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#debian IRC Logs for 2010-12-28

---Logopened Tue Dec 28 00:00:10 2010
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00:33<kd123>hi, does anyone know when squeeze will be stable?
00:33<retrospectacus>nope
00:34<retrospectacus>there is a betting pool
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00:47<Ironictiger>I have an interesting dilemma. I want debian on this computer. I use a macbook, but it's been so long since I've touched it, it no longer has os x and it has a windows 7 trial that restarts every 2 hours. Where would be a good guide to learn how to install this?
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00:49<retrospectacus>!install
00:49<dpkg>There are a myriad different ways to install Debian. See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer for a list of images. Ask me about <install guide> and <d-i> for detailed instructions. (If you've never installed Debian before, you should read the install guide.)
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00:50<Ironictiger>yeah I've never installed debian before. Thanks for the website link retro.
00:51<retrospectacus>yep just install debian on the mac. I've never tried a mac but debian supports the mac architectures
00:55<Ironictiger>so for intel macs, you'd use the i386 right?
00:56<Arrowmaster>i386 or amd64 i think
00:57<Arrowmaster>i didnt think any intel macs are 32bit only
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00:59<Ironictiger>this one is running a 32 bit windows so I'll i386 to be safe
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01:05<Ironictiger>okay I'm a noob. when I download i386 I don't know how to burn the image to a disk. Are these directions the correct way to do it? http://pcsupport.about.com/od/toolsofthetrade/ht/burnisofile.htm
01:05<kd123>retrospectacus: yes, I have heard of the pool lol :) I was just wondering if anyone had a better idea of its release date.
01:05<kd123>Ironictiger: you are using windows now right?
01:06<Ironictiger>yes, windows 7
01:06<kd123>yeah do you have Nero installed? that will burn isos
01:06<Ironictiger>I do not.
01:07<kd123>ok let me think... when I used windows I used a free program to burn stuff... give me a sec to look it up
01:07<Ironictiger>Thanks for helping me out kd!
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01:09<kd123>Ironictiger: yeah no problem :)... the program I used was InfraRecorder.... here's the link http://infrarecorder.org/
01:09<Ironictiger>awesome, thanks again
01:10<kd123>yeah make sure to back up your data :)
01:11<kd123>I mean when you wipe your windows install to install linux :)
01:12<kd123>Ironictiger: you know you could try a live dvd to see if you like debian before you install the entire thing
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01:12<chron>i noticed that livecd's like knoppix automatically create /mnt/hdX or /mnt/sdX or whatever folders
01:12<chron>how does it do it?
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01:13<kd123>chron: I'm not sure :(
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03:09<kernix360>hey all
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03:33<gemminiah>i loaded a debootstrap system for chroot use and inside the chroot apt-get complains that it can't authenticate packages... i see that the keys look good (has "Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key") so what's the problem?
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03:49<D4V|D3>Ciao a tutti
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04:37<fossiiil>hi debianeez
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04:44<dominick>hi! I am trying to burn an image onto a DVD+RW disc using k3b.
04:44<dominick>I am able to format/erase the medium.
04:44<dominick>but when I try to burn the image, the burn medium is not being detected.
04:45<dominick>am I doing something wrong?
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05:08<deather>bonjour est ce que quelqu'un peut me donner un coup de main pour l'installation d'une carte wifi (Broadcom Corporation BCM4312 802.11b/g LP-PHY (rev 01)) s'il vous plaît
05:08<Hydroxide>!fr deather
05:08<Hydroxide>!fr
05:08<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net.
05:08<deather>oh sorry
05:08<Hydroxide>deather: bonne chance :)
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05:09<Hydroxide>[good luck]
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05:09<Hydroxide>deather: alternatively we can help you in english here. though I will go to sleep, others will be here too.
05:09<deather>I don't understand how I go here
05:09<deather>have good day
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05:10<devil>apt-get install firmware-b43-lpphy-installer
05:11<devil>ups. gone
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05:56<skeksis>Hey guys, I'm having a bit of trouble with fglrx-sources not compiling properly on amd64 Lenny, I can make it compile by editing /usr/src/fglrx.tar.bz2 after the install has initially bombed out however KDM isn't happy about it on reboot
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05:58<skeksis>I'm trying to get ati-driver-installer-10-*-x86.x86_64.run installed for my ATI Radeon HD 5850. Can anyone help?
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07:20<EmleyMoor>My motherboard sound has disapperead - no longer shows in /proc/asound/cards
07:21<EmleyMoor>Ah, a force-reload has fixed
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08:26<Tester>hello everybody...
08:26-!-Tester is now known as ronpune
08:27<ronpune>i am facing a problem...kindly can anyone f u help me???
08:28<f8l>ronpune: Just ask your question.
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08:29<ronpune>okies...i am working as a tester with at&t..the system works in ksh shell...i have made aliases for common cmds..
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08:30<ronpune>Now i want to save it in a script or add it somewhere so that i don't have to execute aliases everytime i login..i am not admin
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08:31<ronpune>I am nt admin..i want to store aliases in as script ..but its not working
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08:33<ronpune>Hi did u get my query??
08:34<ronpune>hi i have a query
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08:34<f8l>ronpune: "Not working" does not tell us much...
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08:35<f8l>ronpune: Please be more patient. Most of us don't track the channel all the time.
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08:36<f8l>ronpune: You can find information on what files are executed at startup of the shell in its manual. `man ksh`
08:36<ronpune>okies..i am sorry i am new to irc..plz forgive..the aliases does not set if embedded in ascript
08:37<ronpune>It works fine in cmd line
08:38<ronpune>I had chkd ksh manual..keeping it in etc/profile serves purpose but i dont have access
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08:45<valdyn>ronpune: /etc/profile globally is ~/.profile for a user
08:48<ronpune>I have a /local.profile in my home dir..name might be wrong but its lyk that.i have edited it and when i relogged in..it did not execute..i cnfrmd it by putting a echo cmd
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08:49<ompaul>ronpune: /home/ronpune/.profile is the file
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08:51<ronpune>ok...can anyone f u suggest a workaround..1 more thing though its debian community..my os is sunos..i guess its more or less same when it comes to these issues..i hope my question was nt irrevelant
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08:56<f8l>ronpune: A workaround? Just create the file and put your alias commands there.
08:57<f8l>ronpune: Not that different files are executed for a login shell and for non-login shell. You have to look up which file is executed when you want it to be.
08:59<ronpune>Ok..i thought the same way and put the commands in a script..and then changed permission for execution..executed it..executes fine without glitch but aliases does'nt get set
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09:03<f8l>ronpune: I don't think it can be a random script. You have to put it in a special file your shell executes at startup. The only way to test it is to relog (in case of console), restart the terminal emulator (in case of using one), or use su (universal).
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09:07<Kshguy>hi..ronpun is now known as kshguy..sorry got disconnected..i hope i did not miss anything :)
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09:09<f8l>Kshguy: Did you get my message after your last message? "I don't think it...."
