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01:01<zy>hi everyone. I have a single RCS file, how do I convert it to a git repository?
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01:19<cesurasean>Hi
01:21<sney>hi
01:22<cesurasean>New velocity tablet; )
01:23<cesurasean>Hard to write lol
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01:24<cesurasean>Heh
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02:17<finger>what packages do i need to get mpeg audio decoding working?
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02:18<finger>i've been adding a bunch of mpeg decoding packages but none are apparently what i need to decode an mpeg stream on totem movie player
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02:19<jm_>try gstreamer0.10-plugins-good or gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad
02:20<jm_>there's also "ugly"
02:21<finger>'bad' apparently wants to uninstall gnome... i'll try THAT one later :-P
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02:23<jm_>ok then better just try other gstreamer packages
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02:28<finger>i just noticed that on my two debian systems, both have synaptic at the same version but one has only one tab for settings->repositories whereas the other allows you to play with keys and expanded repository options, any idea why that is? ... version 0.62.1+nmu1
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02:30<finger>one system follows backports... maybe that's why
02:30<finger>doesn't seem likely
02:30<kstar>Does anyone here use a WP8040U tablet? Would you know how to make the 1024-level pressure sensitivity that the claim accessible in Linux?
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03:02<finger>having an authentication problem: apt doesn't use the keyring from debian-multimedia.org... i manually installed the keyring, apt sees that it's installed but it won't use it and "apt-key list" doesn't show its presence
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03:03<finger>i also did apt-key add debian-multimedia-keyring.gpg after extracting it from the keyring package and it seemed to work
03:09<devil>finger: did you run apt-get update after adding the key?
03:09<finger>i think so, lemme try again...
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03:11<ARcan>hi im trying to install debian lenny but it seems to get stuck after the message "PCI: Using ACPI for IRQ routing"
03:12<devil>ARcan: besides the error you get: installing Squeeze might be a good idea
03:12<finger>devial: ok, that works, i suppose that the key went into apt after i tried manually
03:13<devil>finger: apt needs to be updated to acknowledge any changes
03:13<ARcan>devil: i went away from squeeze because it was considered unstable (?) but ive heard its close to release. is it really stable now?
03:13<devil>ARcan: release is not too far away, yes.
03:14<ARcan>devil: is the reason you suggest it because its a newer kernel so better hardware support?
03:15<devil>ARcan: that is one reason,yes. another is that it saves you a lot of download in the end. but yes, the kernel is much more current
03:15<ARcan>hrm, i guess ill try it
03:15<ARcan>thanks
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03:21<finger>so, the gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly didn't work and the gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad insists on removing gnome-desktop-environment, the good plugins and several other packages... is it just me or does this sound a little crazy?
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03:30<PiCaSo1>Hola ^
03:30<PiCaSo1>^
03:30<PiCaSo1>^^
03:30<mansi>hello friends, I am want to make my laptop a repository for debian. How can I ? I only need some specific packages in the repo.....
03:30<dekde>hi
03:30<mansi>I do not want to mirror the entore repo....any help please
03:30<devil>finger: this does not sound crazy, d-mm is not well maintained and breaks often.
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03:31<devil>mansi: look at reprepro
03:31<dekde>i have a problem with sound... any idea of how to fix? i have standard sound card.... audigy 2zs
03:31<mansi>devil: is it a package?
03:31<devil>dekde: look at alsamixer
03:31<dekde>don't know what to do... i think it uses the emu1k driver
03:31<devil>mansi: yes
03:31<dekde>devil: i did already
03:32<devil>mansi: http://www.jejik.com/articles/2006/09/setting_up_and_managing_an_apt_repository_with_reprepro/
03:32<dekde>trust me, i googled this problem and tried many things before going on here.... i'm desperate now :-(
03:32<dekde>i went to ALSA home page... the wiki... googled...
03:32<devil>dekde: do others have positive results with the audigy 2zs?
03:33<PiCaSo1>what is your os ubuntu ??
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03:33<devil>PiCaSo1: this is the debian channel.
03:33<devil>PiCaSo1: and no, not all the world uses ubuntu.
03:33<dekde>why was the option to run alsaconfig removed? that repaired my sound previously ... a time before ... but, now one can't use that method?
03:34<willemb>Hi. Can someone tell me where to look to find out what makes backports so special that you have to specify it and not just pin to it? I want to make our internal package archive work the same way.
03:34<PiCaSo1>yes thanks ^^
03:34<willemb>please
03:34<dekde>devil: yes
03:34<jm_>I don't remembe which audigy 2 I have, but it works fine
03:34<dekde>devil: it's worked for me in the past... i don't know what's wrong this time but this is a recent install of squeeze
03:34<jm_>remember*
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03:35<mansi>devil: My laptop runs on opensuse and I need to create a Lenny repo in it..Is it possible using reprepo? Or are there any alternate methods?
03:36<dekde>is this a chipset or driver? : emu10k1
03:36<devil>dekde: what does a: 'speaker-test -t wav -c 2' tell you? anything audible?
03:36<dekde>because SB0350 shows up in the mixer
03:37<dekde>devil: no sound
03:37<devil>mansi: check if there is a rpm package for suse.
03:37<devil>dekde: but?
03:37<dekde>tried a speaker test already
03:37<willemb>is that what the notautomatic flag is about?
03:37<mansi>Actually I want to mirror squid, dansguardian and all the related dependencies in my apt mirror, so that I need not depend on clients internet to download the packages
03:37<devil>dekde: if you do not get any errors, most probably something is not enabled in the mixer.
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03:38<jm_>driver name is snd-emu10k1
03:39<dekde>devil: how do i check what's enabled/disabled? command: alsamixer?
03:39<dekde>because i tried it and it looks okay... nothing obvious is disabled or turned down
03:39<dekde> no errors but there's values of 0 and 1 in the tests.... that's normal?
03:40<dekde>i don't know what else to do but re-install... but, this shouldn't be required!
03:40<devil>dekde: in alsamixer, you activate/deactivate with the m key. play with it
03:40<dekde>the only reason i would accept it is the perceived bugs in kde... disappointed with it
03:41<dekde>devil: yeah, i turned everything up or on with m
03:41<finger>wow, props to devil... you can keep it straight... BTW i figured out all the gstreamer conflict stuff, if anybody wants to know ask me
03:41<dekde>and + key
03:42<devil>well, i need breakfast.
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03:46<finger>dekde: are you on squeeze?
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03:51<finger>wanted to know if alsaconf is removed from squeeze... seems like dekde implied that it was (if he was running squeeze, that is)
03:51<devil>it is
03:52<devil>things are supposed to work automagicaly now
03:52<finger>nice, i'm looking forward to automagic
03:52<jm_>willemb: it's because those packages are for different target release
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03:52<finger>isn't that what disney has been working on all these years?
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03:55<finger>so what happens when automagic doesn't work? alsaconf might come in handy then, i'd like to think
03:57<devil>finger: if modules are present and loaded,soundcards tend to work. the most common prob nowadays with sound is deactivated channels as default.
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04:01<finger>ok then
04:05<ARcan>devil: i got the squeeze beta2 iso now, but any installer (expert, graphical, etc) just ends up on a black screen
04:05<ARcan>is there some way to get console output
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04:07<ARcan>its the business card iso
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04:27<kop>!serial console
04:27<dpkg>A serial console can be used to administrate a system or capture kernel crash/panic information. http://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/serial-console.txt . You will also want your bootloader to use the serial console. See also <netconsole>.
04:29<ARcan>thanks
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05:16<john>I'm looking for something like the ubuntu netbook remix desktop for my current debian install. is there anything similar that doesn't have half a million dependencies
05:17<john>I'm trying to google, but I keep coming up with desktop environments (gnome, kde, etc...)
05:18<john>but I'm just looking for a replacement for the program that manages the desktop
05:18<jm_>do you know which one it is?
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05:19<john>I'm not sure I understand what you're asking...
05:19<john>do I know what program I'm looking for? the answer is no
05:19<jm_>yeah that
05:20<john>just wondering if anybody knows of a project similar to the ubuntu netbook edition's desktop
05:21<sdfadsfa>minimal install + openbox
05:22<john>I did minimal install + metacity, then added programs as I needed them
05:22<john>I like the metacity wm
05:22<john>I like nautilus
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05:23<john>I just really like the way they moved the menu to the desktop in the netbook edition
05:23<sdfadsfa>this new ubuntu unity is perfect for small screens
05:23<devil>john: did you look at lxde?
05:23<devil>kde also has a network edition
05:24<devil>err, netbook
05:24<john>it's not that I have a small screen or anything. I'm on a desktop
05:24<jm_>this is a list of packages https://edge.launchpad.net/~netbook-remix-team/+archive/ppa
05:25<john>I sort of fell in love with the way the menu was moved into the desktop
05:26<john>I have maximus installed already.
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05:26<john>is clutter the desktop in UNE?
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05:28<Dominus>Would you go for lighttpd or apache2? :)
05:29<cthuluh>I use lighty. it does just work, I had no problem adapting several web apps to work with it
05:30<sdfadsfa>john, http://i.imgur.com/whW2u.png
05:30<ompaul>Dominus: I'd go for whatever the job needed, apache2 will do anything, however lighttpd is quite useful, so it is down to your use case, I would have thought given your questions of the last few days you would at least have had a spec in mind, you were messing with copying files for web stuff already and mucking about with mysql so really the question is what are you doing?
05:30<sdfadsfa>john, and you coult set autohide for this launcher
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05:33<john>that looks pretty nice, what manages the icons in the launcher?
05:33<john>or do you hand-pick them?
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05:35<Dominus>ompaul: What I'm doing really, is just messing around with a lot of stuff. Trying to get to learn it.. I was just asking what you would go for, not which one I should go for. Like: I'm running a blog, so I'm using lighttpd, or I'm running Google so I use Apache2..
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05:36<ompaul>!poll
05:36<dpkg>"Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a good question that IRC helpers can answer. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls>.
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05:40<Dominus>Okay, then I'll try a good question that IRC helpers can answer: I see that Joomla! in general have, from what I can see, serious speed problems. Does that mean you have to bend over backwards to make it run fast and smoothly instead of slowly?
05:41<ompaul>I'd ask that of the joomla community wouldn't you?
05:42<devil>from what i know, Joomla always has serious security problemss.
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05:53<john>would it be possible to add the ppa for UNE to my sources list?
