base installed (it provides the image for the background)?
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09:02<dominick>flor, yikes! I do not have desktop-base installed. let me try that.
09:03<dominick>flor, but I do have other images in /usr/share/images/grub. I'll try using one of them.
09:03<xayon>installing keyboard-configuration in debian squeeze amd64 gives me an error, sorry I cant be more precise, something about a problem in the template
09:04<flor>dominick: then I guess you have to modify /etc/grub.d/05_debian_theme
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09:04<dominick>flor, I'm doing that. will get back!
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09:06<babilen_>dominick: /usr/share/desktop-base/grub_background.sh (and have a look at /etc/grub.d/05_debian_theme)
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09:12<dominick>thanks flor, it seems to be working now.
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09:12<dominick>The wallpaper pointed to a non-existant file.
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09:15<babilen_>dominick: /usr/share/desktop-base/grub_background.sh (and have a look at /etc/grub.d/05_debian_theme)
09:15<babilen_>you got that? (not sure, was disconnected)
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09:16<dominick>babilen_, yes. The WALLPAPERT variable pointed to a non-existant file. I fixed that, and it worked!
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09:16<babilen>great
09:16<babilen>have a good day :)
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10:05<Ninja_xD>hello
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10:41<fantasticulous>hi guys i have a compaq tc4400 which is a laptop and tablet if you turn the screen around and fold it onto the keyboard, and the screen has a little wheel on the side, and a button
10:42<fantasticulous>the button generates a CTRL+ALT+DEL event, and if i press the little wheel it generates an Enter event
10:42<fantasticulous>but when i press it forward and backward it generates no events
10:42<fantasticulous>it's not a wheel but some sort of one-axis joystick
10:42<fantasticulous>so i wonder how i can capture those two events
10:43<fantasticulous>either that or direct me to a channel where i might get more answers
10:43<fantasticulous>>_>
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10:47<fantasticulous>it's called a jog wheel apparently
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10:48<flaggy>fantasticulous: afaik, your device should create an entry at /dev/input/ which you can read and make sense of. There might be a X driver that does for your device
10:48<fantasticulous>ok checking /dev/input
10:49<flaggy>if you use xxd on the right device you should be able to read the data it's generating.
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10:49<flaggy>at least my usb keyboard works like that :P
10:49<fantasticulous>well apparently /dev/input/event0 pumps out keyboard events as well as the jog wheel events
10:49<fantasticulous>so it's probably mapped to some keys on the keyboard that X isn't detecting
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10:50<fantasticulous>can i dump xkb events somehow?
10:50<paulr>where can I get some advice on packaging web apps for debian?
10:50<flaggy>try xev
10:50<superblankon>good night all
10:51<mbruins>bb
10:51<superblankon>merry chrismas
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10:51<fantasticulous>xev doesn't detect the jog wheel events :<
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10:53<flaggy>hm, that's odd, if all events are keyboard events, I'd expect xev to catch it :(
10:53<fantasticulous>i expected the same thing
10:53<fantasticulous>but perhaps X is doing some magic to prevent those events from reaching it
10:53<flaggy>perhaps people at #xorg in freenode may be of better help
10:54<fantasticulous>ok ty
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11:10<fantasticulous>flaggy: found. apparently X relies on kernel to recognize keys so i had to use setkeycodes and now it works
11:11<fantasticulous>now i want to capture acpi screen flip events
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11:12<fantasticulous>so like i said, the screen can be turned 180°, and folded onto the keyboard. i want to run xrandr when this happens so the screen becoems vertical
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11:22<flaggy>cool, I never had a tablet to play with. Perhaps there's a package which you can report a bug regarding your hardware not being identified by default :P
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11:25<fantasticulous>yes
11:26<fantasticulous>but now i'm messing with acpi events
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11:35<utente>hi dudes, i came here after 2 days of work without success. I am trying to set up a piconet bluetooth in debian squeeze, but all the document i see are out od date. anyone can help me to find the righ howto to read?
11:36<utente>better if it is in talian language :D
11:36<utente>but also english works well
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11:41<flor>it looks like bluez can do that. I did a quick google search and found this document: http://bluez.sourceforge.net/contrib/HOWTO-PAN
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11:42<HB_>What would be the best way to monitor memory usage and CPU usage over a designated amount of time?
11:42<flor>utente: but the information on this page is maybe deprecated
11:42<HB_>I'd like to know the average memory usage.. I'm not an expert in Linux, so if someone could point out a program I could use or something like that
11:43<utente>Flor, i go to see it
11:43<flor>utente: cause pand is in bluez-compat which contains binary which will be removed from bluez
11:44<utente>flor, i did not find this page in my previous search, i will have a look and report you if it works fine, thanks.
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11:45<utente>ops.... yes, pand comman in not avaiable in my linuxbox squeeze 2.6.32-5, it is already removed from bluez... that page is obsolete >*
11:45<utente>:(
11:45<flor>you may find pand in bluez-compat
11:45<utente>mmm let me check
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11:45<flor>but I doubt it will be kept long
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11:46<flor>it maybe a better idea to see why pand will be removed from bluez (maybe not necessary anymore)
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11:47<utente>yes there are hidd, dund and pand command in blue/compat, but it seems to be a wornaround, a retro-compatibility, ... i prefere something that will be here for long time.
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12:03<flor>utente: there's an how-to on Gentoo-wiki (gentoo centric obviously, but it may help you): http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Bluetooth_Network_Aggregation_Point
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12:04<utente>tnx
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12:36<jhutchins>This is strange. sar -w shows ~3k cswch/s, but iostat shows none.
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12:39<Sryvk>hello
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12:41<Sryvk>i have strange dns-problems on squeeze with ipv6 (lookups fail if only a A but no AAAA-record exists). Is anybody here with an idea where to look?
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12:55<Sryvk>brrrr
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13:04<dimitar>г
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13:11<jhutchins>Sryvk: Why do you need ipv6?
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13:13<Sryvk>jhutchins: why not? Squesze is supposed to be usable in ipv6-environment, or?
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13:14<sney>some isps do support it
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13:15<Sryvk>jhutchins: and btw: this problem is also one in a pure ipv4-envirenment, with an plain squeeze install, you have to turn ipv6 off, before you can use networking, due to dns-problems.
13:15<Sryvk>sney: and there is also sixxs
13:16<sney>yeah
13:16<sney>and people with ip6 LANs
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13:17<Sryvk>the bad news is: lenny+ipv6 => works, squeeze + ipv6 => doesn't work.
13:18<jhutchins>The problem is mostly that the external infrastructure to support ipv6 doesn't exist.
13:18<jhutchins>Sryvk: Right, lenny is released, squeeze is still in testing.
13:18<jhutchins>Sryvk: I'll bet there are relevant bugreports.
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13:20<Sryvk>jhutchins: thats the reason why i ask here, i didn't found any good bugreport, and don't want to have this probleme in stable.
13:21<Sryvk>I found http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=541167 but this is rater old...
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13:26<Sryvk>but on the other hand: i don't think im the only person using ipv6 on squeeze, so i want to check wheater this is just a configuration-problem before filing a bug
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13:51<nicholas>i'm having trouble with my synaptics touchpad. in /var/log/Xorg.0.log, I see the synaptics module loading for /dev/input/event8 just fine, then it also tries /dev/input/mouse1 which causes "no synaptics event device found" and the module unloads
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13:52<nicholas>note that I can't paste at the moment, so any log messages will need to be retyped :(
13:53<utente>flor, the link you provide me is fot gentoo, with debian it seams to be different,
13:53<utente>more, it talk about get connection with cellphone, mi case is to connect 2 PCs.
