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---Logopened Mon Jan 03 00:00:04 2011
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00:00<kveroneau>If no network access can be done, it could be a hard crash, in which you will need recovery mode to disable X temporarily.
00:01<Jimmy89>well it has an ip so that is a good sign
00:01<Jimmy89>ok i ssh'd in, about to check the log file
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00:02<kveroneau>thats always good sign.
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00:03<kveroneau>What you could try is stopping X via SSH and then manually running Xorg from a shell on the pyhical system.
00:03<Jimmy89>so what am i looking for in Xorg.0.log
00:03<Jimmy89>lol xorg is using 100% cpu atm
00:04<kveroneau>ouch, stop the X server remotely: /etc/init.d/gdm stop
00:04<kveroneau>change gdm to kdm, if you use kde.
00:04<Jimmy89>i use gnome so thats fine
00:05<Jimmy89>Xorg is still running though
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00:05<jester45>grep EE Xorg.0.log will give you all the errors
00:05<Jimmy89>(WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
00:05<Jimmy89>(II) Loading extension MIT-SCREEN-SAVER
00:05<Jimmy89>thats all that command returns
00:06<Jimmy89>should i kill the Xorg process?
00:06<kveroneau>Yes, if it's taking all your CPU
00:06<jester45>so no errors, you can try WW but i wouldnt paste that here. might give a lot of output
00:07<kveroneau>warnings are fairly common during startup, unfortunately...
00:07<kveroneau>You could rename your xorg.conf to xorg.old and run X manually from a shell.
00:07<jester45>which is why i would not paste it... but it may be something
00:07<Jimmy89>(WW) fglrx(0): Xorg.conf option EnableMonitor of driver section is not supported when RandR 1.2 is enabled!
00:08<kveroneau>Hmm, your using the fglrx module. Check dmesg for any errors when loading the kernel module for it.
00:09<kveroneau># dmesg | grep fglrx
00:10<Jimmy89>just messages about shared memory blocks from what i can tell
00:10<Jimmy89>it is an integrated card
00:11<kveroneau>You could either try renaming the xorg.conf or using the ati driver and see if you can at least get a display.
00:11<kveroneau>what happened before this issue occured?
00:12<Jimmy89>it seemed to be working fine :p
00:12<Jimmy89>until i restarted it today
00:12<Jimmy89>and know just black screen
00:12<jester45>i also suggest renaming the xorg.conf a new one should be generated with "safe" defaults if not the fastest/correct resolution
00:12<Jimmy89>yep I think i will try that now
00:16<Jimmy89>well it boots with the default xorg.conf
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00:17<kveroneau>That's good to hear, from this point, you will not have 3D accel until you either change the driver back or run ati-config --initial
00:17<kveroneau>If the issue occurs again, try re-installing the ATI drivers or wait for Squeeze to be released, of which has new ATI drivers.
00:19<kveroneau>I'm using Squeeze on my laptop with the open source ATI drivers, but using the non-free firmware for it. It works rather well. :)
00:20<kveroneau>Unfortunately, I have yet to correctly configure suspend to either RAM or Disk. Had it working once, awhile back in Lenny or Etch.
00:20<Jimmy89>hmm, yeh it black screen again
00:20<dvs>You could get the backported kernel and try that.
00:21<kveroneau>Re-install the ATI drivers either from APT or from their website. APT is best, but if that's not working, you could try the one from ATI directly.
00:21<kveroneau>That's an idea too.
00:22<Jimmy89>how do you install them from apt-get?
00:23<kveroneau>You will need to enable non-free in your source.lst file.
00:24<kveroneau>apt-cache search fglrx
00:24<kveroneau>Use that to find the package name after enabling non-free
00:24<kveroneau>You should remove the ATI ones using their uninstaller first.
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00:29<ally>trying to install virtualbox-ose-guest-x11 but getting "Depends: virtualbox-ose-guest-utils (=3.2.4-dfsg-1~bpo50+1) but 1.6.6-dfsg-3 is to be installed"... any suggestions on how to properly manage getting this working? backports?
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00:30<kveroneau>Are you installing these packages inside a "guest" debian system?
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00:38<Jimmy89>so just apt-get instlal fglrx-driver now?
00:38<Jimmy89>i removed the old ones
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00:40<kveroneau>Yes, it should also install fglrx-glx automatically.
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00:41<kveroneau>You will still need to manually configure your xorg.conf to use the new driver. I believe the debian packages come with ati-config as well.
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00:47<ally>kveroneau, by the look of the documentation i figured they were to be installed to the host... this is debian on both host and guest
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00:58<kveroneau>ally, the host only needs virtualbox-ose-qt, virtualbox-ose, and virtualbox-guest-additions to operate.
00:59<kveroneau>ally, the guest packages there are meant to be run on the guide, the x11 package for example, enables the xorg.conf and installs special drivers to make X more responsive.
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01:01<kveroneau>VirtualBox. These utilities are meant to be run inside the virtual machine. They provide closer integration and improve the interactive performance.
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01:02<kveroneau>.... middle click fails to paste from my konsole in konverstation ... :(
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01:02<kveroneau>ally, run apt-cache show virtualbox-ose-guest-x11 for a better description.
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01:23<Jimmy89>hmm, i tried to install fglrx using the apt-get method, however X11 is telling me no screens were detected..
01:25<sney>sometimes it has a fit if you're replacing radeonhd
01:25<sney>a reboot can help
01:27<Jimmy89>hmm I have tried that, I hate these ati drivers
01:28<sney>yeah, proprietary software is a bummer
01:28<sney>there might be some good info at
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02:12<michaelq1978>Does anyone knows where to buy PCI GSM modem
02:13<sney>I have a PCMCIA one kicking around in a drawer somewhere
02:13<sney>it's a tough thing to find
02:13<sney>Serial is easier because there are no serial winmodems
02:13<sney>if you have a serial port in the computer in question I'd advise going that route
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02:16<michaelq1978>@ sney then were to buy that stuff, Im here in New Zealand?
02:16<sney>though I realize that maybe I'm talking about something else
02:16<sney>do you mean gsm like for a mobile phone?
