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01:27<fix>weee
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02:16<fixjack>HAAAALP
02:17<fixjack>man I had to ssh through to my ubuntu server just to run irssi to get in here
02:17<fixjack>man I have a serious problem with networking on my workstation
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02:17<fixjack>I can ping my gateways but no farther, says "Operation Not Permitted"
02:17<fixjack>and I have no internet
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02:17<fixjack>I didnt change anything
02:18<fixjack>fixer@debian:~$ ping www.google.com
02:18<fixjack>PING www.l.google.com (66.102.7.99) 56(84) bytes of data.
02:18<fixjack>ping: sendmsg: Operation not permitted
02:18<fixjack>ping: sendmsg: Operation not permitted
02:18<fixjack>ping: sendmsg: Operation not permitted
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02:18<fixjack>plz
02:18<fixjack>anyone know wtf is going on
02:18<fixjack>I have not installed any firewalls
02:18<fixjack>I have changed my ip from static to dhcp and back again, nothing I do is fixing this
02:19<fixjack>HELLoooooo
02:19<s_i_m>hi
02:19<fixjack>ogm
02:19<fixjack>lol
02:19<s_i_m>what does ls -l /bin/ping say?
02:20<fixjack>fixer@debian:~$ ls -l /bin/ping
02:20<fixjack>-rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 30788 2010-07-26 19:34 /bin/ping
02:20<s_i_m>so it is suid root as it should
02:21<fixjack>yeah man I cannot access the internet on that box
02:21<s_i_m>how do you connect to the internet?
02:21<fixjack>I had to ssh into my server and use Irssi
02:21<fixjack>well I usually leave it on static
02:21<fixjack>but I set to dhcp, of course I have static entries in my dhcp server, so I get the same settings
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02:21<fixjack>doesnt fix the problem
02:21<fixjack>this isa problem in the OS
02:22<s_i_m>i mean, do you have a router, etc?
02:22<fixjack>look what it says when I try to ping google
02:22<s_i_m>describe your connection
02:22<fixjack>ping: sendmsg: Operation not permitted
02:22<fixjack>Operation not permitted by whom or what
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02:22<fixjack>dude its a cable modem,
02:22<fixjack>nothing complex
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02:23<fixjack>All was well in the world, then one day, all of a sudden,, Debian says "OPERATION NOT PERMITTED" NO INTERNET FOR U!!!
02:23<fixjack>k, this is gay
02:24<fixjack>did the world police hax0r my leet linux machine and turn off my interwebz?
02:24<s_i_m>stop crying, better tell us what you did before you broke it
02:24<fixjack>ok
02:24<fixjack>I was going to install the nvidia drivers
02:24<fixjack>stopped x
02:24<fixjack>went to cmd
02:24<fixjack>nvidia told me to fk off because it was compiled with some other compiler than the kernel, so that was a failure
02:25<fixjack>ok, so I typed startx and when i came back into windows I was interactive as root
02:25<fixjack>and a warning popped up about that
02:25<fixjack>so I rebooted
02:25<fixjack>when I came up, it was like this
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02:25<fixjack>I have connectivity to machines on the Lan
02:25<fixjack>just no internet
02:26<fixjack>it is as if the box doesnt like my gateway or is telling me no
02:26<s_i_m>well, "operation not permitted" is a local error, it is not from the gw
02:27<fixjack>my network is functioning fine
02:27<fixjack>its def the box
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02:29<s_i_m>fixjack, btw, do you have any network manager (or how it is called) installed?
02:29<fixjack>yes
02:29<s_i_m>oh, that is a crappy thing
02:29<fixjack>yeah I havent used it yet
02:29<fixjack>I just edit /etc/network/interfaces
02:30<s_i_m>then you should know your way =)
02:30<fixjack>yeah my config is ifine
02:30<fixjack>this makes no sense
02:31<fixjack>oh jesus christ
02:31<fixjack>"Cannot remove 'gnome-network-admin'
02:31<fixjack>One or more applications depend on gnome-network-admin. To remove gnome-network-admin and the dependent applications, use the Synaptic package manager."
02:31<cahoot>maybe you happened to put an <enter> where it shouldn't be?
02:32<fixjack>lol
02:32<fixjack>im removing this network manager crap
02:32<fixjack>hopefully that fixes the problem
02:33<fixjack>yeah not to be a cry baby but I have a remote session open
02:33<fixjack>doesnt anyone know what the shit would cause this? fixer@debian:~$ ping www.google.com
02:33<fixjack>PING www.l.google.com (66.102.7.104) 56(84) bytes of data.
02:33<fixjack>ping: sendmsg: Operation not permitted
02:34<fixjack>cannot ping beyond my gateway, no internet
02:34<devil>fixjack: repasting it 3 times does nothing at all
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02:34<s_i_m>fixjack, can you do a tracepath?
02:35<fixjack>fixer@debian:~$ ping www.google.com
02:35<fixjack>PING www.l.google.com (66.102.7.104) 56(84) bytes of data.
02:35<fixjack>ping: sendmsg: Operation not permitted
02:35<fixjack>sorry
02:35<fixjack>wrong clipboard
02:35<fixjack>bash: tracepath: command not found
02:36<fixjack>debian:/home/fixer# tracert www.google.com
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02:36<fixjack>traceroute to www.google.com (66.102.7.99), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets
02:36<fixjack>send: Operation not permitted
02:36<peej>I want to set up a wifi access point for home use on lenny box with a TP-Link TL-WN510G 802.11bg nic. Should I use hostapd ? Is this (http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=49136) what I should be following?
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02:36<fixjack>its like the Kernel dropped a hammer on my ballsack, looked me in the eye, and said, "No more sauce for you son"
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02:39<fixjack>welp, looks like im going back to xp
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02:41<fixjack>looks like linux still has another 10 years to go before its reliable
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02:41<s_i_m>fixjack, that is nonsense
02:41<fixjack>well this is nonsense
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02:41<fixjack>why is my box telling me "Operation Not Permitted" when I simply try to ping beyond my gateway
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02:42<fixjack>its like being trapped inside a prison cell actually
02:42<s_i_m>technically this means that you cannot use raw sockets, even with setuid programs
02:42<fixjack>one with no windows
02:42<s_i_m>this is rather strange
02:42<fixjack>yes indeed
02:43<fixjack>the only thing I can think of
02:43<fixjack>that MAYBE caused it
02:43<fixjack>I interrupted a boot up, because it did not go into cmd, and I just turned it off
02:43<s_i_m>still try installing iputils-tracepath
02:43<fixjack>maybe that scrambled somethin
02:43<peej>fixjack, ls -al /bin/ping shows?
02:43<fixjack>I cannot install anything with no internet
02:43<s_i_m>it does not need privileges
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02:43<fixjack>that says Operation not permitted
02:44<fixjack>fixer@debian:~$ ls -l /bin/ping
02:44<fixjack>-rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 30788 2010-07-26 19:34 /bin/ping
02:44<s_i_m>peej, I asked that already
02:45<fixjack>is there like some bs firewall in this os?