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09:09<Kshguy>no..i did'nt
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09:14<Kshguy>ok..thanx man..i blv the script would have been smooth if it was bash but i read somewhere today that ksh might hv sme problem in setting up alias from..script..i don't knw if its bullshit but its true in my case
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09:15<Golfgeo>Hi all
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09:16<Kshguy>thanx every1 for..i'll really feel priviledged if i can contribute to some1 else's issues in future...i'm in awe of this channel..thnx once agn
09:17<Golfgeo>got a question... Compiling a new kernel for my old Pentium 75 machine on an other pc... And am wondering how I can use make manuconfig with no options set (of the machnine i'm compiling on)
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09:18<cahoot>there are always some basic options set AFAIK
09:18<cahoot>..but if you mean how to create a .config from scratch IIRC you just run make menuconfig
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09:19<Golfgeo>cahoot, I remember there is an option that does not set the default cpu to (Via C3) but uses the default accrording to the source itself...
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09:20<Golfgeo>I want it to be as clean as possible you know :-)
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09:22<Golfgeo>I should practise more with this though haha
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09:22<Golfgeo>going back to google :D But thanks cahoot :-)
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09:25<Rovanion>Does anyone know how to debug a Maestro-3i soundcard that doesn't wake up after s2ram?
09:26<cahoot>tried alsa force-reload?
09:26<Rovanion>cahoot, No, will do!
09:26<Golfgeo>cahoot make defconfig
09:26<Golfgeo>whee :D
09:27<Golfgeo>all in the README file of the source :D
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09:27<Rovanion>cahoot, That woorked bloody well thank you!
09:27<cahoot>Rovanion: rather brutal though
09:28<Rovanion>cahoot, But much much better than rebooting the machine
09:28<cahoot>does that card use some firmware?
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09:29<francisc>someone knows if lh_build should generate an binary.img file?
09:29<Rovanion>cahoot, If I remember correctly I had to get it separately from the base install because it's license was unclear.
09:30<cahoot>Rovanion: you might look at pm-utils logs to why it kept sleeping
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09:30<cahoot>(possibly)
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09:32<Rovanion>The sympthom is this: After the system wakes up, any media player can continue to play whatever track it was playing. But once that song is over there's no way to get any sound out of the machine. Except if reloading alsa as you showed
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09:32<Rovanion>cahoot, Where do I find this log?
09:33<ballison>I have a script that generates a report from the command line, and it's formated for monospaced terminal font.
09:33<ballison>when i take that and pipe it through mail to mail out the report and read it in gmail all the spacing is all messed up.
09:34<cahoot>(possibly) /var/log/pmsuspend.log
09:34<ballison>because gmail isn't showing the text file as raw text.
09:34<ballison>is it possible to tell mail when you pipe the output of the script through mail to use a monospaced font?
09:34<cahoot> /var/log/pm-suspend.log rather
09:34<bartm>ballison, maybe use html with the <pre> tag
09:34<ballison>example: myscript.pl | mail -s "report" me@here.com -font "monospaced" ??? is there something like that I can do to fix the font?
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09:35<ballison>bartm: But how do i tell mail that's it's content-type is html instead of text? since i'm piping it to mail on the command line?
09:36<ballison>bartm: It's coming through as Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
09:36<ballison>bartm: If it was coming through as Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 I could give it a font family
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09:40<Rovanion>cahoot, Didn't find anything of interest in that log. Is there any script that's run on resume whichin I can put #alsa reload ?
09:40<ballison>so no way to tell mail from the command line the content type ??
09:40<ballison>for "myscript.pl | mail " ??
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09:43<cahoot>Rovanion: you probably could create a file in /etc/pm/sleep.d (don't ask me how/what)
09:43<Rovanion>May google guide my ways
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09:46<ballison>that's weird. gmail shows the file correctly as a text file when i send it as an attachment, but not when i send it inline.
09:46<ballison>when i send it inline it uses the wrong fonts for displaying a text file.
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09:46<ballison>but when you click the attachment it shows the text file as a monospaced file correctly.
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09:53<Golfgeo>Wondering if MMX is shown as a cpu flag when using cat /proc/cpuinfo
09:54<Golfgeo>*is
09:54<Golfgeo>lol, correction of a perfect sentinse
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09:56<Golfgeo>ah, no mmx oh oh, the little cpu that still could :D
09:57<abrotman>!cpu flags
09:57<abrotman>!cpuflags
09:57<dpkg>A list of cpuflags and their meaning: http://blog.incase.de/index.php/cpu-feature-flags-and-their-meanings/
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10:01<Golfgeo>thanks abrotman :-)
10:01<Silicium01>Guys, what group do I need to add apache/php user to allow it to change system date?
10:02<Silicium01>I need to do this temporarily to testing, need to have php change system date in a script
10:03<abrotman>why would you want apache to change the date?
10:04<Rovanion>I also have an issue where my sound gets interrupted once in a while, and I need to pause and then resume the track to get sound in my speakers again.
10:04<Rovanion>Either that or wait for the next track
10:04<gsimmons>Rovanion: IIRC, snd_maestro3 is considered "unsuspendable", at least according to the hibernate script.
10:05<Rovanion>gsimmons, That means that I pritty much have to reload alsa each time. And if that works I'm happy
10:05<Rovanion>?
10:05<Silicium01>abrotman, long story short: I'm running script that depends on system date to do a calculation. Loop is 100 000 long and I need to step 1 week ahead every 1000
10:06<Silicium01>abrotman, There is no php workaround for this, so I need to allow (I think www-data) user to change date via date --set
10:06<abrotman>whoa .. uhm .. that seems like a horrible idea
10:06<abrotman>why not just use a different date in the calculation?
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10:07<Silicium01>abrotman, I cant, the calculation uses other classes that I can not inject fake date into
10:07<Golfgeo>gtg people, have fun and thanks :-)
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10:08<abrotman>Silicium01: this is going to cause issues on your system
10:08<Silicium01>I need to temporarily allow apache to do this and then revert back the provileges
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10:09<Silicium01>abrotman, what issues? Cant I add apache to whatever group and then revert back in 5 mins?
10:09<rpetre>Silicium01: there are some nasty classes of side-effects when messing with the system date
10:09<rpetre>most likely it's worth it to investigate overriding those classes
10:09<abrotman>Silicium01: system emails? filesystem writes in the future?
10:09<Silicium01>ah
10:09<Silicium01>crap
10:10<rpetre>various lockfiles going screwy
10:10<Silicium01>what if I do it on a virtual machine? that should work right?
10:11<abrotman>why not just fix the script to not change the system date ?
10:11<rpetre>Silicium01: how is the system date used?
10:12<Silicium01>I'll go try my best to see if I can somehow mess with those classes. If I fail, I'll come back and maybe do this on a virtual machine and then trash it.