02:17<sney>then I have no idea, sorry :(
02:17<michaelq1978>k, thanks.
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03:25<oskie>is there a dnssec problem with debian? validating @0xb7b37400: A: no valid signature found
03:25<babilen>There was a discussion about this on debian-devel -- I am not sure what the current status is, but you might want to check the archives
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03:26<oskie>hmm, ok
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03:28<lella>ciao atutti
03:30<dpkg>VATTENE VIA!
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03:48<lella>ciao atutti
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03:55<Nazcafan>why is now evolution a dependency of gnome-core?
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03:57<troulouliou>hi does anybody have the problem ailed: /usr/lib/ undefined symbol: _nv000132gl
03:57<troulouliou>when launching some application compiled against opengl ?
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05:02<EmleyMoor>Other than qemu and kvm, what platform VMs exist in Debian?
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05:13<babilen>EmleyMoor: virtualbox, xen, vmware (not packaged, but works), ...
05:13<dpkg>For resources concerning the use of Debian as a host for virtual computers, or as a guest within a virtual computer, see . Also ask me about <hyper-v>, <kvm>, <linux-vserver>, <lxc>, <mol>, <openvz>, <pearpc>, <qemu>, <user mode linux>, <virtualbox>, <virtual pc>, <vmware>, <xen>, <xve>, <ksm>.
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05:14<babilen>EmleyMoor: Check the factoids above -- /msg dpkg virtualbox
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05:26<Guest3107>is anyone here
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05:28<Guest3107>name Quinton
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05:34<EmleyMoor>babilen: Thanks - on the whole, I think that virtualbox will be my best alternative when qemu is not meeting my needs
05:34<EmleyMoor>(and kvm better than qemu most of the time)
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05:47<EmleyMoor>Can we help you?
05:49<YourNewNick>oh i want a manual about backtrack4
05:50<dpkg>BackTrack is not Debian and is not supported in #debian (ask me about <based on debian>). Try or #backtrack-linux on instead. BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux.
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05:50<YourNewNick>oh. i see ,thank you.
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05:51<andrea_greyfox>very good description about backtrack dpkg
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05:54<babilen>!bt4 magic
05:54<dpkg>BackTrack is just an operating system. It does not magically turn you into a hacker. It is also offtopic in #debian. Please fulfill your fantasies in #backtrack-linux on
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05:58<YourNewNick>what the difference between ubuntu and debian?
05:58<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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06:17<mihkel>Hi. I use et_EE locale, where weekday starts with monday (and in gnome it does), but when I run "cal" in terminal, weekday starts with sunday
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06:19<petemc>mihkel: cal -m
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06:26<dpkg>[ldap] Lightweight Directory Access Protocol, a client/server protocol for accessing a directory service. It is a lightweight version of the X.500 protocol. Ask me about <openldap>. #ldap on
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06:35<mihkel>Sorry internet problems. I also noticed that in emacs M-x calendar weekday starts with sunday
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06:40<mihkel>Although in /usr/share/i18n/locales/et_EE first_weekday and first_workday are set to 2
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06:43<mihkel>also Estonia joined eurozone in jan. 1 2011. There is a patch submitted to upstream already. Should I report a bug againt Debian libc also, so that squeeze gets released with right settings for et_EE?
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07:15<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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07:30<Mykhaylo>Good morning/afternoon/morning
07:30<Mykhaylo>and evening
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07:31<Mykhaylo>Can somoene answer my question about Atheros AR8151 support in squeeze?
07:31<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
07:31<Mykhaylo>It is: "Does actual installer support this card"?
07:31<dpkg>The Atheros AR8151 Gigabit Ethernet controller (PCI-ID 1969:1073) - found in the Acer Aspire TimelineX 1380T and 3280TG - is supported by the <atl1c> driver in Debian linux-image packages since linux-2.6 2.6.32-28 (BTS #599771). Use a daily built image for device support at Debian installation time, ask me about <install testing>.
07:32<Mykhaylo>great, thank you
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07:37<Dominus>Hello everyone. I was wondering if it was possible for a website (in PHP) to check whether a given task is running, or not running. I am trying to make a site which will tell users whether the server are up or down
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07:53<dutchfish>Dominus: why not use Nagios for that? or take at least a look at how they did it.
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07:54<dutchfish>Dominus: munin is another option.
07:54<Dominus>ok, thanks. I'll give those two options a look :)
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08:00<marga>Hi! I'm trying to set my own values to hdparm apm value. I can set it correctly with hdparm -B, but when returning from suspend or hibernate, it's set back to a different value. I checked the pm-suspend script and related functions and couldn't find anything related to hdparm... Can it be that the machine's BIOS is resetting this value?
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08:07<dutchfish>marga: are you sure, you are not doing acpi and apm at the same time? bios ha snothing to do with it, but kernel does. also consider apm=on on kernel commmandline on boot.
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08:08<marga>dutchfish: I'm not sure of anything :)
08:08<marga>dutchfish: but I just fixed it adding a script to /etc/pm/sleep.d/
08:09<dutchfish>marga: then start with the kernel documentation about acpi and apm, also read about xapmload.
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08:09<marga>dutchfish: sorry, not really my cup of tea.
08:10<marga>dutchfish: I could set the values alright, I was just trying to trace who reset them to something else when suspending/hibernating, but it doesn't matter, cause I found where I should reset them to my values, so that's fine.
08:10<marga>Thanks for the help, anyway.
08:10<dutchfish>marga: the kernel
08:10<dutchfish>marga: yw
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08:13<_julian>I am trying to make a deb-package for a kernel module which comes as a package just containing the module and a makefile "make && make install" does install it on a system normally.
08:14<_julian>I tried dh_make with kernel module preset, but I run into trouble
08:14<_julian>it tries to copy drivers/* to some location as source, which does not exist in that package. does anyone know details how to handle this?
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08:15<ompaul>_julian: you would be better in #debian-mentors which deals with building software for debian
08:16<_julian>ompaul: ah nice, thanks
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08:25<thekid>what do these numbers in the first column mean in dmesg output ? ( eg. "[40556.254368] generic-bluetooth" .. etc ) is this a timestamp of some kind?