05:54<john>I tried just adding - ppa:canonical-dx-team/une - to my 3rd party software sources, but it wouldn't accept it
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06:02<cahoot>good for you
06:02<cahoot>don't mix
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06:04<ompaul>john: there is advice given to people who drink alcohol, don't mix the vine and the grain, generally because it leads to serious problems (and some of the worst hangovers), consider mixing repos to tbe the same thing :)
06:04*MeglaW np. \Kraftwerk - (1978) Die Mensch-Maschine [CD,1985][V0]\06 - Die Mensch-Maschine.mp3
06:05<MeglaW>sorry, wrong channel.
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07:16<Aitor>hola
07:17<Aitor>hay alguien?
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07:22<Aitor>hola?
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08:08<swot>hello
08:10<swot>i have a question.. i have debian amd64 and graphic card Nvidia geforce 250gts.. how i can install drivers? when i try it, i cant restart, because after restart i have only login screen (X11 or something like that here cant start) and now i cant setup resolution.. :/
08:12<jm_>!nvidia
08:12<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers . If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net).
08:12<jm_>visit the wiki page and read instructions there
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08:23<swot>jm_, i ran script nvidia-versions.sh (from wiki) and it wrote to me "Uh oh. Your card is only supported by the current drivers series, which is only in Squeeze."
08:23<jm_>swot: right, so you either need to backport it or upgrade to squeeze
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08:25<swot>jm_, backport? sorry, but i dont understand it (im not english)
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08:28<jm_>!ssb
08:28<dpkg>First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add ONLY a <deb-src> line for sid to /etc/apt/sources.list 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
08:28<jm_>swot: ^^^^
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08:29<swot>jm_, hah :D
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08:31<jm_>note that it often isn't as easy as the above makes it look
08:31<swot>jm_, that is backport? http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/
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08:33<jm_>swot: yes, but I checked and there is no nvidia driver there
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08:33<swot>jm_, i must upgrate to squeeze?
08:34<jm_>swot: I recommend that path yes
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08:35<swot>that is good manual? http://www.go2linux.org/how-to-upgrade-from-debian-lenny-to-squeeze
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08:36<jm_>dpkg lenny->squeeze
08:36<dpkg>Remove volatile & backports from /etc/apt/sources.list and change lenny to squeeze. Use apt-get for the upgrade: "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` udev". Make sure you have a 2.6.32 kernel installed "aptitude search '~nlinux-image~i'" and reboot into it. "apt-get dist-upgrade". See also <testing> <testing security> <squeeze release notes>.
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08:40<swot>the code insert to terminal yes?
08:40<swot>apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` udev
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08:42<jm_>yes
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08:46<swot>hmm
08:46<swot>but i dont have 2.6.32 kernel installed
08:46<swot>aptitude search '~nlinux-image~i'
08:46<swot>i linux-image-2.6-amd64 - Obraz linuxového jádra 2.6 pro AMD64
08:46<swot>i A linux-image-2.6.26-2-amd64 - Linux 2.6.26 image on AMD64
08:46<swot>i linux-image-amd64 - Obraz linuxového jádra pro AMD64
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08:48<swot>jm_, Heh :/
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08:49<swot>jm_, http://paste.debian.net/103737/
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08:52<swot>how i can update kernel?
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08:53<luisito>ola
08:54<luisito>hay alguien
08:54<luisito>es la primera vez que entro
08:54<luisito>eeeeeee
08:55<luisito>hay6 alguien deph lo que sea contestame
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08:55<luisito>ola
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08:56<luisito>hola
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08:57<swot>jm_, hmm.. i go to windows.. :D
08:57<jm_>swot: the way apt said above
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09:17<tamarauu> utrera
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09:39<n4mu>hello, can anyone tell me what "iU" means (from dpkg) ?
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09:41<petemc>n4mu: if you mean in the output of dpkg -l , look at the top of the output, theres a legend
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09:42<n4mu>|/ Err?=(none)/Reinst-required (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
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09:42<n4mu>its not very informative
09:42<n4mu>I am aware this is bad..
09:42<petemc>do you have anything in the third column ?
09:42<n4mu>just upgraded my debian from lenny to squeeze, and now it's all "broken"
09:43<n4mu>iU akonadi-server 1.3.1-3+b1 Akonadi PIM storage service
09:43<petemc>did you follow the release notes for the upgrade?
09:43<n4mu>petemc: I was prompted to exit the upgrade because I was in KDE
09:43<n4mu>(I never have issues like this)
09:44<petemc>!tell n4mu about lenny->squeeze
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09:44<babilen>And read the release notes!
09:44<JesperCheetah>!tell JesperCheetah about lenny->squeeze
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09:45<n4mu>thanks petemc I had done more or less that (this is the 4th or 5th system that I've upgraded from lenny to squeeze).. .
09:45<babilen>!tell JesperCheetah -about selftell
09:46<n4mu>I generally do this via ssh or from a console window (outside X)
09:47<JesperCheetah>Sorry :) I wasn't even sure who was the bot so I had to just write it here
09:47<n4mu>but this time, i did not. and now I'm stuck. apt wont move because there are issues with a bunch of kde things :/
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09:56<n4mu>hmm, well 5 years with the same laptop and same OS, now finally broken during it's second dist-upgrade : [
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11:24<ballison>i'm kinda new to using apt-get. how do i tell apt-get to install a specific version of a package?
11:24<ballison>or how do i see the complete version before installing?
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11:25<ballison>for example, i need to upgrade to php5.2.16
11:25<ballison>but when i do a dpkg -L it doen't tell me the version of php5 i can install...
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11:26<sney>!pinning
11:26<dpkg>Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from <sources.list>. Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html#errata . If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system, ask me about <backports> instead. http://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences
11:26<cthuluh>ballison: apt-cache policy php
11:27<cthuluh>this has nothing to do with pinning, so far
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11:27<f0rk>apt-get install package=version ?
11:28<sney>php5 5.2.16 isn't available in apt anyway. lenny has 5.2.6 and then squeeze and backports are 5.3.3
11:29<sney>or there are no backports, but 2 sid entries (?) anyway you could probably backport it yourself
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11:32<Kristian>hmm, anyone know of a tool that can actually do what my casio (or any other graphing) calculator does? graphmonkey and kalgebra were both sort of pathetic
11:33<Kristian>ie: regression analysis, graphing, solving quadratic functions etc
11:33<maxzoel>octave!!
11:34<Kristian>thanks, I'm checking it out :)
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11:34<ballison>cthuluh: I've got a ticket that they need php version 5.2.16 installed on these hosts. how do i do that if 5.2.6 is the only version that "apt-cache policy php5" is returning ?
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11:36<cthuluh>ballison: perhaps should you give a try to http://www.dotdeb.org/
11:36<cthuluh>(I never did)
11:36<kop>Kristian: r (r-project.org)
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11:37<Kristian>kop: thanks, I'll check too :) though I suppose I should've googled before I asked here... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_statistical_packages gave some good examples
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11:37<Kristian>I was sort of caught off guard when apt-cache search proved so unhelpful in this quest
11:37<babilen>ballison: you have to install it from upstream (to /usr/local -- /msg dpkg stow) -- Why do you (they) need that specific version?
11:38<kop>Kristian: Use debtags (with or without aptitude)
11:38<kop>Kristian: R is great, but impossible to google.
11:39<petemc>first hit for r here
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11:39<kop>petemc: Last I tried it took me an hour to find it.
11:39<petemc>0.11 seconds here
11:39<babilen>kop: yeah ... i much prefer software/programming languages to be named "beugelstra" or "xylophentics" than "R" or "C"
11:39<Kristian>well, it took me about 30 seconds to find it when I googled for "regression" ;)
11:40<Kristian>babilen: hehe, I was gonna say: as a C programmer, it wont be anything new :)
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11:40<Kristian>but both R and octave seem like more of a framework/language though
11:40<kop>petemc: You're 545.4545...% smarter than me then! :)
11:40<petemc>:)
11:41<ballison>babilen: It's the version of php5 that the developers built against.
11:41<Kristian>I was just gonna make some funny graphs to compare "hifi shop" prices for TOS-link cables with "computer/web shop" prices, hehe
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11:41<Kristian>(well, I already did, but on my casio calculator)
11:41<kop>Kristian: OOo calc, etc.
11:41<ballison>babilen: and aparently nesus is not liking php5.2.13
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11:41<Kristian>regression tests are central, kop
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11:41<petemc>Kristian: you can get optical cables in 'pound stores' in the uk
11:42<kop>Kristian: People do awful things with spreadsheets.
11:42<Kristian>petemc: I know, I just got my 20-meter cable today
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11:43<Kristian>kop: I'll rather spend the next week learning R or whatever language than touch OOo for this kind of task ;)
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11:44<babilen>ballison: I guess that either means that the developers should develop against e.g. PHP 5.2/5.3 (and not specific maintenance releases) if possible with PHP (it would be a shame for PHP if not) -- or you have to install the specific version locally
11:44<kop>Kristian: littler?
11:44<ballison>babilen: does dpkg support this or am i gonna have to manually compile and install the version they are requesting?
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11:44<cthuluh>babilen: I don't think that ballison has control over that.
11:44<Kristian>kop: hmm, I think I'll have to learn R indeed :)
11:45<cthuluh>ballison: you were given a link recently, weren't you?
11:45<Kristian>thanks for the tip - again
11:45<ballison>cthuluh: link?
11:45<babilen>ballison: You'll have to compile it manually IMHO. I would ask dpkg about "stow" (/msg dpkg stow) to ease administrating local installations in /usr/local
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11:46<cthuluh>17:36 < cthuluh> ballison: perhaps should you give a try to http://www.dotdeb.org/
11:46<ballison>babilen: I just installed stow a couple second ago.
11:46<ballison>cthuluh: thanks.
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11:47<babilen>ballison: But don't come here to complain about the package quality of dotdeb -- But still: If you need such a specific version of PHP (I am soo happy that I am not a PHP developer!!) it is a much better idea to install the exact version from upstream sources.
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11:50<ballison>babilen: I'm pulling the source for 5.2.16 right now. (( wish there was a .deb ))
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11:52<babilen>ballison: Trust me -- it is a much better idea to manage such specific demands outside the packaging system than relying on a third party to do what you want. I mean, I am not sure how dotdeb works and if they indeed provide packages for all releases of PHP (how minor they might be) and even provide security updates for all of them. I would therefore rely on upstream to do the right thing ...
