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---Logopened Mon Dec 27 00:00:02 2010
---Daychanged Mon Dec 27 2010
00:00<Visetax>and it wont boot to the debian disk for some reason
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00:00<jester45>do you happen to have a link to that post
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00:01<Visetax>its the readme.html included in the iso
00:01<Visetax>"For the impatient ones: you can start the installation program easily by booting off this disc. Note that not all (esp. older) systems support this. You can also examine the /install/ directory; you might be able to start the installation system directly from there."
00:01<jester45>has that machine ever booted to a cd before?
00:02<Visetax>windows
00:03<Visetax>im wondering if i need to find the drivers for my cd drive and include them in the firmware folder
00:03<Visetax>i just thought of that
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00:03<jester45>i think they are saying old = before cd drives were common in computers. but i may be wrong
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00:04<jester45>i dont think you would. your BIOS should be at least booting the installer's menu. then its up to debian to support the drive
00:04<Visetax>its not booting grub at all
00:05<Visetax>the confusing part is that i borrowed a squeeze disk from a friend to test it out too and it boots the installer but its for amd64
00:05<Visetax>so it boots grub
00:05<Visetax>and says wrong architecture
00:05<Visetax>the one that is the right architecture will not boot grub
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00:09<tawn>how can i go about parsing the output of a command like grep or ldd so i can use just one element like a filename?
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00:11<jester45>sed and/or awk, youll have to find a guide on how to use them
00:11<tawn>ok
00:12<Visetax>jester
00:12<jester45>Visetax, that info might be helpful but i know very little about the installer/bootup of the cds
00:12<Visetax>I think I found it
00:13<Visetax>in the installer.amd there is install.bat and vmlinuz
00:13<Visetax>in the 507 it isnt there in teh squeeze disk it is
00:13<Visetax>im going to write them to the 507 disk
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00:13<jester45>the .amd? your on a i386
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00:14<Visetax>i know
00:14<Visetax>i modified the batch files
00:14<Visetax>for 386
00:14<Visetax>from 64 bit
00:14<Visetax>but
00:14<Visetax>it still didnt work
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00:16<Visetax>it has to be a structural difference in the way the disks are set up with the batch files though
00:16<Visetax>if one is booting to the loader and the other is not
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00:17<jester45>i do not see the installer using a batch file to boot being correct. are you sure the batch file isnt to start the install from windows
00:20<Visetax>could be
00:20<Visetax>the only other thing is a firmware folder on the 64 bit one and not on the i386
00:20<Visetax>there is a all_firmware.deb inside that folder
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00:21<Visetax>maybe ill try the firmware and see if that works
00:21<Visetax> /sigh lol
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00:51<erickom>Hi all!
00:52<erickom>Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!
00:53<erickom>I'm trying to install VMware Workstation on my Debian Testing without success
00:54<erickom>The Virtual Network device won't wanted to start?
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00:55<mustafa>hhi
00:55<mustafa>hi
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00:58<erickom>Please Can You help me for that issue ?
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01:06<amitz>need trigger for intelligent question.
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02:01<jhs>出来一个认识中文的......
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02:12<Umesh>hi
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04:13<Jessica_>Hello everyone !
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04:14<Jessica_>I have a problem with aptitude
04:14<Jessica_>when aptitude try to use wget in order to download some things, it says "unable to access host"
04:15<Jessica_>I have disable ipv6 on my computer
04:15<Jessica_>but it still doesn't work
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04:50<bluenemo>hi guys. i've tried to run lxde inside kvm but it doesnt really work (all opend windows get viewed wrong, clip around and stuff..) what am i doing wrong?
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04:57<Switch>bluenemo: type cookie
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04:59<bluenemo>Switch, what do you mean?
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05:13<irong33k>anyone knows around through using ratpoison?
05:14<irong33k>i have a problem adding it to ~/xinitrc
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05:23<pasquik>hello, i am using the following partition layout LVM -> CRYPT - > RAID1 for a fresh sid install on amd64 platform. Only /boot is on a standard primary partition.. and I am experiencing unclean shutdown ( lvm unmounted uncorrectly, mdadm not stopped correctly - obviuosly and so on) any ideas?
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05:39<valdyn>pasquik: why would that be a problem?
05:39<valdyn>pasquik: userspace cannot shut down the root fs, that might be the only reason why you see the error
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06:18<pasquik>valdyn: Always seeing a "failed" is rather ugly ( Nerd sentence ), but could lead to data corruption, for example; just for more details, actually root I am experiencing this problem as root ..
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06:29<troulouliou>hi i have some problem after an upgrade with libgl
06:29<troulouliou>glxinfo: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libGL.so.1: undefined symbol: _nv000132gl
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06:32<Guest2416>good next jar
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06:32<vidkun>i'm trying to create a usb boot disk for debian netinstall, but so far i have only managed to produce a PRESS ENTER TO REBOOT message when booting from the stick -- suggestions?
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06:36<raffaele>hi
06:36<raffaele>someone can help me with dzen2 & conky?
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06:40<raffaele>this is what I have in ~/.config/i3/config: exec conky -b -c ~/.conkyrc | i3-wsbar --command "dzen2 -dock -x %x -l"
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06:41<raffaele>conky is correctly displayed in the bar but if I put inside of it ^fg(somecolor) it displays just that string and doesn't color the text
06:41<raffaele>any hints?
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06:53<william3>I'm having trouble setting up vnstat. I've installed it, but it's unable to read interfaces eth0 and eth1
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06:56<william3>Ah, got it working :p
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07:07<valdyn>pasquik: system shutdown is always done as root, so I have no idea what you means by "as root". The root *fs* cannot be shut down by userspace, that is why debian will *always* show an error on a setup like yours
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07:12<Simy>What do i need to install to make it so when accessing my windoze partition it does not ask for the root password, and for installing/updating packages? I thought there was some sort of sudo plugin for gnome or something, like what ubuntu has
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07:14<Simy>welcome back lordguinness
07:14<lordguinness>hi Simy
07:15<lordguinness>what are you talking about ?
07:15<Simy>Instead of asking for my password to execute a gui as sudo, its asking for root password.
07:16<Simy>my root password is obscenely long, and it gets annoying when I just want to mount a file system, or update the system through the gui instead of the terminal.
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07:16<Simy>for example with the terminal sudo /bin/commandXYZ asks for my user password.
07:17<lordguinness>you could modify your sudoers file for that
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07:19<lordguinness>simy ALL=NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/apt-get or something like that. I always thought this file is for issues like yours.
07:19<valdyn>lordguinness: thats not what he wants
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07:20<valdyn>lordguinness: his sudo is fine, its just not being used by his graphical desktop
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07:21<lordguinness>for gui isn't gksudo the right choice?
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07:22<valdyn>Simy: run "gksu-properties" and change the authentication mode
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07:25<Simy>thanks valdyn
07:26<Simy>lordguinness, as a matter of preference I don't like being able to sudo without putting in my password ;)
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07:27<lordguinness>it was just an example. no password is never good :) I thave to tell this to my friends all the time but the don't believe me..;)
07:27<Simy>valdyn, do i need to log out//back in for that to take affect?
07:27<valdyn>Simy: i dont think so
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07:28<valdyn>Simy: gksu might not be what your programs are using though
07:28<Simy>lordguinness, some people sudo at random too, they sudo everything even if they dont have to, they are the ones that tend to do the no password sudo :/
07:28<Simy>valdyn, I'll try installing something..
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07:29<valdyn>Simy: try looking at the command line that is run when you start your package manager
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07:29<Simy>I'm giving gnomes admin tools a try for once... but I think ill go back to the shell, lol
07:29<valdyn>Simy: or whatever
07:29<Simy>valdyn, hmm, not a bad idea
07:31<lordguinness>anybody there with experience in pacemaker,openais and corosync ? I've made a testsetup but after rebooting the cluster won't come online.
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07:31<lordguinness>after reboot i first have to kill corosync with killall and then restart it. Then everything is fine again.
07:31<Simy>valdyn, I failed my login just to get this message: WARNING:root:_on_trans_error: org.freedesktop.PolicyKit.Error.NotAuthorized: ('system-bus-name', {'name': ':1.159'}): org.debian.apt.install-packages
07:32<Simy>somewhere its stuck on using gksu or su instead of gksudo or sudo
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07:34<Simy>I'm so out of my element here, its not even funny.
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07:36<Simy>I'm listed as "administrator" on the account type... I think I need to find and RTFM
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07:44<Simy>I'm back, it looks as though I found a bug...
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07:47<Simy>maybe not a bug so much as an inconvenience, think the fix is in the bug report though, yay :)
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07:50<Simy>hmmm it says to enable the gconf key in /apps/gksu/sudo-mode but it is infact enabled
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07:56<Simy>valdyn, do you have any other ideas?
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08:06<Simy>Ok, some programs respect it, some programs don't!
08:06<Simy>I give up for now.. ttyl
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08:32<Anon35>yo, today my audio suddenly stopped working. i am using alsamixer, everything is set to 100% tried vlc and smplayer. any idea?
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08:38<bartm>dpkg, tell Anon35 about alsa-checklist
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08:41<kubbur>help channel ?
08:41<bartm>y
08:41<kubbur>http://pastebin.com/KLaPwAZH can someone help me with this
08:42<Anon35>i have gone through the alsa-checklist. still not working ...
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08:46<MAXmark>Danas točno u 14h je krenilo emitiranje pokusnih programa HRT3,HRT4,RtL2 i DOMA Tv.Treba uključiti automatsko traženje programa na Digitalnim prijamnicima da bi dodali te programe
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08:46<bartm>MAXmark, here english only please
08:47<MAXmark>Sorry
08:47<MAXmark>Wrong channel
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08:51<pasquik>valdyn: sorry my misunderstanding ( and also ignorance.) ..I thought that did you mean with "userspace" that I had attempted a shutdown as normal user: yes, this have no sense....I've read around some ideas about this "http://wiki.debian.org/AdvancedStartupShutdownWithMultilayeredBlockDevices" and "http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel/1003210" ..the people generally disagree with this kind of behaviour for vari
08:51<pasquik>ous reasons ...but simplifying the concerns...did you mean that is enough safe to accept this behaviour "as is" without expect any kind of problematic inheritance?