02:46<s_i_m>nothing besides iptables
02:46<s_i_m>(by default)
02:46<fixjack>iptables -F
02:46<fixjack>lemme try that
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02:50<nadir>use google for "ping and operation not permitted" there are lots of results
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02:50<nadir>example: http://blog.technogeek.biz/2009/05/ping-sendmsg-operation-not-permitted-in.html
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02:54<fix>ok guys
02:54<fix>I did iptables -F
02:54<fix>lost ALL connectivity
02:54<fix>I had to reboot
02:54<fix>and when I rebooted, everything was back to normal
02:55<s_i_m>probably reloading some iptables modules could be enough. but in any case this looks like a bug to me
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02:56<fix>interesting
02:56<fix>this rdp client is also hosed
02:56<fix>"Terminal Server Client"
02:56<fix>opens up, but when I go to connect nothing happens, the app dissapears
02:56<fix>I have to sigkill it
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02:59<Roofus901>hi everyone
02:59<Roofus901>i recently mounted an iso using the command "mount -o loop "name.iso" /mnt/disk
03:00<Roofus901>once i ran "umount /mnt/disk" it unmounted the iso, however, in filebrowser on the right it still lists my iso as an available disk, yet when i select it it says it can't be mounted
03:00<Roofus901>so my question is, how can i remove it from that list?
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03:01<devil>and the filebrowser is?
03:01<Roofus901>it's in applications>system tools>File Browser | it came with debian squeeze amd64
03:02<devil>hm, probaybly something gnomish, which leaves me out :)
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03:02<Roofus901>it's Nautilus file browser
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03:02<Roofus901>and ya, i'm running a gnome environment
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03:03<devil>Roofus901: cant you rightclick-remove it? that would work in dolphin
03:04<cozminsky>what init script is supposed to mount devpts?
03:04<classical>how can i get my mobo model on debian serge 3.1 there is no lshw and dmidecode
03:04<Roofus901>no i can't
03:04<Roofus901>but i just mounted another disk and appearently that fixed the issue
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03:05<Roofus901>something was probably left behind in the browser cache that got overwritten when i mounted the new iso
03:06<s_i_m>cozminsky, why do you need it?
03:07<s_i_m>or better to, why do you want to change anything there?
03:07<cozminsky>screen is saying that I don't have any ptys
03:07<cozminsky>and devpts isn't being mounted
03:08<s_i_m>ls -lR /dev/pts?
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03:09<cozminsky>hrm, no such file or directory
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03:10<michaelq1978>can some body demonstrate what is debian?
03:10<s_i_m>cozminsky, the script is /etc/init.d/mountdevsubfs.sh
03:10<Roofus901>O_o
03:11<Roofus901>michaelq1978, debian is...... the best thing that's ever happened to PC's
03:12<Roofus901>in all seriousness, debian is a linux OS that is meant for a "computer savey" person whome can handle the responsibility of controlling every aspect of there pc and it's performance
03:12<MeglaW>agreed
03:13<Roofus901>basically it's meant for admin's, people who want control over every aspect of there machine. though to use debian properly you also need to have the knowledge to do so
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03:13<michaelq1978>is it a light weight kind of program, is in it?
03:13<Roofus901>very light weight
03:14<s_i_m>michaelq1978, it is an OS.
03:14<Roofus901>my experience so far has been, very fast, very reliable, functional and fun
03:14<cozminsky>does it require udev for that script to run?
03:14<Roofus901>aslong as you're willing to partake in the knowledge aspect of learning a true linux system, then this is the place for you
03:14<s_i_m>cozminsky, most likely.
03:15<s_i_m>let me check
03:15<michaelq1978>any recomendation on any free tutoial website about debian.
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03:15<Roofus901>http://www.aboutdebian.com/
03:15<michaelq1978>that is for beginners for scripting and stuff?
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03:16<Roofus901>http://www.debian.org/intro/about
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03:17<s_i_m>cozminsky, no, it should work without udev.
03:17<Roofus901>http://www.freeos.com/guides/lsst/
03:17<Roofus901>michaelq1978, those 3 should help get you started
03:17<michaelq1978>I just wonder cause I can see some of the packages that is link to that .exe for windows.
03:18<s_i_m>.exe for windows?
03:18<s_i_m>that is probably the installer?
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03:19<s_i_m>michaelq1978, please understand that Debian is not just a program for Windows
03:19<s_i_m>it replaces Windows
03:19<Roofus901>it is it's own standalone operating system
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03:20<michaelq1978>I open some of the script, then Ive seen somehow that is link to .exe
03:22<Roofus901>exe = binary for windows m8
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03:22<Roofus901>unless you got confused about something to do with wine
03:22<cahoot>michaelq1978: maybe you should take your time and do some reading on debian.org
03:23<michaelq1978>your right mate, Ive tried that wine alrteady.
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03:24<michaelq1978>by the way thanks for spending your precious time with me. cheers
03:24<Roofus901>anytime
03:24<Roofus901>read up some on debian.org like cahoot said
03:24<Roofus901>it's worth the read anyway
03:24<Roofus901>i'm off to bed, thanks for stopping in
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04:05<cmot>Playing with LDAP & Gosa: there's an install wizard question "Use rfc2307bis compliant groups" in the LDAP configuration
04:05<cmot>what does this do?
04:05<chalet16>Does it possible to install phpmyadmin without apache2.2?
04:06<chalet16>(install from debian repo)
04:06<chalet16>I try using --no-install-recommands but no effet.
04:06<chalet16>*effect.
04:07<cmot>chalet16: phpmyadmin depends on "libapache2-mod-php5 | php5-cgi | php5"
04:08<cmot>so you need to satisfy this. if you don't want apache, likely you need php5-cgi
04:08<chalet16>ok
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04:19<chalet16>cmot,thanks
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04:21<cmot>grrrr
04:22<cmot>adding schema stuff to openldap 2.4 from schema files is annoying. is there no better way than http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-server-73/how-to-add-a-new-schema-to-openldap-2-4-11-a-700452/
04:22<cmot>(at least it works)
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04:28<fa_effekt>trying to do chmod 777 a folder with su but receiving an error Operation not permitted. what's happening?
04:29<cahoot>fa_effekt: what are you trying to achieve? 777 is only a step from 666
04:29<fa_effekt>*on a folder
04:29<ompaul>fa_effekt: type id and what user are you
04:29<fa_effekt>uid=1000(x11) gid=1000(x11) groups=4(adm),20(dialout),24(cdrom),46(plugdev),108(lpadmin),123(admin),124(sambashare),1000(x11)
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04:30<ompaul>so you don't have permission to alter directories you don't own - so what was the exact command you typed
04:30<fa_effekt>sudo chmod 777 /name/of/folder
04:31<ompaul>fa_effekt: sudo is not su
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04:31<ompaul>fa_effekt: and next stupid question what is the file you are trying to change permissions on?
04:32<ompaul>fa_effekt: everything is a file when it comes to gnu/linux
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04:33<fa_effekt>could you rephrase the question? not sure what "what is the file" means.
04:33<cahoot>'what dir'
04:33<fa_effekt>it's just a folder with a group of .avi's
04:34<fa_effekt>/home/fa_effekt/Videos/nameofavifolder
04:34<ompaul>fa_effekt: so is the problem your user does not own the the directory
04:35<ompaul>fa_effekt: su - will get you root, but the question is why do you want 777 in there
04:36<fa_effekt>the files need to be removed
04:36<fa_effekt>not only that trying to learn how chmod works
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04:36<cahoot>fa_effekt: ls -la /home/fa_effekt/Videos/nameofavifolder
04:36<ompaul>fa_effekt: and don't paste the answer here
04:37<erickom>Hi all!