11:53<kop>!make your own .deb
11:53<dpkg>Make your own .deb from source by reading "man 5 deb-control", compiling and installing into a temporary location (mkdir -p /tmp/mypackage; ./configure --prefix=/tmp/mypackage), using "dpkg -b /tmp/mypackage" to make a .deb, and using <gdebi> to install your new package. Use ldd to play it safe and add dependencies to your control file.
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11:54<babilen>kop: What are the advantages of that?
11:54<babilen>!equivs
11:54<dpkg>equivs is a package that enables you to create dummy packages that tell <apt> you really have installed (through some other means) the package. aptitude install equivs, and read /usr/share/doc/equivs/*, see also <usrlocal>. A better plan is often to adapt the Debian packages to your needs, ask me about <package recompile> <uupdate> <ssb>.
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11:54<babilen>You might want to consider that ^^^ if you just want one PHP version on the system (official/debian supported + locally installed)
11:55<babilen>err -- (and not official/debian .... )
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11:56<ballison>babilen: unfortunately they do not provide php version. They say that on the website. :(
11:56<babilen>ok
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12:24<n4mu>petemc: and etc, fyi i managed to pick up the pieces (upgrade still in progress).. had to manually download some packages and configure others etc etc.. seems to be working
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12:46<hamush>hi, i'm trying to create a filesystem loop on a fat32 device... i'd like the max fat32 file size for my loop device, (2^30)-1 bytes, i think... is there another way besides dd to do this? my understanding is that the only way dd could create a file of such a size is if its blocksize was 1, which is super slow on the usb flash device i'm writing the file to... any other tool suggestions i might not know about?
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12:46<hamush>in other words, any tools besides dd out there to create an arbitrary zero filled file of a certain size?
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12:48<bluenemo>can i configure my debian two use two mice and two keyboards? it then shall accept inputs from both..
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12:50<hamush>bluenemo: like a multiseat setup? i've seen guides for some very cool setups... there are a lot of options out there for multiseat
12:50<bluenemo>hamush, there is a tool but i dont get the name right now.. all it does is set a start point and an end point, without writing stuff into the middle.. i'm quite shure its part of base tools..
12:50<ballison>cthulu: when i used dotdeb.org to install php verion 5.2.16 it ran and then when i looked it installed nothing
12:50<bluenemo>ah its called multiseat cool ok i'll google for that thank you :)
12:50<ballison>cthulu: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=VZHTeQZA
12:52<retrospectacus>ballison: the command is just php not php5
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12:53<ballison>retrospectacus: and it's not there
12:53<ballison>notice the dpkg -L php5 shows nothing installed
12:53<retrospectacus>what are you trying to do?
12:54<retrospectacus>you need the php5-cli package to use it on the command line, or libabpache2-mod-php5 for apache
12:54<retrospectacus>[sp]
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12:57<bluenemo>hamush, i asked in forensics channel, the said u should use a hex editor :) but thats quite a lot to do.. :)
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13:04<bluenemo>hamush, look here http://stackoverflow.com/questions/257844/quickly-create-a-large-file-on-a-linux-system
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13:07<hamush>bluenemo: awesome, thanks for a link!
13:07<bluenemo>hamush, np
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13:09<bluenemo>hamush, if you get this to work please tell me.. i dont find it in apt so far.. am i stupid and this is a system call but a tool??
13:10<bluenemo>hamush, i think mkfile is for solaris or sth.. http://omgili.com/mailinglist/debian-user/lists/debian/org/470BDB5D3040003gmailcom.html
13:10<hamush>yeah, it looks like its a tool... after poking around, i think it creates sparse files similar to using the seek option with dd
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13:13<bluenemo>hamush, from what i've read it just allocates, not writes sth like dd (which would make things faster of course). there must be sth. some download tools also allocate the whole file before the download finishs.. so far i only find solaris stuff for mkfile..
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13:21<XayOn>!es
13:21<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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13:21<XayOn>!es
13:22<XayOn>Sorry, I was in a yesterday message =P
13:22<hamush>bluenemo: i believe those allocated but not written files are called sparse files... it looks like dd can write sparse files, too, if the seek option is supplied, but you have to make sure all those counts are right, too... but my understanding is that neither will work on fat32, because it doesn't support sparse files, but for filesystems that do, either should work
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13:24<bluenemo>hamush, can you send me the dd options you used please?
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13:25<hamush>bluenemo: i am using this to create a 4gig-512bytes file: dd if=/dev/zero of=squeeze.e2fs count=1 seek=$(((2**21*4)-2))
13:26<bluenemo>hamush, cool thank you. i'll play a little with that :)
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13:26<hamush>no prob :)
13:28<hamush>bluenemo: default blocksize=512, count=1 (1 512 block written) seek= (2^21) [1 gig divided by 512 bytes] *4 [4 gig] -2 [don't seek past last 2 blocks of that 4gig]
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13:29<bluenemo>hamush, you may want to join #digital-forensics on freenode, i brought your topic there
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13:30<bluenemo>sorry #digital-forensics without s
13:30<bluenemo>argh, #digital-forensic
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13:59<ComradeHaz`>Evening all. Is there anyone here who is familliar with mythtv under debian?
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14:19<axe_>thanks to the developersand programmers for making debian - it runs great (:
14:20<axe_>+ " "
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14:24<bluenemo>can i tell nmap not to try localhost (or the ip localhost is owning at the moment) here: nmap -sP 192.168.1.*
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14:28<loool>salut
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14:30<loool>helllo
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14:31<axe_>@ bluenemo : reading the manual page or docs from nmap should tell you everything you need to know
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14:31<bluenemo>axe_ i already found out, but thank you
14:31<loool>hello
14:31<axe_>okay (:
14:31<retrospectacus>!tell loool -about ask
14:31<axe_>hello loool
14:32<loool>hello
14:32<loool>how are you???
14:32<loool>axe
14:32<bran>-about ask
14:32<axe_>i am fine - thanks
14:33<loool>yourwelcome
14:33<loool>this my first time
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14:33<axe_>on this channel you mean ?
14:33<loool>im connecting in de mirc
14:34<loool>IRC
14:34<axe_>oh hehe
14:34<axe_>then have fun
14:34<jordanm>!Mirc
14:34<dpkg>i heard mirc is http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/mirc/exploit.html, or sucks festering dog balls
14:34<ompaul> s/or/and/g
14:35<loool>what dpkg
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14:35<loool>ss in private
14:35<loool>who to pass in private
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14:36<jordanm>loool: do you have a debian support question?
14:36<loool>no
14:36<axe_>but loool , arnt we here in debian ? and isnt mirc windows ? (;
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14:36<loool>yes i now
14:36<loool>what it is
14:37<ompaul>!debian
14:37<dpkg>somebody said debian was http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents
14:38<loool>you now how to crack wifi
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14:38<Motorin>loool, i love you, never ever change
14:38<axe_>nobody knows loool - it is a secret :-D
14:38<bran>loool: why bother use your own or a free one
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14:39<loool>ok
14:39<loool>thank a lot of
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14:40<bran>has anyone tried the xserver packages from experimental?
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14:40<jordanm>,versions xserver-xorg
14:40<judd>Package xserver-xorg on i386 -- etch: 1:7.1.0-19; lenny: 1:7.3+20; sid: 1:7.5+8; squeeze: 1:7.5+8; experimental: 1:7.6~2
14:40<jordanm>bran: yes
14:41<jordanm>!tell bran about anyone
14:41<bran>jordanm: any trouble with kde apps?
14:41<jordanm>bran: why would it?
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14:42<bran>jordanm: I have had trouble all kde apps crashed. gnome was fine
14:43<bran>jordanm: i have just downgraded to sid an that seems to work. I was just wondering if anyone else had my problems
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14:43<bran>xserver is running the ati free driver with an X700 card
14:44<jordanm>bran: bugs.debian.org would be the place to check for other users experiencing problems
14:44<bran>jordanm: OK, sorry if i was bothering you :)
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14:45<jordanm>bran: not bothering me. just asking IRC is not an effective way of finding people with similar issues or getting the fixed
14:45<jordanm>the users mailing list perhaps, but ideally, the bug tracker
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14:47<bran>jordanm: OK, I understand that.
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14:53<Silicium01>Hey guys, how can I edit a large file in chunks?
14:53<Silicium01>I have a 1 GB text file that I need to edit, and no way nano, gedit will load it ...
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14:54<jordanm>Silicium01: you could split the file with split(1) then reassemble with cat
14:54*jordanm guess 1G text file is a database dump
14:54*Silicium01 confirms jordanm's guess
14:54<Silicium01>jordanm, is that the most common way of doing it/
14:54<Silicium01>?
14:55<bran>Silicium0: is sed an option
14:55<babilen>Silicium01: You can use vim -- http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=1506 -- I would also recommend using sed or awk
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14:55<jordanm>Silicium01: I can't think of another way for an interactive edit
14:55<Silicium01>bran, what's that?
14:55<babilen>Silicium01: What would you like to do?
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14:55<axe_>with enough RAM maybe you could edit it :)
14:55<jordanm>Silicium01: its a stream editor
14:55<Silicium01>babilen, I would like to remove table definition from my mysql dump file
14:56<bran>Silicium0: sed is the stream editor can walk through the file a replace what you need to change
14:56<babilen>Silicium01: A line-based stream editor -- http://www.gnu.org/software/sed/
14:56<jordanm>all *nix admins should atleast know *some* sed
14:56<babilen>Silicium01: Aren't they mostly just at the beginning of the dump?
14:56<jordanm>even if you don't write it, you will see it often
14:56<Silicium01>babilen, yes, they are
14:57*jordanm is also going to guess this shoddy dump came from phpmyadmin
14:57<flaggy>you can edit with ed, for edit is the standard unix editor!
14:57<jordanm>I have to hand edit those crappy dumps all the time for users
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14:58<Silicium01>jordanm, no not using phpmyadmin
14:58<babilen>Silicium01: You could then use a combination of "tail" and i/o redirection ... or use sed to remove the first n lines ..
14:58<Silicium01>babilen, I need to see what I'm removing, I dont know how many lines the table definition is
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14:58<Silicium01>so sed reads and edits files in chuncks?