10:13<Silicium01>Thanks for help and warning guys, you just saved me from messing up my home machine :)
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10:15<abrotman>did that seem full of fail?
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10:28<gsimmons>Rovanion: That or unload snd_maestro3 prior to suspend (hibernate unloads blacklisted modules by default).
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10:29<Rovanion>gsimmons, Will it be reloaded again on resume? And where is the blacklist?
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10:30<gsimmons>Rovanion: Yes and /etc/hibernate/blacklisted-modules.
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10:31<Rovanion>gsimmons, Thank you once again for your wonderful support
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10:37<Rovanion>gsimmons, Though this is odd, from what I understand snd_maestro3 is already on my blacklist for kernel 2.6 to 2.6.99 which means now.
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10:50<Roofus901>good morning everyone
10:50<Roofus901>i must say, debian is the best OS choice i've made every
10:50<Roofus901>hands down
10:50<dvs>???
10:50<dvs>that's a diff!
10:51<dvs>but we'll take it.
10:51<dvs>;-)
10:51<Roofus901>i mean, even with the dressing up using compiz, it still out-performs winblows 7 + xp by a mile
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10:52<Roofus901>plus it runs 2 of my favorite games in wine, cod mw2 and devil may cry 4
10:52<Roofus901>the rest i have for ps3 lol
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10:52<Roofus901>this is seriously the most epic OS ever made
10:53<devil>who called? what is your wish, Sir?
10:53<Roofus901>i'm not going to lie, i tried ubuntu for seriously like 2 minutes and got sick to my stomach
10:53<Roofus901>i much rather be all up in the terminal controlling everything
10:53<Roofus901>than some crackhead with a mouse button :-p
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10:54<Roofus901>anyway, i'm done rambling now lol
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10:54<dvs>heh
10:55<Roofus901>hi dvs, named after the shoe company by any chance?
10:55<dvs>??? nope
10:55<Roofus901>oh, sry lol
10:55<Roofus901><---Skateboard | DVS = skateboarding shoe company
10:56<jhutchins_lt>Roofus901: Could we get back to Debian support please?
10:56<Roofus901>yes :D
10:56<dvs>hey, i prefer the praise
10:56<Daskreech>:-)
10:56<Roofus901>for support....hmmm, ok i got 1. what do you guys recommend for an IM client?
10:57<Daskreech>I'm trying to make a debian package from source but the .deb only has configuration files in it when it's done
10:57<Daskreech>What could be causing that?
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10:58<Daskreech>Roofus901: in general or for a particular protocol?
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10:58<lapfrog>Roofus901, did you try pidgin?
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10:59<Roofus901>lapfrog, i had looked at it, and it seemed good...i was just getting a second opinion to see if anyone knew of one they preferred more that i may not know of, i'll stick to pidgin
11:00<lapfrog>Roofus901, how about you try them all out and see for yourself
11:01<lapfrog>just do a package search and see what comes up for 'instant messaging' or something similar
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11:01<chealer>Roofus901: which desktop environment do you use?
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11:02<Roofus901>gnome
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11:07<seanius_>Roofus901: I use pidgin myself, but if you want an alternative empathy would be one
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11:07<Roofus901>seanius_, also, is there a way to add timestamps to the xchat window?
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11:09<Daskreech>Anyone has a small insight for deb packaging?
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11:10<Tiff>http://wiki.debian.org/IntroDebianPackaging
11:10<Tiff>?
11:10<Roofus901>nvm, i found it
11:11<Daskreech>Tiff: I followed that but the package comes out with just the configuration files when i run dpkg --contents on it
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11:16<Roofus901>brb, gotta reboot
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11:16<Guest2524>Does anybody know where to find driver for AW-NE104? (wireless card, linux)
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11:17<cahoot>Guest2524: start with its pciid - lspci -nn
11:17<cahoot>!wifi
11:17<dpkg>Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <b43>, <brcm80211>, <wl>; Intel: <ipw2100>, <ipw2200>, <iwlwifi>, <iwlagn>; Intersil: <prism>; Marvell: <marvell>; Ralink: <ralink>; Realtek: <rtl-wifi>; TI: <acx>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See also: <wlan howto>, <wpa>, <killswitch>. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi
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11:24<kent>hihi
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11:24<Guest2524>cahoot: thx -> RTL8191SEvB Wireless LAN Controller
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11:27<gsimmons>dpkg: rtl8191se
11:27<dpkg>The Realtek RTL8191SE is a PCI-E 802.11n wireless LAN chipset (PCI-IDs 10ec:8171, 10ec:8172). Not supported by the mainline Linux kernel at this time. Vendor driver (rtl8192se) is available from http://people.debian.org/~benh/rtl-wlan/ . See also <rtl8192se>.
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11:47<mrcl>hello, i tried to make dual screen, after 2 hours of strugles with xorg.conf I have finally managed to fix it up. Now I've got some other problem. I've got two screens, but only on one of them there is panel (with hour, programs, options etc.) and it is on this secondary screen. How to place it on my main screen.
11:50<fnmueller>mrcl: the most simple way would be to change the cables
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11:51<mrcl>well, that are different screens (one is using normal HDMI, second VGA cable) so its not possible :)
11:53<mrcl>fnmueller: could you help me fix it out? i think i have tried every combination in xorg.conf :)
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11:54<fnmueller>mrcl: I changed settings like that ages ago. xorg.conf is the correct file. All you have to do is define screen1 (primary) before screen2 (I hope I really remember this correctly)
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11:59<francis_>кто нибудь здесь говорит по русски
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12:00<abrotman>!ru
12:00<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net. or use English here.
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13:18<bittin>bittin@jabber.se i need more geeks to chat with :)
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13:23<rss>hi all
13:24<rss>using current version of konversatin with unstable crashes xserver any ideas
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13:26<ballison>i need a software recomendation.... i need a way to monitor all my logs in production for our applications, i need to parse them and create an alert on "error"
13:26<ballison>any suggestions ?
13:27<devil>rss: cannot reproduce, konversation runs 24/7 here (unstable, kde 4.5.3)
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13:28<rss>ballison: nagios with plugins should fit your bill
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13:29<rss>devil: Iḿ using konverstaion 4.4.5 from sid
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13:29<devil>i have that on a notebook, never crashed either
13:30<rss>devil: I misread konversation in my sid is 1.3.1 kde v 4.4.5
13:31<rss>devil I kan start konversation, but as soon as i connect to server my xserver crashes no mesages the logs :(
13:31<devil>rss: any server?
13:32<rss>devil: server? irc or X server ?
13:33<devil>rss: irc
13:33<rss>devil: irc serve irs.debian.org
13:33<rss>devil:oops irc.debian.org
13:33<devil>rss: i am pretty sure its not konversations fault
13:34<Guest2535>Hello everybody! How I can to install modules the ROUTE for iptables? I have debian Lenny with kernal 2.6.26-2-686. Can i do this without compile kernel?