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13:53<utente>anyway, thanks for you effort
13:54<nicholas>querying udev about mouse1 shows "E: ID_INPUT_TOUCHPAD=1" so i don't understand why synaptics_drv is failing on it
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13:55<Alyosha>hello
13:55<Alyosha>i have one problem
13:55<Alyosha>if anyone can help
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13:55<Alyosha>i'm getting error from apache2
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13:55<Alyosha>Restarting web server: apache2Syntax error on line 1 of /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default:
13:55<Alyosha>Invalid command 'NameVirtualHost*:80', perhaps misspelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration
13:56<Alyosha>?
13:56<nicholas>Alyosha, I think you need a space after NameVirtualHost and before the *:80 ?
13:57<nicholas>and you can run apache2ctl configtest to verify your config without restarting apache
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14:00<Alyosha>if i try thaht i get some other error
14:00<Alyosha>Restarting web server: apache2[Sun Dec 26 19:59:55 2010] [warn] NameVirtualHost 192.168.1.10:80 has no VirtualHosts
14:00<Alyosha>[Sun Dec 26 19:59:55 2010] [warn] NameVirtualHost 192.168.1.10:80 has no VirtualHosts
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14:01<nicholas>that's progress
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14:01<nicholas>do you have a sites-enabled/* which has NameVirtualHost 192.168.1.10:80 in it?
14:02<Alyosha>i think yess
14:02<Alyosha>sec
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14:02<nicholas>okay. that file probably doesn't have a matching <VirtualHost ...> in it
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14:02<Alyosha>it's the same
14:03<nicholas><VirtualHost *>? or <VirtualHost 192.168.1.10>?
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14:03<Alyosha>with IP
14:03<Alyosha>it's basiclY A copy
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14:04<rpgdude>how do i swap 2 finger and 3 finger tap behavior?
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14:05<nicholas>Alyosha: hmm... that sounds like it should work...
14:06<Alyosha>hmm
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14:06<Alyosha>i added
14:06<Alyosha>another <VirtualHost>
14:06<Alyosha>and now it works:)
14:07<Alyosha>but this other one doesn't
14:07<Alyosha>:D
14:07<nicholas>rpgdude: i'm trying to set up my synaptics now. can i ask you how you got multitouch working in the first place? or did it work out of the box?
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14:11<rpgdude>nicholas: worked out of box, i just deleted xorg.conf
14:11<rpgdude>oh
14:11<rpgdude>and i went into gnome mouse settings
14:11<rpgdude>there is a check box for tapping
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14:14<debinaseperado>hi
14:14<debinaseperado>spanish or english?
14:15<devil>EN
14:15<debinaseperado>puf
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14:15<debinaseperado>ok i try
14:15<devil>!es
14:15<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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14:15<debinaseperado>thnaks
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14:22<nexinho>resio sam da se zenim....hocu zivot da promenim...
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14:24<rpgdude>my issue looks like upstream bug in gnome
14:24<rpgdude>598820
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14:28<otzi>hello. I want to upgrade to squeeze. apt-get tells me Need to get 2479MB of archives. After this operation, 2528MB of additional disk space will be used.
14:28<otzi>should I have 2479+2528 MB available or just 2528MB?
14:28<nicholas>2479+2528 available during the upgrade, then the 2479 will be cleared away
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14:29<otzi>alright, thanks
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14:34<debinaseperado>hi i have a liveusb debian lenny with xcfe but my monitor is not found and i write in xorg the horizsync and the VertRefresh and try write 1024x768 but when saved and startx the fonts are very small and my monitor change the resolution to 11152x864 . can you help me
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14:37<nicholas>does anyone know whether the synaptics driver needs to open a /dev/input/event *and* a /dev/input/mouse entry?
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15:04<kop>debinaseperado: Try "Xorg -configure". But you'll have to do this every time unless you build your own live cd.
15:05<kop>debinaseperado: (Ooops. You've a usb. Never mind about re-doing.)
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15:57<skyark>i got a transparent proxy with squid but i want to make just a few PC to have that proxy access. How can i do it? With Ip or Mac address.
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16:00<lapfrog>did you just answer your own question?
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16:03<skyark>but it's posible? can be do it?
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16:09<lapfrog>i think you mean "but it's possible? can be do be do it? yes."
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16:16<lapfrog>im looking for a realtime kernel
16:16<lapfrog>any hints?
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16:21<skyark>thnks
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16:24<antonio>hi at all, can someone help me
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16:24<antonio>i need help to set up my graphic card
16:25<devil>please ask directly
16:25<devil>what is the problem
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16:26<ompaul>antonio: you need to say what card & chipset, what version of debian, what the issue appears to be and then if someone in the channel knows and has the time they will gladly help you :)
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16:28<antonio>ompaul, i have debian lenny, my graphic card is sis671/771
16:28<devil>ouch :)
16:28<ompaul>+1
16:28<antonio>i like to configure it with the right drivers but i don't know hot to set up them
16:28<devil>you just install them
16:29<antonio>how?
16:29<antonio>where i can take drivers?
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16:30<devil>apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-sis
16:30<antonio>eh, nut i like to use 1366*768 resolution
16:31<antonio>i've installed xserver-xorg-video-sis
16:31<antonio>but i can get only 800*600
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16:32<antonio>:(
16:32<devil>antonio: show us: xrandr | grep max
16:32<antonio>devil, Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 1024 x 768, maximum 1024 x 768
16:32<antonio>now i'm using 1024*768
16:32<devil>yes
16:32<antonio>and not 800*600
16:32<antonio>i like to use 1366*768
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16:34<antonio>any help?
16:35<devil>antonio: cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep -i drivers
16:36<antonio>antonio@debian:~$ cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep -i drivers
16:36<antonio>(II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers//vesa_drv.so
16:36<devil>you are using vesa, not sis driver
16:36<antonio>i know
16:37<antonio>but xserver-xorg-video-sis è installato
16:37<antonio>is installed (sorry for the italian) :D
16:37<devil>if xserver-xorg-video-sis is installed, after reboot it should be used
16:37<antonio>eh i know...but it show this :S
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16:38<devil>are you still usding xorg.conf?
16:38<devil>using
16:38<antonio>yes
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16:39<devil>antonio: can you pastebin it for us?
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16:39<devil>while i go make some tea…
16:39<antonio>yes sure, i'm doing it
16:39<antonio>invite me for the tea, may be it can help me :D
16:39<antonio>to tranquilize :D
16:40<antonio>here my xorg.conf
16:40<antonio>http://pastebin.com/RuK51sc4
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16:41<antonio>devil, i'm wating here :) write me when you are here
16:43<devil>antonio: Section "Device" is lacking a driver
16:43<AzaToth>I've got a problem similar to as for http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=537371 though while I've been unble to enable lwin as compose key, I can do "setxkbmap -option compose:caps" and capslock works for compose; I'm using xfce as dm
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16:43<antonio>lacking? what mean?
16:44<AzaToth>think lwin stopped working a year ago approx
16:44<devil>antonio: there is none.
16:44<devil>antonio: the sis driver needs to go there
16:44<antonio>eh, on section device when i write Driver "sis671"
16:44<AzaToth>my xkb_symbols includes lwin: xkb_symbols { include "pc+se+inet(evdev)+compose(lwin)+compose(caps)+terminate(ctrl_alt_bksp)" };
16:44<antonio>and then reboot
16:45<antonio>when i reboot i can't see my desktop only the shell i see
16:45<devil>antonio: i cannot tell you the exact syntax, i never had a sis card
16:45<antonio>lucky man XD
16:46<devil>clever man ;)
16:46<antonio>:D
16:46<antonio>so
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16:46<antonio>what can i do now?
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16:47<antonio>i write only Driver "sis" and reboot or try to write again Driver "sis671" and reboot without result?
16:47<devil>antonio: if you write something in xoeg.conf and it fails to boot to X, Xorg.0.log has the clue
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16:47<devil>so you can see the error there
16:48<antonio>so i can paste you the xorg.0.log
16:48<devil>athe end of the log
16:48<devil>yes
16:48<antonio>a question, where is the xorg.0.log?