14:59<ezetreal>hi all. trying to install debian on a vaio netbook, it won't find my ethernet adapter which is attached via an hdmi plug... any help is appreciated
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14:59<babilen>Silicium01: Just use vim+largefile plugin then
15:00<flaggy>you can use head to see
15:00<ezetreal>is there a way to lspci or lshdmi or smthg to know which driver to use during installation
15:00<ezetreal>?
15:00<flaggy>then sed to edit
15:00<bran>Silicium0: not sed edits the file as it passes. it is a stream editor.
15:01<babilen>Silicium01: But can't you just use head -n N until you arrive at the end of table definitions, then use wc -l to count lines and tail -n + i/o redirect to get it into a new file
15:01<flaggy>that is, if what you want is in the top of the file
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15:01<axe_>@ ezetreal : maybe get a live Linux , put it on USB stick and give it a try
15:01<babilen>Silicium01: You can delete the first N lines with sed as well -- But I guess you want an editor that can hande large files. vim ftw!
15:01<axe_>Debian Live maybe
15:02<Silicium01>babilen, I just need to remove specific number of lines I guess
15:02<Silicium01>Dont really need an editor that edits large files, although it would be ncie to have such a feature in gedit for example
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15:02<ezetreal>axe_: thx
15:02<axe_>:)
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15:03<bran>Silicium0: head -n 100 <filename> gives the first 100 lines
15:04<babilen>Silicium01: "awk '(NR>N)' inputfile" -- replace N with numbers you don't want
15:04<bran>bablien: ftw? what does that stand for?
15:04<babilen>bran: for the win
15:05<babilen>bran: And try "bab<TAB>" in here ;)
15:05<bran>bablien: i understand teh english. Not the reference.
15:05<axe_>http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/current-live/i386/usb-hdd/
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15:05<bran>babilen: That is a great tip! thanks
15:06<axe_>the *.img files are for the USB stick
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15:06<babilen>Silicium01: Or: sed -n -e 'pN,$' inputfile -- as before replace N with the number of lines you want to delete. Just use "head -n N inputfile" until you reach the content you want to keep. Or just install vim+largefile script and edit already :)
15:06<axe_>cat *.img > /dev/usbstick -- thats all
15:06<Silicium01>I remember how happy I was when I first learned about TAB trick :)
15:07<Silicium01>babilen, so: "awk '(NR>100)' inputfile" will replace inputfile with content of inputfile starting frm line 100?
15:07<babilen>bran: You are most welcome. It works with filenames as well (at least in irssi) -- makes typing things like /etc/apt/sources.list (/e<TAB>/a<TAB>/s<TAB>) much easier
15:08<bran>babilen: That is an understatement.
15:08<babilen>Silicium01: No, it will print the all lines after the first 100 - you can redirect that to a different file
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15:08<Silicium01>babilen, got it
15:08<bran>babilen: I've been using linux sing 1990's but I'm new to irc.
15:09<axe_>(:
15:09<axe_>irc is still old school but the best chat ever or not ? :D
15:10<babilen>Silicium01: Err, the sed line was wrong, sorry. it has to be: sed -n -e 'N,$p'
15:10<bran>babilen: Good that you caught that error, i missed it completely
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15:12<Silicium01>thanks a lot everyone for help
15:12<Silicium01>babilen, thanks
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15:13<babilen>Silicium01: Or use: sed -e "1,Nd" inputfile > newfile (or whatever -- read a sed tutorial / join #sed)
15:13<babilen>Silicium01: you are welcome -- have fun
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15:15<babilen>Silicium01: Pass the "-i" to sed if you want to edit in place e.g.: sed -i -e "1,Nd" inputfile -- to delete the first N lines from inputfile in place (without writing the resulting file to stdout and without the need to redirect it to a new file)
15:16*babilen stops now
15:16<Silicium01>babilen, I chose to use awk line you suggested
15:16<axe_>exit
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15:17<modaj>czekaj
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15:19<bran>babilen, Silicium01: I remember at the office where the unix guru helped the newbie to edit 1000 program source files that needed replacing. Variable naming convention changed. The guru used sed. The newbie called the tool primitive. Needless to say the gure was _not_ amused.
15:20<babilen>Silicium01: http://oreilly.com/catalog/9781565922259 ;)
15:20<babilen>bran: hahaha
15:20<babilen>bran: And then the newbie was enlightened
15:21<Silicium01>crap. now there's stuff in the end that needs to be deleted
15:21<babilen>Silicium01: *sigh*
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15:21<babilen>Silicium01: http://sed.sourceforge.net/sed1line.txt
15:22<Silicium01>I'll go hit sed man pages I guess
15:22<bran>babilen: guru said "primitive! primitive? I just helped you edit 1000 files in 10 seconds and you call that primitive? The disbelief on the guru's face was a treasure to see, as was the blush on the newbie's
15:22<babilen>yeah
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15:23<bran>Silicium01: tail -n 100 gives you the last 100 lines.
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15:25<ompaul>Silicium01: do this to quantify the data wc -l foo where foo is your file
15:26<ompaul>that is a lower case L but I guess you know that
15:26<bran>Silicium01: wc -l gives you a line count.
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15:28<bran>babilen: sed1line, nice link!
15:28<Silicium01>thanks guys
15:28<Silicium01>nice one babilen
15:28<Silicium01>brb
15:28<babilen>np -- have fun! :)
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15:30<Dominus>Which PHP5 packages are the ones required for general PHP usage?
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15:30<bran>Dominus: define general
15:30<Dominus>I've installed php5, php5-cli and php5-common. But my php scripts get downloaded instead of executed
15:31<Dominus>Well. Just PHP usage. So that my files won't get downloaded, but will get executed.
15:31<bran>Dominus: heve you installed the php module for your webserver?
15:31<Dominus>What is the module called?
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15:32<bran>Dominus: that would possible depend on your webserver
15:32<Dominus>I use apache2
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15:33<Dominus>I have the "libapache2-mod-php5" package installed.
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15:34<rik_>Dominus: try running 'a2enmod php' or 'a2enmod php5' and then an invoke-rc.d apache2 restart
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15:34<bran>Dominus: have you bounces apache after the install.
15:34<Dominus>.__.
15:35<Dominus>I will soon slap myself
15:35<Dominus>I restarted apache and it worked -.-'
15:35<bran>Dominus: wha rik_ said
15:35<bran>Dominus: glad to be of service
15:35<Dominus>Yes, thank you, bran and rik_ :)
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15:36<Dominus>I'm very grateful to you for all your help. I don't know why I didn't think of restarting apache -.-
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15:37<bran>Dominus: that's OK. I mis out on that too sometimes
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15:37<Dominus>Hehe, it's too easy to miss out on. It should say "REMEMBER to restart Apache" :D
15:38<Dominus>But now I've installed phpmyadmin, and it says "cannot load the mcrypt extension"
15:38<Dominus>I have installed the php5-mysql andphp5-mcrypt
15:39<rik_>Dominus: is it listed in a <?php phpinfo(); ?> page ?
15:39<Dominus>no sorry, the mysql extension*
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15:39<bran>Dominus: I have had hours of why does this not work. And, then I try a restart of the webserver, and it works. Those are the moment I want to hit my head on the table. Possibly i blush hard enought to read by in a dark room. Not a problem ;)
15:39<Dominus>omg. again, apache restart helped
15:40<Dominus>bran: haha okay, great! then it's not just me! :D
15:40<Dominus>I was getting worried that I was the only one having that problem :)
15:40<bran>Dominus: of course not! Or, are you not human?
15:40<Dominus>Yeah, last time I checked, I was ;)
15:41<bran>Dominus: Good! Keep it that way then.
15:41<Dominus>I will try to :)
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15:46<Dominus>Does anyone know why every time i load http://localhost/phpmyadmin/ it will load this text: "�Y<}L��b" in the user field?
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15:47<bran>Dominus: sounds like a utf8 or codepage problem
15:47<retrospectacus>what browser Dominus?
15:47<Dominus>hmm. how do I fix such a problem?
15:47<bran>Dominus: possible a language suport pack?
15:47<devil>Dominus: is your server out in the wild, on the net?
15:47<Dominus>retrospectacus: Safari
15:47<Dominus>devil: Yesh
15:48<devil>Dominus: judging from the stuff you ask since days, you will be hacked. if not today, then tomorrow.
15:48<Dominus>bran: a language support pack for phpmyadmin?
15:48<Dominus>devil: how come? :D
15:49<Dominus>devil: because I'm such a noob?
15:49<devil>Dominus: because you have a server on the net without having a clue.
15:49<devil>Dominus: run a server in ysour lan and learn, then put it in the wild.
15:49<babilen>A L��b you are
15:49<devil>Dominus: and its not funny, sorry.
15:49<bran>Dominus: possibly the browser uses codpage X and the server serves out utf8, or some other thing, and support is not installed. Vice versa could alse be the case
15:49<Dominus>babilen: what?
15:50<babilen>Dominus: disregard that
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15:51<Dominus>devil: I am doing it "in the wild" as you refer to it as, because I don't wish to do it on my local machine, due to not having enough space + I want to learn linux to know.
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15:51<bran>Dominus: fix the problem ensure the server had utf8 support codepage whatever, and the make sure you client supports both.
15:52<ComradeHaz`>Hi all. Is there a way to see what repository a package came from?
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15:52<devil>Dominus: you will do what you want. i had the urge to tell you what i did.
15:52<ompaul>Dominus: let me suggest something to you: http://www.phpmyadmin.net/home_page/security/ before you expose something to the internet you should check it out online for security. You were messing with mysql yesterday or the day before, but look you want to learn, do one thing, do it well. move on to the next.
15:53<ompaul>Dominus: if your machine is hijacked you are the person with the problem and the second problem following on from that, as it joins a botnet and scams people becomes a spammer and spreads malware
15:54<f0rk>ComradeHaz`: apt-cache policy <pkgname>
15:56<Dominus>ompaul: I guess your right. But I only install stuff which I know what is, not just a lot of crap, I don't configure stuff without knowing what to do, and I keep asking in here to make sure I do stuff right.. So I kinda thought I didn't let any security holes stay open.
15:57<bran>babilen: what does your client show for L��b mine has L??b
15:57<ComradeHaz`>thanks f0rk.