13:34<gabrieluk>hi!i sucesfully installed Debian for the first time in a dual-boot system.First impressions:i dont like the built in browsers,how can i download fire fox?apt-get install fire fox?I'm a big fan of wesnoth,so using gnome gui,i went to add/remove programs...nice list,with wesnoth included.i downloaded but then a dissapointment...the download was version 1.4.4,and is very old !!!!! :( wesnoth to...
13:34<gabrieluk>...be played online needs latest version 1.8.5!!!!So i was wondering,would the packages from that list be all the same out of date?overall,i love debian,looks very stable
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13:35<rss>devil: yes I'm inclined to this its something with my KDE version. I'm using e17 self compiled on xserver 1.9.2.902 wich is 1.9.3 rc2
13:36<rss>gabrieluk: apt-get install iceweasel
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13:36<devil>gabrieluk: firefox in debian isa calle4d iceweasel (for the time being, might change back to firefox soonish)
13:36<gabrieluk>i have icewasel installed already,i want the original firefox
13:37<EmleyMoor>gabrieluk: Packages are not generally updated once a Debian release has gone "stable"
13:37<gabrieluk>ahh,ok.so i wont find firefox
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13:37<rss>gabrieluk: only difference between version of icewaesel an firefox is labeling and artwork. possibly your version of debian is lenny and that might have an older version of iceweasel installed
13:37<devil>gabrieluk: its just a diffrerent name
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13:37<gabrieluk>right,so it means they will be all out of date :(
13:38<EmleyMoor>gabrieluk: If you wan
13:38<gabrieluk>devil,k :)
13:38<jorge909_>Hi all. This is my first time in irc; I have a question about bash scripting, is this the right place to ask?
13:38<ompaul>gabrieluk: what you are suggesting is not great, the idea is as follows, you use the packages that are updated by debian, if you fail to do this you have a delta (i.e. a gap) they get security updates. the more applications you install randomly the more unstable you will make your install. Never a great idea.
13:38<EmleyMoor>jorge909_: If you are running bash on a Debian system, yes.
13:38<rss>gabrieluk: you could try the squeeze release. that is now frozen and likely to become stable soon
13:39<devil>gabrieluk: there is a iceweasel 4-beta version in a mozilla repository, also there is chromium-browser
13:39<adarnimrod>jorge909: probably not.
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13:39<gabrieluk>ompsul,thus debian is more recommend as a webserver,not as a desktop
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13:40<gabrieluk>ompaul,sry*
13:40<ompaul>gabrieluk: no
13:40<jorge909_>@adarnimrod sorry for bothering then.. Could you suggest an irc channel that would be better for me?
13:41<rss>gabrieluk: I have been running debian as a desktop since the slink release
13:41<gabrieluk>so you are suggestion that should not updrage any package from that list of add/remove programs section?
13:41<gabrieluk>suggesting*
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13:42<ompaul>gabrieluk: how about this, get used to the way that debian behaves before you go changing things, so what is broken that you feel that the other package is better, remembering that debian gets security updates and works together
13:42<EmleyMoor>gabrieluk: If you want your system to remain reasonably stable, use as much of its original packages as you can - and consider backports if you simply must go newer
13:42<adarnimrod>jorge909: I don't know of one, maybe the gnu mailing list, or if there are any gnu irc channels.
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13:43<ompaul>gabrieluk: did you install lenny or squeeze?
13:43<ballison>i have a dumb question. why are some kernels -486 and some -686 ? I thought the dash 686 meant 64 bit , but i was just told that amd64 means 64 bit.....
13:44<jorge909_>@adarnimrod thanks a lot, I'll check these
13:44<adarnimrod>jorge909: stackoverflow.
13:44<EmleyMoor>ballison: Optimised for different processors (686=P2 and higher)
13:44<gabrieluk>mmm,i dunno,i dont like this lack of flexibility...for the vps webserver is fine tough,but for my desktop,wich is always crazy with new apps ,it might not be a good idea....
13:44<ballison>EmleyMoor: SO 686 is optimized for newer kernels but NOT 64 bit ? ok.
13:44<gabrieluk>im using lenny,ompaul
13:45<rss>ballison: questions are never dumb. i686 is the intel 32 bit achitecture amd64 is the 64 bit architecture ia64 is the intel 64 bit architecure (itanium / itanic)
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13:45<ompaul>gabrieluk: here is the deal, squeeze will be along soon. What happens next is up to you, do you install squeeze, how do you deal with the delta's you have created?
13:46<rss>gabrieluk: updating to squeeze might be an idea. I don't know the current version of iceweasel in squeeze, but it is bound to be more recent than lenny's
13:46<gabrieluk>ahhh,i see ,if i dont have "deltas",the upgrade would be smoth....
13:46<ompaul>gabrieluk: now you're thinking
13:46<EmleyMoor>3.5.15 is the iceweasel version in squeeze
13:46<gabrieluk>im always thinking paul,always... ;)
13:47<ballison>rss: but i'm full of dumb questions. :) at least i try to find the answer first on google before coming here. :)
13:47<ompaul>gabrieluk: you could update to squeeze, and watch it "mature" into your stable desktop, you can do that today.
13:48<rss>gabrieluk: squeeze is a good choice. if you have only just installed lenny edit /etc/source.list change lenny/stable to squueze/frozen.
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13:48<gabrieluk>its ok tough,debian will be my webserver,and ubuntu my desktop.i made my mind already
13:48<rss>gabrieluk: apt-get update; apt-get upgrade; apt-get dist-upgrade
13:49<gabrieluk>i cannot aford to have such "stable" desktop,too many apps
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13:50<gabrieluk>rss,ahh,ok ty :D
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13:50<rss>ballison: don't worry about the questions. If you have a recent processor the amd64 arch is probably good for you
13:51<gabrieluk>would be an easy task to connect ubuntu to a remote debian server?
13:51<ompaul>gabrieluk: I'm not going to debate it with you, I will make the same suggestion again, I think you should try squeeze first.
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13:51<ompaul>gabrieluk: you can use a web browser, you can use ssh, scp, rsync and so on
13:51<rss>gabrieluk: what type of connection are you thinking of? file share? ssh?
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13:52<gabrieluk>its all right,tough.im totally new to linux,so im trying a bit of all anyway.for sure i will install squezze,and debian,anyways is one of the most important things for me right now ,as im setting up a vps.
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13:52<rss>gabliekuk: vps?
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13:53<gabrieluk>yes vps
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13:53<rss>gabliekuk: acronym? what for?
13:53<gabrieluk>virtual private server
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13:53<gabrieluk>a server
13:53<gabrieluk>unmanaged
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13:54<rss>gabliekuk: ok server, what for apache, vpn connections? squeezebox server?
13:54<jordanm>gabrieluk: are you saying you have rented a VPS through like a hosting company?