08:51<pasquik>thank you
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09:00<Anon35>what does dpkg in the alsa-checklist mean by "toggle jack sense"?
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09:11<patopanamenho>hi, im having problems with my VLC video player, can anyone help me out?
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09:11<bartm>patopanamenho, describe the problem
09:13<patopanamenho>it doesnt work at all! :P first I thought the problem was with .rmvb, but since yesterday its not working with any format
09:13<patopanamenho>i recently moved from ubuntu to debian
09:14<patopanamenho>recently = 3 days ago
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09:24<ballison>in debian - where can i find the actual .deb's ?
09:24<ballison>when i ftp to ftp.debian.org and cd down the tree I always end with "Packages.bz2"
09:25<ballison>with RedHat you end with the actual rpm's you can wget and install directly.
09:25<ballison>is there anything like that in debian/
09:25<f8l>ballison: They are in pool directory.
09:26<f8l>ballison: Also you can `aptitude download foo`.
09:26<ballison>i don't see a "pool" under /dist/lenny
09:26<ballison>i don't know the package name, i want to see a list.
09:26<f8l>ballison: Because it's higher up the tree.
09:27<f8l>ballison: Aptitude is able to show you the list of available packages.
09:27<bartm>ballison, http://ftp.debian.org/pool/main/x/xchat/
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09:28<ballison>does "dpkg -l" list packages actually installed or list packages that _can_ be installed?
09:28<bartm>ballison, installed
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09:30<ballison>i'm trying to find if debian has a "big memory" kernel already pre-built i can just apt-get install.
09:30-!-sakrayaami [~sakrayaam@87-126-29-194.btc-net.bg] has joined #debian
09:30<sakrayaami>hi there
09:30<bartm>ballison, try this: apt-cache search <keyword>
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09:30<sakrayaami>:) yes this is the help channel :)
09:30<f8l>sakrayaami: Hello.
09:30<sakrayaami>Hello f8l
09:31<sakrayaami>i'm really happy
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09:31<sakrayaami>that ive migrated to debian
09:31<sakrayaami>after 2 years in ubuntu
09:31<f8l>ballison: IIRC the big-mem kernel is now in the normal kernel package.
09:31<ballison>f8l: is there a way i can test/verify that ?
09:31<bartm>sakrayaami, what made you upgrade to debian ?
09:32<ballison>does the big-mem kernel load any special modules that would flag it as a big memory kernel?
09:32<ballison>or anything in /proc ?
09:32<gsimmons>kubbur: Jolicloud is not supported here, use #jolicloud on irc.freenode.net for support.
09:32<sakrayaami>my main machine is still using Ubuntu but now im making tests on my virtual machine
09:32<sakrayaami>with debian lenny
09:32<sakrayaami>which compare to ubuntu
09:32<f8l>sakrayaami: I'm happy too, but for your thoughts about it there's #debian-offtopic. ;-)
09:32<f8l>ballison: I don't know.
09:32<sakrayaami>is using only what you need
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09:33<sakrayaami>xfce is really
09:33<sakrayaami>great graphic system
09:33<hogren>hello world
09:33<sakrayaami>sorry
09:33<sakrayaami>im need help
09:33<sakrayaami>from someone
09:33<f8l>hogren: Hello.
09:33<hogren>i have a problem :)
09:33<sakrayaami>because more then 4 days
09:33<f8l>sakrayaami: Just ask you question.
09:33<ballison>f8l: I need to install the "big memory" kernel on our device before shipping it. not sure which debian kernel is "big memory"
09:33<sakrayaami>im trying
09:33<hogren>please help me.
09:33<sakrayaami>to install flash
09:34<sakrayaami>in mozilla
09:34<hogren>i am on debian 5.4
09:34<sakrayaami>ive tried gnash
09:34<bartm>sakrayaami, try describing the problem with hitting enter only once
09:34<sakrayaami>ok
09:34<hogren>i take a upgrade on sid repository
09:34<hogren>and now my résolution is 1024x768
09:34<f8l>ballison: They were suffixed with big-mem IIRC.
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09:34<hogren>before that, it was 144x900
09:35<hogren>1400
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09:35<hogren>sorry bartm
09:35<ballison>f8l: i've installed 2.6.26. i don't see any kernels in debian suffixed with big-mem
09:35<f8l>hogren: You should not upgrade to sid if you are unable to solve such problems on you own.
09:36<f8l>ballison: Is it a 64-bit machine?
09:36<ballison>oh i see it now.
09:36<sakrayaami>Im trying to install flash player in my firefox browser. Im using Debian Lenny 5.0 stable. Ive removed iceweasel and installed firefox. Now i cannot understand how to install flash player in it.
09:36<ballison>yeah
09:36<bartm>hogren, if you have gnome, try System/Preferences/Screen Resolution
09:36<ballison>linux-image-2.6.26-2-686-bigmem
09:36<hogren>bartm no lxde
09:36<hogren>f8l ???
09:36<ragnar>hi all, i'm running squeeze and i need the devel package for gimp ( something like gimp-dev ) but i do not find it in apt. how do i get them?
09:37<bartm>sakrayaami, don't use firefox on debian - use iceweasel
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09:38<sakrayaami>ok and is there a way to use firefox ?
09:38<bartm>ragnar, apt-cache search gimp|grep dev
09:38<f8l>ragnar: Try to search for libgimp(something)-dev
09:38<bartm>sakrayaami, yes, use iceweasel (it's the same as firefox, just renamed)
09:38<ballison>now i have a hard question. we have a product we sell that has a SPLASH screen before grub loads and after you select the kernel, but when i install a standard debian kernel to boot via grub the splash screen is replaced by a pengiun screen. how do i fix this? i need to replace the pengiun splash with the company logo splash
09:38<ompaul>ragnar: apt-cache search gimp | grep dev and when you are frustrated you you might look for the apt-get source gimp
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09:39<hogren>My probleme, i have debian 5.4 with LXDE, i toke apt-get upgrade with sid repository, but now my maximum résolution (xrandr) is 1024x768 (before : 1400x900)
09:39<f8l>hogren: You can't set the resolution or you just don't know how to do it?
09:39<devil>hogren: mv xorg.conf
09:40<ragnar>bartm: it's called libgimp2.0-dev :(
09:40<bartm>ragnar, why the sad face?
09:40<hogren>f8l i cant set
09:41<ragnar>because of the packeage name. my first guess was gimp-dev(el)
09:41<ompaul>ragnar: that is for addons, you may want apt-get source gimp
09:41<hogren>devil i test rename its
09:41<hogren>i come back
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09:42<ragnar>ompaul: i'm trying to build an addon
09:42<bartm>ragnar, to develop one or to download and compile one? maybe it's already in debian
09:42<ragnar>i use fedora at home but here at work i'm always searching
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09:45<ompaul>ballison: before grub is a hardware bios hack and after it splashy may be the answer not 100% sure but better for you to rule it in or out as needs be
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09:48<ragnar>ok, bye and thx so far.
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09:48<ballison>ompaul: well i get a different splash screen based on which kernel i select
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09:48<ompaul>ballison: that figures
09:49<ballison>ompaul: so the splash has to be defined in the kernel image somewhere
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09:49<ballison>if i could find the command that puts the image in the kernel (reconfigure--**?) then I could figure out how they did it. What happened is I upgraded the kernel and the company splash screen is gone now.
09:50<ompaul>ballison: check splashy and what its interaction with initrd is
09:51<ompaul>ballison: obviously someone hacked the kernel and offered the gpl with the modification there should be a stock source tree
09:51<ompaul>and some inmages in there
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09:53<user01>Mmmm no squeeze release date yet? Thought there might be one be the time i got back from christmas
09:53<user01>it will be ready when its ready :)
09:53<ompaul>user01: you will get squeeze when (repeat after me "When it is ready" ;-)
09:54<user01>i know i know, it just seemed so close a month ago
09:54<ompaul>devil: I thought you had a comment about this!
09:54<user01>i just hope my initally guess of march is wrong and it comes out earlier
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09:55<user01>s/initially/initial
09:55<devil>hell yeah
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09:55<devil>squeeze will be released, on ay totaly uneducated guess, on March 17th 2011
09:55<user01>once it was frozen i guessed the first week of march
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10:00<user01>there needs to be a pool for it once frozen :)
10:00<user01>i suggest that every release cycle
10:01<ompaul>now you are beginning to sound like a cadence loving cosmonaut
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10:13<e9ck3r>sicelo are you here?
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10:21<e9ck3r>Can anyone help me about kinit bug no resume image in debian?
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10:27<ershad>Hai all, I would like to clarify some doubts. Is Debian-testing has separate ISO images and installer?
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10:27<cthuluh>ershad: yes
10:27<cthuluh>e9ck3r: are you sure it is a bug?
10:28<e9ck3r>yes i look in googling
10:28<ershad>cthuluh: Thank you. I don't have a speedy internet connection, will I be able to install packages offline smoothly ?
10:28<e9ck3r>i need how to know the resolution of my screen and then i can do it my self
10:29<e9ck3r>ershad: in debian
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10:30<cthuluh>ershad: see apt-zip and apt-offline
10:30<ershad>Nice :) How many DVDs should I get (From http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/squeeze_di_beta2/i386/bt-dvd/) to install a working system with necessary packages?