08:27<ompaul>woops seconds but you knew that
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08:32<thekid>ompaul: wow awk $1 / 3600 really returns the value in hours :) long-time mistery solved :D
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08:34<thekid>hovewer it's strange that 'uptime' reads from /proc/uptime and translates the timestamp to human readable format, yet dmesg also reading from /proc do not, or maybe it's just my distro
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08:35<Kristian>thekid: uptime only prints 1 line
08:35<ompaul>thekid: no, think about it for a moment (I nearly said second) how much compute time could be used doing those conversions
08:36<Kristian>if you loop it continously 24/7, roughly 0.00001s seconds cpu time?
08:36<Kristian>it's formatting.
08:37<Kristian>with dmesg-output, fractions of a second is important. In the old days, you didn't even have that
08:37<Kristian>so you had no idea wether something happened "just now" or "2 months ago"
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08:38<Kristian>but you do have /var/log/kern.log - with normal syslog timestamps
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08:39<thekid>hmm /var/log/kern.log is useful.. deleting modified dmesg script :)
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08:40<thekid>does kern.log exist on all/most linux distributions?
08:40<Kristian>some variant of it, yes
08:40<Kristian>and if it doesn't, it's not hard to set up
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08:41<thekid>thanks for the enlightenment :)
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08:44<Kristian>mind you - /var/log/dmesg is usually a snapshot from the last boot
08:45<Kristian>ie: no point looking there for post-boot events or "proper" time stamps
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08:50<kyentei>Hello there everyone. I was wondering, ever since new installs of squeeze/sid, GDM3 is being used. And I can't find any help regarding changing the theme in the login screen.
08:51<kyentei>I've read that perhaps I could remove gdm3 and install gdm, but I don't think I want to do that.
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08:55<bluenemo>hi guys. i need to test sth. and therefore need full load on my cpu. what could i use for that?
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08:56<ansgar>bluenemo: cpuburn?
08:56<bluenemo>ansgar, thank you
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09:25<Dominus>I give up on Nagios. Too much too learn, too little time :/
09:25<Dominus>too much to learn*
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09:31<Dominus>is it possible to encrypt some files, so that you can't read them without typing a password?
09:31<Dominus>It's okay if it is just a compression tool like .zip
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09:32<Dominus>and is it possible with another compression tool other than zip? :)
09:32<Dominus>I know you can put passwords on .zip files..
09:32<vtts>or if just encrypt, gpg -c
09:33<Brahem>algun español
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09:34<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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09:36<Brahem>dpkg tanks
09:36<dpkg>it has been said that tanks is something thats gunna blow your skinny ass away!
09:36<dpkg>no idea, babilen
09:37<babilen>dpkg: Boo!
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09:40<devil>uh, he killed da bot.
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10:02<Dominus>dpkg: Boo!
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10:02<Dominus>babilen: thx btw :)
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10:06<babilen>no problem -- not sure if that is what you were looking, but wanted to mention it
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10:08<babilen>ecryptfs might also be worth a look -- for others see
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10:46<ballison>when a dpkg gets installed, and there's a script inside the dpkg that runs, where does that script get installed on the file system.
10:46<ballison>in other words, if a package comes with an install script, where can i find that install script?
10:47<cheteen>anybody can help me?
10:47<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
10:48<ompaul>ballison: methinks you mean what are the files in /var/lib/dpkg/info doing
10:49<cheteen>oke sory I have a problem in compiz Im using ubuntu but I cant active cube atlantis?
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10:49<ompaul>cheteen: ubuntu is on a different network #ubuntu this is #debian
10:50<ompaul>cheteen: they are not the same so I very strongly suggest you go there
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10:51<cheteen>ompaul thank you for help
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10:56<r00t-Ed>hello, i need to use the old style /dev/ptyq# insted of the /dev/pts/# ways of doing things. I saw the kernel parameter: pty.legacy_count= but the vanilla deb 2.6.26-2 says that it is an unknown boot option
10:57<ballison>ompaul: thanks. that's what i was looking for.
10:57<ompaul>ballison: enjoy :)
10:58<cahoot>r00t-Ed: checked the .config if that option is enabled at all?
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11:00<r00t-Ed>err, it says: # CONFIG_LEGACY_PTYS is not set
11:00<r00t-Ed>balls -_-
11:01<mihkel>Hi. I asked this before, but no reply. So here I am again.
11:01<r00t-Ed>i gess notthing is easy
11:01<mihkel>When I run M-x calendar in Emacs or cal in terminal, the week starts
11:01<mihkel>with sunday althoug in in /usr/share/i18n/locales/et_EE first_weekday
11:01<mihkel>and first_workday are set to 2 (week starts with moday).
11:01<mihkel>Only in gnome
11:01<mihkel>the calendar starts with monday
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11:02<rpetre>mihkel: run "locale" and look at LC_TIME
11:03<rpetre>and that is usually monday-first or sunday-first?
11:04<rpetre>is LC_ALL set?
11:04<mihkel>how do I set it
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11:05<mihkel>In /etc/locale.gen I have uncommented et_EE.UTF-8 UTF-8
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11:06<rpetre>hm, it doesn't seem to be a locale issue
11:07<rpetre>i tried cal with romanian LC_TIME and it only affected day names, not order
11:09<rpetre>try ncal -M (although it has a different layout which i don't see how can be changed)
11:09<e-mode>from command line tried ncal?
11:09<mihkel>ncal -M shows monday as the fist day of the week
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11:14<mihkel>I also have another question. In Jan. 1 2011 Estonia joined eurozone.
11:15<mihkel>There is already a libc patch in upstream
11:15<mihkel>Should I also notify (send a bug report) to Debian libc mainstainers, so
11:15<mihkel>that squeeze get released with right locale settings?
11:15<rpetre>mihkel: it wouldn't hurt
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11:30<bgat>quick, stupid question to start off the New Year. :) Is there any point to having more than 4GB of RAM on a machine running i386 squeeze?
11:30<cahoot>bigmem kernel?