15:57<retrospectacus>ComradeHaz`: f0rk:
15:57<retrospectacus>!which repo
15:57<dpkg>To see what repository a package may have come from, try http://svn.noreply.org/svn/weaselutils/trunk/apt-listrepository , or use dpkg -l | awk '/^.i/ {print $2}' | xargs apt-cache policy | awk '/^[a-z0-9.\-]+:/ {pkg=$1}; /\*\*\*/ {OFS="\t"; ver=$2; getline; print pkg,ver,$2,$3}', or ask me about <obsolete>, or http://people.debian.org/~dannf/apt-inventory, or <bdo list>, or <dmm list>
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15:58<ompaul>Dominus: I'm not saying you are currently open to abuse, but historically phpmyadmin is something that should be behind a firewall.
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15:58<f0rk>Dominus: our phoneserver was hacked into because phpmyadmin was not behind a firewall
15:58<Dominus>Hmm..
15:58<ompaul>f0rk: ouch
15:58<bran>Dominus: I hope you are using phpmyadmin using a verified ssl (https) connection
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15:59<bran>Dominus: and that that is the only access possibly from a specific ip address only
16:00<babilen>bran: I see two boxes
16:00<ompaul>Dominus: because as devil said, if you are not hacked today, tomorrow or next week it is going to happen.
16:00<bran>babilen: yeah that's what i get but my boxes contain ? marks
16:00<Dominus>Well. Now I see.
16:01<babilen>bran: Hence my association with "oo" and "noob" -- failed attempt to make a (bad) joke
16:01<Dominus>So I need to find out how to put phpmyadmin behind a firewall...
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16:01<babilen>offtopic anyway
16:01<ompaul>Dominus: wrong, you need to turn it off first. Then you can fix it.
16:01<babilen>I am off to the pub, have fun tonight and keep on rocking!
16:01<bran>babilen: That joke I got I just wanted to know if that was what you meant
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16:01<bran>babilen: HAve fun
16:02<devil>babilen: dont drink and root ;)
16:02<Dominus>ompaul: Yes, but I still need to find out how to put phpmyadmin behind a firewall
16:02<ompaul>Dominus: second thing, first turn off apache2
16:02<Dominus>done
16:03<ompaul>Dominus: next up, go read how to put ssl into your apache2
16:03<ompaul>Dominus: on debian
16:03<Dominus>Umm.. SSL certificates, don't they cost money?
16:03<devil>nope
16:03<ompaul>Dominus: no...
16:03<Dominus>Okay, fine.
16:04<ompaul>Dominus: /msg dpkg ssl
16:04<ompaul>Dominus: if you want to you can pay a lot of money, or you can write your own :)
16:04<Dominus>Well, I'll go for option #2 then
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16:06<bran>Dominus: I would install SSH with known host. public private key access. When that is done you can use SSH a tunnel into the machine that allows you to access phpmyadmin i.e. localhost only
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16:07<bran>Dominus: What I mean is. Maek sure that you are the onlyone who has access to the machine first. That install toys like apache php or mysql.
16:07<devil>yeah, ssh needs to be secured anyways, that will be hammered day and night, 24/7/365
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16:11<bran>Dominus: So, read up on openssl. make sure your access is secure. Only after you have done that should you start experimenting with a lamp (linux, apache, mysl, php) system.
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16:13<bran>Dominus: oops als openssh
16:14<ComradeHaz`>Hi all. Would there happen to be anyone around who can suggest where to start on the issue of an optical audio output not working (not even glowing)? I am pretty confident the device is on in BIOS
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16:15<bran>ComradeHaz`: you would need to know what device you are using. Yes, type chipset etc. and that install the drivers for that device.
16:16<ComradeHaz`>Yeeps. OK.
16:16<ComradeHaz`>Not even sure what mother board it is at the moment!
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16:17<bran>ComradeHaz`: lspci should give you a list of devices attached to the pci an pcie bus. whith that you should be able to identify your audio devices
16:17<ComradeHaz`>Is there a way to find out what chipset without finding out what mobo it is?
16:17<ComradeHaz`>Ah.
16:18<ComradeHaz`>Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 02)
16:18<ComradeHaz`>I guess that's the thing in question
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16:19<bran>ComradeHaz`: that means you you need to install the intel HD drivers.
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16:20<bran>ComradeHaz`: I do not have that chipset myself and no digital out. so I cannot say what my alsa driver install would need.
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16:20<bran>ComradeHaz`: maybe others here would know. reactions anyone
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16:21<ComradeHaz`>So, there'll be a package I need to install?
16:21<kop>ComradeHaz`: The bot knows, or some bot. I think judd. What does lspci -nn say about the pciid I think that's what you give judd. (Possibly)
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16:22<kriskelv>hi. has encrypted dvd playback been broken for anybody else recently? (squeeze, with libdvdcss2 from multimedia repos, for arbitrary players/dvds)
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16:23<ComradeHaz`>kriskelv: broken in what way/
16:23<Dominus>Hmm. I've followed the guide in README.Debian.gz in /usr/share/doc/apache2 . But it's like it unfinished or something :/
16:23<ComradeHaz`>kop: how do I establish pciid?
16:24<bran>ComradeHaz`: I use alsa drivers for my chipset and I compile them from source. I also use jackd as my sound server and pulse audio for multiplexing. I cannot directly help you. I'm sorry if that dissappoints you. I'm not experienced with your chipset.
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16:25<ComradeHaz`>bran: not at all, thanks for your help thus far. I would have thanked you shortly -I'm still playing about based on advice you've already given me.
16:25<kriskelv>ComradeHaz: according to text output, libdvdcss2 finds the correct keys, but video is corrupted as when trying playback without css decryption, mplayer/vlc shows tons of decoding errors
16:25<ComradeHaz`>Corrupted in what manner, kriskelv?
16:25<ComradeHaz`>Sqashed left and funny colour?
16:26<ompaul>Dominus: if only there was a way to search the internet ;-)
16:26<ompaul>Dominus: you really need to know this stuff yourself and get it right
16:26<ComradeHaz`>ompaul: what, like lmgtfy.com?
16:26<ComradeHaz`>:P
16:26<bran>Dominus: make sure you have secure ssh access first. i.e only accept public private keys. Only after you have secure access try other software. I understand that the temptation to do otherwise is strong. Do not give in. In other words, "Just because I'm paranoid, does not mean that they are not out to get me."
16:27<Dominus>ompaul: Yeah, I know.. I'll try searching more.. I had done some searching for it before you said that about searching the internet! :)
16:27<kriskelv>ComradeHaz: the video decoder reads corrupted data and complains broken/damaged mpeg2 frames etc.
16:27<Dominus>ompaul: and I have made it work. https://myip/ works..
16:27<Dominus>But it says forbidden when I go to https://myip/phpmyadmin
16:27<Dominus>So I'm getting there..
16:27<kriskelv>this is only for dvd playback, so i thought i had narrowed it down to css decryption not working
16:27<ompaul>Dominus: and you have "ssh-keygen" for your own logons to the box?
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16:27<ComradeHaz`>Hmm, kriskelv, not the issue I thought it might be then, I'm afraid
16:28<Dominus>ompaul: it is using a keygen when logging in.
16:28<bran>Dominus: what ompaul said. secure your access first!
16:28<ompaul>Dominus: for your ssh, not ssl
16:28<ompaul>then you can do your ssl
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16:29<ompaul>Dominus: put these words in the right order, cart and horse, and which comes first , ssh-keygen from your box to the server
16:29<Dominus>The authenticity of host '62.75.155.106 (62.75.155.106)' can't be established. RSA key fingerprint is bla bla"
16:29<Dominus>Is that the keygen?
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16:30<ompaul>no that is not
16:30<Dominus>-.-
16:30<ompaul> that is you using ssh to log onto a box
16:30<Dominus>yes. well.....
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16:31<ompaul>Dominus: turn off apache please and then I'll take four minutes to give you a quick howto on generating keys and logging onto your box
16:31<Dominus>I have turned apache off
16:31<bran>Dominus: The first time you connect with ssh it wil ask this. if you trust it say yes. Then secure it immediately
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16:31<Dominus>ompaul: ok. thanks
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16:33<bran>ompaul: are you giving the howto in public space?
16:33<ompaul>ssh-keygen -t rsa it then says name a file then add in a password (this should not be your password for either box) then you enter it again ... this creates a couple of files in /home/user/.ssh/ one of which is called a public key id_rsa.pub this key
16:33<ompaul>bran: ?
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16:34<ompaul>bran: is there a "classroom" or should I use -ot? or should we let everyone check my work so that if I make a mistake it gets caught :)
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16:34<bran>ompaul: The answer to my question is yes. I just saw your instructions come. I know how to do this I was just wondering if you were giving insructions online.
16:35<bran>ompaul: let everyone check in my opinion
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16:35<Dominus>ompaul: I created a key, yes.
16:36<ompaul>Dominus: with a password?
16:36<Dominus>yes
16:36<Dominus>what is the -t?
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16:36<Dominus>Oh. Type
16:36<Dominus>I see
16:36<ompaul>Dominus: you can choose a couple of different types, my personal prefernce is to create rsa you can also have dsa
16:36<kriskelv>here's some example mplayer output: http://pastebin.com/hAn6Vcpv
16:37<Dominus>ompaul: okay. go on :)
16:37<ompaul>Dominus: so scp -C .ssh/id_rsa.pub myuser@farmachine.com:.ssh/.
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16:37<bran>Dominus: i use DSA myself. both work
16:37<ompaul>thje so is not in the command
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16:37<Dominus>ompaul: should I make the key on my local machine?
16:37<ompaul>Dominus: yes
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16:38<mjr>mostly the difference is that DSA is capped to 1024 bits, if you're more paranoid than that, RSA it is...
16:38<Dominus>...
16:38<Dominus>ompaul: hold on then..
16:38<mjr>and these days no reason not to use RSA, since it's free too
16:38<ompaul>Dominus: this is so you log into you box securely
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16:38<ompaul>free as in freedom
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16:38<mjr>yes
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16:39<Dominus>:P
16:39<mjr>(and obviously there's a technical difference aside from what I said, but that's the practical upshot)
16:39<ompaul>Dominus: you usually stick your tounge out at people who help you?