13:54<gabrieluk>i m setting up an unmanagged virtual webserver bsed on lenny
13:54<gabrieluk>yeap
13:54<gabrieluk>i rented
13:54<jordanm>gabrieluk: depending on the virtualization software, you will not be able to install any OS that you want on it
13:55<jordanm>your host, who has access to the hardware node, has to do the installation of the OS
13:55<acu>I want to use debian-installer and install squeeze with usb stick - I usually did with CD
13:55<gabrieluk>naa,its all good.its a fine hosting company tough ;)
13:55<jordanm>!tell acu about usb install
13:55<acu>I want to netinstall
13:55<rss>gabrieluk: the vps has lenny installed I guess then, Well apt-get install apache2 and be ready to serve pages
13:56<gabrieluk>yeap,rss,i've got already the whole lamp stack installed ;)
13:56<rss>gabrieluk: what virtualisation platform are you on?
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13:56<jordanm>gabrieluk: what is the current issue?
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13:57<acu>jordanm: is any other link with newer - squeeze amd
13:57<gabrieluk>im running a linode,anyone that wants a vps for 20$,go for it! linode.com
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13:57<jordanm>acu: the steps should be the same for squeeze
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13:57<gabrieluk>ps:im not earning any affiliate link ;)
13:57<jordanm>you may have to look harder for the boot.gz however
13:57<rss>gabrieluk: is that a vmware platform, xen or kms
13:58<rss>gabrieluk: is that a vmware platform, xen or kvs
13:58<rss>argh kvm
13:58<gabrieluk>not sure,i think xen
13:58<jordanm>rss: you assume is a real vps, and not a container like 90% of the VPSs out there
13:58*jordanm guesses openVZ
13:58<rss>gabrieluk: if the machine is a real xen then an upgrade to squeeze should be possible.
13:59<gabrieluk>i think this guys are very serious indeed linode.com
13:59<gabrieluk>www.linode.com
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14:00<gabrieluk>yes,it is xen
14:00<jordanm>not that you should upgrade a production server to squeeze
14:00<jordanm>and with xen, you will not have access to upgrade the kernel
14:01<jordanm>unless linode provides some special method of uploading a kernel to the dom0
14:02<rss>gabrieluk,jordanm: upgrade of a xen machine should not be a problem. I have installed xen i686 and amd64 with lenny and squeeze with business card iso remote to data centers
14:02<gabrieluk>cool
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14:02<jordanm>rss: sounds like the remote location gave you a method of booting the business card
14:02<rss>gabrieluk,jordanm: to be fair i do have ilo/drac access
14:03<jordanm>eg. a remote "xm console"
14:03<gabrieluk>i will be using lenny for now...i will install squeeze locally first
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14:03<jordanm>to be fair, I work for a hosting company that does not use xen, but that is what my personal vps is :)
14:04<rss>jordanm: you only ned console access to the xen machine. you can provision from there. ilo/drac access is easier though
14:05<jordanm>rss: I have never had the oppurtunity to work with either
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14:05<rss>jordanm: sorry ;)
14:07<rss>gabrieluk: on amd64 businesscard iso only the non pv kernel is available. you need to update to the linux-image-xen-amd64.
14:08<acu>I have downloaded the boot.img.gz in the hard disk - how do I transfer it to the usb so it works - I am trying to install debian - squeeze in usb
14:08<rss>gabrieluk: yes this is from the standard debian repositories. they are really good.
14:08<hyde>i'm running a java program on a single cpu/core system.. top shows the process is taking 50%+ cpu time, although in the totals it's showing about 80-90% cpu idle time... am i reading something wrong ?
14:08<dvs>acu: dd for Windows
14:10<rss>hyde: rest is probably overhead for the jvm or possibly ther stuff you are also running. Remember linux is multiprocess/multiuser
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14:11<rss>hyde: always look at the load average for the machine to judge machine load
14:11<hyde>rss, but in that case shouldnt' i expect there be less idle time ? what i'm seeing is that there is too much total idle time for what i see in the per-process section
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14:14<rss>hyde: idle cannot be more that 100% and probably never is. Om my workstation i have an average load of 0.8 but the most any process is taking is 3.3% of cpu. The 0.8 means that i am close to fully loading the single core that I have
14:14<gabrieluk>gtg,cya! :D
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14:16<hyde>rss, ok but i still don't really get the numbers... if top shows java taking 60%, shouldn't the idle time be <40% ?
14:16<rpetre>rss: nope, it means that the number of running and uninterruptible processes is on average 0.8
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14:19<rss>hyde: check average load. my current load say 0.21 that is 21% of the single core current ide is 90%
14:21<jordanm>uhh, I don't think that is how load average is calculated
14:21<hyde>rss, k, will do, thanks !
14:21<jordanm>http://www.teamquest.com/resources/gunther/display/5/index.htm
14:21<dvs>rss: the load average is the average number of prcesses waiting to be executed.
14:22<jordanm>dvs: evaluated in a convoluted way :)
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14:22<hyde>anyone know why my numbers don't add up though ?
14:22<rss>jordanm: load average is load average over time. 1 miute 5 minute 15 minutes in my case top is configurable after all
14:22<jordanm>rss: right, but 0.21 != 21%
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14:23<rss>jordanm: yes, i agree load of 1 = fully loaded processor i.e. no spare cycles at all we now have lag. as long a load is under 1 its okay because spare cycles are available
14:24<dvs>rss: you have lag if the number is not zero.
14:24<jordanm>rss: 1 is not a max load average and does not indicate a full loaded CPU
14:25<rss>dvs: you have lag even is number is zero
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14:25<rss>dvs: disk access etc.
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14:26<rss>jordanm: 0.21 load = to 21% is a simplification, true. I works well enough for me though.
14:26<jordanm>rss: I have seen load averages > 50
14:26<dvs>same here
14:28<rss>jordanm: avarage over 50. Yes so have I. My NSLU2 often has a load avarage over 5 minute of 30. The system bacomes completely unresponsive to interactive user input. It still carries out the tasks I set it. Just much more slowly
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14:30<rpetre>rss: on linux, loadavg includes the D state processes, as far as i know on other unices its meaning is more straightforward, since only running processes count
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14:36<rss>afk
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14:42<rss>jordanm, rpetre,dvs: check http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/9001. Avarage load only measures CPU. Process % measure percantage of used cycle in alocated time slices.
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14:42<rpetre>rss: not on linux
14:43<rpetre>average load is technically the EWMA average of the process queue length
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14:44<rpetre>rss: jordanm's link is the best explanation i've seen, bar reading the kernel source
14:44<dvs>rss: "The state in question is CPU load—not to be confused with CPU percentage"
14:45<rss>rpetre: did you mean my link? I've been away from keyboard. please explain.
14:45<rpetre>rss: no, i meant 21:21 < jordanm> http://www.teamquest.com/resources/gunther/display/5/index.htm
14:46<rss>rpetre: OK, I'll read that
14:46<rss>afk
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14:59<nodiscc>hello all, i'm trying to add tasks to debian-installer. i'm using simple-cdd. i'd like to add new .desc files to allow fine-grained package selection, eg "multimedia station", "video tools".... would you know how to do that?