04:37<ompaul>use http://paste.debian.net
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04:38<erickom>Please someone know how to Setting Access Control for Printers and browser over the network?
04:39<cahoot>in cupsd.conf on the 'server'
04:39<fa_effekt>http://pastebin.com/6qJSidPQ
04:39<ompaul>fa_effekt: so you don't 777 to remove those files
04:40<fa_effekt>not so much removing the file it's how to change user rights to change user permissions
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04:40<fa_effekt>*and not 'to'
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04:41<erickom>the printer is a canon network printer
04:42<fa_effekt>so just want to change permissions on the folder so that it can be accessed by any user
04:42<ompaul>fa_effekt: su -
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04:42<ompaul>fa_effekt: chown 777 /home/fa_effekt/Videos/nameofavifolder/*
04:43<cahoot>chown 777?
04:43<ompaul>woops :)
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04:43<ompaul>chmod
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04:43<ompaul>cahoot: I blame the lack of coffee
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04:43<ompaul>fa_effekt: does that make sense
04:44<cahoot>strange owner of the avis
04:44<ompaul>fa_effekt: the problem is someone getting to that folder directly
04:44<cahoot>x11?
04:44<ompaul>cahoot: I concur
04:44<ompaul>cahoot: did you notice the result of id ?
04:45<fa_effekt>same result
04:45<ompaul>fa_effekt: is your username x11 on that machine or
04:47<fa_effekt>on one of the machines
04:48<ompaul>fa_effekt: please type id again and report the username again
04:48<ompaul>fa_effekt: id is a command
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04:50<fa_effekt>http://pastebin.com/9DJ9w1Kq
04:50<ompaul>fa_effekt: I asked you to type su - a while ago - so for the folder that the files are in please type this "pwd" and give us that line of text exactly as it is on the box
04:51<fa_effekt>did exactly what you instructed
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04:52<ompaul>fa_effekt: hmm, what is the result of pwd for the avi files directory
04:52<fa_effekt>typed in su -
04:52<ompaul>su - it asked you for a password?
04:53<fa_effekt>before this goes on, this is ubuntu; is there a difference between admin rights in ubuntu and debian?
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04:54<ompaul>ubuntu help is on #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net and yes there is a big difference sudo vs su ok I could set up sudo on my debian box but I don't want to
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04:55<fa_effekt>what's the best chmod or chown to hide the contents of a folder from users outside of admin?
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04:56<ompaul>fa_effekt: have fun on freenode.net :)
04:56<cahoot>!permissions
04:56<dpkg>For information on permissions, read info coreutils 'File Permissions', http://mywiki.wooledge.org/Permissions and http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/usersguide/linux_ugfilesp.html . For further information, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_permission and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chmod and follow the setuid and setgid links within. See also <ssh permissions>, <qotd232>. http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions
04:57<ompaul>fa_effekt: you were asked to do things, you did not report back the errors when they occured (the su - for instance) so me telling you sudo -i which will give you root permissions and let you behave as root on the command line is kind of pointless because you were not telling us the full story, this leaves me in the sad position of not trusting your answers
04:58*ompaul goes for coffee and stuff
05:01<fa_effekt>ompaul: what should be entered first?
05:01<fa_effekt>su -
05:01<fa_effekt>or
05:01<fa_effekt>do you want su -i
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05:01<fa_effekt>or ls -la
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05:04<gil-galad>plop
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05:07<fa_effekt>ompaul: http://pastebin.com/ZuxWfYSC
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05:08<nilsson>Hi, is there a audiocodec in linux which plays aax-files?
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05:09<slush>fa_effekt: ompaul left, go to #ubuntu on freenode
05:10<slush>nilsson: dont you mean aac?
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05:10<nilsson>slush: do not mean aac but aax. It is a audible file extension
05:11<slush>ok
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05:16<slush>nilsson: well, it looks like they are drm protected, so I doubt you can play them easily.
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05:18<nilsson>slush: yes indeed it is drm protected, therefore I would like to convert it into mp3
05:19<ompaul>slush: hehe I don't think so :)
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05:22<cahoot>nilsson: wouldn't that be against the law?
05:22<ompaul>cahoot: in most countries that would be correct and therefore help in that area would be limited :)
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05:23<nilsson>cahoot: don't know, but ohterwise I cannot get the file upload to my mp3 player
05:24<nilsson>my mp3 player is not supported by their software to play the file :-(
05:25<ompaul>nilsson: sadly, for this reason is it better to get music in formats you can work with, flac, ogg and so on, it is for reasons such as yours that the fsf ran the playogg campaign
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05:30<cahoot>nilsson: see if gstreamer-plugins-ugly (or whatever name it has) helps
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05:59<davi>Do I need some hardware to send a fax from linux?
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06:00<davi>Would be a scanner plus a old phone modem be enough?
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06:10<cahoot>look at efax?
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06:14<wiker>hello ?
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06:24<joel>hi, i have a debian machine that has xfs as the root filesystem, by some reason i have a file in /etc/rc5.d called "S20openvpn" that when i do a ls -l it doesn't give me any attrs but only question marks "?????", any ideas?
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06:34<xexplox>hey there
06:34<xexplox>I'm trying to reinstall my macbook 2.1 on squeeze
06:35<xexplox>but I have problems when trying to encrypt.
06:36<xexplox>After doing the /boot partition I create the volume for encryption
06:37<xexplox>But here is the problem, I can partition in this volume
06:37<xexplox>So Can't have a swap nor a / or /home
06:37<xexplox>It justs doesn't offer me to do it... So I can't continue the install without /root
06:38<xexplox>it seems that there s a bug cause once every 5 or 6 try it does propose the partitioning of the encrypted volume
06:38<xexplox>any ideas???
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06:39<xexplox>Also if anybody can help with a single boot install that would be even better, but I can't make it boot when using the whole disk
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07:20<miki_>hello
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07:21<f8l>miki_: Hello.
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07:21<miki_>I'm tyring to build linux-kbuild-2.6.37 for experimental following this http://wiki.debian.org/HowToRebuildAnOfficialDebianKernelPackage
07:21<miki_>and it fails:
07:21<miki_>miki@menek(13:14:46)/tmp/kbuild/linux-kbuild-2.6$./debian/bin/genorig.py ../linux-${VERSION}.tar.bz2
07:21<miki_>Using source name linux-kbuild-2.6, version 2.6.36
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07:22<miki_>where can I get 2.6.37?
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07:23<e9ck3r>hello
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07:24<e9ck3r>I have to transfer a photo from the phone to my pc
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07:25<e9ck3r>how can I set the bluetooth?
07:25<f8l>e9ck3r: I recommend using blueman.
07:26<e9ck3r>of course I have a bluetooth card in my pc
07:26<e9ck3r>f8l: ok
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07:27<e9ck3r>f8l: i will try it now
07:27<e9ck3r>f8l : i can find it in debian repositories right?
07:28<f8l>e9ck3r: Hmm. It's in testing. I don't know if it's in stable too.