16:48<devil>but after a reboot, a new one is wsritten
16:49<devil>so you want /var/log/Xorg.0.log.oöd.log
16:49<antonio>so...now, i modify the xorg.conf with Driver "sis"
16:49<devil>old
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16:50<antonio>http://pastebin.com/MMu1zadi
16:50<antonio>here is the log.old
16:51<devil>look at the lines with EE
16:52<devil>broken/wrong driver
16:52<antonio>No driver available
16:52<antonio>so i install again xserver-xorg-vide-sis?
16:52<devil>(EE) module ABI major version (6) doesn't match the server's version (2)
16:52<devil>(EE) Failed to load module "sis671" (module requirement mismatch, 0)
16:53<devil>that basicaly says, xserver-xorg and your sys driver dont match
16:53<devil>sis driver
16:53<antonio>so?
16:53<devil>so, what version is the driver?
16:54<devil>and how did you get it?
16:54<antonio>i've just installed debian lenny
16:54<ompaul>antonio: where did you get the package and can you paste your sources.list
16:54<antonio>a fresh install this evening
16:54<ompaul>hmm
16:55<antonio>ompaul, i've installed lenny by my dvd :D
16:55<ompaul>antonio: and the xserver-xorg-vide-sis was downloaded from where?
16:55<antonio>synaptic
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16:55<ompaul>antonio: did you apt-get update && apt-get upgrade before that?
16:56<antonio>i've made the updates
16:56<ompaul>antonio: have you rebooted since the updates?
16:56<antonio>yes
16:57<devil>II) Module sis671: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
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16:57<devil>compiled for 1.7.4, module version = 0.8.0
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16:57<Guest2372>does anyone know a good place to watch nfl games online for free ?
16:57<antonio>what can i do now?
16:58<ompaul>http://packages.debian.org/lenny/xserver-xorg shows version 1.7.3
16:59<devil>do you have testing enabled in sources.list?
16:59<devil>ompaul: yeah, mismatch
16:59<antonio>devil, i'm watching wait a second :D
16:59<ompaul>devil: ack
17:00<antonio>no, how i can watch that?
17:00<Tiff>Guest2372: sopcast has a Linux version, just throwing that out there.
17:00<devil>antonio: did you edit it ?
17:00<antonio>no...i'm a newbie :D
17:00<ompaul>antonio: can you please paste your sources.list for us thanks
17:00<antonio>where is the sources.list?
17:01<devil>antonio: dpkg -l xserver-xorg | grep ii
17:01<antonio>antonio@debian:~$ dpkg -l xserver-xorg | grep ii
17:01<antonio>ii xserver-xorg 1:7.3+20 the X.Org X server
17:02<ompaul>/etc/apt/sources.list
17:02<Guest2372>Tiff: thank you ill check it out now
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17:02<devil>antonio: dpkg -l xserver-xorg-video-sis | grep ii
17:03<antonio>this is my sources.list http://pastebin.com/9D2KEzmq
17:04<antonio>debian:/etc/apt# dpkg -l xserver-xorg-video-sis | grep ii
17:04<antonio>ii xserver-xorg-video-sis 1:0.10.0-1 X.Org X server -- SiS display driver
17:04<flaggy>darn, I have too many packages, upgrade will take forever :(
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17:05<devil>antonio: that is strange. stuff matches.
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17:05<antonio>are you speaking arabic? :D i am new for linux and i don't know :D
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17:08<devil>antonio: what does arabic have to do with it?
17:08<antonio>it's an italian funny word :D
17:09<antonio>when someon doesn'understand something...we say that are speaking arabic :D
17:09<devil>well, i am out of my wits on this, sorry :(
17:09<antonio>devil where are you from?
17:09<ompaul>antonio: people here are from all over the planet, local expressions don't usually translate well ;-)
17:09<antonio>i know :D
17:09<antonio>for example i am italian!
17:09<devil>antonio: Berlin
17:10<antonio>deutche? XD
17:10<devil>half
17:10<antonio>:D
17:11<antonio>so, what can i don with my graphic card? throw up in the rubbish or format all and re-install Microzoft? :(
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17:11<ompaul>antonio: somehow your machine has a version of the sis software that is too high for the X server if that makes sense
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17:11<devil>ompaul: not really, but it says so.
17:12<antonio>:(
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17:12<antonio>i'm not luck with debian?
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17:12<otzi>antonio: funny, here in brazil we have the same expression, but we say the person is speaking greek.
17:12<devil>antonio: sis is a terrible card
17:12<antonio>eheheheh otzi :D
17:12<ompaul>antonio: sis don't play nice and work with the linux community
17:13<antonio>:(
17:13<devil>antonio: you could upgrade to squeeze and see if things work out there
17:13<ompaul>devil: testing shows the same sis version
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17:13<devil>nah
17:13<antonio>how can i upgrade my debian?
17:13<ompaul>http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=xserver-xorg-video-sis&searchon=names&suite=testing§ion=all
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17:13<otzi>anyhow, let me read your problem, see if I can give any insight
17:14<devil>lenny has 1:0.10.0-1, testing has 1:0.10.0-3
17:14<MeglaW>antonio: change dist and maybee mirrors in /etc/apt/sources.list
17:14<ompaul>ok I'm not only stupid it appears I am blind as well ;-)
17:14<MeglaW>antonio: then do apt-get dist-upgrade
17:14<antonio>how i can change it?
17:14<otzi>so you can't figure out how to get 1366x768 resolution?
17:14<antonio>yes
17:15<devil>otzi: he is on vesa
17:15<antonio>:(
17:15<devil>otzi: look at the pastes, sis driver gives ABI mismatch (where it should not)
17:15<devil>i would give squeeze a try
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17:16<ompaul>antonio: you could move to squeeze version as both devil an MeglaW have suggested - there are a couple of ways to do that, dist-upgrade being the easiest way you just walk away from the machine for a while depending on bandwith but I'd do a fresh install and do the whole "italian keyboard thing"
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17:17<antonio>but now i've made apt-get dist-upgrade
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17:17<antonio>and nothing was happened
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17:17<devil>antonio: you need to change your sources to squeeze first
17:18<ompaul>antonio: you have to change your sources in sources.list and remove volatile entries
17:18<ompaul>antonio: I'll edit your pastebin as an example for you
17:18<antonio>thanks then paste it here ok?
17:19<ompaul>antonio: no I'll do a pastebin
17:19<antonio>eh yes
17:19<antonio>:D
17:19<otzi>yes, trying squeeze is probably a good idea. You're getting a very strange error indeed
17:19<antonio>where i can download squeeze?
17:20<devil>antonio: be patient
17:20<otzi>though I didn't see any bug reports that sounded like what you're getting.
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17:20<antonio>k
17:20<devil>me neither
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17:22<ompaul>antonio: what country are you in? this is so you can get the packages from a local mirror
17:22<antonio>i'm italian ompaul
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17:25<ompaul> antonio this is all you need in your sources.list at this time http://pastebin.com/GzhCGkkP after you put them in place of all you have do: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
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17:26<ompaul>antonio: it will need a little hand holding as you only installed today accept the maintainers version and see how you go there
17:27<antonio>?
17:27*devil hands ompaul a comma
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17:27<ompaul>thanks devil ;-)
17:27<antonio>what?
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17:28<antonio>comma... uhm...i need to refresh my english...what do you mean devil ?
17:28<devil>antonio: if during the upgrade, you get asked questions, hit enter
17:28<ompaul>antonio: as you only installed lenny and when you are asked questions "accept the maintainers version"
17:28<ompaul>hehe
17:28<antonio>ok :D
17:28<ompaul>devil: you kill me you do
17:28<antonio>:P
17:28<devil>ompaul: sorry :)
17:29<ompaul>devil: :)
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17:29<antonio>so, what can i do now?