11:31<bgat>yep, but only because I have an nVidia GPU
11:31<ompaul>bgat: is it a server or desktop
11:31<bgat>but does a fair amount of LXR and kernel and Android building
11:31<bgat>said machine is engaged in its typical workload right now, has 4GB installed, and isn't swapping
11:32<bgat>MemTotal: 4147304 kB
11:32<bgat>MemFree: 263672 kB
11:32<ompaul>so there is no reason to add to that
11:33<bgat>SwapTotal: 14190576 kB
11:33<ompaul>unless you suddenly change your use profile
11:33<bgat>SwapFree: 14190576 kB
11:33<bgat>ompaul: that's what I'm thinking, too.
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11:34<ompaul>bgat: please use when you want to dump in the channel and dump the url instead ;-)
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11:34<bgat>but let's say my use profile does change to become more memory-intensive. Can I just throw another 4GB in, or am I better off going to 8GB? I really like the multimedia et. al stuff that isn't available on amd64 :)
11:34<bgat>ompaul: sorry, will use pastebin next time.
11:35<bgat>er, rephrase question. Am I better off going to amd64, or just throwing in another 4GB?
11:35<ompaul>bgat: if you throw more ram at it just use the bigmem kernel
11:35<bgat>darn it, I mean "going to amd64 and adding another 4GB, or staying with i386 and 8GB"
11:36<bgat>ompaul: ok, that makes sense
11:36<ompaul>and if you are for any reason unhappy you can run windows ;-) /me hides
11:36<bgat>yea, cause misery loves company :)
11:36*ompaul takes his humour over to -ot
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11:37<bgat>darn it, late for a meeting. hate to ask and run, but... :)
11:37<bgat>thanks, though!
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11:38<babilen>bgat: I am curious, what is missing on amd64?
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11:38<ompaul>babilen: I don't know about 64 today but a couple of years ago you ran into all sorts of 32bit codec problems
11:39<babilen>ompaul: I have no problem whatsoever, hence my curiosity.
11:39<ompaul>babilen: cool
11:39<hagen>how to change the time?
11:39<Dominus>how do you enable ftp access to your webserver?? :)
11:39<devil>64-bit is perfectly fine, other than some 3rd party crap like skype that does not release 64-bit versions
11:40<babilen>Dominus: You don't. Use sftp/scp/ssh
11:40<ompaul>Dominus: you don't you use scp to move stuff to your server, and that was covered yesterday,
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11:40<babilen>devil: skype works without problems on amd64 as well.
11:40<ballison>devil: can't you just run the 32 bit version ontop of a 64bit OS?
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11:40<devil>babilen: i know, i just dont like ia-32 stuff much
11:41<babilen>ballison: yes, you just have to install a couple of 32bit libs (essentialy ia32-libs and is32-libs-gtk)
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11:41<Dominus>ballison & ompaul: ok, but if I want other people to be able to only access the web-part, and not the entire system, what would i do?
11:41<babilen>devil: Agreed, a native version would be better
11:41<ompaul>tell them to use ssh
11:41<ompaul>or scp
11:41<Dominus>ompaul: Okay, thanks then ;)
11:41<ballison>or sftp :)
11:41<devil>...which could at any time braeak again badly
11:42<devil>the ia32-bit stuff, that is
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11:44<ballison>there's a 64-bit version of Skype for Ubuntu listed on
11:45<babilen>ballison: it is not a native 64bit version
11:45<hagen>how can i change the time in my system?
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11:46<f0rk>hagen: change it like how? server or desktop?
11:46<ballison>hagen: ntp?
11:46<dpkg>[ntp] Network Time Protocol, a protocol for synchronizing clocks of computer systems over a network. "aptitude install ntp" for basic usage, use "" as your NTP server if you don't have one of your own already. See also <set time>, <pool.ntp>.
11:46<hagen>oops. desktop
11:47<babilen>hagen: Just set the time once with "date --set" or "ntpdate". Install ntp to make sure it is synchronised afterwards.
11:48<babilen>hagen: Or use some Gnome/KDE thingie for that -- I am pretty sure that they offer a way to set your time and enable ntp (if it is installed)
11:48<devil>kde does
11:48<ballison>i'm surprised Ubuntu doesn't come with ntp out of the box.
11:48<hagen>xfce here
11:48<ballison>i had to manually apt-get install it.
11:49<babilen>ballison: I have no idea about Ubuntu and don't really care as well.
11:49<ballison>babilen: all well it's a branch out debian and it's pretty. :)
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11:51<devil>a branch? i beg to differ :)
11:52<ballison>Fedora is to RedHat as Ubuntu is to Debian. True statement?
11:52<devil>ballison: nope, not true.
11:52<jhutchins_lt>In any case, ubuntu is off topic here.
11:52<ompaul>ballison: more false than false, just wrong! ;-)
11:53<devil>yes, lets not go there.
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12:40<Dominus>Okay. I've installed Joomla! on my server, but it takes ages to load every page. When I check the CPU and RAM usage, it's not using any more than 10% at it's highest, but normally around 4-5%.. How can it be that it loads that slowly? :/
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12:40<magyar>hi, i have squeeze installed. I can't get sound to work with youtube (flash). How can I resolve this issue?
12:40<Dominus>A link for the website is
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12:46<kop>Dominus: It must be using disk.
12:47<Dominus>kop: meaning what?
12:47<kop>Dominus: I know nothing about Joomla! but if it uses a database the db must be badly tuned.
12:47<kop>Dominus: It's using a lot of disk I/O.
12:48<kop>Dominus: (If you're not using cpu or ram, disk is all that's left. I suppose there's network too, but....)
12:48<Dominus>Oh. How can I check that in MySQL
12:49<devil>Dominus: are you sure you need the overhead of a cms?
12:49<kop>Dominus: I don't know. You can install sysstat and run iostat. Or just run vmstat to check disk usage.
12:50<Dominus>devil: what do you mean?
12:50<kop>Dominus: I abandoned mysql for postgresql a long time ago. Someone here might know more about mysql. You could see if it has a README.Debian doc in /usr/share/doc/mysql....