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16:39<Dominus>ompaul: No? What :o Have I stuck my tongue at you? :(
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16:40<ompaul>[21:39:01] <Dominus> :P
16:40<Dominus>Oh. never mind that smiley. It was a "hehe" smiley for [22.38] <ompaul> free as in freedom
16:41<Dominus>Not a disrespectful smiley. I'm very sorry if you thought of it that way. I am really really grateful to you that you want to take time to help me :)
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16:41<ompaul>anyway, Dominus you do that create that "public key" you place that key using scp on the box you want to log into, in the .ssh directory (misnamed folder by some people) of the normal everyday user on that box
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16:42<ompaul>Dominus: made your key on the local machine (the one in front of you yet?
16:42<kriskelv>well, i'll verify this with another debian pc tomorrow ... maybe the blasted dvd drive is broken (data dvd's work though)
16:42<Dominus>ompaul: Yes, I have made the key. I am about to scp it to my box
16:43<ompaul>great
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16:45<Dominus>done
16:45<Dominus>It's on my box
16:45<ompaul>so now ssh -C myuser@far-machine.come
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16:47<ompaul>Dominus: what was the result?
16:47<Dominus>Well, I logged in
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16:47<ompaul>and what was different about it?
16:47<Dominus>But I can still log in using the normal ssh user@far-machine.com
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16:47<Dominus>ompaul: hmm
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16:48<bran>Dominus, ompaul: disable no ky based access on the machine
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16:49<ompaul>bran: it should have asked for the passwd from the key
16:49<bran>Dominus, ompaul: do not forget to bounce ssh server
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16:49<bran>ompaul: I stand corrected. I missed that
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16:49<Dominus>ompaul: on my box, the file is in .ssh/id_rsa.pub
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16:49<Dominus>is that correct?
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16:50<ompaul>Dominus: I asked you what was different, you have not answered
16:50<Dominus>ompaul: nothing
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16:50<ompaul>Dominus: sorry, I left out a step you are are logged into the far machine ?
16:51<bran>ompaul: should key net be sent to authorised_keys?
16:51<bran>ompaul: should key n0t be sent to authorised_keys?
16:51<retrospectacus>it's authorized_keys with a z
16:51<Dominus>ompaul: Yes, I am
16:51<ompaul>bran: exactly if he is logged in I'll get him to move it to that
16:52<ompaul>Dominus: cd .ssh
16:52<Dominus>done
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16:52<ompaul>mv id_rsa.pub authorized_keys
16:52<bran>ompaul: OK, retrospectacus: that was a type sorry.
16:53<Dominus>ompaul: Works now. It asks me for my id_rsa key :)
16:53<devil>rather for the keyphrase?
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16:54<ompaul>Dominus: you now try log in from the local machine to the far machine and it should demand a password the one you used while making the key
16:54<Dominus>ompaul: Yes, it did :)
16:54<ompaul>Dominus: now, there is one possible issue
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16:54<ompaul>we may have broken your https
16:55<Dominus>ompaul
16:55<Dominus>ompaul: I can log into my box using the old ssh user@ip without a password now
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16:56<ompaul>Dominus: log out of that box 100%
16:56<Dominus>I have
16:56<bran>ompaul, Dominus: do not forget to disable interactive login for ssh after you are sure that key based access works.
16:56<Dominus>bran: how to do that?
16:56<ompaul>Dominus: now try to log in
16:56<ompaul>Dominus: report how it behaves
16:56<bran>Dominus: ompaul, is the teacher here let him explain
16:57<ompaul>bran: you'll have that task smartmachine man ;-)
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16:57<Dominus>ompaul: oooh. maybe it's because I've logged in once, then it remembers my key
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16:58<Dominus>ompaul: well. When I write (either) ssh -C (or just ssh) user@ip , it'll just log in
16:58<Dominus>without prompting for passphrase
16:58<Dominus>But the first time, right after creating the key, it asked me for the keygen passphrase
16:58<ompaul>good
16:58<Dominus>But it was not in the terminal, a Mac window popped up
16:58*ompaul gives up
16:58<Dominus>So I don't know if my mac remembers that password now
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16:59<Dominus>ompaul: noo! it's not wrong?
16:59<bran>Dominus: open a terminal on you mac
16:59<ompaul>bran: can you do the disable thing or else Dominus give me 10 min break
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16:59<Dominus>Okay :)
17:00<bran>ompaul: Are we sure he has keybased access? id=d so the disable should not be a problem, and i will lead him through it
17:01<Dominus>bran: we are. it did ask me for my passphrase password, from the keygen
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17:01<ompaul>Dominus: every time?
17:01<Dominus>ompaul: no..
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17:01<bran>Dominus: OK, I will go with that the. Give me sec
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17:02<ompaul>Dominus: then research if your mac learns and saves the password (not good if it does)
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17:02<ompaul>because it now detracts from has it learnt your password and not the password for the shared key
17:02<ompaul>and really I need to fix something back in a fwe
17:02<ompaul>few
17:04<bran>Dominus: are you sure that you have direct access and that it asks for your keygen passphrase?
17:04<nirvani>~.
17:05<Dominus>bran: It doesn't ask for my keygen passphrase anymore
17:05<bran>Dominus: If you are unsure then check you keyring and see if there is an entry for your remote box. if so remove them and login again using ssh
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17:06<bran>Dominus: it should no ask for the passphrase again
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17:07<bran>Dominus: you still there?
17:08<Dominus>bran: yeah, checking the keyring
17:08<bran>Dominus: OK, I will wait
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17:10<ComradeHaz`>Hi all, is there a way to mark a package that fails to configure on install as successfully installed nonetheless?
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17:10<ComradeHaz`>(with aptitude)
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17:12<bran>Dominus: nature call. BRB.
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17:14<bran>Dominus: back from checking if was still a boy. No surprises ;)
17:14<ompaul>Dominus: how do you control the "far away" box?
17:14<ompaul>Dominus: is it linode or some such?
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17:15<Dominus>Ok, I fucked up my keyring, so it will always give me the error "SecGenericPasswordCreate failed"... And now it asks me for my passphrase every time i log in
17:15<Dominus>keyring = apple keyring
17:15<Dominus>ompaul: what do you mean? How I control it? Via ssh
17:16<ompaul>Dominus: no, the question is, does it have a control panel, how do you fix it if you break it 100%?
17:16<bran>Dominus: keyring passphrase is not the same as ssh key passphrase. is that true?
17:16<Dominus>Oh. It's from Server4you, they have a panel. dont know if it's custom made or what it is
17:16<ompaul>thanks brb
17:17<bran>Dominus: you did not use the same passphrase for the ssh-keygen passpword as your keyring password
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17:17<ompaul>Dominus: please answer bran's question
17:17<Dominus>bran: problem before was, that my mac os x would save the ssh keygen passphrase in it. I accidently deleted a file in the keyrings files, and now it'll always ask me for the passphrase, with an error saying "SecGenericPasswordCreate failed" which is refering to a broken keyring
17:18<Dominus>bran: I did use the same passphrase for ssh-keygen as for the keyring
17:18<Dominus>the keyring password was not one I created. It was automatically saved on my mac
17:18<bran>Dominus: do not use the same passphrase. This is a no no.
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17:18<Dominus>I'm confused now
17:19<Dominus>I have not created a keyring password
17:19<ompaul>Dominus: I said in my key generation question: (this should not be your password for either box)
17:19<Dominus>What are you thinking about when you're saying keyring?
17:19<ompaul>or pointer
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17:19<bran>Dominus: Please fish your mac keyring. and remove your rsa id from your box. After you have done that create a new key and upload it. Use a different passphrase
17:20<ompaul>Dominus: NO passwords should be the same
17:20<Dominus>From the top: I have created an ssh-keygen. I used a password different from any other password I have..
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17:20<Dominus>My Mac Keyring came into this chat because the second time I logged in, it didn't ask me for my keygen passphrase, because my OS had saved it in a keyring on my computer
17:20<bran>Dominus: That sounds good.
17:21<bran>Dominus: What I am worried about is that your mac keyring is broken and now contains information that you do not want stored there
17:21<Dominus>Then I did a quick search and deleted a file.. Now it gives me an error every time I try to log in, due to the file I deleted being quite important for the mac keyring
17:21<Dominus>But! Now it hasn't saved my keygen passphrase, and my box asks for it every time I log on to it
17:21<ompaul>Dominus: you said early today that you wanted to learn stuff
17:22<bran>Dominus: Your remote box asks for the passphrase everytime you login to it?
17:23<ompaul>Dominus: can you actually stick with this that was a yes or no question
17:23<Dominus>bran: yes
17:23<Dominus>ompaul: yes aswell
17:23<ompaul>which pass phrase the one for the key that you generated, or the one for the box before
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17:24<ompaul>Dominus: and please be honest about this, you didn't use the same password for the box and the key did you?
17:24<bran>Dominus: That is good. So is a termianl on your mac: ssh user@myremotbox asks for the passphrase you used for ssh-keygen? Correct?
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17:24<Dominus>ompaul: No, I didn't
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17:25<ompaul>Dominus: thank you
17:25<Dominus>bran: Yes, correct
17:25<bran>Dominus: Good! That means we now have key based access.
17:25<bran>ompaul: do you concurr?
17:26<ompaul>I'd agree
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17:26<bran>Dominus, ompaul: we can now secure the access for interactive logins.
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17:26<ompaul>Dominus: next up you want to disable your ability to to log in
17:27<ompaul>Dominus: nUSING passwords except for the pass on the key :)
17:27<ompaul>Dominus: ok, su -
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17:28<Dominus>ok hold on
17:28<Dominus>I typed su -
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17:28<bran>Dominus: ompaul is giving instructions for lockdown
17:28<ompaul>Dominus: and it asked you for a password?
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17:29<Dominus>wait. I have to tell you
17:29<Dominus>something is wrong with that mac keyring
17:29<Dominus>it saves the password, without I tell it to
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17:30<bran>Dominus: replace mac keyring at your leasure. We are focussing on secure remote acces to a linux machine. Please do not con myself or ompaul with mac issues.
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17:30<Dominus>bran: it is an issue regarding this very much.
17:30<Dominus>Because when I try to connect to my box, it won't ask me for a passphrase
17:31<Dominus>it'll just log in right away
17:31<Dominus>And I think that is due to the mac keyring
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17:31<ompaul>Dominus: I'd concur
17:31<bran>Dominus: Me too.
17:31<ompaul> eknahm tell me this - can you sort out your connection elsewhere please?
17:32<bran>Dominus, ompaul: What are we trying to fix.