10:30<ershad>cthuluh: Sure
10:31<e9ck3r>cthuluh: how can i know the resolution of my screen in debian please?
10:32<cthuluh>e9ck3r: see xrandr if you're using Xorg
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10:33<e9ck3r>cthuluh : xrandr is a command?
10:34<ershad>e9ck3r: yes
10:34<cthuluh>e9ck3r: man -k xrandr, man xrandr would have given you the answer ;)
10:35<ershad>cthuluh: May i know about the number of DVDs required to install a basic system ?
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10:35<e9ck3r>cthuluh: ok now i have to go i wiil be back in ten minutes
10:35<cthuluh>ershad: zero
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10:35<e9ck3r>cthuluh: if i have more problems i will ask to you
10:35<e9ck3r>cthuluh: thanks
10:35<cthuluh>e9ck3r: you should ask the whole channel.
10:35<ershad>cthuluh: wow :) you mean a single CD is enough ? :)
10:36<e9ck3r>okok
10:36<cthuluh>ershad: a very basic system only requires the netinstall CD, which is 160MB
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10:36<ershad>cthuluh: That sounds awesome :)
10:37<ershad>cthuluh: I've 1st disk of Debian 5, stable.. May I know whether it's possible to make it 'testing'?
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10:38<cthuluh>to update a CD, there's the jigdo method
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10:38<cthuluh>ershad: but between stable and testing very few packages didn't change
10:38<ershad>without internet? I mean, through getting offline packages>
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10:39<cthuluh>oh. well... you can install the squeeze version.
10:39<cthuluh>I don't know how apt-offline or apt-zip handle this
10:39<ershad>cthuluh: I see. I'm looking for a version that supports new packages. I got a suggestion that debian sqeeze is nice.
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10:40<cthuluh>ershad: maybe should you wait for squeeze becoming stable?
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10:40<ershad>cthuluh: I would like to experiment too :) and report bugs, if found.
10:41<cthuluh>I don't use testing anymore, so I don't know whether there are much packages updates or not
10:41<cthuluh>cool
10:41<ershad>I will try getting the sqeeze DVDs and install. Thank you so much for your kind help. Nice day :)
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10:45<cthuluh>ershad: good luck. and try to get internet access ;)
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10:47<ershad>cthuluh: Thanks. Sure
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10:52<teq>olaa
10:52<teq>hello
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10:55<ballison>hello - i need help with a splash screen. i have it working in grub and on reboot. BUT not after you select the kernel. I get the penguin screen when the loading bar screen comes up
10:55<ballison>so after the grub kernel selection screen
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10:55<ballison>so before selecting a kernel i have the correct screen. which means the splash line in the menu.lst is working.
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10:56<ballison>what's not working is AFTER i select my kernel i get the penguin screen while the bar loads (i'm assuming rc scripts running) before the system comes up.
10:56<ballison>how do i replace the penguin screen with my logo ?
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10:58<ballison>i guess this would be the screen splashy uses?
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10:59<smv>ballison, indeed. perhaps you should read it's documentation
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11:02<smv>ballison, i'd say that plymouth might be easier to use/change, atleast that's how it looks for me. i'm not using it, just saw it working ootb a few times, using the squeeze theme.
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11:03<ballison>looking at splashy now. gonna try to disable it and see if that works. because i already have the splash screen in grub correct
11:03<ballison>splashy is getting it's own theme ontop of it.
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11:05<ballison>hmm splashy appears configured correctly.
11:06<ballison>and i just checked the background.png in /usr/share/spashy/themes/mycurrenttheme/ and it's correct
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11:08<sakrayaami>Hi, im using xfce on debian lenny 6.0. When i make shortcuts on the taskbar using add new item - > launcher and select icon for the shortcut, from where can i find the icons stored in debian?
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11:08<ballison>and what's more confusing is i'm getting the correct splash screen on reboot/shutdown - so i know splashy is getting the right splash screen
11:09<ballison>at least on shutdown, but not start up
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11:12<ballison>so why am i getting the penguin then on start up?
11:12<ballison>i do get a bunch of rc script output before the splash screen comes up, (after I select the kernel).
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11:16<ballison>it doesn't make sense why splashy would work on reboot/shutdown but not on startup...
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11:17<ballison>it's giving me the default/background.png on startup
11:17<Sicelo>ballison, i'm not 100% sure about these things, but there are 6 levels of rc scripts... perhaps you need to
11:17<Sicelo>set it for maybe each level...
11:17<ballison>my runlevel is runlevel 2
11:18<ballison>oh that's weird. i replaced the default/background.png with my company's background.png and i still got the penguin and then it changed to the company one after about 2 seconds.
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11:19<ballison>i'm guessing that means i'm getting errors from rc scripts?
11:19<ballison>so i'm getting error.png and then background.png ?
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11:30<ballison>ok. now i'm baffled.
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11:30<ballison>i've removed ALL themes except my own, and i've removed the "default" theme and linked it back to my own.
11:31<ballison>and when i reboot i still get the default splashy penguin screen for like 2 seconds before it shows mine.
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11:32<kop>ballison: I'd say there's something happing at the boot loader level, like grub is also showing a spash screen and it must be re-installed or some such. (You could try "aptitude reinstall".)
11:33<kop>ballison: I could be completely wrong. Did you read the README.Debian or such in /usr/share/doc/spalshy....
11:33<ballison>kop: But grub is showing the correct splash screen
11:34<kop>ballison: Just guessing.
11:35<ballison>i have a splashimage= in grub/menu.lst and that works correctly.
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11:35<ballison>i added "vga=791 splash" to the kernel line and i get a graphic of a penguin for about two seconds before it loads the correct splash screen.
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11:38<kop>ballison: I don't know anything about it, but sounds like there's something in the kernel itself, or it's initrd. Maybe re-make the initrd (re-install the kernel or re-run mkinitramfs.)
11:38<georaldc>GUI
11:39<kop>ballison: What version of debian? I'm curious.
11:39<ballison>i got it
11:39<ballison>splashy_config --set-theme mytheme
11:39<ballison>and then i had to fix the kernel with update-initramfs -u
11:39<ballison>to make it take effect
11:39<kop>ballison: How did you discover this?
11:40<ballison>splashy_config --set-theme tells you when you run it "Run update-initramfs -u to update your initrd image
11:41<ballison>so it works now.
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11:48<kubbur>http://pastebin.com/KLaPwAZH can someone help me with this
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11:57<hpvincent>hi all, I am using xfce, and after a while, some applications when started have smaller and smaller fonts, to the point I cannot read anything at all
11:57<hpvincent>gtk applications
11:58<hpvincent>evince show PDF pages with a ridiculously small size
11:58<hpvincent>like a few centimiters, even though I asked it to fill the width
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12:21<penguindeb>Hi, I installed lxde as my default de..... does it use much resources to install another de such as xfce? and could i replace it with xfce? could i just remove/delete the lxde menu and desktop?
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12:24*EmleyMoor needs to repartition his laptop so is booting Parted Magic
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12:28<nadir>I think xfce is about 200MB in size to install it.
12:28<nadir>probably less.
12:28<nadir>It is not a problem.
12:28<nadir>Most easy: first install xfce, then remove lxde.
12:28<nadir>lxde is so small that it is of not much use to remove it.
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12:29<nadir>You will want xfce-goodies too ( i think, it is an editor and what not).
12:29<nadir>ok?
12:29<EmleyMoor>Wish I had LVM on my laptop - will change to it if ever I have to nuke and pave
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12:36<KM0201>i'm trying to figure out how to install frostwire on debian... i know it's a java problem, i have iced-tea installed from the repositories, yet I still http://pastebin.com/8w3AyhtR that error..
12:36<KM0201>so i installed java from sun's website.. same problem
12:36<KM0201>google seems to suggest it's a "symlink" error, but no real instructions on how to do it.
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12:37<Tiff>I suggest not using Frostwire. >_>
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12:37<KM0201>Tiff, well, i appreciate your sentiment... but..that doesn't really help muc
12:38<dvs>KM0201: you can install sun java from the contrib or non-free repos
12:38<sney>need to use update-alternatives to set java to sun's. or, remove openjdk and let it default by itself.
12:38<KM0201>dvs, thats what i thought, i have all the repos enabled, and i can't find sun-java in there.
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12:38<KM0201>sney, tried that to, just says "no alternatives to update"
12:38<sney>judd: versions sun-java6-jre
12:38<judd>Package sun-java6-jre on i386 -- etch-backports/non-free: 6-07-3~bpo40+1; lenny/non-free: 6-22-0lenny1; sid/non-free: 6.22-1; squeeze/non-free: 6.22-1
12:38<dvs>KM0201: post your sources.list
12:38<KM0201>ok
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12:39<dvs>sney: it's actually update-java-alternatives
12:39<sney>ah, figures it would be separate
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12:40<sney>i just keep one jdk on my system so it's not something I've messed with
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12:41<dvs>get out!
12:41<dvs>;-)
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12:41<Tiff>update-alternatives --config java
12:41<Tiff>works just fine
12:42<dvs>Tiff: that's only configure the java exec. (i.e. not javac or jdb etc)
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12:42<KM0201>dvs http://pastebin.com/AV3nk3KG
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12:42<KM0201>hmm i guess i don't have the contrib repo available
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12:42<KM0201>i thought i did.
12:43<KM0201>where would i find instructions to add it?
12:43<dvs>KM0201: no non-free on lines 1 or 2
12:43<dvs>simular to line 3\
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12:43<KM0201>dvs, ok.. so just copy lines 1 and 2, and add non-free to the end?
12:44<dvs>KM0201: well, just add "non-free" to the end of lines 1 and 2
12:44<KM0201>oh ok.
12:44<dvs>KM0201: adding "contrib" to those lines won't hurt either.