12:50<Dominus>kop: I'll give it a try
12:50<devil>Dominus: that you probably do not need a cms
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12:50<kop>devil: Yeah, but they are handy.
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12:51<Gathond>perhaps jomla is set to attempt using mysql in a manner it does not support
12:51<devil>kop: yeah, but they need to be understood and administred
12:52<Gathond>then later falling back to a connection scheme it it configured to support
12:52<kop>Gathond: Possible. If he did not install from the debian repos.
12:53<Gathond>kop: well even if he did, I'm pretty sure the DB connection string needs at least a bit of editing
12:53<Gathond>not sure what order it tries in tcp/socket wise if one just sets localhost
12:53<Gathond>Dominus: try setting mysql to log the query times
12:53<Dominus>devil: why not? :D
12:53<Dominus>Gathond: Ok, I will try that.
12:53<Dominus>Brb for 10 min
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13:03<haggl>hey guys, i've got a serious problem with dm-crypt/LUKS
13:03<haggl>i just created a luks partition via cryptsetup luksFormat
13:03<haggl>worked well.
13:04<haggl>i opened it with cryptsetup luksOpen
13:04<haggl>fine so far
13:04<haggl>then i moved (not copied... idiot) my data onto it and rebooted
13:05<haggl>now cryptsetup says: "... is not a valid LUKS device."
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13:25<haggl>noone here?
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13:26<haggl>can you help me with a cryptsetup/luks-problem?
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13:38<crisalte>ooola ai algien ai
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13:57<r2d2> following this tutorial to setup a vnc server into debian . after doing all the steps correct(i think) now when i use vnc viewer to acess the vnc server,i get the following message" Pseudo-terminal will not be allocated because stdin is not a terminal. "what am i doing wrong?
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14:03<ComradeHaz`>Hi all, I wish to set up a pxe server on my Debian machine to serve out windows 7 to diskless clients. That is, machines that behave as normal windows machines but that have no HDD locally.
14:03<ComradeHaz`>Can anyone assist with this or at least point me to the right people?
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14:14<kop>ComradeHaz`: You'll probably follow the same instructions as setting up pxeboot in the install guide. And then do something with syslinux (sp?) to chain load the windows loader. Good luck.
14:17<ompaul>ComradeHaz`: just looking at that - and after you get pxeboot working (/msg dpkg pxe) I suppose these clients have very fast procs and 2 gigs of ram each, this makes them interesting to me for desktop use, what are they may I ask
14:17<ComradeHaz`>kop, love the appended 'good luck'! Indeed, it certainly does seem strangely difficult. The principal, to my mind at least, is one that I would imagine would be an attractive one to many. Being able to centrally store essentially all machines in an organisation on reliable servers and not rely on local machine's hardware would be useful to many, I would think
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14:19<cahoot>no objections from the owner of the software?
14:19<ComradeHaz`>ompaul: at the moment they are normal machines. Couple of gig of ram, core2duo processors.. Intention is to make them diskless as keep suffering HDD failure as I am cursed with some HDD killing affliction
14:19<ComradeHaz`>cahoot: talking to me?
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14:19<cahoot>sorry - yes
14:20<kop>ComradeHaz`: Yah. You never know with those licenses.
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14:20<ComradeHaz`>well, truth is, this is my home network! Just want to serve out 3 different windows installs to 3 different machines
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14:20<kop>ComradeHaz`: Ah, so you'll be inviting the authorities into your _home_ then. :-)
14:21<ompaul>ComradeHaz`: serve debian to the other machines and be done with it
14:21<ComradeHaz`>As I say, I want the 'experience' (for want of a better word) to be ecactly as it would for a normal machine, but for the files to be stored on the server
14:21<ComradeHaz`>ompaul: I wish!
14:22<sney>I wonder if you could do it with some kind of Xen fakery
14:22<ComradeHaz`>Sadly software is run that is Windows specific and won't run under wine or similar
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14:22<sney>pxeboot debian which acts as the dom0 for a win7 domU
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14:22<ComradeHaz`>sney? Please explain!
14:22<kop>sney: That almost sounds eaiser.
14:23<sney>you'd lose direct access to video hardware though
14:23<sney>don't know how important that is
14:24<ComradeHaz`>Hmm, I see. Bit clunky.
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14:25<ompaul>ComradeHaz`: basically prove you can do it on debian with debian clients (disable drive in one box for test) then make choices
14:25<ComradeHaz`>What wold be lovely if there was some layer that booted and then just looked like a normal wiped machine with a blank hdd that one could then just treat as a fresh machine but actually be doing stuff to the server
14:25<ComradeHaz`>I wrote that badly bt I think it makes sense :D
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14:26<ComradeHaz`>Right, She Who Must Be Obeyed informs me dinner is ready!
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14:26<ComradeHaz`>Thanks guys, perhaps back soon if I'm allowed! ;)
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14:50<jprice>what up
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14:51<jprice>printf("%d\n",++*x--*y*++*z); ?????????
14:51<jprice>what the heck is that doing?
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14:53<Gathond>math :)
14:53<jprice>the ++
14:53<jprice>its not incrimenting it
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14:54<jprice>testt.cpp: In function ‘int main()’:
14:54<jprice>testt.cpp:12: error: invalid operands of types ‘int’ and ‘int*’ to binary ‘operator*’
14:54<jprice>make: *** [testt] Error 1
14:54<jprice>it works if i remove the ++ and -- with + and -
14:54<Gathond>it should, although to be honest I have dougts about whether ++ works on dereferenced pointers
14:54<jprice>thats what i mean
14:54<jprice>what the heck is it doing
14:55<Gathond>wait *y* ?
14:55<Gathond>or do you mean to multiply?
14:55<jprice>yeah i know
14:55<jprice>my teacher gave it to me
14:55<jprice>and he can't explain it
14:55<jprice>but we have to do the assignment
14:55<jprice>i want to understand why
14:55<jprice>not just do assignment
14:55<f0rk>use more parenthesis
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14:56<Gathond>well did he give that exact line?