17:30<devil>antonio: copy the paste you got and then dist-upgrade
17:30<ompaul>antonio: that is your new sources.list >> http://pastebin.com/GzhCGkkP
17:31<antonio>i must copy only that on my sources.list?
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17:32<antonio>i've difficult :S
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17:33<johfel>antonio: yes
17:33<antonio>devil, ompaul , otzi , help! :(
17:33<ompaul>antonio: su - put in root password
17:34<antonio>ok
17:34<antonio>gedit sources.list ok
17:34<ompaul>no
17:34<antonio>....
17:34<antonio>cd
17:34<ompaul>bad choice of editor
17:35<ompaul>antonio: do you want to do this the very easy way?
17:35<antonio>yes
17:35<ompaul>antonio: mv /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/Lenny.sources.list
17:35<ompaul>antonio: cat > /etc/apt/sources.list
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17:36<ompaul>antonio: deb http://ftp.it.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free
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17:36<ompaul>antonio: deb-src http://ftp.it.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free
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17:36<bernard>hi
17:37<ompaul>antonio: then you do this one keystroke CTRL C
17:37<antonio>ok then?
17:37<Skogfe>test
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17:37<ompaul>antonio: got that done?
17:37<bernard>when is debian 6 isgoing to released ? I want to move to debian .. I want 6.0 ,,, I do not to reinstall my system, I can wait if the dates are very near like just one month etc..
17:38<antonio>is making something
17:38<ompaul>antonio: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
17:38<antonio>yes i made it
17:38<antonio>:D
17:38<antonio>i'm doing it now :D
17:39<ompaul>antonio: good
17:39<otzi>bernard: I'm not sure anyone really knows. But you can install squeeze already, no need to wait until release day.
17:39<antonio>ompaul, where are you from?
17:39<devil>antonio: now sit in awe and watch apt do its job
17:39<ompaul>antonio: Dublin
17:39<antonio>nice! Guinness man! :D
17:39<antonio>i love guinnes beer :D eheheheh!!!
17:40<bernard>otzi: but If i install squeeze then how i will be able to upgrade ?
17:40<devil>bernard: my bet is March 17th 2011 :)
17:40<ompaul>antonio: for conversation you need to go to #debian-offtopic :)
17:40<antonio>ok sorry :)
17:40<ompaul>devil: you only get one beer not one per day :P
17:40<otzi>bernard: what do you mean? Are you already running debian?
17:40<antonio>so, i'm installing 480 new packets of the new debian :D
17:40<otzi>you can upgrade to squeeze already
17:41<ompaul>devil: antonio that would be about right
17:41<antonio>i'm upgrading to squeeze :D
17:41<bernard>otzi: I mean, do i need to reinstall or simply dist-upgrade will upgrade to stable release
17:41<antonio>oh yeah! :D
17:41<devil>ompaul: :(
17:41<otzi>bernard: dist-upgrade will work from lenny to squeeze
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17:42<ompaul>devil: well there are about 100 days from here to there I'm not buying you a hundred beers ;-) maybe more than one
17:42<antonio>with the new debian sqeeze, what will change in this distribution?
17:42<devil>ompaul: deal :)
17:42<antonio>i love bear! :D
17:42<antonio>beer :D
17:42<devil>antonio: they eat you. be careful
17:42<antonio>sorry :D
17:42<antonio>eheheheh!!!
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17:43<devil>they love italians
17:43<ompaul>fried easy over
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17:43<antonio>the dublin girls love italians or bears love italians?
17:43<antonio>eheheheh!!!
17:43<bernard>otzi: I am saying, I have a DVD - debian squeeze , I can download and install but this is testing version,,, What will happen when is officially released ? at that time, do i need to reinstall newer version or simple upgrade program present ?
17:44<ompaul>bernard: you keep it updated on the way and just the date changes not much of your software
17:44*ompaul points antonio to #debian-offtopic
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17:45<antonio>ompaul, sorry :)
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17:46<bernard> ompaul: That means, I need not to reinstall on release day., simple regular update will work !! fine thanks
17:46<ompaul>bernard: exactly
17:47<ompaul>bernard: it is good to update every few days and keep an eye on the changes
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17:47<bernard>May you give me direct url of amd64 DVD of latest squeeze ? So that i can download and try...
17:47<devil>bernard: you can upgrade now
17:47<devil>through apt
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17:48<bernard>devil: I have ubuntu box.. friend gave me shit long back,, want to clean this ,,,
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17:48<devil>oh, well, then…
17:48<devil>!squeeze
17:48<dpkg>Squeeze is the codename for the next release, Debian GNU/Linux 6.0. It is the three-eyed space alien. Ask me about <wwsr> for recent updates and see also <testing> <squeeze udev> <squeeze kernel> <lenny->squeeze> http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSqueeze . The Debian release is not to be confused with the <Xfce> archive manager.
17:49<antonio>ompaul, i'm installing squeeze... :)
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17:49<ompaul>bernard: ia64 and whats it amd are the same DVD http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/ia64/iso-dvd/
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17:50<ompaul>bernard: sorry are not the same DVD (ok time for me to say tired) http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-dvd/
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17:50<bernard>devil: ompaul , one more question, I have Squeeze mirror because i maintain mirror, but I never download DVD/CD/netinst.. so what is your suggestion ?
17:51<ompaul>bernard: server or desktop
17:51<bernard>devil: ompaul , Desktop ,,,
17:52<ompaul>bernard: then I would say 32bit because stupid stuff works better on it what do I mean by stupid stuff - flash and codecs for multimedia etc
17:52<ompaul>bernard: when it comes to databases then go 64 and enjoy
17:53<bernard>devil: ompaul So should i try netinst ? Only problem , i have mirror on my laptop so while installing netinst, i wont be able to use mirror,, i can use it after that.. So will be netinst CD do minimal installation or i just go for CD version ?
17:53<ompaul>bernard: personally I use netinst it is the smallest download
17:53<ompaul>bernard: as long as you have internet by wire while installing
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17:54<bernard>ompaul: devil so netinst do not do minimal installation,,, i got it, i will download 64 bit CD... then
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17:55<bernard>ompaul: devil - no i don;t use flash atall, i am anti-flash person,, who do not use even gnash and other stuff too..
17:55<ompaul>bernard: you should enjoy 64bit then :)
17:56<devil>well, skype and other 3rd party ehm… stuff can be a pain with 64-bit
17:56<antonio>ompaul, devil , the upgrade is finish...
17:56<antonio>i must reboot my pc?
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17:57<devil>antonio: you should, yes, new kernel and all
17:57<antonio>ok :D see you in some minutes
17:57<bernard>ompaul: sure... Thanks ,, will comeback again..... Just for an introduction, i am narendra sisodiya from india .. my nick is nsisodiya, i was in hurry so i didn;t change my nick.. gud nite thanks..
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17:57<devil>good luck ;)
17:57<ompaul>Privjet ...
17:57<bernard>ompaul: s/my nick/click provided nick/
17:58<ompaul>bernard: ack
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18:01<BlueG>jester45: I don't believe I have access tot he apache configuration (or at least not all of it) for the remote server. There must be some reason it will use foo.html for a request for foo, but not foo.php. I can't see the config, but if I knew what might do this, I might know what to put in a .htaccess to get it to work
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18:02<jhutchins>BlueG: Active scripting languages such as PHP, CGI, perl, ruby, python and executable HTML pose a potential risk to the webserver and are often disabled for security reasons.
18:03<jhutchins>BlueG: In fact, it's a good idea to disable execution on any directory that is not explicitly meant to be active code.
18:03<jhutchins>BlueG: You will need to contact the person who administers the server and find out where to put your PHP and how to make it executable.