07:28<e9ck3r>f8l: ah ok
07:29<f8l>e9ck3r: No, it's not. It's in Squeeze. Sorry. There should be another way, but I can't think of any right now.
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07:31<e9ck3r>f8l: okok i'm using lenny
07:36<babilen>http://wiki.debian.org/BluetoothUser
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07:38<e9ck3r>thanks guys i have to go
07:38<e9ck3r>bye bye
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08:36<ragnar>hi all. i was looking for apt repositories and i've found several sources.list mixed with lenny, squeeze, unstable and testing. first question: is that possible and 2nd: is that a way to get quanta to squeeze?
08:38<devil>ragnar: mix3ed sources.lists need extra care (pinning) and dont come default.
08:38<devil>ragnar: quanta is kde3. so no, thats not the way.
08:38<devil>ragnar: there will be quanta for kde4 hopefuly in 2011.
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08:39<babilen>ragnar: Mixing releases is not recommended.
08:39<ragnar>hm, ok
08:41<ragnar>that means a lot of work then build kd3 from source :( im not a big kde/qt fan but quanta is great and i havent seen any similar
08:42<devil>ragnar: a second install, maybe virtual, with kde3 would be lotzs faster
08:42<devil>lots
08:42<devil>quanta will be moved to kdevelop 9once its ready for primetime
08:43<devil>and yes, i am waiting for it.
08:43<ragnar>i'm waiting
08:44<devil>there was a 'maybe prerelease' in 2010, but i guess it didnt make it
08:44<devil>but developement is sailing along
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08:44<ragnar>ok, best hopes for next year. 2 days ;o)
08:45<devil>not being a fullblown html guy, i find quanta really useful
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08:46<ragnar>me too
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08:48<ragnar>i've tested dozens of editors like bluefish, nvu ( kompozer ), (g/j)edit and even joe or xemacs but nothing can top quanta so far
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09:03<bluenemo>lol try this guys: telnet towel.blinkenlights.nl 23 its star wars in ascii xD
09:03<koollman>that's, like ... old :)
09:04<bluenemo>oh ok :) just found it..
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09:04<koollman>I watched it something like 5 years ago, iirc :)
09:04<koollman>iirc, if you can connect with ipv6, you get colors, too
09:04<bluenemo>ah cool ok :)
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09:21<davroman1ak>hi
09:23<davroman1ak>I made a custom debian installer image (with a 2.6.36 kernel), and when I try to boot using the mini.iso file and preseeds, I get the following error "WARNING ++: no packages matching running kernel 2.6.36.2 in archive"
09:24<davroman1ak>I would like to know if there's a way to set the url to get the debian package for the kernel
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09:26<qq->,kernels
09:26<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.37-rc7-686 (2.6.37~rc7-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-29); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-29); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-29~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny1); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2)
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09:27<davroman1ak>I made deb packages for this kernel, and I uploaded them to a local repository
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09:41<ml|>fuse: failed to exec fusermount: Permission denied ; I'm in the fuse group, any ideas?
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09:42<f8l>ml|: Permissions of mountpoint?
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09:43<ml|>mine
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09:44<ml|>I will try with a new one to test
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09:46<ml|>samething ;(
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09:58<ballison>how come when you install logwatch it installs a completely empty conf directory by default?
10:00<ballison>it doesn't even come with a logwatch.conf
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10:05<ballison>this answers my question -> https://bugs.launchpad.net/debian/+source/logwatch/+bug/234926
10:06<ml|>you can add a config if needed
10:07<ml|>. /etc/logwatch/conf/override.conf for example
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10:09<ml|>. /usr/share/doc/logwatch/HOWTO-Customize-LogWatch.gz explians the details
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10:16<ballison>ml: I think it wants /etc/logwatch/conf/logwatch.conf not "override.conf"
10:17<ml|>that was just an example
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10:19<ac15>can debian 5.0.7 mount ext4 FS out of box?
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10:20<ml|>I only needed to change: logwatch: Detail = High why I used override.conf
10:20<ml|>ac15: no
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10:21<ac15>what would I need to do in order to get ext4 support?
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10:22<ml|>you can try with kmuto installer /msg dpkg kmuto or after install, install a backported kernel /msg dpkg bpo
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10:24<ac15>do backported kernels receive regular updates?
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10:24<some>hi
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10:25<ballison>ml: Why does /etc/logwatch/conf/logwatch.conf have a "MailTo=" variable to set the default user to mail to when the daily cron that gets installed has it hardcoded to mail to root (/usr/sbin/logwatch --mailto root"
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10:26<ml|>incase you want mail to go to someone else
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10:27<ballison>ml: But that variable never gets called since it's hardcoded in the cron that gets installed to mail it to root instead
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10:31<ac15>well the faq says there is no security support for backport packages. guess I can't use debian
10:32<ac15>thanks for the help
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10:42<ballison>ml:If I just run logwatch from the commandline it just returns the report to my screen and doesn't send any mail at all.. so not sure why there's a MailTo variable in the conf file
10:43<ballison>nevermind: found where to set mail as the defailt instead of standard out. but still doesn't make sense why the cron that it installs has root hardcoded as the mail recp
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10:44<ml|>I duuno why
10:44<ml|>here root's mail goes to my user
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10:45<babilen>configured in /etc/aliases
10:46<ml|>tep
10:46<ml|>yep* ;)
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11:08<ballison>well logwatch is cool (very cool) but it's not really what i'm looking for. I want to be able to give the program a directory and have it monitor all the logs in that directory automatically looking for the word "error" in any of the logs as they get written.
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11:09<cozminsky>ballison, how about /usr/bin/multilog
11:10<cozminsky>reads a sequence of lines from stdin and appends selected lines to any number of logs.
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11:15<LeNNy^^>hola
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11:27<ballison>cozminsky: My problem is we have a diverse range of applications that all write there output files to a standard location, say "/usr/local/apps/logs/" and from machine to machine what's in those directories could be vastly different based on the applications running.
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11:27<ballison>what I need is a program that reads those logs in those directories (keeps a tail -f open) and sends a message when it sees an "error" message come through on any of them.
11:28<ballison>logwatch handle specific files in a single directory. so that's not gonna work.
11:28<ballison>swatch is close but it wants the log files defined as well.
11:28<lapfrog>monitor folder for changes?
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11:30<cozminsky>ballison, fileschanged will give you that
11:30<ballison>lapfrog: monitor a directory of logs. monitoring each log looking for errors as they come in.
11:31<lapfrog>there might be some in-kernel method of monitoring changes to files
11:31<lapfrog>so this would be very efficient
11:31<ballison>i'm not looking for change in logs, i know they are getting written to.
11:31<lapfrog>i know there's a way on mac, should be one on linux too
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11:31<lapfrog>oh
11:31<ballison>i'm looking for something that will read the logs and create an alarm when a regex is matched in the logs.
11:32<ballison>going to look at logcheck next
11:32<cozminsky>can't you just write your own thing with tail and grep?