14:56<Gathond>honestly doing math like that in the print statement, imho belongs in the obfuscated C contest, not in real life
14:57<jprice>like this?
14:57*Gathond likes RPN way better than that crap:)
14:58<Gathond>perhaps (((++(*x))(--(*y)))*((++(*z))))
14:58<Gathond>although, honestly, something is missing between x and y
14:58<Gathond>if that is dual - to decrement y
14:59-!-mode/#debian [+l 456] by debhelper
14:59<Gathond>then you have no operator between the 2 afterwards
14:59<f0rk>looks like subtract negative y
14:59<Gathond>f0rk: there are dual '-' though so that would be decrement y
14:59<jprice>the script the teacher gave was
14:59<jprice>#include <stdio.h>
14:59<jprice>int main(){
14:59<jprice>int a = 3, b = 4, s= 7 , t = 9;
14:59<jprice>int *w = &a, *x = &b, *y = w, *z = x;
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14:59<f0rk>jprice: paste the whole code in a pastebin
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15:00<f0rk>jprice: paste the whole code in a pastebin
15:00<Gathond>and then, well there is an operator missing about what to do with the incremented value at *x and the devremented valie at *y
15:00<jordanm>there is also a #c on
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15:00<Gathond>or ... is it decrementing the pointer value before dereferencing it
15:00<f0rk>what if x is a function pointer
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15:01<jprice>i put the whole code at that site
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15:03<Gathond>f0rk: from the error message about int and int* I would say it is int ponters
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15:03<f0rk>try compiling with clang instead of gcc and see if you get better error messages
15:03<f0rk>Gathond: oh it is but I didn't read that until after making myself look stupid
15:03<Gathond>jprice: what should that line do?
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15:04<jprice>it works with just - or +
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15:04<jprice>but the teacher says it has to be this way
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15:05<Gathond>I still think something is missing in after x
15:05<Gathond>since there is no actual operator there
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15:17<jprice>cuál está para arriba
15:18<diudeno>pa arriba de donde
15:18<jprice>el linux gobierna a su mamá
15:18<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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15:20<jprice>su mamá aspira el pene en América, ha ha
15:20<jprice>para la grieta
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15:23<diudeno>jprice es muy gracioso
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15:42<danutz>hello I have a problem , I tried to use ErrorDocument on the Virtual Host file or in apache main configuration but is not working is still appearing the default message not found
15:42<jprice>gracias diudeno
15:43<jprice>have you tried looking for it in /etc/apache2
15:43<r2d2> setting up a remote desktop connection with my debian host.i installed tightvnc server,but someone told me i should use x11 instead.also,the computer that is the "viewer" is my laptop,wich has this bad intel integrated graphic card.i would like to know wich one would be better in my case x11 or tightvnc?
15:43<kenyon>danutz: what does the apache error log say?
15:44<jprice>httpd or apache2
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15:45<ballison>r2d2: So you are saying that your viewer computer has a bad graphics card... .well then no option is good then.
15:45<danutz>invalid url request is saying in var/log/apache2/error.log
15:45<danutz>and file does not exists
15:46<danutz>I only want to use ErrorDocument 404 with a html page
15:47<danutz>and is not working ,I tried in the apache2.conf or in the vhosts configuration file
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15:48<r2d2>how can i check in my debian desktop the graphic cards specs?
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15:49<devil>r2d2: with lspci
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15:52<danutz>any ideas......
15:53<kenyon>danutz: not without posting more info, such as logs and configurations
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15:54<r2d2>this is graphic cards spec.would u be so kind if would work with x11 or tightvnc server?
15:55<r2d2>to have a look*
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16:01<devil>r2d2: sure.
16:01<danutz> this is the log but why you need it ...I just asked why is not working ErrorDocument used with a file ..with a link it works
16:02<r2d2>ah,ok.thank you! :D .what would u recommend me best ,for a beginner,x11 or tightvnc?
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16:02<danutz> and the error one
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16:03<r2d2>i know x11 is built in,but what would i get "more" by installing tightvnc?
16:05<Dominus>I just reinstalled my entire operating system, debian 5.0 with LAMP :P fine fine. installed phpmyadmin, everything went smooth, but in the bottom off phpmyadmin, it says "Couldn't load the mcrypt extension. Please check your PHP configuration". How do I get rid of that error?
16:05<Kristian>r2d2: VNC isn't an alternative to X. X gives you a desktop, VNC (tight or otherwise) allow you to mirror it and interact with it over a network
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16:07<r2d2>ahh,kristian"thank you very much for the enlightening words...i was suspecting something like that...
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16:09<r2d2>and x is built in into a debian fresh install,right ;) ?
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16:10<yann>hm, I can't seem to find a tool in debian to print covers for mp3 cd's - did I miss an obvious one ?
16:11<Kristian>r2d2: X is part of debian, yes.
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16:13<e-mode>yann: cdlabelgen?
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16:13<yann>e-mode: ah, yes, "label" was a best keyword than "cover" - thx much!
16:14<e-mode>you're welcome :)
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16:17<r2d2>got dc
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16:25<yann>e-mode: do you know about a tool to generate cdlabelgen input ? looks like I'll have to write my own oneliner :}
16:31<e-mode>hmmm.... I did use it long time ago... If i remember right you had to edit some text file it used as a starting point
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16:32<yann>e-mode: well, it won't be long anyway :)
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16:54<sdk>Good afternoon all. Quick question. I want to use a NAS for my backup system storage media. Can I have the drive automount even if there's no one logged into the system?
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17:00<ComradeHaz`>sdk, um, sure. but why unmount in the first place?
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17:01<ComradeHaz`>Anyone here know how to configure an iSCSI server (target)?
17:02<EmleyMoor>Other than qemu/kvm, what is there in Debian that can function as a virtual AMD64 box for me to run another OS on?
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17:02<EmleyMoor>(I'm on squeeze if it helps)
17:02<ComradeHaz`>EmleyMoor: virtualbox
17:02<EmleyMoor>ComradeHaz`: Hmmm... that says I haven't enabled virtualization
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17:03<sdk>ComradeHaz: not unmounting specifically, but if I reboot the server, I can't require someone log in to mount the drives. The server will be running the backup 'server' task, and writing the data to the NAS.