18:04<jhutchins>BlueG: You may need to adjust your .htaccess file or it may require and administrative change.
18:05<jhutchins>BlueG: For instance, if I had a directory that the public could upload to, and if PHP were executable from that directory, all they would have to do is upload the right PHP code and they'd have root access.
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18:07<BlueG>jhutchins: requesting foo.php works fine, so php scripts are being executed. It's just that a request for foo will return a 404 instead of foo.php. However, if foo.html exists, it will be served when foo is requested.
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18:08<BlueG>I was suggested to use mod_rewrite for this, but that doesn't seem like the proper way to solve the problem
18:08<antonio>devil, i-m here again :D
18:08<jhutchins>BlueG: Just need to add it to the default extensions then.
18:08<jhutchins>mod_rewrite would work too.
18:09<devil>antonio: good
18:09<antonio>downloading the sqeeze dvd too :D
18:09<antonio>so now...
18:09<antonio>what can i do for my graphic card
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18:10<devil>antonio: xrandr | grep max
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18:10<BlueG>jhutchins: well, mod_rewrite might work for now, but what if I wind up with foo.php and bar.py for some reason? How will mod_rewrite know that foo should be foo.php and bar should be bar.py? Content negotiation should work for this because foo.php exists, and bar.py exists.
18:11<antonio>devil, Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 1024 x 768, maximum 1024 x 768
18:11<BlueG>jhutchins: How would I add php to the default extensions?
18:11<antonio>devil, is the same how before
18:11<devil>antonio: cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep EE
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18:12<antonio>devil, antonio@debian:~$ cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep EE
18:12<antonio> (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
18:12<antonio>(II) Loading extension MIT-SCREEN-SAVER
18:12<antonio>(EE) Error compiling keymap (server-0)
18:12<antonio>(EE) XKB: Couldn't compile keymap
18:12<antonio>(EE) Error compiling keymap (server-0)
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18:12<devil>ouch
18:13<jhutchins>BlueG: You'll only have trouble if both foo.php and foo.py are valid, and then it will just be a matter of what order it resolves in.
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18:13<antonio>sorry :( i was kicked :S
18:14<devil>antonio: please paste /etc/X11/xorg.conf (if ayou have one still)
18:14<antonio>devil, http://paste.debian.net/103243/
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18:14<antonio>ok i'll paste it
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18:15<antonio>devil, http://paste.debian.net/103244/
18:15<devil>because the error you hd before is gone
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18:16<antonio>so now?
18:16<devil>hm, add the driver to that and see what happens if you relogin
18:17<antonio>driver "sis 671"
18:17<antonio>is right?
18:17<devil>i think so
18:17<BlueG>jhutchins: Right, but if I use mod_rewrite to rewrite all urls to a .php then the one that needs be a .py will fail, even bar.py is the only thing available. Content negotiation would have served bar.py because it existed, but a mod_rewrite rule would rewrite the request for bar to bar.php, which would fail since it doesn't exists
18:17<antonio>ok i try and then i try to come back :D
18:18<antonio>i hope it will be ok...
18:18<BlueG>at any rate, I think content negotiation is the correct way to solve the problem, but how do I make apache search for foo.php as an alternative for foo?
18:19<antonio>devil, i reboot and come back soon :D
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18:21<BlueG>I would think an AddType directive would not be needed because I don't think .php files would be processed in that case. What do I need to put in .htaccess to get content negotiation to find foo.php and serve that when foo is requested?
18:23<BlueG>What determines which files will be considered to fill a request for foo?
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18:27<jhutchins>BlueG: Se part 11 here: http://dan.drydog.com/apache2php.html
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18:27<jhutchins>BlueG: This should already be in the debian default files that you get if you install apache and php correctly.
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18:28<antonio>ð€“→ł¡
18:28<antonio>ñøŧħ→ñŋ ħæþþ€ñ€ð¡
18:28<devil>UGH!
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18:29<BlueG>jhutchins: well, it works fine by default on my own server, but the remote server that I do not administer is having problems, so I am wondering if I can correct this via .htaccess. I'll go read your link now.
18:29<antonio>devil, nothing happend
18:29<devil>antonio: what are you saying?
18:29<antonio>my keyboard was bad :S
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18:30<antonio>i've tried to modify xorg.conf with driver "sis 671" but nothing was happened
18:30<antonio>i saw only the console
18:30<antonio>:S
18:31<devil>antonio: paste: /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old.log
18:32<antonio>oh, no no devil, i will put on my notebook Ubuntu 10.04
18:32<antonio>there are drivers for that
18:32<devil>they have the same driver
18:33<antonio>yes but there are packets for work it!
18:33<devil>if you dont help me, i cant help you,
18:33<devil>gnite
18:33<antonio>thank you devil! when you come in italy i will offer you a bowl of italian wine! :D
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18:34<antonio>devil, come on private room
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18:38<BlueG>jhutchins: AddType text/html php makes is serve foo.php for foo, but without processing it through php. The other parts don't seem to work in my case, I just get internal server errors. Any further advice on setting this up in a .htaccess?
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18:48<BlueG>jhutchins: I don't think you can load a module from .htaccess, and the module would have to be loaded for php scripts to be working in the first place, right?
18:49<BlueG>The AddHandler directive doesn't seem to be working for me, the files are still served unprocessed.
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19:02<patopanamenho>hi people, can anyone help me to configure any video player to play .rmvb? I recently moved from Ubuntu to Debian, Im n00b, and I have a lot of issues to solve with Debian yet...
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19:10<ompaul>!tell patopanamenho about w32codecs
19:10<ompaul>patopanamenho: please check the message from the bot
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19:28<Silicium0>How can I change default browser in gnome?
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19:28<BlueG>Perhaps the AddHandler directive needs to be changed based on the configuration of the php module in the main server configuration
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19:28<Silicium0>I have it set to iceweasel, but url links on desktop are still launched with epiphany
19:29<BlueG>Is there a way to find out what handlers are available in apache, without directly reading through the configuration files?
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20:07<htdhtftf>hi
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20:14<lordguinness>hi
20:15<lordguinness>anybody out there ?
20:16<dondelelcaro>lordguinness: best to just ask your question
20:16<NightMonkey>lordguinness: Nobody out here.
20:16<lordguinness>ok...I'm having issues with corosync. everytime i have to kill corosync after reboot
20:17<lordguinness>if corosync is restarted everything is fine
20:18<lordguinness>i think this is a little bit strange...
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20:20<lapfrog>hi guys i noticed there are three places during bootup when graphics modes are set: when grub loads up, when the OS starts loading, and at after a few seconds during os loading. can someone explain to me how the last two can be controlled?
20:20<lapfrog>cause the first one can be controlled from /etc/default/grub
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20:23<lordguinness>the 2nd place is maybe kernel based mode-setting ? (just guessing)
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20:24<lapfrog>well the third place sets from 80x25 text mode to 1024x768 and continues text scrolling (and later on X kicks in)
20:24<lapfrog>im more interested in the third actually, or perhaps a way to make grub decide, and the other two places to just inherit the resolution without flashing the screen
20:25<hyde>i'm running a java program on a single cpu/core system.. top shows the process is taking 50%+ cpu time, although in the totals it's showing about 80-90% idle time... am i reading something wrong ?
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20:26<lordguinness>lapfrog: no idea - it was just a guess....but the 1024*768 resoultion is set in grub.cfg in lenny
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20:26<lordguinness>and on squeeze it is set via kms. afaik. ....
20:26<lapfrog>yes i set it in /etc/default/grub and ran update-grub
20:26<lapfrog>and it works, it controls it
20:26<lordguinness>me too. on lenny
20:27<lapfrog>im on testing
20:27<lapfrog>is that squeeze or lenny?