11:32<lapfrog>you can even write it in C
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11:35<cozminsky>and assuming the logs are rotated use the flag to tail to make it follow the filename instead of the file descriptor
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11:38<yeneva>olaa
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11:38<yeneva>ola
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11:38<yeneva>kien eres
11:39<babilen>!es-social yeneva
11:39<dpkg>yeneva: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
11:39<lapfrog>ballison, you can also write your own filesystem with fuse
11:39<lapfrog>ballison, so that allows you full control
11:39<yeneva>hello
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11:41<cozminsky>lapfrog, I don't think it would be faster than grep
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11:44<lapfrog>it would just be a thin layer over regular file functions, but it would match every line written with a regexp
11:45<lapfrog>might work, dunno
11:45<lapfrog>it might even be possible to write it in perl if there's a module for fuse
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11:47<EmleyMoor>Is there any easy way to have libjsw on a squeeze system?
11:47<cozminsky>lapfrog, I think the algorithm in grep is more efficient than in perl
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11:49<cozminsky>EmleyMoor, joystick library?
11:50<EmleyMoor>cozminsky: Yes, that's what it is - and it needs to be that one rather than any other
11:51<cozminsky>it was removed sometime after lenny released
11:51<cozminsky>http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=575040
11:51<EmleyMoor>I know it's obsolete but I run something which has no joystick support without it
11:51<cozminsky>but you should be able to install the lenny package
11:52<EmleyMoor>Right - will look into that
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11:52<cozminsky>worst case scenario is you might need to recompile
11:52<cozminsky>actually, not the worst case
11:54<babilen>dependencies might be a problem though as indicated in the bug report
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11:54<cozminsky>yeah, looks like it relies on an ancient version of gtk too
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11:56<EmleyMoor>cozminsky: Hmmm... not successful - will just have to await modernisation
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11:59<EmleyMoor>Unless it, its -devel and all its dependencies are easily foreportable I can't see a way forward other that waiting for someone to reprogram
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12:04<cozminsky>what's the thing that doesn't run?
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12:21<Guest2692>hi
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12:22<Guest2692>does any of you have nvidia driver installed?
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12:38<jhutchins_lt>!NVIDIA
12:38<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers . If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net).
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12:40<Guest2692>jhutchins_lt, turi laiko?
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12:57<Aleric>How can I get and print the human readable type of my harddisks? Some /proc ? Or some util?
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12:59<cahoot>hdparm?
12:59<jhutchins_lt>lshw
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13:05<bittin>computer porn: http://shuffling.se/forum/index.php?topic=497.msg24190#msg24190
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13:30<zoltan>hi
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13:33<Guest2699>After installing a new graphics card with an HDMI sound device that I'm not using and setting the asound default back to my sound card my sound is working as it should everywhere except in Flash. Is there a fix for this? I've been googling it for days with no luck on finding a solution.
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13:33<Torsten_W>Guest2699, make sure, your prefered sounddevice is shown as device 0 in card /proc/asound/cards
13:34<javi>hi all!
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13:34<javi>i'm looking for debian-l10n-spanish internet relay chat!
13:34<Torsten_W>Guest2699, or you have to define the defaut card with an ~/.asoundrc
13:34<Torsten_W>!es
13:34<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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13:35<Guest2699>Torsten_W I have it defined in ~/.asoundrc. That's how I got it working everywhere else.
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13:35<javi>dpkg, thanks!
13:35<dpkg>javi: pas de quoi
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13:36<Torsten_W>Guest2699, flash is only able to use device 0
13:36<javi>dpkg, hablas español?
13:36<dpkg>no, javi, no hablo espanol
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13:36<javi>dpkg, ok
13:36<dpkg>javi: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
13:36<Torsten_W>Guest2699, so the better way instead of ~/.asoundrc is to set the prefered card as device 0
13:37<Guest2699>Torsten_w: Ok...How do I do that?
13:37<Torsten_W>Guest2699, depends
13:37<Torsten_W>Guest2699, i don't know your soundhardware
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13:39<Guest2699>Kk. I'll try google again. I didn't realize you could set one to device 0, so maybe I'll have better luck on that angle. Thanks.
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13:47<Darkk>hello
13:47<Darkk>public:/home/gameservers/mw2server# mono serverstart.exe
13:47<Darkk>Cannot open assembly serverstart.exe.
13:47<Darkk>what to do
13:49<Darkk>some here
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13:50<andrea_greyfox>hi all
13:50<Darkk>hi
13:50<Darkk>public:/home/gameservers/mw2server# mono serverstart.exe
13:50<Darkk>Cannot open assembly serverstart.exe.
13:50<Darkk>can some1 help me
13:50<Lethalman>Darkk, I think it's a .exe, not something that can be interpreted by mono
13:50<Lethalman>should be started with wine maybe
13:50<andrea_greyfox>Darkk you have to install mono develop
13:50<Lethalman>oh
13:51<Darkk>ok sec
13:51<Darkk>monodevelop
13:51<Darkk>?
13:51<Darkk>packages?
13:51<andrea_greyfox>apt-get install monodevelop
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13:51<Darkk>ok thnx mate
13:51<Darkk>i try
13:51<andrea_greyfox>yes Darkk
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13:51<Darkk>sec
13:52<Darkk>and then i can run windows files ?
13:52<andrea_greyfox>not all
13:52<Darkk>ok
13:52<andrea_greyfox>you have now a develop for .NET
13:52<andrea_greyfox>and C#
13:52<Darkk>he's installing now
13:52<Darkk>sec
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13:53<Darkk>still
13:53<Darkk>get it
13:53<Darkk>public:/home/gameservers/mw2server# mono serverstart.exe
13:53<Darkk>Cannot open assembly serverstart.exe.
13:53<Darkk>public:/home/gameservers/mw2server#
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13:53<Darkk>lol
13:53<Darkk>still get it
13:53<andrea_greyfox>no
13:53<andrea_greyfox>wait
13:53<Darkk>ok
13:53<andrea_greyfox>so
13:54<andrea_greyfox>cd /home/gameservers/mw2server
13:54<andrea_greyfox>then
13:54<andrea_greyfox>mono serverstart.exe
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13:54<Darkk>i;m there
13:54<Darkk>public:/home/gameservers/mw2server# mono serverstart.exe
13:54<Darkk>Cannot open assembly serverstart.exe.
13:54<andrea_greyfox>mmm
13:54<andrea_greyfox>serverstart in which language is written?
13:54<Darkk>what you mean
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13:55<Darkk>you can take a look on it if you want :$?
13:55<Darkk>its for modern wardare 2 WINDOWS SERVER
13:55<Darkk>maybe you know what i mean ?
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13:57<Darkk>?
13:57<andrea_greyfox>yes
13:57<andrea_greyfox>Call of duty
13:57<andrea_greyfox>isn't it?
13:57<Darkk>yeah
13:57<Darkk>Call of Duty modern warfare 2
13:58<andrea_greyfox>and you play CoD on debian?
13:58<Darkk>and it are the files from http://alteriw.net/
13:58<Darkk>no
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13:58<Darkk>i play on windows
13:58<Darkk>i wanna run the server on linux
13:58<Darkk>they say it here to do it with wine
13:58<Darkk>http://alteriw.net/viewtopic.php?f=93&t=22667
13:58<Darkk>but then i get a lots of error's
13:59<andrea_greyfox>mmm..
13:59<andrea_greyfox>give me 1 minute
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14:00<andrea_greyfox>Darkk, yes, I think that the only way to install the program is to install wine
14:00<andrea_greyfox>do you know how to install it
14:00<andrea_greyfox>?