14:59<rss>rpetre,dvs: back from reading article. Yes, that is a good explanation. Simplifying to load < 1 work 1 cpu can handle. load > 1 on singlu cpu means more work 1 cpu can handle
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14:59<rpetre>rss: as i said, not on linux
14:59<rpetre>since it counts D state processes
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15:00<rpetre>i've seen NFS clients with loadavg >600 (yes, hundreds) and mostly idle cpus
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15:00<rpetre>the only thing loadavg can compare to is past values of itself, on the same machine :)
15:01<ballison>does chroot not allow wildcards (*) in command line commands?
15:01<ballison>when i run "chroot /target ls /root/debs/*.deb" i get back an error
15:01<ballison>but when I run "chroot /target ls /root/debs/" it works
15:01<rpetre>ballison: the star is expanded by your current shell
15:01<ballison>it gives me a file not found when I use the star
15:02<rss>rpetre: yes past values of self!
15:02<rpetre>try chroot /target bash -c 'ls /root/debs/*.deb'
15:02<rpetre>rss: as in "more than yesterday"
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15:02<rpetre>rss: not number of cores or anything
15:02<ballison>rpetre: ah - much better - thanks!
15:02<rss>rpetre: again yes as more than yesterday
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15:06<nodiscc>no ideas about my tasksel problem?
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15:22<simcop2387>ok i've got a debian testing system that's got root on md+lvm, for some reason it's decided not to boot properly and i don't know why. it claims it can't find the volume group, and when i boot into the recovery console it seems to not want to start the array. if i start the array manually with mdadm --assemble and do a pvscan/vgchange it comes up find without any errors anywhere, where might i start looking to figure out what's goi
15:23<simcop2387>and i don't know if that got cut off
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15:26<majlo>hi, maybe somebody know nice richtext editor for linux?
15:26<majlo>something like wordpad
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15:27<nodiscc>majlo: you could try abiword, if that's what you need (?)
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15:35<majlo>Abiword is little heavy for my. Perfeclty will be app like kwrite with basic richtext support(font and color format). I found kjots but it can't export file to rtf format.
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15:40<Osiris_X>do any applications still use DNOTIFY?
15:41<Osiris_X>(up to date versions)
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16:01<ballison>i'm writing a script that needs to run commands inside a chroot'ed environment. do i need to put "chroot /target" in front of every single command? or is there a better way?
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16:02<valdyn>ballison: or you could put the script inside the chroot.
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16:06<ballison>valdyn: the script has to run outside the chroot. the chroot target is a newly imaged system. the script is running from outside the newly imaged systems. it's running inside the imaging ramdisk
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16:06<valdyn>ballison: the script is not running inside the chroot when you use the chroot command from the script
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16:07<ballison>valdyn: but you can't say "chroot /target ./myscript" because ./myscript has to exist inside the change root'ed enviroment
16:08<valdyn>ballison: if you cannot cp the script, then just use the chroot command each time.
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16:10<ballison>valdyn: hmmm might be a better way to do it. because i'm doing a chroot cd, followed by a command and I don't think that's gonna work.
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16:23<timon>oh dear ... I accidentally kicked off an avalanche :/
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16:24<timon>I tried to report a minor bug (cosmetic nature) for apache2 and ran into a serious problem with reportbug...
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16:26<babilen>bugs in reportbug? unheard of ;)
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16:28<timon>*g*
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16:29<timon>guess what? I'm too lazy to do all that reading (and writing again later on o_O) tonight ... I hope you'll all have a nice night :)
16:29<timon>I'll just sleep on it and hope the things fix themselves by tomorrow ;)
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17:00<molinaro>Saudações Interativas!
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17:01<molinaro>I am Brazil?
17:01<molinaro>Alguem quer tc?
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17:01<Hydroxide>!br
17:01<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
17:03<Hydroxide>(or ask for help here in english if you prefer)
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17:05<Hydroxide>ah, I didn't notice quite how quickly molinaro had quit :P
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17:07<abrotman>you're getting old :)
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17:41<HeadShot1911>Salut
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17:54<engywuck>hello
17:55<engywuck>I just upgraded from lenny to squeeze on this machine
17:55-!-f8l [~f8l@77.252.99.251] has joined #debian
17:55<engywuck>no problems that were unsolvable on the way :)
17:56<engywuck>only now my console (Ctrl-Alt-F1 etc) act a wee bit strange
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17:56<engywuck>the cursor position is some characters right of the really active position
17:56<engywuck>ah, forget it, somehow resolved itself
17:57<engywuck>just now
17:57<engywuck>strange
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18:06<jcarlos>Can someone tell me what the "f" letter means in the partitions list when installing debian with the debian installer ???
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18:06<jcarlos>I suppose letter "B" means Bootable ... but "f" ??
18:07<jcarlos>What does it mean ?
18:07<[e0f]>format?
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18:07<jcarlos>Mmmmm
18:07<jcarlos>Not formatted ?
18:07<jcarlos>Or marked to be formatted ...
18:08<[e0f]>yep
18:08<[e0f]>marked to be formatted
18:08<jcarlos>And F ?
18:08<jcarlos>uppercase
18:08<[e0f]>hm
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18:09<ainhoa>olAAAAA
18:10<ainhoa>ai alguien
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18:11<ainhoa>k ablass?
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18:13<ainhoa>estefaniaaaa
18:13<Estefania>Olaaa ainhopii
18:13<ainhoa>k tal?
18:13<Estefania>mui biien y tu?
18:14<ainhoa>olleeee
18:14<Estefania>QQ
18:15<ainhoa>oigaaaa
18:15<Estefania>k komo estas tuu?
18:15<Estefania>olle amiga?
18:15<Estefania>jajaja
18:15<ainhoa>tu ermana me esta diciendo una cosilla tuya intinma
18:15<Estefania>Q cosaa
18:15<ainhoa>der perro
18:15<ainhoa>culo
18:16<Estefania>se le abrera a ella
18:16<ainhoa>aaatii waarri
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18:16<Estefania>atio askerosaa
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18:17<Estefania>Olaa
18:17<xayon>!es
18:17<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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18:19<xayon>estefania, por favor, estas en un canal tecnico... no hace falta que medio mundo (400 personas) lean que si no se quien esta contandole cosas intimas sobre tu hermana.
18:19<xayon>she left =P
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18:22<jcarlos>[e0f]: I think "f" is formatted and "F" is marked to be formatted ...
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18:23<[e0f]>maybe
18:23<[e0f]>or "f" means that partition clean)
18:24<[e0f]>i don't remember ^(
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18:25<axon>hello i need someone who has some skills in java or even better in imagej. Is there a special java channel?