20:27<lordguinness>in squeeze i have the nouveau drivers and the resolution is changed automagically
20:27<lordguinness>i have to change the grub config if i use the nvidia drivers
20:28<lapfrog>oh nouveau
20:28<lapfrog>can't this be done driver-independent?
20:28<lordguinness>i am on squeeze now. with the nvidia drivers it's /etc/default/grub
20:28<lapfrog>i mean grub can change mode fine without nouveau
20:28<lordguinness>never tried myself
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20:29<lapfrog>ok that's fine, i set grub to 1024x768 but i want the kernel to inherit it without setting 80x25 text mode
20:29<lordguinness>you're on squeeze ?
20:29<lapfrog>squeeze=testing?
20:29<lordguinness>yes
20:29<lapfrog>yes
20:29<lordguinness>but soon stable :)
20:29<lapfrog>that's good
20:29<lordguinness>then it's /etc/default/grub
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20:30<lapfrog>yes
20:30<lordguinness>GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="vga=...."
20:30<lapfrog>i thought vga= was deprecated?
20:30<lordguinness>this is the way I am doing it...
20:31<lordguinness>seems to work. but not sure if this is the correct way
20:31<lapfrog>but does your screen flash when beginning boot into OS?
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20:31<lapfrog>cause that's what i'm trying to avoid
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20:32<lordguinness>hm. good questing... :)
20:32<lordguinness>Not sure...could be
20:33<lapfrog>also, what exactly happens the third time that resolution changes? is it a script in /etc/init.d that sets the screen to 1024x768? because i get the 'setting console font and stuff' a lot later after the mode change
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20:33<lordguinness>I've just started my laptop from suspend, no flashing as far as i could se
20:34<lapfrog>no no
20:34<lordguinness>I'll try to reboot
20:34<lapfrog>not suspend, reboot
20:34<lapfrog>yes thank you
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20:35<lordguinness>from grub to console no flashing, but a little bit flashing when starting x here
20:35<lapfrog>that's not a problem
20:36<lordguinness>i am booting into console, no x at startup
20:36<lapfrog>ok how do i find out console resolution and especially bit depth?
20:37<lordguinness>http://wiki.datentraeger.li/doku.php?id=linux:debian:grub&s[]=vga
20:37<lordguinness>maybe this is useful. it's in german language, but the doesn't matter for the modes
20:37<lapfrog>yes
20:37<lapfrog>i'll use 771 or 788 but
20:37<lapfrog>i need to find out the current depth of the console
20:37<lapfrog>any idea how to do that?
20:37<lordguinness>I'm using 794 here.
20:38<lordguinness>hm
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20:38<lapfrog>well i don't want 32 bits per pixel cause it might be slow
20:39<lapfrog>im sure it's slow actually
20:39<lapfrog>when scrolling fast
20:39<lordguinness>i think there is a command for that...but can't remember the name
20:41<dvs>lapfrog: what is the version of your kernel?
20:41<lapfrog>2.6.32-5-686 #1
20:41<lapfrog>numero uno :P
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20:42<lapfrog>also, i have some intel gfx chip
20:42<lapfrog>i have to reboot brb
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20:42<lordguinness>hwinfo --framebuffer shows all modes
20:42<dvs>try "video=1280x1024-32@75" in /etc/default/grub
20:43<lordguinness>dvs: is vga deprecated ? I am still using vga=...
20:43<dvs>seems so
20:44<lordguinness>thanks...but it still works... ;)
20:44<dvs>with kernel 2.6.32
20:44<lordguinness>I'm also on 2.6.32 (squeeze)
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20:44<lapfrog>alright
20:44<lapfrog>as i said, the vga= option is deprecated
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20:45<lapfrog>there is a gfxpayload param now
20:45<lapfrog>it just alerted me when i booted
20:45<lordguinness>yes, dvs just told me that ;)
20:45<lapfrog>going to try that
20:45<lapfrog>also, there seem to be some dmesg messages about why the resolution changes a few seconds after booting kernel
20:45<lapfrog>going to check
20:46<lordguinness>good luck...I'm leaving...bye
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20:46<lapfrog>bye thx
20:48<bremner>on my machine running kernel 2.6.32-5-amd64, /dev/fuse is mode 0600 owner root.fuse ; it seems like it should be 0660
20:49<bremner>and indeed it is on another machine. Config fail?
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20:53<lapfrog>brb again
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20:54<Kristian>hmm... unbootable squeeze install due to the btrfs (or more precisely: libcrc32c) module having unresolved symbols... after a clean install... that can't be good
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20:57<bluenemo>hi guys. why wont this work?: chmod u-x $(find -type f) -> chmod: invalid option -- 'N'
20:59<Kristian>... you probably got a file named somethingsomething -N
20:59<Kristian>May I suggest: find -type f -exec chmod u-x {} \;
20:59<Kristian>err
20:59<Kristian>find -type f -exec chmod u-x "{}" \; , I suppose
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21:04<bluenemo>Kristian, jup that worked. could have thought about -exec :)
21:04<bremner>hmm. A reboot fixed the /dev/fuse permissions.
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21:22<bluenemo>can it be that a pata dvd-rw is mapped to /dev/hda?? i thought they only appear on /dev/sr0 (or linked to /dev/dvd)?
21:23<sney>/dev/hda is the old standard, /dev/hd* devices were what we used for PATA for years
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21:23<sney>I think it's all supposed to be sd* now though
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21:26<bluenemo>i thought so too. but my partner has his dvd-rw on hda and NO sr0 :)
21:26<sney>huh
21:26<sney>I guess there are some left over
21:26<sney>might be an oddball chipset that doesn't quite work with the scsi emulation yet
21:27<sney>or you're using lenny, and the emulation only becomes standard after 2.6.30
21:27<bluenemo>hm.. is an t60p.. frankly, i thought i've got exactly the same thinkpad model. i've got sr0..
21:27<bluenemo>we both use squeeze
21:29<bluenemo>he sais he build a newer kernel with the old original squeeze kernel settings.. maybe thats it..? think well have to debug a little. thx for your help sney
21:29<sney>I'm from the "if it works, leave it be" school of thought, but have fun with your bug huht
21:29<sney>hunt, even.
21:30<bluenemo>thank you :) (school: me too normaly :)
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21:31<bluenemo>another thing. i mount my stuff from my home server via sshfs. all data files are not set to be executable (but the folders are). showing permissions confirm that. when i open them the sucker always says its an executable text file, and asks me if i want to run or display it. thats damm annoying..
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21:33<sney>usually when I see things being set +x for no reason, Windows is involved somehow
21:33<bluenemo>the thing is, all data files are u=rw. windows isnt here anymore since 6 years :)
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21:34<sney>could just be your window manager/file explorer behaving badly then
21:34<bluenemo>i'm beiang asked for this file for example: -rw------- 1 bluenemo 1003 1.3K Nov 29 07:05 fan
21:34<bluenemo>hm its nautilus (dam bugger :)
21:35<Kristian>It's always ominous when you download some tool or package you need and discover a README.TXT in 0755
21:36<bluenemo>lol
21:36<sney>haha
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21:50<graver0bber>#debian-offtopic
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21:55<patopanamenho>im having a feel problems with my vlc, can anyone help me? its not working on nothing[
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22:29<gabrieluk>elo :D
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22:32<bremner>wow, gtkpod is amazingly slow.
22:33<bremner>2 seconds to process a click on an unloaded fast machine.
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22:38<penguindeb>hi, anyone avail. for support questions?
22:39<gsimmons>penguindeb: Just go ahead and describe your problem.
22:39<penguindeb>ok, I'm trying to use tor in debian but when I enable tor, I cannot access internet
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22:41<penguindeb>I get messages: The proxy server is refusing connections
22:41<gabrieluk>hi.im new to debian,and i want to install it.what would be easier,create a new partition in my pc or install it using virtual box?