17:32<ompaul>bran: I have no interest in the mac
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17:32<ompaul>bran: I only have interest in a debian server
17:32<ml|>we are in #debian after all ;)
17:33<ompaul>ml|: ya don't say ;-)
17:33<ml|>hehe
17:33<ompaul>Dominus: basically there is a file called sshd_config in /etc/
17:33<bran>ompaul: I agree. mac keyring is not my problem or this channel's. I want to help Dominus
17:33<Dominus>No! Neither do I. That's why it annoys me like crap that when you say "Did it ask you for a password" it doesn't, because my mac (obviously) is interfering with the password and putting it in a keyring
17:33<bran>Dominus: I a willing to assist please bear with me
17:33<ompaul>Dominus: I'll tell you hjow to do this once
17:33<Dominus>ompaul: well, just proceed
17:34<bran>ompaul: your play
17:34<ompaul>Dominus: did you su - on the far machine?
17:34<Dominus>yes
17:34<ompaul>cd /etc
17:35<Dominus>yes
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17:35<Dominus>there is an sshd_config in /etc/ssh/
17:35<ompaul>nano sshd_config
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17:36<Dominus>ok
17:36<ompaul>find the line with PasswordAuthentication
17:36<ompaul>it should say
17:36<ompaul>PasswordAuthentication no
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17:37<ompaul>a bit further down PAMAuthenticationViaKBDInt no
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17:38<Dominus>There's only a "UsePAM"
17:38<ompaul>Dominus: now read this next line carefully and if you are happy you can then save and /etc/init.d/ssh restart
17:38<ompaul>hmm
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17:38<Dominus>and it's set to yes
17:38<ompaul>Dominus: lets make it no :)
17:38<Dominus>ok, done :)
17:39<ompaul>now read this carefully
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17:39<ompaul>you are now on your own, if you save and restart ssh and are locked out you have to rebuild the box you don't have another way in as you have locked down the keyboard
17:39<Dominus>Ok
17:39<Dominus>Well, thank you
17:39<ompaul>Dominus: result is - you will have to rebuild the box from start
17:40<bran>Dominus:
17:40<bran>Dominus: check the sshd_config
17:40<Dominus>what for?
17:40<bran>Dominus: make sure you understand what will happen
17:41<bran>Dominus: see ompaul's comment about reinstall
17:41<ompaul>you can't get in any other way, the only think you can use is the console
17:41<ompaul>you will have to reset the box and start from scratch
17:41<ompaul>Dominus: and you can go and talk to some mac people about your keyring I have no idea how the mac does anything
17:41*ompaul mutters thankfully
17:42<bran>Dominus: is there a PasswordAuthentication no line in youe sshd_config file?
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17:42<Dominus>bran: Yes, I just set that with ompaul
17:42<Dominus>ompaul: Okay. Thank you very much for your help. I will go ask some mac people, since my server isn't asking for passwords..
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17:43<ompaul>Dominus: it seems to have saved it
17:43<Dominus>ompaul: Yes, and I haven't asked it to, which annoys me.
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17:43<bran>Dominus: you should be able to deny the saving of a passphrase to the keyring
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17:43<ompaul>Dominus: the acid test is set up another user userfoo and then make sure you can't log in with a password
17:44<ompaul>Dominus: that is a mac item
17:44<bran>Dominus: ompaul's comment about asking mac people applies. Check with them about the keyring please.
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17:45<Dominus>ompaul: I'll try to create another user
17:45<ompaul>Dominus: I'll say what I said already in a around about way to you. Learn by all means but DO not make the internet less safe! pointing myphpadmin at the internet is asking to be taken out
17:45<ompaul>Dominus: and that is not for dinner ;-)
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17:45<ompaul>and now good night :)
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17:46<Dominus>should I always ssh -c?
17:46<bran>Dominus: We have tried to make your access secure. Understand that if this goes wrong a reinstall will be necessary. We will of course help you in that case. Restart the ssh deamoen on the remote box at your own risk. Add another user with a key and check if that works
17:47<Dominus>bran: Yes, thank you very much. Everything works as it should :)
17:47<Dominus>brb
17:47<bran>Dominus: have you restarted ssh?
17:47<Dominus>yes
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17:48<bran>Dominus: Add a user without a key and try to login. It should refurse
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18:16<warren>is there anying games i can put on ubuntu 8.1
18:16<dondelelcaro>warren: you want to talk to #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net
18:16<warren>got lots of games but there for windows
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18:19<jester45>!ubuntu
18:19<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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18:37<agnostic>dpkg: Is Debian better?
18:37<dpkg>agnostic: i haven't a clue
18:38<agnostic>strange, strange. test ubuntu ^^
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18:39<agnostic>ubuntu
18:40<retrospectacus>!sudosmite agnostic
18:40*dpkg takes a lump of 2x4 to agnostic and yells "This is not #ubuntu!!!1!"
18:41<agnostic>Ok i'm sorry. But can somebody please tell me advantages of debian?
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18:41<ComradeHaz`>agnostic: it's more free (as in the open source ethos)
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18:42<retrospectacus>!why debian
18:42<ComradeHaz`>It also does less stuff by taking liberties assuming it knows what you want. That may be construed as a bad thing for more novice users.
18:42<dpkg>Debian strives to maintain your freedom whilst also paying close attention to the technical aspects of making a great OS. Debian is stable, upgradable and well tested. See also http://www.debian.org/intro/free http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ (archived at http://wiki.debian.org/WhyDebian) http://www.aboutdebian.com/ . As an added bonus, you get to ask questions in #debian.
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18:43<toni>agnostic: its more stable, the core-system isnt that bloated, great community, can be rolling-release (if youre not using stable)... that are my reasons for dabian
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18:44<agnostic>thanks. I'll may be freaky like you in 4 years, but not know. I stay with my ubuntu :-)
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18:44<ComradeHaz`>agnostic: if you are totally new to linux and are after a desktop environment, my personal recommendation would be to try ubuntu (or kubuntu) for a few months and then try Debian and I reckon you will quickly grow to prefer it
18:45<ComradeHaz`>agnostic: that's the route I went down, anyway.
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18:46<jordanm>!tell agnostic about why debian
18:46<devil>i would not obfuscate anyones linux experience by recomendin ubuntu.
18:46<jordanm>oh, sorry
18:46<toni>agnostic: you havent to be a freak to use it, its just easy as ubuntu when you use the install with desktop. the only thing i think is, in german language, there is more documentation (wikis) for ubuntu than for debian
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18:47<ComradeHaz`>Used ubuntu for about 6 months then switched. Find Ubuntu limiting now because they hack things about and often when you think you've found the appropriate config file you find it doesn't change behaviours as you'd expect because there are community added, wierd and wonderful tweeks thrown in to make things 'easier' for the novice user.
18:47<toni>agnostic: i think, ubuntu is the best for absolute beginners, even my parents can use it ;)
18:47<retrospectacus>Debian was/is made by the Debian Community, which wants to make a free stable useful computer OS. Ubuntu is made by a company called Canonical that wants to make money.
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18:48<ComradeHaz`>And they keep stealing our toys!
18:48<ComradeHaz`>*hurumph*
18:48<retrospectacus>they sure do, except it's not really stealing because they are free
18:49-!-mode/#debian [+l 437] by debhelper
18:49<ComradeHaz`>Yeah, but they grudgingly respect copy-left
18:49<ComradeHaz`>If at all.
18:49<toni>ComradeHaz`: isnt that open source? everybody can take it and make his own version on base of it?
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18:49<retrospectacus>they try to put all the toys together and redesign some of them. It's ok, it's allowed.
18:49<toni>ComradeHaz`: i dont think its stealing. and debian hasnt any negative point out of that.
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18:50<ComradeHaz`>Sure, but that shouldn't be where it ends, they should then resubmit their changes to the community. Typically bad examples are TomTom and to a lesser extent (just) Google.
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18:50<agnostic>The reason for not swiching: Never change a running system
18:50<ComradeHaz`>That's what copy-left tries to stop.
18:50<toni>ComradeHaz`: do you want ubuntus hacks in debian?
18:51<ComradeHaz`>Oh, God no, toni!
18:51<toni>ComradeHaz`: hehe...
18:51<toni>ComradeHaz`: better they take it and give it NOT back to debian...
18:52<toni>agnostic: thats the point!
18:52<ComradeHaz`>Mind you, if we could just have that bit where it automagically detects what vido card one has and offers to install drivers that work with just 3 clicks I'd love it :D
18:52<agnostic>!why windows
18:52<toni>arg its so sad... i cant clearly say what i mean, only because of my bad english... i just hate this!
18:53<ComradeHaz`>agnostic: NOOOO! You'll break her!
18:53<ComradeHaz`>:D
18:53<jhutchins_lt>ComradeHaz`: Mine all just installed the right video card in the first place. No clicks required.
18:53<toni>:D why windows? oh my god!
18:53<ComradeHaz`>She's gone off looking for a reaon no!
18:53<ComradeHaz`>*now
18:53<ComradeHaz`>She'll be gone all night!
18:53<agnostic>what does dpkg mean?
18:53<toni>ComradeHaz`: but sometimes, its the fun in it... when its NOT working out of the box ;)
18:54<ComradeHaz`>sure, toni
18:54<ml|>dpkg: dpkg
18:54<dpkg>it has been said that dpkg is the program used by Debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". Also ask me about <reference>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>.
18:54<ComradeHaz`>Frankly, as a server, I think Debian is perfect.
18:54<toni>agnostic: dpkg basicly installs and configures packages
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18:54<ComradeHaz`>I am not totally sold on any linux boxes as desktops and I honestly don't know why
18:54<agnostic>crap, i should have known...
18:54<agnostic>i was confudes by "her"
18:55<agnostic>*confused
18:55<ComradeHaz`>dpkg: dpkgbot
18:55<dpkg>Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also ask me about <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. Ask me about <search dpkg>.
18:55<retrospectacus>I use Debian exclusively on my servers, in my workplace and at home, and on my laptop
18:55<toni>ComradeHaz`: i use debian as desktop on some notebooks... one of those will be a server sometimes. but i dont need a server :D
18:55<jhutchins_lt>ComradeHaz`: I've been running a linux desktop since 2004 without access to a windows machine.