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18:25<axon>Main probleme is, that i can't compile my plugins...
18:27<axon>hello - what's up guys?
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18:27<axon>i please you
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18:41<engywuck>ah, F*ck
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18:42<engywuck>just accidentally hit "+" in aptitude on "new packages" selection
18:42<engywuck>now it wants to install 60GB new files....
18:42<lostinfog>Ouch
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18:42<engywuck>but when I hit - it wants to remove essential programs
18:42<engywuck>how can I restore the old setting?
18:43<engywuck>except hitting "g" and then manually removing 10k packages I downt want
18:44<engywuck>i.e. how do I remove the second "i" when the first is "p" in the overview
18:44<engywuck>deselect all "pi" packages
18:45<dvs>engywuck: in aptitude?
18:45<engywuck>yes
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18:45<dvs>exit
18:45<engywuck>done so. result: shows again when starting aptitude anew
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18:46<dvs>engywuck: it asks me if I want to forget my selections
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18:46<engywuck>didn't ask me
18:46<lapfrog>he means deselect all 3.14 packages
18:47<engywuck>??
18:47<engywuck>ah :D
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18:47<engywuck>nope, deselect all 3.14159285... packages
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18:51<johfel>engywuck: use Actions->cancels pending actions.
18:51<engywuck>thanks
18:51<engywuck>that did it
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18:52*engywuck rolls a barrel of beer in the chan
18:52<engywuck>thanks
18:52<engywuck>*phew*
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19:17<nsadmin>what depends on policykit and its lib? is there any connection to kernels?
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19:21<Golfgeo>Hi all
19:22<Golfgeo>How does un unpin a package on the commandline?
19:22<Golfgeo>*...one unpin...
19:22<abrotman>!held back
19:22<dpkg>well, kept back is when packages have not been upgraded even though newer versions are available. This happens if dependencies cannot be resolved, packages are on hold or you used "upgrade" not "full-upgrade" and old packages need to be removed as part of the upgrade. To investigate, "aptitude -s install <kept-package>". Also see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/69 Ask me about <full-upgrade>.
19:22<abrotman>!hold
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19:22<abrotman>bleh
19:22<abrotman>!hold
19:22<dpkg>hold is probably a status flag that tells the package manager not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package: 'echo <package> hold|dpkg --set-selections'. It is also possible to use aptitude: 'aptitude hold <package>'. Note that the hold flag set using aptitude might be ignored by other package managers (i.e. Update Manager and Synaptic), but aptitude will respect the hold set in the dpkg database.
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19:23<Golfgeo>Thanks abrotman :-)
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19:24<Golfgeo>Yeppers :D
19:24<Golfgeo>as in, great :D
19:25<Golfgeo>why does one sometimes say stuf only onces girlfriend can understand?
19:25<Golfgeo>oh well
19:26<dvs>because we hardly know you! ;-)
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19:26<Golfgeo>ah haha ;)
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19:29<Golfgeo>now to have the nerve to pull the trigger on the upgrade... pfff.....
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19:29<Golfgeo>haha, done :D
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19:30<Golfgeo>well, only 10 min... and then the install and then the dist-upgrade....
19:30<Golfgeo>pff... the horror, the horror!
19:30<Golfgeo>:D
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19:31<dvs>Golfgeo: upgrade to what?
19:31<Golfgeo>general system update and upgrade dvs
19:31<Golfgeo>didn't do it in like a year
19:32<Golfgeo>last time I held (pinned) udev and then I was to busy to work on my machine
19:32<Golfgeo>well, maintanance
19:32<Golfgeo>had to replace the psu though
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19:33<Golfgeo>and did do some light dusting with my airline
19:33<Golfgeo>compressed air
19:34<Golfgeo>but, I believe I haven't rebooted in like 250 day's haha :D
19:35<Golfgeo>I love my little Via Epia based server :-) Well, little... mini-itx in a bigtower eh :D
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19:38<Golfgeo>Now only to revamp my Pentium I 75 mHz machine again
19:38<Golfgeo>oh well
19:38<dvs>o_O
19:38<Golfgeo>It's running just fine the way it is
19:39<Golfgeo>Siemens Nixdorf, can't break it... well, almost can't break it... haha :D
19:39<Golfgeo>It's the versnissel :D
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19:41<Golfgeo>Could it be I'm the only one left in the world that is running a Pentium 75 24/7 year in, year out?
19:41<Golfgeo>*who
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19:41<dogman>Maybe
19:42<Golfgeo>Had to replace the dammed pci ethernet boards a couple of times over the years though
19:42<nsadmin>they don't have much heat considerations
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19:42<nsadmin>I bet kernel compiles are a bitch tho
19:42<Golfgeo>well, that's oke nsadmin, nice and warm in winter :-)
19:43<Golfgeo>nsadmin: nope, dammed fast on my other machine :D much faster than for the machine I compile on itself
19:43<nsadmin>no, I'm saying they don't generate too much heat
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19:43<Golfgeo>ah ic :D
19:43<vipul>any indina here
19:43<dvs>indina?
19:44<dvs>IN?
19:44-!-katsrc [~quassel@cpe-24-193-63-157.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #debian
19:44<Golfgeo>But a brand like Siemens is wonderfull for this type of operational hours
19:44<Golfgeo>Install once and never look back again untill it is time to replace a fan...
19:45<Golfgeo>Indiana?
19:45<babilen>vipul: try #debian-in (no idea how busy that channel is though)
19:45<babilen>Golfgeo: Probably no state in the US of A -- I suspect a type "indina" → "Indian"
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19:46<babilen>s/type/typo :)
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19:46<Golfgeo>ah lol :D
19:46<Golfgeo>oh well
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19:48<spadone>Lovin this debian unstable on this i7 laptop, coming from lenny on a P3 566, and after a few months of win 7
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19:51<Golfgeo>motto of the of forever: I love Debian and Debian loves me :D
19:51<Golfgeo>*motto of forever...
19:52<Golfgeo>Question of the week: Is it oke to love Debian?
19:52<babilen>Deb or Ian?
19:52<Golfgeo>haha
19:52<Golfgeo>Chimera perhaps?
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19:53<Golfgeo>Male for females and female for males?
19:54<babilen>not necessarily -- but this is quite ot (→ #d-ot) :)
19:54<Golfgeo>ot?
19:54*abrotman thinks you might want to spell it out
19:54<Golfgeo>odd...?
19:54<Golfgeo>oh well
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19:54<babilen>#debian-offtopic (not that there is much going on there)
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19:55<Golfgeo>Am in a happy place, so never mind while I'm singing my little song :D
19:55<Golfgeo>Never saw the sun shining so bright....