22:42<penguindeb>and: Iceweasel is configured to use a proxy server that is refusing connections.
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22:45<penguindeb>hello? I guess no one can help?
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22:45<Tiff>err
22:45<Tiff>use tor with privoxy
22:45<Tiff>not directly
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22:46<penguindeb>Tiff: okay, two questions then.... 1) why? 2) then, I have to uninstall polipo, right?
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22:47<Tiff>tbh, i'm not answering these basic questions. go research the topic, it's documented in several places. its a common setup and there's tons of info on it.
22:48<Tiff>http://www.google.com
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22:49<penguindeb>yet it doesn't work with standard setup
22:50<penguindeb>you think I didn't google this?
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22:52<amitz>penguindeb: there is a question of whether you have set up tor correctly, whatever that means?
22:52<Tiff>https://www.torproject.org/docs/tor-doc-unix.html.en#polipo
22:53<Tiff>those docs are for tor + polipo. you followed this, including confiruing polipo to use TOR and confirmed its listening on local port to connect your browser to?
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22:54<penguindeb>I thought I did.... I read all that but still not working
22:55<penguindeb>I tried it in windows xp an it works
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22:55<penguindeb>amitz: I don't know what I'm doing wrong
22:55<amitz>penguindeb: descriptive error message or definition of not working, at what point?
22:56<penguindeb>when I enable tor via the browser, there is no link to the internet
22:56<penguindeb>or, I should say, the proxy is not connecting?
22:56<amitz>have you done what Tiff sugggested?
22:57<penguindeb>proxy server
22:57<penguindeb>no, not yet
22:57<penguindeb>I didn't think I would need privoxy
22:57<Tiff>you don't
22:57<Tiff>you use either privoxy or polipo. not both.
22:57<Tiff>polipo should be listening on localhost port 8118
22:58<Tiff>confirm that first
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22:58<Tiff>it will be in netstat -l
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22:59<Tiff>http://localhost:8123
22:59<Tiff>that should also connect to polipo's web interface
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23:00<penguindeb>how do I confirm it?
23:00<Tiff><Tiff> it will be in netstat -l
23:00<penguindeb>8123 is not open?
23:01<Tiff>you should see 8118 and 8123 listening
23:01<penguindeb>i don't know this stuff... where is netstat?
23:01<Tiff>grr
23:01<penguindeb>8123: "This address is restricted."
23:01<penguindeb>:-(
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23:02<Tiff>http://localhost:8123/polipo/status?
23:02<Tiff>can you see this page
23:02<penguindeb>nope :(
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23:03<penguindeb>what can i do?
23:03<penguindeb>very frustrating
23:03<Tiff>netstat -l | grep 8118
23:04<Tiff>put that in a terminal
23:04<Tiff>what does it return
23:04<penguindeb>I would even read what I need to learn but not sure what
23:04<penguindeb>ok, wait
23:05<penguindeb>no output
23:05<penguindeb>so both ports aren't listening or?
23:05<Tiff>k your proxy isn't listening and is misconfigured, not installed or not set up correctly.
23:06<penguindeb>oh
23:06<penguindeb>I installed tor via synaptic and it looked up to date
23:06<penguindeb>not sure what I did wrong
23:06<Tiff>not tor
23:06<Tiff>polipo
23:06<Tiff>is the problem
23:07<penguindeb>oh
23:07<penguindeb>i installed that via snaptic too
23:07<Tiff>dpkg -l | grep polipo
23:07<dpkg>ii | grep polipo 3.3-15 ultra s3kr1t #debian package
23:07<Tiff>wat does that return
23:07<Tiff>pls
23:08<penguindeb>ii polipo 1.0.4.1-1.1 a small, caching web proxy
23:08<Tiff>ok
23:08<Tiff>did you do as the manual said and copy their config?
23:08<Tiff>https://gitweb.torproject.org/torbrowser.git/blob_plain/HEAD:/build-scripts/config/polipo.conf
23:08<penguindeb>yes, no difference
23:08<Tiff>that belongs in /etc/polipo/config
23:08<penguindeb>i left as default and then copied their config but no difference
23:09<Tiff>did you restart polipo
23:09<Tiff>sudo invoke-rc.d polipo restart
23:09<penguindeb>i thought so
23:09<penguindeb>i didn't that way
23:10<Tiff>pls just try that now
23:10<penguindeb>ok
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23:12<penguindeb>worked
23:12<Tiff>you can browse now?
23:14<penguindeb>yes
23:14<penguindeb>Thank you, Tiff!
23:14<Tiff>alright
23:15<penguindeb>so, it was the config file not set up properly?
23:15<penguindeb>because I didn't use the modified config file?
23:15<Tiff>that'd have caused your issue, yes
23:15<penguindeb>oh, okay
23:15<Tiff>when you change a config the daemon must be restarted
23:15<Tiff>or it will still use the old one
23:15<penguindeb>right
23:15<penguindeb>stupid me, sorry
23:16<Tiff>it happens
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23:16<penguindeb>i thought it would have restarted for some reason... i didn't know I needed a manual restart
23:17<penguindeb>you know your stuff...thanks for your help!
23:17<Tiff>have fun
23:17<penguindeb>can i ask you how you learned this stuff?
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23:18<penguindeb>what should i read?
23:18<Tiff>training and using *nix for a long time.
23:19<Tiff>how long have you been using linux?
23:19<penguindeb>not long
23:19<penguindeb>not doing complicated tasks like I should
23:19<Tiff>there ya go then. you will learn through use, setting things up like you're doing, reading stuff, etc.
23:19<penguindeb>yeah, I hope so
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23:20<penguindeb>several years but I don't have a good grasp of the fundamentals, I guess
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23:20<penguindeb>which distro do you use?
23:20<Tiff>slackware/debian
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23:20<penguindeb>oh
23:20<Tiff>but also fedora for servers... lots
23:21<penguindeb>never used slackware... saw it installed on a system once, though
23:21<penguindeb>oh
23:21<Tiff>right tool for the right job :P
23:21<penguindeb>I usually have debian and fedora installed on my system to learn
23:21<penguindeb>right
23:21<Tiff>it's all good. :)
23:21<Tiff>stick with it and you'll pick stuff up
23:21<penguindeb>i hope so
23:21<Tiff>its hard initially
23:22<Tiff>but worthwhile
23:22<penguindeb>yeah
23:22<Tiff>lots of ppl see a learning curve and run off back to Windows.
23:22<Tiff>which is prob the most appropriate OS for them, I guess
23:22<penguindeb>i usually have a windows machine beside me but I force myself to go back to linux...lol
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23:23<penguindeb>yes, a shame but true
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23:23<Roofus901>hi all
23:23<Roofus901>squeeze has been doing something very odd lately
23:23<Roofus901>i can't figure out if it's the web browser or the movie player that's causing this major slowdown issue
23:23<penguindeb>Tiff: what did you mean by training? You train ppl?
23:24<penguindeb>btw, what DE do you use?
23:24<Roofus901>but it seems that when i listen to shoutcast internet radio on the movie player and am on iceweasel for an extended period of time it slows to a crawl
23:24<Tiff>flux
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23:24<penguindeb>oh
23:24<Roofus901>anyone else had this problem?
23:24<penguindeb>I used fluxbox I think when I was trying out knoppmyth... i didn't like it ;)
23:24<Roofus901>i'm on debian squeeze amd64 btw
23:24<amitz>Roofus901: see your memory usage over time. Use free . Note about http://www.linuxatemyram.com/
23:25<penguindeb>i was in early stages of linux then... even less of a clue then now... :)
23:25<Tiff>penguindeb: and i have computing background, Bsc (Hons.) in Computing/Networking. hold CCNA networking certs and random others. Not specific to Linux but helps.