17:03<ComradeHaz`>have you compiled in kernel dooberies?!
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17:03<EmleyMoor>It did them itself
17:03<ComradeHaz`>sdk fstab?
17:03<sdk>ComradeHaz`: I thought fstab only ran on login...
17:03<ComradeHaz`>fstab runs on boot.
17:04<ComradeHaz`>hmm, EmleyMoor, I don't recall that issue, have you gogled for it?
17:04<EmleyMoor>No - will check though
17:04<ComradeHaz`>EmleyMoor: I think that could be a BIOS setting.
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17:04<EmleyMoor>I have the BIOS setting already done - kvm wouldn't work without
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17:06<ComradeHaz`>EmleyMoor: Ah, yes, of course, you must.
17:06<ComradeHaz`>Well, have found virtual box to be very good.
17:07<ComradeHaz`>I would say it was worth spending a bit of time trying to get working.
17:07<mark250>hey everyone
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17:07<ComradeHaz`>so, EmleyMoor, it made you get module assistant and so forth?
17:07<mark250>will debian coexist with winblows on a dynamic disk?
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17:08<mark250>I have debian testing set up raid 0, winxp in a partition
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17:08<mark250>want to install win7 raid0 as well
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17:08<EmleyMoor>ComradeHaz`: It just went ahead - there's a -dkms package that looks after it
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17:09<EmleyMoor>(already got module-assistant anyway)
17:09<ComradeHaz`>EmleyMoor: fair enough, as you imply, you should be good to go then... I guess that's why you're here!
17:09<EmleyMoor>I will recheck my BIOS settings next time I need to reboot
17:09<ComradeHaz`>Try asking Monsieur Google :)
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17:20<mark250>Towanda: you need help with something?
17:21<Towanda>i am italy don t speak inglesch
17:22<mark250>sorry I don't know any italian
17:22<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
17:22<Towanda>ok grazie
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17:27<Dominus>how do you enable scrolling with the arrow keys in the man pages??
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17:27<Gathond>use another pager I believe
17:28<Gathond>i think the default valus is less or some such
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17:29<Gathond>or no, more perhaps, it may actually prefer less if you just install that with aptitude
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17:42<Dominus>Gathond: Umm.. what? :D
17:42<Dominus>I should install less?
17:44<mark250>I think if you install less it will replace more
17:44<mark250>less is much more friendly
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17:44<mark250>sudo aptitude install less
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17:47<Gathond>Dominus: yeah, I think debian prefers using less as a pager over more, and less supports arrows for scrolling
17:48<Dominus>Oh, it works now :D
17:48<Dominus>I like less :D
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17:55<mark250>does anyone know if linux can be installed on a "dynamic disk"?
17:56<f0rk>what is a dynamic disk?
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17:56<mark250>windoze uses them sometimes in place of partitions
17:56<gsimmons>dpkg: ldm
17:56<dpkg>[ldm] Logical Disk Manager is a logical volume manager implementation used by Microsoft Windows {2000,XP,Vista,7} operating systems. Partitions created within LDM are referred to as dynamic disks. Supported by the Linux kernel since 2.4.8; LDM is not supported by <GRUB> (BTS #569133). . See also <lvm>.
17:56<mark250>ahh, thank you
17:57<mark250>I was afraid of that - couldn't find mention of grub support for ldm anywhere :(
17:58<mark250>guess I won't give winderz raid0 then
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18:01<oddtod>hello, I had a question about clamAV for debian could i use this to connect a windows system drive to a debian machine and scan for viruses?
18:04<lapfrog>let's see. did you google?
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18:10<bluenemo_> is it dangerous to mount a fan 2cm away from a hdd?
18:12<bluenemo_>shure? no magnetic distress or sth mjr? i just mounted one and since then my hdd looks normal. i know a lot about hdd, and my smart looks ok..
18:12<bluenemo_>aeh sorry since then my hdd is making strange things..
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18:28<Dominus>Is it possible to make an email address on your server? Like me@ip
18:28<Kristian>all mail servers should be able to do that
18:30<Kristian>that's how mail works at its core
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18:30<Kristian>heck, you can probably already do mail 'username'
18:30<Dominus>well... how do you enable it in debian?
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18:30<Dominus>It says "no mail for root" :D
18:30<Kristian>yeah, so type "mail root", enter a subject and whatever not... now root has mail
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18:30<Kristian>the username@hostname of mail was exactly that originally - the user at that hostname (or ip)
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18:35<Kristian>but due to spam and whatever not, you wont see a mail server listening for external mail by default
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18:35<Dominus>cool :D
18:35<Dominus>can you enable pop3 and such, so I can get that mail into my normal mail program?
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18:35<Kristian>yes. I don't know what the defacto standard pop server is these days... it's been 8-9 years since I set it up- back then I used popa3d
18:35<Kristian>if your machine has a static IP, it's not that hard to make it send mail directly though
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18:35<Kristian>can probably do it with non-static ip too... I just wont guarantee that the recipent mail servers will accept it - again, spam (grey-listing etc) makes it all harder
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18:35<Dominus>static ip = the same ip always?
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18:35<Kristian>on "normal" servers, you can just create a file called .forward in your home directory with an e-mail adress that all your mail will be forwarded too
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18:35<Kristian>but that only works if your server is set up to do external mail
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18:35<Kristian>again - it's not really hard to set up, but it's not something I'll pretend to cover in an IRC conversation
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18:35<Kristian>exim is (iirc) still the debian default MTA, though, if you want to read up
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18:36<The98>aguante Debian!
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18:37<Dominus>Kristian: okay, well. I'll try to do some searching about it ^^
18:37<Dominus>Kristian: Thanks for the help :
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18:41<Dominus>Ok weird thing: When I send mails to root@myserverip it'll keep saying "no mails for root"
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18:42<Kristian>take a look in /var/log/mail.* - it should indicate what's going on
18:43<Kristian>but I'm off to bed :)
18:43<Kristian>(you'll probably get those mail bounced locally)
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18:46<Dominus>Kristian: Ok, thanks :)
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18:48<Dominus>They're empty! :o
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18:49<timon>Dominus: does your maild accept connections from outside?