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14:00<Darkk>i already did
14:00<Darkk>but not for sure
14:00<Darkk>i'm a noob in it ...
14:01<Darkk>only know how to run gameservers
14:01<Darkk>can you do a check for me :$?
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14:01<andrea_greyfox>try this way
14:01<andrea_greyfox>install wine
14:01<Darkk>public:/home/gameservers/mw2server# wine serverstart.exe
14:01<Darkk>fixme:actctx:parse_depend_manifests Could not find dependent assembly L"Microsoft.VC90.CRT"
14:01<Darkk>already did
14:01<Darkk>err:module:import_dll Library MSVCP90.dll (which is needed by L"Z:\\home\\gameservers\\mw2server\\steam_api.dll") not found
14:02<andrea_greyfox>no no stop
14:02<Torsten_W>install it
14:02<Darkk>ok
14:02<Darkk>how
14:02<andrea_greyfox>apt-get install wine
14:02<Torsten_W>winetricks
14:02<Darkk>wine is already the newest version.
14:02<Torsten_W>andrea_greyfox, wine is installed
14:02<andrea_greyfox>ah ok
14:02<Darkk>how to do winetricks
14:02<Torsten_W>Darkk, use winetricks for the needed dlls
14:02<Darkk>sorry for all this questions
14:02<Torsten_W>Darkk, read the doku
14:02<andrea_greyfox>i start the program with double click on it
14:03<Torsten_W>Darkk, this is #debian, not #winehq
14:03<Darkk>sorry :$
14:03<Darkk>but check
14:03<Darkk>http://alteriw.net/viewtopic.php?f=94&t=25366
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14:04<Torsten_W>Darkk, you should not provide any server, if you don't have any plan, how to manage it
14:04<Darkk>Make sure that your X server is running and that $DISPLAY is set correctly.
14:04<Darkk>Application tried to create a window, but no driver could be loaded.
14:04<Darkk>Make sure that your X server is running and that $DISPLAY is set correctly.
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14:04<Darkk>i try to understand but its not easy can you help me gues.
14:05<andrea_greyfox>Torsten_W, sorry for my bad english, i'm italian and this is the first time that i'm here
14:05<Torsten_W>you need x-forward
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14:05<Torsten_W>Darkk, bette you would give this server away
14:05<Torsten_W>+r
14:05<Guest2699>I think I've got it. Thanks again for pointing me in the right direction.
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14:06<Darkk>hmm then i stop it... i installed but.. get still that messages
14:07<andrea_greyfox>what message?
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14:11<cahoot>andrea_greyfox: why are you so intent on playing that game outside its natural habitat?
14:11<andrea_greyfox>cahoot, I'm not intent to play this game on debian
14:12<andrea_greyfox>cahoot, I try to help Darkk with his problem
14:12<cahoot>sorry I obviously mixed the two of you up
14:12<Torsten_W>he will not play this game in debian
14:12<andrea_greyfox>cahoot, he wants to play "server" on debian
14:12<Torsten_W>he wioll setup a dedicated server
14:12<andrea_greyfox>he will start the server on debian
14:12<Darkk>yeah
14:13<Torsten_W>without any knowledge
14:13<andrea_greyfox>Torsten_W, exactly
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14:13<Darkk>omg
14:13<andrea_greyfox>because I've found now in google
14:13<Darkk>i now how i setup a cod4 etc ;)
14:13<cahoot>is there a definite advantage in using a linux server for it?
14:13<Darkk>its COD4
14:13<Torsten_W>and a server, which is public, is not a playtool
14:13<Darkk>cod4 are linux libarys for
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14:13<andrea_greyfox>there is linux dedicated server files
14:14<Darkk>not for modernwarefare 2!
14:14<Darkk>its not modern warfare
14:14<Darkk>but modernwarefare 2
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14:23<andrea_greyfox>is here any debian developer?
14:25<ompaul>andrea_greyfox: I'm not one, however if you ask here you may get the information you want, or need, some of them have been known to hang out here now and again. Give enough information and remember it is all done transparently.
14:25<andrea_greyfox>ompaul, thanks for the answer...sorry for my bad english: i'm italian
14:25<andrea_greyfox>ompaul, i wanna be a debian developer
14:26<andrea_greyfox>ompaul, and i wanna know how :)
14:26<Torsten_W>andrea_greyfox, /j #debian-mentors
14:26<ompaul>andrea_greyfox: there you go Torsten_W answered you so fast I didn't get to type
14:27<andrea_greyfox>Torsten_W, can i find information here?
14:27<Torsten_W>join to the mentoid channel
14:28<andrea_greyfox>done
14:28<andrea_greyfox>Torsten_W, sorry for the question, but, are you a debian developer?
14:28<Torsten_W>no
14:29<Torsten_W>but, become dd is not snapping fingers and done
14:29<andrea_greyfox>yeah I know
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14:30<andrea_greyfox>i wanna start this strong way
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14:31<andrea_greyfox>Torsten_W, I know that became a DD is hard
14:31<andrea_greyfox>Torsten_W, but I want =)
14:31<Torsten_W>i will not stop you
14:31<andrea_greyfox>thanks =)
14:31<andrea_greyfox>i want only know the way to start
14:31<andrea_greyfox>only this
14:33<andrea_greyfox>Torsten_W, anyway...thanks
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14:35<Old_Year>Hi
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14:36<ompaul>Torsten_W: that is how you start, go get mentored
14:36<ompaul>weoppas
14:36<ompaul>andrea_greyfox: that is how you start, go get mentored :)
14:36<Old_Year>Does anyone know why my debian install is hanging just after loading initrd.gz?
14:36<Torsten_W>Old_Year, why we should
14:36<Torsten_W>?
14:37<Torsten_W>Old_Year, no one here in this channel, has a crystalball
14:37<Old_Year>I guess. If you had you`ve answered me before I`d sent my question
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14:38<andrea_greyfox>ompaul, can you explain me what you intend when you say "go get mentored" ?
14:39<Old_Year>I dont know where to search the answer because whole thing is unclear
14:39<andrea_greyfox>ompaul, because i have not understand =(
14:39<ompaul>andrea_greyfox: go get yourself into the space where you get mentoring doing things the debian way
14:40<ompaul>andrea_greyfox: this starts with /join #debian-mentors
14:41<andrea_greyfox>ompaul, mmm ok
14:41<ompaul>Old_Year: what were you installing (version), on what hardware, did you md5 checksum the install media
14:41<toto42>df -h
14:41<toto42>Sorry
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14:41<andrea_greyfox>ompaul, but what is the difference between #debian and #debian-mentors ?
14:42<Torsten_W>the topic
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14:45<Old_Year>Debian 5.0.7 i386 (iso for USB drives). Installing from USB flash onto VSX-6115 board with x86 processor VortexSX.
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14:47<Old_Year>Media was created with Universal USB Installer. I had to replace vesamenu in syslinux to see installation menu. After I choose expert install and installer loads initrd.gz it hangs.
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14:50<Old_Year>oh no
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14:50<Old_Year>its time for vodka
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14:53<ompaul>Old_Year: I'm not saying this is what you have to do, but it might be better than asking here if you have a look around there: http://www.emdebian.org/support.html
14:54<Old_Year>thank you, I`ll look there
14:54<ompaul>Old_Year: also I suggest you try to use command line things like vga=791 or whatever to get yourself an install menu rather than swapping out parts of the prebuild system first (you may have done that and this might be a moot point)
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14:59<Old_Year>I`ve tried several options and then found a bug report on some forum with the same problem and solution.