23:25<penguindeb>Tiff: 'you think i have any future in computing? lol I am trying to learn/improve
23:26<Roofus901>amitz, thx, so basically i just wait and it'll pass right?
23:26<Tiff>penguindeb: well I dont exactly know too much about you, but you can have a future in whatever you want if you focus and that's what you wanna do.
23:26<penguindeb>isn't there a command to look at memory usage of apps? like cpu power used?
23:26<penguindeb>top?
23:26<amitz>Roofus901: no, I mean check if it's something leaking memory that makes you run out of memory hence slower
23:27<Tiff>im afk for a lil bit now anyway, ciao
23:27<Roofus901>ah, ya because even my mouse teleports lol
23:27<penguindeb>Tiff: yeah, that's a good way to look at it ;)
23:27<penguindeb>Tiff: ok, ciao... thanks again
23:27<amitz>ah yes, top can be used too for per app load/
23:27<penguindeb>I also need to read more closely, sometimes... maybe I have add :-/
23:28<penguindeb>i thought maybe roofus should run it when the slowdown is happening
23:28<Roofus901>ah, i c, well you see, when i'm doing anything else it runs great, just under the combo of iceweasel and movie player that this happens about 20 minutes into it
23:28<Roofus901>so what is it that i need to run?
23:29<amitz>running it before and after is for comparing with a base line.
23:29<Roofus901>the free -m command?
23:29<penguindeb>what are you doing in iceweasel?
23:30<Roofus901>well, at the time i was sitting in que for ea.com's live chat for support
23:30<Roofus901>and on the movie player i was listening to internet radio
23:30<penguindeb>isn't that a flash thing?
23:30<Roofus901>i think so
23:30*amitz hands over the baton
23:30<penguindeb>nonono ;)
23:30<Roofus901>rofl
23:30<penguindeb>amitz is the expert...
23:31<penguindeb>i don't know anything
23:31<Roofus901>i believe that it is flash based
23:31<penguindeb>I'm just trying to return the favor of helping if anything I say helps by some miracle
23:31<Roofus901>could it have been flash that caused the leak?
23:31<amitz>well, identifying problem first I guess. Does firefox restart help?
23:32<Roofus901>i don't know, it ran so slow i actually resorted to hitting the reset button
23:32<Roofus901>it was taking 2+ minutes for 1 click to respond
23:32<penguindeb>what's your system hardware, roofus? and internet speed?
23:33<Roofus901>though, movie player was playing internet radio yestarday with no issue and i was on iceweasel no prob
23:33<penguindeb>could be bandwidth, too? i dunno... sounds like streaming video/audio but it's buckling when they're both running
23:33<amitz>woah, slow down. relevant questions first
23:33<Roofus901>3.6 ghz intel dual core | geforce gts 250 | 2gb of pny ram
23:33<sney>iceweasel loves the taste of your ram
23:33<Roofus901>1tb hd
23:33<sney>mmm, ram.
23:34<Roofus901>is there a more recommended browser to use?
23:34<penguindeb>yeah, doesn't look like hardware prob... yeah, sorry, amitz...good point to slow down ;)
23:35<penguindeb>see if it happens when using chrome
23:35<amitz>penguindeb: nah, it's just that in my experience too much information can confuse people too :-p
23:35<penguindeb>amitz: yeah, my experience, too... especially me...lol
23:36<Roofus901>so google's browser is top notch? i've never used it
23:36<amitz>Roofus901: one cause of slowing down is the so called disk trashing. That can happens if you run out of memory and starts using swap heavily. So free -m just after restart and when things are getting slow, see if you run out of memory.
23:36<penguindeb>Roofus901: you said, there are times when it didn't happen so you need to isolate what conditions cause it to happen?
23:36<amitz>Roofus901: fwiw, I don't use swap.
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23:36<amitz>penguindeb++
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23:37<Roofus901>true
23:38<penguindeb>amitz: don't use swap???
23:38<penguindeb>2gb sounds okay, though, but that is a good point... seeing what happens to memory usage
23:38<Roofus901>well, i know i didn't setup a swap disc
23:39<penguindeb>might as well look at anything and eliminate possible culprits
23:39<Roofus901>kk
23:39<Roofus901>will do, i'll go check that and i'll brb
23:39<Roofus901>thx again :D
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23:39<penguindeb>i don't know what to believe about swap anymore ;)
23:39<jester45>Roofus901, you can use a swap file use dd and mkswap
23:39<penguindeb>some say 2x your ram and some say you don't really need it!
23:40<jester45>you only need if it your using more ram than you have physical. but if you are pushing it adding swap is a good idea
23:40<penguindeb>jester45: ahhhh... ok, thanks
23:40<penguindeb>that makes sense
23:41<penguindeb>i have 4gb of ddr2 ram but i don't think I'll be doing anything that will push it
23:41<amitz>penguindeb: there are advantages and disadvantages of swap
23:41<penguindeb>i'm re-doing my system soon, though
23:41<penguindeb>amitz: what's the disadv.?
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23:41<penguindeb>i was going to have a 320gb HDD with virtualbox running debian testing
23:42<amitz>penguindeb: slowing down leading to lost of interactivity instead of just crash one or two processes.
23:43<jester45>if you have 2 GB but are using 1/2 of it you might want to think about adding some swap, i have 16gb and never use over a 2 or 3 so i dont worry about it. but if i use 10gb or so ill add a few GB of swap
23:44<amitz>penguindeb: that is painful if you run a dedicated server you don't have to physically, meaning that you have to order someone in the data center to restart your server.
23:44<amitz>don't have access to physically
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23:45<penguindeb>amitz: ah, i see....
23:45<amitz>penguindeb: but then, if you disk is good enough, you may be able to afford swapping a few hundred MBs
23:46<amitz>or GBs. I don't really know the "safe" value.
23:46<jester45>well im talking about my desktop... if a program crashes on it i don't care too much
23:46<amitz>jester45: yeah, so adv, disadv, just pick your poison :-p
23:47<jester45>well you can't add too much swap, it just wont be used
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23:48<jester45>the one good thing about always having swap is that programs that are doing nothing can be swapped out and more ram used for cache. but if you use that program you'll get a delay while its swapped back in
23:48<amitz>jester45: well, you usually lost interactivity first before using too much swap anyway, which means you can't even runn any app to check your swap usage at that moment :-p
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23:49<jester45>depends on what your programs are doing :) you can have 10s of GB of memory used while not using 100% cpu. then it will just take "forever" for programs to run
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23:52<anaxito>hola
23:52<jester45>i wonder if the kernel has a limit to its swap... other than a total limit on memory
23:52<jester45>like it cant handle > 100gb of swap :)
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23:55<Visetax>Has anyone else ever had a problem booting the debian installer on a blank harddrive with no OS installed?
23:55<Visetax>Instead of going to the installer when I boot it just says "Failed to load OS"
23:55<jester45>64 bit 2.6 kernel, 128 swap areas are permitted, each 16 Tb if you were wondering.
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23:56<Visetax>I've tried the i386 version of 507 and squeeze both and neither works
23:56<jester45>Visetax, make sure your booting to the installer, that sounds like your computer is trying the harddrive
23:56<Visetax>i have the cd drive set as my primary boot device
23:57<Visetax>i've already checked that
23:57<jester45>does it attempt to read it on boot?
23:57<Visetax>the reading lights on the drive light up but it never reads it
23:58<Visetax>I read on the debian website that it was an issue with older machines (this machine is a p3 450 mhz)
23:59<jester45>do you have an extra computer to test the disk on, either booting the computer to the installer or just opening the disk in windows
23:59<Visetax>I used the disk on that computer when it had windows on it i installed the installer in windows then used the installer partition
23:59<jester45>s/windows/any other os
23:59<Visetax>but now i've formatted it again and i can't find my windows disk
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