18:55<ml|>yes, linux is fine for desktop use
18:56<ComradeHaz`>yeah, it's really odd, I have tried many times to make teh switch and I honestly don't know what my problem is, i just feel uncomfortable with KDE or gnome
18:56<toni>jhutchins_lt: so do i. linux-only since 2006. and i'm totally fine with it :)
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18:56<ComradeHaz`>I've tried many times to work out why I don't like it because I figure if I can work out what bothers me I can right it
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18:56<ComradeHaz`>but I just can't place what it is that ripes me.
18:56<toni>ComradeHaz`: then you have to use evilwm ;)
18:57<ComradeHaz`>evilwm?
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18:57<ComradeHaz`>Wondoze, you mean?
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18:57<amphi>ComradeHaz`: so do I; that's why I don't use them
18:57<toni>ComradeHaz`: a super-tiny windowmanager... i use it sometimes on my netbook to save monitor-space.
18:57<retrospectacus>!evilwm
18:57<dpkg>it has been said that evilwm is a borderless wm. extremely minimalistic (if you care about that kind of thing)
18:58<ComradeHaz`>Ahh, right.
18:58<retrospectacus>as opposed to
18:58<toni>ComradeHaz`: but i would not use it for every day... i love fluxbox since i use linux :)
18:58<retrospectacus>!evil
18:58<dpkg>it has been said that evil is closed, proprietary software
18:58<retrospectacus>;)
18:59<ComradeHaz`>Yeah, one of these days I will try again again again.
18:59<ComradeHaz`>I have a confession to make, thogh. :D
18:59<ComradeHaz`>I have Ub***u on my laptop :D
19:00<devil>bad bad ComradeHaz` :]
19:00<amphi>!kill ComradeHaz`
19:00*dpkg rips off ComradeHaz`'s balls with his teeth
19:00<ComradeHaz`>It would feel all wrong to use Ubuntu as a server though
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19:00<ml|>ouch
19:01<retrospectacus>!lart ComradeHaz`
19:01*dpkg does a little 'renice 20 -u ComradeHaz`'
19:01<ComradeHaz`>My home server had just under a year of uptime before I had to reboot it the other day because of a run-level issue
19:01<ComradeHaz`>It's cool to think machines can be stable for years on end like that
19:01<jhutchins_lt>I had an nt4/exchange server with multi-year uptime
19:02<ComradeHaz`>Oh, sure
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19:02<ComradeHaz`>But this is a machine in my house under my stairs :D
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19:02<nevyn>the longer the uptime the longer the box hasn't been patched.
19:02<ComradeHaz`>Weekly power outages etc etc
19:02<nevyn>(unless you're crazy enough to use ksplice
19:02<devil>:)
19:02<toni>folks, i have to sleep.
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19:03<ComradeHaz`>true nevyn.
19:03<jhutchins_lt>toni: You want we should keep it down to a dull roar then?
19:03<retrospectacus>toni, no. You have to stay up talking shooting the shit with us
19:03<toni>jhutchins_lt: sorry?
19:03<toni>jhutchins_lt: i didnt get that
19:03*ComradeHaz` sets toni's highlight sound to Rick Astly
19:03<ComradeHaz`>toni: toni toni toni: toni toni toni: toni toni toni: toni toni :D
19:05<toni>what does it mean, what jhutchins_lt said above?
19:05<retrospectacus>toni: he asked if you want us to keep the noise level quiet here
19:05<toni>aaahhh! i understand :D
19:06<retrospectacus>so you can sleep ;)
19:06<jhutchins_lt>toni: Humorously suggesting that we should keep quiet so that you can sleep.
19:06<toni>but no, thanks... my pc goes sleeping as i do ;)
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19:06<toni>cool joke anyway ;)
19:06<jhutchins_lt>toni: Unless you had a screen-reader it was a pretty silly offer anyway.
19:06<ComradeHaz`>lol you lot.
19:07<jhutchins_lt>toni: Admittedly, my upstairs PC does make a loud noise when anybody truncates my screenname here.
19:07<ComradeHaz`>jhutchins_lt: I found it funny ;)
19:07<toni>so, in germany its 1 oclock in the morning... ill go to bed now ;)
19:07<ComradeHaz`>jhutchins like this?
19:07<jhutchins_lt>Yup. Makes the cats jump.
19:07<ComradeHaz`>lol :D
19:07<ComradeHaz`>oooh, the temptation!
19:07<toni>have a good time everyone
19:08<ComradeHaz`>nn :)
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19:08<jhutchins_lt>tonsofpcs: vidersehen
19:08<jhutchins_lt>Gone.
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19:09<jhutchins_lt>ComradeHaz`: No fear, my PC has customized it's environment and responses since it was running DOS.
19:09<jhutchins_lt>ComradeHaz`: On a time-of-day basis that is.
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19:54<oddtod>is there a program that will allow me to scan windows drives for viruses?
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19:55<oddtod>I'm not worried about my debian box getting viruses but i have a mixed environment and want to scan network drives for viruses also.
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19:57<dondelelcaro>oddtod: see clamav or similar
19:58<dondelelcaro>oddtod: but most of the tools we use are designed for mail and similar interfaces
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19:58<oddtod>dondelelcaro: thank you thats what i'm currently using. I was just wondering if anything bette was out there. Ty
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20:10<rot13>how can i reinstall all locally broken packages forcefully? my dpkg is serously broken and i want it to just reinstall each and all broken packages over ontop of whatever broken files exist. at the moment it always tries to configure all broken packages but this always fails. stuck with no way to move on.
20:11<retrospectacus>rot13: try "apt-get -f install" and pastebin the output so we can see
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20:19<rot13>retrospectacus: http://pastebin.com/j39mjhLa http://pastebin.com/6bWypGRg
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20:24<rot13>every time i power off the device fsck will have something to complain. so unfortunately some dpkg files got lost or are just written incomplete and my efforts to reinstall those packages lead me nowhere near something stable so far :( i hope there is some way to say.. fetch these and their dependencies and just unpack and install it over whatever files there are.
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20:26<venom00ut>hello, is there a way to encrypt an already existent partition?
20:27<MeglaW>no
20:29<rot13>any ideas? suggestions?
20:29<venom00ut>:(
20:29<MeglaW>rot13: maybee you have a breewing hardware fault
20:30<MeglaW>venom00ut: i know, there is also no way to backup an entire active system
20:31<retrospectacus>looks like rough times at the rot13 household, sorry :(
20:31<venom00ut>MeglaW, so if I decide to encrypt a partition I've to make a brand new installation
20:32<MeglaW>pretty mutch yeah, i guess theres a system for saving configs but i donno
20:32<MeglaW>u could do it manualy
20:32<MeglaW>someone will tell you in a moment. ;)
20:34<abrotman>rot13: put your sources.list in a pastebin
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20:37<rot13>http://pastebin.com/BHqqBSeC
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20:40<abrotman>rot13: apt-get update ; apt-get dist-upgrade ?
20:41<rot13>will output the list of partially installed packages which will be configured and then the same errors
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20:41<venom00ut>does debian installer support dm-crypt?
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20:49<haggl>heyho, can anyone tell me why the /etc directory is world-readable by default?
20:49<abrotman>readable?
20:50<haggl>drwxr-xr-x 114 root root 4.0K Jan 5 01:42 etc/
20:50<abrotman>and?
20:50<haggl>for example /etc/network/interfaces holds network keys
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20:51<abrotman>on my system, that is not o+r
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20:51<abrotman>that file is not
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20:52<haggl>so i can safely say "chmod o-rx /etc"?
20:53<abrotman>uhm, no
20:53<abrotman>i didn't say that
20:54<haggl>hmm
20:54<rot13>haggl: some daemons and programs might need to read their own configs with dropped privs
20:54<rot13>just a guess
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20:54<haggl>ok
20:54<abrotman>or your user might want to read /etc/profile upon login ?
20:54<haggl>but i don't like the idea that everyone logged in to my system can read all configs
20:55<abrotman>they can't read all
20:55<haggl>?
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20:55<haggl>at least my standard user can
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20:56<haggl>ah, sorry. i misunderstood that statement
20:57<haggl>ok, so it's better to just pick the files with plain passwords and make them unreadable
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20:59<abrotman>your user can read all ?
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21:01<haggl>abrotman: no, i didn't get what you meant
21:01<haggl>abrotman: i haven't checked that
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21:01<haggl>abrotman: can you name an example for a non-readable file?
21:01<abrotman>i did ?
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21:03<haggl>aaah, /etc/sudoers has r--r-----
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21:06<abrotman>haggl: you could use find to look for those
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21:37<XayOn>nim l es
21:37<XayOn>oe
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22:03<chaospsychex>what in the world,no one is in #programming but me?!
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22:04<PhoenixGI>nobody actually programs anymore its all cut and paste from google
22:04*PhoenixGI runs and hides
22:05<Nemoder>Good coders copy. Great coders steal ;p
22:06<PhoenixGI>Didn't Zanga (or something like that) make that thier business model.. Steal from Popcap
22:07<elements1>zing
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22:21<user01>mmm javascript is working for me . . . dopostback and i have javascript enabled in firefox
22:21<user01>isnt working
22:21<user01>cant check my reservation
22:22<jordanm>you mean iceweasel?
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22:30<user01>jordanm, yep
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22:30<user01>jordanm, was in the firefox directory
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22:31<user01>iceweasel 3.0.6
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22:31<jordanm>user01: what is dopostback?
22:32<user01>jordanm, appears to be a javascript command
22:32<user01>jordanm, http://www.spirit.com/Default.aspx#myreservations
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22:33<jordanm>user01: you can try the iceweasel in backports if you think its an issue with the browser
22:33<jordanm>!tell user01 about bpo
22:34<jordanm>user01: judging by the URL, I need to be logged in to view a similar page
22:34<jordanm>(and I don't have that version of iw around anyways)
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22:35<user01>jordanm, well if you click on myreservations on the homepage it should go to the form
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22:36<jordanm>I can see the form?
22:36<jordanm>user01: just try the newer browser
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22:39<user01>jordanm, i thought maybe it was libmozjs1d issue
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22:40<user01>i see a libmozjs2d
22:40<user01>but i installed it as well and it still really didnt work
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22:42<ryan_>help
22:42<ryan_>...........
22:42<sney>!ask
22:42<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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22:45<abrotman>or not
22:46<bighornram>I have setup a VPN client on my lenny box. how ifconfig shows a ppp0 connection, how can I tell which connection an app is using, my vpn or routed eth0 interface? I am remotely connected via ssh
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