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12:46<KM0201>well that was easy enough
12:46<KM0201>thanks dvs
12:46<dvs>np
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13:10<Roofus901>hi everyone
13:10<Roofus901>anyone here an avid wine user?
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13:11<Roofus901>i've been trying to get codmw2 to install but i keep getting this isskin.dll error
13:11<Roofus901>i am on squeeze | amd64
13:12<Roofus901>installed wine using apt-get install wine
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13:14<sney>Roofus901: you may want to try in #winehq on freenode - also, the wine packages in Debian are quite old, and while they sometimes work anyway, there's also a third party repository that has newer ones.
13:14<Roofus901>kk
13:14<Roofus901>thx sney
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13:16<kristopher>hi all
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13:17<kristopher>i'm on debian since 5 minutes ago :p
13:17<sney>congratulations
13:17<kristopher>thanks
13:17<MeglaW>congrats
13:18<leocade>hey guys. im having a problem after booting from hibernation, 3/4 of my screen is black, starting from the left. everything is functional from what i can see except for the screen
13:18<kristopher>i'm just testing irssi on Debian
13:18<kristopher>(i'm a french boy)
13:18<sney>leocade: weird. what's your video adapter/ what display drivers are you using?
13:19<leocade>i havent installed any display drivers that havent come with xorg
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13:20<leocade>and i dont know the specific name of the device ill look it up but its an intel
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13:21<leocade>sney: Intel GMA 950
13:22<sney>hrmm, that *should* be fully supported
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13:22<leocade>the graphics seem to be fine except when i boot after hibernating
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13:22<leocade>sney: once i restart it works fine again
13:23<kristopher>cya guys
13:23<kristopher>thanks for all :p
13:23<sney>kristopher: welcome
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13:23<Markos>alguem sabe dizer se o debian tem problmea com AHCI (modo Sata) se ele estiver habilitado?
13:23<danielsh>can I disable the ssh-agent built into gnome-keyring? http://live.gnome.org/GnomeKeyring/Ssh says "disable the 'SSH Key Agent' box" but I don't see any such box.
13:24<sney>!br
13:24<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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13:24<danielsh>at the end I'd like to use openssh ssh-agent instead
13:24<leocade>sney: i installed debian before on this box, with kde and it worked but now im using xfce
13:24<leocade>after a fresh install
13:25<sney>window manager shouldn't make a difference
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13:25<leocade>i messed with hdparm and set it to 1. would that make a difference?
13:26<sney>I was going to say no, but if you're suspending to disk... I don't know, it's possible, but unlikely
13:26<leocade>whats the default setting?
13:26<jhutchins_lt>leocade: squeeze?
13:26<kurumin>sameone use debian on cell phones?:
13:27<leocade>jhutchins_lt: yeah
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13:27<sney>cellphones tend to have pretty specialized hardware, but emdebian would probably know if it's been done
13:27<jhutchins_lt>leocade: There have been a lot of issues with the Intel 855/915 drivers, I'd revert to lenny and wait for the next update.
13:28<leocade>okay
13:28<leocade>thanks
13:28<jhutchins_lt>leocade: It would probably be helpful to search for a bugreport and comment "me too" on it; that way if it's updated you might get notified.
13:29<leocade>thanks sney and jhutchins_lt
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13:31<kurumin>I'm probably tink sameone projects to migre debian to cell phones hw
13:32<jordanm>kurumin: openmoko
13:32<jordanm>(IIRC)
13:33<kurumin>debian should be perfect in cell phones due there is many phones with screen side about 4"
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13:34<kurumin>openmoko run on omap by texas instruments hw?
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13:35<jordanm>no idea, but I am pretty sure they have their own channel
13:35<jordanm>!openmoko
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13:35<kurumin>i think sameone like debian mobile
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13:54<PenguinUA>hi all )
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13:56<elena>hello
13:56<elena>I am trying to install a new kernel from the experimental repository
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13:57<jordanm>and?
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13:58<elena>I just did #apt-get update -t experimental and then #apt-get dist-upgrade -t experimental
13:58<Sicelo>on the topic of Debian on phones, I think Maemo is the closest there is at present :/
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13:59<jordanm>elena: if you have the experimental repo enabled in your sources; aptitude update; aptitude -t experimental install linux-image-2.6-<arch>
13:59<elena>but it didn't install the latest kernel as I was expecting
13:59<jordanm>elena: you would never want to upgrade all packages from experimental
13:59<elena>:)
14:00<jordanm>not that the -t experimental does anything with the two commands that you gave though
14:00<Sicelo>they even have Easy Debian which is even closer to true Debian
14:00<elena>so i have to choose one kernel
14:00<elena>and do it like you said
14:00<elena>do you know which kernel after 2.6.34 is preferable?
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14:00<jordanm>expiermental likely only has one
14:01<jordanm>,kernels
14:01<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.37-rc7-686 (2.6.37~rc7-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-29); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-29); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-29~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny1); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2)
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14:01<elena>aha :) with which command did u see this?
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14:02<jordanm>elena: I asked the bot. you can always check packages.debian.org
14:02<jordanm>!pdo
14:02<dpkg>http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for Debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/ in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/
14:02<elena>:))) thank you
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14:03<elena>!pdo
14:03<dpkg>http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for Debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/ in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/
14:03<dvs>!msg the bot
14:03<dpkg>Please message the bot... not doing so could be considered an unnecessary flood. Instead of typing "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" you can just type "/msg dpkg <topic>". See also <selftell>. Also visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively use the factoids database, or ask me about <bot help>. Browse my factoids on-line at http://ircbots.debian.net/
14:04<elena>oh one more question
14:04<elena> experimental: 2.6.37-rc7-686
14:04<elena>what does this rc7 mean?
14:04<jordanm>release candidate 7
14:05<bartm>elena, release candidate
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14:06<elena>thanx :)
14:06<KM0201>dvs, i'm still getting the java error w/ frostwire... what is that command again, update-alternatives?
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14:06<elena># aptitude -t experimental install linux-image-2.6.37-rc7-686
14:06<jordanm>KM0201: update-java-alternatives
14:06<elena>Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "linux-image-2.6.37-rc7-686"
14:06<elena>:s
14:06<dvs>update-java-alternatives
14:06<KM0201>thank you
14:07<KM0201>does that need to be ran as root?
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14:07<dvs>yes
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14:07<KM0201>when i run update-java-alternatives, it looks like it's looking for a trigger
14:07<KM0201>-a? for auto?
14:08<elena>!dop
14:08<dvs>KM0201: -l to list the alternatives then -s to set it
14:08<elena>!pdo
14:08<dpkg>http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for Debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/ in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/
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14:09<dvs>!tell elena -aboutg msg the bot
14:09<KM0201>dvs, ok.. this is where i'm getting lost, on "setting iit...
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14:09<KM0201>i get java-6-sun, 63, and /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun
14:09<jordanm>lost? you pick a java you want for the default and it sets it
14:09<elena>lol dvs
14:09<KM0201>so are how do i pick it?
14:10<dvs>!tell elena -about msg the bot
14:10<elena>!!!
14:10<dpkg>I'm not your csh prompt!
14:10<elena>thanx
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14:10<jordanm>KM0201: --set java-6-sun
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14:10*dvs leaves this an an exercise for the reader
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14:11<KM0201>dvs, i've googled, and i'm not seeing any answers to this... i tried o solve the java problem for 2hrs before coming here.
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14:12<KM0201>update-java-alternatives --set java-6-sun
14:12<KM0201>ight?
14:12<dvs>KM0201: yes
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14:13<KM0201>hmm, why don't any of the instructions on the internet say that?
14:13<KM0201>they all just say "set it".. and thats it.
14:13<sney>they probably assume you know the syntax from using regular update-alternatives
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14:13<KM0201>i dunno, just seems they'd make "newb" instructions.
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14:14<dvs>KM0201: because typing "update-java-alternatives" reveals the options that can be used.
14:14<Matt__>Hey :)
14:14<Matt__>Hmm
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14:17<MMWeb>There we go.
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14:17<MMWeb>I'm looking to configure Debian on my server
14:17<KM0201>dvs, i'm taking some notes here, you said to add "non-free" and "contrib" to my source lines, right/
14:17<KM0201>that's how i got java into the repo, correct?
14:18<cthuluh>that's how you access to the sun jdk, yes
14:18<dvs>yes
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14:18<KM0201>ok
14:18<KM0201>what is "contrib" if i may ask
14:18<cthuluh>but the openjdk is free and functional
14:18<dvs>!contrib
14:18<dpkg>[contrib] Debian packages that are free, but depend on software not in Debian (possibly in contrib or non-free). To get contrib packages, add lines like "deb http://yourmirror/debian/ [lenny|squeeze|sid] main contrib" to your /etc/apt/sources.list, then aptitude update. Also ask me about <non-free>.
14:18<KM0201>ok.
14:18<MMWeb>How do I figure out what version of Debian I have via SSH?
14:19<jordanm>!version
14:19<dpkg>Kernel: uname -r, or cat /proc/version. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version (or lsb_release -sc) and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command; check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>. Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distributions.
14:19<bartm>MMWeb, cat /etc/debian_version
14:19<MMWeb>Thanks!
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14:26<KM0201>you guys think debian will eventually replace iceweasel w/ chromium?
14:27<sney>as the default? I guess it's possible
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14:27<sney>iceweasel will remain in the repos indefinitely though I'm sure
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14:28<KM0201>sney, well yeah, i wasn't suggesting it be removed
14:28<KM0201>just wondering.. i think chrome is a far superior browser to FF/iceweasel
14:29<sney>yeah, the only real question is if there are any licensing issues
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14:29<rpetre>chrome still has some ways to go before it qualifies as a stable browser, imo
14:30<cthuluh>KM0201: did you test FF 4.0? if yes, do you think that chromium is *far* superior? :)
14:30<jhutchins_lt>There are distribution issues as well.