19:56<Golfgeo>;)
19:56<babilen>… as long as the tenth voice whistles tetris. but have fun - cya
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19:56<Golfgeo>Have fun babilen
19:56<Golfgeo>:-)
19:57<Golfgeo>k, now for the dist upgrade
19:57<Golfgeo>oh yea, and the unpinning
19:57<Golfgeo>pfff
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19:58<Golfgeo>well, first the dist-upgrade and a little reboot
19:59<Golfgeo>thanks guy's, for the help and puttng up with me ;)
19:59<Golfgeo>Have fun and a great day! :-)
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20:16<rocfly>房主请问一下中文聊天室的多少了?
20:16<stupid>hello
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20:16<rocfly>中文聊天室是多少了?谢谢了!
20:16<rocfly>hello
20:17<stupid>is there anyone whom wants to help this stupid guy out with backtrack
20:17<stupid>I am a newbie
20:17<xayon>stupid: well... maybe in #backtrack-linux
20:17<xayon>not in #debian
20:17<xayon>...
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20:18<stupid>All I am looking for is a password list file that is considered to be the best
20:18<stupid>or how to create one of my own
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20:18<xayon>stupid: I'll repeat. Dont ask that on #debian. Get off.
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20:20<rocfly_>china chat
20:20<rocfly_>where ?
20:20<qq->!cn
20:20<dpkg>well, cn is China, or for help in chinese please join irc.oftc.net #debian-zh, Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see http://tinyurl.com/8yrj9 | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读
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20:21<rocfly_>怎么进呀
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20:23<babilen>rocfly_: 请打: /join #debian-zh
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20:23<babilen>ah, gone already
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21:17<cyberjenky>hello
21:18<kop>Hello
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21:19<cyberjenky>are you french
21:19<abrotman>are you?
21:19<cyberjenky>i'm not very good inenglish
21:19<abrotman>!fr
21:19<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net.
21:20<cyberjenky>ok
21:20<cyberjenky>sory
21:20<kop>cyberjenky: No worries.
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21:21<cyberjenky>i search to join a gnu development project can you help me to find one
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21:28<cyberjenky>nobody answered me ?
21:29<chealer>cyberjenky: #gnu would probably be a better place to ask
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21:37<hunyan>I run squeeze amd64 and want to install skype how should I do it ?
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21:37<abrotman>ask skype, they don't have a 64bit version last i checked
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21:39<hunyan>I know about that - there is a 32 bit version - but I do not know what to do except installing ia32 libraries - how to install a i386.deb
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21:43<hunyan>I have also a canon mx860 printer with 386 version -still do not know how to install it
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21:44<sney>hunyan: generally you can install the .deb with dpkg -i, and then when it complains about being broken, do aptitude update && aptitude safe-upgrade
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21:44<sney>it'll solve the dependency issue if it can
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21:45<hunyan>thanks sney - I will try it now
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21:49<dvs>can i have one?
21:49<sney>lol
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22:05<cozminsky>hi all
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22:05<sney>hi
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22:06<cozminsky>I'm thinking of redoing my DNS, currently running tinydns server and dnscache resolver. Thinking of moving to unbound for resolver
22:06<cozminsky>not sure about the server yet, I'm thinking nsd, any opinions?
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22:06<Nemoder>I use dnsmaq
22:06<Nemoder>dnsmasq*
22:07<cozminsky>problem with dnsmasq is that I don't think it supports DNSSEC
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22:38<strigoi66>any one avail. to help with ubuntu probs?
22:38<sney>!ubuntu
22:38<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
22:38<abrotman>strigoi66: #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net
22:39<strigoi66>thnx
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23:34<snakedoc>sup
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23:36<snakedoc>sup
23:37<snakedoc>?
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23:37<Golfgeo>Hi all
23:37<snakedoc>whats up
23:37<Golfgeo>got a juicy problem haha
23:37<snakedoc>whats that
23:38<Golfgeo>uhmmm... well, I did a distupgrade and my Canon printer is misbehaving
23:38<Golfgeo>connected via USB to a 1.1 speed port
23:38<Golfgeo>the printer is a modern one USB 2
23:39<snakedoc>did you tray restarting everything
23:39<Golfgeo>and without a simple usb-powered hub I;m getting errors... But with the hub it will work
23:39<Golfgeo>Yes I did snakedoc
23:39<Golfgeo>even reset the firmware on the printer
23:40<Golfgeo>I'm looking at the alias usbcore usbcore
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23:40<Golfgeo>options usbcore old_scheme_first=y
23:40<machete>hi
23:40<snakedoc>hi
23:40<machete>can you speak spacnish
23:40<machete>español
23:40<snakedoc>si
23:40<Golfgeo>dammit, well, the old_scheme_first option to perhaps be able to get it to work without the dammed hub inbetween
23:40<machete>que vergon
23:41<machete>decime por fa
23:41<machete>como meto gamil aqui
23:41<machete>gmail aqui
23:41<Golfgeo>But my question is: what file are kernel module parameters stored in
23:41<snakedoc>i dont know what to tell you golfgeo
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23:41<Golfgeo>I have found the backlist...
23:42<Golfgeo>modconf can be used to enter them, but I'm truely looking for the specific file
23:43<Golfgeo>btw I think it is some wierd interaction between echi and uchi, but what the hell
23:44<machete>well
23:44<machete>i come back later
23:44<snakedoc>ok
23:44<machete>thanks anyway
23:44<machete>gracias
23:44<machete>ya regreso
23:44<machete>quit
23:44<snakedoc>bye
23:44<machete>quit
23:44<snakedoc>buddy
23:44<machete>exit
23:45<Golfgeo>if need be I can always blacklist the echi module, but am looking for a fix, not putting my head in the sand you know
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23:52<glitchd>can someone help me to get the ati/amd preprietary graphics driver to work in ubuntu 10.04? wo
23:52<glitchd>i know i had it working before, but now it wont install
23:52<Tiff>!ubuntu
23:52<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
23:53<glitchd>..?
23:53<glitchd>help?
23:53<Tiff>why are you asking for support for Ubuntu in a Debian channel? go to the Ubuntu IRC network.
23:53<Tiff>they will help
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23:53<glitchd>Tiff, oops didnt realize i connected to the debian channel
23:53<Tiff>...maybe
23:54<Tiff>lots of docs online for this kind of thing
23:54<glitchd>Tiff, srysry
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23:54<cozminsky>anyone had any luck installing ntop?
23:55<cozminsky>I'm not running into the netstat not installed bug pending upload
23:55<cozminsky>but preconfig exits 127 and then postinst exits 30
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23:56<prem>is there any tool to get a log of all opened /active sites in iceweasel..
23:57<prem>"lsof -i " didnt return the website address .,it only throws the proxy through which the connection is establised
23:57<prem>any other tool or option is there..?
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23:57<cozminsky>prem, not if you're going through a proxy
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23:58<cozminsky>prem, unless you sniffed the traffic or got iceweasel to tell you somehow
23:58<prem>cozminsky, say if it is a direct link.,in that case is it possible to return the exact url of the links..?
23:59<cozminsky>prem, only the ip address, I'd probably go with a extension like livehttp headers
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