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15:23<nastynate>hello i need some help
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15:23<nastynate>can anyone help me?
15:24<MeglaW>just state your problem
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15:25<nastynate>when i try to do this: ./program.pl
15:25<nastynate>it says access denied
15:25<nastynate>i am running the command as root
15:25<nastynate>it let's me do: perl program.pl but not ./program.pl
15:26<f8l>nastynate: `chmod +x program.pl`
15:26<jester45>i think you need to set the file as executable
15:26<nastynate>k
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15:27<nastynate>that worked
15:27<nastynate>thank you
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15:36<mihkel>Hi. Any Gnus users here? Anyway I managed to configure gnus to use all 4 of my gmail accounts, but now when I want to subscribe to those folders I can subscribe only into one accounts folders ie. when I do ^ on server buffer on account1 I see account2 folders there.
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15:58<fecito>Üdv itt van valaki aki tud magyarul?
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17:39<jordanb>does debian's oggenc honestly not support flac input?!?
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18:43<Dominus>when you create a new user it asks you to write some info like phone number, full name etc. It's put into /etc/passwd, but how do I get that data for a specific person? I'm mostly thinking about the "other" text, which is not printed when using the finger command.
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18:44<Daskreech>Hello
18:44<Daskreech>Why would a package built from source only have configuration files in it
18:45<chaos>how do i reinstall everything which has even remotely anything to do with graphics?
18:46<Daskreech>chaos: do a dep find for everything that depends on X ?
18:47<chaos>mc is not X
18:47<chaos>and i want that and all it's stuff included
18:48<Daskreech>Well then remember to include that :)
18:48<chaos>meah :P
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18:48<chaos>the problem is that i broke something and i dunno what exactly it is
18:49<chaos>it's a cross-version install thing i did and it bit me in the ass ... and now it seems i can't run mc cos it dies with undefined g_malloc_0 symbol
18:50<Daskreech>well perhaps fix that instead?
18:50<chaos>if i knew which package it was exactly i would
18:50<chaos>but i only have testing sources enabled now and aptitude is convinced everything is latest version there is
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18:54<scrappymungo>irc.what-network.net
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18:55<chaos>is there a fool proof way to test if my system would come alive if i rebooted it right now?
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19:03<rudi_s>chaos: Reboot it and see ... AFAIK no.
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19:05<chaos>yes well... it's working now and i need it working so i'll pass :P
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19:13<detly>I'm trying to find a decent dvd ripper gui for squeeze - I've been trying to get arista to work so far this morning, but I'm not a fan (won't let me select episodes, suddenly stops transcoding for no discernable reason, completely uncustomisable)
19:13<detly>does anyone have any recommendations?
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19:15<crunchbang>hi people
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19:16<jester45>thoggen might work for you
19:17<crunchbang>who work ?
19:17<crunchbang>hi jester
19:17<crunchbang>colt 45
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19:17<detly>jester45 - cool, I might give that a shot. I seem to remember last time I used it you couldn't turn off the preview, but maybe that's changed
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19:18<crunchbang>i dont know answer
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19:20<crunchbang>i must now go guys nice to chat
19:20<crunchbang>by by so the next time
19:21<crunchbang>all the best
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19:24<jester45>well he was chatty
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19:26<detly>maybe it was skynet
19:27<detly>ah dammit, still can't turn of preview in thoggen
19:27<jester45>have you tried dvd::rip?
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19:28<detly>not yet, I'll give it a shot now though
19:29<detly>(clearly no-one who writes thoggen ever watches a thriller)
19:30<jester45>lol
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19:32<tuxuser>hey
19:32<tuxuser>/mnt/nfsroot 192.168.11.0/255.255.255.0(rw,async,subtree_check) should be fine for nfsbootin right?
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19:32<tuxuser>cause i gettin alot of permission errors when bootin from an image, extracted from squashfs
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19:33<tuxuser>*system, extracted from squashfs
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19:36<antgel>oh crap. /proc/bus/usb/devices has disappeared in squeeze, anyone know where to?
19:36<antgel>all i can see is vague info about a conflict with udev
19:36<antgel>s/see/find/
19:37<antgel>ah. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=483392
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19:56<G33k>hey guys , i want to install debian i saw a tutorial teching how to seperate partitions making a partition /home with 1 gb , if i did it would it be later file home only have 1 gb of space ?
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19:57<G33k>i mean if i give the debian file system a partition like 50 gb
19:57<G33k>and file home like 1 gb
19:57<G33k>will the file home only have 1 gb of free space ?
19:58<dvs>yes
19:59<G33k>but ive heard its better to make an externel partition for /home , and i want to put alot of files inside this folder :S
19:59<G33k>so its a bad idea
19:59<dvs>G33k: giving /home its own partition is an external partition
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20:00<G33k>that folders on the desktop saying user-name 's Home
20:00<cozminsky>G33k, it's a good idea to put home in it's own partition if there is a chance that you'll be putting so much in home that it will fill the root
20:00<cozminsky>G33k, things can get pretty ugly if your root fills up
20:00<G33k>si i put it on its own partition ?
20:01<G33k>so*
20:01<dvs>G33k: yeah, it's a good idea to put /home in its own partition.
20:01<G33k>i have like 100 gb of files
20:01<G33k>i want to make debian my main OS
20:01<cozminsky>G33k, if the contents of home is going to be predictable and not jump suddenly in size then it would be fine to put it on the same partition
20:01<G33k>im using ubuntu right now i want to switch
20:01<dvs>G33k: so give /home a larger size.
20:02<G33k>and how much file system needs
20:02<G33k>a space ?
20:02<G33k>btw i love downloading progs
20:02<dvs>G33k: 100GB is plenty for a user's system.
20:02<G33k>im going to give 100gb for /home
20:03<dvs>and what do you have left?
20:03<G33k>is 30gb good for debian file system space
20:03<cozminsky>G33k, if you're doing multiple partitions then a X workstation probably requires 20 gig for /
20:03<dvs>30GB is ok.
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20:03<G33k>30 gb is good for downloading all progs for debian ( apt-get ) ?
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20:04<G33k>because there is like 4 dvds of apps lol
20:04<cozminsky>G33k, if you want some flexibility you can use lvm for your partitions
20:04<G33k>i dont know anything about lvm thing
20:05<cozminsky>G33k, it's an abstraction on disk space, you put your disk into an lvm volume group and then create partitions from that space
20:05<cozminsky>you're able to grow the partitions as they run low on space
20:05<cozminsky>if you have free space left in the volume group
20:05<dvs>It's impossible to install all Debian programs at the same time.
20:05<G33k>i know but i want to later for sure
20:06<G33k>in this fucking ubuntu thing i cant watch dvds
20:06<G33k>but i had installed all the movie progs
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20:07<detly>cozminsky - it's not trivial to resize lvm partitions though, you need to be savvy enough to create a live distro to do it
20:07<G33k>this lvm thing look to be hard , im still a newbie u know :(
20:08<G33k>ubuntu is for lazy persons and its easy and its weak also comparing to debian as everyone says
20:08<cozminsky>detly, not true, most filesystems can do online growth
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20:09<mr_moon>beep
20:09<detly>cozminsky - really? I wish I'd known that... do you have a link to instructions?