14:30<rpetre>sney: nope, the problem is that thee upstream changes version really fast and it's not possible to support an old one in stable for too long
14:30<rpetre>chromium is as free as it gets, afaik
14:31<KM0201>cthuluh, no, not yet...
14:31<jhutchins_lt>rpetre: I'm not sure it's free to redistribute.
14:31<sney>everything I've heard about FF4 is some flavour of the term "broken"
14:31<KM0201>i'm hooked on chrome.. really like it..
14:31<sney>jhutchins_lt: but a debian team build of the chromium tree should be
14:31<jhutchins_lt>,versions chromium
14:31<judd>Package chromium on i386 -- lenny: 0.9.13.2-1; sid: 0.9.14.1-2; squeeze: 0.9.14.1-2
14:32<rpetre>jhutchins_lt: last time i looked into the "why isn't chromium in debian" flame, the problem was lack of support, mainly
14:32<rpetre>,versions chromium-browser
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14:32<judd>Package chromium-browser on i386 -- sid: 6.0.472.63~r59945-4; squeeze: 6.0.472.63~r59945-4; experimental: 9.0.587.0~r66374-1
14:32<sney>the google build of chrome integrates painlessly with a standard debian system anyway, so even if it's never fully integrated it's easily usable
14:32<rpetre>wrong package ;)
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14:32<rpetre>sney: the _current_ build
14:32<sney>well, yeah, there have been hiccups
14:32<rpetre>they intend to keeep updating it like a web app
14:33<sney>I'm mostly talking about the apt interoperability though
14:33<rpetre>so users are expected to update all the timee
14:33<rpetre>this is not quite compatible with debian stable
14:33<sney>that much is true
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14:34<rpetre>afaik the current policy for chromium in debian is "we'll keep it in testing until the security team can follow upstream"
14:35<rpetre>this was one part of the large firefox flame in 3.0 days, btw
14:35<rpetre>the naming and the icons came after that
14:35<sney>sounds promising then
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14:36<sney>so few updates in squeeze lately.
14:36<sney>this is the first time I'll actually be around for a release :)
14:37<dvs>sney: go away so it can be released! ;-)
14:37<sney>oi
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14:39<dvs>141 rc bugs
14:40<sney>that's a pretty small number, considering
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14:43<KM0201>now... why everytime i want to do something, synaptic wants to uninstall frostwire?
14:43<KM0201>it says its broken, but it works fine?
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14:43<bartm>KM0201, so when you want to make coffee, synaptic wants to uninstall frostwire?
14:44<KM0201>bartm, ...
14:46<bartm>KM0201, doesn't synaptic say why it wants to uninstall frostwire?
14:46<KM0201>yeah
14:46<KM0201>it says unmet dependencies, but the program works fine
14:47<KM0201> frostwire : Depends: default-jre-headless but it is not going to be installed
14:47<KM0201> Depends: default-jre but it is not going to be installed
14:47<KM0201>but i have those two packages installed
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14:48<KM0201>nevermind
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14:52<romina>olaa
14:52<romina>tas?
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14:52<romina>?????
14:52<romina>olaaaa
14:52<romina>toi ablando solaa o k?
14:52<bartm>romina, only english please
14:52<romina>ok
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14:53<romina>olaaaaaa
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14:58<ballison>the bigmen kernel doesn't support crytoloop ?
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15:02<maria>ola
15:03<maria>olaa
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15:03<sney>looks like spain had a christmas sale on netbooks
15:03<devil>:)
15:03<devil>ola
15:03<sney>we're in for at least another month of 10-year-old spaniards launching xchat, blindly hitting "connect", and olaaaaing
15:04<KM0201>sney, why is that?
15:04<rpetre>can we have auto-ban on "ola"? :)
15:04<gabrieluk>hi.im new to debian.i'm trying to install it in my local computer,wich is running windows vista.first i tried to install it from a live usb stick,no sucess.then i downloaded the "netist" and i tried to install it using virtual box,but when is almost done i get the following error:the 'grub' package failed to install into /target/.without the GRUB boot loader,the installed system will not...
15:04<gabrieluk>...boot.would it be easier to install fedora from a full dvd into a new partition?
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15:05<gabrieluk>sry for fedora errrrr,debian*
15:05<KM0201>gabrieluk, it sounds like you didn't set where to install grub.
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15:05<sney>KM0201: the netbooks ship with ubuntu. and on sale, they make a nice present for a school-age kid. ubuntu's default xchat config will join this channel if you don't change anything... olaaaa
15:06<gabrieluk>how do i do that?from the virtual box i didnt was pronpted for that,KM0201
15:06<bartm>sney, I think that the default channel of xchat in ubuntu is elsewhere
15:06<KM0201>sney, i see.. strange that ubuntu comes here though, rather than #ubuntu on freenode?
15:06<gabrieluk>i wasn't*
15:07<KM0201>gabrieluk, hmm, i've not installed debian to many times, but i could have swore it asked for a target installation.
15:07<sney>bartm: what it does is show you the server list. but the first thing selected is the top item on the list, which happens to be Debian Servers. Ubuntu's devs presumably hope their users will notice this and select the second item, Ubuntu Servers, but many just push Connect without looking
15:08<gabrieluk>what would be the target installation?/
15:09<sney>in virtualbox when it's installing grub, you should select to install it to the MBR, even if it warns you that this could make other OSes not work
15:09<gabrieluk>i will retry tough,i might have missed as i did this set up i bit in a rush
15:09<gabrieluk>netinst works with wirelles connection also?
15:09<sney>for most adapters
15:10<KM0201>never worked w/ mine..lol
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15:10<sney>the dummy one virtualbox uses should be fine though
15:10<KM0201>i put aptosid in vbox.... slick little OS
15:11<gabrieluk>right.i will this recommendations.ty
15:11<gabrieluk>i will do*
15:11<gabrieluk>lol
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15:12<gabrieluk>i cant write even one sentence right today...omg!
15:13<bartm>sney, debian/patches/02_ubuntu_default_server.patch seems to make the Ubuntu servers default
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15:13<sney>bartm: oh, they finally implemented that? took long enough
15:13<sney>though it does explain why there haven't been many lost ubuntu users in here lately
15:13<rpetre>bartm: i think this is only in 10.10
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15:14<sney>yeah, the spaniard netbooks are probably still on 9
15:14<bartm>sney, since 15 Oct 2010 15:28:46 +0200 according to debian/changelog
15:14<rpetre>i think 10.04 (LTS) is with the old one
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15:15<bartm>no longer ago
15:16<bartm>since Thu, 30 Nov 2006 21:46:10 +0100 if the changelog is complete about this
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15:43<gabrieluk>i'm installing again...i noticed i had different options now when choosing extra software eg.server,laptop.i might know what was the problem...the computer went to hibernate in the middle of the installation process...
15:43<gabrieluk>silly of me to think it would just restart normally
15:44<ballison>anyone know why this mount isn't working?
15:44<ballison>i'm trying to mount a loop. and it's just hanging.
15:44<cahoot>maybe exposing the actual command might help?
15:45<ballison>i strace it and get "No such device or address"
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15:45<ballison>mount /u
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15:45<ballison>where it's defined in the /etc/fstab tab as "/dev/loop0 /u ext3 users,loop,exec,noauto 0 0
15:46<ballison># ls -al /dev/loop0
15:46<ballison>brw-rw---- 1 root disk 7, 0 Dec 27 19:07 /dev/loop0
15:46<ballison>it's there, but i can't mount it as a loop
15:46<gabrieluk>how much disk space would be recommended when installing all extra features into debian such as webserver,mail server laptop, etc?
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15:49<ompaul>gabrieluk: 100G minimum that way you can play with multiple desktops and programming environments and webserver add ons with scripting languages and some room for data
15:49<ballison>insite:~# mount -t ext3 /dev/loop0 /u
15:49<ballison>mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/loop0,
15:49<ballison> missing codepage or helper program, or other error
15:50<ompaul>gabrieluk: you could get away with 10G but then you really do limit what you can do in the future
15:50<gabrieluk>ompaul,sure
15:50<ompaul>gabrieluk: and you can get away with as little as 5G but that way leads to madness
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15:51<gabrieluk>lol
15:51<gabrieluk>sure
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15:52<ompaul>gabrieluk: well what happens to you is you keep running out of room and you start annoying people on irc about what is essential and what is non essential because you were too tight with space in the first place
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15:52<gabrieluk>i'm usig debian inside virtualbox,i set up the hd to be dinamically extended...so it should be fine ,as i have 70 gb of hd free
15:52<ompaul>gabrieluk: and then you say you'll have to leave windows and get with this debian thing, and if you left windows 100% today you wouldn't have to ask that kind of question ;-)
15:54<gabrieluk>can i run wine properlly into debian,to be able to use adobe master collection and .net framework?
15:54<gabrieluk>cs5*
15:55<ompaul>you can run mono for dot net, and you can use gimp and spend a little time learning it to replace cs5 as for what master collection I have no idea what they are
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15:55<gabrieluk>ahh,ok ty
15:56<gabrieluk>so wine is just for ubuntu?
15:56<f0rk>no
15:56<ompaul>no wine is available on all GNU/Linux distros including Debian Debian being upstream of Ubuntu provides it to Ubuntu not the other way around
15:57<f0rk>!wine
15:57<dpkg>Wine (Wine Is Not an Emulator) is an application intended to allow execution of Microsoft Windows programs on Unix-like operating systems. Application compatibility database: http://appdb.winehq.org/ . The beta Wine packages from lamaresh.net are not supported in #debian. http://wiki.winehq.org/FAQ http://www.winehq.org/ #winehq on irc.freenode.net. See also <mmap_min_addr> regarding use of Win16 binaries.