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18:50<timon>Dominus: I had that happening to me once while playing around ... I could send mail locally (@localhost) but not via eth1 (@eth1-ip)
18:51<Kristian>it wont listen externally unless you tell it to
18:51<Kristian>now - I'm really off! :D
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18:52<Dominus>I don't know. I have done absolutely nothing to it, other than saying mail and mail root and mail root@myip
18:52<Dominus>that's it
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18:53<Dominus>So I don't know :)
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19:10<Dominus>Anyone here who have any experience with mail or exim4?
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19:10<Dominus>or just how I can send/receive mails in general..
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19:31<Dominus>All the mails go to /var/mail/mail, and they're supposed to go to /var/mail/root
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19:37<timon>well, it's a starting point then :)
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19:37*timon just found an ancient set of Debian 3.0 installation discs
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19:44<Dominus>timon: do you know how I can make mails go to /var/mail/root instead of /var/mail/mail?? :)
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19:45<timon>Dominus: I don't *know*. I guess it could be hidden sokmewhere in your maild's config
19:45<timon>(don't ask me where to look for it. *maybe* dpkg-reconfigure maild could do the job?)
19:45<timon>I could suggest a very dirty workaround which would not do anything about the real issue
19:46<Dominus>it's not called maild :)
19:46<Dominus>I have a package called mailx
19:46<Dominus>I've already tried dpkg-reconfigure mailx
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19:46<Dominus>It just stops for 5 sec, then it'll show the normal bash $ again
19:47<timon>then have a look if there's a config in /etc/ :)
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19:48<smv>perhaps using a 'better' mta? exim does the job well for local mails
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19:49<timon>if you're up for not-solving-the-problem, do "cd /var/mail/ && mv mail root && ln -s root mail" (please, do not do this. It really does not help)
19:49<Dominus>atm i am reconfiguring exim4
19:51<Dominus>I think I made it work
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19:57<Dominus>it works fine for all other users than root
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20:00<dekde>hello, can anyone help with getting sound to work?
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20:10<smv>Dominus, edit /etc/aliases and run newaliases
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20:10<oskie>how do I find out what packages were installed from a dpkg status file?
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20:15<smv>oskie, to do exactly what you asked you can just look into the /var/lib/dpkg/status file, but is this what you really want to do?
20:15<sney>dekde: it's a list of things to try first when sound doesn't work
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20:16<dekde>i have an audigy 2zs card...standard card in linux
20:16<dekde>works in windows 7, just tested
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20:16<dekde>so, i think speakers etc. work ....headphones are functioning
20:16<dekde>? :-(
20:17<sney>what debian release are you using
20:17<dekde> 0 [Audigy2 ]: Audigy2 - SB Audigy 2 ZS [SB0350]
20:17<dekde>does that mean anything?
20:17<sney>that means it's properly detected
20:18<dekde>ok, that's good, right?
20:18<sney>run 'alsamixer' in a terminal window, adjust levels with the up down arrow keys and if something says MM at the bottom it's muted
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20:19<dekde>do i need lib32asound2 even if i am running 64-bit debian?
20:19<dekde>sney: how?
20:20<dekde>i forget how to run it... can i run it as user or does it have to be as root?
20:20<dekde>fyi: alsa is at 1.0.23 so ver. is good
20:20<timon>user should be ok
20:20<sney>as user is fine as long as you're in the 'audio' group
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20:21<sney>you only need 32-bit libs if you're running 32-bit apps, like playing games in WINE or something
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20:22<timon>running alsamixer: fire up a terminal emulator, type "alsamixer" and hit return
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20:24<dekde>only two things muted... how do i unmute?
20:24<timon>with "m"
20:25<timon>cursor left/right to switch between controls, up/down to increase/decrease volume, "m" for muting/unmuting, ESC to exit
20:26<dekde>but, i don't think any change... there were two channels muted but looked like minor controls
20:27<sney>does the command "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root?
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20:28<dekde>hold on
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20:30<rot13>howdy. i have some trouble after a power outage while it was upgrading (i am with testing so updates are frequent) the system and fsck removed some files from /var/lib/dpkg/info/ and here is the question: how can i reinstall the packages with missing info files or garbled info files so that it starts for these packages new from this upgrade onwards?
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20:33<sney>dekde: my guess is you've hit the alsa bug that I had and a few other people have as well lately
20:33<sney>so the next thing to try is to rebuild the alsa drivers
20:34<sney>install module-assistant, then do module-assistant auto-install alsa-source
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20:38<dekde>i shouldn't have to do that :-/
20:38<rot13>can dpkg restore or reinit those info files?
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20:41<sney>dekde: welcome to 'testing' - you're right, you shouldn't, but sometimes things are extra broken
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20:41<sney>thankfully module-assistant makes the rebuild easy and painless
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20:42<rot13>i'm with testing too
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20:43<dekde>unfortunately, this is a dealbreaker for me :(
20:43<sney>2 machines in the last 24 hours running squeeze amd64, both had completely normal alsa diagnostics but no sound. m-a a-i alsa-source fixed it for both.
20:43<sney>dekde: well, you can try #alsa on freenode, they may have something more specific
20:45<Arrowmaster>random guess but maybe building alsa used a newer version and it autodetected the card better than the version compiled with the kernel did
20:45<sney>yeah, that's a fair guess.
20:46<Arrowmaster>are the soundcards fairly new?
20:46<sney>it's 1.0.23 in alsa-source, no word on what's included in the kernel
20:46<sney>audigy 2 zs isn't new and neither is the intel hda that gave me the same problem
20:46<nadir>someone is running tilda on Lenny with success?
20:47<sney>Arrowmaster: but it seems to be amd64-specific, at least
20:47<Arrowmaster>so many different cards are considered 'intel hda', i had to put a module option to tell it what kinda intel hda ive got
20:48<sney>mine's an analog devices chip, detected fully by both the kernel and rebuilt alsa modules, but only worked with the rebuilt
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