20:09<cozminsky>in fact my favourite filesystem, xfs, requires that the filesystem be mounted in order to grow
20:10<detly>wait, is it growth only? or do you mean resizing either way?
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20:11<cozminsky>xfs does growth only
20:11<cozminsky>ext3 you can shrink
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20:11<G33k>another help guys , between Thank you , i have ubuntu and i want to install debian what about grub thing , will debian grub will let me acces ubuntu ?
20:11<cozminsky>but you need to have special conditions met
20:11<cozminsky>like the free space has to be at the end of the partition
20:12<cozminsky>I wouldn't recommend shrinking if you can help it
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20:13<G33k>another help guys , between Thank you , i have ubuntu and i want to install debian what about grub thing , will debian grub will let me acces ubuntu ?
20:14<detly>cozminsky - well, I have my entire HDD used up... it wouldn't be possible to grow one partition without shrinking another
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20:14<cozminsky>detly, yeah, that's why I recommended that if you're going to do lvm to leave a lot of free space
20:15<detly>yeah, next time I do a debian install I'm not going to bother with lvm
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20:16<cozminsky>the biggest advantages are stuff like block level backups with dump/restore, quick cloning of partitions and the like
20:17<cozminsky>not really going to save much space over static partitions if you know the relative sizes of your partitions to start with
20:19<G33k>can anyone help me so i can go through installing debian :) ?
20:20<rudi_s>G33k: What's wrong with Ubuntu?
20:20<G33k>iwant to install grub with debian right ?
20:20<G33k>so i also have it with ubuntu
20:21<G33k>would it make any problems /
20:21<G33k>?
20:21<G33k>cause ive faced some when ive installed fedora
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20:22<cozminsky>you don't need to install grub again if you don't intend to delete ubuntu
20:22<rudi_s>G33k: Grub will work, the problem is setting up the partitions and making sure you're not overwriting Ubuntu.
20:22<Roofus901>hi everyone
20:22<G33k>thats the prob i may delete ubuntu later
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20:22<Roofus901>so far i've been using iceweasel, i've noticed some videos on some sites don't work, is there a browser that has all that stuff pre-packaged that i can use?
20:22<Roofus901>that works better out of box with flash/java?
20:23<cozminsky>iceweasel works fine with flash and java if you have the plugins installed
20:23<Arrowmaster>nothing comes with everything prepackaged
20:23<Roofus901>didn't think so lol
20:23<Arrowmaster>try installing the adobe flashplayer
20:23<cozminsky>I recommend you go with flashplugin-nonfree if you want all the flash content to work
20:24<Roofus901>thx
20:24<cozminsky>and make sure it's not preferring something like gnash
20:24<Arrowmaster>well not everything works even with flashplugin-nonfree, but more than most other flashplugins afaik
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20:25<Roofus901>ya cuz i went to adobe, but the problem is that i'm on a 64-bit linux, and they discontinued there 64-bit player
20:25<cozminsky>Arrowmaster, really? the only problems I've had with adobe flash are flakiness of crashing, etc.
20:25<Roofus901>so i'll check into that
20:25<cozminsky>Roofus901, no, they have a real version out now
20:25<cozminsky>Roofus901, but it's a recent thing, only in the past few months
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20:25<detly>Roofus901 - are you using 32 bit or 64 bit debian?
20:25<Roofus901>ohhhh
20:26<detly>oh
20:26<Roofus901>detly, 64-bit
20:26<detly>you just answered, don't mind me :)
20:26<Roofus901>lol
20:26<Roofus901>thx cozminsky
20:26<cozminsky>http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer
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20:26<cozminsky>On amd64 the 64 bit preview release 10.3.162.29 is installed.
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20:27<G33k>would i face problems installing debian grub , when i already have ubuntu grub that i may delete it later ?
20:27<cozminsky>G33k, only one of them will be installed at a time, and they'll probably be identical
20:28<cozminsky>G33k, not sure whether the tools that generate the menus and such will be aware of the other OS
20:28<G33k>cozminsky so when im installing debian i would go for grub installing , and everything will be ok :) ?
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20:29<cozminsky>G33k, yeah, worst case scenario is that it doesn't see your ubuntu install and you'd have to add the grub config to the menus manually
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20:29<G33k>thank you cozminsky
20:29<G33k>merry xmas guys and happy new year :D
20:30<cozminsky>G33k, i.e. mount the ubuntu boot partition manually and look for the grub config file and copy the root, kernel, etc lines out
20:31<cozminsky>but it can detect windows, so I don't see why it wouldn't detect another linux distro
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20:32<G33k>oh that thing grub config can u explain more im a newbie :(
20:32<Roofus901>oh wow, after that install it works much better now
20:32<Roofus901>before i was having to F5 3-5 times to get a youtube vid to just start lol
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20:33<G33k>cozminsky thank you anyway :D im going to the installation :D:D
20:34<G33k>bye Guys :)
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20:35<sardinator>;)
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20:37<Roofus901>woohoo. now i can watch my game that's being streamed live lol
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20:43<detly>jester45 - are you familiar with ddvd::rip yourself?
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20:51<detly>ah to hell with dvd::rip, this is ridiculous
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21:09<dwlinux>hello,any one know how to scroll terminal's output,up or down by line,not "shift + pageup" or "shift + pagedown"?
21:10<dwlinux>?
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21:16<detly>jester45 - in case you're interested, handbrake is pretty darn good
21:17<rudi_s>detly, jester45: But AFAIK only if you don't care for different audio/subtitle tracks.
21:18<rudi_s>I use dvdbackup (console) if I want to store the complete DVD with all data.
21:18<jester45>dd can also do that :)
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21:20<detly>rudi_s - yeah, if I have complex stuff to do, I'll use the command line
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21:20<detly>but rihgt now I just want to rip a bunch of tv shows to watch on my laptop :P
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21:48<k0nn>not much goin on here tonight i see....
21:50<dvs>zzzzzzzzzz
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21:51<k0nn>yeah i can see lol
21:51<detly>it's morning here :P
21:51<k0nn>oh i c
21:51<k0nn>10pm here
21:51<babilen>The channel over at freenode is typically more active.
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21:55<pabs>anyone know how to get OpenSSH to require both a password and a key for logins?
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21:57<babilen>pabs: Best way to achieve that is to use a key with a passphrase
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21:57<pabs>no, I mean key and also a password on the host
21:58<jester45>why is the password required to be used on the host?
21:59<babilen>pabs: What are you trying to achieve by that? (And yes, I am not sure about the answer as of now as well)
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22:04<babilen>… looks as if it is not as important after all. Have a good day!
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22:55<amakusa>hello all, I have a damaged dvd and need to rescue files, any idea of what package to use?
22:55<cozminsky>data or video?
22:55<amakusa>data
22:56<cozminsky>hrm dunno, but I think it being data probably makes it easier
22:56<detly>ddrescue has been good for me in the past, but don't expect miracles
22:57<detly>actually, make that gddrescue
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22:57<detly>there's also photorec in the testdisk package
22:58<amakusa>delty, I'll check those out right now, thanks
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