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15:57<gabrieluk>i know ,debian is the "universal system".noticed i never used and i choose it to be my desktop and vps server ;)
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15:58<gabrieluk>cool.so wine is for all linux flavours
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15:59<ompaul>gabrieluk: unless they are specialist for small hardware devices, essentially yes
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16:01<gabrieluk>could you guys point me to some gooood tutorial regarding how to set up apache properlly in a debian server?
16:01<ballison>is there a way to make date just return yesterday's date?
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16:01<Hydroxide>ballison: date -d '1 day ago'
16:02<Hydroxide>ballison: maybe even date -d yesterday might work
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16:03<gabrieluk>should i install the dhcp3-client,if the install is a local one?
16:05<gabrieluk>i installed :P
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16:13<lapfrogg>why don't you guys unite this channel and the freenode channel somehow?
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16:16<sney>lapfrogg: chaos is why
16:16<lapfrogg>chaos?
16:16<lapfrogg>is that the irc server name?
16:16<sney>no
16:16<sney>well, it might be. but I was speaking literallly
16:16<lapfrogg>chaos theory?
16:17<lapfrogg>chaos practice?
16:17<sney>having 2 channels - an official one, here, and an unofficial one on freenode - makes it easier to manage the support requests
16:17<lapfrogg>the freenode one is bigger
16:17<sney>combined it would likely be a huge mess
16:17<lapfrogg>well whatever
16:18<Xeross>I'm trying to replace some text with sed however it seems bash is having some trouble with some of the characters: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/310511/
16:18<sney>bigger, yes. but only one of them is located on irc.debian.org :)
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16:23<Kristian>Xeross: stick the sed command inside single quotes (') - your double quotes are eaten by the shell as it is now
16:26<Xeross>k
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16:27<Kristian>the easiest test is to use echo on the command
16:27<Kristian>it'll show you how the command looks after the shell has had its say
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16:28<Xeross>Kristian: thanks
16:29<gabrieluk>i sucessfully nstalled debian using virtualbox.after install i rebboted.then i got the screen "username".after entering username and pass,i have a grey/blue screen with nothing on it....whats wrong?
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16:35<zedboy>So everything got renamed and instead of /dev/hda1 it's UUID=<whatever>. Which mount ... now refers to as /dev/sda1, oddly? So can I put that in fstab?
16:35*zedboy is weirded out by this stuff
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16:36<devil>you can use either UUID or raw device node. UZUId preferred
16:36<devil>UUID
16:36<zedboy>devil: raw device node = /dev/sdb1 (for example)?
16:36<Kristian>you can use /dev/sda1 in fstab, yes. /dev/sda1 is the port, while UUID identifies the actual disk. The difference is that if you switch the cables around, the UUID will remain the same, but the disk could now be at /dev/sdb
16:36<devil>zedboy: yes
16:37<zedboy>Ah.
16:37<zedboy>And if I was curious enough to want to know the device's UUID, how would I find that?
16:37<rpetre>uuids are harder to use in recovery console :)
16:37*zedboy is not that curious. just theoretically speaking.
16:37<devil>zedboy: blkid
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16:37<devil>or dev-by-uiid
16:38<gabrieluk>guys,i cannot see my desktop after login using virtualbox.any ideas?maybe cause i inserted wrong user or pass?
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16:38<zedboy>devil: And at what point did it become normal to refer to old-school ide hard drives as /dev/sd<whatever>?
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16:38<Kristian>gradually from when 2.6.0 was released and libata entered the game
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16:39<devil>zedboy: about 18 months ago iirc
16:39*zedboy is still getting used to the idea that things have changed since ... 1997 or so
16:39<romina>olaa
16:40<ompaul>!es | romina
16:40<dpkg>| romina: Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat
16:40<romina>¿¿
16:40<romina>k
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16:44<gabrieluk>is the fact of my computer being in "battery mode" (when rebooting for the first time),would influence in having issues to display desktop?
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16:48<gabrieluk>i cannot login into debian installed into virtualbox.the installation was sucessful.booting sucessful.when prompted to username and pass,it leads to a "blank" page.please help
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16:50<devil>gabrieluk: probably faulty ghraphics mode
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16:50<devil>you could look at Xorg.0.log
16:50<gabrieluk>devil,how would i set up it properly?
16:51<devil>heh, thats a good question
16:51<devil>too late for me to go there today :(
16:51<gabrieluk>in this case ,would you recommend me installing into a partition of my hd?
16:52<devil>gabrieluk: sre, less errorprone
16:52<devil>sure
16:52<devil>easier to debug if something is wrong
16:52<devil>whats your gfx-card?
16:53<gabrieluk>would the "webinst" works installing in a partition?
16:53<devil>sure
16:53<devil>netinstall?
16:53<gabrieluk>the shity one,the windows built in that eats ram
16:53<gabrieluk>yeap,netinstall
16:54<devil>are you wired?
16:54<gabrieluk>yes
16:54<devil>ok.
16:54<gabrieluk>i mean,no
16:54<gabrieluk>but i can plug
16:54<devil>oh
16:54<devil>better
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16:55<gabrieluk>k...what would you suggest,create a partition before initialazion install process,or let the debian installer creates the partition?
16:56<devil>let the installer do it
16:56<gabrieluk>i mean ,when i m in windows click the "shrink" button
16:56<gabrieluk>ahh,ok
16:56<devil>i dont know much of windows
16:56<devil>and forgot the rest ;)
16:57<gabrieluk>me either...i just have to still use it cause of software demands... :(
16:57<gabrieluk>but i will definetly switch all the work to debian
16:58<gabrieluk>just use the f windows for certain app
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16:59<ompaul>gabrieluk: what is that app?
16:59<gabrieluk>cs5 collection
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16:59<ompaul>I already told you take a little time to learn gimp :)
17:00<gabrieluk>i know gimp ompaul,but i m working many years with adobe pack,so it's hard to switch
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17:00<ompaul>gabrieluk: you are self imprisoned in that case :)
17:00<gabrieluk>yeap,
17:01<ompaul>install it on windows explore it and then you don't have to
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17:01<gabrieluk>espeacially if you read the new features of cs5 ,its just amazing.catalisty,flash builder,new photoshop features,,its just amazing,you cannot trow away all of that
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17:02<gabrieluk>ahhhh!!!
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17:02<gabrieluk>i know what im gonna do... idea!:P
17:03<gabrieluk>i will install debian as my main os,than use virtual box for debian to run windows!!!!!hehehe
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17:04<gabrieluk>windows is the secondary thing for me now,i give much more value on having debian as my main os
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17:06<rpetre>gabrieluk: just keep in mind that if you want 3d games and stuff like that, virtualized windows would be... suboptimal
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17:08<gabrieluk>naa,i dont want games,i want .net framework and adobe...mmm...maybe adobe will have problems with virtual box....whatever.i will make 2 partitions,thats it
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17:09<rpetre>gabrieluk: nah, desktop apps are usually ok
17:11<rpetre>anyway, congrats on biting the bullet and using linux as primary OS, that's the only way to get used to it, imho :)
17:11<gabrieluk>k,so it should be fine....the thing is ,im getting a blank screen when login into debian using virtualbox.so im having graphical issues to display debian's desktop!!!omg!(my g card is the buit in windows one... :( )
17:13<gabrieluk>ty,it was a painfull and long way to reach the debian "way",much research and analizing many oses,i think im good to go and start issuing some ap-get's!!!!
17:13<ompaul>you might want apt-get
17:13<devil>gabrieluk: adobe is planning cs5 for linux
17:13<ompaul>;-)
17:13<kop>!why aptitude
17:13<dpkg>aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). For some upgrades (lenny->squeeze) apt-get is better though. Be careful.
17:14<gabrieluk>apt-get's!!!
17:14<gabrieluk>:D
17:14<gabrieluk>#im going for a shower,cya
17:15<rpetre>devil: that's some interesting news, were there any concrete announcements or it's just a rumour?
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17:15<devil>rpetre: there was an announcement about a week ago, but nothing concrete. i gueass they will 'wine' it
17:16<rpetre>bleah
17:16<rpetre>still, good enough
17:16<rpetre>hope this will fare better than corel
17:16<devil>yep, that ties a lot of people to windows
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17:28<minakov>Hello, how to make debian show unicode symbols in console?
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17:28<cthuluh>minakov: something like: dpkg-reconfigure console-setup
17:29<sney>minakov: you may just need the fonts
17:29<sney>like ttf-vlgothic for japanese, etc
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17:31<minakov>ok, I use second OS - Ubuntu, where have PS1 like  \h \[\033[33m\]  \[\033[0m\]:(\w)\n
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17:32<minakov>in debian I can't see those symbols - folder and other
17:32<gabrieluk>back
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17:34<gabrieluk>i think in the shower i realized my virtualbox is having graphic issues with debian.into virtualbox,i have "Dispaly Video memory:12MB".maybe is too low?
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17:34<devil>no
17:34<devil>it should at least boot to X
17:35<minakov>in console-setup I see charset chooser with some lines. What line is better - cyrillic with some serbic support or combined with cyrillic?
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17:36<minakov>Is this what I need?
17:37<minakov>Thanks all
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17:38<gabrieluk>what you mean by "boot to x"?
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17:40<gabrieluk>whatever,i wont loose my time with this virtualbox anymore.i will just reboot and make a new partition for debian...
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18:03<minakov>console-setup doesn't work for me
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18:05<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net. or use English here.
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18:49<deepa>I have this USB stick
18:50<deepa>I plug it in
18:50<deepa>my aptop recognizes it as sdc
18:50<deepa>I run cfdisk on it and everything
18:51<deepa>But nothign happens when I pick write
18:51<deepa>When I run fdisk -l I get
18:51<deepa>Disk /dev/sdc doesn't contain a valid partition table
18:53<deepa>and now also
18:53<deepa>Disk /dev/sdc: 8 MB, 8388608 bytes
18:53<deepa>I am pretty sure it's larger than 8MB
18:53<sney>usb sticks are generally not partitioned
18:53<ompaul>!paste
18:53<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <paste2pastebin.pl>, <wgetpaste>.
18:53<sney>you use the whole disk
18:53<deepa>ompaul: that was one line.
18:53<sney>he's probably not ttalking to you
18:54<deepa>So I just run /sbin/mkfs.ext3 /dev/sdc?
18:54<sney>yeah
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18:54<sney>it might whine at you about using the whole device but there's a switch, usually -I, that overrides the warning
18:55<deepa>Writing superblocks and filesystem accounting information: done
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18:55<deepa>Everything seems to say it's fine
18:55<sney>mount it and check
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18:57<deepa>illusionist:/home/deepy/Downloads# mount -t ext3 /dev/sdc ../test/
18:57<deepa>mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdc,
18:57<sney>try with -t auto?
18:58<deepa>illusionist:/home/deepy/Downloads# mount -t auto /dev/sdc ../test/
18:58<deepa>mount: you must specify the filesystem type
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18:59<deepa>and in dmesg I can see [3198156.259047] sdc: unknown partition table
18:59<deepa>and VFS being unable to find ext3 on sdc
18:59<sney>weird
18:59<sney>I always use vfat on usb sticks so they're universal, but ext3 should be fine as well
18:59<sney>is it a known good usb stick?
19:00<deepa>It worked previously but I may have b0rked it
19:00<sney>well, give vfat a shot anyway, there could be some reason ext3 is no good
19:01<ompaul>deepa: use fdisk /dev/sdc ... then use partprobe before you try to mount it
19:02<deepa>partprobe?
19:02<ompaul>deepa: you might want to use ext2 not ext3
19:02<ompaul>yes partprobe
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19:03<deepa>partprobe as in p?
19:03<deepa>oh nevermind
19:03<deepa>What should I do in fdisk?
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19:04<ompaul>deepa: you use it to create a new partition on that stick
19:04<sney>ha
19:04<sney>ompaul: scroll up, he was trying that before
19:04<sney>but typically usb sticks aren't partitioned, so we're trying it without.
19:04<ompaul>sney: the use of ext3 is not a good idea on a solid state idea
19:05<sney>I said to use vfat
19:05*sney shrug
19:05<sney>but ext3 should *work* if not work well
19:05<deepa>fdisk,
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19:05<deepa>oops, well I'm trying ext2 now
19:05<ompaul>sney: I saw that journaling on solid state not a great idea
19:06<deepa>http://pastebin.com/6ycNkdwn
19:06<sney>yeah it's not a great idea but it shouldn't just *fail*
19:06<deepa>That's what dmesg says
19:08<deepa>Now with ext2, I can't do -t ext2 or auto
19:08<ompaul>deepa: use vfat
19:08<deepa>That didn't work either
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19:09<ompaul>deepa: cat /dev/zero > /dev/sdc then start again
19:09<sney>don't hold your breath though
19:10<deepa>cat: write error: No space left on device
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19:10<sney>yeah it finished
19:10<sney>though that's pretty fast unless it's a really small stick
19:10<deepa>it was instant
19:10<sney>maybe it really is 8M
19:11<sney>but my guess is that it's broken
19:11<ompaul>deepa: I'm with sney on that - the broken stick is broken
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19:12<deepa>Probaly broken
19:13<ompaul>we'll vote with that
19:14<deepa>On another stick I can't seem to mkfs ext2 though
19:14<deepa>mkfs.ext2: No medium found while trying to determine filesystem size
19:14<sney>maybe there's something wrong with that usb port
19:14<ompaul>deepa: now do this fdisk -l
19:15<deepa>This new one doesn't show up in fdisk -l
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19:15<ompaul>so move it from one port to another
19:15<deepa>same with the other port
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19:20<jhutchins_lt>It would be more informative to check dmesg rather than randomly poking it into ports.
19:21<sney>safer, too
19:21<sney>there was a certain Thinkpad a few years back where it was possible to fatally shock the motherboard by moving a usb powered device from one port to a different oen
19:21<deepa>EeePC 901
19:21<jhutchins_lt>deepa: I think you need to prove that you have a working device and that your system detects it correctly. There are few systems that have trouble with standard USB storage devices.
19:22<jhutchins_lt>deepa: If you have another system where you can test mounting the drives that's the first step. Also, again, looking at what dmesg thinks is happening when you plug it in.
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19:23<deepa>I don't have another system to test them in
19:23<jhutchins_lt>deepa: Check the USB ports with a non-storage device, a keyboard or a mouse.
19:23<deepa>But a third stick worked
19:23<jhutchins_lt>deepa: In that case, it sounds like the laptop is fine and the drives are bad.
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19:23<jhutchins_lt>Again, careful reading of dmesg would be very informative.
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19:24<deepa>http://pastebin.com/J3LVYaYb - the 100 last lines, I will begin reading
19:25<deepa>The buffer I/O is probaly the first stick
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19:26<jhutchins_lt>deepa: what kernel are you using (uname -r)?
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19:26<deepa>2.6.32-5-686
19:28<jhutchins_lt>I'm gonna go with bad drives.
19:28<sney>word.
19:28<sney>did you find these lying around somewhere
19:29<deepa>I got them from a previous work
19:29<deepa>It's the first or third time they are being used
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19:31<deepa>on a sidenote, my system is extremly slow
19:32<deepa>Would it be possible to get assistance with that too?
19:32<jhutchins_lt>!eeepc
19:32<dpkg>The Eee PC (aka RM ASUS Minibook) is a <netbook> designed by ASUS. Linux models are supplied with <Xandros> which is not supported in #debian, join #eeepc on irc.freenode.net for support. To install Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC for installation and configuration details. See also <atl2>, <atl1c>. Mailing list: http://alioth.debian.org/mail/?group_id=31309 #debian-eeepc on irc.oftc.net.
19:32<mibboo>are the any way to get a file or a document creation time in a bash terminal?
19:32<jhutchins_lt>deepa: Only if you've already read the above - it's a specialized problem, not many of us will have seen an eeepc.
19:32<deepa>I actually believe this might be related to squeeze
19:34<deepa>When I alt+tab it can take seconds until my browser starts responding
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19:34<sedulous>Hi. Where can I host a Debian repository for free?
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19:34<dondelelcaro>sedulous: please don't ask the same question in both channels.
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19:35<sedulous>Ok.
19:35<cthuluh>sedulous: ever heard about localhost?
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19:38<acu>I have an empty usb flash (8GB) I want to boot a system and delete all partitions in the only ide hard disk it has - what should I do
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19:39<acu>let me rephrase - I want do erase the partitions and everything in the only Hard Disk the system has - I used to boot be knoppix and use kparted - is any other way
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19:41<cthuluh>acu: is erasing data important? if so, then using shred /dev/sd* might help
19:41<cthuluh>else deleting the partitions with fdisk should be enough
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19:41<cthuluh>(one could use only dd to zero the partitions in the MBR)
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19:42<cthuluh>acu: oh, sorry, dont shred /dev/sd*
19:42<acu>yes - I need to erase the MBR - I have to install windows and linux dual booting - and this system has linux only now -
19:42<cthuluh>since your usb stick is likely to be names /dev/sdxy
19:42<sney>windows erases the mbr by itself when it installs
19:43<acu>cthuluh: what should I download in the stick to make it "live" ?
19:43<acu>http://live.debian.net/cdimage/daily-builds/squeeze/20101227-1/amd64/usb-hdd/
19:43<cthuluh>something like that
19:43<acu>but what files do I need in the usb ?
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19:44<cthuluh>a .img one
19:44<sney>dd if=debian-live-squeeze-amd64-foo of=/dev/sdbar
19:44<sney>with foo being the image you want, standard is plenty for disk management, and bar is the actual device name of your usb stick
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19:46<acu>I am dowloading debian-live-squeezeamd64 gnome desktop.img (it is a heck of 1 GB - but that is fine
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19:46<acu>I remember that in order to make the usb bootable - I needed some other files beside img - dont remember which
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19:48<TobiX>acu: You just write the image on the USB, overwriting the boot sector...
19:48<sney>yeah, the 'other files' thing was for the debian installer
19:49<acu>so a drag and drop in nautilus or konqueror will not do it
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19:49<cthuluh>acu: see what sney said about dd
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19:53<acu>ok so if I need to to a debian squeeze daily installer - with a useb what do I need ?
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19:56<deepa>jhutchins_lt: I've with the help of #debian-eeepc not been able to find any reason for the low performance.
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20:12<acu>it is weird - I booted with knoppix and type df and it does not see the hard disk - do I need to mount it ?
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20:15<cthuluh>acu: fdisk -l
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20:20<acu>cthuluh: I see the disk - /dev/hda with two partitions - I want do delete it - I tried fdisk /dev/hda d or fdisk /dev/hda1 and it does not work
20:21<acu>I am in knoppix and su
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20:21<cthuluh>fdisk /dev/hda should work
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20:21<cthuluh>I'm convinced that what you're doing is useless, but heh...
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20:23<cthuluh>acu: remember that you need to write the changes done in fdisk, with the 'w' command
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20:23<acu>where is that w command going ?
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20:23<b0red>hey people im newbie and i need help :)
20:24<cthuluh>acu: read the documentation
20:24<acu>lol
20:24<acu>bored: read the documentation
20:24<cthuluh>acu: LOL
20:24<cthuluh>*plonk*
20:25<acu>b0red: ask the question - there are 410 humans ready to help you :)
20:25<b0red>im using ubuntu , and im dowloading the dvd1 "lenny" , what about dvd2 and dvd3 and 4 ??
20:25<acu>what is your question -
20:25<acu>you are boring
20:25<cthuluh>you don't need them
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20:25<b0red>im using ubuntu , and im dowloading the dvd1 "lenny" , what about dvd2 and dvd3 and 4 ??
20:26<Tiff>what about them?
20:26<cthuluh>you don't need them
20:26<acu>if you want to get excitment - get a network install - http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ and install squeeze
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20:26<acu>that will squeeze some Dopamine
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20:27<cthuluh>b0red: please note that you don't need a full DVD in order to install debian
20:27<acu>what about us ?
20:27<b0red>im still lazy with this ubuntu crap , i just feel that debian is like Power :D
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20:27<b0red>i dont need full DVD ?
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20:27<cthuluh>CD1 / netinstall CD would be enough
20:28<dvs>b0red: if you have wired access to the Internet
20:28<acu>b0red: true Debian Squeeze is ball squezer
20:28<b0red>i dont have that fast internet lmao
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20:28<dvs>dialup?
20:28<acu>bored: thand download the first DVD - that is plenty
20:28<acu>b0red: are you in Tanganika ?
20:28<b0red>i still have 12 hours to download that 4gb dvd haha
20:29<dvs>b0red: get the DVD
20:29<b0red>but what are the others dvds
20:29<dvs>only the first one though.
20:29<cthuluh>but...
20:29<acu>other dvds are just games :)
20:29<deepa>I think I have a broken .tar.gz, it makes things named with a lot of strange things in them
20:29<deepa>Can I recover the data from it somehow?
20:29<cthuluh>the first DVD contains mostly software that you won't use...
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20:29<acu>no - they are other environments - kde - networking and other applications to the 20 K or so
20:30<b0red>i only use gnome :D
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20:30<b0red>then i wont download the others , thats great :D
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20:30<GCS>Hi! Is there any channel I can ask gnupg related questions?
20:31<sney>!gnupg
20:31<dpkg>[gpg] GNU Privacy Guard (GnuPG, GPG) is free public-key encryption program, an alternative to <PGP>. Packaged for Debian as gnupg. http://gnupg.org/ #gnupg on irc.freenode.net.
20:32<GCS>I mean a more alive channel. Asked there but doesn't seem to have a big life there.
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20:34<b0red>im using ubuntu since like 5 months . after running away from windows crap , i just feel like i need debian , but ive never had any problems with ubuntu b4
20:34<b0red>its just so easy
20:34<b0red>and i like facing problems :D
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20:35<ballison2>i have a newbie question about piping to mail. i have a perl script that generates a report. and from a preformated terminal it looks perfect. but when i pipe it to mail and get it via email i lose all that preformatting.
20:35<ballison2>is there a way to mail mail keep the preformatting?
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20:37<ballison2>?
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20:39<ballison2>is there a way to make mail send the file piped to it as terminal text?
20:40<GCS>ballison2: I think it can be your mail client. It may use proportional character set.
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20:40<ballison2>i read my mail with gmail
20:40<ballison2>but i'm sending this out to sales people.
20:41<ballison2>i want the report sent out in TT/Preformated text
20:42<cthuluh>what is TT/Preformated text?
20:43<ballison2>True Text / Preformatted Text fonts
20:45<ballison2>in terminal everything is uniformally spaced
20:45<cthuluh>here tabs, spaces and newlines are preserved
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20:48<ballison2>right so when i pipe that into mail and it gets mailed to gmail everything gots to a non-uniform font and all the formatting is all screwed up.
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20:49<GCS>ballison2: There's a non-proportional font available in GMail AFAIK.
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20:51<ballison2>but i'm piping the output of my script to mail
20:51<ballison2>how do i specifiy a font?
20:51<cthuluh>so that's html?
20:53<tawn>trying to use 'sed' to parse filenames but i'm going crazy trying to get the syntax right: seems like sed s/^/[a-z]+/?[a-z]*// should be about right but i'm sure that there's stuff that's missing or wrong... any one have an idea what?
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20:54<lapfrogg>tawn, i think you might need to do some shell escaping for all characters to reach sed properly
20:54<cthuluh>tawn: you shouldn't be using sed to aprse filenames
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20:55<ballison2>cthuluh: the output of my scipt is TEXT
20:55<ballison2>the text out put gets piped to mail
20:55<ballison2>the mail client is gmail
20:55<ballison2>so i'm losing all the formating from a monospaced font
20:55<tawn>cthuluh, what should i be using then?
20:55<cthuluh>then how would you specify a font?
20:55<cthuluh>ballison2: ^
20:56<cthuluh>tawn: depends on your need. ask #bash on freenode.net
20:56<cthuluh>ballison2: plain text is plain text.
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20:58<Arrowmaster>ballison: theres a gmail labs for monospace font
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21:02<hogren>hello world
21:02<minakov>how to make unicode symbols support on debian in console?
21:02<hogren>please help me, i dont understand
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21:03<tawn>hogren, did you actually have a question?
21:03<hogren>http://textup.fr/1678KR : why do it want remove xorg ?
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21:04<sney>!fr
21:04<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net.
21:04<Arrowmaster>minakov: the font used would need have the glyphs in it
21:04<hogren>sney thx but i prefer the english helpers
21:04<tawn>it would be helpful if it were in english
21:05<sney>!unmarkauto
21:05<dpkg>Is apt trying to remove packages that it thinks were automatically installed? This happens when you "aptitude install gnome" and then later remove bits of it causing the gnome meta-package to be uninstalled and then all its dependencies. Fix this by running "aptitude unmarkauto packagename" on strategically chosen packages, or reinstall the <metapackage> (apt-get also has unmarkauto from squeeze onwards).
21:05<hogren>because they are most
21:05<tawn>how about converting your text to english so we can better understand it?
21:05<minakov>Arrowmaster, I have ru_win 105 keyboard with cyrillic. Where I can choose font with full unicode support?
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21:06<minakov>include arrows, folder symbols, etc
21:06<hogren>thx dpkg
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21:07<minakov>which file I must edit?
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21:07<Arrowmaster>minakov: are you meaning the actual tty console or just a console you open up inside X?
21:08<minakov>all terminals(urxvt+gnome-terminal) and ttys haven't some symbols, that present in ubuntu by default
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21:10<Arrowmaster>well i dont know what font ubuntu uses by default but i thought the dejavu family was used as the default font in X and it should have most symbols
21:11<hogren>dpkg :(
21:11<dpkg>)
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21:11<minakov>Arrowmaster, I choose all fonts in gnome-term, but noone is show my PS1, worked in ubuntu:  \h \[\033[33m\]  \[\033[0m\]:(\w)\n
21:11<hogren>dont work
21:11<hogren>the aptitude unmarkauto
21:12<minakov>such as dpkg-reconfigure console-setup and choose all symbols with cyrillic, arabic, hebrew symbols...
21:12<Arrowmaster>console-setup wont effect gnome-terminal
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21:13<minakov>but there is no effect for ttys. wait oh~
21:13<minakov>one minute :) just try
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21:14<Arrowmaster>im using the Terminus font in gnome-terminal and it showed those 3 symbols you mentioned
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21:15<Arrowmaster>im using the Terminus font in gnome-terminal and it showed those 3 symbols you mentioned
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21:15<Arrowmaster>although it might be getting those symbols from another font because X can do that, in the ttys the font used must actually have the symbol to display it afaik
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21:17<minakov>okey, Arrowmaster , what DE/WM you using?
21:17<Arrowmaster>gnome
21:17<minakov>hmm
21:17<minakov>default installed?
21:18<minakov>tty show me only blocks
21:18<Arrowmaster>yes, although i dont know if the terminus font is installed by default
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21:20<minakov>installing xfonts-terminus...
21:21<minakov>nowei doesn't work..
21:22<minakov>terminus don't show me that...
21:23<minakov>http://ompldr.org/vNnIzZQ
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21:25<minakov>!ru
21:25<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net. or use English here.
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21:33<b0red>i have windows , and ubuntu and iwant to install debian , what about grub ?
21:33<b0red>i mean since its installed with ubuntu
21:34<cthuluh>either keep the grub that comes with ubuntu or use the one provided with debian
21:34<cthuluh>both should recognize the other GNU/Linux' partition, and both should recognize windows
21:35<b0red>if i install it with the one coming with debian , will it boot ubuntu
21:35<b0red>normaly wihtout facing probs ?
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21:35<cthuluh>it should, yes. (please note the use of *should* here :) )
21:36<b0red>lol , thank you
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21:36<hogren>http://textup.fr/1679M0
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21:37<hogren>please help me :) again
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21:37<sney>hogren: did anyone show you !unmarkauto ?
21:38<hogren>yes
21:38<hogren>but dont work
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21:39<sney>try just 'apt-get install xserver-xorg' so it will see X as being installed manually
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21:41<hogren>but it's not the case
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21:42<sney>what you want to do is trick apt so it behaves
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21:43<hogren>i go bed
21:43<hogren>goog night
21:43<sney>when you install it directly it says, ok, this guy wants X, we won't remove it
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21:47<dvs>cee lo!
21:48<sney>you're driving round town with the girl I love, and I'm like, that's kinda messed up. what happened?
21:48<dvs>heh
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22:25<dario_>ciao
22:25<dario_>!list
22:25<dpkg>VATTENE VIA!
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23:45<retrospectacus>!qotd0
23:45<dpkg>my sanity check is a race condition. - Jim Dennis
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23:57<yang_>Just out of curroisty what wirless device is this 0c:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Broadcom Corporation BCM4312 802.11b/g LP-PHY [14e4:4315] (rev 01)? BCM4312 or 4315 ?
23:57<sney>4312
23:59<yang_>So this device supports the B43 Driver ?
23:59<gsimmons>yang_: It does since Linux 2.6.32 ; /msg dpkg bcm4312
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